Should We All Be Driving Hydrogen Cars? YES if They're All Like the Toyota Mirai

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  • @701983
    @701983 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @02:17: You could have mentioned the "H2O"-button.
    The mentioned purging of the system can also be started by pressing this button. Before driving into the garage.

  • @panterrage123
    @panterrage123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We had a Honda Clarity hydrogen fuel cell car and it was frankly a terrible experience. The hydrogen cars are fine but the hydrogen fueling infrastructure is absolutely terrible in california. There are constantly supply issues in Northern California and since many hydrogen fueling stations have only one or two nozzles, if the station goes down or runs out of hydrogen, you have to move onto the next station. If you look at the hydrogen fueling station map in NCAL, it looks robust until you see how many stations are off line because they are out of hydrogen or not working. We also had a situation when we had an explosion at the Santa Clara hydrogen fuel production plant and I could not use the car x 5 months. Toyota was kind enough to provide a gasoline loaner but my Honda was in the garage x 5 months. Since the infrastructure was so unreliable, I would "fuel" my car every 150 miles even though the range was 300 miles. Hydrogen works if you are not commuting far or doing 10 to 20 miles a day, but it really is unrealistic if you are doing more than 70 miles/day. It's unrealistic at least in california to continue to add hydrogen cars without expanding the fueling infrastructure. This comment is really not a knock against the car but the hydrogen fueling infrastructure... especially when hydrogen is trying to compete with electric vehicles that can be charged at home or and Electrify America or Tesla Supercharger. Unless the hydrogen fueling infrastructure improves, I really don't see a future in hydrogen fuel cell cars as zero emission solution for the masses.

  • @mannythegoodguy
    @mannythegoodguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you very much for testing Toyota Mirai. Heard a lot about it’s success in California. Excellent replacement for EVs. No range anxiety. Can’t wait for its launch in Ontario. Toyota bring in Mirai to Ontario.

    • @pedrohizzle2835
      @pedrohizzle2835 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it has range anxiety. It only gets 250 miles range

    • @701983
      @701983 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pedrohizzle2835 It's around 400 miles (650 km) nominal range (WLTP, EPA).
      If there is a reason for range anxiety, it's the lack of working hydrogen stations.

  • @A3A4Tom
    @A3A4Tom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Toyota CEO is right. Hydrogen and hybrids are the future. I will never ever bother to consider anything full EV. But if hydrogen is viable, this will be the one.In the meantime, I will drive my current gas-powered Civics into the ground with me.

    • @brushlessmotoring
      @brushlessmotoring ปีที่แล้ว

      And that is exactly what Toyota and Oil and Gas wanted you to think and say. The goal of Hydrogen is not to get you into a zero emission green hydrogen car, at 60 cents per mile, it's to keep you out of a 5 cent per mile EV (OC-CA prices, highway speed efficiency) that you can add 50 miles a night to at home or work using existing sockets.
      The real goal of hydrogen is to distract and delay decarbonization, keep gasoline combustion engines and sales going strong by promising the moon tomorrow, clean, abundant, cheap, but have you stick with your gas car today while hydrogen remains dirty, sparse and expensive.
      Job done.
      Akio Toyoda is extremely pleased with how his hydrogen program has worked out, all 60,000 units world wide over 10 years, it was never about selling millions of hydrogen cars, it was about continuing to sell millions of "self charging hybrids" - i.e. gas cars.
      If they were genuine about adding a new fuel type to the world, they would have built filling stations for them like Tesla has.

    • @vancity2349
      @vancity2349 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hydrogen and Hybrids funny.....

  • @enricio
    @enricio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Last year someone in the automotive business in The Netherlands told me hydrogen would be the future, in 2030. 🤔😎

  • @mannythegoodguy
    @mannythegoodguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for testing Toyota Mirai. Heard a lot about it. It is has been sold in California for a long time now. Too bad we can’t get it here in Ontario. This is the future. Clean for environment, no mineral mining, no range anxiety excellent replacement for combustion engine with approximate 3 to 5 minutes filling hydrogen and then carry on to your journey. Toyota if you listening please bring Toyota Mirai to Ontario. Let’s get the infrastructure in. Love it 👍👍.

