Clearly the British gov't didn't want the entire story to get out. I think Ward was innocent of anything nefarious, he simply wanted to hang out with high society movers and shakers, and Christine Keeler and Rice-Davies simply wanted to have a good time...Ward was treated horribly and was a scapegoat.
Eight years before his death, Johnny Edgecombe wrote and published his own book all about his involvement in the Profumo Affair which is titled 'Black Scandal' in 2002. It details his childhood, growing up in the West Indies, abandonment by his father, travels to the UK, working as a petty criminal, drinking den owner, jazz performer, his first meeting with Christine Keeler in September 1962, the incident with Lucky Gordon the following month and the shooting incident in December 1962, his arrest, trial, conviction, prison life, and his later life of being a jazz promoter, marriage to a Danish woman, family life, divorce, marriage to an English woman, TV career, and retirement. It was interesting reading, though a bit of self-serving.
Looking back on this period it was a storm in a teacup, what ministers did in their private life was their business. Stephen Ward was made the scapegoat sad
No , no -the true victim was always Christine Keeler . Ward unfortunately used his connections... ( even if instigated - which makes it even worse actually) ....& then took a huge fall from grace for that & couldn't live with it - while Mrs Christine Keeler fought to live on . Of course he was a scapegoat but he knowingly put himself into this mess while Mrs Keeler didn't use any of her connections to use against all these men !
The Documentary even shortly mentions Robert Maxwell as a potential Producer of this Movie at 10:30 He of course is the Father of Ghislaine Maxwell who was Jeffrey Epsteins Partner in his Blackmail OP Very Interesting "Coincidence"
Exactly. Those girls aren't strippers or prostitutes, they're "dancers"...or "exotic entertainers". The cottage where they resided, which was co-located on the Astor's country estate, wasn't a brothel, it was a place where dancers "rested". Ward wasn't a pimp, he was a "counselor" who gave advice, guided the girl's "careers"....and personally profited from their endeavors. That's the thing that gets overlooked. Ward took a cut of the action, either from the girls or from their "dates", and didn't report the income as revenue, which put him afoul of Great Britain's equivalent of the IRS, which I believe is called the Inland Revenue. Now, what hard-working, semi-starving girl, or boy for that matter, pays someone money that they desperately need for something that wasn't earned? The girls were whores, the cottage was a brothel and Ward was a parasitic pimp and drug dealer (with possible extortionist aspirations)....its as simple as that. Oh, one more thing: Ward didn't want to "know everybody" or "be everybody". That makes it sound like he was a lonely public school boy with deep-seated insecurity issues. Ward was an exploitative, opportunistic manipulator whose ultimate objective was to HAVE something on everyone so that he could USE them. So Ward happily acted as facilitator/enabler for Great Britain's elites and provided them with the means (i.e., drugs, promiscuous partners, etc.) to achieve those ends. In the long run, Ward was done in by his own avaricious greed. Like many before him and since, Ward mistakenly assumed that his position as an MI-5 operative afforded him immunity from any prosecution that might have arisen from his criminal undertakings. He miscalculated. Seriously. One thing that does strike me as curious, which no documentary has ever adequately addressed, is how Ward met Ivanov? How DID that relationship come about?
K August Amateurs! American politicians figured it out? Buy the tabloids and newspapers! Problem solved, Alas America is now for the kleptocrats run by the kleptocracy 😓
Stephen Ward worked for The Daily Telegraph and covered the Eichman trial! A good friend who was part of MI6 confirmed many years later, the Ward was"taken care of" because of what he knew about the Royal Family especially Prince Philip!!!
I served as U.S. Vice-Consul in Perth, Australia when the Profumo affair blew up. After Lord Denning's report was released I determined to get hold of a copy. I checked with a local bookstore. The proprietor informed me that he had several on order, but he despaired of ever receiving them. "I expect that Customs will not grant them entry". "What has Customs got to do with it?" I asked. "Because Customs censors incoming books and films". "But the report is an official publication of the British government." "That would not make a difference. All it has to contain is what Customs judges to be offensive material." I never got the report.
Yes a good watch at last. The 'scandal' film was a must see too. There are still documents 'sealed' and locked away somewhere. We should know what they are keeping from us.
Interesting the Royalty Involvement, Prince Phillip.... like father like son... Princec Andrew makes you wonder doesn’t it, the absence of detail speaks for itself... makes it seem even more plausible that Princess Diana was silenced ....
@steve gale Free speech you communist. This came straight from Mohamed's Al Fayed 's interview in Canada. He spent millions trying to get the truth revealed. Its people like you that keep things hidden.
weeping willow 1966 I would tend to believe that this was true also, I don’t trust the British establishment anymore. Although I serve Her Majesty the Queen as an ex forces guy and currently in the civil service. I don’t trust her family anymore but I still recognise her as my Queen and I will still serve her. I’ve just lost faith in her family and I hate the aristocracy of this country, as they are all liars cheers and many are paedophiles and sex perverts.
If you would like to know more there's a documentary on BBC2 iplayer called, 'Keeler, Profumo, Ward and Me'. The story is told by Tom Mangold who worked for the 'Daily Express' and was the last person to see Mr. Ward alive. Some new information about this story is included. I cannot find the documentary on you-tube.
When you look at today's scandals these events and the actual movie made seem almost innocent in terms of moral compasses and self serving politicians. Fantastic documentary and awesome reminder that it often takes the internet and not the so called free press that delivers the actual facts over fiction
Profumo was guilty of adultery with a very young girl, failed as a politician, got away, rich as never before and was knighted afterwards We are all equal, but those snotty lords are always more equal.
He was knighted because he held his tongue. The British Royal family are well know to reward loyalty. No doubt Prince Philip no doubt had a hand in recommending him for a knighthood.
He did not disappear from public life. He continued to advise the Tories as a major political player in the background incl Margaret Thatcher’s government.
@@johnniethepom7545 He wasn't knighted. His award did not come from the royal family. And it wasn't for "keeping his mouth shut". Do your research: after John Profumo (son of a diplomat of Italian ancestry) resigned his position as minister of war and MP, he and his wife dedicated themselves to years of charity work, volunteering at Toynbee House in the East end of London, and working tirelessly for the charity, becoming its largest fundraiser. His reward was to be awarded the Commander of the British Empire (CBE). It wasn't a knighthood. But yes, please do insult the man and his memory with envy and spite. He made a mistake, he lied to parliament, he resigned and then sought redemption. If we could all have such arcs.
@steverogerson9120 Let's put it this way , if he'd told all he knew during the trial , he certainly wouldn't have got a CBE no matter how much charity work he did, old boy . It's easier to get into the Kingdom of heaven than the closed circle of royalty and the aristocracy. However, I would imagine that many from both groups might have a lot of explaining to do when they reach the pearly gates .
