@bigvanvader3122 you seem to forget that going down the stretch last season to earn the #1 seed and win the division, Lamar and the Ravens beat the 49ers, Rams, Jaguars, Dolphins, Chargers, Bengals, and the Seahawks. All were playoff contenders at the time Baltimore played them. Some had MVP candidates on their team in Purdy, CMC, & Hill. And the Ravens destroyed them all led by Lamar. Allen loses to the Rams and his stock went up! It's clearly voter fatigue against Lamar. The definitely don't want to cement him in Canton by giving him 3 MVP's before he even hits 30.
The reason Lamar won last MVP year is because of the EYE TEST. He destroyed several great defenses last year in Primetime games. It didn't matter what his stats were as much as other QBs.
@@UprightCaucasoid Last year Josh didn't have the stats either lol. He also had 18 PICKS. Nobody stood out last year. This year, Josh has good stats, but Lamar has insane stats... Dude has 11.3 TD to INT ratio, and is above Josh in every single major category. Stop playin
@@draethereumthat’s the thing these bills fans don’t get. They try to use last year as a reason why Josh should win it this year but they don’t realize that’s now how it work. You have to compete against the specific competition that year. Theirs no arguing if Josh had put up these stats last year he would have been the runaway mvp but he didn’t so this year Lamar’s stats are just so much better that if you his the names it would even be close as to who you would think should win it
As a Lamar fan, this season is less about whether he wins MVP and more about proving he is one of the GOATS. He has had one of the best years ever for a QB so far. If he carries this into a deep playoff run, he will change this false "choking" narrative surrounding him. If he turns it into a Superbowl, it will solidify him as a top 10 QB all time in my eyes.
@@HockeyDudeJames2Look at all the goats who were nowhere near a superbowl at his age , stop it he has progressed every year while dominating the league with less help that’s not normal.
Have you looked at Lamars playoff stats? He's 2-4 with a 6TD and 6Int. He can collect as many regular season awards as he can, but come playoff time, Lamar chokes.
You people are clueless. All these narratives shape people’s careers and legacy’s . To gift Allen an mvp when lamar should have won it single handedly is absolute fraud. Nobody should be in the business of handing someone an mvp simply because the same guy who should be leading the race won the year before.
It’s funny tho because people keep saying what Josh Allen is doing is historic to emphasize how good he’s playing, but then just refer to Lamar playing good or great; when in all reality he’s having the real historic season.
Lamar is on pace to have the best QBR rating in NFL history if he finishes with over 120. You're not even hearing them talk about this. He tied the record this season for most games with a perfect passer rating. He's either tops or 2nd in passing TD's. And he's leading all QB's in rushing yards. That's even with them pulling him in the 4th quarter of blowouts! Like it's insane what my guy is doing but they've wanted any excuse to give it to Allen in a while.
Nick: "I'm tired of Lamar playing great and getting the MVP. I really want Josh to win it, even though the numbers don't support that fact" Essentially, he wants Allen to win a participation trophy version of the MVP
@KyrieKing-e1h Josh Allen is the best player in the entire NFL this season. Have you watched any Bills game at all? The things Josh is doing are just amazing. I was actually dumbstruck by how amazing he was playing against the Lion last night. Lamar Jackson has more passing TD, but the quality of his plays is nowhere near Josh Allen level.
Show me a loss that was Lamar's fault, though. All five, Lamar was the best player on the field and the Ravens were worse than the other team. Missed kicks, blown coverages (hello, Xavier Worthy), and penalties (hello, Vegas) are NOT on Lamar.....
@@mattcannon7334 lol that's just simply not true. The tape is evidence that Henry is responsible for three of their wins and the losses are because he wasn't involved.
@@HockeyDudeJames2did tucker missed 2 fg and an extra point... I'm the same game and they lost by 6. Hamilton dropped the interception against the browns to close it. Tucker missed the fg in the steelers game that cost them, and also against Oakland.
This is what media does for you the reason why Josh didn’t win mvp last wasn’t due to wins he was 1 turnover away from leading the league in turnovers.
That's a very bad take. You can not say head to head means nothing and then compare the same places to facing other teams. That's the talk of trying to find anything favor one player.
@@JWLSportsyou definitely did. You point out only positives for Josh while you kept saying "you Lamar Jacksom fans," as if there isn't stats that speaks for itself. Your stat sheet had Lamar winning in 5 categories to Josh's 2. And lastly, when have you said, you Josh Allen fans?
@@JWLSports dude I don't follow your channel to know what you have done. I am responding to this video. I'll safe you the traouble and refrain from watching more
FairPoint but Buffalo can make the same argument because last year y'all argued statistics don't matter even though Lamar Jackson didn't have the greatest of stats and still won MVP but y'all are now using best statistics as your reasoning why he should win it but in reality stats really never mattered it's kind of like a popularity vote best stats matter but not to an absurd level it's about who has those MVP moments those crazy games who makes those crazy runs or throws in critical moments
The stats don't always paint the entire picture which was the argument from last year. It was mainly to discredit both Dak and Purdy's seasons, not Allen. Lamar had a better statistical year last year with a better TD:INT ratio, passer rating, and more wins all while having the hardest SOS in the league. Allen beat Lamar in one category which was yards by only 3 ypg with rushing + passing. Note: Lamar sat week 17 because they had locked up the 1 seed, hence why he had 300 less yards
How are we forgetting the Ravens defense staff and roster was decimated last year. If the Ravens performed similarly to the Bills defense this season, theyd most likely only have 1 loss. Regardless, I think Josh Allen is #1 in MVP voting and if he loses another game and plays mediocre, Lamar can definitely take it if he goes on a crazy run in the last 3 games. The only thing that pisses me off is the fact that everyone is trying to wrap up the mvp voting like they did with Lamar early in the season and saquon last week. We'll see what happens by week 18
Best comment I’ve seen on in a while. Josh is definitely the favorite right now. The bills will need to loose at least one more game and Lamar will have to win out and break the passer rating record or rush for almost 1000 yards and have 4000 yards passing. Hopefully the unbiased parties will understand that Lamar and this historic offense carried the defense all year.
