Americans: Get FSD v13.2 Europeans: Cry in Enhanced Autopilot ( because Full FSD is not worth getting in Europe… even the most hardcore Tesla Fanboys tell you to not buy FSD)
Even enhanced autopilot isnt worth getting. It litteraly offers nothing. I hardly use the regular autopilot on my Model 3, only when driving through a construction site with 80 kmh where i can stay in one lane or i have to eat.. EAP is litteraly not helping with anything. And since Elon said they are working on FSD in Europe in 2025, we will most likely get it in 2035...
@ yeah I also dont think we will get FSD anytime soon in Europe, and Tesla will continue to fall behind when it comes to Driver Assistance in Europe… they Might do great in America and China, but unless they change their Strategy and actually just adapt Autopilot for Europe instead of forcing FSD here, I feel like Tesla will have a hard time in the future in Europe… Down 26 % sales in Germany this year so far, and because of that, Overall Down in Sales in Europe… I mean I get it, software engineers are expensive, thats why they just want to import their US system into Europe, but I don‘t think that will happen anytime soon, where they can just take that system and plop it down here in Europe without big Changes!
I disagree. I only ever invested in TSLA, 100% of portfolio. After doing so, and buying the car, I wanted to meet Elon in person, so I applied for and got hired at Giga Texas. I met Elon in person. If that's not hardcore, I do not know what is. That said, I've since exited as an employee, and I can tell you: BUY FSD NOW, WHILE YOU CAN AFFORD IT. It makes zero sense after the price is more than doubled a year from now when Robotaxi is released, to buy it - just pay for the subscription at that point. However, the software will get better exponentially. No one, (not Waymo, not anyone) has billions of miles of data in their neural net, and Tesla will win autonomy. Meaning: if you can get pure profit from your personal autonomous taxi passive income, buy the program "unlocked" now.
We have seen FSD 13.2 in USA and it looks amazing. The European one is limited by so many rules and regulations, so it is super cut back. I am in UK and want the laws to be updated to allow us the option of FSD proper. So far I do not believe it is worth FSD in any guise in Europe.
You're right on the money. Even if they just put the FSD code in, but limited it by the regulations, it would be great. But we're running years old software at this point which is getting more and more outdated. Hopefully the main reason is that it's just not gonna matter in a couple of months and FSD will be released worldwide, full feature.
@@robotinreallife For example , here in Europe Summon function is limited to ... 6 meters. Ridiculous and useless ! I'm so angry about all these regulations damnit.
Hahah yeah in the latest video we have tested the Actually Smart Summon ourselves and the result is more than funny: th-cam.com/video/4djSGHZxzt4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mixjtb5c_tmaKnk2
Yea does not help that tesla tried to hide autopilot caused incidents does it. People in the US died using it, yes you will respond saying "well you are supposed to be always active and hand on wheel" sadly humans don't always abide to it. And autopilot in some incidents just like full on just crashed by itself in matter of seconds. But regulation is easing up with time nonetheless.
Autopilot in Europe has been at a standstill for the past 3 years. It's definitely not worth getting for the current state it's in. Just use the included lane assist. It will do 90% of the job either way. HOWEVER, I've heard that in 2025 there will be some changes in the EU's regulations on self driving vehicles and also driverless vehicles, which could finally bring all the nice things we see Teslas have in America, here to Europe. So if this is likely maybe it would be worth investing in, seeing what it can already do when unrestricted.
@@robotinreallife Switzerland will allow level 3 and level 4 autonomy starting in March 2025. Let's hope the EU follows ASAP, as this would open the door to FSD being implemented in most markets across Europe
Although not intentional (by the government), I think fsd might take 3-4x longer to impliment in europe. for many reasons even ignoring regulations. Another thing to think about is that while a lot of europe might have great infrustructure, the UK has some of the worst roads imaginable. Completely unmarked. Big potholes. Pedestrians can walk out at any time. Cars parked on both sides of a tiny road. 60mph tiny roads, meaning a 120mph head on collision. Bends and curves where you can't see what's coming, to where you're not even sure there will be enough room in your lane for a tiny car to drive through. Lack of street lights, faint to non-existent road markings. Also following the road markings can get you killed, since you should have been driving in the middle of the road, not in your lane at a lot of times. Big hills with pedestrians, cars parked, no room in your lane, people signaling each other to go. If your lane is blocked, the other side has priority, but if these rule is to be followed, we're going to be in a hospital pretty quickly (if the nhs emergency que allows it). Then there are roundabouts to which waze doesn't even bother telling you the lanes for, since every roundabout has its own made up rules. Seriously. Not a single standard way of knowing what lane to be in. Its the dumbest system. All of this and yet the UK is one of the safest countries to drive in. The main reasons being how difficult it is to get a license. Insurance skyrocketing for any incident (even if it isn't your fault). Solid cars (german cars do have solid brakes and tyres). Really grippy roads. Seriously grippy. The downside is road noise. Its designed this way because its always raining here and there can be ice and snow from time to time. fsd is going to have to be retrained significantly from the ground up to best adapt to the UK alone, let alone europe. I don't see that happening any time soon, specially not if the uk's population continues to get poorer and poorer, as it has done over the last 15 years.
Make a video about how Tesla cant properly recognise speed signs which even on Waze working very well without any cameras. Even if it can guess the proper speed sign, it doesnt change the set speed, so you are basically speeding from that moment. That is also extremely annoying, making cruise control much less usable.
We've actually made a few videos highlighting Tesla's struggles with speed sign recognition! You're spot on-it can make cruise control feel way less useful. You can start here: th-cam.com/video/xmGJ9p1et08/w-d-xo.html and watch any other video on the channel, speed sign related problems are everywhere :D
Welcome to where we were in the States with Full Self Driving just five years ago 😅 This is beta, Tesla knows it, and that's why you have to agree to their disclaimer prior to using the software. It will take some time, but they'll get it right.
In Europe, unfortunately, it is still the case that we have to pull on the steering wheel to overtake. Also Smart Summen is a disaster works only within a radius of 6m/ 20ft so unusable. M3 12/22 Hw3 2024.44.3.1 Update
Older models don't have an internal camera to monitor the driver's attention... (model S and X - I have an X P100D, but AP HW3.0 & MCU2) With these models you always HAVE to turn the steering wheel slightly... unfortunately. It's a SHAME how FSD (I bought the package back in 2018) works in Europe. We want the US version here as soon as possible. And yes: in 2018-2019 it worked better than today (back then it only stopped after x minutes, not after 15 seconds), six years later.. In addition, in tunnels "navigate on autopilot" switches off to regular autopilot. In Switzerland - where I live - there are a lot of tunnels. If there is an exit or intersection immediately after the tunnel, then NOA doesn't work (because only lane assistant and cruise control are active). Changing lanes in tunnels doesn't work then either.... ASS (summon) is a joke in Europe (only several meters allowed): my car running on 2024.44.3.1, on the most actual software (beginning of December 2024) Back then (2018), Tesla had a huge lead in Europe when it came to autopilot. Today, in 2024, EVERY other system runs smoother than Tesla (Even Renault, PSA or the crappy German cars). What a pity. Very, very annoying.
Hi, I have enhanched autopilot in the Netherlands and are very happy with it. Yes it is not always good, but most of the time it does the lane changes perfectly. I always keep an eye on the road and set my blinker even before autopilot tells me to switch lanes. Autopilot completes 9 out of 10 lane switches. I set the blinker with the Sexy Knob and then the change does its work even without touching the steering wheel. Allthough this does not work at night where the inside camera cannot see you....
Sounds like you’ve really nailed the perfect use case for Enhanced Autopilot in the Netherlands! It’s great to hear it works so well for you, especially with 9 out of 10 lane switches being spot-on. Using the 'Sexy Knob' to set the blinker early and letting it handle the rest is a clever workaround.
Can you please elaborate more on how you set up the Sexy knob to change lanes? I suspect you can shorten the interval between the lane change request and the start of the turn, anything more?
Switzerland is legalizing full autopilot on March 1st on highways, I am really looking forward to improvements then! So far I've quite regretted paying those 3500 for enhanced autopilot. that said, to confirm the lane change you don't have to steer towards the direction you want to go. you can nag right to go left too. as for the fact that it's waiting for so long before suggesting the lane change is probably due to your settings. you need to set your AP to mad max
I have also heard the good news! Looks like we're going to be paying you a visit in Switzerland :D want to do a meetup? In any case, could you let us know in the comments later in March, when you actually get FSD in Switzerland? Thanks a lot for your tips and guidance!
Mixed live and voiceover videos are fine. Could you tell us what your driving profile is? This should affect the change of lane change speed, I think I can feel the change, you can test it. You didn't mention that you can initiate a lane change manually. You need to turn the signal on, keep holding the stick, get a little help with the steering wheel, and release the stick only when the car has almost completely changed lanes. Otherwise, the car will jerk back into the original lane.
Thanks a lot for the additional information! You are exactly right - I am not sure which profile we tried. Can you guess from the lane change frequency? I did not even try the overcomplicated manual lane change as it is far less stressful to just change the lane yourself at that point :D At least in my opinion. Or do you use this frequently?
