Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I am a lifelong banjo player, but my left hand has been giving me trouble with learning some of Roger’s lines. This really cleared some stuff up. Thanks again for the beautiful playing and wise words!
Such a beautiful sound these Riki 360/12's have. Wished I had one. But way out of my price range....sigh. Great tutorial too. Thanks. Roger McGuine is a 12 string legend.
There is a Chinabacker made now although it needs much modifications (like he mentioned ) improvement of the spacing on the nut. A Taylor 12 acoustic with a nice pickup would also have a close sound. $3000 Guitar plus the Luthier’s touch. Sounds amazing. Nice work.
The sound of these guitars bring tears to my eyes. That why I bought a 360/12V64 20 years ago and still play it allot. Mine has a custom made 12 saddle bridge. I like the half step down tuning you did. I'm going to try that with mine. I'd like to have Dr. Quist do mine but I' scared to ship it. Allot of guys on the BGC have had their Rick 12 strings that played hard set up by Mark. Not 1 complaint.
Modfather, I have a Brownsville Electric 12, that I play Mr. Tamborine Man on plus some other of the "Moldy Oldies" on. Got if from Sam Ash Music, many years ago, because I didn't want to mortgage my house to buy a true Rick, and it was advertised as having the sound of the Rick 12's! I think it is pretty close! But, now as the years have gone by, the fingers don't want to work like they used to! But I have been trying to get the beginning of Turn, Turn, Turn down for years, even watched McGuinn's Video, with no luck! Just stubledd on your video, and will try what you said, as I now have a lot more time to play! Maybe it will sound better with your tutilage! Stay healthy and keep playing!
Tom... Thanks for the message. So yes, I got this approach from McGuinn's 12 string dvd from years ago. He wasn't teaching banjo picking, but more of a strumming approach to this song. That's what I tried to duplicate here. Hope it helps. Best of luck to you out there...;-)
I use a large Hergo thumb pick I cover the top of the pick with rubber electric tape.It gives you great grip .Place metal picks on 2ond and 3rd and brace the pickguard with other two.Rickenbacker's have two teer pickguards witch makes it easier to do Try it !
NICE GUITAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a Framus 12 string acoustic years ago that I foolishly traded for a 1200 baud modem. Doi! Thanks very much for the lesson! I have my work cut out for me now. That line; "I swear it's not too late" still brings tears to my eyes. Where does the time go? (and i fear that it just might be too late). Rock on my friend(s). SS way up here in Vancouver BC
Lovely comment. I hear you about that line. McGuinn and the boys really nailed it on this song, didn't they. Timeless and glorious. BTW, we've all made bone-headed guitar trades and sales in our time. One of the problems with having an ego that equates "having" with "being" is that the buzz we once got from possessing something fades all too quickly. Consequently, we look for the next hit, and we make a dumb decision to let something of real quality go in the name of simply having something new.
The backup rolling banjo fingerpicking is the hardest part of the mix. the actual single note solo was dubbed later. you'll find the same rolling banjo technique on "Wild Mountain Thyme"
@@modfather1965 I learned this song off the LP in 1966 but I'm no long neck 5 string banjo player like McGuinn so I'm still trying to 'finger' out the "3 fingers and a thumb" rolling banjo pattern. I did learn McGuinn's stage performance version from a guy named John Noreen of the Rose Garden. (buds with Gene Clark) and if I ever get another Rick 12 I'll definitely put it up on the board for y'all.
Great sound. I have several Rics and find if it ain't 12-string, they aren't much. I too had the Arnquist modification. What a difference. Rics are the king of 12-string.
Thanks. That's actually my dad's old Omega Seamaster from the late 50's. Coincidentally, I need to head down to my local watch shop and pick her up tomorrow, as she had a complete overhaul.
I wish Rickenbacker would make their 12 strings with wider necks on the standard models because currently only that limited edition Pete Townsend model has the size of neck I like and it just too expensive!
Don't forget the 660 models also have the wider neck, but yeah--would be great for both the 330 and 360 models to come with that option. I think what you'd see is the the old style 12 necks would soon become completely obsolete, except for a few aficionados like McGuinn...
I like a neck a tad wider than those guitars on a 12 ,I don't know why Rickenbacker don't just bite the bullet and give customers what they ask for, cant be anything other than obstinacy and being too stuck in the past.
I think any experienced guitarist would absolutely agree. If the family owned business doesn't get it after so many years of complaints by their customer, there's other places to go. I have small hands and still won't buy one. I got a Chinese knockoff, set it up well & it's alot of fun to play. It looks good and the neck is a comfortable width.
Thanks for this lesson! I too have the Roger McGuinn video and I agree he goes too fast with his explanations so thanks for breaking this down. I don't have a Rick instead I have a Fender electric 12 which gets close to the Byrds sound. Do you use a jangle box? I would be interested in your thoughts if you do. Keep up the good playing!
+h2er80 Thanks for the encouragement. Indeed, I have used a Janglebox in the past, but I found that the compressor on my Boss ME-50 Multi-effects pedal (played through two amps) did the job wonderfully. I ran direct side-by-side comparisons between the Boss and the Janglebox, and couldn't really hear a difference, so I sold the Janglebox...