Lamar fans let’s keep our focus on the bigger picture which is the superbowl…Josh Allen is playing catch up…let him have it…It’s funny how head to head doesn’t matter all of a sudden…Lamar is 3 and 1 against Josh if it was the other way around those people would be using that as one of the biggest talking points…
The Ravens lead the league in penalties, Tucker is a bottom 5 kicker in the NFL, The Ravens Guard play is bottom tier, and their pass defense is sub par. But people only wanna look at stats instead of actually watching how the ravens lose
Lamar is really going to have 4300 yards passing 900 yards rushing 42 passing tds and like 4 ints with a 120 ish rating and still not win mvp because his kicker cost him 2-3 games
Listen, I'm a JA17 homer all day but if Lamar wins again I wouldn't have a problem. He is putting up amazing stats. If anything JA17 should have won last year more than Lamar and vice versa this year.
Appreciate your opinion as a Ravens fan. If Allen wins this year I won’t be upset especially if he wins out. My only issue is there our voters already saying it’s over which isn’t right
JA17 this year would've been a unanimous last year. Problem is, JA17 wasn't consistent enough last year. This year, I'm in the same boat as you. I think Lamar is much better than JA17 this year, but wouldn't be upset if Allen throws up three more 350+, 5/0 TD/int games to end the season, I wouldn't be upset at Allen winning. I do think it's a clear statistical edge to Lamar at this point, though.
Dude I was always rooting for ravens as a bills fan. Until this year. Ravens fans talk a lookout of crap about allen ...I don't get it. I understand it's because Lamar josh and.mahomes are the 3 best..so you want your guy to be number 1. But not at the expense.of the others
qb wins isn’t what gave lamar the mvp. the head to head matchup against the 49ers is what ended the conversation. rn nick is conveniently forgetting about the head to head matchup they had in week 4. lamar’s 3 tds to josh allen’s 0 matters. head to head matchups matter whenever lamar loses but when he wins we find a way to try to make em not 🤷🏾♂️. if we just ask who’s playing better it’s clear as day. lucky for josh allen he gets to play the jets, patriots and dolphins
@@PaulY86-u8t lamar had over 50 rushing yards and a rushing td too but w/e. cool. so what exactly broke josh allen? the worst secondary in the league??
I was wondering the same thing. The defense has been trash for 80% of the season which is in no way Lamar's fault. Not like he's throwing picks on our own 25 yard line or going 3 and out repeatedly.
You’re right it is all narrative driven specifically on who they “want” to win out of eligible players. They tried so hard to gift Allen an mvp last year even though Allen led the league in turnovers. The facts are they could easily use Lamar’s 32nd ranked defense to boost his mvp odds in addition to the qb betrayal index who leans heavily in favor of Lamar meaning Lamar has to out perform his own teams defense, o line, coaching and special teams. It’s not even close. If the ravens end up taking the division like the bills did last season and nobody’s clamoring for him to win mvp despite how poor his team has been it’ll be real transparent to everyone’s who’s been paying attention how fraudulent this all is. Lmfao they all cried that the nfl mvp means nothing last season after Lamar won and now this season they’re begging for it even though somehow this time it’s not being desecrated. Btw how do you win mvp by looking pedestrian and getting benched against the reigning and potential next mvp? Lastly the mvp should go to the qb who’s team beats the chiefs in the regular season from now on if that’s how mvp odds are going to be shifted because the odds didn’t change until that game despite Lamar’s last two losses.
All points that were mentioned are relevant. Recency bias, stats, big wins, signature plays, etc. What isn't being talked about enough is: SOS with the Ravens having one ofnthe most difficult schedules while the Bills have played only 6 teams with winning records (2 losses). Lamar has a 34:3 ratio from which ALL THREE interceptions were dropped passes. Thats insane. Lamar has a chance to break the record for the highest single season passer rating of all time (historic) Hurts gets criticized for all of the tush push TDs padding his stats. Josh Allen has 4 in the last 3 games if I counted correctly. If the Ravens Vs Bills game had happened yesterday the entire conversation would be different (again... recency bias) The entire argument that Lamar shouldn't have won it last year and Allen should have is false. Yes, it was a weak MVP year but Lamar had Allen beat in every category (TD:INT ratio, completion %, passer rating, and wins) with Allen leading only one category by a whopping 3 ypg (rushing + passing yards) Voter's fatigue is a real thing unfortunately. Even though MVP's can define a player's legacy, HOF candidacy, etc they will still vote for the wrong player based on who hasn't gotten one yet like we're in preschool again. All that said... Allen has been incredible and I think he should win it if the Ravens lose to either the Steelers or Texans. I simply don't think the race is over like Orlovsky and Acho have stated. Phew, that was a lot...
Lamar had 1 bad game vs. PIT but all their losses were either defense giving up leads in the finally minutes or Tucker missing multiple kicks in a game. Allen had: a 9-30 passing game 0 TDs 2 Ints passing game N was shut down & pulled in the 4th vs. BAL when their def. was bottom 3 It's so interesting watching the recency bias in 99% of the media trying so hard to forget Allen's multiple really bad gms just to justify giving it to him cuz he's spent so many yrs being runner up I like Allen but this is not it.
I want Lamar to win MVP. I think Lamar deserves to be MVP. But I rather Lamar be Super Bowl MVP instead. Josh Allen can have regular MVP and be one and done in the Playoffs. I’m just sick of this great white hope narrative. First it’s Burrow. Then when they can’t do it for Burrow. They jump on the Josh Allen bandwagon. We all know the real reason why Lamar gets the hate.
@@markreed4074 Burrow blew out Minshew who beat Lamar. I guess because Burrow is leading in passing yards and TD's he's the MVP. I mean he beat Minshew. Gotta give Joe cool the MVP🤣
@@HockeyDudeJames2completely different the ravens let lamar down that game no protection , there was a tipped ball by a receiver that turned into a interception as well the buffalo game we shut allen down and he had protection that whole game we even dropped 2 int against him 🤷♂️ lamar had 3 TD allen had 0
@cheesecurldarl1700 Diggs dropped a pass late and bass missed a kick or he would have beat the chiefs lol. Cry me a river. Lamar had a pick and a fumble.
