the spinning on the finger is one of those skills with a very specific sweet spot for how to do it, skallagrim did a great video a fair while ago about them and got good consistent throws using the finger spin
He actually did recent video where he said he also is not quite sure if it was really done in combat or more of exhibition throws like we have trick shots today
@@AdamCeladinBritish battlefield historians describe its use as finger thrown. The surviving Sikh masters use the technique. Whatever its advantages or not, I’m currently of the opinion that the Sikh’s actually did this in warfare. Maybe it had religious significance. I believe they also threw it in the manner you show as seen here th-cam.com/video/B_cX1SwiC1Y/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared. One interesting distinction is the only show horizontal launches.
@@AdamCeladinHi former US soldier here, amateur knife thrower. The finger spinning technique seems like it would be used for volley fire, as all throwers can release at once instead of individual wind up times, as well as being able to pack a little closer for a more concentrated attack. It is a technique that doesn't make much sense for an individual thrower, but for squads or firing lines I could see it being pretty devastating, because the thrower gets to hide behind the shield bearer so the enemy can't retaliate. Kinda like how xbows were preferred over longbows for sieging a fortified position because the xbower needs relatively less space to shoot and is less exposed. Also less tiring if you have assistants to wind the xbows, and I imagine finger spinning is also a bit less tiring than a direct throw if you're doing a lot of throwing. Edit: also perhaps used in ambushes or around corners so the enemy doesn't have time to take cover or dive to the ground.
@@williambreazeal387 thats the ONLY video where you can see just finger spinning technique on whole youtube BUT when he want to show penetration test he switch right away for classic side arm throw! why he would do it if finger spin is so good? It makes no sense in combat really
I really love how you pronounce reliable as re-allible! It made me chuckle because it's so adorable. The pinch grip & hammer grip seemed to be the most effective, to the point that only preference would be at play as to which to use. The finger spin seems to be a closely guarded secret technique. It would look awesome, but is impractical for anyone who isn't trained to do it perfectly.
It's the rotational force you can generate in the spin vs the leverage of your arm. Though generally yes, it's easier to put more energy into the chakram with a direct throw, so the finger spin would be preferred for other reasons. I think volley fire or sieging would be the reasons.
Super interesting video, brother! Loved seeing how powerful these chakram are, especially when thrown from different angles! I feel like the standard overhand and underhand would be my go-to techniques, and the finger spinning should definitely be left to for the movies. 👍👍
The finger spin always seemed for intimidation and showmanship. It can't develop the same kind of power as just a more normal throw. That's just how the body works.
You can see chakram being "held" by one finger in Hindu god art. I figured it was symbolic, rather than a representation of how it was supposed to be used.
I question the penetration depth and lethality of non poisoned hand thrown weapons other than tomahawks. Especially things like this. (Obviously neck shots and such aren’t what I’m talking about, torso/chest hits are what I’m talking about)
I'm not familiar with old Sikh manuscripts, but from what I see from looking at Chinese ones, a number of things when they're out of context, can be misinterpreted. Based for example on an illustration alone, it is hard to say if it is from an actual manual, or a novel, a fantasy, or just someone's personal artwork. Many times things like that are a storytelling device. No different than in modern times. Imagine looking at our action movies now as combat guides. That'd be crazy, right? Well in a thousand years, who may know the difference? Lol I have a feeling something like this may be the case with that Chakram throw.
I got to slow down the original chakram video I'm almost wondering if he's lifting up his middle finger and then tilting his wrist to aid in the launch. So cool that those things can go through bamboo and severe limbs it would be an outstanding hunting weapon for turkeys.
The spinning on the finger seems to be used with the smaller ones and they are also thrown like cards or ninja stars. The bigger ones seem to be more thrown in close but more used by throwing underhanded into the air towards the group of enemies. It would fly vertically up and gravity would pull it down faster increasing the force if hitting the target but also a distraction and like throwing knives they main purpose wasn't it seems to kill even if it could do it, but to cause injuries, fear, and distraction. Of course they tried to use it to kill and great if it did, but imagine having something like that flying towards you, you dodge or blocked it only to find that seconds allowed the person to come close in to use a knife to stab or slice you.
I would like to see it demonstrated from the end of a pike or similar. As far as the finger spinning, quite possible there was a lot more technique to it. Much like throwiing a baseball. The fingers have a lot to do with how the ball behaves in the air.
The only usage that seemed legitimate for the finger spin was because of its position. It isn't used for power, but because you could spin the chakram up high above your head. Against an enemy wielding a shield, at long distance the side frisbee throw can arc in from above, but up close it is easy to block the chakram with a shield. So, imagine two shield walls coming up against each other. The chakram users in the second and third rows use the finger spin to throw over the shields and aim at faces. You don't need a lot of power to disrupt people with blades coming at their eyes and ears.
