I’m using GP5000TL in size 28 and they are the sweet spot for UK roads and ideal for someone wanting to go down the fatter tyre route. Taking the whole picture into account when riding on the flat up a climb down a bumpy road etc I would say they are more comfortable and overall a bit faster than a 23/25 tyre. They change the geometry a touch and make the bike feel more planted and a touch taller but in a positive way. Strong disc brakes fatter tyres and much more composure and comfort are the road bike future. The bike doesn’t beat you up so much as you ride it you can ride faster stronger longer and feel better afterwards too.
Thanks for throwing the 32c on there. I’m thinking of some gravel races in the future. I have 28c s-works rapid air setup tubeless on my 2021 Emonda. Super happy. These tires are great. Just put in a 112 mile ride. Felt amazing.
Just changed my stock 28mm Bontrager clincher tube tires to Schwalbe Pro One 700x30c. They fit perfect and I must say the ride quality is much improved
For training, mixed light gravel and bad tarmac this are the best tires. I rode the tl version on 18mm inner width dt swiss rims and they super fast and comfy- love them...
Great video buddy. I'm looking at getting back in to road cycling & a bit of light gravel. Seen a nice 2020 Emonda, and this was my main concern, tyre width max. You have confirmed it for me, that 32s will work well. Thanks, and keep the great videos coming. 👍
I love 32mm tires for comfort but wonder about the aero hit you are taking with that very expensive wheel/tire combo in the process. Perhaps pairing a 28/30c tire with a wider rim would get you the comfort gains without taking a significant aero hit at higher speeds.
I have a 2020 Emonda SLR6 and it takes a max of 28mm tires. I wish I could fit 32. I run Conti 4 Season tires and never flatted in nearly 20k miles. That's also using sealant and tubes. I found the Continental GP series tires are prone to sidewall failures. I had so many on my Madone I switched to the 4 Season. I replace my tires ~ 2k miles and no issues. Thanks for sharing.
Nice. I have a Specialized Tarmac SL6 and just about to swap my stock wheels with 25mm tyres for carbon wheels (50mm) with 32mm tyres. The max. rec. is 30mm but I’ve checked 32mm (with stock wheels) and they fit with 3mm clearance…so on the limit. Looking forward to seeing how it rides with the new hoops and tyres! 😀
Nice review - not techy but real world experience. I upgraded my Trek Domane SL7 4 with these tyres, 30mm at the front 32mm at the back, and they are a great match and improvement. The Domane is not a great stand up and accelerate bike, these tyres helped to take off some of that sluggishness. Moreover, the bike now feels even smoother, even quieter and yes, I am getting better performance on the flats. Recommended, especially if you can get them discounted.
I’m running 30/32s on mine. Just got back from a 25 mile ride over broken asphalt and got a bit beat up. Just curious about what psi you recommend. My tires are 45-70 psi, I run a little over 60 psi.
Terry, Just check the Continental tyre pressure chart - enter your weight and tyres details (and rim information) and see how you go. I'd say 60 is too much... You might be surprised at the low recommendation but it's different now to what it used to be, especially with tubeless. - Rob
Cool video. Recently purchased an Emonda SLR (2019). Specs say limited to 25mm but I've seen at least one video with 32mm. Going to try 30mm which should fit.
Thank you for the wheel/tire review. In a week I get my Domane SLR 7 with the Bontrager RSL 37 wheels. Will also have tubeless 32s. Hopefully fewer flats than my current 2016 Domane w 100 plus PSI tubed 25s.
I'm contemplating going from 28 mm to 32 mm on my Trek Émonda, but I'm a little unsure of the clearance between the chainstays and the tires. Is there enough room between the two to prevent a build-up of some mud? The video is a little unclear. It looks from the video vantage that it's tight between the top of the tire and the fork crown. Is that the case?
David, It was a while ago that I did that video and I cannot recall the exact numbers but 80 to 100 is way toooooo much if you're going tubeless. Best bet is to check the Continental site and find the pressure settings page. You can enter all your details - inc. wheel type (hooked or hookless rims, etc), your weight, and the type of riding your do. From memory, I had about 55psi... while riding at around 65kg. - Rob
Great review. I’m on my sub 5.5 kilo maybe too light SLR 2018 with mechanical da9000 but gone back 23s for summer rides. Almost too fast skittish. Light and feel uncertain on damp roads. I need fast 28s. I usually run winter 28s and summer 25s. 23s are so odd these days. I had 5 years away from 23. Oh it runs so fast as AX lightness semi deep wheels light stiff. Bike mental but would love a fairly light stiff aero bike as just super light doesn’t win out flat roads
Thanks for this evaluation. I'm riding 28 tubeless Pirelli zeros now on. the 2022 Emonda SL6 Disc pro and wanted to know if a 30 would be a more comfortable ride. I definitely notice the difference with tubeless tire vs the R3 clicher. It feels smoother over the bumps and there seems to be much more grip and control . Trek has a recommended going no wider than 28 MM but after seeing this I am going to opt for the 30 on a different set of wheels to satisfy the itch. I think so long as the width of the rim is sufficient it will be fine. THat begs the question . What rim for the 30 mm ? Im riding on the stock Bontrager Aeolus Elite 35, OCLV Carbon.
