I get lucky by getting 5 copies of JY (E4) in like 150 pulls while trying to E6 TY that time. I always wondering why this luck cant be on other unit, but now his E1 and E4 gonna benefit a lot from sunday 😂
I like how the whole video mono quantum just sits comfortably in viable but never in the spotlight. A very accurate representation of its solid power but lack of focus by the community.
we really need a new quantum unit that isn't locked by either a gimmick(seele) or being a gambling addict(qingque) xueyi doesnt count since she prefers a break team rather than mono quantum
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Honestly my favorite dps, E2 Lunae, has aged liked fine wine, outside of pure fiction of course since in that mode the rules are all wacky and Herta is somehow a top tier dps. I’ve found that saving up and making a few hyper premium teams I enjoy playing and farming god artifacts on them is both more effective and fun than trying to keep up with the meta. Just my personal play style though. This is why almost all content creators view the game in a vastly different light to me. They assume that having E2 characters and being f2p or near it isn’t compatible. It is. I just have a much smaller roster of more powerful 5 stars.
@@viviblue7277 i play the same way as you lol. most efficient way imo. in genshin, many of my characters are c2s1 so i have like no premium 5*s. for hsr, i also invest a bit with many being e0s1 or e1s1. i do go e2s1 ff tho >:)
hes also my favourite! i got him e2s1 on his original banner and have never looked back. not once have i struggled with an moc since and then in 2.0 i got his e3 my standard team for him is luocha (e0s1), tingyun (e6, ddd), and ruan mei (e1 memories). just many skill points and constant 300k+ enhanced basics
I totally agree with you! I invest in the teams that i truly like, in my case i have an e1s1 ff and I’m aiming for her e2 in the future and to get fugue too, ff is my favorite character so i wanna have her in the best condition to be playable for future content
Dhil is in a similar to JL right now where 200-300k attacks just isnt groundbreaking or meta defining anymore. His best team rn likely is sparkle, robin, and huohuo but i cannot find people running this comp. I issume while itll be rly good, is not FF break or Farm team rn
@@yun3_that is incorrect. His best comp is still good old hyper drag (referring to a speed tuning setup of a very fast sparkle, a one speed slower Bronya, and a completely speed uninvested Lunae) now with Gallagher to bless you with even more SP. The speed tuning demands of the team are outrageous so very few people bother to build it even if they have the characters. I wish I could tell you have the performance is after magically un eidoloning my characters so I stop 0-2 cycling every MoC including the most recent one with him but standard banner and 50/50 losses saw fit to give me only Bronya and nothing else so its a E6 Bronya life for me (and of course because it’s my favorite comp even as a very low spender I got E2 and on the current patch S1 for him). Multiplication Gallagher basically cured every SP problem hyper drag ever had, although until Lingsha came out I usually had to compromise and run a much more sub par sustain. However, since it’s such an oldie but a goodie comp most people running it at this point have eidolons and E1 Bronya is just an assumed truth when discussing the team at this point. So it may not precisely meet your qualifications despite being the normal way to run him.
@ I guess there isnt a “right” way to play him, but i would say “normal” would be the most “common team”. that rn is like sparkle, tingyun, and a sustain. It’s not the best imo but def most common. I would love to see ur run with this comp cuz im curious how it functions. Im very suprised you can get great results from it ngl. I find it hard to imagine how that’s his best team rn, but I am teady to have my brain 💥
@@viviblue7277 th-cam.com/video/NX3hitvvPlU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yUrEfPhI84ZhslaZ (e2 dhil 0cycle hoolay) this video just popped up for me and god dang does it cook. How close would you say ur current comp with dhil compares to a run like this?
@@yun3_ dhil dmg has become more consistent since sparkle release. jing liu on the other hand, doesn't deal consistant damage. her enhanced skill sometimes deal 200k, sometimes 60k because her buffs run out faster than f1.
At E0 he'll be much better than Acheron. Heck, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively. Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@@Saberdud ??? You do realise that virtually any team (excl. troll picks like Argenti/Blade) have been able to effortlessly 0 cycle phase 1 right? The main bottleneck is always phase 2, and Acheron's struggled for the past three MOC's: - version 2.3 with Argenti - version 2.4 with Aventurine - version 2.5 with Hoolay Find me a 5-cost or less Hoolay 0 cycle, you can't. The lowest I've found on YT is 8-cost, but that's cheating the system as they used an E2 Bronya. All the ones without Bronya I've seen are 10-cost or above. What a joke.
at this current point, id have to agree as she can do like 200k-400k counters if ur really stacked. with sunday coming out, maybe not. we wont know until he comes out ofc :)
dr ratio is amazing being a temporary free unit and surpassing the 1.x apex il and jl little by little. now i will continue to cope about jy getting a giga rise with sunday
Great Vid! its clear you've done your homework and is speaking from a position of knowledge of the meta and how it developed its super refreshing considering how a lot of the community just bicker without considering the wider picture and go with vibes to ascertain who is better etc... my one and only contention is that while JQ has yet to actually be recognized for his strengths, they absolutely are there, he effectively is allowing Acheron to stay relevant and is also a brilliant alternative to Topaz for Feixiao but more importantly Ratio who appreciates JQ's Debuffs greatly and struggles with Topaz pre E1/S1 even at higher eidolon investment JQ is equivalent if not outperforms Topaz in a Ratio Robin Aven/Gallagher comp a majority of the time outside this awesome vid would love to see more from you
wow ty for the comment :) I will say when making some of the charts, i legitimately would stare at my screen for like 10 minutes and be like “tf, something is wrong but i cant tell what”. though im pretty satisfied with the end result. had to change some stuff like half way through. for jiaoqiu, I do agree he is slept on right now. He is amazing for acheron no doubt and she’d be in a pretty bad spot rn without him. IMO rn, he is very similar to ruan mei. I think he excels at being the 3rd support in hypercarry/sustainless comp as the 2 other harmonies often give so much buffs, adding a third is much less beneficial than slapping a JQ/pela I personally think Robin is in her own tier after also using e1s1 ruan mei. BIS for fua, dot, and hypercarry if u can play it right. her ceiling is just so dam high but ofc can have a REALLY LOW floor. Ruan mei just has a high ceiling and floor. 😤
Man I love Jiaoqiu too but stop glazing him so much for Ratio, he's definitely competitive if not better for Ratio than Topaz when both are e0s0 but at e1s1 Topaz becomes MUCH better, not so much because of her buffs but rather for her personal damage, it gets pretty significant. Believe me I have both e1s1 and have tested them both multiple times. And yes I'm aware JQ's buffs affect Robin's damage but unless she has her s1 and a godly build I don't think it's so significant ngl...
@@owoflux6025 ill take your word for it that you're making a fair comparison since i don't have Topaz but Im saying what i am because of a showcase by a CC cornflakebutsilly that compared the two and JQ won convincingly, I'm sure the MOC itself also had a role to play in that result but tbf I said "equivalent or better" for me just looking at the general buff coverage etc.. 60 vulnerability field wide and 75 on ults that buffs both Aven and Robin vs Topaz's 50 only on FUAs only on 1 target and C.dmg buffs that ratio should already be diluted on I know that I'm going to prefer JQ over Topaz regardless even with her Topaz's own damage also on the buffing robin part i have her at E1S1 she does 50k per dmg proc vs 27-30k without JQ, With JQ my E0S1 Aven also hits something like 170k per ult, 100k per Fua and 90k per basic (40 form him 50 from Robin)
The arrival of Sunday may end up bringing a lot of hope to the “Hypercarry” niche, especially with the information that potentially 3.X the meta will revolve around summon || HP Decay || Debuffs (DoT, Freeze, etc) || Summon (being a generalist gimmick like FUA is included in many kits). Many old characters may return to the spot in the meta with “premium teams” closed around the specific gimmick of that character and obviously also give new teams besides of the “Only break” and “Only FUA” currently accompanied by spam of fire-lightning-electric weakness. From what the 3.X character information indicates, we could see a "Furina" HSR version (maybe a Nihility amplifier and subdps that benefits A LOT from HP fluctuation) that would end up complementing the BiS team of characters like Jingliu/Blade + Sunday + "Furina" + Sustain and also entering teams like the leaked destructions that are a "duo" playing together (prob. Destruction 1 + Destruction 2 + "Furina" + Sustain?) using HP like Blade and also the “Hp decay” gimmick, and that “Furina” would also end up implementing extra forms of damage amplification and damage contribution to the team (since the trend of inflating the HP of mobs is eventually demanding extra forms of damage on the characters' team since 1 single source is not enough to face the other teams potential if the sups or the carry isnt well invested). On the other hand, characters like Jiaoqiu may end up gaining even more value with other characters that require buffs for AoE ult, debuffs and derivatives, which everything indicates is heading towards that, and DoT may also end up finally having a premium team focused on them, with some nihility that makes the DoT crit and also activates the DoTs since Kafka is very limited in kit regarding that and a second bet of mine for the team is that the long-awaited “sustain dot” will be a nihility as well (Mono Ninility comp goes crazy, even more so with information that there are ~5 Nihility in development for Amphoreus). Along with that we have summon which is a “gourmet hypercarry” in essence (2 characters in 1 + 2 amplifiers + 1 flex sustain or amplifier), and with all this prov. we'll have the return of healers at the top of the sustain value with the new team combo (after the Aventurine empire over everyone almost everywhere), HP fluctuation with a potential Furina, freeze teams (time for Misha to shine?) that should bring an abundance of T5 ice to close the comp (and then they would even enter a fluctuation team with JL for example). Amphoreus seems like it's going to be very interesting with the character path cast that is being planned by the data leaks (1 Hunt, 1 Abundance, 1 Harmony, ~5 Destruction & 5 Nihility, ~3 Erudition) and finally bringing space to niches like HP Fluctuation which is a gimmick left aside without being explored since 1.X, like DoT and still bringing freeze and summon again... New world new possibilities, looking forward to it!
very detailed look for the potential future. I will say, i hope if they ad a furina in this game, she can be a sustain instead, as i feel our hp drainers rn really need both support slots
in my opinion just use fugue and HMC both while kepping ruan mei, fugue is like welt in that they sustain by delaying enemies actions, you break the enemy toughness by using rappa or HMC and you get the imprisonment effect or with ruan mei and you get frezze, then the enemy action will be delayed again because of ruan mei ult
Im actually curious how they will introduce a summoner meta. Will it be by introducing an OP summoner dps( jingyuan but op) or an op summoning support(not just sunday)
@@yun3_ i think the former. If they fully want to sell a new archetype, it better be by means of deceitful way i.e. a dps that'll decorate the archetype as a very good one like how acheron did it.
Next world will be AOE, AOE, and more AOE (0 new Hunt units slated for release and Erudition is tied with Destruction for the most common path). There's also the leaks about Hoyo adding a 2nd or 3rd row of enemies. While this is all subject to change, I'm just highlighting how Feixiao might not be as powercreep proof as you might think.
@@kingsimba9513 If they do add another row, i wonder if itll be like u need to kill all the enemies in the front to access the back like rpg games, or if u can atk either row( aka just more enemies on screen
Haven't finished video, so you might've already covered this. But Y'know what people aren't talking about Fugue, the potential of a Freeze/Dissociation meta. Exo toughness allows you to break twice which would mean allowing a character to actually stack dissociation per freeze. Imagine 5* Herta being an AOE Follow-up Freeze/Dissatisfaction Dps that deals more damage when the enemy is frozen. But unfortunately the rational part of my brain doesn't think Hoyo thought of this since of the effects of the new Dps relic set that released in 2.6.