Spinning on a finger was done above the head when in tight packed troop formations when normal throws could potentially cut your fellow soldiers according to a video I saw by a practitioner of Sikh martial arts.
Do you have link? there is very little info about this technique also it still makes no sense if you can see i dont have to wind up at all with over hand pinch grip i can throw also with just a wrist flick and waaay faster then finger spin i would put my money on it ,)
@@AdamCeladin I sort of have a link. It isn't on TH-cam anywhere I can find but is on Amazon Prime video for purchase. The show is called "Weapon Masters" and stars Mike Loades. I researched it & the bit I was thinking of is there but seems like a bit is missing (I originally saw it on Netflix years ago) so it possible there was another edit/version or I remember wrong. Also I thought there was a part where Mike shows some Indian temple paintings of chakram but it wasn't in the version on Amazon; so that may be missing or from some other show.
@@AdamCeladin ...but I agree it's a weak throw & the situation it's described being used in seems it's only used for short distances thrown from group formations from behind a line of men with shields. The idea seems to be a way you can throw them but not cut your friends in doing so.
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 you can do 1000 % totally same thing with pinch grip over hand throw sooo much faster and there is no way you gonna hurt someone because you dont need big wind up only wrist flick would be enough so i really believe this technique they show to tourists like a cool extra skill but i really doubt it they would use it often in hard combat when time is limited.
@@AdamCeladin You could very well right. I'm only trying to say there seems to be some possibility it was done. Even if it's not a good way to do it that doesn't mean people didn't do it. 😂 The reason I say it might possibly be historic is I think I've seen medieval Indian art showing folks spinning chakram on fingers (but art can be fanciful or mythological so it's definitely not proof). Also there is a description given by a Portuguese chronicler Duarte Barbosa wrote in 1516 of the chakram being used: "The people of the kingdom are very good fighting men and good knights, armed with many kinds of weapons; they are great bowmen, and very strong men; they have very good lances, swords, daggers, steel maces, and battle-axes, with which they fight; and they have some steel wheels, which they call chakarani, two fingers broad, sharp outside like knives, and without edge inside; and the surface of these is of the size of a small plate. And they carry seven or eight of these each, put on the left arm; and they take one and put it on the finger of the right hand, and make it spin round many times, and so they hurl it at their enemies, and if they hit anyone on the arm or leg or neck, it cuts through all. And with these they carry on much fighting, and are very dexterous with them." But, to be fair this isn't necessarily proof chakram were used this way in combat. He discusses the chakram after listing the other weapons so this could have been describing a game played by soldiers in downtime like darts or something. I apologies if I made it sound like I definitely think the technique was done in combat. I think it could have been but as you said there are definitely better methods. Given you are far, far more an expert on throwing weapons than myself your opinion certainly holds a lot of weight. Regardless I'll see if I can dig up any more information (art or something) & thank you for the engaging conversation!
I think anyone who tries to coin a martial art to originating in a specific place is being dishonest. The word "martial" means "appropriate to war", and the "art" in this describes people who are practicing for war/battle. Later the term came to describe the practice of fighting, and only in more recent years did people start to associate the term with personal self defense. I guess what I'm saying is that almost every single culture in history trained/practiced how to fight/attack and defend for war, so it would be impossible to figure out the very first civilization that created some sort of structure for battle.
Its not reliable weapon. In war context. Against armored oponent even less. Cant hit gaps in armors. Realistically you can hit targets effectively up to 7 meters. While pro archer will nail you at 77. Throwing stars are much more reliable. If are heavy and sharp enough of course. Disk is so much better than ring. And gonna hit lot harder. Pretty much like predator disk.
YOU CAN SEE SPINNING THE RING ON FINGER IS TOO SLOPPY WHEN YOU THROW IT’S OFF NOT ENOUGH POWER OR ABLE TO GET IT TO SPIN STRAIGHT OFF YOUR FINGER BUT OF THROWN CORRECTLY IT’S A VERY LETHAL WEAPON 💯
Isn't it a waste of metal? Ok it lands right in every case, but if you're a long distance warrior, isn't more confortable to have like 10 throwing knife that you can use while someone grab you to stab him? You can throw even a bigger knife, and in the Italian renaissment, everyone fight(in the city, because there were laws for the weapons you can curry in the city like Florence, you werw allowed to use only a one-hand sword and a dagger).. so for you all( sorry for my grammar😅) isn't a waste of steel at the time, produce and use chakram? What's the real benefit of such weapon?
nikdy som nebral ten čekram za nebezpecnu zbran , ale ked si ukazal tu brutalnu penetraciu a obrovske rozseknutie, tak je to sakra nebezpecna zbran, kedze pri nozi ta zrani čepel a čekram ma čepel vsade 😂 , kamoš velka pochvala za ceske titulky , dik
Hey brother! How are you doing today? I'm well. I've always loved these weapons. They look very cool. Anywho, I hope all is well with you and yours. Be safe, be well and go with Christ my brother. Tony out. Peace.
