I sold this game a year ago (after two plays) and felt that in the multiplayer game everyone struggled very hard with the tactical nature of the game. The second game was a solo attempt but Wakhan was just a pain in the butt really to manage the rulebook simply didn't answer very basic questions. If you check out BGG the number of people confused with rules is staggering. HOWEVER, after selling it I kept thinking about it. Long story short...I bought it again this month and even added coins. Wakhan...I'm coming. I feel I understood what I got hung up with and although I'm still not sure if I will ever love it (I prefer strategy over tactical play ) but the production is nothing short of amazing and sometimes you just want a sophisticated skirmish game!
Haha! I love that you went full circle on it. I agree completely regarding the rulebook, it is oversimplified a little too much... we landed on forums more than a few times for clarification. It's great as a two player if you haven't tried already but it did take quite a few games to shift into a tactical, flexible mindset. I (Amy) didn't like it to begin with and then like you I just couldn't stop thinking about it and now I feel addicted.... 😅 we are yet to try Wakhan...let us know how you go with attempt 2...
Pax Pamir 2 is one of my very favourite games. Once I learned how this game & hence Pax games work (changing winning conditions & the card market mechanism) along with the tie-in to a well researched history (or future paradigm in the case of Transhumanity), it is a series of games that add an extra dimension over most other games. Definitely not a gateway game, and whilst they range from relatively accessible mechanics to quite complicated, they provide a real challenge whilst immersing you in the theme. These are great games for 'Thinkers & Themers'.
Yesss thank you Steve! We are so happy to have discovered Pax Pamir 2 and look forward to trying more in the series. We're not really history buffs either yet you can't help but learn along the way. Very clever games. Thank you for commenting! ☺
Very much enjoyed hearing your thoughts--cheers! My favorite of 2019! So rich, approachable, and I marveled at Cole's mindfulness of the history behind it.
How is it possible I havent heard of your channel?! This was a fantastic review. I love how you presented your thoughts on the game so clearly! I liked that you discussed pax pamir in perspective to your "normal" taste in games. Keep up your work! Edit: ok I see now that this series is called Why Own it. Great choice on highlighting this aspect! 👍
Thank you so much for the lovely feedback Jonas! So great to have you along for our journey - we are fairly new to this but relaxing more into our style with every video. 😊
Wow! I have 1st ed Pax Pamir, and I just backed John Company 2nd ed - and now I am considering adding a copy of Pax Pamir 2nd ed onto that. (-$$$$) But I do enjoy several of the Pax series games (and I am still getting the flavour of some as well): Pax Porfiriana, Pax Transhumanity, Pax Emancipation and especially Pax Renaissance. Sierra Madre games are another animal, in terms of thoughtful design, in terms of careful implementation, in terms of DEPTH, and Cole Wehrle has done a wonderful job, both in implementing a non-Eklund Pax game with Pax Pamir, and in his wonderful designs since then. I am definitely tempted now.
dope! I love the mechanics/theme dichotomy split between the two of you. totes reminds me of how my wife and I debate games. I was on the fence with this game, but this vid pushed me to get the latest shipment! y'all earned yourself a hearty sub!
I haven’t yet but Pax Transhumanity is next on my list after watching some folks gush about it on a stream. Pamir is my only Pax experience so far. I’ll have to look up Vikings next!
If you like this can I highly recommend “The King is Dead” it has a very similar vibe to Pax albeit with very different mechanisms and in a much more streamlined (but no less deep) package
Fantastic video for a sensational game. I hope you get those coins soon, it's almost embarrassing how satisfying they are to play with. Nothing quite like *clink*, *clink*, *clink*, aaaand now you've spun the whole game on it's head, betrayed an entire nation, and clinched the win. Hey algorithm - send more people this way!
Glad you enjoyed this review!! We do have the coins now 😁 and I've been buying more coins in general lately. They really do make a big difference with the clinking and sheer satisfaction of stacking. Mmmm. Your comment here has made me want to play Pax Pamir! Maybe today... 😎 Thanks for watching!
Pax Pamir is a wonderfully brutal design. It is probably my favourite Pax, partly because I like what Cole Wehrle’s games are trying to convey more so than the Eklund’s, although Pax Ren is also an amazing design. Really interested to see what Cole and Drew have in store for the second edition of John Company.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts DeLowpez! We're also keen to see what they have in store for JC (and really we will be watching everything they do closely!!) Also very excited for Oath!
Another great review. I love your passion about boardgames from both point of view. Two sides of the same coin..... Like you, I was not attracted to this game at all but after seeing your review (you are very convincing) it is now definitely on my list to get. Can't wait to play it.
This one was such a surprise for us... and it even took a few plays and then it was like switching on a light bulb! So clever. Thank you for the lovely feedback about our reviews Pierre ☺
Really like your approach to these reviews, very different from many other channels. Hopefully Maggie will help persuade my partner to let me buy more games!
Stumbled across your channel and subscribed - You make great videos and your Aussie's too. I've been binging your back catalog of videos. Great stuff. The metal coins for Pax are a must as well. They feel really good.
We are so happy to have you here Andrew and thanks for taking the time to comment with that lovely feedback. ☺ We have the coins for Pax now and they are soooooo good!! Are you from Oz? 🦘🇦🇺🦘
After struggling to learn Oath I got out Pax Pamir again yesterday and quickly got back into this playing 3 solo games in succession. It's such a great game! I thought I'd watch your review again during a quiet period at work. Probably will get in a few more solo games this evening.
What a great tribute to your style of reviews and your ability to communicate that I learn so much about complicated games even when (especially when?) they aren't something you'd normally be interested in playing. Pax Pamir always seemed like something I'd be interested in, but I wasn't completely on board until seeing this video.
Great review! I'm definitely going to play this first if it's the one to learn other Pax games, because Pax Porfiriana is on my "dying to play list". Thanks
Thanks Timm! Apparently the upcoming Pax Vikings is a great gateway too... but I think you could definitely handle Pax Pamir :D wish we were there to play!
