Well, he ain't wrong. A game should be focused around gameplay, who cares if it looks like shit or like a bootleg ps2 game? As long as it plays good it's fine.
"think about the user experience" That's our perspective, but from the company's perspective why would you publish only on steam for a loss of 30% of your profits when you could self-publish on your store for 100% of those sales. It's annoying for us but that's probably why they're doing it is simply because of that cost, its pretty steep.
You can say what you want about Bethesda/Creation-Engine Games....their gameplay is probably the worst out there. Only Story and endless freedom made up for it. Exactly the reason, Jim mentions that fact. And AAA-companies aren't too big to success, it is the other way around. They are too big to fail, that is why they can put out garbage on a regular basis, without failing.
How was Outer Worlds "SJW trash"? I mean i'm no SJW but any stretch of the imagination but i didn't see too much "SJW" stuff in the game. Parvati had her little side quest but i didn't see it as a bad thing really. Other than that i can't recall anything else. Is even the slightest mention of lesbian/gay stuff considered SJW stuff now? I mean it's not a big deal if there's gay characters or trans or whatever in games. I would consider it SJW if the characters are blatantly so to the point where the game is like "look at this character, look how trans they are! LOOK!" If they can present characters as trans or gay or whatever and not super focus on it then it's whatever. It feels natural that way. If they shove it down your throat and beat you over the head trying to emphasize how trans or gay they are then it's annoying and seems like pandering. A good example is Lorelei from Borderlands 3. Apparently a trans character but you wouldn't even know if you didnt listen to the echo logs and even then it's not made out to be a big deal.
These spergs like cutting themselves off from good content just because the developers don't exactly pander to their retarded political opinions that barely exist outside of Twitch chat and /pol/
Nommerz the only thing I could see was Pavarti is an asexual who gets into a relationship with another woman...whoopdie-fucking doo. The incels and right wingers have become the fragile snowflakes they accuse the SJWs of being.
@@stingerjohnny9951 lol thats pretty funny i never thought of it like they they really have lmao go fucking berserk and get butt hurt over stupid stuff like this
With just a little more polish I think I’d of called outer worlds as polished as I want but they still had some plot holes if you didn’t play to the story
Dude Epic owns Unreal Engine - you know the thing 70% of games use....... They were big before Fortnite and bigger after it.....and definitely bigger than Bethesda.... Epic has been around for a LONG time before Fortnite - they were always big.
I like Jim, but holy fuck, what a shit take. Outer Worlds was mediocre at best in every aspect. Settlement building in FO4 alone would make a better, deeper game.
Outer worlds isn't that good, only one good party member, writing is worse than New Vegas, Skyrim, and Fallout 3 (better than Fallout4 tho). I didn't like several of the systems, the random perks which were almost always negative, but then you skip one that you later realize would have been great to have a few hours later.
Asmongold being wrong about Epic being small before Fortnite is a classic example of his "I am never wrong" attitude. He moves the goal post and even then completely ignores Unreal Engine.
asmon is way smarter than people give him credit for. hes right about stream quality not improving the stream. look at tyler1 he rocks 15 dollar walmart headset.
Asmongold , Epic games are those who made Unreal Tournament 1998.... In my opinion , this game was the biggest game ever in high school. We had 1 and only 1 CD, we would all stay after school to share this cd and install it. Then we could all play togheter in the computer lab in LAN... Those were the good times. EPIC GAMES WAS BIG BEFORE FORTNITE, FORTNITE KILLED IT.
Combat has always been Bethesda's weakest element. Making a game where the combat is 90% of the game was a huge mistake on their part. Bethesda is good at world building and to an extent "lore" writing but that is about it. That also is really only the case for the ES series. They already had most of the world building and lore for FO in place when they bought the IP. FO76 was just a shameless attempt at a cashgrab.