Which of these Techniques is your Favorite? Thank you Everybody for watching and comments ,))
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My Favourite one was overhand Pinch grip throw
@@saifialeem8255 Same. Super practical and effective.
Pinch grip with an overhand throw seems to be the most practical to me. Thanks for the instruction on the Chakram Adam!
Thank you my friend
the spinning on the finger is one of those skills with a very specific sweet spot for how to do it, skallagrim did a great video a fair while ago about them and got good consistent throws using the finger spin
He actually did recent video where he said he also is not quite sure if it was really done in combat or more of exhibition throws like we have trick shots today
@@AdamCeladin im leaning more towards "ceremonial" maybe in combination with a traditional dance, it seems like a flashy dance move to me
@@AdamCeladinBritish battlefield historians describe its use as finger thrown. The surviving Sikh masters use the technique. Whatever its advantages or not, I’m currently of the opinion that the Sikh’s actually did this in warfare. Maybe it had religious significance. I believe they also threw it in the manner you show as seen here th-cam.com/video/B_cX1SwiC1Y/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared. One interesting distinction is the only show horizontal launches.
@@AdamCeladinHi former US soldier here, amateur knife thrower. The finger spinning technique seems like it would be used for volley fire, as all throwers can release at once instead of individual wind up times, as well as being able to pack a little closer for a more concentrated attack. It is a technique that doesn't make much sense for an individual thrower, but for squads or firing lines I could see it being pretty devastating, because the thrower gets to hide behind the shield bearer so the enemy can't retaliate. Kinda like how xbows were preferred over longbows for sieging a fortified position because the xbower needs relatively less space to shoot and is less exposed. Also less tiring if you have assistants to wind the xbows, and I imagine finger spinning is also a bit less tiring than a direct throw if you're doing a lot of throwing.
Edit: also perhaps used in ambushes or around corners so the enemy doesn't have time to take cover or dive to the ground.
@@williambreazeal387 thats the ONLY video where you can see just finger spinning technique on whole youtube BUT when he want to show penetration test he switch right away for classic side arm throw! why he would do it if finger spin is so good? It makes no sense in combat really
I really love how you pronounce reliable as re-allible! It made me chuckle because it's so adorable.
The pinch grip & hammer grip seemed to be the most effective, to the point that only preference would be at play as to which to use.
The finger spin seems to be a closely guarded secret technique. It would look awesome, but is impractical for anyone who isn't trained to do it perfectly.
Your throwing space is incredible!
Thank you my friend
Especially the string-Shakram is great.
A 3 inch finger's leverage vs. a 28 inch arm's leverage is a no brainer.
It's the rotational force you can generate in the spin vs the leverage of your arm. Though generally yes, it's easier to put more energy into the chakram with a direct throw, so the finger spin would be preferred for other reasons. I think volley fire or sieging would be the reasons.
Super interesting video, brother! Loved seeing how powerful these chakram are, especially when thrown from different angles! I feel like the standard overhand and underhand would be my go-to techniques, and the finger spinning should definitely be left to for the movies. 👍👍
Thank you brother totally agree
The finger spin always seemed for intimidation and showmanship. It can't develop the same kind of power as just a more normal throw. That's just how the body works.
Pinch grip is my favorite.
Your reaction after throwing the necklace was hilarious 😂
I did not expect it 🤣👌
You can see chakram being "held" by one finger in Hindu god art. I figured it was symbolic, rather than a representation of how it was supposed to be used.
Nice! Okay, shuriken vs chakram!! Need to know.
Same here. I noticed a lot of similarities between the two throwing techniques and would like to see a comparison/contrast.
I question the penetration depth and lethality of non poisoned hand thrown weapons other than tomahawks. Especially things like this. (Obviously neck shots and such aren’t what I’m talking about, torso/chest hits are what I’m talking about)
It's a turkey hunting tool w/o being an expandable Broadhead.
Good video bro, I love pinch grip the most 💥😃
Same here !
Thank you brother me too 😎
The underarm must generate some serious power with these chakram.practical technique in battle too I would have thought.