Oh man, that's a bit to take in... and there's many ways this conversation could go. Currently, as of this morning, riding Reynolds Black Label 46. Man, holy shit... first ride: unreal. Fantastic. Fast. Cool. Smoooooth bearings. Nice in wind. Blah, blah, blah... really, quite a surprise. So, well... as your comment is about a review from years ago, I'm not sure what direction to take. I might need to bang out an overview about my wheels (since that Bontrager / Trek review). Ah... let me think. I'll get back to you. - Rob
PS. Have recently gone from 32mm (for, well... most of the last 3 years) to 28mm... with good tyres. And... well, they are light. They feel good on the road. They fit well (with modern rim dimensions) and are tubeless. And... so far, so very, very good. - Rob
Would you happen to know what size tube we need for the standard size tire the emonda came with? I bought the new sl6 and it’s 28 mm stock, obviously i assume you had the same from the factory. But i got a flat and was putting a new tube in (700x28-32) and realized how damn big the tube is. Like there is always a crinkle in it even when i blow it up. Am i supposed to be using 700x20-25mm tubes or something? It’s just odd because this has never happened before. I thought maybe it was a dud tube or something and used another one but same result.
TheKauaiboyz51 good question. I did film the tubes at weigh in but didn’t include in fitting clip. But I’ve used what came with bike/wheels - Bontrager tubes 20-25, I think. They were 110g each. 60mm valve.
You're not kidding on how big the tubes are with 700x28-32c, and I also experienced the crinkle in the tube. Didn't care for that. So I went to Specialized tubes, 700x20-28c. Would it actually be an issue running 700x20-25c, probably not. For myself, since my LBS carries Specialized, I will just stay with them, Oh I am running GP 5000s 28mm tires on 21mm internal width HED wheels.
Tower Runner interesting, very good to know thanks man. yea i literally just bought the GP 5000’s for the bike too and it wasnt until i put the tube on that i realized it. hmm maybe i should get a specialized tube. i was kind of thinking of running 20-25 instead of the 28-32
ridemedia wow interesting it came with 20-25. mine came with 28-32 and i got a flat easily. i dont know if this makes any difference but the rim says its 20mm. so does that mean the tube should be a 20-25 even though i have a 28mm tire?
The computer mount (also fitting the light, from memory - as this was a test bike) is from Trek: came with the bike package. The lights are early generation (front) Bontrager, something-or-other (ie. can't remember the model name). I have the newer version and it's brilliant too, but the first gen is still in use often. Hope that helps, but it was a while ago now and the lights are elsewhere right now, so I can't check the model. - Rob
A higher rotating mass keeps better speed but a lower rotating mass accelerates better. Heavier is better on a road bike.. Lighter is better on a mtb..
My commuter road bike has lightweight frame but a heavier front wheel (Spengle trispoke), to help with momentum. In my experience that helps with making the bike roll longer with less pedaling. So I assume that lightweight frame with heavy wheels is a good thing for road bikes My MTB has a Chinese carbon frame with 36mm gravel tires
I am running 28/28 GP5000 TL on my Look 795 Blade RS. Have a 32/32 GP 5000 TL on my gravel bike. I would say the sweet spot is 28/32 as the 32 front is a little "numb" and makes the turn in a touch vague.
That sounds odd: the bike came fitted with a 10-33 cassette. And it functioned perfectly well: crisp shifts throughout the test period... Here is the build: th-cam.com/video/9O_O-a2XyWA/w-d-xo.html And here's a slow-mo of the shifting: instagram.com/p/CB2X16fpCwO/?
If this can run 32s on the normal RSL 37s which have a 21mm internal width, would the Aeolus RSL 37V TLRs (which have a 25mm internal and 32mm external width) fit this frameset?