@@robotinreallife No, I can't guess; lane changing is completely unpredictable:-) I only noticed in Hurry mode that turning on FSD on the highway immediately requests to change lanes; I have no idea why. I routinely use FSD on the highway, forcing lane change with the stick in 75 % of situations. But yes, getting the car to pass at the right time is often a pain. Manual lane change during autopilot was learned by trial and error.
unforunately we do not have driver profiles like fsd yet. What we have is lane change frequency. I have that set to Mad Max and its very similar to what you see on the video. Its absolutely not even close to fsd. Its actualy a lot more dangerous
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Thanks for the video guys. I am waiting for the MY Juniper and was considering getting the EAP package, but so far it looks like it would be better to hold off for a bit and purchase it later. Is it correct that you get the auto park feature also only with the EAP and not standard?
Thanks for watching and great question! You're absolutely right-Auto Park is included only with the EAP package, not as part of the standard Autopilot. Holding off on purchasing EAP can be a smart move, especially if you're unsure about its current value for your driving needs in the EU. That said, there’s a catch-Elon Musk has hinted several times that once FSD is fully operational (even in regions like the EU), the price of these advanced features could increase significantly. So while waiting might save you money for now, there’s also a risk that it could get much more expensive later. 🚗💸 Are there any specific features of EAP you’re most excited about? Would love to know what you think!
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@@robotinreallife Díky za vyčerpávající odpověď :) You are right, the FSD package in US also went up and then it took several years to get down again, so the same thing might happen here in EU as well. With the current state of EAP I wish I could just get the summon and auto park features independently for like 50k and would be happy to get it. Not sure how these features are really useful in the long run or if they are just something nice to show off to your friends. I would however mostly do some short trips so paying the full price for FSD seems rather steep. More likely I would consider getting the monthly based subscription when I actually need the FSD for roadtrips, etc. The current price in US is 100USD so something like 2500CZK. Now considering even if the price for the package stayed the same, which is 200k CZK, you could still pay for the monthly subscription for almost 7 years to break even. Is it possible to buy the EAP package later via the app? I would first like to try some trial to see how much I actually need it and then decide to buy it or not.
@@robotinreallife the problem with the ” the price will only increase” argument is that in the US FSD used to be 15000 Dollars, now its 8000 again… so I wouldnt count on it getting more Expensive…
A real human with a drivers license will intuitively understand how to drive a car almost anywhere in the world no matter the terrain and obstacles without having been there before. What is AI missing? Why does it have to relearn driving, just because it is in a new place?
You described perfectly how neural networks used in Tesla FSD 12 and 13 work as well. They will be just placed into Europe and drive like a human, even better. What's missing right now is just the EU giving a green light for Tesla to deploy this better AI that is already handling US traffic like a champ. Did I make it more clear?
Great vid. Perhaps yet another difficulty on EU highways is that tracks go only 80-90km/h whilst in the US they go approx. the same speed as the passenger cars.
If you blink, then you have to press the flashing lever and not just flash soft. If you only press soft, it will cancel the lane change as soon as the flashing has stopped.
You are totally wrong, they don't really use much map data at all, and that could be rebuilt very quickly for Europe. The safer FSD system it's simply illegal in Europe because of dumb laws
They have been collecting data about EU roads since about 2016. Every single Tesla driving today, even manually, is always looking and training the newest version of FSD that will ultimately be rolled out here and absolutely dominate and shock everyone. The whole purpose of this channel is to be there at that moment.
You don't have to start the lane change yourself, you just need to apply some pressure to the steering wheel. It could even be a pressure in the opposite direction and it will lane change for you. Yesterday I drove around 350km highway in the Netherlands on enhanced autopilot (I have FSD) and it went flawlessly. You just have to understand how to use it, it's not always too easy.
I have EAP in the UK and only have to confirm the lane change with the turn signal. I've never had to nudge the steering wheel in the direction of the lane change.
I live in Cyprus and own a Tesla Model Y with a Ryzen processor. I had a strong desire to buy Enhanced Autopilot, but the cost of €4,000 stopped me. After watching videos, it seems for good reason. In Cyprus, most driving is on highways and using automatic lane changing would be very helpful. After watching a video from the US about FSD (Full Self-Driving), I even considered buying it, but apparently, the time hasn't come yet. I think it would be worth waiting until Q1 2025 when FSD will officially be released in Europe, as Tesla has announced. Maybe then there will be a trial or subscription for using FSD.
I've had a rental car on holiday in Cyprus, so I know exactly what you're talking about! When FSD comes to EU you'll probably have to wait even a bit longer because you drive on the left :D but hopefully not that long. On one hand, there will definitely be a trial and a subscription like you said, I would go as far as actually count on that. On the other, it might be worth it to buy FSD now because Elon hinted multiple times it might get stupid expensive once it's really solved and full feature. Which is not very far from reality now with 13.2. So it might be that when FSD is released in Europe, it will cost double or there will be only a subscription option and you won't be able to buy it "forever" at all.
It doesn't look like it's possible, judging by the video, but I almost always drive on autopilot on the highway in the Czech Republic. I just have to assist it, initiate the lane change quite often alone, and accelerate by pressing the pedal when overtaking other cars.
@@machj Standard Autopilot is undeniably useful and practical, but this video-and our channel-aims to highlight two key points: first, Enhanced Autopilot simply isn't worth the additional cost at this stage; and second, both Standard and Enhanced Autopilot feel woefully outdated compared to FSD. What's frustrating is that FSD, as it exists today, could likely operate in Europe without any major changes if regulations allowed it.
Couple of Notes - With HW4 cars you don’t need to nudge the steering wheel for a lane change, engaging the blinker is just fine. For HW3 vehicles I guess the nudge is still mandatory. - Do not soft press the stalk, as that will disengage the lane change command after an unsuccessful try. Instead do an hard push that way the turn signal will stay on until the lane change is complete. - You don’t have to wait for a lane change request. Just initiate it yourself if you need to.
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Yeah, the Europa Autopilot version sucks... i mostly just use it as a cure control... disable it to take over and be done in nothing. in swiss is not legal to go over full lines. could take you licence away, Gmap and Tesla maps don't now this and show always to late to move over...
Totally feel your frustration! Using it as a glorified cruise control can be disheartening, especially when you know what it's capable of elsewhere. And wow, the strict Swiss rules about crossing solid lines are intense-losing a license for that would be terrifying. Do you find it challenging to plan lane changes early enough with the maps showing guidance too late? I've been wondering if Tesla could tweak its algorithms to account for these stricter regulations...
@@robotinreallife yeah comparing is hell ;) i'm not afraid of this law's here. i think when all get treated the same way. And with so many drivers on the street in a small country - is ok yeah i also use know the Google maps on the phone (like the old car's), so there i see mostly on which line i should be in 2 km or so. wich tesla just show i need to go on any of the right's... util its to late. After i while you get to know to most crossing
I agree that EU Autopilot is incredibly dangerous and drives like a drunk. It does not work like the FSD version, it just does IF THIS THAN THAT. It first does the changeLane function, then it will have a loop that checks if there's anyone in front and IF all clear it will speed up. It's just lane assist with VERY basic lane change. And it is DANGEROUS! You can get rear ended by a car going the speed limit and Tesla is driving like a dead horse. In my experience you only have to nudge the steering wheel when it's dark out. During the day the camera looks at your hand and sees you're holding the steering wheel and doesn't ask for the nudge when changing lanes. Don't know why you have to nudge it in the night as it has excellent night vision and actually better contrast in night (Infrared) mode. The problem with EU regulations is that they're to specific and strict. On paper it looks good, but in reality, doing 3 turn signal flashes before changing lanes is not possible when you have people speeding past you or there's congestion. The issue with a computer doing the lane change is, it has no wiggle room and assumes EVERYONE is following the rules. Just get the S3xy buttons or only the commander from the company Enhance, do the lane change yourself and it will turn on Autopilot on again after turn signal finishes.
Thanks for the detailed comment-you’ve really nailed the core issues with EU Autopilot! The ‘IF THIS THEN THAT’ logic you described perfectly sums up why it feels so robotic and, at times, outright dangerous. The lack of adaptability and assumptions about perfect rule-following are huge flaws when driving in real-world traffic where things are far from ideal. Your observation about needing to nudge the steering wheel more at night is interesting. It’s strange, given that Tesla’s cameras have better night contrast with infrared, yet the system still demands extra confirmation. Maybe it’s a regulatory thing or Tesla being overly cautious in low-light scenarios? Totally agree that the EU’s strict regulations, while well-meaning, make real-world driving impractical for Autopilot. The 3-flash turn signal rule is a great example of how these rigid rules don’t match the flow of European traffic. It’s like the system is constantly fighting the environment instead of working with it. Enhance’s products seem like a great workaround for regaining control and making the driving experience smoother. Have you found that setup to be reliable long-term? And do you think Tesla could ever strike a balance between following the rules and being practical in EU traffic? Would love to hear more of your insights!