@@Rob.N.thats a rly cool idea. i totally forgot dissociations exists. theyd have to CAREFULLY balance it. it would either be complete dookie or op af like divergent uni
Is it me or the power creep with Star Rail getting overwhelming. Its annoying how characters can be useless after a year especially if a person sunk so much time on them.
@@komgoo4974 the endgame modes these past 2 patches have DRASTICALLY gotten more difficult and only will get more difficult. The only way u can have ur dps’ not get left behind is if u get the right supports… honkai support rail. by getting robin, i saved my jingyuan and jingliu, but even then, aint no fua or break team😞
@@yun3_ with an s1 Jingliu and her most common team (Bronya, Luocha and Ruan Mei) it still took me 7777777777777 CYCLES to beat Aventurine BRUHHHHHHHHHH. I’ve seen people try it with Fall of an Aeon jingliu it literally looked impossible. I just wish I can have fun playing my favourite characters😞
@ yah, i used pela instead and ;-;. after i got robin and used the op comp with her, bronya, and gally, i think 1-2 cycles iirc. supports make the world.
Meanwhile I still rock with Raiden c2r1 in Genshin since 2.5 till 5.1 lol (still use her) I feel no powercreep 😮 Dunno if any e2s1 dps can have such longevity
My Favourite Channel, amazing work as always. I can't wait to try out something like E1 S1 Jingliu+ E1S1 Sunday (Bronya pro Max)+ E1 S1 Ruan Mei+ Robin. My Ice queen is going to be Stronger than ever. Especially with the new relic sets, am so happy.
I feel like Dan hung with sparkle, Sunday, huohuo will for sure be a viable team given speed tuning anyway but in that sense same could be said for any dps given sparkle is there for skill points and if Sunday has his lightcone he’s sp neutral
I do feel the need to point this out, Jade has been able to 0 cycle all MoCs at E0S1 since release including ones that were completely unfavorable to her w/ break blessings and non-quantum weak. The only recent MoC she has not been able to 0 cycle is recent Hoolay MoC which is pretty understandable given how much of an HP creep it was for all characters. If you want evidence of this, I'd recommend checking out Lisara's videos from 2-3 months ago. This is also why she was the rank #2 specialist in MoC tier list, only 0.02 cycles behind FF [7.82 cycles vs 7.84 cycles], on last month's MoC rate data while being above Topaz and Boothill by a decent margin. Those who know how to build and play around Jade are well aware of this. Additionally, given the leaks we have of multi-row + column combat in 3.0, Jade will likely become a very insane sub-dps if she has a main dps that hits all units (will easily generate 8+ stacks) as her follow-up, given the wording of "all enemies", will hit all rows and columns of units. I think people sleep on Jade for the same reason as Boothill in that people wanted to skip them d/t Firefly and want them to be bad to be more justified with skipping. Properly investing into her, she is not a bad unit at all, most people tend to be surprised when I 0 cycle with her in MoC.
i mentioned this in other comments but moc clear speed/ or 0 cycle ability isnt fully indicative of a character’s strength. but it’s good to know she can. also, i apologize but idk where to find the data u mention. i just know about this one but here, she is not doing too got. i find it hard to imagine that she was ranked second, seeing how topaz. march, and moze exists. www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos for lisara’s run, it was impressive but using a 0 cycle team which many characters could like do well with. a more impressive 0 cycle imo would be this moc where eidehgaming used linsha instead. depending on how the multi row works, ur right how she can be dummy strong. I would say most ppl didnt summon for jade seeing how she seemed to marketed towards PF, which those characters generally dont sell the best 👍
Seele: It's my turn 🤸 As a day one Seele user, I think she will benefit more with Sunday (🤧) I mean seeing as how Sunday is Bronya PROMax and Seele pairs well with her girlfriend. Sunday gives 20% CRIT rate, a good amount of CRIT damage, energy regeneration and his buffs lasts for 2-3 turns. I do hope his energy regeneration gets buffed coz Huohuo gives 20% energy to the whole team and attack% and she's an abundance unit. This might give Seele more opportunity to get her ultimate which is low cost
I think you’re getting caught up in the hype around Sunday a tad. He’s less Bronya Pro Max and more Bronya with summon spice. In all my calcs he’s consistently worse than a Bronya with 2 more eidolons than him at every step on almost every non summon hyper carry team.
really now. I would imagine sunday would almost always perform better than Bronya in a -1 speed situation as his buffs simply last for the two turns while bronya only has her buff up half the time
@yun3_ yeah that was my first impression too. Then I actually ran the numbers (ignoring Sunday’s huge technique advantage since that’s hard to calculate with varying clear lengths). He’s got way more uptime but the buffs are actually weaker overall so it averages out to sidegrade and his unexciting eidolons really don’t narrow the gap. I think his absurdly powerful technique will help to sell his banner but won’t be nearly as impactful on his long term performance. There’s also the not irrelevant matter of how he has multiple points of anti synergy with sparkle compared to Bronya having multiple synergies which weirdly make him always worse in hyper drag teams which I did not expect to be the case because that’s where I feel the limited duration of Bronya’s buffs the most (well did until the game decided I should lose 2 50/50s to Bronya in a row and also get 2 of the standard banner in a row, wow E6 is comically strong it’s not a fair comparison at all). Generally when looking at full comps his performance always soured as he doesn’t really have good synergy with other characters and everything he does is single target. Of note I did almost all my calcs with Sunday at S0, but the few that I did with S1 found it very very strong.
It feels weird because on one side I run very reasonable teams with less than meta options starting running 3 fire and silver wolf in 1.1 where I rerolled like 6 times until I lost a 50/50 to Bronya on the silver wolf banner to get a guarantee and scuffing together teams throughout the games life as I’m missing lots of limited character and E1S0 firefly usually has to take the day recently without Ruan Mei cause I don’t have her. So on that side I’m very familiar with the meta progression as I hear about teams far less scuffed than my own. On the other side I run E2S0 (just got S1 this rerun) Lunae E6S3 (yes I bought 3 LC from the shop like a madman, it was worth the 90 pulls) Bronya E2S1 Sparkle and whatever strikes my fancy for the fourth spot. My E2S0 Robin when 0 cycle slaughters are possible or Gallagher or Lynx when the gimmick wants to try it absolute hardest to ruin my day and I need a specific answer to it. Truly monstrous overkill that has enough power to ignore what MoCs gimmick is as long as it’s not adventurine and his unreasonable pile of imaginary resistance. Honestly I’m starting to run out of ways to make this team meaningfully more premium but it’s so overkill I don’t think it’s going to fall off for a very long time. For planning for the future it’s all on Fugue. Hopefully the firefly rerun stays far away as I’d like E2 firefly to go with Fugue for obvious action spam reasons. I should be able to save up for Fugue before she’s run but if she’s run alongside firefly then I’ll almost certainly need to win a 50/50 somewhere to get everyone I want which is worrying. The worst thing they could do to me is run firefly alongside Sunday so I’d have to pull for E2 then. Since I’ve been running a hot streak of 50/50 wins lately (very welcome after losing 6-ish in a row) I have no guarantee and no way am I saving up 320 pulls before Fugue drops even if I technically have enough uncleared content to get that (my busy self still has E2 imaginary trailblazer lol, I really need Fugue).
Everyday I see Topaz being low in the rankings, I thank my stars that I pulled Topaz, but she just keeps getting better and better. As more FUA gets released, you can now put March/Moze on one side, Topaz on the other, and just go ham.
@@ALegendarySol rly now? i feel most ppl at this point have to to terms she has been one of the best aging characters and now some of the strongest ones at this point
@yun3_ I should have said lower in the rankings at her launch. I decided to pull and never used her when she was launched, but once ratio came out, and now Feixiao, it was the best investment I ever made
My rappa i built in 20 minutes does more dmg than my seele i built over the course of 1.X and It also doesn't help I can count with my hand all the enemys weak to Quantum in the game And do not make me get started on my boothill
I bet you used Rappa in AoE and compared it to Seele against ST damage. On the topic of AoE. We all know that if you can reach the DPS ceiling required for Seele she can chain her attacks making her damage increase exponentially. More so if you have DDDS5 Tingyun, Robin, Sparkle. That's why she is very strong in Pure Fiction. I used Seele, March 7, Robin, and Fu Xuan in current Pure Fiction and I got easy 40k. In the ST scenario, there's no way Rappa can activate her ultimate unless you use Tingyun. She has a high energy requirement to unlock her ultimate. And when more enemies can be weakness broken she gets more energy but that's not the case in the Single Target situation. The point is did you do your comparison in Single Target? Coz I use both and I can't say the same.
Like aside from the nuances and gimmicks of the characters' kit. It's basic knowledge that HoYo spreads the characters' damage based on their path. Erudition will always deal more damage in AoE and Hunt will deal more damage in ST situation. Like how Acheron deals more damage than Feixiao in AoE and the other way around.
I've been using DoT since before 1.2 and seldom have had much of a problem. Meta is a set of jangling keys that's always going to hype the latest release as the newest, hypest hotness. Because the MOC buffs and the like are intentional thumb-on-the-scale tilting to glaze the latest release. Different comps have different strengths and weaknesses that lend themselves to different situations. Just build a broad-based roster and use what works best.
yep thats fair and i do feel the same way. Meta could mean different things to different people with different thresholds of what is considered good. even so, at this current point, it’s hard deny that dont isnt meta in regards to sheer damage output regardless the enemy imo
17:02 omg i still remember this moc it took me 5 tries to clear this shit and it took me 6 fucking cycles since then I benched her thanks for your service jingliu
You're sleeping too much on Yunli, no way jingyuan will be the better dps even after Sunday releases. Yunli herself benefits a lot from Sunday even if she has no summons.
@@kebabenjoyer1 maybe. the issue comes with the opportunity cost that yunli has from switching the likes of sparkle. the upgrade for yunli from sparkle > sunday is nowhere as much as it is for jingyuan. but ofc, we’ll just have to see 👍
@@kingsimba9513 would you mind showing me where u got that she is performing 3rd rn? i only know prydwens current data for this moc, where she’s near like 6-8 iirc.
@@yun3_ you might've looked at the wrong Prydwen page because she currently has the third fastest clear (for a main dps). Feixiao is at 6.01 average cycles, then FF at 6.56, then Yunli at 7.17, then Boothill at 7.57, then Acheron at 7.98 and so on. If you scroll down you'll also see the average performance of characters across the last 3 MOC phases. Yunli is actually the 2nd fastest here (behind Feixiao but ahead of FF). As for the last 3 phases of AS, Yunli is ranked 4th behind Feixiao, FF, and BH.
@@kingsimba9513 i just saw the bottom of www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos there is a note “Keep in mind that sometimes the data can be skewed - for example high usage rate usually negatively impacts the character cycles and the opposite also happens when a character isn't that popular, but performs above expectations thanks to dedicated fans. We don't take the data at face value, but further correlate it with our testing to get a better picture of which characters make clearing MoC easier. Characters with * behind the data only have 1 phase worth of data, so they are pretty skewed.”
