In some versions of the myth, Höder the blind god, is also Balder's brother. And Frigg got every thing on the earth, in the water and the sky to promise not to hurt Balder, but the mistletoe was an exception because it grows in a tree, never touching the earth, water or sky.
Himani Yadav well, it's the only parasitic plant we have. In many stories the mistletoe is made into an arrow, so I guess that's why a tree-growing fungi didn't work either.
I'm surprised Mike didn't cover Mesopotamia during this episode. The Sumerians practically invented the archetype, whether it's the death and resurrection of the Queen of Heaven, Inana, her husband, the shepherd-god Dumuzi, Dumuzi's sister, the vine-goddess Geshtinanna, the cthonic-god Ningishzida, or half a dozen others.
Hey, so I'm a pretty big fan of this show; I watch it every week. That said, I would like to offer some critical commentary that i hope will be taken constructively: Simply calling Corn Mother "Native American" is homogenizing at best and essentialist at worst. Her story belongs to the Penobscot and Abenaki peoples, and they deserve to be recognized for their distinct mythos as much as the Romans, Norse or Greek do. Moreover, that story does not exist in the vast majority of Indigenous North American mythologies, and to suggest that it is very widespread misleads the audience.
Exactly! Also the stereotypic animation showing tipis🙄. Seriously! If you're going to give a crash course to the world. You can at least do a little research on the proper dwellings.
I read that Persephone had a deal with Aphrodite to share Adonis, and Aphrodite broke the deal by stealing Adonis when it was 'her turn' so Persephone basically said 'if I can't have him no one can' and then sent the boar to kill Adonis.
I love the way Mike speaks. Sometimes SciShow hosts can sound...a little...like they're trying too hard. And by that I mean they sound like they're reading. I know Mike is reading from a TelePrompTer but he pauses...and breathes... He's very dynamic and I feel like he cares about the material and wants us to understand. Way to be, dude.
Rz Mty Wtf is this thok, and how have I missed it? Ohh...oh. You kids and your new terms. Thokk? No, doesn't work for me. I'll stick to other euphemisms, thanks, lol. 😅
I heard a variation on the Baulder myth. That the one who would not cry was Thor, who just could not bring himself to. He was too manly. Essentially, it was a proto-Chuck Norris joke, with Thor standing in.
He was the god of fire light and magic. And he was only ever mentioned in the legends from Denmark, there is also some who believe that when Snurgleson wrote the Prose Edda he added Ragnerokk because there were Christian monks looking over his shoulder at the time. These myths changed from place to place and the gods changed with them. The Celts for instance named Thor, Thuror (Thursday) and Odin, Woden (Wednesday). While in the German tribes Thor was named Donar. Some here complain about all native Americans being lumped into one group, well the same complaint could be used against them for the Norse gods of the Asatru.
Okay, Cernunnos by modern interpretation is a dying god or the (Holly King in Wicca). He dies becoming the ghost who collects souls on Samhain till Yule when he transforms into the Sun King.
You come to me, eyes full of grief you ask of me to shed all my tears to let him return from kingdom of fears Why should I weep? or lose any sleep? He never brought me pleasure or glee so why would I help to set Balder free You come to me,eyes full of grief all of your tears mean nothing to me so why will you not just leave me to be am I to blame? Well, I'm not ashamed! Oh how I smiled when I heard the tale Of Loke the sly, so clever and brave Höder the fool,Lopt's willing tool he held the twig that cut Balder's skin Lopt aimed the shot that killed Höder's twin leave me alone don't come here and moan I've never wished to see Balder's well so let his soul remain down in hel My name is Töck and I won't cry I won't let Balder return Let hel keep her treasured prize let his soul forever burn You come to me and cannot believe that this old crow now talking to you is Loke not Töck you bloody dawn fools you come to me and you do not see all of your tears mean nothing to me why will you not just leave me to be My name is Töck,and I won't cry I won't let Balder return Let hel keep her treasured prize let his soul forever burn
What about Osiris? isn't he a dying god? Also, as to the story of Baldr, I've heard versions that don't include Thokk, and it is in fact Loki who straight up won't cry for Baldr. And oh my gods you're doing Trickster Gods next! Ahhhh, I'm so excited! Here's to Anansi, Hermes, Coyote, and Loki! (Loki may be the worst but he makes for some great stories) And Eris, maybe? I know she's technically a goddess of discord, but I can't think of any other female tricksters. WHERE MY TRICKSTER GODDESSES AT?