@ exactly why i said protection issues lmao let’s not act like allen didn’t miss a wide open receiver and throw it into the ground that same game if that don’t happen the diggs drop means nothing 🤣 yall should realize before diggs allen was average at best
Lamar Jackson is 3-0 against both Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, with two of those wins against Burrow coming after Lamar led the Ravens back from double-digit deficits. Yet, somehow, people still tried to put Joe Burrow in the MVP conversation over Lamar Jackson, despite Burrow’s struggles and lack of consistent success. To make matters worse, some even tried to blame the bengals ’ defense for Burrow’s shortcomings, completely ignoring the reality of what’s happening on the field. Let’s stop with the nonsense. If we’re going to have these conversations about MVP candidates, let’s at least speak the truth. The NFL is, first and foremost, a business. Football comes second. The only reason Lamar Jackson won’t win MVP this year, despite being the best quarterback when it matters most, is because the NFL needs another face to rival Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes has been dominating with championships, and the league wants someone like Burrow or Allen to emerge as a marketable challenger. Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson-who is the most recent MVP winner outside of Mahomes and is consistently in the conversation-continues to get overlooked. Joe Burrow and Josh Allen haven’t won a single MVP, and yet the media constantly pushes them as elite in ways that undermine Lamar’s accomplishments. It’s infuriating. If we’re going to analyze stats, narratives, and performances, let’s do it fairly. Yes, the Ravens lost the Raiders game and the Cleveland Browns game, but everyone acknowledges that division games are a different beast. Any team can win on any given Sunday in divisional matchups-just look at the Steelers losing to the Browns earlier this season. But when Lamar steps on the field against the league’s supposed "elite" quarterbacks, he has consistently outperformed them. In games against the best quarterbacks this year, anyone who actually watched those matchups walked away knowing Lamar played better in each one. He’s outperformed his peers when it mattered most, and yet the narrative doesn’t reflect that. Instead, people cherry-pick stats or isolated losses to craft a false narrative. Why not just admit that the NFL doesn’t want to continue awarding MVPs to the same person and that they’re pushing Allen or Burrow because they lack accolades? The bottom line is this: Lamar Jackson deserves more respect. His ability to dominate games, elevate his team, and consistently perform under pressure speaks for itself. The conversation should be about facts, not narratives or agendas. So if we’re going to talk MVP, let’s stop the biased comparisons and acknowledge that Lamar is one of the best in the league, bar none.
Did you say “ underperforming “ when talking about Baltimore’s offense ???? Over looking passing yards, completion %, rushing yards and tds Justin Tucker has underperformed not Lamar …
No. I said the team is underperforming. Which is obvious considering their record and who they lost to. Not once did I say that Lamar is “underperforming”
3:10 the difference being Nick, Josh scored 6 tuds in that loss to the rams, but no one else had a crazy record breaking historic game. Goff did play a great game with good numbers, albeit to a hugely diminished and injured bills secondary, but he had Josh on the other side of the field breaking more records and beating him in the eye test. Josh was doing it throughout the game, the majority of goffs stats came from almost garbage time in the last 18 minutes of the game, going for 2 onsides in desperation mode. Josh was in full control of the game, right across from Goff, that's the difference.
I could see a Lamar and Josh co-MVP situation. Lamar numbers are too undeniable to be ignored by voters I could see them sharing the MVP like Manning and McNair
Why are people still denying that Lamar won a fraudulent MVP last year? He had a very very average season other than one amazing game against San Francisco
your crazy bro, LJ is clear MVP, 5 perfect QB ratings ina season. LJ having his best season ever, all the criticism he received just to come this season and Air It Out to show he can be a pocket passer. Lamar Elevates His Team every single Sunday, JA is in a non competitive division this season, look at who the QBs are in our division and who he competes against twice.
Ravens played every playoff team in the AFC by the time the season ends. Lamar playing better than Allen and outplayed him in a H2H. Not sure why Allen is your guy. Lamar can still win this if they run the table.
I just don’t like the narrative that Josh Allen is doing more with less when Lamar’s been carrying mediocre receivers his whole career🥱🤷🏾♂️ before Zay name one receiver that’s been better then Diggs or Gabe Davis, heck even Dawson Knox or Kincaid ? Thats why he won 2 MVP’s bc he makes players around him look better. He really just got some real help with Derrick Henry, which in my opinion Lamar makes it easier for him.
I hate the fact that because Lamar has won 2 MVPs some people say…well it’s voter fatigue so let’s give someone else a shot. Bullshit everyone gets a trophy mentality. It’s the NFL and its pundits are great at selling narratives. And no question Lamar has benefited in his 2 MVPs seasons. The difference is Lamar actually put the “most valuable” in MVP by his play in the regular season which is what the award is about. You got the most stats…there’s an award for that and it’s called Offensive Player of the Year. Josh Allen is not the most valuable player in football. I’m sorry he is not. And it’s not just about stats. He cannot do what Lamar can do. He cannot will his team to wins consistently when they should not win. He showed his true colors against the Ravens this year when they got blown out and he played terrible but everyone gives him a pass on that one. Face it…..they want him to win because they hype him as one of the best but since he doesn’t have a Super Bowl they need to legitimize their stance by at least force feeding him a MVP. They can’t give it to Burrow because his team is trash so Josh will do. But the excuse for Burrow is he beat the Chiefs ONCE in the playoffs and lost in the Superbowl. WOW. Any excuse to make these 2 QBs seem better than Lamar and bring up Lamar’s playoff record when neither one have won a Superbowl.
Noone should be shocked that Nick doesn't want the man who insulted him to overtake Mahomes in MVPs. This show is carefully scripted, and Lamar is to Nick what LeBron was to Skip Bayless. Keep watching....Nick and Skip are TV father and son.😅
Sooooo……this year, it’s ok for Josh to win because of the teams they’ve beaten….but it’s an issue when Lamar beat the best teams last year? WTH? Not to mention that when the Bills played Jax the narrative was that Buffalo was unbeatable and didn’t need Diggs. After playing Baltimore, all of sudden Joan needs help! They have been trying to *GIVE* Josh the mvp ever since he was on the Madden cover.
To all the Jackson fans they both have 37 tds and allen sat in the 4thq for 3 games cuz they were up big and last year allen had 44tds to Jackson 29tds and it wasn't bout stats now it is
I personally think Saquan deserves the mvp he is the best player in football. but since the voters are biased towards qbs josh allen should get it over lamar. Their stats are pretty much equal while josh allen has a better record with a team that isn't nearly as talented.