I'm interested with what they do with Fugue's V3. To me right now, her least synergistic partner is Firefly despite both being fire because Firefly barely interacts with exo toughness. Do they push further towards her synergy with Rappa/Himeko and do something like giving her EBA colorless breaking? Or do they push back towards her being HMC replacement for Firefly? Otherwise, as a 2.X player the rundown of the olden days was nice. I wonder who the 5* version of 4* Tingyun will be, seems she's the only one left.
yah, FF is definitely benefitting not as much compared to the rappa > boothill cuz she needs hmc and rm a lot, while rappa gets a big upgrade going from hmc/RM to tingyun. I actually think the biggest winner from this is HMC and Dance dance dance. U are about to get so many ddd procs in a mode like pf and the right moc I think ff and rappa’s best teamwould be RM,TY, and HTB, while boothill likely will be RM, TY, and Sunday. I think 5* version of the 4* ty has to be TY again. This time, an abundance character where every time she heals, grants the appropriate energy 😤
A quick correction: JQ and Trend cannot coexist within an Acheron team as the "only one ult stack per turn" rule also applies to the enemy's own turn. The best team for hypercarry would thus be JQ/Aven or fu/Pela or SW depending on enemy number. Also, although Tingyun 2 will be very strong she might not help break as much as you think: -she faces steep competition in superbreak teams as HMC/RM/Lingsha is such an insane core (though lingsha can be swapped out as the break power can help go sustainless). Fugue will be a more "bursty" unit which means you'll have to finish fights quickly with all that delay as her superbreak is almost twice as weak as HMC's as of v2, which also means that Firefly isnt a perfect match since her thing is many turns/low damage which is why she combos so well with HMC. She will certainly get better during beta though. - her synergy with Boothill is both more evident and also not ideal: he has high damage and low turns, the reverse of firefly, so he wants speed-related allies to help him two tap bosses. Contrary to firefly though he doesn't have a perfect team yet (Ruan Mei is great but better in hyperbreak, bronya is literally just a turn bot with 0 interesting buffs, he does synergize quite well with the def/vuln nihilities and their high toughness damage) so she might steal RM's spot in his teams. I really hope Sunday gets buffed in beta because right now he's very subpar, he's barely better than bronya buffs wise except for summons (and even then Robin clears him with how absurd she is) and Robin basically has better buffs and damage despite him being a hypercarry support (and dont get me started on the e1).
20:03 wdym “firefly’s energy issues”? She’s like the only character in the game without energy issues. Free ult after her first action, GUARANTEED, and unless you’re fighting a boss you won’t need to build up energy again (and even if you do, it only takes 2 turns)
@@alexmagnan6124 Ik in the grand scheme of things, clearing just 1-2 cycle slower isnt the end of the world. but when firefly exits her state without a battery or getting enough kills/hit enough times, it really hurts her performance. if ur ff leaves her enhanced state twice, it is not a pretty run if u normally 0 cycle, it’s not rly an issue👍
I knew Fugue was strong but I didn’t think she was this strong. I might have to consider getting her E1 on her rerun since I wouldn’t have enough pulls for her initial banner
@@yun3_ well her ult is 150 cost and despite exo-toughness being extra damage, apart from boothill and rappa she is basically unusable. It also isn't helped that hmc is free and Ruan Mei is more universal. If she provided buffs other than exo-toughness she would have way more utility in teams outside of break.
@@samuelbutler3332 dont forget she has the instance of super break damage like HMC so she isnt soley about exo toughness :) as such, u can finally run 2 super break teams. that 150 cost really sucks tho i personally dont mind her being a dedicated support for break as long as she’s worth the value.
This is a pretty good video. I doomposted JQ but honestly I was glad to be wrong since he's still good outside Acheron and DoT. I tried him with other characters (cuz I have no Acheron nor do I want her anymore) and he did crazy for my Argenti (from 300k per max ult to 400k to 500k with Tingyun and Huohuo both girls have the new Lushaka set, JQ replaced my Sparkle since my Argenti was already 240 crdmg that's including his E1) and Jingliu (used her with Jiaoqiu, Robin/Ruan Mei, and then Luocha/Gallagher). I think people are forgetting that new world = new Trailblazer path. Personally, I think Fugue is there to replace Harmony MC once their new path is here. And tbh I don't think Break is staying in the meta. Problem with Break is honestly if Hoyo decides to drop more characters like SAM boss that has Weakness Toughness locked then Break is rendered useless for those enemies. And from what's going on in the subreddit I read that Hypercarries/Summon and/or HP decay are gonna be the new meta in 3.X and there won't be any new Harmony characters for a while because they found a bunch of Nihility units focused on Summons too. But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. But if anyone is going for meta, best investment is always get the Harmony character at E1 and they have alternative LCs too. While I'm still pulling for Fugue at E0, it's still shit of Hoyo to revolve her Ult requirements with her E2. From the gameplays I've seen for V1 (v2 was basically wording changes), she has only Ult twice and barely did anything. Hope she gets the JQ treatment and have her E2 moved to base kit if they're gonna justify that 150 Energy for her Ult or lower her Ult energy requirements. Her stats aren't doing great for her either because they're so low compared to HMC who she should be replacing in the future. Sunday also is a bit underwhelming because his kit makes him Bronya Pro max + Summons. But he's fine as is in terms of base kit compared to Fugue, he just needs more Energy Regen tho since he's a single target but yeah, his Eidolons need work too because only whales are going after that crazy E6. I'm still gonna get his E1S1 regardless of how his kit will end up cuz I've been waiting for his man and sadly skipping my girl Rappa for him. My Jing Yuan needs him lolz
very valid criticisms. the thing is, hoyo can realistically counter any playstyle. for fua, just make enemies get more shields and counter attack like an aventurine, like that one rock trotter in Gold & Gears. any counter teams, just give the enemies attacks that dont hit u like dot. my mindset is if they just add a one off enemy, oh well, u get countered. if they add EVERY enemy like that, then play style is cooked. from what ur saying for 3.x, if any of that is true, i will be very interested to see. I personally think tingyun is in a fine spot rn besides that ult ult. she does what she needs to do which is implanting exo toughness and providing superbreak. No spamming DDD like htb until e2 tho. i dont mind the base stats and actually like her high def for sunday, i think everything about him is fine besides the eidolons. buffs ofc would be appreciated for both characters
@yun3_ true on the part about Hoyo putting counters. Every playstyle has their pros and cons which I appreciate as someone who likes getting new characters (I don't do vertical investment and I have a gacha addiction so lolz). Goes to show they know what they're doing when it comes to making enemies but not when it comes to harder content (the HP inflation is pure hell because the characters dmg feel like wet noodles. But manageable for me imo since I can clear content just fine). While leaks should always be taken with a grain of salt, I'm sure on the summon meta especially with the Fate Stay Night collab in late 2025 since Fate has a servant system. I think the HP decay just might happen because they had no reason to release a new free destruction LC that benefits Blade, of all characters. I think they can do better since for Fugue's current beta kit, she has like 10(?) toughness break on her while HMC has 20 (or was it 25?) which are what most people are complaining about in the subreddit since she's a break support that does damage but her own toughness break and super break buffs are so low. She gives 30 (or was it 40?) BE which is good but unlike HMC, she doesn't earn extra energy from having characters break weakness so it's hard for her Ult time. Fugue's kit seems to have bad synergy for Firefly because she needs those HMC buffs more compared to Rappa and Boothill. Tbh I have both Boothill and Firefly but I enjoy my Boothill more. Ruan Mei with S5 DDD + E2 Fugue would go so hard tho lolz Yeah Sunday is fine, but after thinking about it more, he's only underwhelming for me because his kit is taken from other characters and so doesn't feel new but he's still pretty op when you consider he has everything a Hypercarry unit needs-Crit Rate (25% Crit Rate is huge), Crit Dmg, Energy Regen, Advance Forward, and DMG increase (his LC alone gives out 45% DMG increase at S1) and he then gives out like additional 40% or 50% dmg to those with summons. With his LC he can basically go ham with his skill because he regenerates SP and doesn't use SP depending on the turn. Hopefully Fugue and Sunday don't have any of their kits nerfed and only get buffed next week (we're already at V2 of the beta but it's only wording changes) because they're both extremely hyped characters.
Thank you for not being a pansy about leaks like most cc’s lol, so many of them act like leaks are some immoral forbidden knowledge even while making content about the meta or theory crafting, which just means their vids are almost outdated on release lolllll
@@LizardKingRequiem I understand why many bigger creators cannot talk about it as they likely are under contract to not speak about it. But ofc smaller channels like me fly under the radar. even then, Ive heard some creators get copyright stuck when discussing leaks
Seeing how Break and Summon characters are eating good, I’m even more torn between who to pull between Sunday and Fugue :// They’re both SO GOOD 😭 I skipped Lingsha bc I don’t need a 4th sustain, but man, Fugue is tempting me, but Sunday as well 💀
i need the v3 beta to come faster. fugue exo toughness alone in her kit is already good on paper but her performance based on showcases isn't really good because of her very low toughness reduction and her high ult cost. her eidolons are decent but they should've put that in her base kit instead. meanwhile sunday's base kit is really good but his eidolons are weak. the only problem some ppl have with him is not being able to AA robin (which is really not a big deal)
@@kyeopmuwda i agree with mostly everything youve said such as tingyuns issues rn and sunday’s weak eidolons my only thing i have no idea what builds they are using for their characters for any of the leaks ive watched so im taking it with a grain of salt. they do such low dmg(IMO) compared to what i normally do using a similar team (ff break and a sunday showcase i saw with JL) i get im a dolphin but that doesnt mean i should be doing like 2x their dmg if i were to pull sunday, id honestly hate the fact he wouldnt be able to aa robin. ult img robin instead and giving her crit hurts my soul. if the ult was dmg%, i wouldntve minded tho
@@yun3_ fugue is worse for firefly than hmc bc her super break dmg is capped at 100% while hmc can go up to 160% even though she has def reduction and exo-toughness replacing hmc with her about equalizes in damage, shes only really good for rappa and better for boothill than firefly imo. At best shes a sidegrade to HMC which is very bad since e6 HMC is free while fugue is a limited 5 star
@@buhduh-k5n good points. I would say yah, they probs are rly close for ff. we also gotta mention how htb has more toughness dmg/dmg as such. the biggest thing about fugue rn for FF imo is the ability to go sustainless and delete the enemies. plus working with a ddd tb, the potential double breaks will give so much energy
Not really, most characters are in a pretty sweet spot, with some getting sweeter in the future. I think a lot of people confuse "off-meta" with being "power crept."
@@jaredtew3302 i will say end game is def getting harder and harder due to the nature of these games with their new units. But i will say older units can work as long as you put the resources in them (new supports 😞)
Clara was never bad per say but was never exactly rly “good”. Enemies have never been uber fast like hoolay, but if hoyo keeps dropping fast af enemies, then she maybe moves up. but yunli exists 🫠 also, pretty good clear seeing how u just recently built her
dot was seen as strong team cause for the longest of time pure fiction had dot requirement or dot buffs, it still ok in PF JY was released in a time the dev themselves did not know what they were doing, so many of aspect of his kit was flawed but it got fixed and reused in other characters, like blade activating his fua once his stacks is full, topaz's numby and lingsha fuyuan not getting cc if topaz got cc herself, fixiao ability to over stack and doing her ult freely, i belive if he was released in current day he would have been better, but hey i still use my JY with topaz and ruan mei, or in a super break team my biggest disappointment was getting robin on her re run cause i thought she would make me play ratio topaz fua team again (fire fly took ruan mei hostage) just to realize i could not activate ratio follow up cause i dont have any eidolons or LC in my account ..... still robin is valuable but for me ruan mai is the GOAT who if i can put in acheron team i would gladly put there, she is just too broken as a character I think Hemiko will get a buff with Fugue release cause hemiko superbreak (or even hybrid build) is very good with current moc exo toughness and she is supergood in PF Sunday might upgrade JY but i think he will be the bronya on 3.x meta till a team wide buffer will get released later on
id have to agree with most of what uve said. I will say tho, if u wanna use ratio with ur topaz and robin, i highly recommend u trying a Gallagher. brings 1 more debuff and can give you energy :) i think himeko in PF with fugue is about to go hard, though idk how much in moc tho
@ try Hemiko in current MOC on either side (super break on first side or part of FuA team on second side) Also she managed to get full score in PF when I swapped FF for her in the same break team with Gallagher Gallagher is attached to the hip with FF and his sustain is not that great when the enemy can move faster than you, also aventurine is too comfy and he help ratio indirectly cause his FuA can trigger ratio ult (trend of universal market do help but the shield becomes paper thin unfortunately)
i used crit himeko on the first half and it was pretty gud, but i cant see myself removing tingyun,robin, or gallgaher for a TY. super break himeko with ff ofc wrecked those guys i personally find gally sustain enough if i put him in the middle slots. But i usually have VERY tanky supports so i can see why it may not be enough for some
I unfortunately will skip tingyun pro, i was hoping that her kit will replace HTB, but rn her kit is looking like a replacement for RM. I will patiently wait for HTB replacement in the future
As of v2. she can replace either HTB or Ruan Mei. HTB’s main draw is the superbreak instance which TY also provides in her talent “While Fugue is on the field and after Weakness Broken enemy targets are attacked by allies, converts the Toughness Reduction of this attack into 1 instance of 100% Super Break DMG. so if u want super break on both sides, Ty will be a nice pick :)
@yun3_ oh i just realized that now. I'm just wondering, do you think sunday provides a good futureproof kit? I currently use firefly break team and high investment FART team with e2 feixiao, and I don't really invest too much in firefly, just enough to clear moc under 5 cycle. So do you think i should pull fugue to improve the break team or sunday to prepare for the next meta shift?