Joseph, that's a great question. And, given that I didn't even know there was a 25mm rim option, I cannot answer you. But I'm interested enough to know more. Perhaps best to consider the pictures here and note now tight it already is. I'd say, if you're going to get the wider rim... well, it's probably best to start looking at a frame/fork combo that has been designed more for the kind of riding you're keen on doing than this lightweight beauty. Should you (or I) find out more, let's be sure to leave another comment. I'm due to speak with Trek again soon... but no one has yet spoken to me about this 32mm tyre experiment, so I'm not too sure that they liked me doing it on the review bike. (Rob)
Would 32mm fit on my 2020 tarmac disk pro?? I have quite deep roval carbon rims. I’m currently riding 28mm GP5000s but hit a pot hole yesterday and pinched the tube. Snake bite
Aaron, sorry... but while I sit here at a desk (ie. not with a 2020 Tarmac to consider), I don't have an answer for you. My guess is that, just as with the Trek, yes... it should work (even if Specialized doesn't recommend it). That being said, RIDE Media has been ignored by Specialized for years... so I'd rather not offer a comment on that brand other than what I've explained.
@@Aaron83W - you may have seen this already, but here Trek's designers explain the notion of tyre / tire clearance... and what they consider "acceptable" or not. My guess is Specialized would have a similar approach. th-cam.com/video/laZsFChDrYo/w-d-xo.html Note: someone has written to say that he got a piece of gravel stuck in his tyre once and, without more clearance with the frame (or fork, I can't remember), the stone took a nasty chunk out of the paint. That's something to consider. PS. He didn't crash, but he did get the bike repainted.
ridemedia ouch!! Out here in Las Vegas I seem to hit pot holes as I ride at 4:30am in the dark or I do night rides. In the last month I’ve had to replace one GP5000 tyre and a few tubes. Yesterday I did 85km and hit a pole hole which pinched the tyre in a couple places. I’m really fed up with ending my rides after running out of patches. I’ve considered putting Mr TUFFY ultra light tyre liners in which have great reviews. However, I see a few guys have recommended using 32mm tyres which will have a bigger cushion.
@@Aaron83W - hmmm, interesting. Having just been out in the dark again this morning (fresh tyres... and another story due soon), I understand. What pressure are you putting in and what do you weigh? There's a real trend towards lower pressures, certainly with tubeless. Have you tried? I'm now using Pirelli P Zero 28mm (first ride today) and they're great but it's the first time that I've thought: too much pressure. I'm old-school, so I'm still over-inflating... the packaging offers pressure suggestions depending on rim width and rider weight. At 64kg (not sure what that is in Imperial, but I'm not heavy), I'm supposed to run 75psi (according to Pirelli). Today I started with 85 (just because I fitted them yesterday and I wanted to hear the bead 'ping' into the rim and then I forgot to ease 10psi out... They rode nicely, certainly rolled quickly and stuck in corners, but they did feel quite harsh. Tomorrow, I'll go with 75psi and see how it affects handling.
This was the last time I rode with tubes... and they weren't even Latex, just bog-standard inner tubes. Have a look through the videos on the RIDE Media channel from around November last year onwards and you'll see plenty of references to tubeless: Campagnolo Shamal, Zipp 303s, ENVE G23, Bontrager's new Aeolus RSL 62... etc. And soon there'll be more wheel reviews too. Alas, currently in lockdown and not riding outside - for 76 days, so far... and counting. - Rob
Any thoughts on SlR 7 emonda v sl7 tarmac expert. I’m struggling with the varied reviews regarding ride quality and Tyre clearance. New to high end bikes. Cheers
Riding with 80psi... and, after another adventure this morning - 75km of up and down along the coast in Sydney - I'm liking the tyres more and more. (Maybe I'll experiment a little with pressure but 80 suits me, at 64kg, at the moment...)
@@ride-media and here I am using Continental GP5000 25c front tire at 68psi, 28c rear tire at 71psi. I'm 63kg so our weight are very similar. It seems like you overinflate 32c big time.
the old gp4000 28's measured out at 31 usually, what i have on now on Paradigm elite rims.(a wider rim) What do these 5000's 32s measure out at actually? Interestingly the conti gran prix four season 28's measure 28 so I don't know why the 4000's were so bulgy. You could also comment on tire pressure- I find the 4000's I run 55/60 f/r
All good points... so, here are my answers: on the Bontrager RSL 37 rims, with 80psi, the GP5000s (32mm) measure 33mm wide. As you say, this is going to vary depending on rim. And, when I switch back to the Bontrager tyres, I'll measure the height difference too, but it feels quite dramatic. Interesting how a few millimetres extra can make such a huge difference...
@@ride-media so I think this means that they are a bridge too far in a non disc frame. I can barely get the 4000s in to the emonda ALR, (single pivot 105) and no way on the emonda SLR 2016 because the front brake is too low on the fork. thanks for the followup
That's surprising to me. I have Conti GP 4 Seasons in 28 width, and mounted, it measures at 31.4 on a 19 internal, 25 external width rim. I run a 25 width on the front, given how much they balloon.