There is a pattern during every verse , PICKED, not strummed, after each bass note movement ( a,d,e,d,)(( g string A, b string D, high e string open...)) the timing is like saying the word , "California" ....D California, G California, F# California, A . The only person that strummed was David Crosby. If you can get a digital editor, slow it down and keep the pitch the same, it should be quite obvious. If I were sitting with you I could show you in a few seconds, but obviously not possible. You also have the A to D chords picked incorrectly as well, McGuinn, played the exact same thing each time there...... You have the intro correct. ;-) Though Youre in Eb.
I’m fairly distracted by the superb tone and overall sound of the guitar, I almost forgot its a lesson video lol. But its great altogether! Haha thanks man!
You get a deep driving sound in this video, much more so than the video of the Danoelectric or what ever its called. I'm surprised you sold this guitar, it sounds so great. What did you play it through and what did you do to get that sound. Thanks.
This was indeed a fabulous playing Ric 12, but my new 1993 Plus is just as good, IMO... Ironically, here I'm not playing through anything all too special--a garage sale find Vox Pathfinder, and a Vox Tonelab multi-effects pedal. Compression on, of course.
I was just thinking about that song last night, thinking how cool it would be to lean it. Gotta be some good lessons out there on it already though, right?
I have The Essential Byrds compilation and try to play along to "Turn! Turn! Turn!" in D-major with my very bright-sounding Tele--not 12 strings but still sounds good. My problem is the tuning. I'm certain that the recording I have is not tuned to A=440 Hz. I haven't bee able to find anything on the web to tell me what A is tuned to for The Byrds' recording. Maybe the version on The Essential Byrds is off and other recordings are at A=440. Do you know? Are you able to play along with your Byrds recording of the song? This is driving me nuts. (I have been watching your videos regularly since at least 2014. Great stuff! You play so tastefully. If I could get half as good as you, I'd be happy.)
Hi M... Thank you for your kind words. Wow, you're much more of an aficionado than I am, that's for sure. In truth, I learned this song by watching McGuinn's dvd "The 12-String Guitar of Roger McGuinn." You can see part of it here: th-cam.com/video/ZAejkh4rTjs/w-d-xo.html
@@modfather1965 : Thanks for the McGuinn lesson link. For my part, since I don't play in a band, my way to play in an ensemble is to play along with an MP3 player plugged into my guitar amp. Hence my question about tuning. I have solved The Beatles' "Ticket to Ride" problem. The records were slowed down to A=431 Hz. And Oasis' "Don't Look Back in Anger" is sharp at around A=450 Hz. There are other songs that are off. I'm going to use my digital tuner to figure out "Turn! Turn! Turn!". Keep the excellent video lessons/performances coming! Merry Christmas from Winnipeg, Canada.
@@modfather1965 : Thank you for the compliment-my taste in music is why I follow modfather1965! By the way, I've figured out the pitch on The Byrds' recording. It is tuned to A=450 Hz. If you tune to that pitch, then you can play along to the record. All the best from Winnipeg, Canada.
Sorry to say I haven't tried to play along with the albums. I learned most of what I know from McGuinn's DVD, "The 12-String Guitar of Roger McGuinn." Thanks much for your encouragement. ;-)
Have you tuned down a half steP? Hmmm I know its done on 12s a lot to ease up tension on the neck, but you should tell us. Im sirtting here thinking Im tone deaf/ But the only way I get what you have is by tuning E to Eb an so forth
Please excuse my silly question that is coming up. I want to buy this guitar as a learning instrument. All I know now are some chords on a six string. I will begin a beginners lesson and go back to basics , but I want an electric and I want this guitar to be the only in I have...........what do you think ? I just love this sound and I think I would play mine with a mission to be good with a guitar that I truly desire...thank you for reading my question....Cheers !
I think your plan for a Rickenbacker 12 sounds just like mine was... I didn't (and still don't) really know how to play the guitar, let alone a 12 string, but I wanted one badly to provide me additional incentive to learn. Let me tell you... A Rickenbacker 12 string is a fine, fine thing, but it needs to be "set up" well in order to be truly enjoyable. I would recommend getting either a 660/12 model or a 1993 Plus (both wide neck models). If you don't get one of those, but a standard Rickenbacker 12 (e.g., the 330/12 or 360/12), send it to Mark Arnquist of Seattle and have him do his $500 12-point modification to it. He turns a standard Rickenbacker 12 into a MUCH more playable instrument. Finally, you'll want a compressor pedal to get the most out of your Rickenbacker 12. I highly recommend the Boss ME-50 multi-effects pedal to make your 12 really sing. It has a fabulous compressor, along with about 50 other effects, built right into one pedal which is easy to use. You can nab one of those on Ebay for about $150 these days. Best of luck!!!
All very well if you live in the western US. Arnquist isn't much help to those of us living over the other side of the pond though and at $500 for the mod, I'd pass on that, but then I'd probably do the work myself anyway. Mind you, got to get a Riki first... lol.