@@veezerrscharnhorst This will just be my advice and going off of v1/2 TY/sunday so i cannot definitively say as v3/4 will likely have some changes. quite frankly speaking, IMO rn, sunday is clearly meant for 1. singular hypercarry summoners (jingyuan and that future aglaea) and 2. an upgrade for bronya users. I honestly dont think sunday is the start of the summoning meta as i believe a future support will do that. (ex. advance ALL summons by 50%) So I believe if u think ur gonna pull a singular hypercarry summoner in the future, go for sunday. if u want a whole summon team, i personally think wait for maybe a team wide summonAA character. But just kit wise, i think he will stand the test of time in the same way bronya has (even if not as prevalent) I think FUA will be staying for quite some time, esp with an E2 feixiao. I bet that team smacks. realisrically speaking, ur next upgrade in the tram would be topaz, unless they somehow power creep robin/aven first which would be kinda crazy. ur farm team realistically should 0-1 cycle for at least the next few versions, so u only need to clear in like 8-9 cycles which is def doable with ff xd. i guess itll be up to u if u want to upgrade, but honestly an e1 or even e2 ff may be better than getting TY currently; unless u plan on going sustainless. as a e2 ff haver, e1 is game changing. hope this helps 👍
@@yun3_ yes i currently leaning on sunday (even tho I'm not in his cult). I like to spread my accounts with multiple units just to mixmatch them in fun modes. Thx for the advice And about the whole summon team, i still believe that every unit that has a summon will also has their own summon AA kit like topaz and lingsha, midyuan is the outlier here
@@veezerrscharnhorst oh fair point, unless they decide to make a jingyuan 2 with crazy multipliers. no self summon AA so relies on supports, but make their dmg crazy high
Yeah, and the sad thing is that it's backed by statistics. Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively. Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
Nah, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively. Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@kingsimba9513 I meant about her release , the moment she released the gap btw her and other dps was way bigger and she set the standard for upcoming new dps and we all knew after acheron we will start getting dps at her level or higher which is no surprise And also as acheron simp I will also defend her Fexia when released had her best limited 5 star team available and it hadn't been long since her release so meta and endgame buffs and enemies are all in her favor rn Acheron only have 1 premium support which was released later and that's all( she can use 4 star but it's not her premium team) I hope when dot meta begins she gets indirect buff and can be used in that team for eg while dot do damage it also fill acheron ult and her ult become extra big damage on dot damage It will very fun At last I will I don't hate any charater I like some charater then more but all charaters are cool and love to have them and about them being meta , Every charater will fall off hard so it's not a new or surprising thing As long as acheron and clear endgame doesn't matter if endgame favor her or not I don't have problem
@@ryuk6795 Fair points. I too wish that Acheron would get a bit more love, but I'm sort of past the coping stage. It's clear Hoyo are willing to gut previously op teams/archetypes (DHIL, JL, Sparkle, DoT, etc) so they could easily just add Acheron to that list. I hope not though. Time will tell.
@kingsimba9513 ya man , the powercreep is insane in this game and it happens way to fast , I am trying to get charater that can clear content for me even though game don't favor them ( I am a new player don't have many. Charater)
@@ryuk6795 I agree, Acheron was the clearest increase in power, even more so than Jingliu or release. and like u said, she also has so much room to grow, seeing she only has 1 dedicated support rn. though itd be interesting if they somehow make dotcheron her best team
Im just waiting for a good quantum dps I started the game with silver wolf rerun back in december so I didnt have the chance to get a seele but looking at her shes kinda bad ngl
@@Pachirisu2024 it honestly may be a while before we get the exodia for quantum as youll need to replace the dps, and sustain. i think sparkle is fine tho
@yun3_ Im honestly totally fine with fu xuan the free crit rate and 30% crit dmg I got for her e1 feels amazing but we totally lack a strong quantum dps Seele is outdated sw needs e2 to be a "dmg" dealer and even with e1 s1 my jade struggles in dmg output on bosses
So I started HSR like when rappa released, I got her but I lack any other DPS, given I'm about to reach trailblazer level 60 which can make me get my characters to level 80. My question is I love Raiden verse so accordingly I love Acheron and after completing pencony quest I love her even more, but most of the people are saying she isn't worth pulling anymore and watching your vid and the blatant powercreep unlike genshin is making me a bit wary of pulling her. I wanted your opinion as to if I should pull Acheron or now.
I think if u want to pull acheron, go for it. Pull who you like and make them work :) Now if the question is whether or not she will stand the test of time, aka stay relevant, my answer would be yes. Just like any team, u can make it work as long as u invest enough into her. Thing about acheron right now is she is near the top of the meta, and without her 2 other dedicated supports(only has jiaoqiu rn). This means, she has a LOT of room to grow. Question is when she will get her other 2 supports, and for that, idk. but Even right now, well built acheron mains can delete the MOC. but that’s “well built” and with a good team. Seeing how you just started, you wont have access to jiaoqiu for quite some time which really sucks. also, acheron would REALLY like her lightcone. also, getting ur first actual limited dps is such a big jump compared to the ftp options its not even funny. just know many end game modes require two teams so plan accordingly :) If you do go for her, you can likely go acheron, pela, x, and gallagher. the x slot will likely have to be another nihility character to get acherons talent, but rn, the other ftp options arent that good ;-;. but perhaps this’ll change down the line. hope this helps. 👍 ill answer anymore questions if u have any
Man, this terrible I want to make Fugue my first E6, but I don't like Firefly, Boothill or Rappa. And I've invested in Fuxuan and Lingsha that Mihoyo seems to hate. Whoever said pull for who you like is giving terrible advice all along.
she’s good, but she isnt above the likes of break, or fua in 2.4-6. maybe boothill rn depending on thr situation. I have seen what disgusting things a well invested yunli can do tho
@ i mean break is the meta rn and follow up is second but she’s not following exactly in the Fua path… she’s top 4/5 for sure, She relies to be attacked in order for her to do unreasonable amounts of damage, and right now the enemies are attacking a lot for example the new boss Hoolay.Shes much better than DHIL or jingliu and even a little better than boothill. And she has the potential to reach higher numbers in the future
currently, id probs agree she is better than JL and DHIL for most players. she def has high potential if hoyo decides to make enemies hella fast/atk a lot. but rn, fua already takes a majority of my top spots and then there’s ff and acheron. top 10 dps imo :)
Yunli has statistically performed better than Acheron in MOC and AS since her release (according to both Prydwen and CN data). Acheron only outperforms in PF, which isn't saying much tbh since it's the most accessible end game mode.
I will say, statistics are a nice metric to go off of but we ofc have to take it with a grain of salt, aka due to what/ how they measure. i can see how she performed better in some gamemodes in a particular version, seeing how yunli has gotten very favorable match ups. also, the way the way prydwen measures their data. iirc, half their data is user given, while the other half is randomly selected from uids. while the method is fair and reasonable, i personally do not think it accurately represents how strong a character is.
maybe, but hunt/fua may get shafted harder seeing how they are single target against potentially more enemies. i think ff will still be fine due to potentially using lingsha and her blast nature
just wanna say, ty everyone for being respectful in the comments. has been enjoyable going through all of em 🥸👍
Ima change that 😈 (joke)
@ i pay Ulquiorra to teach u a lesson. (joke, im broke)
Its a good thing my goat Jing Yuan is still the reigning dps champ (I'm delusional)
Nah, you are safe, Sunday is gonna save him
@@theshade0038 ur not even wrong the powerspike due to sunday is actually goin to be insane
Jing Yuan is atleast gonna be tier 1 or 0.1 because of Sunday
@@nyes4596you wish
@@andrewchatman622 T0 may be cope, but T1 is very much possible. It's such a huge powerspike for him that his damage is close to 2.x DPSes.
As Topaz haver from her first debut, you can call me investment master lol.
Jing Yuan soon catches up.
📈 📈
Investing in victory means playing the long game!!!
From me as a Topaz fan since her drip marketing to you: keep it up buddy, they're buffing us
I get lucky by getting 5 copies of JY (E4) in like 150 pulls while trying to E6 TY that time. I always wondering why this luck cant be on other unit, but now his E1 and E4 gonna benefit a lot from sunday 😂
Zero cycle Jingliu isn't real
It can't hurt you
0 cycle Jingliu *No healer* :💀
@@ThuyNguyen-nh6hi her teammates all at 1hp💀
My favourite will always be Seele regardless of how the game turns out
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I like how the whole video mono quantum just sits comfortably in viable but never in the spotlight. A very accurate representation of its solid power but lack of focus by the community.
we really need a new quantum unit that isn't locked by either a gimmick(seele) or being a gambling addict(qingque) xueyi doesnt count since she prefers a break team rather than mono quantum
@ yeah mono quantum has always been a unit or two away from being incredible. The dps is definitely the slot with the most room for improvement.
The day quantum finally gets a new 5* DPS will be glorious
17:24 Thick of it jumpscare, you've been warned
wait till they see the end >:)
Covers are welcome, they fulfil the different beat, different melody, different sound effects, different artist, different theme, different message and a different genre requirement, therefore they go hard 🔥🔥🔥
Honestly my favorite dps, E2 Lunae, has aged liked fine wine, outside of pure fiction of course since in that mode the rules are all wacky and Herta is somehow a top tier dps.
I’ve found that saving up and making a few hyper premium teams I enjoy playing and farming god artifacts on them is both more effective and fun than trying to keep up with the meta. Just my personal play style though.
This is why almost all content creators view the game in a vastly different light to me. They assume that having E2 characters and being f2p or near it isn’t compatible. It is. I just have a much smaller roster of more powerful 5 stars.
@@viviblue7277 i play the same way as you lol. most efficient way imo. in genshin, many of my characters are c2s1 so i have like no premium 5*s. for hsr, i also invest a bit with many being e0s1 or e1s1. i do go e2s1 ff tho >:)
hes also my favourite!
i got him e2s1 on his original banner and have never looked back.
not once have i struggled with an moc since
and then in 2.0 i got his e3
my standard team for him is luocha (e0s1), tingyun (e6, ddd), and ruan mei (e1 memories). just many skill points and constant 300k+ enhanced basics
I totally agree with you! I invest in the teams that i truly like, in my case i have an e1s1 ff and I’m aiming for her e2 in the future and to get fugue too, ff is my favorite character so i wanna have her in the best condition to be playable for future content
Dhil is criminally underrated
Dhil is in a similar to JL right now where 200-300k attacks just isnt groundbreaking or meta defining anymore.
