How Martine Rose Influenced Balenciaga & Demna Gvasalia
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- In today's video I talk about the influence of Martine Rose in today's menswear scene. From her time as a fashion consultant for Balenciaga menswear shows for 3 years to how she influenced Demna Gvasalia's Vetements, Kim Jones' Dior & Virgil Abloh's Louis Vuitton & Off-White & her collaboration with Nike. I also touch on her time at Fashion East with Lulu Kennedy.
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Like you said, Demna was a huge fan of Martine even before he started Vetements and he said he was directly inspired by her for the label, he even got to meet her before he started Vetements, so him taking her to Balenciaga was like him paying it forwards. I think he respects her as the originator of the modernisation of menswear as fashion, but yeah, like you said, she didnt see any real finances until after he work was widely credited to Demna, which is a shame rly, but I like she is getting her flowers a bit now with the Louis Vuitton rumours
I really hope she gets the gig at Louis Vuitton, it would just be the icing on the cake.
@@FashionRoadman I could see her or Grace getting it. Martine coould continue with what theyre doing profitably now, whereas I think Grace will be a huge shake up to her aesthetic, and I think it'll be really exciting (I don't thik telfar will tak eit because hes been so much about making his product afforable)
I used to go to her sample sales in london back in the day and considering how few of the designers are left from that golden age of london menswear it makes me so proud to see that she is finally getting wider recognition
Omg those were iconic sample sales, probably not great for her financially but really good for the consumers that can’t afford retail
@@FashionRoadman Really they were, the Martine signature t-shirts were only £15 and I regret not getting one so bad, but I got a shocking amount of fabric for PENNIES and the trance in Amsterdam t-shirt which I still own and love to this day
She is the one that I was rooting for in replacing Virgil as the creative director for LV menswear so this is a pleasant surprise that you have made a video profiling Martine Rose again great video Fashion Roadman❤️❤️❤️
thanks for watching!
I feel like Martine Rose’s work has that level of oddity and humor that would be applied to LV menswear and balenciaga and prior to vetements. Reworking menswear to make it imaginative and interesting with an edge takes a lot more work than with womenswear because most men are still not to apt to show a lot of skin as a cop out, and shout out to black women in fashion ✨
Fashion is like the physical version of TikTok, everyone eats off the original idea besides the creator
Keep up the great work
Thank you so much! Trying my best.
My kinda content 🤩 glad you appeared on my home page!
been wishing you since >10k, congrats on how far you’ve pushed this channel!
Thank you so much! It's honestly insane to think about for me.
Super informative and engaging video!! Thank you so much!
It’s crazy to me how someone go unnoticed for so long
It's insane, even till today so many people still don't know about her
Yoo...thank you for making this.
I loooooove Martine Rose. I love her sense of humour. Fashion East is so crucial. It’s bizarre that somewhere as overwhelmingly important in menswear history is hostile I guess to menswear fashions in now times. I’m glad so many menswear designers show on regular LFW schedules now. Whether one attends or not, their work gets online immediately to be seen. Even with its menswear history and strict Savile Row traditions holding sway in place areas, London shows more than any other fashion week city that gender is a construct and people just like interesting clothes. (Ik there’s also a mens LFW now too, it just seems like the best/most interesting newer designers show on the regular schedule.)
Another banger
You're my favourite fashion channel👍👍👍👍 thanks for the great insights
I really enjoyed this video thank u
this was so insightful!!! great vid
Martine and Grace are it for me!
make a Thebe Magugu video
bruv please id on the shirt if possible another banger video btw!
Her story reminds us of another designer the world is soon to discover!
Nice vid!
It's so crazy cus on showstudio everybody love her, and i didnt see that much of appeal compared to grace wales, but looking back those first balenciaga collections are the best. Also hope she gets the lv job like finally we can have another good british designer in a french house
I hope she gets it too, we will just have to wait and see
Not sure if you’re aware of this, but having shows in unorthodox liminal spaces such as Subways or cafés is a thing pretty much pioneered by Martin Margiela, so definitely not something originally Martine Rose. I also think Margiela’s clear influence on Martine can’t be discounted either
I definitely agree with you, I’ve made many videos on Vetements and always mention Margiela’s influence. Not sure if you noticed but I also mentioned that he’s influenced by Margiela in this video as well. This video is specifically focusing on Martine Rose and hence I was mainly talking about the parallels between her and demna. He is definitely inspired by Martine but that doesn’t mean it is his sole inspiration which for some strange reason seems to be the conclusion that people have come to in the comments despite me mentioning some of his other influences in the video.