Nice review :-) ... but ... "I don't like conflict" - praise for Root, waxes poetic about how great Pax Pamir is, has Rising Sun standing right behind Pax Pamir. ;-) IMHO conflict is crucial for good games. Conflict means player interaction. Games without conflict are just multi-player solitaire.
Hahahah well I (Amy) do like conflict... Maggie on the other hand would much prefer her multiplayer solitaire. Poor Maggie because I buy most of our games *hehe* ☺
@@ThinkerThemer I got that and might have overstated the case for comedic effect. But the broth metaphor also makes clear that she's conflicted about conflict. So, she doesn't like conflict - unless it's really well done ;-) - well that's just another way of saying she likes really good games. If you'd like to torture/tempt her a bit more with beautiful quality conflict, get "Inis" (by Matagot). Brilliant game, nice theme and looks great.
@@oerthling hahahah yes she does appreciate a good theme and design so I will keep buying them! Inis is another one on our long list of games to check out. Is it your favourite of that genre?
@@ThinkerThemer I find it difficult to rank my top games. They have different strengths for different moods and variety is nice to have. It's up there with Dune and Rising Sun. Have a look at what "Shut Up and Sit Down" said about it. Those noobs ;) share some of my feelings about Inis. th-cam.com/video/ElcG-_-gfxo/w-d-xo.html
@@oerthling fair enough! We agree that it is more about matching the right game with the right group and vibe 👌 Inis has had our attention for a while but we always end up purchasing something else instead... maybe we will borrow a copy from someone to check it out! 🤔
Amazing review yet again. The fame sounds amazing. I cannot wait to receive my copy...yup I got my hands down n a copy, WITH metal coins too for an amazing price! Looks like we will both have the blinged our copies. ~Jazz
Great review! This game has been sitting on my "Shelf of Opportunity" for months now. I purchased it based on the looks of the components and interesting gameplay for solo mode. I really should get it to the table soon. I enjoy and appreciate your content so keep it coming. :-) BTW-- I'm with Sarah on seeing the two of you doing a playthrough of a game.
Shelf of Opportunity 😂👌 It's one of those great gaming experiences where you realise how things connect and how to leverage your timing the more you play it. Thanks so much for your continued comments and support... and for the +1 on playthroughs - eeee 🙃🙃. We've been talking about recorded versus live, and which types of games to do... perhaps those we love most? Do you like gameplay only or a teach built in to the playthrough? 🤔
@@ThinkerThemer I like both. Recorded would be less stressful (maybe) but live would be less editing. Either way, I'll be watching:) If you don't see a comment from me just know that I always give a thumbs up.
@@missraindrop77 recorded has the benefit of being able to edit out any taunting or tantrums too ;) hehe. Actually we have a very quick-playing game review coming up so that might be an opportunity to include a playthrough as a test run! Thanks again for your support and always value any constructive feedback you have too.
Fantastic review. I've sub'd. I have come to really like COIN games, and Pax Pamir reminds me in some ways of COIN games. For me, both COIN and pax unite very interesting systems and mechanics with heavy theme that feel intrinsic rather than tacked on. They also teach about history. The components and art in this game are just top notch, and the game is so interesting. I'm just starting but hope to delve more deeply into it and start to "figure it out" if that is possible!
Such a great video. I've only played once but enjoyed it. Reminded me a bit of Glory to Rome with more direct conflict. Look into Pax Viking for your next Pax. I play tested it and really liked it.
Yes so keen to try Pax Viking thank you Lawrence! We have also picked up a copy of Pax Porfiriana so looking forward to getting that to the table. Thanks for the lovely feedback on the video ☺
Fantastic review! Great format too!subscribed. Out of interest, have you continued to play Pax Pamir 2E? If so have you also played multiplayer or added the Wakhan player to your games? I'm curious as to how the pure 2 player experience differs to to the other modes of play. I finally have this arriving tomorrow (😀) after years of faffing around and not buying it! I'll probably just set it up and look at it for a bit....😍
Great review! I have had this game on my wishlist since the first edition but I was not sure if I would enjoy it. It seemed too complicated and I wasn’t sure if anyone would want to play it with me. But the way both of you describe this game makes me want to bump it up to the top of my wishlist. Bone broth soup and an onion...love it (chef’s kiss) LOL!! I love strategy and theme so this game should be up my ally. I’m an omnigamer so I like and can appreciate a lot of different style of games. I guess I play games based on my mood. But my SO only likes certain types of games must be competitive and must play less than an hour. I’m hoping PAX Pamir will hit that sweet spot. But I’m a little worried about the teach. BTW...great review on Obsession I just purchased everything because of your review. I hope you two do a play through of the Obsession soon! Keep up the good work. Enjoying all your content. Super excited for women to be representing my favorite hobby!!
Thanks Sarah!! The rules overhead on this one is surprisingly not as complex as it looks. The rulebook is a bit oversimplified - some of the nuance we had to find on forums BUT I would say that once you know it it would be a fairly easy teach. It's mostly just play or activate a card, take that action. If your SO likes direct competition this is a really great option. I cant wait to play it at a higher player count as I imagine how chaotic that would be with the changing alliances.... We have always thought we wouldn't do playthroughs but you do keep putting it back on our radar 🤔 Appreciate your feedback, it was a great way to start our Sunday 🇦🇺🦘
@@ThinkerThemer Hoping to convince my wife to give it a go eventually so will probably be starting solo until I know it inside out to make that first play as smooth as possible. As you also mentioned, not a theme she'd usually go for :)
Amazing commentary. Just subscribed! As a person who fell into the rabbit hole of Pax games with my boyfriend, you should definitely check Transhumanity and Renaissance, for us the best that work at 2 players. Renaissance is maybe the most complex of all of them so be warned and for transhumanity there is a short variant in bgg that makes the game an absolute pleasure to play. Also, small boxes are great haha.
Thanks so much for the sub Sergio and very much appreciate you taking the time to comment. It's very helpful to know that these two works well with only two players!! I have to say the theme of Transhumanity is super appealing.. that might be next... Thanks again glad to have you here! ☺
Great review as always team! Live the bone broth analogy haha! Ps. Just read about Phil Eklund’s troubling views on colonialism and climate change and thought I’d mention it to you as a heads up before you buy any of his previous games. Phil designed the original Pax Pamir.