*modfather 965* I always have advocated that people should learn guitar on an acoustic 12 string. That is how I started out. Because of the wide string spacing, or double the amount of strings, it is easy, as beginner, to place your fingers where required for the relevant chord; no missing the strings with one's stiff little fingers... The wide fretboard and usually thicker necks, also stretch the fingers. Once one is accustomed to playing all the main chords on a 12 string, playing a 6 string, especially an electric is easy-peasy. My first guitar was a chipboard LP copy, that was a bit of a dog, but shortly after, I obtained an Eko 12 Ranger, bought in Naples, Italy. Where my ship, the aircraft carrier - Ark Royal, was visiting at the time and this was my first visit to Italy. I played the Eko more than the LP copy... About 8 months later, with some of the strings (esp the 6th 'G' ) having busted, I converted the Eko to 6 string. Now, I would not advocate converting a 12 to a 6, because the guitar is designed for the tension of 12 strings, however, the Eko was built like the Ark, with a fretboard almost as wide as our flight deck! So it did not cause any issues. The Eko is a great guitar for beginners and with it's bolt-on neck and 'zero fret', is easy to set up really well. The company tend to use particularly heavy lacquer on the body, which does tend to deaden the tonality quite a bit, but I discovered that, by removing (sanding back) the lacquer on the top, makes the instrument far brighter and tonally responsive, for a laminate topped guitar.
This is the 2nd post I've had to make about, perhaps, mentioning that you are tuned a half step low. It's much more helpful if you bring that up at the beginning of your video.
Nice video and great playing. I'm reading in a thread from 2007 that Mark Arnquist may be in ill health and one guy is having trouble contacting him. Any info on Mark? What did he do to your guitar exactly? One thing he changed the nut and what else? Thanks.
I'm sorry to hear that about Mark. He's on my FB feed, and I haven't seen anything like that on there. Yes, he did 12 different modifications, I think it was. Mostly bridge, nut, and fret work. Oh yes--some electronics too. Wish I could remember it all. Sold the guitar for a 1993-Plus, just like Mark said I would...
Hey man, thanks for the reply! I just bought Dano12 and tryin to RIC her up as much as possible..LOL.Enjoyin hangin out on your channel! A RIC through an AC30.....You must be livin right..LOL
@@modfather1965 Low String before the Octave String, ok turns out that's how Rickenbacker 12 String Guitars are strung which produces a very special sound. For E Standard Tuning you'll need a set of Ernie Ball 8 Gauge 12 String Electric Guitar Strings cause those are the lightest gauge of Strings for 12 String Electric Guitar available.
+Jenni81 I labored under this misconception as well, for a long time, and misdirected MANY, oops! The dead give-away between 330, and 360, (the Most obvious) is the fingerboard inlays. All the 330's "Back in the Day came with "DOT" markers, while the 360's had the more coveted "Trapezoids". Then there were the "Townsend" models that had the Dot inlays, and the "F" hole instead of the Slash, and were designated as 330 F. I don't know why Pete wanted the "F" hole, considering that they were just going to be added to his "SMASH" pile? Such a criminal waste, IMHO! I believe you could also expect the early 330's, (up to '61) to have those HUGE "Stove Top" control knobs as well, very George Jetson, (not Harrison) Retro, Ha!
+george scarlett PS The "Stove Knobs" are installed on this man's 360, probably by Mr. Arnquist who is one great guy, (on RIC Forum/s), just don't mention Paul Wilczinski, LOL!
On this vid, I was using a small Vox Pathfinder amp (garage sale pickup) and a Vox Tonelab pedal... Settings I couldn't say, as I don't have the Tonelab anymore.
Hello Modfather, What a great YT moniker. Great gear too! If you're up for it, I can provide you with a breakdown of McGuinn's picking technique and the solo to Turn Turn Turn. I have PDFs that explain what McGuinn is doing and some exercises to help you on your way. Let me know if you are interested and how to arrange contact to forward the information.
@@modfather1965 easy for mcguinn but being new to banjo picking, and doing it simultaneously with flat picking takes phenomenal coordination in the middle. I will say TH-cam does empower some of these videos as you can slow the loop speed to 0.25x on the settings to see what is being picked.
Thank you so much for your easy to follow "guitar pckers lesson", and not, a graduate music lesson, on the practical application of...... the pentanomic scale. We just wanna play the songs not, Join the a symphony. Thanks again for being Down to Earth. The other guys are trying but I loose my train of thought during the long winded theory explination. "I am waiting to hear where we put our finger next, not why and how this riff evolved. :-)
Way more than adequate, sir. Very impressive playing and guitar collection. I just featured your channel and 2 videos on my music blog, 'The Backbeat'. Check your messages for the URL, since I can't post that in these comments.
For dummies like me , sing the song or some of it as you play. I have heard the song 75 times on the radio and played guitar for 45 years but still I'm like...where is he in the song as he is playing that?
I don't see the use of the position 2 on the G-string, it isn't played, is it. Good lesson, but pity of the half-step downtuning, great for sound, not so useful for tutorials.
For the 1st two sets of strings the high E and its other string are tuned identically to each other. So, two E strings identical, then two B strings identical. The remaining G through low E string pairs are tuned an octave apart. When you strum from the lowest string to the highest (strumming down), you will be touching the higher octave string and then its lower sounding counterpart. The higher octave strings are also slightly offset from the lower octave ones -- except on those first 2 courses.
modfather1965 nope-I'm tuned to standard (e,b,g,d,a,e high to low) and every fret you call out and play is one off of what I have to play to match. You're tuned to Eflat
Probably one of the most Iconic 12 string guitar rhythm part in the last 70 years on Turn Turn Turn.
True that...
The Byrds FOREVERMORE 🎤🎶🎸🎸🎸🥁
one of the most influential bands ever!
Like the late Tom Petty said... nobody sounded like them at the time... truly one of a kind band....🎤🎶🎶🎶🎸🎸🎸🥁
That guitar is music to my eyes and ears! Very well played and explained.