Christine Keeler spoke very fondly of Stephen Ward, although the relationship was platonic, she said had he still been alive she would still be with him. I thought that was such a lovely thing to say.
she seemed to have not been a calculating person with a long term aim. rather naive in some ways which is probably why she hasn't fared so well in the decades since. ward was operating a 'my fair lady' project and certainly one girl married into the peerage through a Ward introduction.
When answering a question in the witness box and under cross examination the words of Mandy Rice Davis: "Well he would say that wouldn't he" those immortal words went down in history and quite often miss quoted, as above.
Rod of course was a great fan of Ms Springfield, who was very gay, usually very drunk, drugged and a noted hotel wrecker in a totally unfunny deranged way. Rod is of course in trouble for a bit of family biff and Rod was of course a total heterosexual lover boy like Dusty Springfield great ultra hetro nympho rival the delicious Sandy Shaw. Rod, his third wife Rachel Hunter and myself are great habitues of strip clubs, which unfortunately in the new Jacinda Ardenite stazi state are no longer publicly bottomless and no longer provide minimal low cost lap dances in public. Terribly disappointing. Isn't it.
Or, as I'm sure some post-modern feminist will point out, a 47 year old having an affair with a 17 year old. Still, I agree with you. Keller had a long, chronicled personal history of promiscuity for profit, what we would and should call for what it is: prostitution. She knew what she was doing and paid the price for her decisions. Like the callow, self-absorbed narcissist she was, Keller thought she could control the situation and the men who succumbed to her allure, but she grossly misestimated her manipulative adroitness and ended up way over hear head. The funny thing is, I never saw much in her. Yeah, she's kinda pretty and if I picked her up in a bar I'd fuck her, but would I risk a ministerial career, and quite possible a Prime Ministership on that piece of passed-around ass? Fuck no.
CaesarInVa you don’t get it! It’s not that simple. They all screw around , he was intentionally honey trapped and blackmailed. Just like Epstein was doing for the elites. They still do it now. There’s a bigger conspiracy here, and like Epstein he didn’t kill himself ! Wake up! 🤯
@@hanniffydinn6019 Thank you! Epstein was allowed in at least 2 palaces to mingle with the rich and famous. Did M15 not tell the Queen that this guy is a peado? Paedo list of MPs misplaced by Home Office conveniently. 17 year old girl with a married cabinet minister. Honey trap is set for all Mps. 2 bodies of Ripper found near flat of Saville yet he was given job by Edwina Currie as head of a mental hospital. Who do you think was the Ripper ? Saville had the keys to residence of Sutcliffe who may not have been the Ripper. They shook hands
John Profumo made the great sacrifice of his career and reputation when he admitted that he had lied about not having done anything wrong with Christine Keeler. What was wrong washis extramarital affair with her. But he could not have been the first man in public life to be guilty of that offense. If he had admitted that mistake, the first time he spoke to Parliament, would his name have been attached to the scandal, or would his part in it have been forgotten? Would he have been allowed to stay in his job? If he had admitted his error the first time, would his honesty have been appreciated? But he was caught in his lie. Giving up his job and, for many years, his respectability, was the price he paid. But Stephen Ward lost his his high society contacts who, to him made life worth living. He knew his existence would never be the same, even if he didn't go to prison. Stephen Ward had introduced John Profumo to Christine Keeler.That set in action a chain of events that led to a government appearing incompetent. For that reason, he had to made into the villain. What I would like to know more about is the Ivanov connection.Was Ward guilty of espionage with Keeler, helping to give information to Ivanov?
I think you might be on to something....perhaps Ward (and by implication, Keeler, though undoubtedly unaware) was Ivanov's operative. Some people seem to think it was the other way around...that Ward was operating a honey trap for a western intelligence agency that sought to draw in the likes of Ivanov, but I don't think so. I think it was the other way around.
I agree. Brilliant actor! He was robbed of an Oscar for portraying Stephen Ward in "Scandal." Politically, his nomination couldn't have happened. To this day, the real story (a spy scandal) has never been told and isn't in this movie, well done though it may be. It probably never will be. And the Academy is not about to ruffle the feathers of the British establishment, who want this story to stay buried.
Lemorab1 I agree with you about john hurt one of my favourite actors he even looked like Stephen Ward a great film have the DVD and some books about Christen Keeler which are excellent .John Hurt a great actor RIP .
A terrific film but lots of people don't want to know the truth, 2 teenage girls bring down the British govt ! Bring on Phil Ochs' tribute to Christine and Mandy...
Lord Denning the man that kept the Guildford 4 in prison for years even though he knew they were innocent, only for Douglas Hurd investigated the case they might all have died in prison,Lord Denning was a vile pompous subhuman that should never have that position of power in life.
I think Christine was an awesome looking woman. Beautiful, despite the stories that exist, fair play to Christine remembered and wrote her name in History Books. She was adventurous, and was caught the eyes of the ELite connections. RiP. X
She was an opportunistic girl who thought she knew how to manipulate men, especially those who manipulated others. Emphasis on "thought" because she was clearly deluded in her over-estimation of her manipulative adroitness. In the final analysis, everyone got what they deserved: the men who preyed on young women and a young woman who so naively, and narcissistically, thought that she could control men of that ilk. Dangerous thinking, as we've seen from the consequences.
One of the behind the scenes reasons why it might be thought not a project to develop could have been the Prince Philip portrait found amongst the art works of the guy arrested for "pimping" and there was no outright plausible explanation from Philip why it existed?.
the least of it. more royals were involved - they don't seem to be able to keep out of anything like that. moreover JFK was involved and some u.k. girls went to work in LBJ operated 'motels/nightclubs.' i think that they will never release all documents on the 1963 assassination until the files are unsealed on this and that's still many years ahead.
@@carolinejohnson22 is the question in response to the previous speculation about why a project should not be developed, or at least its delay? I never said anything was a crime. Just that the establishment just might not want a project developed that would potentially revive thought about an event that had an attachment to the British Royal Family. The Firm relies on the acceptance of their public that they are viable. That is rather a difficult situation when what comes out of the Firm are what tiaras & designer gowns they wear to their charities. Or what holidays they are taking from their charity visits. Or what State dinners they are hosting in which museum appointed castle or palace. A story dies when no one remembers. People die; they do not last forever so all one need do is wait for the forget to take over. Well, when your integrity is challenged by the powerful & influential you have to expect trouble if you dont have information that you can trade to protect yourself then you are basically going to be road kill. If you get hit in the cross fire that is not necessarily a murder but you still are dead. We may never know for certain what role Philip had with the scandal beyond what has been speculated but that is sort of irrelevant as the Firm & their supporters would probably just have the event disappear. People can get embarrassed and when it comes to your reputation some elements of society think its a crime to ruin their own reputation or cause embarrassment. Lesson to learn is that if your well being rests on the support of others you had best not be the subject of speculation. Philip's well being rested on others. The entire Firm does. They tried to do a quiet on the matter. It seemed to work but that did not mean it would go away forever. And when it did not I am certain there were behind the scenes actions by establishment to influence the project. Crime? Bad judgment can be more nasty than a criminal conviction. After the fact no one likes a liar or a snitch.