I think if the stats are close for the mvp running, head to head matchups matter. Lamar has better stats across the board. Yes Lamar has had maybe 2 bad games but so has josh. 9/31 anyone?? Lamar also has the worst defense this year and hate to say it Justin Tucker lost the ravens most of their games
Lamar beat The Bills when…They were hyping Josh Allen and the Bills earlier this season as the best team in the NFL. Josh threw for 0 TDs vs a Horrible Ravens Pass Defense. But they’ll over look that game and say, but he beat The Chiefs. No what happened when he went up against the reigning MVP? 😏😏😏😒
9:51 Do more with less !! Wow The constant disrespect, Patrick mahomes won a SB on a bad ankle, WITH juju as his top WR, he's clearly 1 of the best post season performers, down 24-0 in a playoff game then win it 51-31 Stop josh or Lamar could never
You tripping Lamar has been doing that his whole career until last year when they got him Zay & A Old washed Odell, Nelson “I ain’t catching nun” Agehlor, and Bateman was hurt mostly last year. But I will say Patrick has dealt with that the last 2 seasons with mediocre receivers. They just finally doing what Lamar’s been doing🤷🏾♂️
The head to head has to be looked at and taken into consideration especially when it’s a blow out !!! Minshew and Winston didn’t blow out Jackson. So that needs to be taken into consideration
Head to head matters bro and moments is moments. Last year you guys was saying Allen have better stat than lj but what ever to push Allen. Lamar has played with less way longer than Allen and stop using Henry as if Bmore run game was always great before Henry got there. If Allen beat Lamar head to head you guys would have been using that to support Allen. Keep the mvp but don't put down one to raise another.
No…Lamar is better than Josh Allen. Period! We don’t have to think ponder or make up anything…he just is. They’ve been wanting Josh Allen to win MVP for a while now. So now is his chance…since he’s no longer a walking turnover. 😏😏😏😒
Julian, While I typically respect your takes, I think you've lost perspective on this one - and that's OK. It happens to everyone now and then. Right now, you're drinking the juice that's being sold: that Josh Allen is somehow superior to Lamar Jackson. But in no way has Josh Allen demonstrated this - not in this league, and certainly not this year when compared directly to Lamar Jackson. Here's the real question: What truly determines the value of a player? Isn't it what their team would look like without them? With that in mind, let me ask you: What would the Buffalo Bills' record be if they faced the same challenges Lamar Jackson and the Ravens have this year? The worst passing defense in the NFL for most of the season The worst kicker in the league for much of the season The most penalty yards lost of any team in the NFL I'll answer for you: Josh Allen's record would be worse than the Ravens' current record. And that's the point. Lamar Jackson hasn't just endured these challenges; he's overcome them. He's done it with his "superpowers" as the most valuable player in the league, and not just at a high level - but at a historic level. Without Lamar Jackson's HISTORIC level of play from the QB position - The Ravens worst defense, worst kicking, most penalized TEAM performance would have them somewhere alongside or behind the likes of the lowly Jets. Lamar has elevated his team past every one of these obstacles. He's carried them through bad defense, kicking woes, and penalties - and still achieved success that only comes with an MVP-caliber performance. If you put down the Josh Allen MVP narrative for a moment and look objectively at the facts, you'll see the undeniable truth: The most valuable player in the NFL this year is Lamar Jackson. Keep up the great work, I enjoy your show... we should collab sometime soon. Respectfully, Rob Love #1Flock
I’d like to see if Richard Sherman does he was the only vote that went against Lamar. Sherman said the mvp was a stats and wins for quarter back. He voted for maccafery.. supposedly but I got all his receipts so if he goes and says Allen should win it. Sorry according to what he said last year Lamar shouldn’t have won it and someone else should have. Thoughts
You can do that for his losses as well. Lamar would be 11-3 at the least if his kicker didn't leave 22 points on the field. You cant use what ifs in this convo
@@ogjujubeanif we're going to nitpick, if likely's toe wasn't out of bounds, if tucker doesn't miss 3-4 kicks vs the eagles, if Kyle Hamilton don't drop that gift wrapped into to seal the win against the browns, if the defense don't blow a 10 point lead against the raiders, or tucker miss a fg against the steelers the ravens would be 14-0 and the 1 seed. If we're going ro bring up hypotheticals, tell it from both sides not just one. The same way they could have lost both games to the bengals, they also could have beaten the steelers, browns, eagles, chiefs and raiders. All 5 of the ravens losses came down to self inflicted mistakes. Bad defense, Penalties and missed FGs but who cares right?
@@Rod904 Exactly, I think Josh is currently MVP because of the record and the level of play is similar imo (I think Lamar is ahead if we're just talking about individual play) but if they lose just 1 game and the Ravens win out and take the division, I don't see how Lamar doesn't get the MVP.
@JWLSports let me ask you this ? RAVENS end up with the 3rd seed. Finishing 12-5 with the stats? still Josh? Now I agree Josh should win just saying Lamar wins the NORTH and finish as the 3rd seed.
@Julian w. Lucas Sports Lamar is doing it this season with one of the worst ranked defenses in the league, where they are giving up about 100yds/game in penalties, and they have a stronger strength of schedule than everyone else in the playoff hunt. He will also have beaten more playoff teams than Josh if they win out. So please, miss me on this narrative discussion for MVP. They have voter fatigue for Lamar. They want to discredit his previous MVP's. They said he didnt have the stats last year. This year he is leading all QB's in most of the QB passing categories and you're telling me Allen is having a better MVP year. Sorry. Allen played a mostly powderpuff schedule. He had legit games against the Chiefs, Lions, and Rams (in a loss). What QB do you hear improved his stock in a loss? Thats how bad they want to give it to Allen.
Be realistic head to head matchups mean something against good teams Lamar blew out Josh Allen and has better numbers that's why I can't give Josh Allen the edge if Josh Allen won that game everybody would throw that in ravens faces Lamar has better stats an beat and blew out the man who leading him don't talk about how good Josh playing talk to me about narrative not his play
Josh Allen is a Lock and everybody know it but they have to put some names around it and by the way Mahomes is not even near to top 10 votes with the best record in the NFL, wow Nick Wrong I am suprise.
Nick wright reallllllly can't handle what allen is doing. He is doing mental gymnastics every week. It's crazy. But it's how I know the bills are a legit threat. He is scared. And it's pbvious
I rock with you and your channel but you are off base on this. Goff and the Lions where in the exact same scenario that Allen and the Bills where in. Both were down 17 in the third quarter. Both got it to within one score with less than a minute left. Both failed to recover onside kick with less than a minute left with 2 timeouts, I get it Josh Allen is your favorite QB, but we can’t just create narratives. Great content. Love the channel.