Thanks for the support. ;-)
Beautiful sound!! It reminds me of my father who passed away because he used to like this Byrds song very much.
It's a lovely, whimsical song, rendered beautifully by The Byrds. ;-)
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I am a lifelong banjo player, but my left hand has been giving me trouble with learning some of Roger’s lines. This really cleared some stuff up. Thanks again for the beautiful playing and wise words!
Well... As a banjo player, you could teach me much, I'm sure. Glad this helped out somehow. ;-)
That's such a beautiful sound, you could just strum that all day..
Indeed. Thanks for your support.
Such a beautiful sound these Riki 360/12's have. Wished I had one. But way out of my price range....sigh. Great tutorial too. Thanks. Roger McGuine is a 12 string legend.
Thanks for the compliments...
There is a Chinabacker made now although it needs much modifications (like he mentioned ) improvement of the spacing on the nut.
A Taylor 12 acoustic with a nice pickup would also have a close sound.
$3000 Guitar plus the Luthier’s touch.
Sounds amazing.
Nice work.
that might just be the greatest guitar in the world.
It may just be...;-)
@@modfather1965 it is buddy, plus, I just uploaded a couple of my Rickenbackers on my channel buddy 😀
Sounds good... you're getting there 🎸
The Byrds would be ever so proud ✌🏼
Oh man, that Rickenbacker… what a machine, what a sound!
I went down the Rickenbacker rabbit hole and came across this video. Great job and great sounds. Nice Timex Marlin you got on. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your support. p.s. It's actually my dad's 1956 Omega Seamaster...
Man that Rick sounds good. Beautiful guitar and great video!
You're very kind. Thanks for the support.
New sub
360 Ric has always been on my wish list❤🎸
What a sound! Amazing set up
The sound of these guitars bring tears to my eyes. That why I bought a 360/12V64 20 years ago and still play it allot. Mine has a custom made 12 saddle bridge. I like the half step down tuning you did. I'm going to try that with mine. I'd like to have Dr. Quist do mine but I' scared to ship it. Allot of guys on the BGC have had their Rick 12 strings that played hard set up by Mark. Not 1 complaint.
He does great work... Shipping is no big deal. Just be sure your guitar is secure inside the case (esp. no forward sliding) and you're golden.
Boy that thing sounds fantastic 👏
Rickenbacker 12's are national treasures... Thanks for the compliment.
Wow...Herr in Himmel, was für ein Sound!!!!
Cooler Clip!!!
Outstanding - really nice work! I appreciate that you took the time to do this one showing more of the left hand positions.
Perhaps in another lifetime... I did live in the UK from 84-86, BTW. Thanks for the compliments on the guitars.
I will listen to this differently from now on .... good video ...thanks .
+Dave Evans Cheers. Glad it was meaningful.
Great lesson. Thanks!
Awesome video...I learned this after you posted the first one.... thanks...
Love the chimney jingle jangle!
That's what Ric is famous for, right?
@@modfather1965 nah!
Love your Rick. WIsh I had the cash to get one. I have a Danelectro 12 string.
You've got a 12 String and now you can play the song.
Modfather, I have a Brownsville Electric 12, that I play Mr. Tamborine Man on plus some other of the "Moldy Oldies" on. Got if from Sam Ash Music, many years ago, because I didn't want to mortgage my house to buy a true Rick, and it was advertised as having the sound of the Rick 12's! I think it is pretty close! But, now as the years have gone by, the fingers don't want to work like they used to! But I have been trying to get the beginning of Turn, Turn, Turn down for years, even watched McGuinn's Video, with no luck! Just stubledd on your video, and will try what you said, as I now have a lot more time to play! Maybe it will sound better with your tutilage! Stay healthy and keep playing!
Tom... Thanks for the message. So yes, I got this approach from McGuinn's 12 string dvd from years ago. He wasn't teaching banjo picking, but more of a strumming approach to this song. That's what I tried to duplicate here. Hope it helps. Best of luck to you out there...;-)
I use a large Hergo thumb pick I cover the top of the pick with rubber electric tape.It gives you great grip .Place metal picks on 2ond and 3rd and brace the pickguard with other two.Rickenbacker's have two teer pickguards witch makes it easier to do Try it !
Sounds cool. Would love to see a brief "tutorial" showing your approach...
NICE GUITAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a Framus 12 string acoustic years ago that I foolishly traded for a 1200 baud modem. Doi! Thanks very much for the lesson! I have my work cut out for me now. That line; "I swear it's not too late" still brings tears to my eyes. Where does the time go? (and i fear that it just might be too late). Rock on my friend(s). SS way up here in Vancouver BC
Lovely comment. I hear you about that line. McGuinn and the boys really nailed it on this song, didn't they. Timeless and glorious.
BTW, we've all made bone-headed guitar trades and sales in our time. One of the problems with having an ego that equates "having" with "being" is that the buzz we once got from possessing something fades all too quickly. Consequently, we look for the next hit, and we make a dumb decision to let something of real quality go in the name of simply having something new.
Handy video; beautiful guitar!
+David Woodley Glad to be of help on such a wonderful song. Cheers.
That guitar sounds SO good!
+DMSProduktions Good gear is crucial, right? ;-)
modfather1965
True, but good doesn't necessarily mean EXPENSIVE!
Would sound better in TREBLE position!
@@modfather1965 Nice bud! You should do the intro to hotel California on your Rick! 👊
@@modfather1965 also I love Ricks so much! They are without a doubt the greatest guitar ever! 😀
Incredible sound!