I love the way the producers have turned the BBC's lack of interest in a single project into a Tory conspiracy and then they made it into a racist plot.
I was in London yesterday so visited 17 wimpole street it's not changed much . Been obsessed with this story since seeing the film years ago . Another great story is Edward fast Eddie Davenport
Valerie Hobson stood by her husband Profumo to the end. Gave up her career as a successful film actress to support his career as politician. The trial judge in the Stephen Ward trial - was he acting entirely without influence or was he part of the establishment just looking for a scapegoat ?
Christine Keeler on her release said; "The pavements were once again full of people, horrible scary people" so strong was her vitriol for the outside world upon her release. Only prisoners upon release would know how this truly feels. For it would seem a case of 'us and them'. I think that this description alone, has to be one of the most heartbreaking 💔 things that I have ever read.
jane holder Yes, very intriguing! Christine refers to an illegal abortion she had and there was a well known beautiful English actress there having the same procedure who told Christine the father was the Duke of Edinburgh.....
@@dnr2089was that Katie Boyle ? He was supposed to have been having an affair with her for years, although I think she's more of a presenter than an actress.
Never realised that the brilliant music producer Joe Boyd - Fairport Convention, Sandy Denny, Nick Drake, Incredible String Band etc - had an involvement with the film industry.
The priminister McMillan knew 2 months before Profumo made his , there was no impropriety speech , that Profumo and Keeler were having an affair. MI5 had also known for some time about it , so did the KGB and the FBI . Denning found it easy to paint a different picture with whitewash and cover things up because he knew the facts that no one else did at the time or since and he intended for that truth to never come out . The establishment , Wards friends , the press at the time , are all guilty of Wards death . There is more to come out , perhaps some of it never will to protect those involved
There's a book in Waterstones about Stephen Ward. When buying a book on a subject I don't have much knowledge on You Tube usually helps! I'm at an age whereas I remember the film Scandal. Also, being a massive LeCarre fan, the whole swings sixties and the Soviet connection is very appealing. The little bit of digging I've done on Ward is that he comes across as a very interesting man albeit a rather sinister one. Lately I've been looking into the MI5 black propaganda against Harold Wilson and the planned coup by Mountbatten and his clubland cronies. If that was you or I planning an event of that nature it would be called treason and we'd be well and truly punished. People like Louis don't have to worry about little trifles of that nature, but soldiers on the streets would if been quite interesting !!!
Apalling Vista,does anyone remember those words by LORD Denning master of the rolls saying of the police being criminals cannot being true,but it was .
Indeed thinker, I watched this last night as well. It's hard to watch and not draw parallels to today, with Epstein, impossible really. Except we still don't know the full story of what exactly he was up to as it relates to international affairs, and as of yet, few heads have rolled, as it were. And as ever, Russia is a central villain. I do want to watch this film profiled here and learn more about the individuals involved, from a human perspective. Youth, beauty, and being seemingly alone in this world is a dangerous spot for a young woman, in any era. This is simply the folly of human behaviour, doubt it has ever been any different, or ever will change, that powerful wealthy men desire to possess the world, and lose everything for their lusts.
The establishment, Tory vile government nothing has changed with their type from then until now, those who paid the price in all of this Christiane keeler god bless her beautiful.
I guess the JAMES BOND movie at that time: secret service, espionage, the cold war, girls, politicians and extortion, the press took advantage of and took place at the same time.
On the contrary, I find that people who cheat and lie to their spouse ( and to all intents their children ) are not people I would do business with . They can not be trusted, and their word means nothing . Purely a personal observation, I like to think it has served me well.
I was hoping this was from the original film with interviews with the original cast not the remake as my Aunt played the part of Christine in the original film..
I felt sad for Christine Keebler, she was a victim very vulnerable.She had a good heart to buy her Mother a house that’s all she wanted fir her Mum .Meanwhile these dirty old men got away with it.I felt sorry for Ward as well He was abandoned.Remind you Of Epstein ? Mandy was hard.
@@EYE_GOTCHA it was West Indians that shot at her flat,it was West Indian who beat her up,it was West Indian who treated her like shit,that’s my point.
1963 - when Britain was still deluding itself it was a great superpower and vitally important player in the Cold War, instead of an empire severely in decline. It was also the English establishment's first attempt to crush the burgeoning 'permissive society' aka the Swinging Sixties.
"Permissive Society" indeed, and that was the Swinging 60's. The horrors of the War years of the 30's and 40's and strict rationing which followed in the 50's had taken their tolls on the tired population. And people were out for something to lift their morale; the music of course was on the up across the pond in USA, and inevitably it was bound to catch on here in UK as well . . .so along came the Beatles, The Stones etc and flower power, free love, page 3 girls and might I mention him, Jimmy So vile !! . . .so the rest is history . . .
Considering it was just over 25 years on from the original scandal with a number of the original cast of characters still alive when the TV series/ film was on the cards I’m not surprised that there was real push back on its production. 🧐
Bollocks they were both high class tarts, on the game, and part of the corrupt establishment system. Don't try and sugar coat things.Nothing has changed.
BOLLOCKS TO YOU CONRAD THAT IS A LIE..THEY WERE KNOWN TO ME (AND YOU JERKO?DOUBT IT ) CHRISTINE WAS A FRIEND MANDY THE TART GOT ALL THE GLORY... ASSHOLE YOU MAKE ME SWEAR IN ANGER..YOU JERK OFF WANKER AS THEY SAY.. WHO EVER EVEN KNEW HER INNOCENCE..GET A LIFE DUMBO Notice "OLD man Murray " owner of Murrays Caberet Club (Upscale fun place)(..NEVER allowed the hussy Mandy to step inside.
In 1963 the system needed a scapegoat - Stephen Ward - and set out to destroy him. Ivanov, Profumo and Lord Astor yielded to temptation, made their bed and eventuaally had to lie in it. Should Monica Coughlan and Aziz Kurtha have been scapegoated for Lord Archer's downfall?
Let's get our busy little tits back in the bull ring . False eyelashes!!! I loved this movie too . But I am getting fucking angry these days . About power and the patriarchy.
Valerie Hobson was an absolute saint to have forgiven Profumo for messing about with that Keeler woman. She was the epitome of class - the complete antithesis of Keeler.
Nah she new where her bread was buttered, Keeler came from what is known in society as lower class, but that was what she was born into, she herself was real CLASS as opposed to stuck up class, there is a difference old chap!!!!
In my previous post, a reference was made to "future President Richard Nixon" who might have thought " that a similar mess would never be his problem". That meant lying like Profumo. The same could be said of that other famous fibber of the Oval Office, Bill Clinton.