The other side is - think about the Developers, the actual studios that put the games. You are basically saying "Fuck you - give 30% of the profit to Steam, so I am not MINOR inconvenienced".... So of course they would have their own platforms - especially for Indie games, Steam is death sentence. So much garbage on Steam with no one doing any quality control, Indie games get buried there...... Are we seriously complaining about having to spend 10 min to install a launcher?
Pretty damn high up there. Great gameplay, awesome scenery, very classic good orchestral music, solid multiplayer...At most it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but same can be said for any other arpgs.
Epic games was huge before fortnite. It's like saying Bethesda was nobody before Skyrim. Epic had the first 3 gears of war, that alone says most of what I need to hear.
A note on launchers. Steam is good for users and I'm comfortable using it, however last I checked they have poor patch speeds and a 30% revenue cut. Indie developers would definitely be affected by the revenue cut I would think.
not really, look, discord was cutting even less then epic but ask yourself why no one was going for it? with the 30% of steam (it's not only steam with 30% but ALL the digital distributions) within those money you have a lot of things as a developer and not only that, developers can get keys with no cut from steam to "give to people" that most of them sell them on reselling sites (that's why everyone cries about those sites but no dev actually goes after them) bottom line... as a tldr things are MORE complicated then "steam takes 30%" as for patch speed? when was the last time you used epic...
I can agree somewhat with Asmongold, but also disagree. A videogame needs both. Good gameplay, and good story. If you don't have good gameplay, then the game is gonna be shit. If you don't have good story, the game will be blank. Games with Good story > good gameplay: Are just not fun to play, if i play a game, i'm playing it most of the time. I'm not gonna listen to the story if the game is about as fun to play as staring at a chia pet grow. Good story < good gameplay: These games may be fun to play, but if they are blank, and you are just killing for the sake of killing stuff because there's nothing else to enrich you, then it's just bad.
To make an example. Good story < good gameplay game would be a World of Warcraft, but every quest in the game is either the same, boring or just badly made. Yes, the game is fun to play, but do you wanna play a good game with shitty quests and story? Don't think so. Good story > good gameplay game would probably be one of those really pretty walking simulators. Yes the story is great, but the game play is just walking from Point A to point B and do a minor puzzle.
@@piratczvojtapopovics There are countless examples of highly popular games that focus heavily on the gameplay with caring little to nothing about story, games that are regarded as some of the best ever in some cases. Mario is the prime example here I think, aside from the vary rare, minor thing like Rosalina's backstory in Mario Galaxy. Donkey Kong, Sonic, Kirby are other examples on the platformer genre, and most of the people I know that play Dark Souls almost religiously don't really give two craps about the story itself. At the end of the day, I don't think games need a story. Stories can be nice, and amazing stories can be told exactly because they are being told through video-games (Bioshock wouldn't work as well in any other medium), but one isn't anywhere near a requirement to make an amazing game.
It's too bad Obsidian's in bed with Microsoft now, despite Outer Worlds being a genuinely good game. Blizzard's in bed with the Chinese government now, too. Skyrim didn't really improve on much, and took out what made Oblivion good despite inherent level-scaling flaws in the latter. _Objectively_ speaking (and Jim Sterling more-often-than-not makes jokes involving that term), Bethesda Game Studios absolutely needs to take the development of TES6 very seriously; just as seriously as they did the development of TES3: Morrowind over 15 years ago. Bethesda's already-destroyed reputation means that they might as well go bankrupt if TES6 fails. ^ "New" photogrammetry technology won't be nearly enough. They need to actually put the "RPG" back in Action-RPG for TES6 to work; AND reintroduce elements that they unnecessarily took out to "streamline" Skyrim.
I don't see any reason for you to be said that obisidian become part of microsoft is bad in any shape or form since compare to epic, ea, activision, ubisoft, bethetic. Microsoft is way better.