Thanks... Humble little Vox amp with a Tonelab is all. The guitar helps, of course. ;-)
@@modfather1965 Are you not using some kind of compressor?
@@Berniewahlbrinck Indeed, I am here. The one on my Vox Tonelab.
oh, and btw, Roger used a drop D tuning for the low E, just like the "Bells if Rhymey"
Great tutorial,great ring coming out of that Ricky also.
Thanks. Glad it was helpful.
The backup rolling banjo fingerpicking is the hardest part of the mix. the actual single note solo was dubbed later. you'll find the same rolling banjo technique on "Wild Mountain Thyme"
Indeed, it's hard. I wish someone would do a nice, slowed down tutorial on it here...
@@modfather1965 I learned this song off the LP in 1966 but I'm no long neck 5 string banjo player like McGuinn so I'm still trying to 'finger' out the "3 fingers and a thumb" rolling banjo pattern. I did learn McGuinn's stage performance version from a guy named John Noreen of the Rose Garden. (buds with Gene Clark) and if I ever get another Rick 12 I'll definitely put it up on the board for y'all.
@@wmsollenberger8706 That would be mahhhhvelous...
Lovely guitar ...classic !!!
Thanks. It's a good one.
Great sound. I have several Rics and find if it ain't 12-string, they aren't much.
I too had the Arnquist modification. What a difference.
Rics are the king of 12-string.
You're the first guy whose mentioned he's also had the Arnquist mods... They really help, ay?
That's great to hear. Thanks for the encouragement.
Nice guitar and I also like your watch.
Thanks. That's actually my dad's old Omega Seamaster from the late 50's. Coincidentally, I need to head down to my local watch shop and pick her up tomorrow, as she had a complete overhaul.
I wish Rickenbacker would make their 12 strings with wider necks on the standard models because currently only that limited edition Pete Townsend model has the size of neck I like and it just too expensive!
Don't forget the 660 models also have the wider neck, but yeah--would be great for both the 330 and 360 models to come with that option. I think what you'd see is the the old style 12 necks would soon become completely obsolete, except for a few aficionados like McGuinn...
I like a neck a tad wider than those guitars on a 12 ,I don't know why Rickenbacker don't just bite the bullet and give customers what they ask for, cant be anything other than obstinacy and being too stuck in the past.
I agree with you...
I think any experienced guitarist would absolutely agree. If the family owned business doesn't get it after so many years of complaints by their customer, there's other places to go. I have small hands and still won't buy one. I got a Chinese knockoff, set it up well & it's alot of fun to play. It looks good and the neck is a comfortable width.
Nice 360/12 😏👍
Thanks for this lesson! I too have the Roger McGuinn video and I agree he goes too fast with his explanations so thanks for breaking this down. I don't have a Rick instead I have a Fender electric 12 which gets close to the Byrds sound. Do you use a jangle box? I would be interested in your thoughts if you do. Keep up the good playing!
+h2er80 Thanks for the encouragement. Indeed, I have used a Janglebox in the past, but I found that the compressor on my Boss ME-50 Multi-effects pedal (played through two amps) did the job wonderfully. I ran direct side-by-side comparisons between the Boss and the Janglebox, and couldn't really hear a difference, so I sold the Janglebox...
modfather1965 c
Great Lesson.................5 stars!
Nice sound but do you use a Janglebox compressor?
I had one once, but I found my Boss compressor on my multi pedal was just as good, so I sold the JB.
Nice job. Great sound.
Thanks for the support.
wow al fin entendi gracias,sorry bout my spanish thank you
There is a pattern during every verse , PICKED, not strummed, after each bass note movement ( a,d,e,d,)(( g string A, b string D, high e string open...))
the timing is like saying the word , "California" ....D California, G California, F# California, A
. The only person that strummed was David Crosby.
If you can get a digital editor, slow it down and keep the pitch the same, it should be quite obvious. If I were sitting with you I could show you in a few seconds, but obviously not possible. You also have the A to D chords picked incorrectly as well, McGuinn, played the exact same thing each time there......
You have the intro correct. ;-) Though Youre in Eb.
Nice eye (and ear) for detail...
I’m fairly distracted by the superb tone and overall sound of the guitar, I almost forgot its a lesson video lol. But its great altogether! Haha thanks man!
You're welcome. Thanks for stopping by. ;-)
Thanks so much! Very helpful!
+Uncle Edward Glad to hear it. Thanks for stopping by.
I use my pinky and ring fingers to finger pick, I find it so much easier. I also sometimes hold the flat pick with my thumb and middle finger.
Do you play Bells of Rhymney? I found it, very nice too.
I do, or I should say, did, as it's been a while.;-)
You get a deep driving sound in this video, much more so than the video of the Danoelectric or what ever its called. I'm surprised you sold this guitar, it sounds so great. What did you play it through and what did you do to get that sound. Thanks.
This was indeed a fabulous playing Ric 12, but my new 1993 Plus is just as good, IMO... Ironically, here I'm not playing through anything all too special--a garage sale find Vox Pathfinder, and a Vox Tonelab multi-effects pedal. Compression on, of course.
I know this is quite an old video, but I just wanted to say, this lesson is for the Byrds.