None so grand at telling lies than the chump himself - Billy Bunter with the Dolly Parton wig. ! Lets hope its 'soon to be ex-President' f**king sheister.
Still If I, the common working class do such a thing it's called lying and folks never forget it. But with the upper class like Profumo, he quits and soon afterward gets himself a cushy job and lives out his life w/o feeling any guilt.
@@alonenjersey Nothing new...Commoner steals in a store= ShopLifting 😆...Posh person commits same crime it's kleptomania 😂😂😂.Posh folk are Eccentric. 😆.Commoners are mad..need to be Sectioned 😥😥😥
Well worth viewing if only for a few glimpses of Ms. Keeler. OMG, What eyes! Who wouldn't fall for them? Interesting tale, though, of a culture in transition.
The Profumo Affair remains fascinating; the movie version was entertaining but far from brilliant although John Hurt was outstanding. Joanne Kilmer in the lead was sadly nothing like as stunning as Christine Keeler. I was a teenager at the time and reading of wild sex orgies, girls just a few years older than me living lavish "escort" lifestyles, was enough to blow my wankable little mind. I think it was when I woke up to that marvellous subject - "sin".
Great film. Lots of other public figures could have been exposed by this affair, hence the Establishment attempt at damage limitation by bringing Stephen Ward to trial as a pimp. The charges of living off immoral earnings were thin to say the least and the Old Bailey trial was a charade which only further damaged to MacMillan government. Sadly the public humiliation drove Ward to commit suicide before the conclusion of the case.
Clearly the British gov't didn't want the entire story to get out. I think Ward was innocent of anything nefarious, he simply wanted to hang out with high society movers and shakers, and Christine Keeler and Rice-Davies simply wanted to have a good time...Ward was treated horribly and was a scapegoat.
Excellent documentary. Fascinating but sad. Dreadful how Christen ended up in poor circumstances after what what she suffered as a child.
Eight years before his death, Johnny Edgecombe wrote and published his own book all about his involvement in the Profumo Affair which is titled 'Black Scandal' in 2002. It details his childhood, growing up in the West Indies, abandonment by his father, travels to the UK, working as a petty criminal, drinking den owner, jazz performer, his first meeting with Christine Keeler in September 1962, the incident with Lucky Gordon the following month and the shooting incident in December 1962, his arrest, trial, conviction, prison life, and his later life of being a jazz promoter, marriage to a Danish woman, family life, divorce, marriage to an English woman, TV career, and retirement. It was interesting reading, though a bit of self-serving.
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Christine Keeler rest in peace🎉 , Stephen ward rip
Looking back on this period it was a storm in a teacup, what ministers did in their private life was their business. Stephen Ward was made the scapegoat sad
Fantastic documentary. The interviewees here are sagacious, human, and honest.
Dog off!!!!!!!!
A bunch of dirty old men . Who had no respect for the women in their lives . Ego tripping old C U next Tuesdays!!! 👹👹👿👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👹👹👺☠☠☠☠☠
Salacious. More like it .
Stephen Ward RIP the true victim of this mess
No , no -the true victim was always Christine Keeler .
Ward unfortunately used his connections... ( even if instigated - which makes it even worse actually) ....&
then took a huge fall from grace for that & couldn't live with it - while Mrs Christine Keeler fought to live on . Of course he was a scapegoat but he knowingly put himself into this mess while Mrs Keeler didn't use any of her connections to use against all these men !
Setting up children to have affairs with MPs then blackmail is nothing new. List of paedos allegedly went missing by home office.
The Documentary even shortly mentions Robert Maxwell as a potential Producer of this Movie at 10:30 He of course is the Father of Ghislaine Maxwell who was Jeffrey Epsteins Partner in his Blackmail OP Very Interesting "Coincidence"
Worked at a theater showing it back in the day and I loved it ever since.
This was one hell of a movie!
The British Establishment really knows how to cover their dirt, don't they?
K August not only the british 😉
Exactly. Those girls aren't strippers or prostitutes, they're "dancers"...or "exotic entertainers". The cottage where they resided, which was co-located on the Astor's country estate, wasn't a brothel, it was a place where dancers "rested". Ward wasn't a pimp, he was a "counselor" who gave advice, guided the girl's "careers"....and personally profited from their endeavors. That's the thing that gets overlooked. Ward took a cut of the action, either from the girls or from their "dates", and didn't report the income as revenue, which put him afoul of Great Britain's equivalent of the IRS, which I believe is called the Inland Revenue. Now, what hard-working, semi-starving girl, or boy for that matter, pays someone money that they desperately need for something that wasn't earned? The girls were whores, the cottage was a brothel and Ward was a parasitic pimp and drug dealer (with possible extortionist aspirations)....its as simple as that. Oh, one more thing: Ward didn't want to "know everybody" or "be everybody". That makes it sound like he was a lonely public school boy with deep-seated insecurity issues. Ward was an exploitative, opportunistic manipulator whose ultimate objective was to HAVE something on everyone so that he could USE them. So Ward happily acted as facilitator/enabler for Great Britain's elites and provided them with the means (i.e., drugs, promiscuous partners, etc.) to achieve those ends. In the long run, Ward was done in by his own avaricious greed. Like many before him and since, Ward mistakenly assumed that his position as an MI-5 operative afforded him immunity from any prosecution that might have arisen from his criminal undertakings. He miscalculated. Seriously. One thing that does strike me as curious, which no documentary has ever adequately addressed, is how Ward met Ivanov? How DID that relationship come about?
K August Amateurs! American politicians figured it out? Buy the tabloids and newspapers! Problem solved, Alas America is now for the kleptocrats run by the kleptocracy 😓
Still doing IT.
Much better it seems than is the American Establishment.
Stephen Ward worked for The Daily Telegraph and covered the Eichman trial! A good friend who was part of MI6 confirmed many years later, the Ward was"taken care of" because of what he knew about the Royal Family especially Prince Philip!!!
What did he know? I suppose if was peadophilia related...
Colin Dwyer I agree . Philip was up to his neck in all sorts of activities....
What's new August 1997,Dr David Kelly WOMD
I served as U.S. Vice-Consul in Perth, Australia when the Profumo affair blew up. After Lord Denning's report was released I determined to get hold of a copy. I checked with a local bookstore. The proprietor informed me that he had several on order, but he despaired of ever receiving them. "I expect that Customs will not grant them entry". "What has Customs got to do with it?" I asked. "Because Customs censors incoming books and films". "But the report is an official publication of the British government." "That would not make a difference. All it has to contain is what Customs judges to be offensive material." I never got the report.
How did I miss this on telly back in the day?!? Oh well, God Bless You Tube.