@@oviiembem6302 Because Microsoft has already ruined competition from several franchises in favor of Halo by buying them out; including Minecraft & games by Rare. Maybe people wouldn't be complaining about Microsoft near as much if those developer studios didn't sell their properties to a company that obviously doesn't know what it's doing sometimes. ^ Not to mention the worst thing Microsoft has done was making certain games Xbox-exclusive when they clearly shouldn't have been.
@@whiteraven1992 "Because Microsoft has already ruined competition from several franchises" you sure you are not talking about EA? as for exclusivity... that is the most idiotic war... you have people that "oh this game is exclusive and shouldn't be" on the other corner "oh xbox have no exclusives" in another corner "its exclusive to the ecosystem not console itself" and so on
The TES series werent ARPGs until Oblivion. They where CRPGs. TES was known for being one of the last true RPG's like Baldur's Gate. Everyone moved to ARPGs because they are just easyer to develop. I like ARPG's but i want a CRPG, something that really use the word "RPG" to its fullest.
@@vyrenvygolo2429 CRPGs are no longer exclusive to computers, however (for 18 years now). "Action-RPG" is a relatively loose term that can be applied to any RPG that features more direct controlling of the character than just typing/selecting their next move from a menu. So even Arena & Daggerfall qualify, because of the manner in which both gameplay systems are handled in an open world. ^ Plus, having a "chance to hit" (or a "chance to fail at casting") doesn't change the fact that combat in all TES games is essentially real-time. Therefore, the vast majority of TES games have been ARPGs since Arena. The only ones that *aren't* ARPGs are Battlespire & Redguard.
It is funny people only talk about Fallout New Vegas instead of the game no one could play for MANY years known as... NEVER WINTERNIGHTS 2!!! Game required tech that didn't even exist yet to play it for a reasonable price. I had to get a computer powerful enough to play Fallout 4 with max graphics in order to play NWN2 and mess with the toolset with no frames lost. Not to mention they tore out the heart and soul of what made NWN made by Bioware a master piece(including all the fun classes and feats). Plus Fallout New Vegas was an unfinished broken game that was quite barren. When you really look at Obsidian's history it isn't one of professionalism. Also am I the only one that noticed after NWN2 the game series literally barreled off the nearest cliff and burned with each iteration of the game? Telling you it is the curse of Obsidian.
This guy does realize though that bethesda is mostly a publisher now...right? the shitty games they publish are created by developers from multiple different companies. There is some relevant criticism though. For years they've been trying a hostile takeover of Human Head Games, they finally succeded literally the day after their new game Rune 2 was released, they closed HHS, and formed a brand new company...under bethesda, with every single employee being hired by bethesda. They totally fucked Ragnarok, which is an indie publisher that had backed Rune 2, refused to give them the game files so that Ragnarok could continue development on it, it was a serious bit of absolute fuckery. However, this guy does ignore many of the great games that have come out under bethesda in the recent decade, the Prey reboot was phenominal, Wolfenstein minus youngblood has been awesome. DOOM! Doom has come out under bethesda, and almost no one can say that DOOM 2016 wasn't jaw droppingly amazing. Dishonored was a decent series too. If you look at their actual development studio, it's damn near a flawless record, except for F76. Outer Worlds was really fucking good, but it follows almost the exact same formula and if they weren't using Unreal Engine 4, you wouldn't really be able to tell that it wasn't the "Creation" Engine that BGS used. I think this guy that Asmon is watching is conflating the actions of Bethesda/Zenimax corporate, with their developers.
ya cant find Epic stock or quarterly reports because Epic is a private company. Also I agree that Epic was relatively small before Fortnite, GoW was more of a cult classic kinda game, and the Unreal games died out long ago. The only thing that Epic really had going for them was their Unreal engine, which if your talking about company scale would be completely seperate from their games division.
Bigger companies have hard deadlines. Due to stocks and the ppl at the round table. They will release a game and build on it because the fans stick around. Smaller developers dont always have those drawbacks.
that doesn't excuse them to release half bake games. Let say big car company release barely working car because they are "big company with more workers and share holders", do you think customers will give them pass because of that nonsense excuse? so why do we have to give leeway for game publisher/developer if other industry don't have such priviledge, it is just rational to subject every parts of global market with the same rules and common sense. Edit : Todd! Todd! Todd!