This makes me think of "The Elder Scrolls" Franchise; in its mythology, ten gods came together to create the world. One dies before the job is completed, eight give up their full power so that they can become the "bones of Nirn", which is the world in which those games are set, and the last one, who happened to be the architect of it all, leaves the completed project, tearing a hole in the sky through which all light and magic comes from, the sun, followed by his children, depicted in the lore as angels, who also leave holes behind, all very smaller than their parent's and of varrying sizes, which became the stars. Neat, huh?
Yaume Lepire That's because TES gods' lore was inspired by mythology on gods. Just like most fictional story that delve itself on gods. Lovecraft might be an exception, but I'm not sure.
Hazzmati, Not really... sure it can be confusing at times but it's fairly understandable... Have you seen the Shoddycast's lore series of the franchise? It's a really good way to dive head-first into its lore, as you might expect. It talks about gods, myths, the places and the races and even of individual characters at times, like Ulfric Stormcloack, or the Tribunal of Morrowind.
Odin stabbed himself with his own spear, not sword. And Loki isn't the worst. He's actually pretty useful in helping the gods out, and he once helped a man who was being chased by a giant.
Tell Me This There are so many great series(es?) done by Crash Course, whether you're interested in History, Science, Philosophy, or anything else. Definitely check the rest of their stuff out!
It's interesting to see the (admitedly limited but obvious) similiarities between the corn mother myth with the indonesian dewi sri myth, both are beautiful and loved godesses, and both died to create a staple of the people, as dewi sri is said to be the origin of rice. Though that would be where the similiarities end, since the corn mother is a mother figure, while dewi sri is a daughter of batara guru (indonesian syncretic version of shiva). And she died because by her father's hand because it is feared that the other gods would break into a fight for her hand in marriage.
This is great! The correlations to specific historic events and people's behaviors are the what make the information stick. Like relating myths of sacrifice to a higher mortality rate of women during childbirth. Also, perhaps organizing the myths by location and timeframe, rather than by themes, would be helpful at times.
8:08-8:13 "[she] saved the native American people from starvation" I cannot believe she features in all the religions raging from Alaska, USA, to Fireland [aka Tierra del Fuego], Argentina.
There is also the funny-story Horus intended to encourage humans to believe in his super-existence after, he moved to Sumer, (unbelievability discouraged him from reusing it)-He purported permission from Ra to kill Seth, and paraded a corpse/effigy with a spear stuck in it, before Seth returned soon after-for Isis had tricked his own birth with dead-Osiris....
Great video! Balder was the manifestation of all the “good” in the Norse tradition - principles of honor, honesty and bravery. The Gods became too cocky and deemed themselves invincible, which is when Loki, whose true function is to bring about change, showed them how wrong they were. Thus, all these foundational principles of the Norse tradition mentioned above literally went to hell, I.e became useless, not needed. And although everyone was ready to bring them back, Loki as he always does, went too far.
Mythology question, hoping you can answer this. Why did underworlds/afterlives sometimes share the names of their rulers, such as Hel or Hades? I actually cannot think of any other examples but I'm sure they're out there (if they are, lemme know). Thanks.
“Birth is interlaced with Death” That’s why Thanatos and Hypnos are twins, Hypnos represents sleep. Sleep is basically rebirth and Thanatos is Thanatos (Death)
I don't know if anyone else has already pointed this out, but Loki is Hell's father. Maybe not the best father ever, but isn't it possible that may have gone some way to motivate him as well? It's always struck me that this may have had a small effect.