That no reload was fast as hell
Thank you brother
Awesome Video Really love the Weapon. What's the red spot on your arm, I'm a bit concerned
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Thank you my friend little cut from knife no problem 😎
Fabulous video. I have to go to the blacksmith. 😉
Thank you my friend
I'm not familiar with old Sikh manuscripts, but from what I see from looking at Chinese ones, a number of things when they're out of context, can be misinterpreted.
Based for example on an illustration alone, it is hard to say if it is from an actual manual, or a novel, a fantasy, or just someone's personal artwork. Many times things like that are a storytelling device. No different than in modern times.
Imagine looking at our action movies now as combat guides. That'd be crazy, right? Well in a thousand years, who may know the difference? Lol
I have a feeling something like this may be the case with that Chakram throw.
Exactly, thank you my friend
I got to slow down the original chakram video I'm almost wondering if he's lifting up his middle finger and then tilting his wrist to aid in the launch. So cool that those things can go through bamboo and severe limbs it would be an outstanding hunting weapon for turkeys.
Paráda kámo pozdravujem ťa.🖐️🙂👍👍👍
Moc díky kamaráde at se daří
Good demonstration 😊
Wow. Points for Xena. If you practice (A LOT) enough, you can be like Xena and ricochet your chakram.
The spinning on the finger seems to be used with the smaller ones and they are also thrown like cards or ninja stars. The bigger ones seem to be more thrown in close but more used by throwing underhanded into the air towards the group of enemies. It would fly vertically up and gravity would pull it down faster increasing the force if hitting the target but also a distraction and like throwing knives they main purpose wasn't it seems to kill even if it could do it, but to cause injuries, fear, and distraction. Of course they tried to use it to kill and great if it did, but imagine having something like that flying towards you, you dodge or blocked it only to find that seconds allowed the person to come close in to use a knife to stab or slice you.
THANK YOU ADAM VERY USEFUL BLESSINGS BROTHER 😇❤️💯
Thank you brother
I would like to see it demonstrated from the end of a pike or similar.
As far as the finger spinning, quite possible there was a lot more technique to it. Much like throwiing a baseball. The fingers have a lot to do with how the ball behaves in the air.
Awesome brother thanks 🙏
Thank you brother
Many accounts claim that a master chakram thrower, with a certain throw, could ltetally behead an opponent.
i am a pro disc golfer.i love sidearm and overhand,i would like to try a traditional Frisbee throw two
Thank you my friend I have to try disc golf one day
@@AdamCeladin with your accuracy, no one would play against you. But they would definitely want you on their team.😊
The only usage that seemed legitimate for the finger spin was because of its position. It isn't used for power, but because you could spin the chakram up high above your head. Against an enemy wielding a shield, at long distance the side frisbee throw can arc in from above, but up close it is easy to block the chakram with a shield. So, imagine two shield walls coming up against each other. The chakram users in the second and third rows use the finger spin to throw over the shields and aim at faces. You don't need a lot of power to disrupt people with blades coming at their eyes and ears.
Ahoj Adame, budu kupovat chakram z acejetu, ale nevím, jestli si vybrat to ostří rovné nebo šikmé?
Ahoj, šel bych zakrivene pro lepší fly path
A human cant say how fast that was, the no reload , needs a lazer to count
The pinch grip, I thought the spinning technique was a harassment technique?
Xena's Warrior neckless.
Spinning on a finger was done above the head when in tight packed troop formations when normal throws could potentially cut your fellow soldiers according to a video I saw by a practitioner of Sikh martial arts.
Do you have link? there is very little info about this technique also it still makes no sense if you can see i dont have to wind up at all with over hand pinch grip i can throw also with just a wrist flick and waaay faster then finger spin i would put my money on it ,)
@@AdamCeladin I sort of have a link. It isn't on TH-cam anywhere I can find but is on Amazon Prime video for purchase. The show is called "Weapon Masters" and stars Mike Loades.
I researched it & the bit I was thinking of is there but seems like a bit is missing (I originally saw it on Netflix years ago) so it possible there was another edit/version or I remember wrong. Also I thought there was a part where Mike shows some Indian temple paintings of chakram but it wasn't in the version on Amazon; so that may be missing or from some other show.
@@AdamCeladin ...but I agree it's a weak throw & the situation it's described being used in seems it's only used for short distances thrown from group formations from behind a line of men with shields.
The idea seems to be a way you can throw them but not cut your friends in doing so.
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 you can do 1000 % totally same thing with pinch grip over hand throw sooo much faster and there is no way you gonna hurt someone because you dont need big wind up only wrist flick would be enough so i really believe this technique they show to tourists like a cool extra skill but i really doubt it they would use it often in hard combat when time is limited.