His best team rn likely is sparkle, robin, and huohuo but i cannot find people running this comp. I issume while itll be rly good, is not FF break or Farm team rn
@@yun3_that is incorrect. His best comp is still good old hyper drag (referring to a speed tuning setup of a very fast sparkle, a one speed slower Bronya, and a completely speed uninvested Lunae) now with Gallagher to bless you with even more SP. The speed tuning demands of the team are outrageous so very few people bother to build it even if they have the characters.
I wish I could tell you have the performance is after magically un eidoloning my characters so I stop 0-2 cycling every MoC including the most recent one with him but standard banner and 50/50 losses saw fit to give me only Bronya and nothing else so its a E6 Bronya life for me (and of course because it’s my favorite comp even as a very low spender I got E2 and on the current patch S1 for him).
Multiplication Gallagher basically cured every SP problem hyper drag ever had, although until Lingsha came out I usually had to compromise and run a much more sub par sustain.
However, since it’s such an oldie but a goodie comp most people running it at this point have eidolons and E1 Bronya is just an assumed truth when discussing the team at this point. So it may not precisely meet your qualifications despite being the normal way to run him.
@ I guess there isnt a “right” way to play him, but i would say “normal” would be the most “common team”. that rn is like sparkle, tingyun, and a sustain. It’s not the best imo but def most common.
I would love to see ur run with this comp cuz im curious how it functions. Im very suprised you can get great results from it ngl. I find it hard to imagine how that’s his best team rn, but I am teady to have my brain 💥
@@viviblue7277 th-cam.com/video/NX3hitvvPlU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yUrEfPhI84ZhslaZ (e2 dhil 0cycle hoolay)
this video just popped up for me and god dang does it cook. How close would you say ur current comp with dhil compares to a run like this?
@@yun3_ dhil dmg has become more consistent since sparkle release. jing liu on the other hand, doesn't deal consistant damage. her enhanced skill sometimes deal 200k, sometimes 60k because her buffs run out faster than f1.
Wouldnt be suprise if midyuan new best team just straight up on par with acheron 💀
At E0 he'll be much better than Acheron. Heck, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively.
Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@@kingsimba9513so archeron zero cycles slower now, oh the horror
@@Saberdud ??? You do realise that virtually any team (excl. troll picks like Argenti/Blade) have been able to effortlessly 0 cycle phase 1 right? The main bottleneck is always phase 2, and Acheron's struggled for the past three MOC's:
- version 2.3 with Argenti
- version 2.4 with Aventurine
- version 2.5 with Hoolay
Find me a 5-cost or less Hoolay 0 cycle, you can't. The lowest I've found on YT is 8-cost, but that's cheating the system as they used an E2 Bronya. All the ones without Bronya I've seen are 10-cost or above.
What a joke.
yunli 200% does more dmg than jingliu blade and jingyuan, and sometimes even ratio
at this current point, id have to agree as she can do like 200k-400k counters if ur really stacked. with sunday coming out, maybe not. we wont know until he comes out ofc :)
dr ratio is amazing being a temporary free unit and surpassing the 1.x apex il and jl little by little.
now i will continue to cope about jy getting a giga rise with sunday
Great Vid!
its clear you've done your homework and is speaking from a position of knowledge of the meta and how it developed
its super refreshing considering how a lot of the community just bicker without considering the wider picture and go with vibes to ascertain who is better etc...
my one and only contention is that while JQ has yet to actually be recognized for his strengths, they absolutely are there, he effectively is allowing Acheron to stay relevant and is also a brilliant alternative to Topaz for Feixiao but more importantly Ratio who appreciates JQ's Debuffs greatly and struggles with Topaz pre E1/S1 even at higher eidolon investment JQ is equivalent if not outperforms Topaz in a Ratio Robin Aven/Gallagher comp a majority of the time
outside this awesome vid would love to see more from you
wow ty for the comment :) I will say when making some of the charts, i legitimately would stare at my screen for like 10 minutes and be like “tf, something is wrong but i cant tell what”. though im pretty satisfied with the end result. had to change some stuff like half way through.
for jiaoqiu, I do agree he is slept on right now. He is amazing for acheron no doubt and she’d be in a pretty bad spot rn without him. IMO rn, he is very similar to ruan mei. I think he excels at being the 3rd support in hypercarry/sustainless comp as the 2 other harmonies often give so much buffs, adding a third is much less beneficial than slapping a JQ/pela
I personally think Robin is in her own tier after also using e1s1 ruan mei. BIS for fua, dot, and hypercarry if u can play it right. her ceiling is just so dam high but ofc can have a REALLY LOW floor. Ruan mei just has a high ceiling and floor. 😤
Man I love Jiaoqiu too but stop glazing him so much for Ratio, he's definitely competitive if not better for Ratio than Topaz when both are e0s0 but at e1s1 Topaz becomes MUCH better, not so much because of her buffs but rather for her personal damage, it gets pretty significant. Believe me I have both e1s1 and have tested them both multiple times.
And yes I'm aware JQ's buffs affect Robin's damage but unless she has her s1 and a godly build I don't think it's so significant ngl...
@@owoflux6025 ill take your word for it that you're making a fair comparison since i don't have Topaz
but Im saying what i am because of a showcase by a CC cornflakebutsilly that compared the two and JQ won convincingly, I'm sure the MOC itself also had a role to play in that result but tbf I said "equivalent or better"
for me just looking at the general buff coverage etc..
60 vulnerability field wide and 75 on ults that buffs both Aven and Robin vs Topaz's 50 only on FUAs only on 1 target and C.dmg buffs that ratio should already be diluted on
I know that I'm going to prefer JQ over Topaz regardless even with her Topaz's own damage
also on the buffing robin part i have her at E1S1 she does 50k per dmg proc vs 27-30k without JQ, With JQ my E0S1 Aven also hits something like 170k per ult, 100k per Fua and 90k per basic (40 form him 50 from Robin)
The arrival of Sunday may end up bringing a lot of hope to the “Hypercarry” niche, especially with the information that potentially 3.X the meta will revolve around summon || HP Decay || Debuffs (DoT, Freeze, etc) || Summon (being a generalist gimmick like FUA is included in many kits). Many old characters may return to the spot in the meta with “premium teams” closed around the specific gimmick of that character and obviously also give new teams besides of the “Only break” and “Only FUA” currently accompanied by spam of fire-lightning-electric weakness. From what the 3.X character information indicates, we could see a "Furina" HSR version (maybe a Nihility amplifier and subdps that benefits A LOT from HP fluctuation) that would end up complementing the BiS team of characters like Jingliu/Blade + Sunday + "Furina" + Sustain and also entering teams like the leaked destructions that are a "duo" playing together (prob. Destruction 1 + Destruction 2 + "Furina" + Sustain?) using HP like Blade and also the “Hp decay” gimmick, and that “Furina” would also end up implementing extra forms of damage amplification and damage contribution to the team (since the trend of inflating the HP of mobs is eventually demanding extra forms of damage on the characters' team since 1 single source is not enough to face the other teams potential if the sups or the carry isnt well invested). On the other hand, characters like Jiaoqiu may end up gaining even more value with other characters that require buffs for AoE ult, debuffs and derivatives, which everything indicates is heading towards that, and DoT may also end up finally having a premium team focused on them, with some nihility that makes the DoT crit and also activates the DoTs since Kafka is very limited in kit regarding that and a second bet of mine for the team is that the long-awaited “sustain dot” will be a nihility as well (Mono Ninility comp goes crazy, even more so with information that there are ~5 Nihility in development for Amphoreus). Along with that we have summon which is a “gourmet hypercarry” in essence (2 characters in 1 + 2 amplifiers + 1 flex sustain or amplifier), and with all this prov. we'll have the return of healers at the top of the sustain value with the new team combo (after the Aventurine empire over everyone almost everywhere), HP fluctuation with a potential Furina, freeze teams (time for Misha to shine?) that should bring an abundance of T5 ice to close the comp (and then they would even enter a fluctuation team with JL for example).
Amphoreus seems like it's going to be very interesting with the character path cast that is being planned by the data leaks (1 Hunt, 1 Abundance, 1 Harmony, ~5 Destruction & 5 Nihility, ~3 Erudition) and finally bringing space to niches like HP Fluctuation which is a gimmick left aside without being explored since 1.X, like DoT and still bringing freeze and summon again... New world new possibilities, looking forward to it!
very detailed look for the potential future. I will say, i hope if they ad a furina in this game, she can be a sustain instead, as i feel our hp drainers rn really need both support slots
in my opinion just use fugue and HMC both while kepping ruan mei, fugue is like welt in that they sustain by delaying enemies actions, you break the enemy toughness by using rappa or HMC and you get the imprisonment effect or with ruan mei and you get frezze, then the enemy action will be delayed again because of ruan mei ult
sustainless break is about to go so hard. The enemies will not be able to play the game. I can’t wait
It's Robin's world and we're just living in it.
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ty :) will do just that
i think feixiao will still be at the top after fugue until servants come IMO great video
Im actually curious how they will introduce a summoner meta. Will it be by introducing an OP summoner dps( jingyuan but op) or an op summoning support(not just sunday)
@@yun3_ we probably get 4 star free summon dps on the same banner that they sell 5 star summon dps.
@@yun3_ i think the former. If they fully want to sell a new archetype, it better be by means of deceitful way i.e. a dps that'll decorate the archetype as a very good one like how acheron did it.
Next world will be AOE, AOE, and more AOE (0 new Hunt units slated for release and Erudition is tied with Destruction for the most common path).
There's also the leaks about Hoyo adding a 2nd or 3rd row of enemies.
While this is all subject to change, I'm just highlighting how Feixiao might not be as powercreep proof as you might think.
@@kingsimba9513 If they do add another row, i wonder if itll be like u need to kill all the enemies in the front to access the back like rpg games, or if u can atk either row( aka just more enemies on screen
Thanks for the informative analysis!
Good video! This was like going down memory lane.Jing Yuan was my first limited 5 star carry
@@1993bassmasta i felt that way while making the video xd.
Haven't finished video, so you might've already covered this. But Y'know what people aren't talking about Fugue, the potential of a Freeze/Dissociation meta. Exo toughness allows you to break twice which would mean allowing a character to actually stack dissociation per freeze. Imagine 5* Herta being an AOE Follow-up Freeze/Dissatisfaction Dps that deals more damage when the enemy is frozen.
But unfortunately the rational part of my brain doesn't think Hoyo thought of this since of the effects of the new Dps relic set that released in 2.6.
@@Rob.N.thats a rly cool idea. i totally forgot dissociations exists. theyd have to CAREFULLY balance it. it would either be complete dookie or op af like divergent uni
Is it me or the power creep with Star Rail getting overwhelming. Its annoying how characters can be useless after a year especially if a person sunk so much time on them.
@@komgoo4974 the endgame modes these past 2 patches have DRASTICALLY gotten more difficult and only will get more difficult.
The only way u can have ur dps’ not get left behind is if u get the right supports… honkai support rail. by getting robin, i saved my jingyuan and jingliu, but even then, aint no fua or break team😞
@@yun3_ with an s1 Jingliu and her most common team (Bronya, Luocha and Ruan Mei) it still took me 7777777777777 CYCLES to beat Aventurine BRUHHHHHHHHHH. I’ve seen people try it with Fall of an Aeon jingliu it literally looked impossible. I just wish I can have fun playing my favourite characters😞
@ yah, i used pela instead and ;-;. after i got robin and used the op comp with her, bronya, and gally, i think 1-2 cycles iirc. supports make the world.