EAP and FSD are limited due to EU regulations. But there are so many bugs in Tesla software which makes it unusable. Got FSD in 2019 (had AP before in a 2014 M S). and EAP in 2023. Bugs bugs bugs, its not worth a cent and Tesla does not care. Even std AP has so many bugs like wrong speed sign recognition, no longer setting speed to speed signs, phantom braking, hugging left lane (illegal here), driving like a drunk swaying away from trucks, driving too much left and risking an accident with incoming traffic. Lots of work for Tesla, but they simply dont care about customers outside of the US. Rain ? bing/bong no FSD, tall side wall on the road bong/bing no FSD. Autopark ? What a joke it was the last ten 10years. Stanying 1m away from the car was too much and the car stopped after just 10m max. A small 4cm bump, car stopped. Took several times to engage due to connection errors. All fun if it was free, but that hefty price for nothing (for how many years now ?) Car still runs with 100kph into a city (50 is the limit), thats illegal. It got worse since 2019, got 6 wrong speed settings in 5km of my home, was 9 3 years ago, hey, what an improvement. No, after all these years other cars can do basic things much better
Your experience underscores the challenges Tesla drivers face with FSD/EAP in the EU due to regulatory restrictions and software bugs. Tesla’s Autopilot stack is indeed constrained by European regulations that cap certain functionalities and require more driver interventions. While some owners find incremental improvements over time, others-like you-highlight persistent issues such as faulty speed sign recognition, phantom braking, and lane-positioning errors. The global rollout approach often prioritizes the U.S. market, and that can leave international users feeling overlooked. Ultimately, each owner has to decide if these limitations are worth the price. Thank you for sharing your detailed feedback-it’s valuable for anyone evaluating Tesla’s driver-assist systems, especially in the EU.
good points, but you don't have to wait till your offered to overtake, you can just do it earlier... I know personally doing this with EAP on 2018 s. It is definitatly not perfect, I just ignore the suggestions and just initiate them myself without disabling EAP. Problem I had is if I initiate to early when a car is in the way, then it can abort and fail. I also found I can excellerate to slot in to other traffic so that I don't have to be so far away from the slower car. Your depending too much on it telling you to overtake or turn back in... just read the road and do it yourself, and you don't have to disable AP, I also use the + or 1 nudging to speed up etc. I found it worked, keeping in lanes and changing lanes also in low fog visiblity... was very useful for long journies... once exepting the limitiations and understanding its not Auto piolot :)
You're definitely correct, I just don't see the value of EAP if you change lanes by yourself and have to provide multiple inputs regardless. Hopefully FSD comes here soon and puts these imperfections to rest :D
@@robotinreallife Yep agreed, keeping fingers crossed, peerhaps it might 1 day be worth even upgrading to full FSD but defo not now. I didn't buy EAP, just got 2nd hand car with it, so use it now for what its good at, and those long boring roads really are less tiring now.
Same behavior in the Netherlands. EAP does not anticipate well in slower upcoming traffic. Lane changes will not work when it is moderately busy and want humongous gaps between cars. Speed limits are not recognized correctly and luckily the car is not auto changing speed limits on highway because that would be even a worse experience. It picks up speed limits that do not apply to cars and picks up speed limits for other (parallell) tracks... I'm a 2018 Model S HW3 owner and actually IMHO EAP hasn't updated for many years and when I bought the car the nagging was less and gave a better experience....
EAP/AP in Europe is crap. But it is not necessary to nag the steering wheel in the direction you want to change lane to. It's just safer to do so and hold the steering wheel in the direction of lane change as most of the lane change has to be completed within five seconds. If EAP takes too long to initiate the lane change it could happen at any time that it moves back to where it has come from. So it's safer to keep the wheel held in the direction I want to go.
Totally agree-EAP/AP in Europe can feel like a compromise compared to what’s available elsewhere. Interesting point about holding the steering wheel during lane changes; it makes sense that it adds an extra layer of safety, especially if the system takes too long to initiate the maneuver. Have you noticed any specific scenarios where this delay causes problems? Or do you find holding the wheel solves most of these issues? Would love to hear more about your experience!
@ Holding the steering wheel in the direction of the initiated lane change does not make it any better. But I am an experienced Autobahn driver for more than 30 years, I've had Mercedes TACC when it was branchbanking new in an E-Class back in 2002 and I can very well anticipate the right moment for when to set the indicator to initiate a lane change before the Tesla would start slowing down behind the next car in front. I'm so used to driving on Austrian and German Autobahn with EAP engaged that I automatically mitigate its flaws and shortcomings. I rarely get surprised by an unexpected reaction - works as desigend by the UNECE. Which version of Tesla software does your Model 3 or Y have? My Model S 2017 has 2024.44.3.1 and this version seems to not slow down that aggressively when an overtake manouevre is already initiated. But it still wait's until the lane change is completed before accelerating (in case I got stock behind a slower car and was riding their speed).
Thank you so much for sharing your 30+ years of Autobahn driving experience! It’s impressive how you handle both Mercedes TACC and Tesla’s EAP systems so smoothly. Your ability to anticipate lane changes and mitigate EAP’s quirks really shows your expertise and makes for a safer drive. We always include the Tesla software version in our video descriptions, so thanks for pointing that out. It’s great to hear about your Model S 2017 with version 2024.44.3.1 and how it handles overtaking differently. Your insights on setting indicators at the right moment are super helpful and will definitely benefit others in the community. Thanks again for your tips and for contributing your knowledge. If you have any more advice or experiences to share, we’d love to hear them. Safe driving on the Autobahn!
I think in Europe most people speed, by at least 10Kph. I think it is very annoying if a FSD car tires to overtake while trying to keep to the speed limit.
That is weird. I have a US Tesla model Y, and I've never seen my car perform such dangerous maneuvers. but since regular autopilot can't change lanes on it's own, it's much safer. But I only have regular autopilot and FSD. I stopped my FSD subscription because I mostly drive on highways anyway and FSD would only help in about 10% of the entire trip, so not worth it. But it looks like the Tesla you were riding was maybe on old software?
Yeah, EU self driving is gonna be killed by regulations. Workaround in S3XY commander which automatically engage autopilot 3sec after stalk off. So, Drive on AP - to engage takeover - Stalk - turning the weel disables AP to Cruise, get in the speeding lane - disengage stalk - AP automatically engages in the lane you are after 3 sec. Same to get back. Was sceptical but after I drove the whole Czechia like that - it's easy and intuitive.
So some parts of the world is NOT yet using current HW 4 v20 (joke) updates using AI and video clips but instead this video demonstrated the past scripted codes in C++ written by USA programmers who doesn’t understand how to drive in euro roads. Although the more international users drives their teslas in their local regions the better data neutral network collect, the faster AI can learn and adapt to rules of roads in various countries once Tesla unleashes Version 20 in those various regions. If Government permitted it.
Exactly! Just one small correction - we're already on v13 in the US which is something like 500 % better than even v12. Just astonishing progress, of which Europe is enjoying nothing right now :D It's going to be absolutely mind blowing once we switch from the current system to actual FSD literally overnight.
Thanks for the kind words! We’re definitely planning to test the new Summon feature and its quirks in Europe-especially with all the restrictions here, it’ll be interesting to see how it performs. 🚗🔍 As for Q1 2025, fingers crossed! If FSD really arrives in Europe by then, it could change the game, but I wonder-do you think it'll roll out with full functionality, or will it still face limitations due to EU regulations? Let us know your thoughts!
@robotinreallife Great to hear that you are gonna push the limits of Summon. Talking about my thoughts on FSD, well, i think that if they manage to release it here, then it'll be at its finest as it is in the US. Such a complex system that performs 100% of the driving tasks can't be bothered with strange nags. Just vision-based attention monitoring will be accepted as sufficient by regulators if they let Tesla release the software.
I've tried the new "Actually Smart Summon" feature (also in CZ with HW3 2020 M3) and it's completely useless. It doesn't start unless you're closer than 6 meters from the car (more like 3 meters realistically) and it moves like 1 meter towards you at best. :D Granted, I only tried it on my driveway, which is pretty restricted in space, but the car couldn't even get to a close proximity of a 10cm high "curb". It stopped like 1,5-2 meters from any obstacle it saw.
@Tobisss123 true. Also, i've noticed that it can rarely happen that some curbs are not well interpreted by AI, and during autopark it keeps going and would hit it with the rear extractor, forcing me to pause autopark in these scenarios. Tbh though, it is extremely, extremely rare, but it happened a couple of times.
Thanks for this video. I drive a M3 highland in Germany and The Netherlands and was considering upgrading to EAP or even FSD. Not so much anymore after seeing this. Knowing what my car is capable of, especially now on v13.2 it's frustrating how stupid AP behaves. I don't get why Tesla doesn't roll out FSD but restricts it to lane keep + acc only. Or with lange change added for EAP users. Looking forward to your next video.
You're welcome German neighbour! Like I mentioned in another reply, it's a real dilemma - on one hand, the features are far from being worth the money today, but when we finally get FSD they might charge even more for it to reward the early adopters and price it "accordingly" to its incredible value. I hope the only reason they aren't releasing it like you suggested is their high confidence in successful rollout really really soon. As far as official info is concerned, FSD should be approved and released in early 2025...
Thank the Germans for not allowing FSD. If Tesla wanted to, they would already have, but old sluggish rules from Germany prevent it being allowed in Europe.