Obligatory note: The version of Baldr death involving Loki comes for the later Prosaic Edda, which includes some heavily Christianized ideas (like turning Baldr in Christ like figure, who will be rssurected after Ragnarok to lead humanity, and turning Loki in to, you guessed it, a devil like figure). So, depending on the version you read, no Loki is not the worse.
In Mapuche culture. There was a war between the oldest Pillan and their children, because they wanted to take their place. However, the younger generation had no chances of wining and they got killed and their remains were spread throughout the world, making craters that will later become lakes. The mothers cried rivers of tears for their children and Pu-Am decided to bring them back from the death in form of giant beasts but they had to stay in Nag Mapu (the land where we stand) or Miñche Mapu (the underworld), they weren't allowed to come back to Wenu Mapu (the spirit world). Two of those dead god children are the giant snakes Kai-Kai Vilu and Treng-Treng Vilu. Who are the best.
Haha, was about to comment and the one below basically said everything I was about to write 2 years ago. But I would have been a little lighter about it. These guys generally do a very good job. The particulars of Native American society and history always get short shrift, which is crazy, since it's super interesting and we have a lot of sources.
the 'native american people' mentioned with the first mother were the pawnee, according to my quicky wiki search, and algonquinish (sub groups_ - origin according to some other site. in case anyone was wondering which people it came from
I have come to the conclusion thst mike is seriously into some obscure metal. So far i have seen him make references to power metal, death metal and blavk metal.
I've been playing a lot of Skyrim and RuneScape lately, and I've noticed that both games sorta have the dying god archetype. Elder Scrolls has Lorkhan, and RuneScape has Guthix.
@Zoe Kouf the point is he says Greek myth or norse in the video not European when talking of various European cultures. We indigenous of the Americas deserve the same attention to detail.
I love it how everything always comes back to “Because Loki is the worst.” Lol! He could be talking about any culture’s stories and “because Loki is the worst” would come up. 😂
For those interested in the subject of Jesus mythicism, I recommend the following books: Dr Richard Carrier- 'Proving History: Bayes' Theorem & The Quest For The Historical Jesus' (2012); 'On The Historicity Of Jesus' (2014). Dr Robert M. Price- 'The Incredible Shrinking Son Of Man' (2003); 'The Case Against The Case For Christ' (2010); David Fitzgerald- 'Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All' (2010); and 'Jesus: Mything In Action' (2016)
I'm also thinking back to biblical apologetics again with people saying "oh but look at all the similarities in the flood myths" but this is showing me just how many similarities there are in other completely different myths, namely completely nonbiblical archetypes like a dying god becoming a key part of the world (earth, sky, corn...). Most myths borrowed from each other, and the ones that didn't were just spawned from similar circumstances, like people living near flood regions typically having flood myths.
Hey Mike, to summarize a debate from the comments; could you try to remember to mention the specific Native American group these myths come from? I know you usually do, which is why many of us were surprised you didn't this time. Thanks!
I know they only have so much to cover in these episodes and so little time. But, I was hoping for an exploration on Dyonisus rather than Adonis - who is lesser known in Greeko-Roman mythology. Dyonisus actually has more correlation with the Jesus myths and is quite fascinating.
I have only ever heard of Othinn being stabbed with a spear, not a sword (that is, I believe, what it says in Hávamál, anyway). And in some versions he even carves the runes into the spear-shaft as he hangs.
The death of the greek god Pan is a story I think of when I think of Gods dying. It's kinda different than others where a fisherman I believe is just whispered that the great God has died. And then thats it. Death just kinda happens all of a sudden and thats that
"Venus, history's first black metal lyricist" xDDD "Thoth is more of a death secretary" ROFL Ah, Mike, you have the most quotable lines in this whole Crash Course, I will miss PBS Idea Channel, but I hope you will continue this Crash Course Mythology further, anyway, great episode on Dying Gods, but when can we do Destructive deities, devils and tricksters? I WANT THAT LUCIFER MYTHOLOGY, MAN.
Mahir hoo boy, Lucifer. That one could get messy. Western Christian cultural tradition, and generally assumed to be core to Christianity but not biblical and generally rejected by actual self-professed Christians of all types... or... kinda? I mean, Satan is a thing in Christianity. And there was that one bit about stars and a dragon that people bring up, but it was written in a highly symbolic dead genre similar to a political cartoon in words. Anyway, like I said.... messy.