Meanwhile I still rock with Raiden c2r1 in Genshin since 2.5 till 5.1 lol (still use her)
I feel no powercreep 😮
Dunno if any e2s1 dps can have such longevity
My Favourite Channel, amazing work as always. I can't wait to try out something like E1 S1 Jingliu+ E1S1 Sunday (Bronya pro Max)+ E1 S1 Ruan Mei+ Robin. My Ice queen is going to be Stronger than ever. Especially with the new relic sets, am so happy.
So based. Especially going sustainless
Haha yeah, gotta make the most of it! Huohuo is welcome in the team too though @@yun3_
I feel like Dan hung with sparkle, Sunday, huohuo will for sure be a viable team given speed tuning anyway but in that sense same could be said for any dps given sparkle is there for skill points and if Sunday has his lightcone he’s sp neutral
I do feel the need to point this out, Jade has been able to 0 cycle all MoCs at E0S1 since release including ones that were completely unfavorable to her w/ break blessings and non-quantum weak. The only recent MoC she has not been able to 0 cycle is recent Hoolay MoC which is pretty understandable given how much of an HP creep it was for all characters. If you want evidence of this, I'd recommend checking out Lisara's videos from 2-3 months ago. This is also why she was the rank #2 specialist in MoC tier list, only 0.02 cycles behind FF [7.82 cycles vs 7.84 cycles], on last month's MoC rate data while being above Topaz and Boothill by a decent margin. Those who know how to build and play around Jade are well aware of this.
Additionally, given the leaks we have of multi-row + column combat in 3.0, Jade will likely become a very insane sub-dps if she has a main dps that hits all units (will easily generate 8+ stacks) as her follow-up, given the wording of "all enemies", will hit all rows and columns of units.
I think people sleep on Jade for the same reason as Boothill in that people wanted to skip them d/t Firefly and want them to be bad to be more justified with skipping. Properly investing into her, she is not a bad unit at all, most people tend to be surprised when I 0 cycle with her in MoC.
i mentioned this in other comments but moc clear speed/ or 0 cycle ability isnt fully indicative of a character’s strength. but it’s good to know she can.
also, i apologize but idk where to find the data u mention. i just know about this one but here, she is not doing too got. i find it hard to imagine that she was ranked second, seeing how topaz. march, and moze exists. www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos
for lisara’s run, it was impressive but using a 0 cycle team which many characters could like do well with. a more impressive 0 cycle imo would be this moc where eidehgaming used linsha instead.
depending on how the multi row works, ur right how she can be dummy strong. I would say most ppl didnt summon for jade seeing how she seemed to marketed towards PF, which those characters generally dont sell the best 👍
This is such a well made video, glad i found you channel :D
@@Stellar_82 tyty 🥸
Seele: It's my turn 🤸
As a day one Seele user, I think she will benefit more with Sunday (🤧)
I mean seeing as how Sunday is Bronya PROMax and Seele pairs well with her girlfriend.
Sunday gives 20% CRIT rate, a good amount of CRIT damage, energy regeneration and his buffs lasts for 2-3 turns.
I do hope his energy regeneration gets buffed coz Huohuo gives 20% energy to the whole team and attack% and she's an abundance unit. This might give Seele more opportunity to get her ultimate which is low cost
Seele, Sunday, Robin, and Huohuo seems like a good team.
If the enemies lack Quantum weakness the new relic set might be slightly better
@@jinminchoi838 🐦⬛ 🕊️ 🦊 Ngl, this team is probs much better than mono quantum at this point 🫠
Seele Sunday Robin and huohuo the enemy is not moving
I think you’re getting caught up in the hype around Sunday a tad. He’s less Bronya Pro Max and more Bronya with summon spice. In all my calcs he’s consistently worse than a Bronya with 2 more eidolons than him at every step on almost every non summon hyper carry team.
really now. I would imagine sunday would almost always perform better than Bronya in a -1 speed situation as his buffs simply last for the two turns while bronya only has her buff up half the time
@yun3_ yeah that was my first impression too. Then I actually ran the numbers (ignoring Sunday’s huge technique advantage since that’s hard to calculate with varying clear lengths). He’s got way more uptime but the buffs are actually weaker overall so it averages out to sidegrade and his unexciting eidolons really don’t narrow the gap. I think his absurdly powerful technique will help to sell his banner but won’t be nearly as impactful on his long term performance.
There’s also the not irrelevant matter of how he has multiple points of anti synergy with sparkle compared to Bronya having multiple synergies which weirdly make him always worse in hyper drag teams which I did not expect to be the case because that’s where I feel the limited duration of Bronya’s buffs the most (well did until the game decided I should lose 2 50/50s to Bronya in a row and also get 2 of the standard banner in a row, wow E6 is comically strong it’s not a fair comparison at all).
Generally when looking at full comps his performance always soured as he doesn’t really have good synergy with other characters and everything he does is single target.
Of note I did almost all my calcs with Sunday at S0, but the few that I did with S1 found it very very strong.
i see. ill keep that in mind then. also, frik man. i want e6 bronya so bad. im e2s3 rn ;-; e6 seems so dam far away ffs
It feels weird because on one side I run very reasonable teams with less than meta options starting running 3 fire and silver wolf in 1.1 where I rerolled like 6 times until I lost a 50/50 to Bronya on the silver wolf banner to get a guarantee and scuffing together teams throughout the games life as I’m missing lots of limited character and E1S0 firefly usually has to take the day recently without Ruan Mei cause I don’t have her. So on that side I’m very familiar with the meta progression as I hear about teams far less scuffed than my own.
On the other side I run E2S0 (just got S1 this rerun) Lunae E6S3 (yes I bought 3 LC from the shop like a madman, it was worth the 90 pulls) Bronya E2S1 Sparkle and whatever strikes my fancy for the fourth spot. My E2S0 Robin when 0 cycle slaughters are possible or Gallagher or Lynx when the gimmick wants to try it absolute hardest to ruin my day and I need a specific answer to it. Truly monstrous overkill that has enough power to ignore what MoCs gimmick is as long as it’s not adventurine and his unreasonable pile of imaginary resistance. Honestly I’m starting to run out of ways to make this team meaningfully more premium but it’s so overkill I don’t think it’s going to fall off for a very long time.
For planning for the future it’s all on Fugue. Hopefully the firefly rerun stays far away as I’d like E2 firefly to go with Fugue for obvious action spam reasons. I should be able to save up for Fugue before she’s run but if she’s run alongside firefly then I’ll almost certainly need to win a 50/50 somewhere to get everyone I want which is worrying. The worst thing they could do to me is run firefly alongside Sunday so I’d have to pull for E2 then. Since I’ve been running a hot streak of 50/50 wins lately (very welcome after losing 6-ish in a row) I have no guarantee and no way am I saving up 320 pulls before Fugue drops even if I technically have enough uncleared content to get that (my busy self still has E2 imaginary trailblazer lol, I really need Fugue).
well i wish u luck on ur pulls, imma probs drop 200-300 pulls on ty as well
Everyday I see Topaz being low in the rankings, I thank my stars that I pulled Topaz, but she just keeps getting better and better. As more FUA gets released, you can now put March/Moze on one side, Topaz on the other, and just go ham.
@@ALegendarySol rly now? i feel most ppl at this point have to to terms she has been one of the best aging characters and now some of the strongest ones at this point
@yun3_ I should have said lower in the rankings at her launch.
I decided to pull and never used her when she was launched, but once ratio came out, and now Feixiao, it was the best investment I ever made
@@ALegendarySol ah gotchu. hypercarry topaz at the launch 🥲
I miss when seele my queen cleared everything in 1.0
I still use seele to this day as iam not gonna stop coping that she been crept 😭😭
My rappa i built in 20 minutes does more dmg than my seele i built over the course of 1.X and
It also doesn't help I can count with my hand all the enemys weak to Quantum in the game
And do not make me get started on my boothill
I bet you used Rappa in AoE and compared it to Seele against ST damage.
On the topic of AoE. We all know that if you can reach the DPS ceiling required for Seele she can chain her attacks making her damage increase exponentially. More so if you have DDDS5 Tingyun, Robin, Sparkle.
That's why she is very strong in Pure Fiction.
I used Seele, March 7, Robin, and Fu Xuan in current Pure Fiction and I got easy 40k.
In the ST scenario, there's no way Rappa can activate her ultimate unless you use Tingyun. She has a high energy requirement to unlock her ultimate. And when more enemies can be weakness broken she gets more energy but that's not the case in the Single Target situation.
The point is did you do your comparison in Single Target? Coz I use both and I can't say the same.
Like aside from the nuances and gimmicks of the characters' kit. It's basic knowledge that HoYo spreads the characters' damage based on their path.
Erudition will always deal more damage in AoE and Hunt will deal more damage in ST situation.
Like how Acheron deals more damage than Feixiao in AoE and the other way around.
I've been using DoT since before 1.2 and seldom have had much of a problem. Meta is a set of jangling keys that's always going to hype the latest release as the newest, hypest hotness. Because the MOC buffs and the like are intentional thumb-on-the-scale tilting to glaze the latest release.
Different comps have different strengths and weaknesses that lend themselves to different situations. Just build a broad-based roster and use what works best.
yep thats fair and i do feel the same way. Meta could mean different things to different people with different thresholds of what is considered good. even so, at this current point, it’s hard deny that dont isnt meta in regards to sheer damage output regardless the enemy imo
17:02 omg i still remember this moc
it took me 5 tries to clear this shit and it took me 6 fucking cycles
since then I benched her
thanks for your service jingliu
twas a hard time for jingliu mains. their reddit was funny af during that time tho
You're sleeping too much on Yunli, no way jingyuan will be the better dps even after Sunday releases. Yunli herself benefits a lot from Sunday even if she has no summons.
@@kebabenjoyer1 maybe. the issue comes with the opportunity cost that yunli has from switching the likes of sparkle. the upgrade for yunli from sparkle > sunday is nowhere as much as it is for jingyuan. but ofc, we’ll just have to see 👍
Yeah, Yunli is statistically the 3rd best dps in the game (average performance across all modes).
@@kingsimba9513 would you mind showing me where u got that she is performing 3rd rn? i only know prydwens current data for this moc, where she’s near like 6-8 iirc.
@@yun3_ you might've looked at the wrong Prydwen page because she currently has the third fastest clear (for a main dps). Feixiao is at 6.01 average cycles, then FF at 6.56, then Yunli at 7.17, then Boothill at 7.57, then Acheron at 7.98 and so on.
If you scroll down you'll also see the average performance of characters across the last 3 MOC phases. Yunli is actually the 2nd fastest here (behind Feixiao but ahead of FF).
As for the last 3 phases of AS, Yunli is ranked 4th behind Feixiao, FF, and BH.
@@kingsimba9513 i just saw the bottom of www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos
there is a note “Keep in mind that sometimes the data can be skewed - for example high usage rate usually negatively impacts the character cycles and the opposite also happens when a character isn't that popular, but performs above expectations thanks to dedicated fans. We don't take the data at face value, but further correlate it with our testing to get a better picture of which characters make clearing MoC easier.
Characters with * behind the data only have 1 phase worth of data, so they are pretty skewed.”
I'm interested with what they do with Fugue's V3. To me right now, her least synergistic partner is Firefly despite both being fire because Firefly barely interacts with exo toughness.