Some say that there has never been a day where the wind wasn't blowing at least 30 km/h from the SSW at Heffron Park. And that concrete surface! What were they thinking?
Yesterday morning, the wind was mild - essentially nil by Heffron standards... but the dog count was high, and the smashed-glass-dodge required more than once. But at least there wasn't traffic. Crap concrete roads or cars on a Thursday morning in Sydney? I did both. And survived. PS. Seen this: fulgaz.com/fulgaz-rides/?fg_ride=c86622d8b3984ae5a6459fb9
I'm planning on doing the same on my Venge 2019 and my Vias, I recon they will fit on the Venge 2019-2020 but I guess they will also fit on the Vias. It should make the bike feel like a Tarmac, maybe!
I've got that same frame and, looking at the current clearance running 25mm GP4000s, I would say 28mm tires might be too tight. Fitting 32mm tires would certainly be impossible.
This is the most popular tire size in European commuter bike (aka Dutch bikes), and 36mm too. This is my preferred size cause the bike glides more smoothly and you don't need to make as much efforts pedaling like a fatter tire like a MTB tire
Do you ride on any gravel roads there? I just moved to a place with very smooth hard packed dirt/gravel but also paved bike paths everywhere and would like to try a 32.
@@garrettsmith8286 even 28s feel fine on hard packed/smooth gravel. If it gets rocky or loose 1 inch size gravel then 35mm is about as skinny as I'd feel comfortable. My insights from bikepacking in and around the Netherlands.
I’m using GP5000TL in size 28 and they are the sweet spot for UK roads and ideal for someone wanting to go down the fatter tyre route. Taking the whole picture into account when riding on the flat up a climb down a bumpy road etc I would say they are more comfortable and overall a bit faster than a 23/25 tyre. They change the geometry a touch and make the bike feel more planted and a touch taller but in a positive way. Strong disc brakes fatter tyres and much more composure and comfort are the road bike future. The bike doesn’t beat you up so much as you ride it you can ride faster stronger longer and feel better afterwards too.
Thanks for throwing the 32c on there. I’m thinking of some gravel races in the future.
I have 28c s-works rapid air setup tubeless on my 2021 Emonda. Super happy. These tires are great. Just put in a 112 mile ride. Felt amazing.
Just changed my stock 28mm Bontrager clincher tube tires to Schwalbe Pro One 700x30c. They fit perfect and I must say the ride quality is much improved
Great review i have 28mm R4 classics on mine and the ride quality is sublime
For training, mixed light gravel and bad tarmac this are the best tires. I rode the tl version on 18mm inner width dt swiss rims and they super fast and comfy- love them...
Great video buddy. I'm looking at getting back in to road cycling & a bit of light gravel. Seen a nice 2020 Emonda, and this was my main concern, tyre width max. You have confirmed it for me, that 32s will work well. Thanks, and keep the great videos coming. 👍
Love how happy you are riding your bike
I love 32mm tires for comfort but wonder about the aero hit you are taking with that very expensive wheel/tire combo in the process. Perhaps pairing a 28/30c tire with a wider rim would get you the comfort gains without taking a significant aero hit at higher speeds.
I have a 2020 Emonda SLR6 and it takes a max of 28mm tires. I wish I could fit 32. I run Conti 4 Season tires and never flatted in nearly 20k miles. That's also using sealant and tubes. I found the Continental GP series tires are prone to sidewall failures. I had so many on my Madone I switched to the 4 Season. I replace my tires ~ 2k miles and no issues. Thanks for sharing.
Nice. I have a Specialized Tarmac SL6 and just about to swap my stock wheels with 25mm tyres for carbon wheels (50mm) with 32mm tyres. The max. rec. is 30mm but I’ve checked 32mm (with stock wheels) and they fit with 3mm clearance…so on the limit. Looking forward to seeing how it rides with the new hoops and tyres! 😀
Thank you for the video that clarifies the use of tires up to the filling limit
Thanks for doing this series! So useful for those considering the bike.
Nice review - not techy but real world experience. I upgraded my Trek Domane SL7 4 with these tyres, 30mm at the front 32mm at the back, and they are a great match and improvement. The Domane is not a great stand up and accelerate bike, these tyres helped to take off some of that sluggishness. Moreover, the bike now feels even smoother, even quieter and yes, I am getting better performance on the flats. Recommended, especially if you can get them discounted.
You got me on "hang on I gotta take this shot". Loved the view 🥺
That feels like 100 years ago now...
I’m running 30/32s on mine. Just got back from a 25 mile ride over broken asphalt and got a bit beat up. Just curious about what psi you recommend. My tires are 45-70 psi, I run a little over 60 psi.
Terry,
Just check the Continental tyre pressure chart - enter your weight and tyres details (and rim information) and see how you go. I'd say 60 is too much...