@@robotinreallife the one good thing is it was TESLA saying Q1 FSD for Europe , not Elon, so it might Actually be True… it seems like Elon has been less active on promising crazy stuff lateley and just let The official Tesla channel handle the Communication… idk maybe its still elon behind the Tweets and he just doesnt want people memeing on the Timeline.
@@lolfreakwaca4328 Good point, yes, that's also a bullish sign for FSD in my opinion :D I don't think it's him tweeting from the official Tesla X account.
I don't understand why even making this video, you should just talk about the regulations, it's not their fault if European laws make the system much more dangerous
Why we're making these videos is indeed a good question! The point is to showcase the absurd difference between European and US Tesla FSD capabilities. Furthermore, the plan is to later, with these failures as a benchmark, showcase how amazing and much more capable FSD is. You're absolutely right that Tesla is not the one to blame, however, that still doesn't provide a good argument for why they're not at least giving us the intelligence level of FSD with the crippling regulations of EU which would still be better than 4+ years old Autopilot software. I suspect and hope that the only reason is efficiency and that should mean that FSD is coming no matter what, just a bit later, in the exact way it's running now in the US.
@robotinreallife They simply can't. Because Tesla self driving capabilities are based on neural network AI models, they don't have the finer control required to implement those EU regulations for self driving cars. For example the EU defines how to overtake, an overtake should be completed in a limited timeframe and if the car is not able to do so and the timer expires in the middle of the manoeuvre the car need to complete the manoeuvre only if 3 of 4 wheels have crossed the middle lanes otherwise the car need to go back to the previous lane. These regulations don't make any sense at all, self driving cars should just follow the already existing road code rules. So basically they will never do major changes to the EU autopilot until the laws change and they can release FSD (or they get an exclusive approval to bypass the EU regulations)
Hopefully one way or another we will get FSD soon. With v13 rolling out in the US, it's game over for anyone else pursuing autonomy. Except China maybe. But that's another story. Regulators just can't ignore the insane performance of FSD.
Looks like it's set up for failiure tho.. Set the distance setting to as close as possible and also change the lange change setting in the menu to mad max and it works much better. You can also initiate lane change on your own, that way you get your own timing on it. Sadly the eu world police will prob ruin fsd for Europe like so many other things :(
same here, I love Tesla i Love my model Y but i can't believe it's the same car as the american, I'm in Europe and the car is just dangerous in autopilote i have the enhanced Autopilote and want to buy the FSD but it's a non sens here... it's just a great stay in the line and sometimes it doesn't even do that .... when i have a curve it slow down dangerously at 120 on highway i can't go to 60 just for a curve .... tesla is not listening to us ... they just annonce great great stuff for USA only .... such a pain for me i love the brand love the car it was my dream car it's still ( model X) but i'm just sad to have a great car who is nothing better than a clio2 ..... i couldn't believe the FSD really work that great when i see the autopilot on europe maybe american road are way easier than européen
Thanks for sharing your experience! It’s definitely frustrating to have such a fantastic car and feel like it’s being held back by the limitations in Europe. The slowing down for curves at highway speeds is a real pain-it’s one of those quirks that makes Autopilot feel far less refined here compared to the U.S. But there’s hope! Tesla has mentioned they’re aiming for a Q1 2025 release for FSD in Europe, which could finally unlock the system’s full potential. Fingers crossed that it delivers the same seamless experience we see in the U.S. What’s the first thing you’d test if FSD arrives in Europe? Let’s keep hoping for a breakthrough soon!
Incorrect information. You just have to hold the wheel and hold a small pressure on other the left out right direction. No need to do it in the direction you want to move. And if you always hold a small pressure, it is always ready. Been using it in Denmark for 4 years :) But I agree with almost everything else 😅 Great video 😃
You're absolutely right-FSD isn't allowed in Europe yet, and that's due to the strict UNECE regulations. But it’s not banned forever; Tesla is working on adapting the system to meet these requirements. Fingers crossed that we’ll see it here soon! What do you think-will Europe eventually loosen the regulations, or will Tesla have to make big changes to get FSD approved? Would love to hear your thoughts!
It is important that we all in Europe wait for the correct FSD auto pilot which will come to Europe within the near future hopefully 2025 so please stop putting all these videos suggesting that auto pilot doesn’t work. It’s limited in Europe.
Absolutely, Donovan! We're actually huge fans of FSD and can't wait for it to arrive in Europe-hopefully sooner rather than later. The whole point of these videos is to highlight the current challenges so that when FSD finally gets here, it can shine even brighter without these limitations holding it back.
Have FSD for the last three years and yes its crazy to see that te USA is way ahead with FSD and not the rest of the world however there are lwas for each countries and we maynot agree with it all but it´s what it is. however I love using FSD not in Sweden dispite the problem.
have you set lane change to Mad Max in the settings? then it suggests it more often. why do you always wait until the car suggests a lane change? just signal when you want to change, you don't have to wait 🤷♀️ the rest is unfortunately the fault of the UNECE rules.. It works really good here in Austria.. Just don't wait until it slows down, change it before it does. Use it properly
But yes, we have old software and no AI.. And I don't believe we will get it next year.. They will not allow it because european manufacturers are way behind
Which genius thought of adding the turn signal that close to the camera? I can imagine it's not great that the image is changing every time you turn on your turn signal...
This was an issue they updated over the air in the States, not sure why it wasn't updated in EU yet... The supply chain changed the housing too, so the LED isn't occluding the image with light pollution anymore as well.
I find it funny That you get upset for everyone that is driving over 130 kilometers per hour while in Germany it is very common for people to drive 200 or 300 kmh I think autopilot would have had even more difficulties in Germany
Yeah well you have the Autobahn without speed limits, here the rules are pretty strict :D or do you mean that people are driving 200 or 300 when there's a speed limit? Jesus...
Thank you for reporting your experience with us! That's so strange to see Enhanced Autopilot in Europe works so worse in comparison with US autopilot. I know the Full Self Driving isn't available in Europe right now. But changing lanes is so basic in the FSD and should be almost the same as in Europe as in US, I'm shocked of bad behaviour of Enhanced Autopilot in Europe.
Thanks for your thoughts, Alexey! It really is surprising how Enhanced Autopilot (EAP) behaves so differently in Europe compared to the US. Lane changing is a great example-it feels like such a basic function, yet the EU's stricter regulations make it much more cumbersome. Having to confirm lane changes twice, with both the turn signal and a steering nudge, is definitely a hurdle. You're absolutely right that these differences largely come down to EU regulations prioritizing constant driver engagement, which can make even basic maneuvers feel awkward. If FSD finally arrives in Europe, do you think these rules will change, or will Tesla have to adapt FSD even further for the EU market? Curious to hear your take!
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13.2 is absolutely insane. I am so jealous right now lol :D
Nah, get FSD for when it is allowed here. Saves money when it gets more expensive.
Even enhanced autopilot isnt worth getting. It litteraly offers nothing. I hardly use the regular autopilot on my Model 3, only when driving through a construction site with 80 kmh where i can stay in one lane or i have to eat.. EAP is litteraly not helping with anything. And since Elon said they are working on FSD in Europe in 2025, we will most likely get it in 2035...
@ yeah I also dont think we will get FSD anytime soon in Europe, and Tesla will continue to fall behind when it comes to Driver Assistance in Europe… they Might do great in America and China, but unless they change their Strategy and actually just adapt Autopilot for Europe instead of forcing FSD here, I feel like Tesla will have a hard time in the future in Europe…
Down 26 % sales in Germany this year so far, and because of that, Overall Down in Sales in Europe…
I mean I get it, software engineers are expensive, thats why they just want to import their US system into Europe, but I don‘t think that will happen anytime soon, where they can just take that system and plop it down here in Europe without big Changes!
I disagree. I only ever invested in TSLA, 100% of portfolio. After doing so, and buying the car, I wanted to meet Elon in person, so I applied for and got hired at Giga Texas. I met Elon in person. If that's not hardcore, I do not know what is. That said, I've since exited as an employee, and I can tell you: BUY FSD NOW, WHILE YOU CAN AFFORD IT. It makes zero sense after the price is more than doubled a year from now when Robotaxi is released, to buy it - just pay for the subscription at that point. However, the software will get better exponentially. No one, (not Waymo, not anyone) has billions of miles of data in their neural net, and Tesla will win autonomy. Meaning: if you can get pure profit from your personal autonomous taxi passive income, buy the program "unlocked" now.
We have seen FSD 13.2 in USA and it looks amazing. The European one is limited by so many rules and regulations, so it is super cut back. I am in UK and want the laws to be updated to allow us the option of FSD proper. So far I do not believe it is worth FSD in any guise in Europe.
You're right on the money. Even if they just put the FSD code in, but limited it by the regulations, it would be great. But we're running years old software at this point which is getting more and more outdated. Hopefully the main reason is that it's just not gonna matter in a couple of months and FSD will be released worldwide, full feature.
@@robotinreallife For example , here in Europe Summon function is limited to ... 6 meters.
Ridiculous and useless !
I'm so angry about all these regulations damnit.
Sorry the uk gov is too busy for visit their own people for some tweet, good luck for the law change...