    • @701983
      @701983 ปีที่แล้ว

      Platinum mining for the fuel cells, very dirty neodymium mining in china for the electric motor, besides the Li-Ion-battery, which is of course very small (1.24 kWh).
      Very energy intense production of the carbon fiber enforced hydrogen tanks.
      And if you'd produce the hydrogen by electrolyzis of water by electricity from wind or solar power, you need much more resources for electricity production, since you need about 3 times the electricity of a comparable battery electric car.
      This technology has its upsides of course, but "clean hydrogen car" instead of "dirty battery car" is non of them.
      Besides mainly dirty hydrogen production today (from coal and natural gas).

    • @dextersayson2813
      @dextersayson2813 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you use renewable electricity and water 💦 is 100% green hydrogen. Although it uses 3 times electricity than EV it is %100 clean vehicle. If you use biomass the carbon intensity is negative 300. EV has a carbon intensity of around 100, so is not actually zero emissions.

  • @dhavalbrahmbhatt2629
    @dhavalbrahmbhatt2629 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for the review. I have a 2021 (new design) Mirai. The problem is H2 here costs $36/kg!!!
    So it is 3× the cost/mile to gas car.

  • @kajamarimedas8982
    @kajamarimedas8982 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great✌️✌️Love this and want this car🤩

  • @willielam3581
    @willielam3581 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fuel Cell application for larger truck or tractor trailer where they have room to store the hydrogen tank, for sedan or SUV it is not going to work as you only have very limited room for cargo and passenger.

  • @toronado455
    @toronado455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Since you asked, what I think is if Toyota wants to sell a lot of these FCHVs, they should be making compact SUVs, not sedans.

    • @EverydayReviews2022
      @EverydayReviews2022  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. I always wondered why Genesis started with a full size sedan before an SUV when that’s what most people are buying.

    • @toronado455
      @toronado455 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EverydayReviews2022 Yes, the Genesis brand was slow/late to the SUV party. However, recall that the Genesis sedan itself started out as a premium luxury sedan from Hyundai in 2008 when sedans were still quite relevant. So it made more sense at the time.

    • @toronado455
      @toronado455 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordanbrown7403 Interesting. I didn't know that. Toyota does have ties with BMW already (Supra).

  • @paulm6481
    @paulm6481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The problem is hydrogen refueling stations are even harder to setup than electric grid charging places. This is just a pipe dream.

  • @youngpham9609
    @youngpham9609 ปีที่แล้ว

    I Wish someone can analyze more realitic detail of the breakdown cost for Mirai. I am in California. One engineer in my group bought a 2022 Mirai. This is his 3rd vehicle. He has an old Bmw X5 and a model Y Tesla.
    He said buyer got right away a discount of $20k and a hydrogen refill card of $15k.
    And how easy to look for hydrogen refill stations? Are they easy to locate?
    Is it easy to look for help when you have problems on the road with the Mirai? Especially when you drive long distance. Probably you have to tow it into the dealer? Make sure you pay good premium insurance to cover the tow and car rental.
    The engineer loves the Mirai when he drives local for groceries and taking kids to school. He has 2 backups. It's nice to experience new technologies to save something.
    I did drive the Mirai borrowed from the engineer in my group. It's very smooth and beautiful. Somehow I still love my gas car Honda Accord which I bought brand new more than 10 years ago. It has almost never disappointed me. Maybe I have been taking pretty good care of it.
    New cars always have comfort but cost breakdown and the availability of tech support are not less important.
    Of course the Mirai is awesome to drive.

  • @htspringhiker
    @htspringhiker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Look forward to your drive of the 2023 Hyundai Nexo for comparison, luckily in the lower mainland we have sufficient hydrogen fueling stations. And to those harping about gas stations, have you tried fueling a car in downtown Vancouver? Esso at Burrard &Davie, otherwise SOL.