Do they push further towards her synergy with Rappa/Himeko and do something like giving her EBA colorless breaking? Or do they push back towards her being HMC replacement for Firefly?
Otherwise, as a 2.X player the rundown of the olden days was nice. I wonder who the 5* version of 4* Tingyun will be, seems she's the only one left.
yah, FF is definitely benefitting not as much compared to the rappa > boothill cuz she needs hmc and rm a lot, while rappa gets a big upgrade going from hmc/RM to tingyun.
I actually think the biggest winner from this is HMC and Dance dance dance. U are about to get so many ddd procs in a mode like pf and the right moc
I think ff and rappa’s best teamwould be RM,TY, and HTB, while boothill likely will be RM, TY, and Sunday.
I think 5* version of the 4* ty has to be TY again. This time, an abundance character where every time she heals, grants the appropriate energy 😤
A quick correction: JQ and Trend cannot coexist within an Acheron team as the "only one ult stack per turn" rule also applies to the enemy's own turn. The best team for hypercarry would thus be JQ/Aven or fu/Pela or SW depending on enemy number.
Also, although Tingyun 2 will be very strong she might not help break as much as you think:
-she faces steep competition in superbreak teams as HMC/RM/Lingsha is such an insane core (though lingsha can be swapped out as the break power can help go sustainless). Fugue will be a more "bursty" unit which means you'll have to finish fights quickly with all that delay as her superbreak is almost twice as weak as HMC's as of v2, which also means that Firefly isnt a perfect match since her thing is many turns/low damage which is why she combos so well with HMC. She will certainly get better during beta though.
- her synergy with Boothill is both more evident and also not ideal: he has high damage and low turns, the reverse of firefly, so he wants speed-related allies to help him two tap bosses. Contrary to firefly though he doesn't have a perfect team yet (Ruan Mei is great but better in hyperbreak, bronya is literally just a turn bot with 0 interesting buffs, he does synergize quite well with the def/vuln nihilities and their high toughness damage) so she might steal RM's spot in his teams.
I really hope Sunday gets buffed in beta because right now he's very subpar, he's barely better than bronya buffs wise except for summons (and even then Robin clears him with how absurd she is) and Robin basically has better buffs and damage despite him being a hypercarry support (and dont get me started on the e1).
20:03 wdym “firefly’s energy issues”? She’s like the only character in the game without energy issues. Free ult after her first action, GUARANTEED, and unless you’re fighting a boss you won’t need to build up energy again (and even if you do, it only takes 2 turns)
@@alexmagnan6124 Ik in the grand scheme of things, clearing just 1-2 cycle slower isnt the end of the world. but when firefly exits her state without a battery or getting enough kills/hit enough times, it really hurts her performance. if ur ff leaves her enhanced state twice, it is not a pretty run
if u normally 0 cycle, it’s not rly an issue👍
I knew Fugue was strong but I didn’t think she was this strong. I might have to consider getting her E1 on her rerun since I wouldn’t have enough pulls for her initial banner
This is just v1/2, but hopefully she stays this strong throughout the beta or heck even get some buffs
@@yun3_she's honestly really under tuned at the moment but they can't really buff her because if they do she'll be insane.
@@samuelbutler3332 you think so? could i ask why u think she’s undertuned?
@@yun3_ well her ult is 150 cost and despite exo-toughness being extra damage, apart from boothill and rappa she is basically unusable. It also isn't helped that hmc is free and Ruan Mei is more universal. If she provided buffs other than exo-toughness she would have way more utility in teams outside of break.
@@samuelbutler3332 dont forget she has the instance of super break damage like HMC so she isnt soley about exo toughness :) as such, u can finally run 2 super break teams. that 150 cost really sucks tho
i personally dont mind her being a dedicated support for break as long as she’s worth the value.
This is a pretty good video. I doomposted JQ but honestly I was glad to be wrong since he's still good outside Acheron and DoT. I tried him with other characters (cuz I have no Acheron nor do I want her anymore) and he did crazy for my Argenti (from 300k per max ult to 400k to 500k with Tingyun and Huohuo both girls have the new Lushaka set, JQ replaced my Sparkle since my Argenti was already 240 crdmg that's including his E1) and Jingliu (used her with Jiaoqiu, Robin/Ruan Mei, and then Luocha/Gallagher).
I think people are forgetting that new world = new Trailblazer path. Personally, I think Fugue is there to replace Harmony MC once their new path is here. And tbh I don't think Break is staying in the meta. Problem with Break is honestly if Hoyo decides to drop more characters like SAM boss that has Weakness Toughness locked then Break is rendered useless for those enemies. And from what's going on in the subreddit I read that Hypercarries/Summon and/or HP decay are gonna be the new meta in 3.X and there won't be any new Harmony characters for a while because they found a bunch of Nihility units focused on Summons too. But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. But if anyone is going for meta, best investment is always get the Harmony character at E1 and they have alternative LCs too.
While I'm still pulling for Fugue at E0, it's still shit of Hoyo to revolve her Ult requirements with her E2. From the gameplays I've seen for V1 (v2 was basically wording changes), she has only Ult twice and barely did anything. Hope she gets the JQ treatment and have her E2 moved to base kit if they're gonna justify that 150 Energy for her Ult or lower her Ult energy requirements. Her stats aren't doing great for her either because they're so low compared to HMC who she should be replacing in the future.
Sunday also is a bit underwhelming because his kit makes him Bronya Pro max + Summons. But he's fine as is in terms of base kit compared to Fugue, he just needs more Energy Regen tho since he's a single target but yeah, his Eidolons need work too because only whales are going after that crazy E6. I'm still gonna get his E1S1 regardless of how his kit will end up cuz I've been waiting for his man and sadly skipping my girl Rappa for him. My Jing Yuan needs him lolz
very valid criticisms. the thing is, hoyo can realistically counter any playstyle. for fua, just make enemies get more shields and counter attack like an aventurine, like that one rock trotter in Gold & Gears. any counter teams, just give the enemies attacks that dont hit u like dot. my mindset is if they just add a one off enemy, oh well, u get countered. if they add EVERY enemy like that, then play style is cooked.
from what ur saying for 3.x, if any of that is true, i will be very interested to see.
I personally think tingyun is in a fine spot rn besides that ult ult. she does what she needs to do which is implanting exo toughness and providing superbreak. No spamming DDD like htb until e2 tho. i dont mind the base stats and actually like her high def
for sunday, i think everything about him is fine besides the eidolons. buffs ofc would be appreciated for both characters
@yun3_ true on the part about Hoyo putting counters. Every playstyle has their pros and cons which I appreciate as someone who likes getting new characters (I don't do vertical investment and I have a gacha addiction so lolz). Goes to show they know what they're doing when it comes to making enemies but not when it comes to harder content (the HP inflation is pure hell because the characters dmg feel like wet noodles. But manageable for me imo since I can clear content just fine).
While leaks should always be taken with a grain of salt, I'm sure on the summon meta especially with the Fate Stay Night collab in late 2025 since Fate has a servant system. I think the HP decay just might happen because they had no reason to release a new free destruction LC that benefits Blade, of all characters.
I think they can do better since for Fugue's current beta kit, she has like 10(?) toughness break on her while HMC has 20 (or was it 25?) which are what most people are complaining about in the subreddit since she's a break support that does damage but her own toughness break and super break buffs are so low. She gives 30 (or was it 40?) BE which is good but unlike HMC, she doesn't earn extra energy from having characters break weakness so it's hard for her Ult time. Fugue's kit seems to have bad synergy for Firefly because she needs those HMC buffs more compared to Rappa and Boothill. Tbh I have both Boothill and Firefly but I enjoy my Boothill more. Ruan Mei with S5 DDD + E2 Fugue would go so hard tho lolz
Yeah Sunday is fine, but after thinking about it more, he's only underwhelming for me because his kit is taken from other characters and so doesn't feel new but he's still pretty op when you consider he has everything a Hypercarry unit needs-Crit Rate (25% Crit Rate is huge), Crit Dmg, Energy Regen, Advance Forward, and DMG increase (his LC alone gives out 45% DMG increase at S1) and he then gives out like additional 40% or 50% dmg to those with summons. With his LC he can basically go ham with his skill because he regenerates SP and doesn't use SP depending on the turn.
Hopefully Fugue and Sunday don't have any of their kits nerfed and only get buffed next week (we're already at V2 of the beta but it's only wording changes) because they're both extremely hyped characters.
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Thank you for not being a pansy about leaks like most cc’s lol, so many of them act like leaks are some immoral forbidden knowledge even while making content about the meta or theory crafting, which just means their vids are almost outdated on release lolllll
@@LizardKingRequiem I understand why many bigger creators cannot talk about it as they likely are under contract to not speak about it. But ofc smaller channels like me fly under the radar. even then, Ive heard some creators get copyright stuck when discussing leaks
(Acheron's best team at e0s1 is Jiaoqiu, Robin, Gallagher (with QPQ))
@@pally3370 i figured as much. 🕊️ 🕊️ 🕊️
Sorry Sunday I’m all in on two super break teams so I’ll have to skip you for Fugue
yah same. im going all in and gonna snag that e2. sorry jingyuan 🥲
Seeing how Break and Summon characters are eating good, I’m even more torn between who to pull between Sunday and Fugue :// They’re both SO GOOD 😭 I skipped Lingsha bc I don’t need a 4th sustain, but man, Fugue is tempting me, but Sunday as well 💀
i need the v3 beta to come faster. fugue exo toughness alone in her kit is already good on paper but her performance based on showcases isn't really good because of her very low toughness reduction and her high ult cost. her eidolons are decent but they should've put that in her base kit instead.
meanwhile sunday's base kit is really good but his eidolons are weak. the only problem some ppl have with him is not being able to AA robin (which is really not a big deal)
@@kyeopmuwda i agree with mostly everything youve said such as tingyuns issues rn and sunday’s weak eidolons
my only thing i have no idea what builds they are using for their characters for any of the leaks ive watched so im taking it with a grain of salt. they do such low dmg(IMO) compared to what i normally do using a similar team (ff break and a sunday showcase i saw with JL) i get im a dolphin but that doesnt mean i should be doing like 2x their dmg
if i were to pull sunday, id honestly hate the fact he wouldnt be able to aa robin. ult img robin instead and giving her crit hurts my soul. if the ult was dmg%, i wouldntve minded tho
@@yun3_ fugue is worse for firefly than hmc bc her super break dmg is capped at 100% while hmc can go up to 160% even though she has def reduction and exo-toughness replacing hmc with her about equalizes in damage, shes only really good for rappa and better for boothill than firefly imo. At best shes a sidegrade to HMC which is very bad since e6 HMC is free while fugue is a limited 5 star
@@buhduh-k5n good points. I would say yah, they probs are rly close for ff. we also gotta mention how htb has more toughness dmg/dmg as such.
the biggest thing about fugue rn for FF imo is the ability to go sustainless and delete the enemies. plus working with a ddd tb, the potential double breaks will give so much energy
Remember when the Seele sills said she will never be out meta and mono quantum will be the best comp? Rough isn't it
powercreep getitng so overkill that im starting to get tired of this game lol
Not really, most characters are in a pretty sweet spot, with some getting sweeter in the future. I think a lot of people confuse "off-meta" with being "power crept."
Bye-bye, won't be missed!
@@jaredtew3302 i will say end game is def getting harder and harder due to the nature of these games with their new units. But i will say older units can work as long as you put the resources in them (new supports 😞)
Clara being so low on the list but my Clara did a 6 cycle Hoolay. 😂 I just built her 3 days ago lol.