Maybe this is the Skyrim lover in me, but I do find it funny that a WOW player is talking about shit gameplay. Good reaction regardless though, he makes to very good points.
I think they both scaled in different ways. Oblivion made you pick how you would be OP and stick to it, classic rpg style. Skyrim just said "fuck it whatever you want, no limits" and personally I like the limits...I'm gonna go replay Oblivion
"Bethesda the farting horse corpse".... Never was a more accurate statement ever made. Also TES gameplay is bad..... TRUE DUDE! I've been playing TES since Morrowind and yeah the gameplay has always been shit rofl.
To be fair he's got a point. As someone who's sunk thousands of hours into Oblivion and Skyrim, the melee combat is absolute fucking dogshit in both games. Bows and Spellcasters are where it's at.
Andrevus Whitetail I actually agree with you though, but it’s just funny to me cause I really don’t find the combat of WoW to be any better. Maybe that’s just a personal issue I have. I’m like the weird minority who watches his content without actually liking WoW much from what I’ve played of the Starter Edition.
@@kyrendunord5249 That's really the problem, because the Starter Edition gives you about an 8th of the toolkit and combat options of the entire game, and that's generally not really enough to make it feel even remotely good.
@@kyrendunord5249 MMO gameplay is grindy and the combat looks about as exciting as Skyrim melee combat. On the other hand, the skill ceiling of WoW is so much absurdly higher than anything similar to Fallout that I can understand Asmon's derision.
A year later and Bethesda has now been bought out by Microsoft. Let's hope Microsoft has as much of a hands off approach to Bethesda games as they have had with games like Minecraft and we can really see what Todd and his team do with little restraints.
Also i have to agree with Asmon about the gameplay of recent Elder Scrolls games. I will say that Skyrim compared to Oblivion you will see an improvement but it still feels bad. At least using a bow feels good in Skyrim, especially if you're a stealth character.
gameplay in fallout was always not the greatest with the Bethesda games but it was the characters, side characters and story that carried them. it wasnt until 4 I felt fallout gameplay got better which is what made me so sad they couldnt just give us 4 with a better story instead of 76.
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"games should be focused around gameplay" dude, you've played wow classic, right?
Well, he ain't wrong. A game should be focused around gameplay, who cares if it looks like shit or like a bootleg ps2 game? As long as it plays good it's fine.
"think about the user experience"
That's our perspective, but from the company's perspective why would you publish only on steam for a loss of 30% of your profits when you could self-publish on your store for 100% of those sales. It's annoying for us but that's probably why they're doing it is simply because of that cost, its pretty steep.
You can say what you want about Bethesda/Creation-Engine Games....their gameplay is probably the worst out there.
Only Story and endless freedom made up for it.
Exactly the reason, Jim mentions that fact.
And AAA-companies aren't too big to success, it is the other way around.
They are too big to fail, that is why they can put out garbage on a regular basis, without failing.
How was Outer Worlds "SJW trash"? I mean i'm no SJW but any stretch of the imagination but i didn't see too much "SJW" stuff in the game. Parvati had her little side quest but i didn't see it as a bad thing really. Other than that i can't recall anything else. Is even the slightest mention of lesbian/gay stuff considered SJW stuff now?
I mean it's not a big deal if there's gay characters or trans or whatever in games. I would consider it SJW if the characters are blatantly so to the point where the game is like "look at this character, look how trans they are! LOOK!" If they can present characters as trans or gay or whatever and not super focus on it then it's whatever. It feels natural that way. If they shove it down your throat and beat you over the head trying to emphasize how trans or gay they are then it's annoying and seems like pandering.
A good example is Lorelei from Borderlands 3. Apparently a trans character but you wouldn't even know if you didnt listen to the echo logs and even then it's not made out to be a big deal.