Tobacco remains an important part to the beliefs of many First Nation people. It is central to many rites and votaries of the modern shamanic traditions.
First Mother's story is SO metal. She and Venus should make a black metal band together.
Zander Henzmayer hells yea
In some versions of the myth, Höder the blind god, is also Balder's brother. And Frigg got every thing on the earth, in the water and the sky to promise not to hurt Balder, but the mistletoe was an exception because it grows in a tree, never touching the earth, water or sky.
Maja N legit question: Was mistletoe the primary tree-growing substance in Scandinavia at that time?
with that said, Balder would've been easily killed with a coconut.
HOLD THE DOOR! HOLD THE DOOR! HOLD THE DOOR! HOLD THE DOOR... Höder... Höder...
Himani Yadav well, it's the only parasitic plant we have. In many stories the mistletoe is made into an arrow, so I guess that's why a tree-growing fungi didn't work either.
Lixnelsxn Nxrbert not really, coconuts are part of the coconut tree, which Frigg got to promise not to hurt her baby. :P
"Brutal. Venus. History's first black metal lyricist" 😂😂😂
Bible is more death metal.
@@The_Other_Ghost romans were around frist
Cassandra Kemara huh?
I'm surprised Mike didn't cover Mesopotamia during this episode. The Sumerians practically invented the archetype, whether it's the death and resurrection of the Queen of Heaven, Inana, her husband, the shepherd-god Dumuzi, Dumuzi's sister, the vine-goddess Geshtinanna, the cthonic-god Ningishzida, or half a dozen others.
Hey, so I'm a pretty big fan of this show; I watch it every week. That said, I would like to offer some critical commentary that i hope will be taken constructively: Simply calling Corn Mother "Native American" is homogenizing at best and essentialist at worst. Her story belongs to the Penobscot and Abenaki peoples, and they deserve to be recognized for their distinct mythos as much as the Romans, Norse or Greek do. Moreover, that story does not exist in the vast majority of Indigenous North American mythologies, and to suggest that it is very widespread misleads the audience.
Exactly! Also the stereotypic animation showing tipis🙄. Seriously! If you're going to give a crash course to the world. You can at least do a little research on the proper dwellings.
🌏🍫✊🍅🍆🌽🍁🍄🌵
Are the Abenaki people from Alaska? Sorry I just haven’t heard of them before
I always thought Adonis was mortal.
The Corn mother story is both heartbreaking and pretty gruesome.
That boar was not just any boar. It was Mars in disguise, jealous of the love Venus had for Adonis.
What a big douche this Mars
did you ever see mars and loki in the same room together?
He's the worst
Like he always is
I read that Persephone had a deal with Aphrodite to share Adonis, and Aphrodite broke the deal by stealing Adonis when it was 'her turn' so Persephone basically said 'if I can't have him no one can' and then sent the boar to kill Adonis.
I love the way Mike speaks. Sometimes SciShow hosts can sound...a little...like they're trying too hard. And by that I mean they sound like they're reading. I know Mike is reading from a TelePrompTer but he pauses...and breathes... He's very dynamic and I feel like he cares about the material and wants us to understand.
Way to be, dude.
Love how he keeps a straight face when saying thokk ))))
Rz Mty I bet there's a bunch of out takes though 😂
Rz Mty the captions render the F word whenever he mentions Thokk
Rz Mty Wtf is this thok, and how have I missed it? Ohh...oh. You kids and your new terms. Thokk? No, doesn't work for me. I'll stick to other euphemisms, thanks, lol. 😅
When he said: "A giantess named Thokk."
I understood: "A giantess named F**K."
And thought to myself: "Whaaaat?"
Yaume Lepire same😂
Same😂😂😂😂
I would love to see a video on the differences between Chinese and European dragons
Hi,it's been done😄😄
"A god who dies,"
sounds like a great band name.
Neo-Nuclearcrazed It's just so edgy.