I see the aesthetic of Vetements as a mix match between Margiela, Martine Rose, Soviet Georgia, Slavic Styles, Balkan Style, Belgian references and more - all mixed and merged into one to create an entirely new aesthetic.
Margiela is one of, if not her top favourite designers so hardly surprising!!
Great video! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
6:00 I need to see how that looks on bodies
It was interesting what you were saying about London taking so long to find a place for menswear - I feel like in the UK there’s still a culture of men not really caring about what they wear. I was in Paris recently and there were soooo many menswear boutiques, probably at least as many as womenswear. And you could just tell that men walking down the street in France put more effort into their outfits
Totally agree, the average man in the UK really couldn't care less about how they look. They look scruffy and don't even iron their clothes. However, I do enjoy going to work and seeing people suited and booted but apart from that the range of mens fashion in London is lacking. I think Italian men are the most stylish from what i've seen.
great video i enjoyed it
Another important designer I didn't know existed...
Well on the bright side now you know
Amazing video
Hi! Loved the video and absolutely love your content! Interest to know where did you get Lulu's quote about Martine Rose being a pioner? Could you post the link of the interview on the comments? Currently doing a uni presentation about her work! It would help me a lot
just found it on Vogue Business! Thanks anyway
All true
One thing about Ayo he’s gonna ride for Martine Rose😅 I’m a huge fan of Martine, she’s one of my fav designers. I do think the namesake brand has gone down a little, it’s gotten stale imo. but I’m still a fan nonetheless.
Haha, I gotta keep ridin until she gets her dues
Just please not JWA to LV. Either Grace, Martine, or even Telfar/Kirby/Ross is okay. Someone more connected with the youth.
Great video but coming from someone Jamaican.you kinda missed the ball at 1:02 while talking about Martine’s Jamaican heritage lol.I guess I expected some Passa Passa reggae dancehall clips from the 90s or just some Jamaican club vibes showcasing the culture.. but instead we got an archived video sweaty yt kids violently squirming in a club?? I mean I guess
That video is a garage rave which is one of the main inspirations of her work. How did I miss the ball?
@@FashionRoadman I think he means that a clip of a house rave would have been more fitting! The clip you used looks like a really hardcore techno party, I was raving in the 90’s so I know what the parties looked like! This one looks really full on and probably not the kind of parties she and her cousins were going to……. She’s more influenced by reggae and proper raving (ie a more friendly,stylish party) you did a good job giving her the credit and exposure she deserves, than you! And I’m sure she appreciates the acknowledgment !
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It’s only when Martine’s influence would be visible at H&M orZara that she would be of any fashion relevance. It’s not because Demna likes her that men all over the world would like to look like his or her models. It’s a niche influence, don’t be fooled. Fake fashion. She changed men’s fashion? On which planet?
I wouldn't be bragging about having influenced Balenciaga, a crap brand if there ever was one...
Respectfully I disagree.
Love the facts ! There's a showstudio video about Martine Rose and one panel member keeps saying her collections look like an off brand vetements.....little do they know ...
Yeah that take is horrific tbh when you consider she inspired Vetements haha
Wow, thank you for this video! My jaw has dropped. The fact that a Black woman (mixed but nonetheless Black) has been like the template of menswear this whole time is WILD but unsurprising. I think this also plays a large role in why she wasn’t rated the same as others. Definitely could see her at LV.
At Last: a black woman in fashion at a level of excellence. it took a long long time but it was sure to happen eventually. Well done Martine Rose.
is that color in your clothes????
It just might be haha
👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼Mrs. Rose is definitely one of the main originators of today’s fashion
THIS IS IMPORTANT!! Crazy that I never knew any of this, and although I’m late, I’ve been a fan of Martine since early 2018, and even own a couple very nice pieces (she’s in my current top 5)…I really believed that Demna was the originator of the boxy oversized aesthetic…glad to see that he reached back to help who inspired him, which lead to the true birth of Rose’s career…I hate to think like this, but it makes me question: is the industry that racist to a point where they show a lack of acknowledgment to talented black designers, or is the industry such a hack that your own originality can seem like your tagging along to a trend you created….regardless, I’m glad she is finally getting her shine and doing what she loves to do…a true testament and inspiration for me to stick to my dream
All I can say is at least Demna stretched his hand out and helped her become successful. Would’ve been far worse if he didn’t.
What are your current top 5 designers? Used to be into fashion especially a huge fan of Martin rose back in 2018 always wanted one of her pieces. I asked because I’m trying to come back into fashion been out of the loop for a while.