I appreciate it! But they really weren’t. Not even lions fans really felt like Goff was leading a comeback. Not even Goff himself which is why he said it was a lopsided game. Allen was leading a comeback. Goff was just cleaning up the end of the game. Not to mention what Allen had to do with his legs.
@@JWLSportscap I’m from Detroit and a lions fan and I definitely thought we was making a comeback stop trying to move the goal post and we definitely said watching they find a way to discredit Goff but last week they was ds Allen and his stats with a loss 😂😂
@@andrewhagen9343 lmao Allen was chasing pts all game last week vs the rams I’m sick of u people thinking someone supposed to just give up because they down some TDs loons could of still won that game if they got that offside kick
Justin tucker cost Lamar the mvp straight up
Too bad he didn't cost him it last season. He never deserved it then either.
Who did? Don't say Allen with his 20+ turnovers
@@bigvanvader3122 lol josh ain't with all them turnovers and losing games too
@bigvanvader3122 you seem to forget that going down the stretch last season to earn the #1 seed and win the division, Lamar and the Ravens beat the 49ers, Rams, Jaguars, Dolphins, Chargers, Bengals, and the Seahawks. All were playoff contenders at the time Baltimore played them. Some had MVP candidates on their team in Purdy, CMC, & Hill. And the Ravens destroyed them all led by Lamar. Allen loses to the Rams and his stock went up! It's clearly voter fatigue against Lamar. The definitely don't want to cement him in Canton by giving him 3 MVP's before he even hits 30.
Straight up 💯, still my guy but this is facts
The reason Lamar won last MVP year is because of the EYE TEST. He destroyed several great defenses last year in Primetime games. It didn't matter what his stats were as much as other QBs.
Use your eyes and watch Josh this year. The eye test gives it to Josh by a wide margin.
@@UprightCaucasoid Last year Josh didn't have the stats either lol. He also had 18 PICKS. Nobody stood out last year. This year, Josh has good stats, but Lamar has insane stats... Dude has 11.3 TD to INT ratio, and is above Josh in every single major category. Stop playin
@@UprightCaucasoidJosh is literally the 3rd best qb playing rn. How does the “eye test” makes since.
@@draethereumthat’s the thing these bills fans don’t get. They try to use last year as a reason why Josh should win it this year but they don’t realize that’s now how it work. You have to compete against the specific competition that year. Theirs no arguing if Josh had put up these stats last year he would have been the runaway mvp but he didn’t so this year Lamar’s stats are just so much better that if you his the names it would even be close as to who you would think should win it
@@UprightCaucasoid Please remind us how many points Allen scored against the historically bad Ravens defence this year?
As a Lamar fan, this season is less about whether he wins MVP and more about proving he is one of the GOATS. He has had one of the best years ever for a QB so far. If he carries this into a deep playoff run, he will change this false "choking" narrative surrounding him. If he turns it into a Superbowl, it will solidify him as a top 10 QB all time in my eyes.
What false narrative. Look at his playoff stats.
@@HockeyDudeJames2Look at all the goats who were nowhere near a superbowl at his age , stop it he has progressed every year while dominating the league with less help that’s not normal.
Have you looked at Lamars playoff stats? He's 2-4 with a 6TD and 6Int. He can collect as many regular season awards as he can, but come playoff time, Lamar chokes.
@KyrieKing-e1h Brady won multiple SBs with less. Mahomes won back to back with less and his wrs had the most drops. Stop bro.
*top 5
Guys chill. Lamar aint worried about the mvp. Hes 2x mvp lets not forget! Hes after the lombardi trophy. Allen can have the mvp!
You people are clueless. All these narratives shape people’s careers and legacy’s . To gift Allen an mvp when lamar should have won it single handedly is absolute fraud. Nobody should be in the business of handing someone an mvp simply because the same guy who should be leading the race won the year before.
It’s funny tho because people keep saying what Josh Allen is doing is historic to emphasize how good he’s playing, but then just refer to Lamar playing good or great; when in all reality he’s having the real historic season.
Lamar is on pace to have the best QBR rating in NFL history if he finishes with over 120. You're not even hearing them talk about this. He tied the record this season for most games with a perfect passer rating. He's either tops or 2nd in passing TD's. And he's leading all QB's in rushing yards. That's even with them pulling him in the 4th quarter of blowouts! Like it's insane what my guy is doing but they've wanted any excuse to give it to Allen in a while.
Nick: "I'm tired of Lamar playing great and getting the MVP. I really want Josh to win it, even though the numbers don't support that fact"
Essentially, he wants Allen to win a participation trophy version of the MVP
Like how Lamar won it last year by default?
@@mikep3813lamar dominated top teams, josh has 2 wins like that this year. His divison is weak
@frandavis1990 wait, what top teams has Lamar dominated this year?
@@mikep3813umm the bills 😂
@@Upt500 Henry dominated that game
Lamar is not concerned about winning the MVP. Why is the media keep talking about it? Allen is the favorite and he will win it.
Nah 4k 1K is with the a chance best passer rating off all time is unprecedented fuck a narrative give it to the best player.
@KyrieKing-e1h Josh Allen is the best player in the entire NFL this season. Have you watched any Bills game at all? The things Josh is doing are just amazing. I was actually dumbstruck by how amazing he was playing against the Lion last night. Lamar Jackson has more passing TD, but the quality of his plays is nowhere near Josh Allen level.
I urge you to go watch lamar vs the Bengals. Looks no different than what allen did against the lions and rams
Your kidding Lamar stuffs arms, makes acrobatic plays, and throws dimes vs elite defenses all season stop being a prisoner in the moment
Show me a loss that was Lamar's fault, though. All five, Lamar was the best player on the field and the Ravens were worse than the other team. Missed kicks, blown coverages (hello, Xavier Worthy), and penalties (hello, Vegas) are NOT on Lamar.....
@@mattcannon7334 lol that's just simply not true. The tape is evidence that Henry is responsible for three of their wins and the losses are because he wasn't involved.
@@HockeyDudeJames2did tucker missed 2 fg and an extra point... I'm the same game and they lost by 6. Hamilton dropped the interception against the browns to close it. Tucker missed the fg in the steelers game that cost them, and also against Oakland.
Head to head matchups don’t mean much… When Lamar wins. When he loses, it means EVERYTHING.
Never for me. I’m not out here saying Russ out dueled Lamar. Or Lamar out dueled Burrow.