Have you watch the BBC's "trial of Kristine Keeler" if not watch it and learn
The Trial of Christine Keeler
Yes a good watch at last. The 'scandal' film was a must see too. There are still documents 'sealed' and locked away somewhere. We should know what they are keeping from us.
Maybe you were out having your hair done?
Where can i watch the TV movie on YT___ ijm in Malaysia and its BANNED here
Interesting the Royalty Involvement, Prince Phillip.... like father like son... Princec Andrew makes you wonder doesn’t it, the absence of detail speaks for itself... makes it seem even more plausible that Princess Diana was silenced ....
Chris Cain lets not forget Charles was best mates with savile
Their all as vile as each other
Diana was carrying Dodi's child, an English Rose with an Arabic baby?? The flags came down at Harrods then sold.
@steve gale Free speech you communist. This came straight from Mohamed's Al Fayed 's interview in Canada. He spent millions trying to get the truth revealed. Its people like you that keep things hidden.
weeping willow 1966 I would tend to believe that this was true also, I don’t trust the British establishment anymore. Although I serve Her Majesty the Queen as an ex forces guy and currently in the civil service. I don’t trust her family anymore but I still recognise her as my Queen and I will still serve her. I’ve just lost faith in her family and I hate the aristocracy of this country, as they are all liars cheers and many are paedophiles and sex perverts.
Why Diana was embalmed within hours of her death... IN FRANCE! to hide her pregnancy...
If you would like to know more there's a documentary on BBC2 iplayer called, 'Keeler, Profumo, Ward and Me'. The story is told by Tom Mangold who worked for the 'Daily Express' and was the last person to see Mr. Ward alive. Some new information about this story is included. I cannot find the documentary on you-tube.
When you look at today's scandals these events and the actual movie made seem almost innocent in terms of moral compasses and self serving politicians. Fantastic documentary and awesome reminder that it often takes the internet and not the so called free press that delivers the actual facts over fiction
Profumo was guilty of adultery with a very young girl, failed as a politician, got away, rich as never before and was knighted afterwards We are all equal, but those snotty lords are always more equal.
gave up politics forever and went quietly into community work, Give the man a break.
He was knighted because he held his tongue. The British Royal family are well know to reward loyalty. No doubt Prince Philip no doubt had a hand in recommending him for a knighthood.
He did not disappear from public life. He continued to advise the Tories as a major political player in the background incl Margaret Thatcher’s government.
@@johnniethepom7545 He wasn't knighted. His award did not come from the royal family. And it wasn't for "keeping his mouth shut".
Do your research: after John Profumo (son of a diplomat of Italian ancestry) resigned his position as minister of war and MP, he and his wife dedicated themselves to years of charity work, volunteering at Toynbee House in the East end of London, and working tirelessly for the charity, becoming its largest fundraiser. His reward was to be awarded the Commander of the British Empire (CBE). It wasn't a knighthood.
But yes, please do insult the man and his memory with envy and spite. He made a mistake, he lied to parliament, he resigned and then sought redemption. If we could all have such arcs.
@steverogerson9120 Let's put it this way , if he'd told all he knew during the trial , he certainly wouldn't have got a CBE no matter how much charity work he did, old boy . It's easier to get into the Kingdom of heaven than the closed circle of royalty and the aristocracy. However, I would imagine that many from both groups might have a lot of explaining to do when they reach the pearly gates .
I was a child in the sixties and I remember my parents talking about this and saying that the worst thing was that Profumo lied in parliament.
The Edgecombe shooting was what really kicked off the scandal but he barely gets a mention by story tellers.
Christine Keeler spoke very fondly of Stephen Ward, although the relationship was platonic, she said had he still been alive she would still be with him. I thought that was such a lovely thing to say.
Yes, it was.
Stephen was just as bad and groomed her to normalize abuse and exploitation
TrangPak2 I don’t believe he did, or she wouldn’t have said she would still be with him. She was an intelligent woman.
she seemed to have not been a calculating person with a long term aim. rather naive in some ways which is probably why she hasn't fared so well in the decades since. ward was operating a 'my fair lady' project and certainly one girl married into the peerage through a Ward introduction.
Trangpak
So basically Women are precious and must be coddled, they aren’t capable of making their own decisions, got it
When answering a question in the witness box and under cross examination the words of Mandy Rice Davis: "Well he would say that wouldn't he" those immortal words went down in history and quite often miss quoted, as above.
One of Dusty Springfield's Finest song👏👏👏.Scandal😆
Rod of course was a great fan of Ms Springfield, who was very gay, usually very drunk, drugged and a noted hotel wrecker in a totally unfunny deranged way. Rod is of course in trouble for a bit of family biff and Rod was of course a total heterosexual lover boy like Dusty Springfield great ultra hetro nympho rival the delicious Sandy Shaw.
Rod, his third wife Rachel Hunter and myself are great habitues of strip clubs, which unfortunately in the new Jacinda Ardenite stazi state are no longer publicly bottomless and no longer provide minimal low cost lap dances in public. Terribly disappointing. Isn't it.
@@frederickmiles327 I am only interested in her Music😆..not her Private life ..😥
Without doubt!
The music video for the song ("Nothing Has Been Proved") is here on TH-cam as well.
Wrote by The Pet Shop Boys ✨️
Epstein style blackmail. Oldest trick in the book. 17 year old having affair with 47 year old MP.
If ain’t broke don’t fix it !
Or, as I'm sure some post-modern feminist will point out, a 47 year old having an affair with a 17 year old. Still, I agree with you. Keller had a long, chronicled personal history of promiscuity for profit, what we would and should call for what it is: prostitution. She knew what she was doing and paid the price for her decisions. Like the callow, self-absorbed narcissist she was, Keller thought she could control the situation and the men who succumbed to her allure, but she grossly misestimated her manipulative adroitness and ended up way over hear head. The funny thing is, I never saw much in her. Yeah, she's kinda pretty and if I picked her up in a bar I'd fuck her, but would I risk a ministerial career, and quite possible a Prime Ministership on that piece of passed-around ass? Fuck no.
CaesarInVa you don’t get it! It’s not that simple. They all screw around , he was intentionally honey trapped and blackmailed. Just like Epstein was doing for the elites. They still do it now. There’s a bigger conspiracy here, and like Epstein he didn’t kill himself ! Wake up! 🤯
@@hanniffydinn6019 Thank you! Epstein was allowed in at least 2 palaces to mingle with the rich and famous. Did M15 not tell the Queen that this guy is a peado? Paedo list of MPs misplaced by Home Office conveniently. 17 year old girl with a married cabinet minister. Honey trap is set for all Mps. 2 bodies of Ripper found near flat of Saville yet he was given job by Edwina Currie as head of a mental hospital. Who do you think was the Ripper ? Saville had the keys to residence of Sutcliffe who may not have been the Ripper. They shook hands
Christine had a beautiful voice, and she was so pretty when young
John Profumo made the great sacrifice of his career and reputation when he admitted that he had lied about not having done anything wrong with Christine Keeler. What was wrong washis extramarital affair with her.