    • @EverydayReviews2022
      @EverydayReviews2022  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The whole concept seems to make sense and ticks so many box’s other than the filling.

  • @dalebrown6460
    @dalebrown6460 ปีที่แล้ว

    The answer is YES! Simple as that!

  • @sances4299
    @sances4299 ปีที่แล้ว

    How i can travell from long Beech to Sanjose ca. I-5 where can i refill hydrogen fuel.What city to fill it up please.

  • @petergazarek9466
    @petergazarek9466 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    TOYOTA MIRAI 😎👍 PERFECT CAR

  • @azaz911c
    @azaz911c 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    VHS or Beta? EV or hydrogen? Can the market support both, or can only one emerge? I would hope both technologies can coexist so that consumers can choose one that best meets their needs and locality. For example, EVs may suit drivers in very densely populated urban areas with short commutes and lots of charging infrastructure, whereas hydrogen may suit people in smaller urban centers or suburbs, or who have longer commutes, and prefer to use a refueling station like a gas station. My biggest concern with EVs is the eventual need to replace or service the battery pack, which seems to be cost prohibitive for those who like to keep their cars for as long as possible (over a decade).

    • @brushlessmotoring
      @brushlessmotoring ปีที่แล้ว

      Whats the replacement cycle on the Fuel Cell or 10,000 PSI tanks and interconnects - and the hybrid battery in the Fuel Cell? Any idea on costs there?
      EVs batteries are outlasting the cars they live in, with the exception of early 24kWh Nissan Leafs that had no thermal management for hot climates.

  • @saltydogg
    @saltydogg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    $14.00 per kg is equivalent to $1.38 per liter for gasoline. HTEC is selling hydrogen for 12.75 per kilogram equivalent to $1.25 per liter for gasoline.

  • @wzeng193
    @wzeng193 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    terrible experiences to add hydrogen, the hydrogen stations around me (usually 10 miles away) has been always down, one has been down for 4 months. The other I waited 30 min today without hydrogen or station error. The hydrogen price is twice or even triple the price of gas.

  • @sances4299
    @sances4299 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shall i go c/o HW 101 from long beech to SFO. Need fuel for my Mirai please

  • @acche-rc
    @acche-rc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the car and the self parking feature looks awesome. Now just make it non hydrogen so we can actually buy it! Thx

    • @EverydayReviews2022
      @EverydayReviews2022  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      👍

    • @acche-rc
      @acche-rc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EverydayReviews2022 would you consider doing a review of hydrogen stations in the lower mainland?

    • @EverydayReviews2022
      @EverydayReviews2022  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@acche-rc I could but it would be a pretty limited market.

    • @brushlessmotoring
      @brushlessmotoring ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EverydayReviews2022 would you consider interviewing HTEC and asking them:
      1) What is their electrolysis capacity in kg/day.
      2) What percentage of hydrogen sold in BC is from fossil fuels.
      3) Where are their other elecrolyzer projects being built, timelines and capacities ?
      4) Do they run their electolyzers intermittently to avoid fossil fuel generated electricity in BC Hydro's supply chain (overnight I believe)
      5) Are they supplying the Oil and Gas industry with Green hydrogen to abate the fossil hydrogen used in refining gasoline?
      Because their FAQ has this doozey in it, and it raises more questions than it answers, and it's been this way for years.
      "Where does the hydrogen come from for the BC station network?"
      "Today, HTEC uses locally produced hydrogen made by electrolysis with electricity from the BC or Quebec grid. In the event this supply is unavailable, HTEC purchases hydrogen made from natural gas using steam methane reforming. HTEC is building multiple hydrogen production facilities in BC to make hydrogen via electrolysis using low carbon intensity hydroelectricity."