These spergs like cutting themselves off from good content just because the developers don't exactly pander to their retarded political opinions that barely exist outside of Twitch chat and /pol/
Some people just like to screech about unimportant shit, I beat the outer worlds twice without ever encountering anything that relates to SJWs at all.
Nommerz the only thing I could see was Pavarti is an asexual who gets into a relationship with another woman...whoopdie-fucking doo. The incels and right wingers have become the fragile snowflakes they accuse the SJWs of being.
Criticism of capitalism = socialism = communism = SJWs... According to spergs.
@@stingerjohnny9951 lol thats pretty funny i never thought of it like they they really have lmao go fucking berserk and get butt hurt over stupid stuff like this
The punchline: Outerworlds is the lesser of two evil.
With just a little more polish I think I’d of called outer worlds as polished as I want but they still had some plot holes if you didn’t play to the story
Dude Epic owns Unreal Engine - you know the thing 70% of games use.......
They were big before Fortnite and bigger after it.....and definitely bigger than Bethesda....
Epic has been around for a LONG time before Fortnite - they were always big.
I like Jim, but holy fuck, what a shit take. Outer Worlds was mediocre at best in every aspect. Settlement building in FO4 alone would make a better, deeper game.
Outer worlds isn't that good, only one good party member, writing is worse than New Vegas, Skyrim, and Fallout 3 (better than Fallout4 tho). I didn't like several of the systems, the random perks which were almost always negative, but then you skip one that you later realize would have been great to have a few hours later.
30:02 @Assertonsin WTF D:
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Asmongold being wrong about Epic being small before Fortnite is a classic example of his "I am never wrong" attitude. He moves the goal post and even then completely ignores Unreal Engine.
okay
Obsidian is a Microsoft studio now.
Yeah, that's really too bad.
@@whiteraven1992 that's a good thing
@@berry212 Aside from getting an Xbox One version of a multi-platform game earlier than everyone else? How so?
@@whiteraven1992 They have funding, letting them build their own games without fearing of closing down?
Ha yes, just like Visceral-games were lucky to be owned by a shit-corporation as EA
Obsidian's so lucky to be owned by microsoft
Talks about playing an interactive movie then plays retail wow
asmon is way smarter than people give him credit for. hes right about stream quality not improving the stream. look at tyler1 he rocks 15 dollar walmart headset.
Well he destroys one every lost game, so ofc he only has cheep ones now
@@saen2755 yeah but the point is that his voice is so loud he can get away with it
Asmongold , Epic games are those who made Unreal Tournament 1998.... In my opinion , this game was the biggest game ever in high school. We had 1 and only 1 CD, we would all stay after school to share this cd and install it. Then we could all play togheter in the computer lab in LAN... Those were the good times. EPIC GAMES WAS BIG BEFORE FORTNITE, FORTNITE KILLED IT.
ayyy the power of ultra instinct
Combat has always been Bethesda's weakest element. Making a game where the combat is 90% of the game was a huge mistake on their part. Bethesda is good at world building and to an extent "lore" writing but that is about it. That also is really only the case for the ES series. They already had most of the world building and lore for FO in place when they bought the IP. FO76 was just a shameless attempt at a cashgrab.
The other side is - think about the Developers, the actual studios that put the games.
You are basically saying "Fuck you - give 30% of the profit to Steam, so I am not MINOR inconvenienced"....
So of course they would have their own platforms - especially for Indie games, Steam is death sentence. So much garbage on Steam with no one doing any quality control, Indie games get buried there......
Are we seriously complaining about having to spend 10 min to install a launcher?
Best ARPG: Monster Hunter world
Pretty damn high up there. Great gameplay, awesome scenery, very classic good orchestral music, solid multiplayer...At most it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but same can be said for any other arpgs.
Epic games was huge before fortnite. It's like saying Bethesda was nobody before Skyrim. Epic had the first 3 gears of war, that alone says most of what I need to hear.