But he could not have been the first man in public life to be guilty of that offense. If he had admitted that mistake, the first time he spoke to Parliament, would his name have been attached to the scandal, or would his part in it have been forgotten? Would he have been allowed to stay in his job? If he had admitted his error the first time, would his honesty have been appreciated?
But he was caught in his lie. Giving up his job and, for many years, his respectability, was the price he paid.
But Stephen Ward lost his his high society contacts who, to him made life worth living. He knew his existence would never be the same, even if he didn't go to prison.
Stephen Ward had introduced John Profumo to Christine Keeler.That set in action a chain of events that led to a government appearing incompetent. For that reason, he had to made into the villain.
What I would like to know more about is the Ivanov connection.Was Ward guilty of espionage with Keeler, helping to give information to Ivanov?
@Julia A Thats why nobody believes you know anything!!---give painting by numbers a go, you just might find yourself!!!
I think you might be on to something....perhaps Ward (and by implication, Keeler, though undoubtedly unaware) was Ivanov's operative. Some people seem to think it was the other way around...that Ward was operating a honey trap for a western intelligence agency that sought to draw in the likes of Ivanov, but I don't think so. I think it was the other way around.
What an awful man Lord Denning.
Denning always a self-publicist and has an inflated opinion of himself
Absolutely! An ignoramus in Law.
@@paulcannon5065 i agree he always seemed to think he was bit above everyone else..
Stephen knew high-profile men liked 'massages' and young women...Sounds remarkably familiar!
Love christines voice, cool lady, like most people just looking for some fun and happiness-----RIP x
Denning doesn't come out of this looking very good.
Eddie Rutherford no he doesn’t and on the Birmingham Six he refused to contemplate ‘the appalling vista’ that was true
John Hurt's finest hour
" I love the ache..."
I agree. Brilliant actor! He was robbed of an Oscar for portraying Stephen Ward in "Scandal." Politically, his nomination couldn't have happened. To this day, the real story (a spy scandal) has never been told and isn't in this movie, well done though it may be. It probably never will be. And the Academy is not about to ruffle the feathers of the British establishment, who want this story to stay buried.
I hope he quits smoking otherwise his excellent acting career may not last much longer. :(
Lemorab1 I agree with you about john hurt one of my favourite actors he even looked like Stephen Ward a great film have the DVD and some books about Christen Keeler which are excellent .John Hurt a great actor RIP .
Monty 1 just one of many fine moments
Denning a whitewash as always with all British enquiries ... Bloody Sunday, the football tragedy and probably Grenfell
Jesus Joanne Whaley was beautiful
Remember 'A kind of loving'?
nick wilson it was a movie in the 60s?
@@nickwilson3294 yes really good tv
Christine Keeler was beautiful which id why a suitably lovely actress had to portray her
A kind of loving was a 60's film starring Alan Bates, the version Joanne Whalley was in was a tv series in the 1980's
It is amazing how the real Stehpen Ward looks like the actor John Hurt.
A terrific film but lots of people don't want to know the truth, 2 teenage girls bring down the British govt ! Bring on Phil Ochs' tribute to Christine and Mandy...
Lord Denning ,what a prick he was like a Paul Whitehouse skit ,check out Peter COOK'S skit on Dennings summing up of the Jeremy Thorpe trial ,lol .
Lord Denning didn't sum up anything in the Thorpe trial - he wasn't the presiding judge...
Lord Denning the man that kept the Guildford 4 in prison for years even though he knew they were innocent, only for Douglas Hurd investigated the case they might all have died in prison,Lord Denning was a vile pompous subhuman that should never have that position of power in life.
Nothing has changed!!
Pilipino scandal movie
I think Christine was an awesome looking woman. Beautiful, despite the stories that exist, fair play to Christine remembered and wrote her name in History Books. She was adventurous, and was caught the eyes of the ELite connections. RiP. X
She was a girl used and abused by men who knew what they were doing. May she Rest In Peace now
She was an opportunistic girl who thought she knew how to manipulate men, especially those who manipulated others. Emphasis on "thought" because she was clearly deluded in her over-estimation of her manipulative adroitness. In the final analysis, everyone got what they deserved: the men who preyed on young women and a young woman who so naively, and narcissistically, thought that she could control men of that ilk. Dangerous thinking, as we've seen from the consequences.
My Dad always said, landed gentry the worst of the lot!
The inbetweens are always on quicksand. They are usually financially dependent on others and probably emotionally unstable depending on their status.
One of the behind the scenes reasons why it might be thought not a project to develop could have been the Prince Philip portrait found amongst the art works of the guy arrested for "pimping" and there was no outright plausible explanation from Philip why it existed?.
the least of it. more royals were involved - they don't seem to be able to keep out of anything like that. moreover JFK was involved and some u.k. girls went to work in LBJ operated 'motels/nightclubs.' i think that they will never release all documents on the 1963 assassination until the files are unsealed on this and that's still many years ahead.
Stephen Ward drew lots of portraits of members of the royal family. Prince Philip was one of them. Is that also a crime?
@@carolinejohnson22 is the question in response to the previous speculation about why a project should not be developed, or at least its delay? I never said anything was a crime. Just that the establishment just might not want a project developed that would potentially revive thought about an event that had an attachment to the British Royal Family. The Firm relies on the acceptance of their public that they are viable. That is rather a difficult situation when what comes out of the Firm are what tiaras & designer gowns they wear to their charities. Or what holidays they are taking from their charity visits. Or what State dinners they are hosting in which museum appointed castle or palace. A story dies when no one remembers. People die; they do not last forever so all one need do is wait for the forget to take over. Well, when your integrity is challenged by the powerful & influential you have to expect trouble if you dont have information that you can trade to protect yourself then you are basically going to be road kill. If you get hit in the cross fire that is not necessarily a murder but you still are dead. We may never know for certain what role Philip had with the scandal beyond what has been speculated but that is sort of irrelevant as the Firm & their supporters would probably just have the event disappear. People can get embarrassed and when it comes to your reputation some elements of society think its a crime to ruin their own reputation or cause embarrassment. Lesson to learn is that if your well being rests on the support of others you had best not be the subject of speculation. Philip's well being rested on others. The entire Firm does. They tried to do a quiet on the matter. It seemed to work but that did not mean it would go away forever. And when it did not I am certain there were behind the scenes actions by establishment to influence the project. Crime? Bad judgment can be more nasty than a criminal conviction. After the fact no one likes a liar or a snitch.
I love the way the producers have turned the BBC's lack of interest in a single project into a Tory conspiracy and then they made it into a racist plot.