So Thokk basically said, "You want me to weep for Balder? Thokk that."
That is actually a quite beautiful story... I really admire that concept of absolute self sacrifice in order to preserve and protect her children.
I heard a variation on the Baulder myth. That the one who would not cry was Thor, who just could not bring himself to. He was too manly.
Essentially, it was a proto-Chuck Norris joke, with Thor standing in.
Tor was Baldr's brother, he wept. And Tor cross-dressed and begged and threw temper-tantrums all the time. If you want a manly Aesir, look up Tyr.
@@LAHFaust as far as i can tell he only cross-dressed once and that was because he had to
5:08 wait wut?
5:11 oh! thokk!
oh. You said Thocc....
i keep hearing you say....something else
Thicc
Thokk you too.
There is always that one Thokking giant.
My god he's so thicc
Well that was a seriously meant Thokk you!
Thokking Hel, Loki's the worst.
Loki represents change, that's his job. He just seems to like his work.
Dawn Wayfinder - damn right, Loki is the thokking worse.
Tom Cramer Loki was basically the god of Entropy
He was the god of fire light and magic. And he was only ever mentioned in the legends from Denmark, there is also some who believe that when Snurgleson wrote the Prose Edda he added Ragnerokk because there were Christian monks looking over his shoulder at the time. These myths changed from place to place and the gods changed with them. The Celts for instance named Thor, Thuror (Thursday) and Odin, Woden (Wednesday). While in the German tribes Thor was named Donar. Some here complain about all native Americans being lumped into one group, well the same complaint could be used against them for the Norse gods of the Asatru.
Okay, Cernunnos by modern interpretation is a dying god or the (Holly King in Wicca). He dies becoming the ghost who collects souls on Samhain till Yule when he transforms into the Sun King.
You come to me, eyes full of grief
you ask of me to shed all my tears
to let him return from kingdom of fears
Why should I weep? or lose any sleep?
He never brought me pleasure or glee
so why would I help to set Balder free
You come to me,eyes full of grief
all of your tears mean nothing to me
so why will you not just leave me to be
am I to blame? Well, I'm not ashamed!
Oh how I smiled when I heard the tale
Of Loke the sly, so clever and brave
Höder the fool,Lopt's willing tool
he held the twig that cut Balder's skin
Lopt aimed the shot
that killed Höder's twin
leave me alone
don't come here and moan
I've never wished to see Balder's well
so let his soul remain down in hel
My name is Töck and I won't cry
I won't let Balder return
Let hel keep her treasured prize
let his soul forever burn
You come to me and cannot believe
that this old crow now talking to you
is Loke not Töck you bloody dawn fools
you come to me and you do not see
all of your tears mean nothing to me
why will you not just leave me to be
My name is Töck,and I won't cry
I won't let Balder return
Let hel keep her treasured prize
let his soul forever burn
"Motherly sacrifices enable all life."
Jose II Jovellano Wait till your father gets home!
Jose II Jovellano. Like Kim Jong Sil did for his North Koreans.
What about Osiris? isn't he a dying god? Also, as to the story of Baldr, I've heard versions that don't include Thokk, and it is in fact Loki who straight up won't cry for Baldr. And oh my gods you're doing Trickster Gods next! Ahhhh, I'm so excited! Here's to Anansi, Hermes, Coyote, and Loki! (Loki may be the worst but he makes for some great stories) And Eris, maybe? I know she's technically a goddess of discord, but I can't think of any other female tricksters. WHERE MY TRICKSTER GODDESSES AT?
We must not forget Lugh, Bacchus, Dionysus and Osiris ☺️😉
This makes me think of "The Elder Scrolls" Franchise; in its mythology, ten gods came together to create the world. One dies before the job is completed, eight give up their full power so that they can become the "bones of Nirn", which is the world in which those games are set, and the last one, who happened to be the architect of it all, leaves the completed project, tearing a hole in the sky through which all light and magic comes from, the sun, followed by his children, depicted in the lore as angels, who also leave holes behind, all very smaller than their parent's and of varrying sizes, which became the stars. Neat, huh?