A note on launchers. Steam is good for users and I'm comfortable using it, however last I checked they have poor patch speeds and a 30% revenue cut. Indie developers would definitely be affected by the revenue cut I would think.
not really, look, discord was cutting even less then epic but ask yourself why no one was going for it? with the 30% of steam (it's not only steam with 30% but ALL the digital distributions) within those money you have a lot of things as a developer and not only that, developers can get keys with no cut from steam to "give to people" that most of them sell them on reselling sites (that's why everyone cries about those sites but no dev actually goes after them)
bottom line... as a tldr things are MORE complicated then "steam takes 30%" as for patch speed? when was the last time you used epic...
Finally someone has some sense. Skyrim, Oblivion and Fallout gameplay is utter shit, the combat is so sluggish and unsatisfying.
I can agree somewhat with Asmongold, but also disagree.
A videogame needs both. Good gameplay, and good story.
If you don't have good gameplay, then the game is gonna be shit. If you don't have good story, the game will be blank.
Games with
Good story > good gameplay: Are just not fun to play, if i play a game, i'm playing it most of the time. I'm not gonna listen to the story if the game is about as fun to play as staring at a chia pet grow.
Good story < good gameplay: These games may be fun to play, but if they are blank, and you are just killing for the sake of killing stuff because there's nothing else to enrich you, then it's just bad.
To make an example.
Good story < good gameplay game would be a World of Warcraft, but every quest in the game is either the same, boring or just badly made.
Yes, the game is fun to play, but do you wanna play a good game with shitty quests and story? Don't think so.
Good story > good gameplay game would probably be one of those really pretty walking simulators. Yes the story is great, but the game play is just walking from Point A to point B and do a minor puzzle.
@@piratczvojtapopovics There are countless examples of highly popular games that focus heavily on the gameplay with caring little to nothing about story, games that are regarded as some of the best ever in some cases. Mario is the prime example here I think, aside from the vary rare, minor thing like Rosalina's backstory in Mario Galaxy. Donkey Kong, Sonic, Kirby are other examples on the platformer genre, and most of the people I know that play Dark Souls almost religiously don't really give two craps about the story itself.
At the end of the day, I don't think games need a story. Stories can be nice, and amazing stories can be told exactly because they are being told through video-games (Bioshock wouldn't work as well in any other medium), but one isn't anywhere near a requirement to make an amazing game.
The irony that Microsoft now owns both Obsidian and Bethesda.
Jim: "Bethesdur"
Asmongold: "Beth-estah"
lol i feel bad about asmon googling info on wikipedia
It's too bad Obsidian's in bed with Microsoft now, despite Outer Worlds being a genuinely good game. Blizzard's in bed with the Chinese government now, too.
Skyrim didn't really improve on much, and took out what made Oblivion good despite inherent level-scaling flaws in the latter. _Objectively_ speaking (and Jim Sterling more-often-than-not makes jokes involving that term), Bethesda Game Studios absolutely needs to take the development of TES6 very seriously; just as seriously as they did the development of TES3: Morrowind over 15 years ago. Bethesda's already-destroyed reputation means that they might as well go bankrupt if TES6 fails.
^
"New" photogrammetry technology won't be nearly enough. They need to actually put the "RPG" back in Action-RPG for TES6 to work; AND reintroduce elements that they unnecessarily took out to "streamline" Skyrim.
I don't see any reason for you to be said that obisidian become part of microsoft is bad in any shape or form since compare to epic, ea, activision, ubisoft, bethetic. Microsoft is way better.
@@oviiembem6302 Because Microsoft has already ruined competition from several franchises in favor of Halo by buying them out; including Minecraft & games by Rare. Maybe people wouldn't be complaining about Microsoft near as much if those developer studios didn't sell their properties to a company that obviously doesn't know what it's doing sometimes.