@@kevk4908 No order really:
-Martine Rose
-JW Anderson (for his own brand, and also Loewe)
-Matthew Williams (know he gets hate but, he has that late 90s min feel to me)
-Glenn Martens (Y/Project)
-Jonny Johansson (Acne Studios)
(Honorable mentions: Samuel Ross, Alexandre Mattiussi)
@@qhoffa9568 I like your list, I'm also a huge fan of JW Anderson stuff, as well as Mathhew Williams works. I've heard and seen some of Glenn Martens works but never knew he was the designer for Y/Project. Same with Acne Studios never knew the designer was Jonny Johansson I pretty much just peeped the clothes more than the person behind designing the clothes and implementing it into the runway.
@@qhoffa9568 My bad for the constant replies but how do you stay current on what's currently occurring in the fashion scene? I used to stay informed by using platforms such as vogue and also youtube. Since the recent spike in podcast, there have probably been numerous different sources to stay updated on what's currently happening in fashion.
thank you for this. I hadn't realized she was the one behind my favorite version of balenciaga. her cuts and patterns just work for me. way ahead of her time I hope she continues to grow and get the recognition she deserves.
Martine Rose SS20 Review - th-cam.com/video/-clsMdViyyU/w-d-xo.html
The Cutting Room Floor Martine Rose Interview By Recho Omondi - open.spotify.com/episode/0f9wnLTnvUsdQQAEhm0FjI?si=34162f8c98c4432b
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Lyst is great for that sort of thing if you don’t already use it, found some on sale from italist :)
Working for LV I really am excited if she ends up here !!
I hope she gets the role
@@FashionRoadman same . I just had all my co-workers watch this video
I found her story inspiring! I hope she continues to get her flowers 💐. It’d be incredible to see her at LV
Probably the Best Designer in the World🖤🇯🇲🇬🇧
I remember watching one of your earlier videos (I think it was a closet tour), you showed that nike shirt and that's how I got into Martine Rose!! always love your insight and knowledge
Yes! I made that video quite a while ago, you have a great memory.
the recho omondi and martine rose interview is one of my favorites
Top notch video, the insertions of her speaking to that audience was perfect. Such an inspiring story
love your videos!
Thanks a lot!
Thank u for this vid!
Such a great video
Heyy I am a fashion student, LOVE your videos and do learn a lot from you. Just wanna ask that do you have a podcast also? Thxx
I have a podcast on my Patreon but that's about it. Maybe one day when I have more time I can create another podcast.
I just feel like vetements is SO MUCH MORE than just "oversized" stuff, i saw your comment on seth fowlers (which ik is 4 years old) and saw you said Demna stole her aesthetic, when in reality Vetements is much bigger than "big clothes", especiall ss19. Calling demnas work a ripoff is really reductive IMO
that being said, i dont think Balenciagas menswear gets any better than when Martine was there, so there is a lot of credit to be found there. Its just a shame that her label doesnt make anything i find AS interesting.
I don't know what video you are referring to but I have covered Demna's work extensively on this channel - Here's an example: th-cam.com/video/BTDG08qKz1c/w-d-xo.html
Here's another example: th-cam.com/video/ZwnFko13Szs/w-d-xo.html
And Another: th-cam.com/video/i1HOeHMjB5o/w-d-xo.html
And Another: th-cam.com/video/jrYI-JVH8IA/w-d-xo.html
You get the point...
Two things can be true. I can appreciate Demna's body of work but at the same time critique parts of it that I think are afforded too much praise or other's like in the case of this video where he gets credit for ideas that are not entirely his.
Regardless, i've always expressed liking Demna's work.
Thanks for the insight!
The rave footage shown at the beginning looks like a scene from the Dutch Gabber scene in the 90s. It looks like a similar scene is slowly starting to pop up in London at the moment. The music is slightly different but it has the same counter cultural energy about it.
Great video! Do you think she’ll get the LV position? 🙏🏼
I don’t know of course but I hope she does
no its already given out by a man. I forgot his name. deuxmoi posted it. they are keeping it on the low
@@ericamanser1190 interesting 🤔
@@ericamanser1190 oh shit! Really? I’m hoping that having the exposure she’s had being in the running for LV will mean that she will get a better offer, ie with a fashion house that she’s into! I know she’s not ‘into’ LV, she’s more margiela or similar!
It was her sister who loved jpg and Pam Hogg etc and one of her biggest style icons is Mark E Smith…….. you didn’t mention that she is inspired by 80’s post punk!
Every time I saw her clothes and try them on, I smile
Chalk farm. Aaaaah I missed it.
Thank you for this video 💕
Always 🔥🔥🔥👍🎉
Superb
Everyone gets mad at Virgil but it truly shows that marketing is king in fashion case and point Martin rose
Marketing is a very key skill that many people overlook. I don't think people consider how sophisticated Virgil's marketing strategies were.