You might be surprised at the low recommendation but it's different now to what it used to be, especially with tubeless.
- Rob
How was the weight penalty up steep hills when switching from the 28 to 32?
Great review, thank you. Miss the magazine!
Is there enough clearance in the back with 32mm?
I think you've helped make my mind up and changing over from a Focus Izalco Max 9.9 to one of these :-)
Ah... I'm going back to my Focus Izalco Max shortly. And I'm happy with that too.
Both bikes are excellent.
Since it rolls better and requires less energy to go fasterr, guess the pros will be fitting 38mm tyres soon!
Cool video. Recently purchased an Emonda SLR (2019). Specs say limited to 25mm but I've seen at least one video with 32mm. Going to try 30mm which should fit.
Hi planning to do the same for my 2021 Emonda. A quick question - the 32mm comes tubless. Can you run it with tubes?
Yes you can
Thank you for the wheel/tire review. In a week I get my Domane SLR 7 with the Bontrager RSL 37 wheels. Will also have tubeless 32s. Hopefully fewer flats than my current 2016 Domane w 100 plus PSI tubed 25s.
Can it fit 28c tires with the new zipp 303 fc with 25mm internal rims?
I'm contemplating going from 28 mm to 32 mm on my Trek Émonda, but I'm a little unsure of the clearance between the chainstays and the tires. Is there enough room between the two to prevent a build-up of some mud? The video is a little unclear. It looks from the video vantage that it's tight between the top of the tire and the fork crown. Is that the case?
Check with Trek chat on this. I use it often to get great advice. My 2020 Emonda SLR6 takes 28mm max. My next bike will have to be able to fit 32.
I’ve just purchased the 32s and was wondering what psi you put in yours? It says 80 to 100 max. Great post btw
David,
It was a while ago that I did that video and I cannot recall the exact numbers but 80 to 100 is way toooooo much if you're going tubeless.
Best bet is to check the Continental site and find the pressure settings page. You can enter all your details - inc. wheel type (hooked or hookless rims, etc), your weight, and the type of riding your do.
From memory, I had about 55psi... while riding at around 65kg.
- Rob
thanks so much for your video! Considering buyning Emonda now
Great review. I’m on my sub 5.5 kilo maybe too light SLR 2018 with mechanical da9000 but gone back 23s for summer rides. Almost too fast skittish. Light and feel uncertain on damp roads. I need fast 28s. I usually run winter 28s and summer 25s. 23s are so odd these days. I had 5 years away from 23. Oh it runs so fast as AX lightness semi deep wheels light stiff. Bike mental but would love a fairly light stiff aero bike as just super light doesn’t win out flat roads
Thanks for this evaluation. I'm riding 28 tubeless Pirelli zeros now on. the 2022 Emonda SL6 Disc pro and wanted to know if a 30 would be a more comfortable ride. I definitely notice the difference with tubeless tire vs the R3 clicher. It feels smoother over the bumps and there seems to be much more grip and control . Trek has a recommended going no wider than 28 MM but after seeing this I am going to opt for the 30 on a different set of wheels to satisfy the itch. I think so long as the width of the rim is sufficient it will be fine. THat begs the question . What rim for the 30 mm ? Im riding on the stock Bontrager Aeolus Elite 35, OCLV Carbon.
Oh man, that's a bit to take in... and there's many ways this conversation could go.
Currently, as of this morning, riding Reynolds Black Label 46. Man, holy shit... first ride: unreal. Fantastic. Fast. Cool. Smoooooth bearings. Nice in wind. Blah, blah, blah... really, quite a surprise.
So, well... as your comment is about a review from years ago, I'm not sure what direction to take. I might need to bang out an overview about my wheels (since that Bontrager / Trek review). Ah... let me think.
I'll get back to you.
- Rob
PS. Have recently gone from 32mm (for, well... most of the last 3 years) to 28mm... with good tyres.
And... well, they are light. They feel good on the road. They fit well (with modern rim dimensions) and are tubeless. And... so far, so very, very good.
- Rob
Would you happen to know what size tube we need for the standard size tire the emonda came with? I bought the new sl6 and it’s 28 mm stock, obviously i assume you had the same from the factory. But i got a flat and was putting a new tube in (700x28-32) and realized how damn big the tube is. Like there is always a crinkle in it even when i blow it up. Am i supposed to be using 700x20-25mm tubes or something? It’s just odd because this has never happened before. I thought maybe it was a dud tube or something and used another one but same result.
TheKauaiboyz51 good question. I did film the tubes at weigh in but didn’t include in fitting clip. But I’ve used what came with bike/wheels - Bontrager tubes 20-25, I think. They were 110g each. 60mm valve.