Hi, this was a surprise hit for you two then. I have Pax Transhumanity and that is a good, clever game, very different to this one though. I think i will like it its going on my wishlist.
I just found your channel and all I’m going to say is: the algorithm works! My main playing partner is my wife and, lately, I have been gravitating towards channels hosted by couples (Ant Labs, Before You Play). Anyways, awesome review and I’m off to watch all your videos :)
Aw thank you so much and we are so happy to have you here! It's so nice that you and your wife enjoy gaming together... do you like similar types of games? Is there a thinker and a themer? 😀
@@ThinkerThemer Uhm, we both enjoy both aspects, but I would have to say I’m the themer and she is the thinker. Out of the games you have reviewed, we have played only a couple, but we are definitely interested in a lot more, PaxPamir, for example. I’m a big fan of Wehrle design. I can’t wait to bring Oath to the table! Sorry for such a long comment, but since we are here, could you recommend us a good euro that plays well at 2 and it’s beautiful to look at? That I can definitely say, we both love beautiful art and nice components. I’ll watch the related video, maybe Ill find the answer there ;) Again, thank you for the video!
It sounds like you might have heavy taste? The nicest components we came across last year was for Honey Buzz but it is more midweight and at two the worker placement is not as tight but if you care more about the puzzle that is less important. Maggie very much enjoys scythe which has deluxe components that you can add and minis is the base game to paint (low player interaction game). Sorry this is difficult because some of our favourite 2 player games don't have the BEST components. Snowdonia deluxe box plays well at all counts and I would say midweight but very tightly competitive. Nusfjord is one of our favourite easier to set up euros for 2 players that is very satisfying when you win. I'd immediately get either one of the expansions which give you the gold metal coins. Hope that helps!! 😊
Thinking of backing the new John Company and I think a new print run of this game will be available with that pledge as well, so looked it up and here you guys were! Thanks for this great review. These games intrigue me but the heavy themes make me a bit wary... curious to see how they play!
So I finally got to play this for my birthday last weekend. I had high hopes and I can't really find blame with the game but I have to admit I wasn't blown away with the first experience. Maybe we were all too tired already. One thing I'm afraid of is that I might just not like the design-choices where it's impossible to build anything that's going to last in this game. Anything you do and own can be taken away in the blink of an eye. I'm sure it's intentional to reflect the spirit of the times and make the experience more immersive but it made me realise I do love ramping up in powerlevel along with the other players over the course of the game and Pax Pamir doesn't seem to have that element - or did we play it wrong? Hopefully we'll get it to the table again in a more well-rested state to confirm or debunk these first impressions.
No it definitely sounds like you are playing it correctly. That was what was so new and intriguing to us, that it is so highly tactical rather than strategic in the sense of what we are used to (longer term planning). Of course it will not be for everyone, but if it helps neither of us really liked it for our first couple of plays until we realised how to leverage timing in the game and manipulate the end game scoring. If you're on the same alliance but someone is beating you with influence, swap colours and ensure they don't win the majority condition. Or if your alliance is suffering swap to theirs and win with influence. Once we both realised how to do that it became deeply strategic and difficult. How many did you play with? And by the way, wishing you a very happy belated birthday. 💕
Such an intricate and strategic game, done well with gorgeous components (resin blocks), feel for historic events, 'original' art from that period. The whole 'pax' thinking and playing was a big step for me. But man, do I love this game. An outstanding board game that stands out with it's design and components. Switching allegiances is great, but can come at a great cost (if your court has been been build to such an extent with the right suits). Economic wise, the market is pretty tight, which makes it not easy to always acquire the wished cards. Theme wise from Maggie's point of view, bone broth is nice, but I see it as an ossobuco (by the lack of an Afghan dish). And on an end note, having those metal afghan coins with your game, will make it a whole point better ;-)
It is truly an amazing game for all of the reasons you mention. You make me want to get it out and play again - especially now that we have the metal coins!!! Looking forward to Oath this year... 😊
@@ThinkerThemer Oh Yasssss... that game just for the looks of it is going in my collection, but knowing Cole has designed it, it maybe will be a next gem in my top 10.
@@ThinkerThemer I like complex strategy games. From Stonemaier games I have only got my hands on Scythe, Charterstone and Wingspan but I'm inclined towards Viticulture too. I would love to see you guys talk about it. Love your perspectives. Brass Birmingham so far is the heaviest strategy games I have played so far so I'm not sure if I want to go even heavier with "Endless Winter" so I'm still thinking if I should back that or not.
Sounds like your taste is very in line with ours! We should definitely review Viticulture, although I think many people already know how we feel about it... 🥰 Brass is quite heavy! I'm not sure if Endless Winter would be heavier. Perhaps more options to think about....? This one (Pax Pamir) is actually fairly simple in its mechanics, it is just a bit challenging to initially work out / see the strategy until you play it more and more...
@@ThinkerThemer yeah, our tastes align. Have you played Brass Birmingham? I think Endless winter is less heavier than Brass but more than other Stonemaier games. If you get endless winter prior and decide to do a review I might back it based on your review. Will try Pax too. Great review. Keep posting. Love your content.
Picked this up yesterday on an impulse. The FLGS I was walking by had a copy with the metal coins. I just cannot wait to get it to the table and am stoked to hear you two review it with such appreciation. Curious if a year+ later it's still even something you think about with the amount of games you go through.
I really like stonemaier games, I think you should once do a review on stonemair games. Ranking the games as per theme and mechanics. That would definitely be a fun watch or an Instagram live thingy.
Just watched video. Loved the video. Great to see both your enthusiasm. I'm just about ready to pull it off the shelf, and as I'm more likely to play this at the 2 player count am wondering if you guys have ever gotten around to playing with the Wakan? If so, how did you like it and which 2 player version do you ultimately prefer? Still getting some plays in?