^
Not to mention the worst thing Microsoft has done was making certain games Xbox-exclusive when they clearly shouldn't have been.
@@whiteraven1992 "Because Microsoft has already ruined competition from several franchises"
you sure you are not talking about EA?
as for exclusivity... that is the most idiotic war... you have people that "oh this game is exclusive and shouldn't be" on the other corner "oh xbox have no exclusives" in another corner "its exclusive to the ecosystem not console itself" and so on
The TES series werent ARPGs until Oblivion. They where CRPGs. TES was known for being one of the last true RPG's like Baldur's Gate. Everyone moved to ARPGs because they are just easyer to develop. I like ARPG's but i want a CRPG, something that really use the word "RPG" to its fullest.
@@vyrenvygolo2429 CRPGs are no longer exclusive to computers, however (for 18 years now). "Action-RPG" is a relatively loose term that can be applied to any RPG that features more direct controlling of the character than just typing/selecting their next move from a menu. So even Arena & Daggerfall qualify, because of the manner in which both gameplay systems are handled in an open world.
^
Plus, having a "chance to hit" (or a "chance to fail at casting") doesn't change the fact that combat in all TES games is essentially real-time.
Therefore, the vast majority of TES games have been ARPGs since Arena. The only ones that *aren't* ARPGs are Battlespire & Redguard.
Unreal engine dude.......they're way bigger than you think......
Was kinda cringe him not realizing Epic made unreal engine
Distinct visual style trumps top tier graphics any day of the week imo
It is funny people only talk about Fallout New Vegas instead of the game no one could play for MANY years known as... NEVER WINTERNIGHTS 2!!! Game required tech that didn't even exist yet to play it for a reasonable price. I had to get a computer powerful enough to play Fallout 4 with max graphics in order to play NWN2 and mess with the toolset with no frames lost. Not to mention they tore out the heart and soul of what made NWN made by Bioware a master piece(including all the fun classes and feats). Plus Fallout New Vegas was an unfinished broken game that was quite barren. When you really look at Obsidian's history it isn't one of professionalism. Also am I the only one that noticed after NWN2 the game series literally barreled off the nearest cliff and burned with each iteration of the game? Telling you it is the curse of Obsidian.
This guy does realize though that bethesda is mostly a publisher now...right? the shitty games they publish are created by developers from multiple different companies. There is some relevant criticism though. For years they've been trying a hostile takeover of Human Head Games, they finally succeded literally the day after their new game Rune 2 was released, they closed HHS, and formed a brand new company...under bethesda, with every single employee being hired by bethesda. They totally fucked Ragnarok, which is an indie publisher that had backed Rune 2, refused to give them the game files so that Ragnarok could continue development on it, it was a serious bit of absolute fuckery.
However, this guy does ignore many of the great games that have come out under bethesda in the recent decade, the Prey reboot was phenominal, Wolfenstein minus youngblood has been awesome. DOOM! Doom has come out under bethesda, and almost no one can say that DOOM 2016 wasn't jaw droppingly amazing. Dishonored was a decent series too.
If you look at their actual development studio, it's damn near a flawless record, except for F76. Outer Worlds was really fucking good, but it follows almost the exact same formula and if they weren't using Unreal Engine 4, you wouldn't really be able to tell that it wasn't the "Creation" Engine that BGS used. I think this guy that Asmon is watching is conflating the actions of Bethesda/Zenimax corporate, with their developers.
I think Witcher 3 has its cake and eats it too
ya cant find Epic stock or quarterly reports because Epic is a private company. Also I agree that Epic was relatively small before Fortnite, GoW was more of a cult classic kinda game, and the Unreal games died out long ago. The only thing that Epic really had going for them was their Unreal engine, which if your talking about company scale would be completely seperate from their games division.
Where was Asmongold for Unreal Tournament and Gears of War? The Unreal Engine? Epic is fucking massive.