  • @BTC909
    @BTC909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hydrogen Packaging issues. Example, that trunk doesn't have a passthrough. This is a fairly large sedan. 50K+ US would be the norm. $80+ in the US to fill one of these once that fuel card runs out. Pumps at stations tend to fail often. A lot of electricity is required to produce Hydrogen. If you were looking to get away from a taxable fuel source, nawh this is just like gas and diesel. Good luck finding a dealer who can work on that fuel cell stack. This tech only makes sense in busses, semi's, large vehicles.

  • @brushlessmotoring
    @brushlessmotoring ปีที่แล้ว

    That is a slick auto park - can you make it more snug to the curb on narrower streets?
    Fleets will not buy a $2.5 million dollar hydrogen filling station, taking up a ton of space and needing servicing all of it's own, only to pay over gasoline costs to have it filled up with green hydrogen by delivery truck - there it no return on investment - ever.
    More likely is they will overbuy some EVs, mixed with their existing gasoline fleet (as it ages out) and have them depot or opportunity charge, you grab the most charged EV (or the one with enough range for your job) and save a fortune in gasoline from day 1 with a much lower cost to slowly build out AC overnight charging.
    Speaking of Vancouver's Ballard Power Systems, I wish they would switch to batteries and refit their bus, the founders original focus was in fact lithium ion batteries, and his goal was to provide an alternative to burning gasoline - but looking at your comment section, a common theme is that "future hydrogen" is often used as an excuse to stick with gasoline, and that would probably have Geoffrey Ballard turning in his grave - he never got to see the dramatic reduction in battery costs from 2010 to 2020 that would have probably reversed his 1989 decision to switch to fuel cells (source: Wikipedia) - they may need an external consulting firm to point out the sunk cost fallacy they are still labouring under.

  • @savagefrieze4675
    @savagefrieze4675 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want a hydrogen Tacoma

  • @jeffnesbitt1168
    @jeffnesbitt1168 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is what we should be striving for, not battery electric

  • @michaelcottenden3216
    @michaelcottenden3216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hydrogen may have a place in the commercial space. The creation and distribution of hydrogen to meet the needs of consumer car owners is a major issue. Might be a great vehicle, but so what. Dream on.

    • @michaelcottenden3216
      @michaelcottenden3216 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Further to my comments. While hydrogen is abundant, it is obtained by splitting it out of water (H2O) or methane (CH4). Today the only way to do that at scale is using a fossil fuel. This is a great presentation on the current status of hydrogen if anyone is interested
      th-cam.com/video/Zklo4Z1SqkE/w-d-xo.html

  • @BlackJeepConvertible
    @BlackJeepConvertible 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s OK is it Toyotas does it, but if I do it, I will get killed

  • @torjusekkje6264
    @torjusekkje6264 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coming up next week Nuclear car

  • @DavidSimpsonJr973
    @DavidSimpsonJr973 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see many people commenting are either EVorNothing or not open minded enough to listen to him. I doubt there is enough lithium in the world to make every car on the road fully electric anyway. Consumers and politicians will find out eventually anyway.

    • @701983
      @701983 ปีที่แล้ว

      " I doubt there is enough lithium in the world..."
      Then why not use another element? CATL already started mass production of sodium-ion-batteries with an already decent energy density. They are already good enough for electric cars, if you don't want to crush range records.

  • @ezingles698
    @ezingles698 ปีที่แล้ว

    Depreciation and expensive car 🚗 insurance as well as hydrogen very expensive...3 strikes and your out! 😮😅

  • @shawnnorth601
    @shawnnorth601 ปีที่แล้ว

    Battery EVs are only part of the solution to limit greenhouse gas emissions. Hydrogen fuel Cell technology makes the best sense in Canada, especially with the vast distances to transport goods. Please continue to provide reviews and news on FCs.

    • @Gunalizer
      @Gunalizer ปีที่แล้ว

      It's all "climate" fraud. There is no problem that anyone needs to worry about limiting "greenhouse gas emissions" that society can change. It was warmer in the past with a less populated earth.