That's exactly what he just said. LOL I stopped watching the video after that
This is what media does for you the reason why Josh didn’t win mvp last wasn’t due to wins he was 1 turnover away from leading the league in turnovers.
That's a very bad take. You can not say head to head means nothing and then compare the same places to facing other teams. That's the talk of trying to find anything favor one player.
No one is favoring anyone
@@JWLSportsyou definitely did. You point out only positives for Josh while you kept saying "you Lamar Jacksom fans," as if there isn't stats that speaks for itself. Your stat sheet had Lamar winning in 5 categories to Josh's 2. And lastly, when have you said, you Josh Allen fans?
Dude, I have heaped nothing but endless praise for Lamar and have defended him throughout this entire season. Give it a rest.
@@JWLSports dude I don't follow your channel to know what you have done. I am responding to this video. I'll safe you the traouble and refrain from watching more
If you don’t watch my videos maybe refrain from saying I’m favoring someone. You know, just a thought. 🤷♂️
Nick Wright is piece of work
Man 34 tds 3 int is impressive
Absolutely !
@@marlynsal Burrow has 36
@@HockeyDudeJames2with WAY MORE INTERCEPTIONS and fumbles. Not nearly as impressive. And Lamar has more total tds.
34 TDs 3ints and this is the conversation 🤣🤣🤣
I mean when you have five loses and two include the browns and raiders. And a loss to the division leader.Yes this is the conversation.
@HockeyDudeJames2 I agree. I'm a ravens fan that understands recency bias and they have an issue giving him a third MVP before he even has a SB chip
FairPoint but Buffalo can make the same argument because last year y'all argued statistics don't matter even though Lamar Jackson didn't have the greatest of stats and still won MVP but y'all are now using best statistics as your reasoning why he should win it but in reality stats really never mattered it's kind of like a popularity vote best stats matter but not to an absurd level it's about who has those MVP moments those crazy games who makes those crazy runs or throws in critical moments
The stats don't always paint the entire picture which was the argument from last year. It was mainly to discredit both Dak and Purdy's seasons, not Allen. Lamar had a better statistical year last year with a better TD:INT ratio, passer rating, and more wins all while having the hardest SOS in the league. Allen beat Lamar in one category which was yards by only 3 ypg with rushing + passing.
Note: Lamar sat week 17 because they had locked up the 1 seed, hence why he had 300 less yards
@@armanibrown5446 the Bills barely made it to the playoffs last season, by the Ravens helping them get in.😂😂😂😂
How are we forgetting the Ravens defense staff and roster was decimated last year. If the Ravens performed similarly to the Bills defense this season, theyd most likely only have 1 loss. Regardless, I think Josh Allen is #1 in MVP voting and if he loses another game and plays mediocre, Lamar can definitely take it if he goes on a crazy run in the last 3 games. The only thing that pisses me off is the fact that everyone is trying to wrap up the mvp voting like they did with Lamar early in the season and saquon last week. We'll see what happens by week 18
Best comment I’ve seen on in a while. Josh is definitely the favorite right now. The bills will need to loose at least one more game and Lamar will have to win out and break the passer rating record or rush for almost 1000 yards and have 4000 yards passing. Hopefully the unbiased parties will understand that Lamar and this historic offense carried the defense all year.
Lamar fans let’s keep our focus on the bigger picture which is the superbowl…Josh Allen is playing catch up…let him have it…It’s funny how head to head doesn’t matter all of a sudden…Lamar is 3 and 1 against Josh if it was the other way around those people would be using that as one of the biggest talking points…
Head to head doesn't matter unless it benefits the player that is being propped up by the media
Its all about who can beat the Chiefs and Pat and unfortunately for Lamar he cant
@@marcosalexandre4044 You’re definitely right about that…and as a Lamar fan he has yet to beat him and it’s no way around that….
So we don't get shit for beating the team that beat Kansas city
@Willymilly92 guess you missed the Ravens beating KC in 2021 when the Ravens had 21 players on IR....😂😂😂
NICK WRONG TALKING CRAZY AGAIN!!!!
LAMAR JACKSON YESTERDAY PLAYED NEW YORK GIANTS
5 TD'S
MORE TD'S THAN INCOMPLETIONS
295 YARDS
67 RUSHING YARDS
The Ravens lead the league in penalties, Tucker is a bottom 5 kicker in the NFL, The Ravens Guard play is bottom tier, and their pass defense is sub par. But people only wanna look at stats instead of actually watching how the ravens lose
This!!!
Lamar beat Josh in head to head this year!!
Lamar is really going to have 4300 yards passing 900 yards rushing 42 passing tds and like 4 ints with a 120 ish rating and still not win mvp because his kicker cost him 2-3 games
lol it’s funny how qb wins are a thing but strength of schedule don’t mean nothing. Double standards are crazy🤦🏿♂️
Especially last year when josh had a cake walk and jackson had a gauntlet
Name a bigger Lamar hater than Nick Wright.
Listen, I'm a JA17 homer all day but if Lamar wins again I wouldn't have a problem. He is putting up amazing stats. If anything JA17 should have won last year more than Lamar and vice versa this year.
As a Ravens die hard who respects the heck out of Josh Allen . I appreciate you not disrespecting Lamar just to prop up Josh . Thank you very much.
Appreciate your opinion as a Ravens fan. If Allen wins this year I won’t be upset especially if he wins out. My only issue is there our voters already saying it’s over which isn’t right
JA17 this year would've been a unanimous last year. Problem is, JA17 wasn't consistent enough last year.
This year, I'm in the same boat as you. I think Lamar is much better than JA17 this year, but wouldn't be upset if Allen throws up three more 350+, 5/0 TD/int games to end the season, I wouldn't be upset at Allen winning.
I do think it's a clear statistical edge to Lamar at this point, though.
Dude I was always rooting for ravens as a bills fan. Until this year.
Ravens fans talk a lookout of crap about allen ...I don't get it. I understand it's because Lamar josh and.mahomes are the 3 best..so you want your guy to be number 1.
But not at the expense.of the others
@@s.joynerii7312you beat the lions and chiefs it's over. Lamar lost to The browns and Ravens. It's over.