Well... Just one way of playing it, not at all the fabulous finger picking style of McGuinn, I know. Beginner lesson for beginning guitarists... ;-)
I wasn't critiquing at all, friend; just couldn't pass up on a bad pun. Beautiful sound!
@@PJErvin Ah, well... Sorry I stumbled over that one. Thanks for the support. ;-)
Wow this song reminds me of my father who died last year.
I'm sorry for your loss... Thanks for stopping by.
Well done thank you 😃
Thanks. Glad to be of help.
You mean you can hear a lot of Byrds stuff in Tom Petty.
Can you do 8 miles high as well? plee?!
I was just thinking about that song last night, thinking how cool it would be to lean it. Gotta be some good lessons out there on it already though, right?
@@vibefrequencyable I totally agree... Man, he's all over the place on 8 Miles, isn't he.
@@modfather1965 the iran comment was on another post sorry
I have The Essential Byrds compilation and try to play along to "Turn! Turn! Turn!" in D-major with my very bright-sounding Tele--not 12 strings but still sounds good. My problem is the tuning. I'm certain that the recording I have is not tuned to A=440 Hz. I haven't bee able to find anything on the web to tell me what A is tuned to for The Byrds' recording. Maybe the version on The Essential Byrds is off and other recordings are at A=440. Do you know? Are you able to play along with your Byrds recording of the song? This is driving me nuts.
(I have been watching your videos regularly since at least 2014. Great stuff! You play so tastefully. If I could get half as good as you, I'd be happy.)
Hi M... Thank you for your kind words. Wow, you're much more of an aficionado than I am, that's for sure. In truth, I learned this song by watching McGuinn's dvd "The 12-String Guitar of Roger McGuinn." You can see part of it here:
th-cam.com/video/ZAejkh4rTjs/w-d-xo.html
@@modfather1965 : Thanks for the McGuinn lesson link. For my part, since I don't play in a band, my way to play in an ensemble is to play along with an MP3 player plugged into my guitar amp. Hence my question about tuning. I have solved The Beatles' "Ticket to Ride" problem. The records were slowed down to A=431 Hz. And Oasis' "Don't Look Back in Anger" is sharp at around A=450 Hz. There are other songs that are off. I'm going to use my digital tuner to figure out "Turn! Turn! Turn!". Keep the excellent video lessons/performances coming! Merry Christmas from Winnipeg, Canada.
@@mbuchart2927 That's all fascinating information... BTW, you have fabulous taste in the music you're exploring. ;-)
@@modfather1965 : Thank you for the compliment-my taste in music is why I follow modfather1965! By the way, I've figured out the pitch on The Byrds' recording. It is tuned to A=450 Hz. If you tune to that pitch, then you can play along to the record. All the best from Winnipeg, Canada.
Sorry to say I haven't tried to play along with the albums. I learned most of what I know from McGuinn's DVD, "The 12-String Guitar of Roger McGuinn." Thanks much for your encouragement. ;-)
Have you tuned down a half steP? Hmmm I know its done on 12s a lot to ease up tension on the neck, but you should tell us. Im sirtting here thinking Im tone deaf/ But the only way I get what you have is by tuning E to Eb an so forth
Ah yes... Sorry man. I did do that for a while, but now I just tune as per usual.
did that guy put those Lennon style 'oven' knobs on it too? looks great..
Thanks.
Please excuse my silly question that is coming up. I want to buy this guitar as a learning instrument. All I know now are some chords on a six string. I will begin a beginners lesson and go back to basics , but I want an electric and I want this guitar to be the only in I have...........what do you think ? I just love this sound and I think I would play mine with a mission to be good with a guitar that I truly desire...thank you for reading my question....Cheers !
I think your plan for a Rickenbacker 12 sounds just like mine was... I didn't (and still don't) really know how to play the guitar, let alone a 12 string, but I wanted one badly to provide me additional incentive to learn. Let me tell you... A Rickenbacker 12 string is a fine, fine thing, but it needs to be "set up" well in order to be truly enjoyable. I would recommend getting either a 660/12 model or a 1993 Plus (both wide neck models). If you don't get one of those, but a standard Rickenbacker 12 (e.g., the 330/12 or 360/12), send it to Mark Arnquist of Seattle and have him do his $500 12-point modification to it. He turns a standard Rickenbacker 12 into a MUCH more playable instrument. Finally, you'll want a compressor pedal to get the most out of your Rickenbacker 12. I highly recommend the Boss ME-50 multi-effects pedal to make your 12 really sing. It has a fabulous compressor, along with about 50 other effects, built right into one pedal which is easy to use. You can nab one of those on Ebay for about $150 these days. Best of luck!!!
Thanks mate. I am in the UK ..maybe a trip in in order.....
I've been coming over to your side of the pond last two summers going now... I'll be back this time in April.;-)
All very well if you live in the western US. Arnquist isn't much help to those of us living over the other side of the pond though and at $500 for the mod, I'd pass on that, but then I'd probably do the work myself anyway. Mind you, got to get a Riki first... lol.
*modfather 965* I always have advocated that people should learn guitar on an acoustic 12 string. That is how I started out. Because of the wide string spacing, or double the amount of strings, it is easy, as beginner, to place your fingers where required for the relevant chord; no missing the strings with one's stiff little fingers... The wide fretboard and usually thicker necks, also stretch the fingers. Once one is accustomed to playing all the main chords on a 12 string, playing a 6 string, especially an electric is easy-peasy.