Hahah yeah in the latest video we have tested the Actually Smart Summon ourselves and the result is more than funny: th-cam.com/video/4djSGHZxzt4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mixjtb5c_tmaKnk2
Yea does not help that tesla tried to hide autopilot caused incidents does it. People in the US died using it, yes you will respond saying "well you are supposed to be always active and hand on wheel" sadly humans don't always abide to it. And autopilot in some incidents just like full on just crashed by itself in matter of seconds.
But regulation is easing up with time nonetheless.
Autopilot in Europe has been at a standstill for the past 3 years. It's definitely not worth getting for the current state it's in. Just use the included lane assist. It will do 90% of the job either way.
HOWEVER, I've heard that in 2025 there will be some changes in the EU's regulations on self driving vehicles and also driverless vehicles, which could finally bring all the nice things we see Teslas have in America, here to Europe. So if this is likely maybe it would be worth investing in, seeing what it can already do when unrestricted.
You're spot on! Tesla themselves claimed that they're expecting FSD in the EU in the first quarter of 2025, pending regulator approval.
@@robotinreallife Switzerland will allow level 3 and level 4 autonomy starting in March 2025. Let's hope the EU follows ASAP, as this would open the door to FSD being implemented in most markets across Europe
Although not intentional (by the government), I think fsd might take 3-4x longer to impliment in europe. for many reasons even ignoring regulations. Another thing to think about is that while a lot of europe might have great infrustructure, the UK has some of the worst roads imaginable. Completely unmarked. Big potholes. Pedestrians can walk out at any time. Cars parked on both sides of a tiny road. 60mph tiny roads, meaning a 120mph head on collision. Bends and curves where you can't see what's coming, to where you're not even sure there will be enough room in your lane for a tiny car to drive through. Lack of street lights, faint to non-existent road markings. Also following the road markings can get you killed, since you should have been driving in the middle of the road, not in your lane at a lot of times. Big hills with pedestrians, cars parked, no room in your lane, people signaling each other to go. If your lane is blocked, the other side has priority, but if these rule is to be followed, we're going to be in a hospital pretty quickly (if the nhs emergency que allows it). Then there are roundabouts to which waze doesn't even bother telling you the lanes for, since every roundabout has its own made up rules. Seriously. Not a single standard way of knowing what lane to be in. Its the dumbest system. All of this and yet the UK is one of the safest countries to drive in. The main reasons being how difficult it is to get a license. Insurance skyrocketing for any incident (even if it isn't your fault). Solid cars (german cars do have solid brakes and tyres). Really grippy roads. Seriously grippy. The downside is road noise. Its designed this way because its always raining here and there can be ice and snow from time to time. fsd is going to have to be retrained significantly from the ground up to best adapt to the UK alone, let alone europe. I don't see that happening any time soon, specially not if the uk's population continues to get poorer and poorer, as it has done over the last 15 years.
1:18 there are some features of EAP that may be verboten in the EU by government restrictions, is merging not one of them?
It might be that, or the system is just simply not intelligent enough to recognize this merging pattern...
Make a video about how Tesla cant properly recognise speed signs which even on Waze working very well without any cameras.
Even if it can guess the proper speed sign, it doesnt change the set speed, so you are basically speeding from that moment. That is also extremely annoying, making cruise control much less usable.
@@xNorbiful so true , and it doesnt even work in America! Tesla is just in general TERRIBLE at Speed Sign recognition!
We've actually made a few videos highlighting Tesla's struggles with speed sign recognition! You're spot on-it can make cruise control feel way less useful. You can start here: th-cam.com/video/xmGJ9p1et08/w-d-xo.html and watch any other video on the channel, speed sign related problems are everywhere :D
Looks much better now with FSD 13.2!
Welcome to where we were in the States with Full Self Driving just five years ago 😅
This is beta, Tesla knows it, and that's why you have to agree to their disclaimer prior to using the software. It will take some time, but they'll get it right.
Yeah once even EU-crippled FSD is rolled out, the difference will be stunning!
4:55 not true! Since update: 2024.32.30 you only need to initiate Blinker, no touching the steering wheel anymore
In Europe, unfortunately, it is still the case that we have to pull on the steering wheel to overtake. Also Smart Summen is a disaster works only within a radius of 6m/ 20ft so unusable. M3 12/22 Hw3
2024.44.3.1 Update
@patrickkirch6359 is sadly right. Seems like the EU really overregulates everything it can.
@@patrickkirch6359 i an talking about Europe, they removed the need for you to nudge the steering wheel to do a lane change in update 2024.32.30
@ would be weird that it does not overregulate me or my friends cars then 😂
The need to nudge steering wheel is no longer needed 🤷🏼 only blinker
Older models don't have an internal camera to monitor the driver's attention... (model S and X - I have an X P100D, but AP HW3.0 & MCU2)
With these models you always HAVE to turn the steering wheel slightly... unfortunately.
It's a SHAME how FSD (I bought the package back in 2018) works in Europe. We want the US version here as soon as possible.
And yes: in 2018-2019 it worked better than today (back then it only stopped after x minutes, not after 15 seconds), six years later..
In addition, in tunnels "navigate on autopilot" switches off to regular autopilot.
In Switzerland - where I live - there are a lot of tunnels.
If there is an exit or intersection immediately after the tunnel, then NOA doesn't work (because only lane assistant and cruise control are active). Changing lanes in tunnels doesn't work then either.... ASS (summon) is a joke in Europe (only several meters allowed): my car running on 2024.44.3.1, on the most actual software (beginning of December 2024)
Back then (2018), Tesla had a huge lead in Europe when it came to autopilot. Today, in 2024, EVERY other system runs smoother than Tesla (Even Renault, PSA or the crappy German cars). What a pity.
Very, very annoying.
Hi, I have enhanched autopilot in the Netherlands and are very happy with it. Yes it is not always good, but most of the time it does the lane changes perfectly. I always keep an eye on the road and set my blinker even before autopilot tells me to switch lanes. Autopilot completes 9 out of 10 lane switches. I set the blinker with the Sexy Knob and then the change does its work even without touching the steering wheel. Allthough this does not work at night where the inside camera cannot see you....
Sounds like you’ve really nailed the perfect use case for Enhanced Autopilot in the Netherlands! It’s great to hear it works so well for you, especially with 9 out of 10 lane switches being spot-on. Using the 'Sexy Knob' to set the blinker early and letting it handle the rest is a clever workaround.
Can you please elaborate more on how you set up the Sexy knob to change lanes? I suspect you can shorten the interval between the lane change request and the start of the turn, anything more?
@ I use the autopilot submenu on the knob. Then I have the blinkers at the bottom, max speed right up, enable autopilot left top…
Switzerland is legalizing full autopilot on March 1st on highways, I am really looking forward to improvements then!
So far I've quite regretted paying those 3500 for enhanced autopilot.
that said, to confirm the lane change you don't have to steer towards the direction you want to go. you can nag right to go left too.
as for the fact that it's waiting for so long before suggesting the lane change is probably due to your settings. you need to set your AP to mad max
I have also heard the good news! Looks like we're going to be paying you a visit in Switzerland :D want to do a meetup? In any case, could you let us know in the comments later in March, when you actually get FSD in Switzerland? Thanks a lot for your tips and guidance!
Mixed live and voiceover videos are fine. Could you tell us what your driving profile is? This should affect the change of lane change speed, I think I can feel the change, you can test it. You didn't mention that you can initiate a lane change manually. You need to turn the signal on, keep holding the stick, get a little help with the steering wheel, and release the stick only when the car has almost completely changed lanes. Otherwise, the car will jerk back into the original lane.
Thanks a lot for the additional information! You are exactly right - I am not sure which profile we tried. Can you guess from the lane change frequency?
I did not even try the overcomplicated manual lane change as it is far less stressful to just change the lane yourself at that point :D At least in my opinion. Or do you use this frequently?
@@robotinreallife No, I can't guess; lane changing is completely unpredictable:-) I only noticed in Hurry mode that turning on FSD on the highway immediately requests to change lanes; I have no idea why. I routinely use FSD on the highway, forcing lane change with the stick in 75 % of situations. But yes, getting the car to pass at the right time is often a pain. Manual lane change during autopilot was learned by trial and error.
unforunately we do not have driver profiles like fsd yet. What we have is lane change frequency. I have that set to Mad Max and its very similar to what you see on the video. Its absolutely not even close to fsd. Its actualy a lot more dangerous
Thanks for the video guys. I am waiting for the MY Juniper and was considering getting the EAP package, but so far it looks like it would be better to hold off for a bit and purchase it later. Is it correct that you get the auto park feature also only with the EAP and not standard?
Thanks for watching and great question! You're absolutely right-Auto Park is included only with the EAP package, not as part of the standard Autopilot. Holding off on purchasing EAP can be a smart move, especially if you're unsure about its current value for your driving needs in the EU.
That said, there’s a catch-Elon Musk has hinted several times that once FSD is fully operational (even in regions like the EU), the price of these advanced features could increase significantly. So while waiting might save you money for now, there’s also a risk that it could get much more expensive later. 🚗💸
Are there any specific features of EAP you’re most excited about? Would love to know what you think!