Hey guys, I watched this based off someone's recommendation of the game, looks great! And reminded me of Root in some ways, on closer inspection I realised it was developed by the Root guys which I didn't know - I just wondered if you love this game so much, is there a reason you haven't explored Root, as it was pretty much 2018 game of the year for many. Cheers!! :)
Hi Migs!!! Originally we had not played Root because we were not huge fans of assymetric abilities/ objectives... but we rectified that after playing Pax Pamir.. we have a copy, just waiting to be able to get a bigger group together to experience it in all its glory! Thank you for watching... I'm glad you're a fan of Root too!
If you can't get the coins (although there was a recent re-issue) I bought real Afgan Rupees for not a lot of money. P.S. the currency is now Afgan Afganis.
Wow real Afgan Rupees! Amazing. Another content creator (Jazz @ Lobby of Hobbies) heard we loved the game so much but didn't have the coins so he sent us his all the way from the US to Australia. We love them, and this community 💕
Great review! Have you tried to solo mode? I probably won’t be able to play the game with friends and I was wondering if it is worth getting it just for the solo mode.
played the game for a long time in a fixed group of 4. it was really a very nice experience. Now after about 20 games we have started with root. do you know that too? have you played it only in pairs until now?
Thanks Amy & Maggie, great video! A friend of mine just put me on to your channel; it’s great to hear more women’s voices (and Aussie LGBITIQ ones to boot 🌈)
I received this email 2 days ago from the Kickstarter, so you can still get a copy in the US or Canada owningall: "Webstore Update Wished you would have gotten the metal coins or picked up another copy for a friend? Worry not, because we are going to be rolling out our wehrlegig.com US/CA stock update next week. On Nov 5th at 11AM CST, our webstore will be open for new US and Canada orders. Since we have finished fulfillment in these regions, we will start accepting new sales for the limited stock from this campaign."
Watching this a second time because it's back on ks and I'm yet again considering it. I'm sad I missed it last year but at the same time I'm still not sure it will see play gah choices choices. is it still hitting your table?
Hey Aaron! Well... to be honest it hasn't recently but that's mostly because we are always playing things to review. It is a beautiful and clever game and despite the theme not being "usual" for us we love it and will keep it in our collection . It is not like anything else we own (maybe closest to Oath but the learning curve for Oath is much greater!) It is very tactical instead of strategic, maybe like a game of chess if you have no opening moves etc planned (I don't lol). The theme means we are selective with who we play it with as we have a lot of casual gamers in our life who really look to theme first to draw them in. Sorry, I feel that was not that helpful 🙃
@@ThinkerThemer haha well I appreciate it either way. I saw on the ks there was a print and play so I was able to read the rules and tried it on tts against the automa. It's totally up my alley but I don't see anyone who would play it with me so after about 3 hours between the learn and game I ultimately passed on the KS. If I see it on a convention schedule I'll definitely play it. Johns Company looks interesting too but again, I wouldn't have anyone to play it with!
@@ThinkerThemer yep I see it on the shelf which is why I made the request. Hope you got your metal coins. Keep an eye out for the John Company KS later this year
Yes looking forward to that one. I very rarely get the metal coins... sooo expensive with the extra shipping to Australia. Maggie loves coins and gets annoyed at me every time 🙃🙃🙃
@@ThinkerThemer me too. I usually use the Scythe coins or Brass Iron Clays for everything. But, for a special game like Pax 2 I opted to get the metal coins.
Oh sorry I thought you meant the other games! We do have the pax pamir coins ... another content creator sent theirs to us after seeing how much we loved the game 💕
Lol!!! No exciting story actually.. !! But now he has gone from frame because of the increasing number of games on display. This is the first time anyone has asked about the rhino! Thanks for watching Quinn ☺
Ah sorry to hear that! That's the beauty of boardgaming.. there's something for everyone.. we love the perpetual quest of finding games that work exactly for us and what we enjoy. ☺
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I sold this game a year ago (after two plays) and felt that in the multiplayer game everyone struggled very hard with the tactical nature of the game. The second game was a solo attempt but Wakhan was just a pain in the butt really to manage the rulebook simply didn't answer very basic questions. If you check out BGG the number of people confused with rules is staggering. HOWEVER, after selling it I kept thinking about it. Long story short...I bought it again this month and even added coins. Wakhan...I'm coming. I feel I understood what I got hung up with and although I'm still not sure if I will ever love it (I prefer strategy over tactical play ) but the production is nothing short of amazing and sometimes you just want a sophisticated skirmish game!
Haha! I love that you went full circle on it. I agree completely regarding the rulebook, it is oversimplified a little too much... we landed on forums more than a few times for clarification. It's great as a two player if you haven't tried already but it did take quite a few games to shift into a tactical, flexible mindset. I (Amy) didn't like it to begin with and then like you I just couldn't stop thinking about it and now I feel addicted.... 😅 we are yet to try Wakhan...let us know how you go with attempt 2...
Have you checked RickyRoyals solo playthrough on youtube? He's the designer of Wakhan. After the playthrough you should be ready! Enjoy!
Pax Pamir and Obsession are both amazing games. Just amazing.
Could not agree more - 2 of our favourite discoveries of 2020 🥰
Pax Pamir 2 is one of my very favourite games. Once I learned how this game & hence Pax games work (changing winning conditions & the card market mechanism) along with the tie-in to a well researched history (or future paradigm in the case of Transhumanity), it is a series of games that add an extra dimension over most other games. Definitely not a gateway game, and whilst they range from relatively accessible mechanics to quite complicated, they provide a real challenge whilst immersing you in the theme. These are great games for 'Thinkers & Themers'.
Yesss thank you Steve! We are so happy to have discovered Pax Pamir 2 and look forward to trying more in the series. We're not really history buffs either yet you can't help but learn along the way. Very clever games. Thank you for commenting! ☺
Very much enjoyed hearing your thoughts--cheers! My favorite of 2019! So rich, approachable, and I marveled at Cole's mindfulness of the history behind it.
I just found out about your channel and I AM IMPRESSED. You girls are great reviewers and fun to watch. I love the thinker-themer binomial.