You're not kidding on how big the tubes are with 700x28-32c, and I also experienced the crinkle in the tube. Didn't care for that. So I went to Specialized tubes, 700x20-28c. Would it actually be an issue running 700x20-25c, probably not. For myself, since my LBS carries Specialized, I will just stay with them, Oh I am running GP 5000s 28mm tires on 21mm internal width HED wheels.
Tower Runner interesting, very good to know thanks man. yea i literally just bought the GP 5000’s for the bike too and it wasnt until i put the tube on that i realized it. hmm maybe i should get a specialized tube. i was kind of thinking of running 20-25 instead of the 28-32
ridemedia wow interesting it came with 20-25. mine came with 28-32 and i got a flat easily. i dont know if this makes any difference but the rim says its 20mm. so does that mean the tube should be a 20-25 even though i have a 28mm tire?
I'll never go back to 23c 32c I think is the best since roads aren't exactly smooth more confidence over bumps
Can you tell me what bar fly are you using that connect the bike computer as well as the bike light in one.
The computer mount (also fitting the light, from memory - as this was a test bike) is from Trek: came with the bike package.
The lights are early generation (front) Bontrager, something-or-other (ie. can't remember the model name). I have the newer version and it's brilliant too, but the first gen is still in use often.
Hope that helps, but it was a while ago now and the lights are elsewhere right now, so I can't check the model.
- Rob
Did you see the GCN video on debunking the rotating mass theory?
A higher rotating mass keeps better speed but a lower rotating mass accelerates better.
Heavier is better on a road bike..
Lighter is better on a mtb..
@@johnnybravo1912 not sure that’s the take away
@@jtsblocks thats the take away.. Read up on flywheels and how they work..
If you maintain a perfect cadence when you ride road, you’re probably not riding on real roads. Just sayin. Time trials are one thing.
My commuter road bike has lightweight frame but a heavier front wheel (Spengle trispoke), to help with momentum. In my experience that helps with making the bike roll longer with less pedaling.
So I assume that lightweight frame with heavy wheels is a good thing for road bikes
My MTB has a Chinese carbon frame with 36mm gravel tires
I am running 28/28 GP5000 TL on my Look 795 Blade RS. Have a 32/32 GP 5000 TL on my gravel bike. I would say the sweet spot is 28/32 as the 32 front is a little "numb" and makes the turn in a touch vague.
Henry Wong old school BMX style bigger on the front, narrow at the back.
@@ride-media Not for me unfortunately. Briefly tried 28/25 and felt "wrong". I am going to try 28c front, 32c back.
@@Zillixdragon dont you want as much rubber on the front as on the back, for braking performance?
Yeah looks tight, I'd go 30 as well.
I Bought the Aeolus xxx4 wheel set to make cruising at 23-25mph easier. Would you say a 32mm tire is too un-aerodynamic for speeds like that?
No. I'd say you'll probably actually feel quite a lot faster with the fatter 32mm tyre. Seriously.
Rob
I run XXX4s with 32mm GP5000TL, love them
Would there be any chance you could try fitting an 11-32 cassette? Trek claim it will only take an 11-30 due to the short derailleur cage. Thanks!
That sounds odd: the bike came fitted with a 10-33 cassette. And it functioned perfectly well: crisp shifts throughout the test period...
Here is the build: th-cam.com/video/9O_O-a2XyWA/w-d-xo.html
And here's a slow-mo of the shifting: instagram.com/p/CB2X16fpCwO/?
The thumbs up go to the bike being hit by salty water! Calamity!
If this can run 32s on the normal RSL 37s which have a 21mm internal width, would the Aeolus RSL 37V TLRs (which have a 25mm internal and 32mm external width) fit this frameset?
Joseph, that's a great question. And, given that I didn't even know there was a 25mm rim option, I cannot answer you. But I'm interested enough to know more. Perhaps best to consider the pictures here and note now tight it already is. I'd say, if you're going to get the wider rim... well, it's probably best to start looking at a frame/fork combo that has been designed more for the kind of riding you're keen on doing than this lightweight beauty.
Should you (or I) find out more, let's be sure to leave another comment.
I'm due to speak with Trek again soon... but no one has yet spoken to me about this 32mm tyre experiment, so I'm not too sure that they liked me doing it on the review bike.
(Rob)
Would 32mm fit on my 2020 tarmac disk pro?? I have quite deep roval carbon rims. I’m currently riding 28mm GP5000s but hit a pot hole yesterday and pinched the tube. Snake bite
Aaron, sorry... but while I sit here at a desk (ie. not with a 2020 Tarmac to consider), I don't have an answer for you.