What about this narrative? Lamar and Josh played and Josh looked like hot garbage
They benched him for trubisky 😂
qb wins isn’t what gave lamar the mvp. the head to head matchup against the 49ers is what ended the conversation. rn nick is conveniently forgetting about the head to head matchup they had in week 4. lamar’s 3 tds to josh allen’s 0 matters. head to head matchups matter whenever lamar loses but when he wins we find a way to try to make em not 🤷🏾♂️. if we just ask who’s playing better it’s clear as day. lucky for josh allen he gets to play the jets, patriots and dolphins
Derrick Henry completely broke the Bills D and made Lamars job very very easy in that game
@@PaulY86-u8t lamar had over 50 rushing yards and a rushing td too but w/e. cool. so what exactly broke josh allen? the worst secondary in the league??
The Ravens lost all their defensive staff and three O linemen. How are they underperforming?
I was wondering the same thing. The defense has been trash for 80% of the season which is in no way Lamar's fault. Not like he's throwing picks on our own 25 yard line or going 3 and out repeatedly.
Last year was the weakest MVP year in recent memory
Not a knock on lamar but the rest of the league
@@marcellusb5942na mfs had they chance but just blew it lol. Lamar game against the Niners and the blow against the dolphins made him mvp
@@ronaldfarrington7146rams game too
You’re right it is all narrative driven specifically on who they “want” to win out of eligible players. They tried so hard to gift Allen an mvp last year even though Allen led the league in turnovers. The facts are they could easily use Lamar’s 32nd ranked defense to boost his mvp odds in addition to the qb betrayal index who leans heavily in favor of Lamar meaning Lamar has to out perform his own teams defense, o line, coaching and special teams. It’s not even close. If the ravens end up taking the division like the bills did last season and nobody’s clamoring for him to win mvp despite how poor his team has been it’ll be real transparent to everyone’s who’s been paying attention how fraudulent this all is. Lmfao they all cried that the nfl mvp means nothing last season after Lamar won and now this season they’re begging for it even though somehow this time it’s not being desecrated. Btw how do you win mvp by looking pedestrian and getting benched against the reigning and potential next mvp? Lastly the mvp should go to the qb who’s team beats the chiefs in the regular season from now on if that’s how mvp odds are going to be shifted because the odds didn’t change until that game despite Lamar’s last two losses.
All points that were mentioned are relevant.
Recency bias, stats, big wins, signature plays, etc.
What isn't being talked about enough is:
SOS with the Ravens having one ofnthe most difficult schedules while the Bills have played only 6 teams with winning records (2 losses).
Lamar has a 34:3 ratio from which ALL THREE interceptions were dropped passes. Thats insane.
Lamar has a chance to break the record for the highest single season passer rating of all time (historic)
Hurts gets criticized for all of the tush push TDs padding his stats. Josh Allen has 4 in the last 3 games if I counted correctly.
If the Ravens Vs Bills game had happened yesterday the entire conversation would be different (again... recency bias)
The entire argument that Lamar shouldn't have won it last year and Allen should have is false. Yes, it was a weak MVP year but Lamar had Allen beat in every category (TD:INT ratio, completion %, passer rating, and wins) with Allen leading only one category by a whopping 3 ypg (rushing + passing yards)
Voter's fatigue is a real thing unfortunately. Even though MVP's can define a player's legacy, HOF candidacy, etc they will still vote for the wrong player based on who hasn't gotten one yet like we're in preschool again.
All that said... Allen has been incredible and I think he should win it if the Ravens lose to either the Steelers or Texans. I simply don't think the race is over like Orlovsky and Acho have stated.
Phew, that was a lot...
THE MEDIA WANTS & PUSHING NARRATIVE OF JOSH ALLEN WINNING MVP WHICH IS COOL!!!!
LAMAR JACKSON IS A 2X MVP,,,BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!!
Lamar had 1 bad game vs. PIT but all their losses were either defense giving up leads in the finally minutes or Tucker missing multiple kicks in a game.
Allen had:
a 9-30 passing game
0 TDs 2 Ints passing game
N was shut down & pulled in the 4th vs. BAL when their def. was bottom 3
It's so interesting watching the recency bias in 99% of the media trying so hard to forget Allen's multiple really bad gms just to justify giving it to him cuz he's spent so many yrs being runner up
I like Allen but this is not it.
Did you see the 9/30 game? Bills couldn't scheme a receiver open and every Allen throw had to be to a contest
Nick can’t even just say “no” he has to knock his 2nd MVP from last year .. guy is unreal
I want Lamar to win MVP. I think Lamar deserves to be MVP. But I rather Lamar be Super Bowl MVP instead. Josh Allen can have regular MVP and be one and done in the Playoffs. I’m just sick of this great white hope narrative. First it’s Burrow. Then when they can’t do it for Burrow. They jump on the Josh Allen bandwagon. We all know the real reason why Lamar gets the hate.
They are staying away from the Allen vs Lamar match up. 35-10 The media is doing a great job in moving the goal post....Masterful job!
Lamar is having the better year while Allen has beat KC and Det. What makes Ravens fans laugh is the unanimous mvp talk for Allen
Lamar blew josh out head to head. So we gon dismiss that
@@markreed4074 Burrow blew out Minshew who beat Lamar. I guess because Burrow is leading in passing yards and TD's he's the MVP. I mean he beat Minshew. Gotta give Joe cool the MVP🤣
@@HockeyDudeJames2completely different the ravens let lamar down that game no protection , there was a tipped ball by a receiver that turned into a interception as well the buffalo game we shut allen down and he had protection that whole game we even dropped 2 int against him 🤷♂️ lamar had 3 TD allen had 0
@cheesecurldarl1700 Diggs dropped a pass late and bass missed a kick or he would have beat the chiefs lol. Cry me a river. Lamar had a pick and a fumble.
@ exactly why i said protection issues lmao let’s not act like allen didn’t miss a wide open receiver and throw it into the ground that same game if that don’t happen the diggs drop means nothing 🤣 yall should realize before diggs allen was average at best
Lamar Jackson is 3-0 against both Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, with two of those wins against Burrow coming after Lamar led the Ravens back from double-digit deficits. Yet, somehow, people still tried to put Joe Burrow in the MVP conversation over Lamar Jackson, despite Burrow’s struggles and lack of consistent success. To make matters worse, some even tried to blame the bengals ’ defense for Burrow’s shortcomings, completely ignoring the reality of what’s happening on the field.