Yaume Lepire That's because TES gods' lore was inspired by mythology on gods. Just like most fictional story that delve itself on gods. Lovecraft might be an exception, but I'm not sure.
BudakBaong Siah, Yes, I knew that. I just wanted to point out the exceptionnal world-building the of the said franchise.
Hazzmati, Not really... sure it can be confusing at times but it's fairly understandable... Have you seen the Shoddycast's lore series of the franchise? It's a really good way to dive head-first into its lore, as you might expect. It talks about gods, myths, the places and the races and even of individual characters at times, like Ulfric Stormcloack, or the Tribunal of Morrowind.
Odin stabbed himself with his own spear, not sword. And Loki isn't the worst. He's actually pretty useful in helping the gods out, and he once helped a man who was being chased by a giant.
Skeggs of Horkabjork the other gods always treats him so bad, he was bound to kick their asses.
They brutalized him.
Ya he usually relents and helps the gods out of their issue
I watched Crash Course in High School my sophomore year. I’m now graduated and I still enjoy learning new things from this channel!
just subbed to this channel. cant believe i didn't know about it :|
welcome to the channel :)
bienvenido
def check out the back catalogue crash course world history and cc goverment are great well there all great but those are my favorites
Tell Me This There are so many great series(es?) done by Crash Course, whether you're interested in History, Science, Philosophy, or anything else. Definitely check the rest of their stuff out!
I had to pause due to laughter at "Venus - history's first black metal lyricist" well done sir :D
I really wanna know if Mike watches American Gods. I bet if he does his favorite is Mr. Ibis
It's interesting to see the (admitedly limited but obvious) similiarities between the corn mother myth with the indonesian dewi sri myth, both are beautiful and loved godesses, and both died to create a staple of the people, as dewi sri is said to be the origin of rice. Though that would be where the similiarities end, since the corn mother is a mother figure, while dewi sri is a daughter of batara guru (indonesian syncretic version of shiva). And she died because by her father's hand because it is feared that the other gods would break into a fight for her hand in marriage.
Azzam Nurfa'iq p
Anyone here after read Rick Riordan?
4:04 "You're not going to guess what it is! It's Mistletoe."
Yeah I knew that, ty Magnus Chase
😂 He is the reason. I've been in love with this playlist
I love this channel and Overly Sarcastic Productions!
one of the few crash courses i still watch
I read that story about the first mother when I was 7 and it scared me for life.
This is great! The correlations to specific historic events and people's behaviors are the what make the information stick. Like relating myths of sacrifice to a higher mortality rate of women during childbirth. Also, perhaps organizing the myths by location and timeframe, rather than by themes, would be helpful at times.
I literally screamed when I saw this in my sub box. Omg so excited.
8:08-8:13 "[she] saved the native American people from starvation" I cannot believe she features in all the religions raging from Alaska, USA, to Fireland [aka Tierra del Fuego], Argentina.
Exactly! It's cultural insensitivity.
There's actually a middle-eastern counterpart of Adonis- He is called "Tamuz" and the story of him and the goddess Ishtar is almost the same :)
The talk of Balder reminds me about the story of Too Human. The story they started had so much potential.
Wow Thokk what a fitting name 5:09
There is also the funny-story Horus intended to encourage humans to believe in his super-existence after, he moved to Sumer, (unbelievability discouraged him from reusing it)-He purported permission from Ra to kill Seth, and paraded a corpse/effigy with a spear stuck in it, before Seth returned soon after-for Isis had tricked his own birth with dead-Osiris....
Most metal episode EVAR!
Great video! Balder was the manifestation of all the “good” in the Norse tradition - principles of honor, honesty and bravery. The Gods became too cocky and deemed themselves invincible, which is when Loki, whose true function is to bring about change, showed them how wrong they were. Thus, all these foundational principles of the Norse tradition mentioned above literally went to hell, I.e became useless, not needed. And although everyone was ready to bring them back, Loki as he always does, went too far.