My guess is that, just as with the Trek, yes... it should work (even if Specialized doesn't recommend it). That being said, RIDE Media has been ignored by Specialized for years... so I'd rather not offer a comment on that brand other than what I've explained.
ridemedia I like to break rules so I’m going to try 32mm GPs....lol
I will let you know how I get on.
@@Aaron83W - you may have seen this already, but here Trek's designers explain the notion of tyre / tire clearance... and what they consider "acceptable" or not.
My guess is Specialized would have a similar approach.
th-cam.com/video/laZsFChDrYo/w-d-xo.html
Note: someone has written to say that he got a piece of gravel stuck in his tyre once and, without more clearance with the frame (or fork, I can't remember), the stone took a nasty chunk out of the paint. That's something to consider.
PS. He didn't crash, but he did get the bike repainted.
ridemedia ouch!! Out here in Las Vegas I seem to hit pot holes as I ride at 4:30am in the dark or I do night rides. In the last month I’ve had to replace one GP5000 tyre and a few tubes. Yesterday I did 85km and hit a pole hole which pinched the tyre in a couple places.
I’m really fed up with ending my rides after running out of patches.
I’ve considered putting Mr TUFFY ultra light tyre liners in which have great reviews.
However, I see a few guys have recommended using 32mm tyres which will have a bigger cushion.
@@Aaron83W - hmmm, interesting. Having just been out in the dark again this morning (fresh tyres... and another story due soon), I understand. What pressure are you putting in and what do you weigh?
There's a real trend towards lower pressures, certainly with tubeless. Have you tried?
I'm now using Pirelli P Zero 28mm (first ride today) and they're great but it's the first time that I've thought: too much pressure.
I'm old-school, so I'm still over-inflating... the packaging offers pressure suggestions depending on rim width and rider weight. At 64kg (not sure what that is in Imperial, but I'm not heavy), I'm supposed to run 75psi (according to Pirelli). Today I started with 85 (just because I fitted them yesterday and I wanted to hear the bead 'ping' into the rim and then I forgot to ease 10psi out...
They rode nicely, certainly rolled quickly and stuck in corners, but they did feel quite harsh. Tomorrow, I'll go with 75psi and see how it affects handling.
Is it tubeless or latex tubes? Jelly of those wheels I can never have bc rim brakes but it's ok I have Aeolus pro
This was the last time I rode with tubes... and they weren't even Latex, just bog-standard inner tubes.
Have a look through the videos on the RIDE Media channel from around November last year onwards and you'll see plenty of references to tubeless: Campagnolo Shamal, Zipp 303s, ENVE G23, Bontrager's new Aeolus RSL 62... etc.
And soon there'll be more wheel reviews too. Alas, currently in lockdown and not riding outside - for 76 days, so far... and counting.
- Rob
NICE‼️ I’m waiting for my 32mm Vittoria Corsa’s to come in. Super excited about it, 🙂
#RobbArmstrong
Throw a really supple carbon seat post and a comfy saddle and I would think this bike would put the Domane out of a job...
The way things are going we’re gonna have fat bikes with drop bars!
We already do, it's gravel bikes 😛
Do you think 33mm cross tires would fit
Can a 32c tire fits to my mtb 29er rims?
What tire pressure are you running?
This is the biggest benefit to disc brakes.
What size tire can we fit without the luxury of disc brakes on an emonda?
@@nobodyspecial9035 like 25c maybe
@@nobodyspecial9035 30mm (19C wheels) on the 2022 Emonda ALR (direct mount rim brakes)
I'm 5'5" which bike will fit me
Can we put 32mm gp5000 on Cervelo S5? Or 28 is max size?
HD HD - 32mm no. Officially 28mm. But will take a 30mm depending on rim and tyre brand...
Any thoughts on SlR 7 emonda v sl7 tarmac expert. I’m struggling with the varied reviews regarding ride quality and Tyre clearance. New to high end bikes. Cheers
Some of my old loops there. Cheers
what pressure you end up putting into 32mm tyres
Riding with 80psi... and, after another adventure this morning - 75km of up and down along the coast in Sydney - I'm liking the tyres more and more. (Maybe I'll experiment a little with pressure but 80 suits me, at 64kg, at the moment...)
@@ride-media and here I am using Continental GP5000 25c front tire at 68psi, 28c rear tire at 71psi. I'm 63kg so our weight are very similar. It seems like you overinflate 32c big time.
@@Hexsense - let me experiment... thanks for the feedback.
@@ride-media Way too high pressures.
@@Gianniz27 I think it's a bit high for 32mm and that weight - IMO defeats the point of wider, comfier tyres in the first place
Can you fit a 32mm tyre on the Trek Madone?