Bigger companies have hard deadlines. Due to stocks and the ppl at the round table. They will release a game and build on it because the fans stick around. Smaller developers dont always have those drawbacks.
that doesn't excuse them to release half bake games. Let say big car company release barely working car because they are "big company with more workers and share holders", do you think customers will give them pass because of that nonsense excuse? so why do we have to give leeway for game publisher/developer if other industry don't have such priviledge, it is just rational to subject every parts of global market with the same rules and common sense.
Edit : Todd! Todd! Todd!
Maybe they should find investors that care more about a solid product than return on investment... Pfffft, if only we lived in that world.
Maybe this is the Skyrim lover in me, but I do find it funny that a WOW player is talking about shit gameplay. Good reaction regardless though, he makes to very good points.
What happens asmon with this advice?
Oblivion was one of my all-time favourites. Though it is a lot better at around 12 years old...
Skyrim was all about archery or go home.
I think they both scaled in different ways. Oblivion made you pick how you would be OP and stick to it, classic rpg style. Skyrim just said "fuck it whatever you want, no limits" and personally I like the limits...I'm gonna go replay Oblivion
He looks like AOC in the thumbnail with that smile.
If you bought the pass you deserved you’re items getting deleted ahaha
let me just say we do not aim like that in eu nor do we play with a controller
man asmongold is bad at searching for things on google...
Almost looked like my fake name
Shit that was inspirational
Gabe owns you
better then CCP
"Bethesda the farting horse corpse".... Never was a more accurate statement ever made.
Also TES gameplay is bad..... TRUE DUDE! I've been playing TES since Morrowind and yeah the gameplay has always been shit rofl.
combat system not working download mods done
Yeah! Why develop a game when you can employ unpaid labor?
Imagine bashing the gameplay of these games. This guy plays WOW for god’s sake
To be fair he's got a point. As someone who's sunk thousands of hours into Oblivion and Skyrim, the melee combat is absolute fucking dogshit in both games. Bows and Spellcasters are where it's at.
Andrevus Whitetail I actually agree with you though, but it’s just funny to me cause I really don’t find the combat of WoW to be any better. Maybe that’s just a personal issue I have. I’m like the weird minority who watches his content without actually liking WoW much from what I’ve played of the Starter Edition.
@@kyrendunord5249 That's really the problem, because the Starter Edition gives you about an 8th of the toolkit and combat options of the entire game, and that's generally not really enough to make it feel even remotely good.
@@kyrendunord5249 MMO gameplay is grindy and the combat looks about as exciting as Skyrim melee combat. On the other hand, the skill ceiling of WoW is so much absurdly higher than anything similar to Fallout that I can understand Asmon's derision.
If you only like graphics, then watch a movie. Games are based on gameplay.
Watching this in May 2021 and seeing the chat praise CDPR for being better is absolutely hilarious to me.
I have a few games there I've yet to play because I refuse to install uplay.
A year later and Bethesda has now been bought out by Microsoft. Let's hope Microsoft has as much of a hands off approach to Bethesda games as they have had with games like Minecraft and we can really see what Todd and his team do with little restraints.
Lol if you think Epic is a small company before Fortnite you're delusional.
Also i have to agree with Asmon about the gameplay of recent Elder Scrolls games. I will say that Skyrim compared to Oblivion you will see an improvement but it still feels bad. At least using a bow feels good in Skyrim, especially if you're a stealth character.
The only improvement i see in Skyrim over Oblivion is dual wielding in melee combat. It's not that big.
@@AndrevusWhitetail And animations, character's heads not looking like potatoes, graphics...
@Dou Rikeit Big true
Epic made unreal engine lol
Aye. Epic weren't small nor poor prior to fortnight. People seem to think game engines a free. They take a fee out of every game developed out of it.
gameplay in fallout was always not the greatest with the Bethesda games but it was the characters, side characters and story that carried them. it wasnt until 4 I felt fallout gameplay got better which is what made me so sad they couldnt just give us 4 with a better story instead of 76.