I was in London yesterday so visited 17 wimpole street it's not changed much . Been obsessed with this story since seeing the film years ago . Another great story is Edward fast Eddie Davenport
Kenny Johnson mews not street
Valerie Hobson stood by her husband Profumo to the end. Gave up her career as a successful film actress to support his career as politician.
The trial judge in the Stephen Ward trial - was he acting entirely without influence or was he part of the establishment just looking for a scapegoat ?
I had no idea that Joe Boyd had been involved with this.
I always think of him as the man who produced Pink Floyd's "Arnold Layne."
Quite the little rebel isn't he ?
Nor me. His autobiography, White Bicycles, is a great read!
Christine Keeler on her release said; "The pavements were once again full of people, horrible scary people" so strong was her vitriol for the outside world upon her release.
Only prisoners upon release would know how this truly feels. For it would seem a case of 'us and them'.
I think that this description alone, has to be one of the most heartbreaking 💔 things that I have ever read.
37:28 guess even the movie wanted to keep Prince Philip out of the story. I think it's now considered that MI5 murdered Ward.
Read Christine keelers book . Very honest and shocking
Nonsense
Nicholas Carson thank you! Agreed.
jane holder Yes, very intriguing! Christine refers to an illegal abortion she had and there was a well known beautiful English actress there having the same procedure who told Christine the father was the Duke of Edinburgh.....
@@dnr2089was that Katie Boyle ? He was supposed to have been having an affair with her for years, although I think she's more of a presenter than an actress.
Never realised that the brilliant music producer Joe Boyd - Fairport Convention, Sandy Denny, Nick Drake, Incredible String Band etc - had an involvement with the film industry.
She's very beautiful. Sounds weird on paper but thick dark eyebrows and a slight overbite is a heady combination
The priminister McMillan knew 2 months before Profumo made his , there was no impropriety speech , that Profumo and Keeler were having an affair. MI5 had also known for some time about it , so did the KGB and the FBI . Denning found it easy to paint a different picture with whitewash and cover things up because he knew the facts that no one else did at the time or since and he intended for that truth to never come out . The establishment , Wards friends , the press at the time , are all guilty of Wards death . There is more to come out , perhaps some of it never will to protect those involved
Christine Keeler looked like Angie Dickinson of the same time period.
There's a book in Waterstones about Stephen Ward. When buying a book on a subject I don't have much knowledge on You Tube usually helps! I'm at an age whereas I remember the film Scandal. Also, being a massive LeCarre fan, the whole swings sixties and the Soviet connection is very appealing. The little bit of digging I've done on Ward is that he comes across as a very interesting man albeit a rather sinister one. Lately I've been looking into the MI5 black propaganda against Harold Wilson and the planned coup by Mountbatten and his clubland cronies. If that was you or I planning an event of that nature it would be called treason and we'd be well and truly punished. People like Louis don't have to worry about little trifles of that nature, but soldiers on the streets would if been quite interesting !!!
Apalling Vista,does anyone remember those words by LORD Denning master of the rolls saying of the police being criminals cannot being true,but it was .
Great upload
New Year's Eve 2019 seems to me nothing's changed, in my opinion it's still going on by those who have the ability to cover it up. Until it gets out.
Why should it change? Should they offer their benefits to you for free and nothing at all, or what is so wrong about it?
Indeed thinker, I watched this last night as well. It's hard to watch and not draw parallels to today, with Epstein, impossible really. Except we still don't know the full story of what exactly he was up to as it relates to international affairs, and as of yet, few heads have rolled, as it were. And as ever, Russia is a central villain. I do want to watch this film profiled here and learn more about the individuals involved, from a human perspective. Youth, beauty, and being seemingly alone in this world is a dangerous spot for a young woman, in any era. This is simply the folly of human behaviour, doubt it has ever been any different, or ever will change, that powerful wealthy men desire to possess the world, and lose everything for their lusts.
@@spamskanal You have real problems pal, hope you don't live near any nice and normal people moron.
It's been going on in every controlling government of every country in the world since time immemorial, and always will.
The establishment, Tory vile government nothing has changed with their type from then until now, those who paid the price in all of this Christiane keeler god bless her beautiful.
Life goes on. Party Gate. Prince A.
Joanne Whalley looks A LOT like Natalie Wood. Wow.
Not at all.
I guess the JAMES BOND movie at that time: secret service, espionage, the cold war, girls, politicians and extortion, the press took advantage of and took place at the same time.
Why do people make a big deal out of nothing ? Someone’s private life has no bearing on their ability to do their occupation .
On the contrary, I find that people who cheat and lie to their spouse ( and to all intents their children ) are not people I would do business with . They can not be trusted, and their word means nothing . Purely a personal observation, I like to think it has served me well.
She was sleeping with a government minister of war, and a Russian spy.
Those public school boys thought they could do anything ! But two working class girls brought those Tory’s down.
France's Mitterrand had dozen of mistresses, but this did not seem to bother anyone. Rather the opposite. Oh là là
I was hoping this was from the original film with interviews with the original cast not the remake as my Aunt played the part of Christine in the original film..
My queen ant played the part of the cigarette lighter in the 1922 version. 😂😂😂😂😂🐜🐜🐜👸👸🐜🐜🐜🐜👑🍭🍭👵👰👩🐸🏃🏃🏃
I felt sad for Christine Keebler, she was a victim very vulnerable.She had a good heart to buy her Mother a house that’s all she wanted fir her Mum .Meanwhile these dirty old men got away with it.I felt sorry for Ward as well He was abandoned.Remind you Of Epstein ? Mandy was hard.
Anne Hinde what about the black men who abused her .you don’t mention them because they are black.
@@C1tyground5155
She said “dirty old men” - that could have meant any color of dirty old men. I don’t get your point.
@@EYE_GOTCHA it was West Indians that shot at her flat,it was West Indian who beat her up,it was West Indian who treated her like shit,that’s my point.
1963 - when Britain was still deluding itself it was a great superpower and vitally important player in the Cold War, instead of an empire severely in decline. It was also the English establishment's first attempt to crush the burgeoning 'permissive society' aka the Swinging Sixties.
*****
Guess what? No-one gives a sht.
"Guess what? No-one gives a sht." True!
But enough about you, this is British History at its best. ;-)
"Permissive Society" indeed, and that was the Swinging 60's. The horrors of the War years of the 30's and 40's and strict rationing which followed in the 50's had taken their tolls on the tired population. And people were out for something to lift their morale; the music of course was on the up across the pond in USA, and inevitably it was bound to catch on here in UK as well . . .so along came the Beatles, The Stones etc and flower power, free love, page 3 girls and might I mention him, Jimmy So vile !! . . .so the rest is history . . .
it was probably events such as these that led to the swinging 60s as the establishment took a real kicking
If you think Britain was acting like a superpower at that time you yourself are deluded. The major player in the cold war was AMERICA, the big I AM!
A great film based on true events it happened at clivedon Berkshire .john hurt r I p .