My first guitar was a chipboard LP copy, that was a bit of a dog, but shortly after, I obtained an Eko 12 Ranger, bought in Naples, Italy. Where my ship, the aircraft carrier - Ark Royal, was visiting at the time and this was my first visit to Italy. I played the Eko more than the LP copy... About 8 months later, with some of the strings (esp the 6th 'G' ) having busted, I converted the Eko to 6 string. Now, I would not advocate converting a 12 to a 6, because the guitar is designed for the tension of 12 strings, however, the Eko was built like the Ark, with a fretboard almost as wide as our flight deck! So it did not cause any issues. The Eko is a great guitar for beginners and with it's bolt-on neck and 'zero fret', is easy to set up really well. The company tend to use particularly heavy lacquer on the body, which does tend to deaden the tonality quite a bit, but I discovered that, by removing (sanding back) the lacquer on the top, makes the instrument far brighter and tonally responsive, for a laminate topped guitar.
This is the 2nd post I've had to make about, perhaps, mentioning that you are tuned a half step low. It's much more helpful if you bring that up at the beginning of your video.
I had a stretch there where I was doing that as per McGuinn's advice. I don't do it anymore. Sorry for your trouble.
Nice video and great playing. I'm reading in a thread from 2007 that Mark Arnquist may be in ill health and one guy is having trouble contacting him. Any info on Mark? What did he do to your guitar exactly? One thing he changed the nut and what else? Thanks.
I'm sorry to hear that about Mark. He's on my FB feed, and I haven't seen anything like that on there. Yes, he did 12 different modifications, I think it was. Mostly bridge, nut, and fret work. Oh yes--some electronics too. Wish I could remember it all. Sold the guitar for a 1993-Plus, just like Mark said I would...
Nice!! Is this the guitar that Ric corrected some of the minor differences between the Harrison original and the v64??
Good question. Not sure what the "C63" stands for, but it's Rickenbacker's latest incarnation of this classic guitar.
modfather1965 PeterPug007 www.rickenbacker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1075
Why are you tuned down?
I did that for a while, as per Roger McGuinn's advice, on "easing the tension on the 12 string neck." I don't do that anymore...
@@modfather1965 I guess you now have it restrung w/ Thomastik Flatwound 10 Gauge Strings.
@@RockStarOscarStern634 Actually, Thomastic Infeld 10's flatwound...
At least that's what he told me.
I have always imagined tuning a 12 string must be a nightmare!
Well, it's twice the process, but actually quite enjoyable, IMO. ;-)
Sounding good man! Would you mind sharing what brand and gauge strings you're using? Are they rounds or flats? Thanks.
I think these were standard Rickenbacker 10's for 12 string. Now I have Thomastic Infeld 10 flats, and I would recommend those.
Hey man, thanks for the reply! I just bought Dano12 and tryin to RIC her up as much as possible..LOL.Enjoyin hangin out on your channel! A RIC through an AC30.....You must be livin right..LOL
That Dano 12 is a cool guitar. I'd have one if not for this Ricky. Thanks for your support.
Shame on you for that guitar with those big radio knobs! Beautiful great tutorial. Thank you.
Thanks for your support, but yeah--I love the TV knobs. Still have the originals, of course... ;-)
What are you using for compression and treble booster?
Thx
On this one, it was a Vox ToneLab and its built in compressor.
Give us a go on your Ric!
Sure, man... She needs someone who's more worthy than I, certainly.
No problem. Hope it was adequate.
Are you at concert pitch or a half step down the way Roger plays it?
1/2 step down, using a jangle box?
Half step down, yes, as per McGuinn's 12 string dvd on playing the Rickenbacker 12 string. No Janglebox though... Vox Tonelab compressor.
great lesson.
see kathys song cover Albert Croak on youtube and beerbelly blues Albert Croak played on 12 string. all the best
Those are probably great covers. I've always wanted to learn Kathy's Song...
ok your tuned down,but is that guitar strung with the octave string second instead of on top?
It's strung like other Ricky 12's, so far as I know--low string first, octave string second.
@@modfather1965 Low String before the Octave String, ok turns out that's how Rickenbacker 12 String Guitars are strung which produces a very special sound. For E Standard Tuning you'll need a set of Ernie Ball 8 Gauge 12 String Electric Guitar Strings cause those are the lightest gauge of Strings for 12 String Electric Guitar available.
I used two separate tuners and none of my string sound like yours. Are you in a different tuning other than E STANDARD?
Here, I'm tuned a half step down all the way across the board. McGuinn would do this to decrease tension on the 12 string neck.
@@modfather1965 Yeah he would also do that to fit his Vocal range if he can't sing high enough on a particular song.
@@RockStarOscarStern634 That makes sense... Especially as one ages, yeah? ;-)
@@modfather1965 Yes cause as the person ages they'll have trouble singing the high notes and switch to Eb Tuning in order to make it easier to sing.
Yes... I'm down a half step. Sorry... ;-(
That is a 330/12. 360/12s are more rounded and only bound on the back.
Rick nomenclature is a bit tricky but this is indeed a 360!!
Back in the early 60s (c63 refers to its similarity to a 1963 360/12), 360/12's looked like 330's.