Thank you so much Mario that is such lovely feedback. We are still quite new at this and very much appreciate the support. Great to have you here! ☺
How is it possible I havent heard of your channel?! This was a fantastic review. I love how you presented your thoughts on the game so clearly! I liked that you discussed pax pamir in perspective to your "normal" taste in games. Keep up your work!
Edit: ok I see now that this series is called Why Own it. Great choice on highlighting this aspect! 👍
Thank you so much for the lovely feedback Jonas! So great to have you along for our journey - we are fairly new to this but relaxing more into our style with every video. 😊
@@ThinkerThemer it seems as if you are doing this for ages 😁 👍
Wow! I have 1st ed Pax Pamir, and I just backed John Company 2nd ed - and now I am considering adding a copy of Pax Pamir 2nd ed onto that. (-$$$$) But I do enjoy several of the Pax series games (and I am still getting the flavour of some as well): Pax Porfiriana, Pax Transhumanity, Pax Emancipation and especially Pax Renaissance. Sierra Madre games are another animal, in terms of thoughtful design, in terms of careful implementation, in terms of DEPTH, and Cole Wehrle has done a wonderful job, both in implementing a non-Eklund Pax game with Pax Pamir, and in his wonderful designs since then. I am definitely tempted now.
dope! I love the mechanics/theme dichotomy split between the two of you. totes reminds me of how my wife and I debate games. I was on the fence with this game, but this vid pushed me to get the latest shipment! y'all earned yourself a hearty sub!
Thanks Jack we are so glad to have you here! So you purchased Pax Pamir.... are you the thinker or the themer in the relationship??
When you said “infamous designer” I thought for sure an An Infamous Traffic joke was coming.
Hahaha right? I totally missed my cue... the word must've been front of mind....
@@ThinkerThemer: Great review, btw! You’ve got a new subscriber in me!
Would love to know what y’all think of Pax Transhumanity.
Thanks for the sub and the feedback!! I'm torn on Pax Vikings or Pax Transhumanity next... have you played either?
I haven’t yet but Pax Transhumanity is next on my list after watching some folks gush about it on a stream. Pamir is my only Pax experience so far. I’ll have to look up Vikings next!
I totally agree - this is a great game. My first 10/10 - and I got the metal coins..
We have them now too... they are gorgeous!!! 😍 great that you love the game too...! First 10/10 is huge... favourite game ever?! 😁
If you like this can I highly recommend “The King is Dead” it has a very similar vibe to Pax albeit with very different mechanisms and in a much more streamlined (but no less deep) package
Fantastic video for a sensational game. I hope you get those coins soon, it's almost embarrassing how satisfying they are to play with. Nothing quite like *clink*, *clink*, *clink*, aaaand now you've spun the whole game on it's head, betrayed an entire nation, and clinched the win.
Hey algorithm - send more people this way!
Glad you enjoyed this review!! We do have the coins now 😁 and I've been buying more coins in general lately. They really do make a big difference with the clinking and sheer satisfaction of stacking. Mmmm.
Your comment here has made me want to play Pax Pamir! Maybe today... 😎
Thanks for watching!
Pax Pamir is a wonderfully brutal design. It is probably my favourite Pax, partly because I like what Cole Wehrle’s games are trying to convey more so than the Eklund’s, although Pax Ren is also an amazing design. Really interested to see what Cole and Drew have in store for the second edition of John Company.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts DeLowpez! We're also keen to see what they have in store for JC (and really we will be watching everything they do closely!!) Also very excited for Oath!
Another great review. I love your passion about boardgames from both point of view. Two sides of the same coin.....
Like you, I was not attracted to this game at all but after seeing your review (you are very convincing) it is now definitely on my list to get. Can't wait to play it.
This one was such a surprise for us... and it even took a few plays and then it was like switching on a light bulb! So clever. Thank you for the lovely feedback about our reviews Pierre ☺
Really like your approach to these reviews, very different from many other channels. Hopefully Maggie will help persuade my partner to let me buy more games!
Thank you so much! Does that make you a *thinker* ? Lol Glad to have you here ☺
Stumbled across your channel and subscribed - You make great videos and your Aussie's too. I've been binging your back catalog of videos. Great stuff.
The metal coins for Pax are a must as well. They feel really good.
We are so happy to have you here Andrew and thanks for taking the time to comment with that lovely feedback. ☺ We have the coins for Pax now and they are soooooo good!! Are you from Oz? 🦘🇦🇺🦘
@@ThinkerThemer Yep - Sydney based. It's great to see local content producers.
And local subscribers! Thank you so much. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on different games...!
After struggling to learn Oath I got out Pax Pamir again yesterday and quickly got back into this playing 3 solo games in succession. It's such a great game! I thought I'd watch your review again during a quiet period at work.
Probably will get in a few more solo games this evening.
What a great tribute to your style of reviews and your ability to communicate that I learn so much about complicated games even when (especially when?) they aren't something you'd normally be interested in playing. Pax Pamir always seemed like something I'd be interested in, but I wasn't completely on board until seeing this video.
Great review! I'm definitely going to play this first if it's the one to learn other Pax games, because Pax Porfiriana is on my "dying to play list". Thanks
Thanks Timm! Apparently the upcoming Pax Vikings is a great gateway too... but I think you could definitely handle Pax Pamir :D wish we were there to play!
Nice review :-) ... but ...
"I don't like conflict" - praise for Root, waxes poetic about how great Pax Pamir is, has Rising Sun standing right behind Pax Pamir. ;-)
IMHO conflict is crucial for good games. Conflict means player interaction. Games without conflict are just multi-player solitaire.
Hahahah well I (Amy) do like conflict... Maggie on the other hand would much prefer her multiplayer solitaire. Poor Maggie because I buy most of our games *hehe* ☺
@@ThinkerThemer I got that and might have overstated the case for comedic effect. But the broth metaphor also makes clear that she's conflicted about conflict. So, she doesn't like conflict - unless it's really well done ;-) - well that's just another way of saying she likes really good games.
If you'd like to torture/tempt her a bit more with beautiful quality conflict, get "Inis" (by Matagot). Brilliant game, nice theme and looks great.