@@AdamCeladin You could very well right. I'm only trying to say there seems to be some possibility it was done. Even if it's not a good way to do it that doesn't mean people didn't do it. 😂
The reason I say it might possibly be historic is I think I've seen medieval Indian art showing folks spinning chakram on fingers (but art can be fanciful or mythological so it's definitely not proof). Also there is a description given by a Portuguese chronicler Duarte Barbosa wrote in 1516 of the chakram being used:
"The people of the kingdom are very good fighting men and good knights, armed with many kinds of weapons; they are great bowmen, and very strong men; they have very good lances, swords, daggers, steel maces, and battle-axes, with which they fight; and they have some steel wheels, which they call chakarani, two fingers broad, sharp outside like knives, and without edge inside; and the surface of these is of the size of a small plate. And they carry seven or eight of these each, put on the left arm; and they take one and put it on the finger of the right hand, and make it spin round many times, and so they hurl it at their enemies, and if they hit anyone on the arm or leg or neck, it cuts through all. And with these they carry on much fighting, and are very dexterous with them."
But, to be fair this isn't necessarily proof chakram were used this way in combat. He discusses the chakram after listing the other weapons so this could have been describing a game played by soldiers in downtime like darts or something.
I apologies if I made it sound like I definitely think the technique was done in combat. I think it could have been but as you said there are definitely better methods. Given you are far, far more an expert on throwing weapons than myself your opinion certainly holds a lot of weight.
Regardless I'll see if I can dig up any more information (art or something) & thank you for the engaging conversation!
Yeah throwing them is better than the finger toss.
Where can I buy one of those
@@lexxboom check the link in description
Is this recorded im Czechia ? Fajfr štýl nápis
Yes sir
@@AdamCeladin thank you for answer and videos too ...your skills are great
@@uvedomelalama8139 thank you my friend 🙏💪
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Turn one one Finger ist for afrating the emie
if you played frisbee golf you would dominate.
Hehe thank you for watching and comment my friend
Some say the first "martial art" was INDIA
I think anyone who tries to coin a martial art to originating in a specific place is being dishonest. The word "martial" means "appropriate to war", and the "art" in this describes people who are practicing for war/battle. Later the term came to describe the practice of fighting, and only in more recent years did people start to associate the term with personal self defense. I guess what I'm saying is that almost every single culture in history trained/practiced how to fight/attack and defend for war, so it would be impossible to figure out the very first civilization that created some sort of structure for battle.
I guess you can't throw it like a Frisbee.
You can
yea no1 is using tajani technique on the battlefield... its just for show
Its not reliable weapon. In war context. Against armored oponent even less. Cant hit gaps in armors. Realistically you can hit targets effectively up to 7 meters. While pro archer will nail you at 77. Throwing stars are much more reliable. If are heavy and sharp enough of course. Disk is so much better than ring. And gonna hit lot harder. Pretty much like predator disk.
YOU CAN SEE SPINNING THE RING ON FINGER IS TOO SLOPPY WHEN YOU THROW IT’S OFF NOT ENOUGH POWER OR ABLE TO GET IT TO SPIN STRAIGHT OFF YOUR FINGER BUT OF THROWN CORRECTLY IT’S A VERY LETHAL WEAPON 💯
Yes sir
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Isn't it a waste of metal? Ok it lands right in every case, but if you're a long distance warrior, isn't more confortable to have like 10 throwing knife that you can use while someone grab you to stab him? You can throw even a bigger knife, and in the Italian renaissment, everyone fight(in the city, because there were laws for the weapons you can curry in the city like Florence, you werw allowed to use only a one-hand sword and a dagger).. so for you all( sorry for my grammar😅) isn't a waste of steel at the time, produce and use chakram? What's the real benefit of such weapon?
nikdy som nebral ten čekram za nebezpecnu zbran , ale ked si ukazal tu brutalnu penetraciu a obrovske rozseknutie, tak je to sakra nebezpecna zbran, kedze pri nozi ta zrani čepel a čekram ma čepel vsade 😂 , kamoš velka pochvala za ceske titulky , dik
Moc díky je to brutal zbraň
So, you proved you're better with a chakram than Xena, but sorry dude, she's much hotter than you.😁
Hey brother! How are you doing today? I'm well. I've always loved these weapons. They look very cool. Anywho, I hope all is well with you and yours. Be safe, be well and go with Christ my brother. Tony out. Peace.
Hey brother all good on my side thank you God bless
Throw all at once or speed throwing fantastic skill😊