5:07 Okay, just can't stop laughing, "Thokk"
Mythology question, hoping you can answer this. Why did underworlds/afterlives sometimes share the names of their rulers, such as Hel or Hades? I actually cannot think of any other examples but I'm sure they're out there (if they are, lemme know). Thanks.
love this channel, I love learning about mythology
That was a beautiful story
SO syked for the next episode. Trickster gods are my favorite!
0:21 Looks kinda like Dagoth from the 1984 movie Conan the Destroyer.
“Birth is interlaced with Death” That’s why Thanatos and Hypnos are twins, Hypnos represents sleep. Sleep is basically rebirth and Thanatos is Thanatos (Death)
I don't know if anyone else has already pointed this out, but Loki is Hell's father. Maybe not the best father ever, but isn't it possible that may have gone some way to motivate him as well? It's always struck me that this may have had a small effect.
Loki may be the worst but he is the best lol
Can't wait to see the Trickster Gods Episode!!!
this channel is really awesome! hoping to see more vids! thokk you
Frig didn't get mistletoe to swear not to harm Balder because it wasn't old enough to swear such an oath. Not because it didn't matter.
Another amazing episode!
A goddess corpse becoming the first crops of the Earth is something that happened in Shinto mythology as well
Even in a traditionally masculine archetype a girl can't catch a break... she's still gotta be a self sacrificing mom..... Poor Corn Mother.
Obligatory note:
The version of Baldr death involving Loki comes for the later Prosaic Edda, which includes some heavily Christianized ideas (like turning Baldr in Christ like figure, who will be rssurected after Ragnarok to lead humanity, and turning Loki in to, you guessed it, a devil like figure).
So, depending on the version you read, no Loki is not the worse.
Well, most of the versions I’ve read agree that Baldr will come back after Ragnarok
This is my favorite episode
Corn Mother FOR THE WIN!
In Mapuche culture. There was a war between the oldest Pillan and their children, because they wanted to take their place. However, the younger generation had no chances of wining and they got killed and their remains were spread throughout the world, making craters that will later become lakes. The mothers cried rivers of tears for their children and Pu-Am decided to bring them back from the death in form of giant beasts but they had to stay in Nag Mapu (the land where we stand) or Miñche Mapu (the underworld), they weren't allowed to come back to Wenu Mapu (the spirit world).
Two of those dead god children are the giant snakes Kai-Kai Vilu and Treng-Treng Vilu. Who are the best.
Crash Course Geology next!!
Haha, was about to comment and the one below basically said everything I was about to write 2 years ago. But I would have been a little lighter about it. These guys generally do a very good job. The particulars of Native American society and history always get short shrift, which is crazy, since it's super interesting and we have a lot of sources.
That Corn Mother story is heavy.
Well this changes my interpretation of Highway 61 Revisited. Thank you for that.
Hey CC! I'm really enjoying this series. How many episodes are there?
What about the Drowned God
the 'native american people' mentioned with the first mother were the pawnee, according to my quicky wiki search, and algonquinish (sub groups_ - origin according to some other site. in case anyone was wondering which people it came from
I have come to the conclusion thst mike is seriously into some obscure metal. So far i have seen him make references to power metal, death metal and blavk metal.
I actually was tortured to near death by a wizard who lured me with this kind of information. A great resource.
I've been playing a lot of Skyrim and RuneScape lately, and I've noticed that both games sorta have the dying god archetype. Elder Scrolls has Lorkhan, and RuneScape has Guthix.
Can't wait for the trickster gods!!!
The dying god is within us all. Endlessly waiting, contemplating, feeding.
Loki, he is either causing problems or solving them, there is no middle ground with him
Yeah pretty much.
No mention of Pan? I'm disappointed :3
^^^
The corn god, wow, amazing!
When he says "Native American", what people is he referring to specifically?
Indians! The ones that have totem-poles and smoke peace pipes and says "how"! :D
Apparently, there are variations from several tribes, with her going by a different name.
@@rattis that is stereotyping. Totem poles are nw tribal tradition. Pipe carring wasn't.