@@robotinreallife Díky za vyčerpávající odpověď :) You are right, the FSD package in US also went up and then it took several years to get down again, so the same thing might happen here in EU as well. With the current state of EAP I wish I could just get the summon and auto park features independently for like 50k and would be happy to get it. Not sure how these features are really useful in the long run or if they are just something nice to show off to your friends.
I would however mostly do some short trips so paying the full price for FSD seems rather steep. More likely I would consider getting the monthly based subscription when I actually need the FSD for roadtrips, etc. The current price in US is 100USD so something like 2500CZK. Now considering even if the price for the package stayed the same, which is 200k CZK, you could still pay for the monthly subscription for almost 7 years to break even.
Is it possible to buy the EAP package later via the app? I would first like to try some trial to see how much I actually need it and then decide to buy it or not.
@@robotinreallife the problem with the ” the price will only increase” argument is that in the US FSD used to be 15000 Dollars, now its 8000 again… so I wouldnt count on it getting more Expensive…
A real human with a drivers license will intuitively understand how to drive a car almost anywhere in the world no matter the terrain and obstacles without having been there before. What is AI missing? Why does it have to relearn driving, just because it is in a new place?
You described perfectly how neural networks used in Tesla FSD 12 and 13 work as well. They will be just placed into Europe and drive like a human, even better.
What's missing right now is just the EU giving a green light for Tesla to deploy this better AI that is already handling US traffic like a champ. Did I make it more clear?
Do you ever get Phantom Braking on AP in CZ? I had this happen quite a lot in CZ & DE on roadtrips to NL.
Yeah but it's nothing terrible most of the time. Can be pretty annoying though.
Great vid. Perhaps yet another difficulty on EU highways is that tracks go only 80-90km/h whilst in the US they go approx. the same speed as the passenger cars.
Yeah that's really annoying because you have to choose to drive either in the 90 km/h truck lane or 180 km/h BMW Mercedes Audi lane :/
If you blink, then you have to press the flashing lever and not just flash soft. If you only press soft, it will cancel the lane change as soon as the flashing has stopped.
Oh great! Will try next time, didn't know that.
Issue with FSD (for now) is that most of the database is made on USA roads/roadsigns/roadmarkings. Probably less than 10% of Tesla fleet is in EU.
You are totally wrong, they don't really use much map data at all, and that could be rebuilt very quickly for Europe. The safer FSD system it's simply illegal in Europe because of dumb laws
It’s the ai laws in Europe
They have been collecting data about EU roads since about 2016. Every single Tesla driving today, even manually, is always looking and training the newest version of FSD that will ultimately be rolled out here and absolutely dominate and shock everyone. The whole purpose of this channel is to be there at that moment.
Somehow I feel a lot safer that this is NOT working in Europe :)
I recommend you to watch any FSD 13.2 video. Much safer than the average human driver at this point.
Do you feel safer in Europe where the system (and others automakers too) is much more dangerous because for the EU laws?
You don't have to start the lane change yourself, you just need to apply some pressure to the steering wheel. It could even be a pressure in the opposite direction and it will lane change for you. Yesterday I drove around 350km highway in the Netherlands on enhanced autopilot (I have FSD) and it went flawlessly. You just have to understand how to use it, it's not always too easy.
Did not know that, thanks a lot for the clarification!
I have EAP in the UK and only have to confirm the lane change with the turn signal. I've never had to nudge the steering wheel in the direction of the lane change.
That seems to be one of the bright sides of Brexit, I guess :D Good for you!
"Sometimes they drive 150 kph on the left lane." Well. Lets see how Germany goes.
Haha yes can't wait to test FSD on the Autobahn!
It drives like an NPC.
I live in Cyprus and own a Tesla Model Y with a Ryzen processor. I had a strong desire to buy Enhanced Autopilot, but the cost of €4,000 stopped me. After watching videos, it seems for good reason.
In Cyprus, most driving is on highways and using automatic lane changing would be very helpful. After watching a video from the US about FSD (Full Self-Driving), I even considered buying it, but apparently, the time hasn't come yet.
I think it would be worth waiting until Q1 2025 when FSD will officially be released in Europe, as Tesla has announced. Maybe then there will be a trial or subscription for using FSD.
I've had a rental car on holiday in Cyprus, so I know exactly what you're talking about! When FSD comes to EU you'll probably have to wait even a bit longer because you drive on the left :D but hopefully not that long.
On one hand, there will definitely be a trial and a subscription like you said, I would go as far as actually count on that. On the other, it might be worth it to buy FSD now because Elon hinted multiple times it might get stupid expensive once it's really solved and full feature. Which is not very far from reality now with 13.2. So it might be that when FSD is released in Europe, it will cost double or there will be only a subscription option and you won't be able to buy it "forever" at all.
It doesn't look like it's possible, judging by the video, but I almost always drive on autopilot on the highway in the Czech Republic. I just have to assist it, initiate the lane change quite often alone, and accelerate by pressing the pedal when overtaking other cars.
@@machj Standard Autopilot is undeniably useful and practical, but this video-and our channel-aims to highlight two key points: first, Enhanced Autopilot simply isn't worth the additional cost at this stage; and second, both Standard and Enhanced Autopilot feel woefully outdated compared to FSD. What's frustrating is that FSD, as it exists today, could likely operate in Europe without any major changes if regulations allowed it.
@@robotinreallife That's why I bought TM3 with FSD. I hope that it would be great next year, when the regulation should be changed 0:03 .
@@machj Fingers crossed!
"Some people just go 200 and they're insane."
_Cough cough._ Tary.
Or MKBHD in the schoolzone 🚀🚀🚀
Couple of Notes
- With HW4 cars you don’t need to nudge the steering wheel for a lane change, engaging the blinker is just fine. For HW3 vehicles I guess the nudge is still mandatory.
- Do not soft press the stalk, as that will disengage the lane change command after an unsuccessful try. Instead do an hard push that way the turn signal will stay on until the lane change is complete.
- You don’t have to wait for a lane change request. Just initiate it yourself if you need to.
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This is not Tesla issue, its Europe union rules that makes it hard to release it fully
Of course it is! We have stated that in the video multiple times.
Thanks for making videos like this. Tesla should be ashamed to call this ”Autopilot” in EU, even VW Travel Assist feels more safer than this.
Yeah hopefully we just get FSD in a few month and forget this dark period :))
Yeah, the Europa Autopilot version sucks... i mostly just use it as a cure control... disable it to take over and be done in nothing.
in swiss is not legal to go over full lines. could take you licence away, Gmap and Tesla maps don't now this and show always to late to move over...
Totally feel your frustration! Using it as a glorified cruise control can be disheartening, especially when you know what it's capable of elsewhere. And wow, the strict Swiss rules about crossing solid lines are intense-losing a license for that would be terrifying.
Do you find it challenging to plan lane changes early enough with the maps showing guidance too late? I've been wondering if Tesla could tweak its algorithms to account for these stricter regulations...
@@robotinreallife yeah comparing is hell ;)
i'm not afraid of this law's here. i think when all get treated the same way. And with so many drivers on the street in a small country - is ok
yeah i also use know the Google maps on the phone (like the old car's), so there i see mostly on which line i should be in 2 km or so. wich tesla just show i need to go on any of the right's... util its to late. After i while you get to know to most crossing
There is exactly 0% chance that I will FSD determine switching lane when there is 50Kph difference between my speed and a car on the left lane.
2:14 I know this place. Ive been there a few times. :O
What a coincidence!
@robotinreallife Its close to my old school. When we were on a trip to England, that was the first highway we took.
Damn, what a great story! You drove all the way to the English Isles?
I agree that EU Autopilot is incredibly dangerous and drives like a drunk. It does not work like the FSD version, it just does IF THIS THAN THAT. It first does the changeLane function, then it will have a loop that checks if there's anyone in front and IF all clear it will speed up. It's just lane assist with VERY basic lane change. And it is DANGEROUS! You can get rear ended by a car going the speed limit and Tesla is driving like a dead horse.
In my experience you only have to nudge the steering wheel when it's dark out. During the day the camera looks at your hand and sees you're holding the steering wheel and doesn't ask for the nudge when changing lanes. Don't know why you have to nudge it in the night as it has excellent night vision and actually better contrast in night (Infrared) mode.
The problem with EU regulations is that they're to specific and strict. On paper it looks good, but in reality, doing 3 turn signal flashes before changing lanes is not possible when you have people speeding past you or there's congestion. The issue with a computer doing the lane change is, it has no wiggle room and assumes EVERYONE is following the rules.
Just get the S3xy buttons or only the commander from the company Enhance, do the lane change yourself and it will turn on Autopilot on again after turn signal finishes.
Thanks for the detailed comment-you’ve really nailed the core issues with EU Autopilot! The ‘IF THIS THEN THAT’ logic you described perfectly sums up why it feels so robotic and, at times, outright dangerous. The lack of adaptability and assumptions about perfect rule-following are huge flaws when driving in real-world traffic where things are far from ideal.
Your observation about needing to nudge the steering wheel more at night is interesting. It’s strange, given that Tesla’s cameras have better night contrast with infrared, yet the system still demands extra confirmation. Maybe it’s a regulatory thing or Tesla being overly cautious in low-light scenarios?