I'm guessing: yes...
the old gp4000 28's measured out at 31 usually, what i have on now on Paradigm elite rims.(a wider rim) What do these 5000's 32s measure out at actually? Interestingly the conti gran prix four season 28's measure 28 so I don't know why the 4000's were so bulgy. You could also comment on tire pressure- I find the 4000's I run 55/60 f/r
All good points... so, here are my answers: on the Bontrager RSL 37 rims, with 80psi, the GP5000s (32mm) measure 33mm wide.
As you say, this is going to vary depending on rim. And, when I switch back to the Bontrager tyres, I'll measure the height difference too, but it feels quite dramatic. Interesting how a few millimetres extra can make such a huge difference...
@@ride-media so I think this means that they are a bridge too far in a non disc frame. I can barely get the 4000s in to the emonda ALR, (single pivot 105) and no way on the emonda SLR 2016 because the front brake is too low on the fork. thanks for the followup
That's surprising to me. I have Conti GP 4 Seasons in 28 width, and mounted, it measures at 31.4 on a 19 internal, 25 external width rim. I run a 25 width on the front, given how much they balloon.
Some say that there has never been a day where the wind wasn't blowing at least 30 km/h from the SSW at Heffron Park. And that concrete surface! What were they thinking?
Yesterday morning, the wind was mild - essentially nil by Heffron standards... but the dog count was high, and the smashed-glass-dodge required more than once. But at least there wasn't traffic.
Crap concrete roads or cars on a Thursday morning in Sydney? I did both. And survived.
PS. Seen this: fulgaz.com/fulgaz-rides/?fg_ride=c86622d8b3984ae5a6459fb9
@@ride-media This must be very recently, I've never seen so few cars in the Des Renford carpark at any time of the day
What pressure were you running
See below...
does Conti do a 30 mm tyre ?
Good question. I thought that as I spoke it... still don’t know.
Odd, checked Continental website, and no they don't do a 30mm tire in the GP 5000's. They do 23mm, 25mm, 28mm, and 32mm.
Gp5000 28 is 29-30 mm wide, depending on rim inner width.
Schwalbe One Pro come in 30mm. I run them on my bike and very happy with them
What color scheme is that bike?
Stephen That is the Full Fade colour scheme available on Project One
I just went white on black for my project one. Thank you for getting back to me. Can’t wait to shred some miles on the new steed. 🙌🏻
Really interesting test. I'm tempted to put 32's on my S-works venge just to see how it feels...
Keep us in the loop; let me know how it goes.
I'm planning on doing the same on my Venge 2019 and my Vias, I recon they will fit on the Venge 2019-2020 but I guess they will also fit on the Vias. It should make the bike feel like a Tarmac, maybe!
i put 32 on the back and 28 in front for my venge vias 2017
Would 32s fit on my 2020 Tarmac disk pro? I’m riding 28 GP5000 at the moment and had a “snake bite” pitched flat yesterday.
Hit a pot hole.
@@Aaron83W I put 32mm GP5000 on both my Venge (Vias and Pro 2020). A Tarmac and a Venge are almost identical, so they will fit for sure.
How fast can you go with 32mm tires?
I’m riding a 2020 Domane SL5 with XXX4 wheels and 32mm GP 5000s and this summer I topped out at 72kph...
@Radek amazing! I’m not familiar with the wheels...
@@graydonbardwell4637 downhil or ?
Salt water😟 oil it immediately.
Roger that... sorted already. Don't panic, I've been around bikes a few years now...
Gates belts would be good for this situation
Will 32mm tires work with caliper brakes?
Nope. Maybe 30 if you're lucky, depending on the rim / wheel combo you use.
I have 28c on my Giant without doubt my favourite tyres
TCR?
Excellent
WOULD ANYONE KNOW IF YOU CAN PUT 32mm TYRES ON A 2016 EMONDA ALR5 ???
I've got that same frame and, looking at the current clearance running 25mm GP4000s, I would say 28mm tires might be too tight. Fitting 32mm tires would certainly be impossible.
@@jameslockard1544 thanks man
Heffron Park goat track :)
Salt water on electronic components! Ahhhhhh!
tingi, tang, twang (1:09)
This is the most popular tire size in European commuter bike (aka Dutch bikes), and 36mm too. This is my preferred size cause the bike glides more smoothly and you don't need to make as much efforts pedaling like a fatter tire like a MTB tire
Do you ride on any gravel roads there? I just moved to a place with very smooth hard packed dirt/gravel but also paved bike paths everywhere and would like to try a 32.
@@garrettsmith8286 even 28s feel fine on hard packed/smooth gravel. If it gets rocky or loose 1 inch size gravel then 35mm is about as skinny as I'd feel comfortable. My insights from bikepacking in and around the Netherlands.
is there any rubbing on the rears with dirty/muddy tires and standing up & pedalling?