@Zoe Kouf the point is he says Greek myth or norse in the video not European when talking of various European cultures. We indigenous of the Americas deserve the same attention to detail.
lol, when you said Corn Mother, I thought you said Khorne Mother. Blood for the Blood God indeed.
I love it how everything always comes back to “Because Loki is the worst.” Lol! He could be talking about any culture’s stories and “because Loki is the worst” would come up. 😂
It’s always Loki’s fault. 😂
For those interested in the subject of Jesus mythicism, I recommend the following books:
Dr Richard Carrier- 'Proving History: Bayes' Theorem & The Quest For The Historical Jesus' (2012); 'On The Historicity Of Jesus' (2014).
Dr Robert M. Price- 'The Incredible Shrinking Son Of Man' (2003); 'The Case Against The Case For Christ' (2010);
David Fitzgerald- 'Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All' (2010); and 'Jesus: Mything In Action' (2016)
And for those interested in history, virtually all other professional new testament scholars.
I MISS THIS SHOW!
cool fact : in lebanon their is a river which its water turn red and red flowers grow on the banks of the river each year for adonis
i love this dude because he reminds me of Optic BigTymer
This was interesting. Is there a timeline of the height of their popularity? I'm curious about it in contrast to Jesus. Quite interesting.
I love the first mother best.. That is the best act a goddess can do
Love it keep it coming
YAY I LOVE THIS SERIES
I'm also thinking back to biblical apologetics again with people saying "oh but look at all the similarities in the flood myths" but this is showing me just how many similarities there are in other completely different myths, namely completely nonbiblical archetypes like a dying god becoming a key part of the world (earth, sky, corn...). Most myths borrowed from each other, and the ones that didn't were just spawned from similar circumstances, like people living near flood regions typically having flood myths.
Thokk sounds a lot like f**k and i was very surprised that the video wasnt censored for like a good minute
I love how they use Marvel Comics' Loki as Loki's avatar on the animation.
Hey Mike, to summarize a debate from the comments; could you try to remember to mention the specific Native American group these myths come from? I know you usually do, which is why many of us were surprised you didn't this time. Thanks!
This sounds like a really interesting channel
I know they only have so much to cover in these episodes and so little time. But, I was hoping for an exploration on Dyonisus rather than Adonis - who is lesser known in Greeko-Roman mythology. Dyonisus actually has more correlation with the Jesus myths and is quite fascinating.
I have only ever heard of Othinn being stabbed with a spear, not a sword (that is, I believe, what it says in Hávamál, anyway). And in some versions he even carves the runes into the spear-shaft as he hangs.
The death of the greek god Pan is a story I think of when I think of Gods dying. It's kinda different than others where a fisherman I believe is just whispered that the great God has died. And then thats it. Death just kinda happens all of a sudden and thats that
"Venus, history's first black metal lyricist" xDDD
"Thoth is more of a death secretary" ROFL
Ah, Mike, you have the most quotable lines in this whole Crash Course, I will miss PBS Idea Channel, but I hope you will continue this Crash Course Mythology further, anyway, great episode on Dying Gods, but when can we do Destructive deities, devils and tricksters? I WANT THAT LUCIFER MYTHOLOGY, MAN.
Mahir hoo boy, Lucifer. That one could get messy. Western Christian cultural tradition, and generally assumed to be core to Christianity but not biblical and generally rejected by actual self-professed Christians of all types... or... kinda? I mean, Satan is a thing in Christianity. And there was that one bit about stars and a dragon that people bring up, but it was written in a highly symbolic dead genre similar to a political cartoon in words.
Anyway, like I said.... messy.
@1:00 jesus as a sacrifice from god?
if a god KNOWS THAT HE CAN be reborn/resurrected, WHAT IS THE SACRIFICE?
Omnipotence without omniscience leaves room for sacrifice.
I mean, it still hurt.
The payment is still made. Resurrection is the proof that the payment was accepted (See Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22)
Tobacco remains an important part to the beliefs of many First Nation people. It is central to many rites and votaries of the modern shamanic traditions.
I totally knew it was Mistletoe, only because I love myth and already read this story.
SAAAME I said mistletoe before he did.