Totally agree that the EU’s strict regulations, while well-meaning, make real-world driving impractical for Autopilot. The 3-flash turn signal rule is a great example of how these rigid rules don’t match the flow of European traffic. It’s like the system is constantly fighting the environment instead of working with it.
Enhance’s products seem like a great workaround for regaining control and making the driving experience smoother. Have you found that setup to be reliable long-term? And do you think Tesla could ever strike a balance between following the rules and being practical in EU traffic? Would love to hear more of your insights!
EAP and FSD are limited due to EU regulations. But there are so many bugs in Tesla software which makes it unusable. Got FSD in 2019 (had AP before in a 2014 M S). and EAP in 2023. Bugs bugs bugs, its not worth a cent and Tesla does not care. Even std AP has so many bugs like wrong speed sign recognition, no longer setting speed to speed signs, phantom braking, hugging left lane (illegal here), driving like a drunk swaying away from trucks, driving too much left and risking an accident with incoming traffic. Lots of work for Tesla, but they simply dont care about customers outside of the US. Rain ? bing/bong no FSD, tall side wall on the road bong/bing no FSD. Autopark ? What a joke it was the last ten 10years. Stanying 1m away from the car was too much and the car stopped after just 10m max. A small 4cm bump, car stopped. Took several times to engage due to connection errors. All fun if it was free, but that hefty price for nothing (for how many years now ?) Car still runs with 100kph into a city (50 is the limit), thats illegal. It got worse since 2019, got 6 wrong speed settings in 5km of my home, was 9 3 years ago, hey, what an improvement. No, after all these years other cars can do basic things much better
Your experience underscores the challenges Tesla drivers face with FSD/EAP in the EU due to regulatory restrictions and software bugs.
Tesla’s Autopilot stack is indeed constrained by European regulations that cap certain functionalities and require more driver interventions. While some owners find incremental improvements over time, others-like you-highlight persistent issues such as faulty speed sign recognition, phantom braking, and lane-positioning errors. The global rollout approach often prioritizes the U.S. market, and that can leave international users feeling overlooked. Ultimately, each owner has to decide if these limitations are worth the price. Thank you for sharing your detailed feedback-it’s valuable for anyone evaluating Tesla’s driver-assist systems, especially in the EU.
switzerland has finally signed off on self autonomous driving cars on the road in march 2025- first european country i am aware of that does this!
That's some amazing news! Hopefully it will snowball further...
good points, but you don't have to wait till your offered to overtake, you can just do it earlier... I know personally doing this with EAP on 2018 s. It is definitatly not perfect, I just ignore the suggestions and just initiate them myself without disabling EAP. Problem I had is if I initiate to early when a car is in the way, then it can abort and fail. I also found I can excellerate to slot in to other traffic so that I don't have to be so far away from the slower car.
Your depending too much on it telling you to overtake or turn back in... just read the road and do it yourself, and you don't have to disable AP, I also use the + or 1 nudging to speed up etc.
I found it worked, keeping in lanes and changing lanes also in low fog visiblity... was very useful for long journies... once exepting the limitiations and understanding its not Auto piolot :)
You're definitely correct, I just don't see the value of EAP if you change lanes by yourself and have to provide multiple inputs regardless. Hopefully FSD comes here soon and puts these imperfections to rest :D
@@robotinreallife Yep agreed, keeping fingers crossed, peerhaps it might 1 day be worth even upgrading to full FSD but defo not now. I didn't buy EAP, just got 2nd hand car with it, so use it now for what its good at, and those long boring roads really are less tiring now.
let’s hope for the 2025…. but I think that some dumb german lawmaker will mess it up….
More than likely... but let's hope! Where are you hoping from? :D
Same behavior in the Netherlands. EAP does not anticipate well in slower upcoming traffic. Lane changes will not work when it is moderately busy and want humongous gaps between cars. Speed limits are not recognized correctly and luckily the car is not auto changing speed limits on highway because that would be even a worse experience. It picks up speed limits that do not apply to cars and picks up speed limits for other (parallell) tracks...
I'm a 2018 Model S HW3 owner and actually IMHO EAP hasn't updated for many years and when I bought the car the nagging was less and gave a better experience....
You're exactly right! We'll just have to wait for FSD for the system to get better. Thanks a lot for your reporting and confirmation!
EAP/AP in Europe is crap. But it is not necessary to nag the steering wheel in the direction you want to change lane to. It's just safer to do so and hold the steering wheel in the direction of lane change as most of the lane change has to be completed within five seconds. If EAP takes too long to initiate the lane change it could happen at any time that it moves back to where it has come from. So it's safer to keep the wheel held in the direction I want to go.
Totally agree-EAP/AP in Europe can feel like a compromise compared to what’s available elsewhere. Interesting point about holding the steering wheel during lane changes; it makes sense that it adds an extra layer of safety, especially if the system takes too long to initiate the maneuver.
Have you noticed any specific scenarios where this delay causes problems? Or do you find holding the wheel solves most of these issues? Would love to hear more about your experience!
@ Holding the steering wheel in the direction of the initiated lane change does not make it any better. But I am an experienced Autobahn driver for more than 30 years, I've had Mercedes TACC when it was branchbanking new in an E-Class back in 2002 and I can very well anticipate the right moment for when to set the indicator to initiate a lane change before the Tesla would start slowing down behind the next car in front. I'm so used to driving on Austrian and German Autobahn with EAP engaged that I automatically mitigate its flaws and shortcomings. I rarely get surprised by an unexpected reaction - works as desigend by the UNECE.
Which version of Tesla software does your Model 3 or Y have? My Model S 2017 has 2024.44.3.1 and this version seems to not slow down that aggressively when an overtake manouevre is already initiated. But it still wait's until the lane change is completed before accelerating (in case I got stock behind a slower car and was riding their speed).
Thank you so much for sharing your 30+ years of Autobahn driving experience! It’s impressive how you handle both Mercedes TACC and Tesla’s EAP systems so smoothly. Your ability to anticipate lane changes and mitigate EAP’s quirks really shows your expertise and makes for a safer drive.
We always include the Tesla software version in our video descriptions, so thanks for pointing that out. It’s great to hear about your Model S 2017 with version 2024.44.3.1 and how it handles overtaking differently. Your insights on setting indicators at the right moment are super helpful and will definitely benefit others in the community.
Thanks again for your tips and for contributing your knowledge. If you have any more advice or experiences to share, we’d love to hear them. Safe driving on the Autobahn!
I think in Europe most people speed, by at least 10Kph. I think it is very annoying if a FSD car tires to overtake while trying to keep to the speed limit.
That is weird. I have a US Tesla model Y, and I've never seen my car perform such dangerous maneuvers. but since regular autopilot can't change lanes on it's own, it's much safer. But I only have regular autopilot and FSD. I stopped my FSD subscription because I mostly drive on highways anyway and FSD would only help in about 10% of the entire trip, so not worth it. But it looks like the Tesla you were riding was maybe on old software?
Yeah, EU self driving is gonna be killed by regulations.
Workaround in S3XY commander which automatically engage autopilot 3sec after stalk off. So, Drive on AP - to engage takeover - Stalk - turning the weel disables AP to Cruise, get in the speeding lane - disengage stalk - AP automatically engages in the lane you are after 3 sec. Same to get back.
Was sceptical but after I drove the whole Czechia like that - it's easy and intuitive.
S3XY products really make this a lot better!
Hello,
Does the car from this test run, (which is produced in 2021) have HW3 with Intel MCU or HW3 with AMD MCU?
Thanks
I think it's still Intel because of not being able to put fullscreen visualisations on... but not sure, my friend. The car has been already sold :D
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So some parts of the world is NOT yet using current HW 4 v20 (joke) updates using AI and video clips but instead this video demonstrated the past scripted codes in C++ written by USA programmers who doesn’t understand how to drive in euro roads.
Although the more international users drives their teslas in their local regions the better data neutral network collect, the faster AI can learn and adapt to rules of roads in various countries once Tesla unleashes Version 20 in those various regions. If Government permitted it.
Exactly! Just one small correction - we're already on v13 in the US which is something like 500 % better than even v12. Just astonishing progress, of which Europe is enjoying nothing right now :D It's going to be absolutely mind blowing once we switch from the current system to actual FSD literally overnight.
Great explanation. Can you guys try the new summon feature with its limits in Europe ecc. ? Anyways, q1 2025 is close, FSD will probably arrive…
Thanks for the kind words! We’re definitely planning to test the new Summon feature and its quirks in Europe-especially with all the restrictions here, it’ll be interesting to see how it performs. 🚗🔍
As for Q1 2025, fingers crossed! If FSD really arrives in Europe by then, it could change the game, but I wonder-do you think it'll roll out with full functionality, or will it still face limitations due to EU regulations? Let us know your thoughts!
@robotinreallife Great to hear that you are gonna push the limits of Summon. Talking about my thoughts on FSD, well, i think that if they manage to release it here, then it'll be at its finest as it is in the US. Such a complex system that performs 100% of the driving tasks can't be bothered with strange nags. Just vision-based attention monitoring will be accepted as sufficient by regulators if they let Tesla release the software.