Clara was never bad per say but was never exactly rly “good”. Enemies have never been uber fast like hoolay, but if hoyo keeps dropping fast af enemies, then she maybe moves up. but yunli exists 🫠
also, pretty good clear seeing how u just recently built her
@@yun3_Clara clears tho
good video! hope it gets more view
tyty ☺️ i hope more ppl tune in too
BLADE RERUN PLEASE I JUST WANT TO SPEND ALL MY MONEY FOR THE E6S5 BLADIE ANYTHING FOR BLADE IDC WHAT ANYONE SAYS I NEEEEED HIM (4MONTH PLAYER BTW)
according to my calculations. 1 ten pull will give u e9 blade. (i have terrible luck btw)
@@yun3_ Thanks I love u
dot was seen as strong team cause for the longest of time pure fiction had dot requirement or dot buffs, it still ok in PF
JY was released in a time the dev themselves did not know what they were doing, so many of aspect of his kit was flawed but it got fixed and reused in other characters, like blade activating his fua once his stacks is full, topaz's numby and lingsha fuyuan not getting cc if topaz got cc herself, fixiao ability to over stack and doing her ult freely,
i belive if he was released in current day he would have been better, but hey i still use my JY with topaz and ruan mei, or in a super break team
my biggest disappointment was getting robin on her re run cause i thought she would make me play ratio topaz fua team again (fire fly took ruan mei hostage) just to realize i could not activate ratio follow up cause i dont have any eidolons or LC in my account ..... still robin is valuable but for me ruan mai is the GOAT who if i can put in acheron team i would gladly put there, she is just too broken as a character
I think Hemiko will get a buff with Fugue release cause hemiko superbreak (or even hybrid build) is very good with current moc exo toughness and she is supergood in PF
Sunday might upgrade JY but i think he will be the bronya on 3.x meta till a team wide buffer will get released later on
id have to agree with most of what uve said. I will say tho, if u wanna use ratio with ur topaz and robin, i highly recommend u trying a Gallagher. brings 1 more debuff and can give you energy :)
i think himeko in PF with fugue is about to go hard, though idk how much in moc tho
@ try Hemiko in current MOC on either side (super break on first side or part of FuA team on second side)
Also she managed to get full score in PF when I swapped FF for her in the same break team with Gallagher
Gallagher is attached to the hip with FF and his sustain is not that great when the enemy can move faster than you, also aventurine is too comfy and he help ratio indirectly cause his FuA can trigger ratio ult (trend of universal market do help but the shield becomes paper thin unfortunately)
i used crit himeko on the first half and it was pretty gud, but i cant see myself removing tingyun,robin, or gallgaher for a TY. super break himeko with ff ofc wrecked those guys
i personally find gally sustain enough if i put him in the middle slots. But i usually have VERY tanky supports so i can see why it may not be enough for some
I unfortunately will skip tingyun pro, i was hoping that her kit will replace HTB, but rn her kit is looking like a replacement for RM. I will patiently wait for HTB replacement in the future
As of v2. she can replace either HTB or Ruan Mei. HTB’s main draw is the superbreak instance which TY also provides in her talent
“While Fugue is on the field and after Weakness Broken enemy targets are attacked by allies, converts the Toughness Reduction of this attack into 1 instance of 100% Super Break DMG.
so if u want super break on both sides, Ty will be a nice pick :)
@yun3_ oh i just realized that now. I'm just wondering, do you think sunday provides a good futureproof kit? I currently use firefly break team and high investment FART team with e2 feixiao, and I don't really invest too much in firefly, just enough to clear moc under 5 cycle.
So do you think i should pull fugue to improve the break team or sunday to prepare for the next meta shift?
@@veezerrscharnhorst This will just be my advice and going off of v1/2 TY/sunday so i cannot definitively say as v3/4 will likely have some changes.
quite frankly speaking, IMO rn, sunday is clearly meant for 1. singular hypercarry summoners (jingyuan and that future aglaea) and 2. an upgrade for bronya users. I honestly dont think sunday is the start of the summoning meta as i believe a future support will do that. (ex. advance ALL summons by 50%)
So I believe if u think ur gonna pull a singular hypercarry summoner in the future, go for sunday. if u want a whole summon team, i personally think wait for maybe a team wide summonAA character. But just kit wise, i think he will stand the test of time in the same way bronya has (even if not as prevalent)
I think FUA will be staying for quite some time, esp with an E2 feixiao. I bet that team smacks. realisrically speaking, ur next upgrade in the tram would be topaz, unless they somehow power creep robin/aven first which would be kinda crazy.
ur farm team realistically should 0-1 cycle for at least the next few versions, so u only need to clear in like 8-9 cycles which is def doable with ff xd.
i guess itll be up to u if u want to upgrade, but honestly an e1 or even e2 ff may be better than getting TY currently; unless u plan on going sustainless.
as a e2 ff haver, e1 is game changing. hope this helps 👍
@@yun3_ yes i currently leaning on sunday (even tho I'm not in his cult). I like to spread my accounts with multiple units just to mixmatch them in fun modes. Thx for the advice
And about the whole summon team, i still believe that every unit that has a summon will also has their own summon AA kit like topaz and lingsha, midyuan is the outlier here
@@veezerrscharnhorst oh fair point, unless they decide to make a jingyuan 2 with crazy multipliers. no self summon AA so relies on supports, but make their dmg crazy high
Me sitting here looking at how Prydwen tier list place Acheron in T0.5, fearing for the worse rn D:
All she needs is her 2nd dedicated support and she’s gonna come right back to the top :)
Yeah, and the sad thing is that it's backed by statistics. Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively.
Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
Acheron changed everything
Nah, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively.
Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@kingsimba9513 I meant about her release , the moment she released the gap btw her and other dps was way bigger and she set the standard for upcoming new dps and we all knew after acheron we will start getting dps at her level or higher which is no surprise
And also as acheron simp I will also defend her
Fexia when released had her best limited 5 star team available and it hadn't been long since her release so meta and endgame buffs and enemies are all in her favor rn
Acheron only have 1 premium support which was released later and that's all( she can use 4 star but it's not her premium team)
I hope when dot meta begins she gets indirect buff and can be used in that team for eg while dot do damage it also fill acheron ult and her ult become extra big damage on dot damage
It will very fun
At last I will I don't hate any charater I like some charater then more but all charaters are cool and love to have them and about them being meta ,
Every charater will fall off hard so it's not a new or surprising thing
As long as acheron and clear endgame doesn't matter if endgame favor her or not I don't have problem
@@ryuk6795 Fair points. I too wish that Acheron would get a bit more love, but I'm sort of past the coping stage. It's clear Hoyo are willing to gut previously op teams/archetypes (DHIL, JL, Sparkle, DoT, etc) so they could easily just add Acheron to that list.
I hope not though. Time will tell.
@kingsimba9513 ya man , the powercreep is insane in this game and it happens way to fast , I am trying to get charater that can clear content for me even though game don't favor them ( I am a new player don't have many. Charater)
@@ryuk6795 I agree, Acheron was the clearest increase in power, even more so than Jingliu or release. and like u said, she also has so much room to grow, seeing she only has 1 dedicated support rn. though itd be interesting if they somehow make dotcheron her best team
In my opinion Clara should be at least in gud medium-low tier
0:10 aint no way bro missing 2 crit on jingliu 💀
Im just waiting for a good quantum dps I started the game with silver wolf rerun back in december so I didnt have the chance to get a seele but looking at her shes kinda bad ngl
@@Pachirisu2024 it honestly may be a while before we get the exodia for quantum as youll need to replace the dps, and sustain. i think sparkle is fine tho
@yun3_ Im honestly totally fine with fu xuan the free crit rate and 30% crit dmg I got for her e1 feels amazing but we totally lack a strong quantum dps Seele is outdated sw needs e2 to be a "dmg" dealer and even with e1 s1 my jade struggles in dmg output on bosses
So I started HSR like when rappa released, I got her but I lack any other DPS, given I'm about to reach trailblazer level 60 which can make me get my characters to level 80. My question is I love Raiden verse so accordingly I love Acheron and after completing pencony quest I love her even more, but most of the people are saying she isn't worth pulling anymore and watching your vid and the blatant powercreep unlike genshin is making me a bit wary of pulling her. I wanted your opinion as to if I should pull Acheron or now.
I think if u want to pull acheron, go for it. Pull who you like and make them work :) Now if the question is whether or not she will stand the test of time, aka stay relevant, my answer would be yes.
Just like any team, u can make it work as long as u invest enough into her. Thing about acheron right now is she is near the top of the meta, and without her 2 other dedicated supports(only has jiaoqiu rn). This means, she has a LOT of room to grow. Question is when she will get her other 2 supports, and for that, idk.
but Even right now, well built acheron mains can delete the MOC. but that’s “well built” and with a good team.
Seeing how you just started, you wont have access to jiaoqiu for quite some time which really sucks. also, acheron would REALLY like her lightcone.
also, getting ur first actual limited dps is such a big jump compared to the ftp options its not even funny. just know many end game modes require two teams so plan accordingly :)
If you do go for her, you can likely go acheron, pela, x, and gallagher. the x slot will likely have to be another nihility character to get acherons talent, but rn, the other ftp options arent that good ;-;. but perhaps this’ll change down the line.
hope this helps. 👍 ill answer anymore questions if u have any
Man, this terrible I want to make Fugue my first E6, but I don't like Firefly, Boothill or Rappa. And I've invested in Fuxuan and Lingsha that Mihoyo seems to hate. Whoever said pull for who you like is giving terrible advice all along.
actually, Lingsha break is already a thing and u can go that route if u truly want to e6 TY but dont like the other breakers :)
i will remove healer for my break team :)
YESSS. SUSTAINLESS BREAK USERS, RISE UP
Sushang is always viable
V3 Sunday buff cope!
acheron is so lucky this is made with s1 in mind cus without it she would go down at minimun 2 tiers
@@pycho1383 yah she RLY likes her lc like yunli and feixiao. I dunno why prydwen is so adamant on e0s0. like just make a slider for e0s1 and e0s0 yk
The yunli placement is so wrong☠️😭
she’s good, but she isnt above the likes of break, or fua in 2.4-6. maybe boothill rn depending on thr situation.
I have seen what disgusting things a well invested yunli can do tho
@ i mean break is the meta rn and follow up is second but she’s not following exactly in the Fua path… she’s top 4/5 for sure, She relies to be attacked in order for her to do unreasonable amounts of damage, and right now the enemies are attacking a lot for example the new boss Hoolay.Shes much better than DHIL or jingliu and even a little better than boothill. And she has the potential to reach higher numbers in the future
currently, id probs agree she is better than JL and DHIL for most players. she def has high potential if hoyo decides to make enemies hella fast/atk a lot.
but rn, fua already takes a majority of my top spots and then there’s ff and acheron. top 10 dps imo :)
Yunli has statistically performed better than Acheron in MOC and AS since her release (according to both Prydwen and CN data). Acheron only outperforms in PF, which isn't saying much tbh since it's the most accessible end game mode.
I will say, statistics are a nice metric to go off of but we ofc have to take it with a grain of salt, aka due to what/ how they measure. i can see how she performed better in some gamemodes in a particular version, seeing how yunli has gotten very favorable match ups. also, the way the way prydwen measures their data. iirc, half their data is user given, while the other half is randomly selected from uids. while the method is fair and reasonable, i personally do not think it accurately represents how strong a character is.
And it looks like Firefly will be taking the backseat from 3.x onwards with the introduction of multiple rows of enemies.
maybe, but hunt/fua may get shafted harder seeing how they are single target against potentially more enemies. i think ff will still be fine due to potentially using lingsha and her blast nature