Love how the reporter said Samuel Herbert the policeman arresting Stephen ward was bare headed, in other words, he's bald 👴👴
Didn't he mean he wasn't wearing a hat?
Considering it was just over 25 years on from the original scandal with a number of the original cast of characters still alive when the TV series/ film was on the cards I’m not surprised that there was real push back on its production. 🧐
Julius Maloney The original people probably ran out of steam/money/influence. Maybe were too ashamed. Maybe they were told “tough luck”.
Damn she was a total mess in later life, you'd never guess she was a model.
Steve Parker How rude and unnecessary
Monty 1 (airbedane), it does look like a mistake, but in fact there's another copper, called John, in the room/scene, just not seen in this clip!
Bollocks they were both high class tarts, on the game, and part of the corrupt establishment system. Don't try and sugar coat things.Nothing has changed.
BOLLOCKS TO YOU CONRAD THAT IS A LIE..THEY WERE KNOWN TO ME (AND YOU JERKO?DOUBT IT ) CHRISTINE WAS A FRIEND MANDY THE TART GOT ALL THE GLORY... ASSHOLE YOU MAKE ME SWEAR IN ANGER..YOU JERK OFF WANKER AS THEY SAY.. WHO EVER EVEN KNEW HER INNOCENCE..GET A LIFE DUMBO Notice "OLD man Murray " owner of Murrays Caberet Club (Upscale fun place)(..NEVER allowed the hussy Mandy to step inside.
Deborah Kane .. Nice mouth for a lady, I can see why they were your friends
Deborah Kane give it a rest you dense illiterate fool you're boring. Toddle pips !
Kelly Jones Wow you sound smart. Lol
Conrad Mason Bullocks Conrad.
Damn she was pretty!
Nothing beats those girls from the '60's with the long legs and the long hair and goodness...
In 1963 the system needed a scapegoat - Stephen Ward - and set out to destroy him. Ivanov, Profumo and Lord Astor yielded to temptation, made their bed and eventuaally had to lie in it. Should Monica Coughlan and Aziz Kurtha have been scapegoated for Lord Archer's downfall?
I'd love to find a copy of "Scandal"... one of my favorite movies of all time.... does anyone have a link?
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@@sametoyoutoo8509 Thanks...been looking for this for ages.
Robert Reynolds I love how you thanked zero of those who kindly provided what you asked for🤮
Let's get our busy little tits back in the bull ring . False eyelashes!!! I loved this movie too . But I am getting fucking angry these days . About power and the patriarchy.
However Prince Andrew scandal so much worse
jean myers Yes absolutely. When will the film about that come out I wonder???
Why? They had plenty of evidence in the Profumo scandal. No evidence in the Prince Andrew case!
Nope!
The scandal was the connection with a Russian diplomat not the sex
Guy Fawkes had the right idea about what to do with the Crime Minister and the House of Conmens 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nun, ein früher James Bond Film könnte nicht spannender sein.
This scenario has everything.... nothing can improve on real life
wimpole mews ,, not street
All useful distractions - pantomime for the electorate...or in other words, the grossly cerebrally challenged
Lee Taylor you mean brexiteers!
@@pandora8478 LOL
That one lady had Natalie Wood eyes
And she wants them back!
Did you mean Christine Keeler or Joanne Whaley? The latter being a personal favourite of mine.
Valerie Hobson was an absolute saint to have forgiven Profumo for messing about with that Keeler woman.
She was the epitome of class - the complete antithesis of Keeler.
Nah she new where her bread was buttered, Keeler came from what is known in society as lower class, but that was what she was born into, she herself was real CLASS as opposed to stuck up class, there is a difference old chap!!!!
Mr Westie knew
In my previous post, a reference was made to "future President Richard Nixon" who might have thought " that a similar mess would never be his problem". That meant lying like Profumo.
The same could be said of that other famous fibber of the Oval Office, Bill Clinton.
None so grand at telling lies than the chump himself - Billy Bunter with the Dolly Parton wig. !
Lets hope its 'soon to be ex-President' f**king sheister.
"Misled" is a prim & proper word for "lied":
Euphemism😆
Still If I, the common working class do such a thing it's called lying and folks never forget it. But with the upper class like Profumo, he quits and soon afterward gets himself a cushy job and lives out his life w/o feeling any guilt.
@@alonenjersey Nothing new...Commoner steals in a store= ShopLifting 😆...Posh person commits same crime it's kleptomania 😂😂😂.Posh folk are Eccentric. 😆.Commoners are mad..need to be Sectioned 😥😥😥
Well put. All these of years of civilization, some things never change.
but then again who knows what really happen
Well worth viewing if only for a few glimpses of Ms. Keeler. OMG, What eyes! Who wouldn't fall for them? Interesting tale, though, of a culture in transition.
The one with the beautifull eyes is the ACTRESS.
Keeler is the ugly bitch with a mouth full of crucket teeth!
Looks like Jeremy Thorpe driving the cab Ivanov gets out of...around 53.3?
Bridget Fonda is just a doll. She should have had better scripts.
Bridget Fonda wasn't in the movie.
The Master & your Daddy. She was on this piece though. Didn’t you see her?
The Master & your Daddy. What are you on? She was Mandy, probably her most famous role. Give me what you’re smoking NOW.
ns2110theonly I don’t want to smoke it, it must make you blind lol. Or stupid.
The Master & your Daddy. She played Mandy Rice-Davies
"Wenn der putz steht, der sechel legt." Yiddish for when you get a hard on, your mind goes blank.
Steht?
Well, if you consider what the establishment got away with back then, and that includes MI5, is it any surprise that things are much worse now?
Where should I watch the full movie??
As I listen to this video, the only thing that comes to mind is the movie: A Fish Called Wanda 🙃🌻☮️💖
the two girls at the centre of this, at least they didn't end up like Jill dando
A very good point you made regarding Jill Dando & Christine Keeler.
Why Jill dando?
Compared to the Epstein affair, these were VERY innocent times.
The Profumo Affair remains fascinating; the movie version was entertaining but far from brilliant although John Hurt was outstanding. Joanne Kilmer in the lead was sadly nothing like as stunning as Christine Keeler. I was a teenager at the time and reading of wild sex orgies, girls just a few years older than me living lavish "escort" lifestyles, was enough to blow my wankable little mind. I think it was when I woke up to that marvellous subject - "sin".
No mention of Pakistani dictator Ayub Khan..???
Life goes on. Partygate.
Lord Denning they rolled him out years later for the Birmingham 6 appalling vista
Great film. Lots of other public figures could have been exposed by this affair, hence the Establishment attempt at damage limitation by bringing Stephen Ward to trial as a pimp. The charges of living off immoral earnings were thin to say the least and the Old Bailey trial was a charade which only further damaged to MacMillan government. Sadly the public humiliation drove Ward to commit suicide before the conclusion of the case.