  • @humgarchaun
    @humgarchaun ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👎Forget it people 😞 hydrogen fuel is extremely expensive 😢 I have a Mirai but the hydrogen fuel unit price went up 100% in the past 10 months 💔 from $13 to $26 👎

    • @francoisgirard2306
      @francoisgirard2306 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same with electricity, it will double when everybody have an electric véhicule

    • @humgarchaun
      @humgarchaun ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@francoisgirard2306 you are right 😔

  • @markmayfield5673
    @markmayfield5673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is itApril fool's day already

  • @saiya25
    @saiya25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If we had the infrastructures i would take this technology over EV, cost as much as an ICE car to fill but at least its waaaayyy greener then gas and EV. I can't provide proof as i heard it on the radio, but EV battery production creates the same pollution as an ICE would produce if driven for 7 years, meaning an EV car need to be driven for more than 7 years to start doing less pollution than an ICE, its completly ridiculous! Driving greener should not even be a reason to justify buying an EV. By the way, why everybody jump in the EV production and not in the Hydrogen car production? what is the reason they all went crazy on EV? Now that they all invested so much money on EV technology, no car manufacturer will just flip a switch and decide to invest in Hydrogen, in the end its all about money and not what is the best lol
    This is an info i just read and i hope it means they are starting to build a futur infrastructure for hydrogen use. This support what you said about using hydrogen in the most polluted sectors like city fleets.
    " The Québec Green Hydrogen and Bioenergy Strategy has the purpose of creating a coherent framework and a favourable environment to accelerate the production, distribution and use of green hydrogen and bioenergy.
    These energy sectors can provide solutions to replace fossil fuels and reduce GHG emissions, even in the most polluting sectors of activity, such as transportation and industry."

  • @beeslandscaping
    @beeslandscaping 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would buy one over electric plug in any day

  • @vancity2349
    @vancity2349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No it will never work. Where are filming this from? Extremely dangerous in an accident. There is no infrastructure, who will build and pay for that? You will never be able to fill at home.

    • @EverydayReviews2022
      @EverydayReviews2022  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is it expensive to add hydrogen to a filling station? Maybe not filling at home but people don’t usually fill their gas vehicles at home either and not everyone can charge an EV where they live either. I wouldn’t say never, maybe not in the near future😀

    • @beeslandscaping
      @beeslandscaping 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Watch the video how it’s reinforced the tank

    • @vancity2349
      @vancity2349 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EverydayReviews2022 I

    • @vancity2349
      @vancity2349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@EverydayReviews2022 I have to respectfully disagree. The car is beautiful but there are virtually no hydrogen filling stations. Most people, do charge EV's at home, although current multi family buildings dont offer it but can be retrofitted and that work has begun. Tesla Superchargers can go to 90% charge in approx. 25 minutes. The electrical infrastructure is everywhere, they are even electrifying the german Autobahn. Electrical poles are everywhere, its here and available now. There are alot of anti EV haters especially at Telsa which I don't understand. I have owned many Japanese ice cars, toyota nissan (still have a titan truck to pull our boat) and lexus and loved them. However the world is changing to EV and many of those brands, Toyota (biggest debted company in the world today) Nissan Honda and Mazda have been arrogant and stubborn to change and are in serious trouble, the disruption had started. Toyota needs to forget about Hydrogen and other crazy ideas. They are far behind and need to move quickly. The Prius as a Hybrid is great but that wont help them when new ice engine sales are forbidden. They recently had a change of top management at Toyota. Lets hope its for the right reasons...

    • @brushlessmotoring
      @brushlessmotoring ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vancity2349 correct.

  • @paulm6481
    @paulm6481 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This car and technology may be why Toyota just changed chairmen. All that investment in hydrogen when the whole world is moving to electrics, and Toyota is way way behind in electric movement and investment. What a waste.

  • @deroxanlit4181
    @deroxanlit4181 ปีที่แล้ว

    Toyota Mira is absolutely garbage! I drove it! I’m
    Not hating on hydrogen but they still have a very long way to go! Japan economy is going down hill.They won’t be able to keep up. You don’t believe me ask yourself what happen to Japanese brand like Sony, Panasonic, sharp and other brand