@@oerthling hahahah yes she does appreciate a good theme and design so I will keep buying them! Inis is another one on our long list of games to check out. Is it your favourite of that genre?
@@ThinkerThemer I find it difficult to rank my top games. They have different strengths for different moods and variety is nice to have. It's up there with Dune and Rising Sun.
Have a look at what "Shut Up and Sit Down" said about it. Those noobs ;) share some of my feelings about Inis.
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@@oerthling fair enough! We agree that it is more about matching the right game with the right group and vibe 👌 Inis has had our attention for a while but we always end up purchasing something else instead... maybe we will borrow a copy from someone to check it out! 🤔
Amazing review yet again. The fame sounds amazing. I cannot wait to receive my copy...yup I got my hands down n a copy, WITH metal coins too for an amazing price! Looks like we will both have the blinged our copies. ~Jazz
Ahaha you bought it!! Thank you thank you thank you for the coins we are so excited. Appreciate your continued support of our vids too 🥰🥰🥰
Great review! This game has been sitting on my "Shelf of Opportunity" for months now. I purchased it based on the looks of the components and interesting gameplay for solo mode. I really should get it to the table soon. I enjoy and appreciate your content so keep it coming. :-) BTW-- I'm with Sarah on seeing the two of you doing a playthrough of a game.
Shelf of Opportunity 😂👌 It's one of those great gaming experiences where you realise how things connect and how to leverage your timing the more you play it. Thanks so much for your continued comments and support... and for the +1 on playthroughs - eeee 🙃🙃. We've been talking about recorded versus live, and which types of games to do... perhaps those we love most? Do you like gameplay only or a teach built in to the playthrough? 🤔
@@ThinkerThemer I like both. Recorded would be less stressful (maybe) but live would be less editing. Either way, I'll be watching:) If you don't see a comment from me just know that I always give a thumbs up.
@@missraindrop77 recorded has the benefit of being able to edit out any taunting or tantrums too ;) hehe. Actually we have a very quick-playing game review coming up so that might be an opportunity to include a playthrough as a test run! Thanks again for your support and always value any constructive feedback you have too.
Fantastic review. I've sub'd. I have come to really like COIN games, and Pax Pamir reminds me in some ways of COIN games. For me, both COIN and pax unite very interesting systems and mechanics with heavy theme that feel intrinsic rather than tacked on. They also teach about history. The components and art in this game are just top notch, and the game is so interesting. I'm just starting but hope to delve more deeply into it and start to "figure it out" if that is possible!
Such a great video. I've only played once but enjoyed it. Reminded me a bit of Glory to Rome with more direct conflict.
Look into Pax Viking for your next Pax. I play tested it and really liked it.
Yes so keen to try Pax Viking thank you Lawrence! We have also picked up a copy of Pax Porfiriana so looking forward to getting that to the table. Thanks for the lovely feedback on the video ☺
Pax Pamir yay!!! Good video folks, hope we can play this game.one day hehe
Yes please!!! As soon as this border restriction is done let's do it!!!! ☺
@@ThinkerThemer Sounds like a double date hahhaa
Post November 8th this is ON!!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰🎉🎉
This is my 2nd watch! I am sold but Amazon only has a french copy at the moment so will buy it when its available.
Fantastic review! Great format too!subscribed.
Out of interest, have you continued to play Pax Pamir 2E? If so have you also played multiplayer or added the Wakhan player to your games? I'm curious as to how the pure 2 player experience differs to to the other modes of play.
I finally have this arriving tomorrow (😀) after years of faffing around and not buying it! I'll probably just set it up and look at it for a bit....😍
Great review! I have had this game on my wishlist since the first edition but I was not sure if I would enjoy it. It seemed too complicated and I wasn’t sure if anyone would want to play it with me. But the way both of you describe this game makes me want to bump it up to the top of my wishlist. Bone broth soup and an onion...love it (chef’s kiss) LOL!!
I love strategy and theme so this game should be up my ally. I’m an omnigamer so I like and can appreciate a lot of different style of games. I guess I play games based on my mood. But my SO only likes certain types of games must be competitive and must play less than an hour. I’m hoping PAX Pamir will hit that sweet spot. But I’m a little worried about the teach.
BTW...great review on Obsession I just purchased everything because of your review. I hope you two do a play through of the Obsession soon! Keep up the good work. Enjoying all your content. Super excited for women to be representing my favorite hobby!!
Thanks Sarah!! The rules overhead on this one is surprisingly not as complex as it looks. The rulebook is a bit oversimplified - some of the nuance we had to find on forums BUT I would say that once you know it it would be a fairly easy teach. It's mostly just play or activate a card, take that action. If your SO likes direct competition this is a really great option. I cant wait to play it at a higher player count as I imagine how chaotic that would be with the changing alliances....
We have always thought we wouldn't do playthroughs but you do keep putting it back on our radar 🤔
Appreciate your feedback, it was a great way to start our Sunday 🇦🇺🦘
Such a great conversation about a great game I'm currently trying to teach myself. Instant sub, now to check your other videos!
Aww thank you Daniel for such a lovely comment. Worth the hurdle of learning this one! Are you learning to play solo?
@@ThinkerThemer Hoping to convince my wife to give it a go eventually so will probably be starting solo until I know it inside out to make that first play as smooth as possible. As you also mentioned, not a theme she'd usually go for :)
Amazing commentary. Just subscribed! As a person who fell into the rabbit hole of Pax games with my boyfriend, you should definitely check Transhumanity and Renaissance, for us the best that work at 2 players. Renaissance is maybe the most complex of all of them so be warned and for transhumanity there is a short variant in bgg that makes the game an absolute pleasure to play. Also, small boxes are great haha.
Thanks so much for the sub Sergio and very much appreciate you taking the time to comment. It's very helpful to know that these two works well with only two players!! I have to say the theme of Transhumanity is super appealing.. that might be next... Thanks again glad to have you here! ☺
Great review as always team! Live the bone broth analogy haha!
Ps. Just read about Phil Eklund’s troubling views on colonialism and climate change and thought I’d mention it to you as a heads up before you buy any of his previous games. Phil designed the original Pax Pamir.