+Jenni81 I labored under this misconception as well, for a long time, and misdirected MANY, oops! The dead give-away between 330, and 360, (the Most obvious) is the fingerboard inlays. All the 330's "Back in the Day came with "DOT" markers, while the 360's had the more coveted "Trapezoids". Then there were the "Townsend" models that had the Dot inlays, and the "F" hole instead of the Slash, and were designated as 330 F. I don't know why Pete wanted the "F" hole, considering that they were just going to be added to his "SMASH" pile? Such a criminal waste, IMHO! I believe you could also expect the early 330's, (up to '61) to have those HUGE "Stove Top" control knobs as well, very George Jetson, (not Harrison)
Retro, Ha!
+george scarlett PS The "Stove Knobs" are installed on this man's 360, probably by Mr. Arnquist who is one great guy, (on RIC Forum/s), just don't mention Paul Wilczinski, LOL!
not tuned to a440!
"Quickly _and_ rapidly"? What's the difference that supposedly makes using both words significant?
I guess I said that somewhere in the video? I haven't watched it for years... "Redundancy is strange..." --Robin Williams
Of course you did, @@modfather1965, which is why I asked about it, ha.
Robin Williams was pretty cool. It's too bad he died as early as he did!
@@HelloKittyFanMan. Indeed that... I'll have to listen for my use of the words and wonder then why I said that. ;-)
Haha, cool, thanks, @@modfather1965!
What amp are you using and what settings?
On this vid, I was using a small Vox Pathfinder amp (garage sale pickup) and a Vox Tonelab pedal... Settings I couldn't say, as I don't have the Tonelab anymore.
Hello Modfather,
What a great YT moniker. Great gear too! If you're up for it, I can provide you with a breakdown of McGuinn's picking technique and the solo to Turn Turn Turn. I have PDFs that explain what McGuinn is doing and some exercises to help you on your way. Let me know if you are interested and how to arrange contact to forward the information.
Please share with sugar bear!! ;)
PeterPug007
Sure...how can I send the info to you?
Peterpug at gmail.com!? Thanks!
Did you ever get the banjo roll down?
Nope... Haven't focused specifically on that yet.
@@modfather1965 easy for mcguinn but being new to banjo picking, and doing it simultaneously with flat picking takes phenomenal coordination in the middle. I will say TH-cam does empower some of these videos as you can slow the loop speed to 0.25x on the settings to see what is being picked.
lol funny i've been watching your vids for some time but Always thought you would be british... Great vids great tunes and great guitars.
You should post a lesson...;-)
What brand and gauge strings are you using?
Just the standard Rickenbacker stock 12 set here, 10-42.
Thank you so much for your easy to follow "guitar pckers lesson", and not, a graduate music lesson, on the practical application of...... the pentanomic scale. We just wanna play the songs not, Join the a symphony. Thanks again for being Down to Earth. The other guys are trying but I loose my train of thought during the long winded theory explination. "I am waiting to hear where we put our finger next, not why and how this riff evolved. :-)
wow thanks. Been worken on that for 35 years off and on, more off than on. That would have made me a guitar hero back in the Day.....U Rock
Way more than adequate, sir. Very impressive playing and guitar collection. I just featured your channel and 2 videos on my music blog, 'The Backbeat'. Check your messages for the URL, since I can't post that in these comments.
You seem to be tuned down a half step according to my tuner at A440. Ugh
Sorry about that... Like McGuinn did on his 12 string instructional dvd, but I've since gone away from that.
I really need a ric
...everyone does... ;-)
modfather1965 I need one so bad I’m willing to rob a bank for one
@@phasergim2154 Just save a few pounds (or dollars) a week and before long, there it is...
What key are you playing In ??
I have my guitar tuned down a 1/2 step (i.e., E =D#) on all strings. This is what McGuinn did with Ric to keep tension on the neck minimal.
The easiest way to banjo guitar pick is to pick banjo. 😂
For dummies like me , sing the song or some of it as you play.
I have heard the song 75 times on the radio and played guitar for 45 years but still I'm like...where is he in the song as he is playing that?
Could do that now maybe, but not back when I made this...
Wish you were in standard tuning so I could play along.
My bad. Won't ever do it again.
I don't see the use of the position 2 on the G-string, it isn't played, is it. Good lesson, but pity of the half-step downtuning, great for sound, not so useful for tutorials.
I agree... I don't have my Ricky 12 tuned that way anymore.
@@modfather1965 I didn't detune my guitar, but managed to get it in my fingers. Thanks.
Glad to hear it. Boy, I've had a lot of complaints about that...
Is this an electric 12 string with no octave strings for 3rd to 6th?
No, all pairs have octaves...
All pairs? first and 2nd strings also have octaves?
Indeed...
For the 1st two sets of strings the high E and its other string are tuned identically to each other. So, two E strings identical, then two B strings identical. The remaining G through low E string pairs are tuned an octave apart. When you strum from the lowest string to the highest (strumming down),
you will be touching the higher octave string and then its lower sounding counterpart. The higher octave strings are also slightly offset from the lower octave ones -- except on those first 2 courses.
And this make the sound like 3 guitars are playing, correct??
Are you tuned to D?
No--standard tuning.
modfather1965 nope-I'm tuned to standard (e,b,g,d,a,e high to low) and every fret you call out and play is one off of what I have to play to match. You're tuned to Eflat
modfather1965
What brand and gauge strings are you using?
That guitar is a 330-12
It’s a 360/12C63
He does not bar the bm chord.Nice guitar.
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Make a guitar cover, you sound like you got it down. We need a nice cover close to the original on TH-cam. 2:25
I used to do this one well, haven't played it in forever...