I've tried the new "Actually Smart Summon" feature (also in CZ with HW3 2020 M3) and it's completely useless. It doesn't start unless you're closer than 6 meters from the car (more like 3 meters realistically) and it moves like 1 meter towards you at best. :D Granted, I only tried it on my driveway, which is pretty restricted in space, but the car couldn't even get to a close proximity of a 10cm high "curb". It stopped like 1,5-2 meters from any obstacle it saw.
@Tobisss123 true. Also, i've noticed that it can rarely happen that some curbs are not well interpreted by AI, and during autopark it keeps going and would hit it with the rear extractor, forcing me to pause autopark in these scenarios. Tbh though, it is extremely, extremely rare, but it happened a couple of times.
Thanks for this video. I drive a M3 highland in Germany and The Netherlands and was considering upgrading to EAP or even FSD. Not so much anymore after seeing this.
Knowing what my car is capable of, especially now on v13.2 it's frustrating how stupid AP behaves. I don't get why Tesla doesn't roll out FSD but restricts it to lane keep + acc only. Or with lange change added for EAP users.
Looking forward to your next video.
You're welcome German neighbour! Like I mentioned in another reply, it's a real dilemma - on one hand, the features are far from being worth the money today, but when we finally get FSD they might charge even more for it to reward the early adopters and price it "accordingly" to its incredible value.
I hope the only reason they aren't releasing it like you suggested is their high confidence in successful rollout really really soon. As far as official info is concerned, FSD should be approved and released in early 2025...
Thank the Germans for not allowing FSD. If Tesla wanted to, they would already have, but old sluggish rules from Germany prevent it being allowed in Europe.
@@robotinreallife the one good thing is it was TESLA saying Q1 FSD for Europe , not Elon, so it might Actually be True… it seems like Elon has been less active on promising crazy stuff lateley and just let The official Tesla channel handle the Communication…
idk maybe its still elon behind the Tweets and he just doesnt want people memeing on the Timeline.
@@lolfreakwaca4328 Good point, yes, that's also a bullish sign for FSD in my opinion :D I don't think it's him tweeting from the official Tesla X account.
I don't understand why even making this video, you should just talk about the regulations, it's not their fault if European laws make the system much more dangerous
Why we're making these videos is indeed a good question! The point is to showcase the absurd difference between European and US Tesla FSD capabilities. Furthermore, the plan is to later, with these failures as a benchmark, showcase how amazing and much more capable FSD is.
You're absolutely right that Tesla is not the one to blame, however, that still doesn't provide a good argument for why they're not at least giving us the intelligence level of FSD with the crippling regulations of EU which would still be better than 4+ years old Autopilot software.
I suspect and hope that the only reason is efficiency and that should mean that FSD is coming no matter what, just a bit later, in the exact way it's running now in the US.
@robotinreallife They simply can't. Because Tesla self driving capabilities are based on neural network AI models, they don't have the finer control required to implement those EU regulations for self driving cars. For example the EU defines how to overtake, an overtake should be completed in a limited timeframe and if the car is not able to do so and the timer expires in the middle of the manoeuvre the car need to complete the manoeuvre only if 3 of 4 wheels have crossed the middle lanes otherwise the car need to go back to the previous lane. These regulations don't make any sense at all, self driving cars should just follow the already existing road code rules. So basically they will never do major changes to the EU autopilot until the laws change and they can release FSD (or they get an exclusive approval to bypass the EU regulations)
Hopefully one way or another we will get FSD soon. With v13 rolling out in the US, it's game over for anyone else pursuing autonomy. Except China maybe. But that's another story. Regulators just can't ignore the insane performance of FSD.
Looks like it's set up for failiure tho.. Set the distance setting to as close as possible and also change the lange change setting in the menu to mad max and it works much better. You can also initiate lane change on your own, that way you get your own timing on it. Sadly the eu world police will prob ruin fsd for Europe like so many other things :(
Thanks a lot for these tips! Will utilize those in the next Enhanced Autopilot test for sure!
same here, I love Tesla i Love my model Y but i can't believe it's the same car as the american, I'm in Europe and the car is just dangerous in autopilote i have the enhanced Autopilote and want to buy the FSD but it's a non sens here... it's just a great stay in the line and sometimes it doesn't even do that .... when i have a curve it slow down dangerously at 120 on highway i can't go to 60 just for a curve .... tesla is not listening to us ... they just annonce great great stuff for USA only .... such a pain for me i love the brand love the car it was my dream car it's still ( model X) but i'm just sad to have a great car who is nothing better than a clio2 ..... i couldn't believe the FSD really work that great when i see the autopilot on europe maybe american road are way easier than européen
Thanks for sharing your experience! It’s definitely frustrating to have such a fantastic car and feel like it’s being held back by the limitations in Europe. The slowing down for curves at highway speeds is a real pain-it’s one of those quirks that makes Autopilot feel far less refined here compared to the U.S.
But there’s hope! Tesla has mentioned they’re aiming for a Q1 2025 release for FSD in Europe, which could finally unlock the system’s full potential. Fingers crossed that it delivers the same seamless experience we see in the U.S. What’s the first thing you’d test if FSD arrives in Europe? Let’s keep hoping for a breakthrough soon!
Incorrect information.
You just have to hold the wheel and hold a small pressure on other the left out right direction.
No need to do it in the direction you want to move.
And if you always hold a small pressure, it is always ready.
Been using it in Denmark for 4 years :)
But I agree with almost everything else 😅 Great video 😃
Thanks so much for the clarification! We are still learning how to use these tools :) Will do better next time!
but FSD is banned by EUROPE that is why.
You're absolutely right-FSD isn't allowed in Europe yet, and that's due to the strict UNECE regulations. But it’s not banned forever; Tesla is working on adapting the system to meet these requirements. Fingers crossed that we’ll see it here soon!
What do you think-will Europe eventually loosen the regulations, or will Tesla have to make big changes to get FSD approved? Would love to hear your thoughts!
@@robotinreallife I hope I will see that in 2025
Let's keep our fingers crossed! A few days remaining...
It is important that we all in Europe wait for the correct FSD auto pilot which will come to Europe within the near future hopefully 2025 so please stop putting all these videos suggesting that auto pilot doesn’t work. It’s limited in Europe.
Absolutely, Donovan! We're actually huge fans of FSD and can't wait for it to arrive in Europe-hopefully sooner rather than later. The whole point of these videos is to highlight the current challenges so that when FSD finally gets here, it can shine even brighter without these limitations holding it back.
Have FSD for the last three years and yes its crazy to see that te USA is way ahead with FSD and not the rest of the world however there are lwas for each countries and we maynot agree with it all but it´s what it is. however I love using FSD not in Sweden dispite the problem.
have you set lane change to Mad Max in the settings? then it suggests it more often.
why do you always wait until the car suggests a lane change? just signal when you want to change, you don't have to wait 🤷♀️
the rest is unfortunately the fault of the UNECE rules..
It works really good here in Austria.. Just don't wait until it slows down, change it before it does. Use it properly
But yes, we have old software and no AI.. And I don't believe we will get it next year.. They will not allow it because european manufacturers are way behind
Which genius thought of adding the turn signal that close to the camera? I can imagine it's not great that the image is changing every time you turn on your turn signal...
This was an issue they updated over the air in the States, not sure why it wasn't updated in EU yet... The supply chain changed the housing too, so the LED isn't occluding the image with light pollution anymore as well.
That's a great point! I think it's been solved in HW4, this is an older Tesla after all...
@JakeCybertreks looks like they really really don't have the EU high in their list of priorities :D hopefully that changes whenever FSD comes here...
I find it funny That you get upset for everyone that is driving over 130 kilometers per hour while in Germany it is very common for people to drive 200 or 300 kmh I think autopilot would have had even more difficulties in Germany
Yeah well you have the Autobahn without speed limits, here the rules are pretty strict :D or do you mean that people are driving 200 or 300 when there's a speed limit? Jesus...
@@robotinreallife no of course if there is a speed limit most people follow the speed limit but on most of the autobahn there is no speed limit
That's what I thought! Well that's a lot different than having a limit of 130 km/h and most Czech drivers in old veteran cars doing 160...
I cant cruise at 260 km/h with autopilot on... kinda sucks
Looks like someone is trying to speedrun life, lol.
Thank you for reporting your experience with us! That's so strange to see Enhanced Autopilot in Europe works so worse in comparison with US autopilot. I know the Full Self Driving isn't available in Europe right now. But changing lanes is so basic in the FSD and should be almost the same as in Europe as in US, I'm shocked of bad behaviour of Enhanced Autopilot in Europe.
What I see in the video this worse behavior might be because of EU regulations, you mentioned: to make two actions to really change a lane.
Thanks for your thoughts, Alexey! It really is surprising how Enhanced Autopilot (EAP) behaves so differently in Europe compared to the US. Lane changing is a great example-it feels like such a basic function, yet the EU's stricter regulations make it much more cumbersome. Having to confirm lane changes twice, with both the turn signal and a steering nudge, is definitely a hurdle.
You're absolutely right that these differences largely come down to EU regulations prioritizing constant driver engagement, which can make even basic maneuvers feel awkward. If FSD finally arrives in Europe, do you think these rules will change, or will Tesla have to adapt FSD even further for the EU market? Curious to hear your take!
@@robotinreallife I don't think FSD will be really useful without democratizing EU regulations for car AI.