Hi, this was a surprise hit for you two then. I have Pax Transhumanity and that is a good, clever game, very different to this one though. I think i will like it its going on my wishlist.
I just found your channel and all I’m going to say is: the algorithm works! My main playing partner is my wife and, lately, I have been gravitating towards channels hosted by couples (Ant Labs, Before You Play). Anyways, awesome review and I’m off to watch all your videos :)
Aw thank you so much and we are so happy to have you here! It's so nice that you and your wife enjoy gaming together... do you like similar types of games? Is there a thinker and a themer? 😀
@@ThinkerThemer Uhm, we both enjoy both aspects, but I would have to say I’m the themer and she is the thinker. Out of the games you have reviewed, we have played only a couple, but we are definitely interested in a lot more, PaxPamir, for example. I’m a big fan of Wehrle design. I can’t wait to bring Oath to the table!
Sorry for such a long comment, but since we are here, could you recommend us a good euro that plays well at 2 and it’s beautiful to look at? That I can definitely say, we both love beautiful art and nice components. I’ll watch the related video, maybe Ill find the answer there ;)
Again, thank you for the video!
It sounds like you might have heavy taste? The nicest components we came across last year was for Honey Buzz but it is more midweight and at two the worker placement is not as tight but if you care more about the puzzle that is less important. Maggie very much enjoys scythe which has deluxe components that you can add and minis is the base game to paint (low player interaction game). Sorry this is difficult because some of our favourite 2 player games don't have the BEST components. Snowdonia deluxe box plays well at all counts and I would say midweight but very tightly competitive. Nusfjord is one of our favourite easier to set up euros for 2 players that is very satisfying when you win. I'd immediately get either one of the expansions which give you the gold metal coins. Hope that helps!! 😊
@@ThinkerThemer Thanks for the recommendations. I’ll add them all to the wishlist while I do the due research
Thinking of backing the new John Company and I think a new print run of this game will be available with that pledge as well, so looked it up and here you guys were! Thanks for this great review. These games intrigue me but the heavy themes make me a bit wary... curious to see how they play!
So I finally got to play this for my birthday last weekend. I had high hopes and I can't really find blame with the game but I have to admit I wasn't blown away with the first experience. Maybe we were all too tired already. One thing I'm afraid of is that I might just not like the design-choices where it's impossible to build anything that's going to last in this game. Anything you do and own can be taken away in the blink of an eye. I'm sure it's intentional to reflect the spirit of the times and make the experience more immersive but it made me realise I do love ramping up in powerlevel along with the other players over the course of the game and Pax Pamir doesn't seem to have that element - or did we play it wrong? Hopefully we'll get it to the table again in a more well-rested state to confirm or debunk these first impressions.
No it definitely sounds like you are playing it correctly. That was what was so new and intriguing to us, that it is so highly tactical rather than strategic in the sense of what we are used to (longer term planning). Of course it will not be for everyone, but if it helps neither of us really liked it for our first couple of plays until we realised how to leverage timing in the game and manipulate the end game scoring. If you're on the same alliance but someone is beating you with influence, swap colours and ensure they don't win the majority condition. Or if your alliance is suffering swap to theirs and win with influence. Once we both realised how to do that it became deeply strategic and difficult. How many did you play with?
And by the way, wishing you a very happy belated birthday. 💕
Such an intricate and strategic game, done well with gorgeous components (resin blocks), feel for historic events, 'original' art from that period. The whole 'pax' thinking and playing was a big step for me. But man, do I love this game. An outstanding board game that stands out with it's design and components. Switching allegiances is great, but can come at a great cost (if your court has been been build to such an extent with the right suits). Economic wise, the market is pretty tight, which makes it not easy to always acquire the wished cards. Theme wise from Maggie's point of view, bone broth is nice, but I see it as an ossobuco (by the lack of an Afghan dish). And on an end note, having those metal afghan coins with your game, will make it a whole point better ;-)
It is truly an amazing game for all of the reasons you mention. You make me want to get it out and play again - especially now that we have the metal coins!!! Looking forward to Oath this year... 😊
@@ThinkerThemer Oh Yasssss... that game just for the looks of it is going in my collection, but knowing Cole has designed it, it maybe will be a next gem in my top 10.
Now I'm tempted to try this one. I just trust you both, so, I always want to try when you review any game that I haven't played. :)
That is dangerous territory my friend 😂 what are your favourite games or favourite type of games?
@@ThinkerThemer I like complex strategy games. From Stonemaier games I have only got my hands on Scythe, Charterstone and Wingspan but I'm inclined towards Viticulture too. I would love to see you guys talk about it. Love your perspectives.
Brass Birmingham so far is the heaviest strategy games I have played so far so I'm not sure if I want to go even heavier with "Endless Winter" so I'm still thinking if I should back that or not.
Sounds like your taste is very in line with ours! We should definitely review Viticulture, although I think many people already know how we feel about it... 🥰 Brass is quite heavy! I'm not sure if Endless Winter would be heavier. Perhaps more options to think about....? This one (Pax Pamir) is actually fairly simple in its mechanics, it is just a bit challenging to initially work out / see the strategy until you play it more and more...
@@ThinkerThemer yeah, our tastes align. Have you played Brass Birmingham?
I think Endless winter is less heavier than Brass but more than other Stonemaier games. If you get endless winter prior and decide to do a review I might back it based on your review.
Will try Pax too. Great review. Keep posting. Love your content.
We do own and play Brass... we're pretty divided on that one (Maggie loves it and I appreciate it but don't enjoy it so much....)
On the back of Pax Parmir 2, I have bought Porfiriana & Transhumanity.
Thanks for the video
Our pleasure! thank you for watching!
Picked this up yesterday on an impulse. The FLGS I was walking by had a copy with the metal coins. I just cannot wait to get it to the table and am stoked to hear you two review it with such appreciation. Curious if a year+ later it's still even something you think about with the amount of games you go through.
I’m also curious as to how it holds up for you.
I really like stonemaier games, I think you should once do a review on stonemair games. Ranking the games as per theme and mechanics. That would definitely be a fun watch or an Instagram live thingy.
Just watched video. Loved the video. Great to see both your enthusiasm. I'm just about ready to pull it off the shelf, and as I'm more likely to play this at the 2 player count am wondering if you guys have ever gotten around to playing with the Wakan? If so, how did you like it and which 2 player version do you ultimately prefer? Still getting some plays in?
Please please review Pax Renaissance, those games are masterpieces.
We just picked up a copy of Pax Porfiriana :) also want to try Renaissance ! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! ☺
@@ThinkerThemer Love your videos, great work!
@@ThinkerThemer would love to see you two review Pax Renaissance! i am quite curious about that one.
I no like extreme take-that games. But this was an great review. I especially like the images of soup. Now I want soup.
Lollll.... yeah I would stick with the soup Dwayne. This one is mean! But I'm addicted...
Hey guys, I watched this based off someone's recommendation of the game, looks great! And reminded me of Root in some ways, on closer inspection I realised it was developed by the Root guys which I didn't know - I just wondered if you love this game so much, is there a reason you haven't explored Root, as it was pretty much 2018 game of the year for many.
Cheers!! :)
Hi Migs!!! Originally we had not played Root because we were not huge fans of assymetric abilities/ objectives... but we rectified that after playing Pax Pamir.. we have a copy, just waiting to be able to get a bigger group together to experience it in all its glory! Thank you for watching... I'm glad you're a fan of Root too!
If you can't get the coins (although there was a recent re-issue) I bought real Afgan Rupees for not a lot of money. P.S. the currency is now Afgan Afganis.
Wow real Afgan Rupees! Amazing. Another content creator (Jazz @ Lobby of Hobbies) heard we loved the game so much but didn't have the coins so he sent us his all the way from the US to Australia. We love them, and this community 💕
Hmmmmmmm... Now I really want to try this game, but I am not sure it is the right thing for me yet... Bone broth, on the other hand... YUM!
Wish I could teach you and convince you! :D Not that you need another game on your to buy list...
Great review! Have you tried to solo mode? I probably won’t be able to play the game with friends and I was wondering if it is worth getting it just for the solo mode.
played the game for a long time in a fixed group of 4. it was really a very nice experience. Now after about 20 games we have started with root. do you know that too? have you played it only in pairs until now?
Thanks Amy & Maggie, great video! A friend of mine just put me on to your channel; it’s great to hear more women’s voices (and Aussie LGBITIQ ones to boot 🌈)
Very glad to have you here and thanks so much for taking the time to comment and for the lovely feedback!! 🇦🇺🦘🏳️🌈
Wish I could find this game anywhere in the US lol
Ohhh no has it sold out? I'm glad for its success but not for your wait!! Hopefully they reprint soon :)
I received this email 2 days ago from the Kickstarter, so you can still get a copy in the US or Canada owningall:
"Webstore Update
Wished you would have gotten the metal coins or picked up another copy for a friend?
Worry not, because we are going to be rolling out our wehrlegig.com US/CA stock update next week. On Nov 5th at 11AM CST, our webstore will be open for new US and Canada orders. Since we have finished fulfillment in these regions, we will start accepting new sales for the limited stock from this campaign."
You can again get Pax Pamir 2nd ed through Kick Starter. Look up John Company, and it is one of the options to back.
@@nzcamel3 hahaha thanks for coming back to comment this. I appreciate it. I actually picked it up a few months ago now
@@DooDooDaddyTV Awesome :) Glad to hear it!
Watching this a second time because it's back on ks and I'm yet again considering it. I'm sad I missed it last year but at the same time I'm still not sure it will see play gah choices choices. is it still hitting your table?
Hey Aaron! Well... to be honest it hasn't recently but that's mostly because we are always playing things to review. It is a beautiful and clever game and despite the theme not being "usual" for us we love it and will keep it in our collection . It is not like anything else we own (maybe closest to Oath but the learning curve for Oath is much greater!) It is very tactical instead of strategic, maybe like a game of chess if you have no opening moves etc planned (I don't lol). The theme means we are selective with who we play it with as we have a lot of casual gamers in our life who really look to theme first to draw them in.
Sorry, I feel that was not that helpful 🙃
@@ThinkerThemer haha well I appreciate it either way. I saw on the ks there was a print and play so I was able to read the rules and tried it on tts against the automa. It's totally up my alley but I don't see anyone who would play it with me so after about 3 hours between the learn and game I ultimately passed on the KS. If I see it on a convention schedule I'll definitely play it. Johns Company looks interesting too but again, I wouldn't have anyone to play it with!
Fair enough! That is the same issue we have. I admire the research you put in! ☺
Maggie, did you wear that sweater because it matches the game?
Yes it was absolutely the reason... thanks for noticing 😁😁😁
How do you think Pamir 2nd compares to Porfiriano?
We have not played any other Pax games so I'm not sure sorry Steve! Have you?
@@ThinkerThemer I bought it recently and have only played solo. But I thought I saw it on your shelf.
Please review Crystal Palace
We have it and we shall! Thanks for the suggestion ☺
@@ThinkerThemer yep I see it on the shelf which is why I made the request.
Hope you got your metal coins. Keep an eye out for the John Company KS later this year
Yes looking forward to that one. I very rarely get the metal coins... sooo expensive with the extra shipping to Australia. Maggie loves coins and gets annoyed at me every time 🙃🙃🙃
@@ThinkerThemer me too. I usually use the Scythe coins or Brass Iron Clays for everything. But, for a special game like Pax 2 I opted to get the metal coins.
Oh sorry I thought you meant the other games! We do have the pax pamir coins ... another content creator sent theirs to us after seeing how much we loved the game 💕
Ok, I have to ask: the golden rhino? Is there a story there? Because it really is quite spectacular and random.
Lol!!! No exciting story actually.. !! But now he has gone from frame because of the increasing number of games on display. This is the first time anyone has asked about the rhino! Thanks for watching Quinn ☺
Game fell flat for me. A big yawn..
Ah sorry to hear that! That's the beauty of boardgaming.. there's something for everyone.. we love the perpetual quest of finding games that work exactly for us and what we enjoy. ☺