Let’s stop with the nonsense. If we’re going to have these conversations about MVP candidates, let’s at least speak the truth. The NFL is, first and foremost, a business. Football comes second. The only reason Lamar Jackson won’t win MVP this year, despite being the best quarterback when it matters most, is because the NFL needs another face to rival Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes has been dominating with championships, and the league wants someone like Burrow or Allen to emerge as a marketable challenger. Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson-who is the most recent MVP winner outside of Mahomes and is consistently in the conversation-continues to get overlooked.
Joe Burrow and Josh Allen haven’t won a single MVP, and yet the media constantly pushes them as elite in ways that undermine Lamar’s accomplishments. It’s infuriating. If we’re going to analyze stats, narratives, and performances, let’s do it fairly. Yes, the Ravens lost the Raiders game and the Cleveland Browns game, but everyone acknowledges that division games are a different beast. Any team can win on any given Sunday in divisional matchups-just look at the Steelers losing to the Browns earlier this season. But when Lamar steps on the field against the league’s supposed "elite" quarterbacks, he has consistently outperformed them.
In games against the best quarterbacks this year, anyone who actually watched those matchups walked away knowing Lamar played better in each one. He’s outperformed his peers when it mattered most, and yet the narrative doesn’t reflect that. Instead, people cherry-pick stats or isolated losses to craft a false narrative. Why not just admit that the NFL doesn’t want to continue awarding MVPs to the same person and that they’re pushing Allen or Burrow because they lack accolades?
The bottom line is this: Lamar Jackson deserves more respect. His ability to dominate games, elevate his team, and consistently perform under pressure speaks for itself. The conversation should be about facts, not narratives or agendas. So if we’re going to talk MVP, let’s stop the biased comparisons and acknowledge that Lamar is one of the best in the league, bar none.
Did you say “ underperforming “ when talking about Baltimore’s offense ????
Over looking passing yards, completion %, rushing yards and tds
Justin Tucker has underperformed not Lamar …
No. I said the team is underperforming. Which is obvious considering their record and who they lost to. Not once did I say that Lamar is “underperforming”
3:10 the difference being Nick, Josh scored 6 tuds in that loss to the rams, but no one else had a crazy record breaking historic game. Goff did play a great game with good numbers, albeit to a hugely diminished and injured bills secondary, but he had Josh on the other side of the field breaking more records and beating him in the eye test. Josh was doing it throughout the game, the majority of goffs stats came from almost garbage time in the last 18 minutes of the game, going for 2 onsides in desperation mode. Josh was in full control of the game, right across from Goff, that's the difference.
Isn't Detroit's defense diminished and injured, though?
@@mattcannon7334just like buffalo's. Get over it, already building the narrative for the inevitable failure in Detroit.
How can you brag about 3 tush push TDs when everyone knocks Hurts for it?
What's funny is they are literally the same guy ... Josh is the white version of Lamar 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah Josh is a more athletic Big Ben
I could see a Lamar and Josh co-MVP situation. Lamar numbers are too undeniable to be ignored by voters I could see them sharing the MVP like Manning and McNair
Why are people still denying that Lamar won a fraudulent MVP last year? He had a very very average season other than one amazing game against San Francisco
your crazy bro, LJ is clear MVP, 5 perfect QB ratings ina season. LJ having his best season ever, all the criticism he received just to come this season and Air It Out to show he can be a pocket passer. Lamar Elevates His Team every single Sunday, JA is in a non competitive division this season, look at who the QBs are in our division and who he competes against twice.
Ravens played every playoff team in the AFC by the time the season ends. Lamar playing better than Allen and outplayed him in a H2H. Not sure why Allen is your guy. Lamar can still win this if they run the table.
Stop making the stats argument for Lamar when he won last year with unspectacular stats. Can't just give it to Lamar every year.
I just don’t like the narrative that Josh Allen is doing more with less when Lamar’s been carrying mediocre receivers his whole career🥱🤷🏾♂️ before Zay name one receiver that’s been better then Diggs or Gabe Davis, heck even Dawson Knox or Kincaid ? Thats why he won 2 MVP’s bc he makes players around him look better. He really just got some real help with Derrick Henry, which in my opinion Lamar makes it easier for him.
Allen came in 5th place in MVP voting folks. Allen didn't lose to just Lamar...he lost to 3 other players.😂😂😂😂
I hate the fact that because Lamar has won 2 MVPs some people say…well it’s voter fatigue so let’s give someone else a shot. Bullshit everyone gets a trophy mentality. It’s the NFL and its pundits are great at selling narratives. And no question Lamar has benefited in his 2 MVPs seasons. The difference is Lamar actually put the “most valuable” in MVP by his play in the regular season which is what the award is about. You got the most stats…there’s an award for that and it’s called Offensive Player of the Year. Josh Allen is not the most valuable player in football. I’m sorry he is not. And it’s not just about stats. He cannot do what Lamar can do. He cannot will his team to wins consistently when they should not win. He showed his true colors against the Ravens this year when they got blown out and he played terrible but everyone gives him a pass on that one. Face it…..they want him to win because they hype him as one of the best but since he doesn’t have a Super Bowl they need to legitimize their stance by at least force feeding him a MVP. They can’t give it to
Burrow because his team is trash so Josh will do. But the excuse for Burrow is he beat the Chiefs ONCE in the playoffs and lost in the Superbowl. WOW. Any excuse to make these 2 QBs seem better than Lamar and bring up Lamar’s playoff record when neither one have won a Superbowl.
Ravens have played a lot tougher schedule than the bills
I’m a bills fan and have Josh winning mvp but Lamar is right there and if Lamar does win it I wouldn’t be upset. He’s playing amazing this year.
Noone should be shocked that Nick doesn't want the man who insulted him to overtake Mahomes in MVPs. This show is carefully scripted, and Lamar is to Nick what LeBron was to Skip Bayless. Keep watching....Nick and Skip are TV father and son.😅
Lamar should go all Vince Young on the league after Vince lost the Heisman to either Leinhart or Bush, to win the natty.
Sooooo……this year, it’s ok for Josh to win because of the teams they’ve beaten….but it’s an issue when Lamar beat the best teams last year? WTH?
Not to mention that when the Bills played Jax the narrative was that Buffalo was unbeatable and didn’t need Diggs. After playing Baltimore, all of sudden Joan needs help! They have been trying to *GIVE* Josh the mvp ever since he was on the Madden cover.
so if your dogshit but win more games, u win mvp?
*not saying allen is playing bad hes not, but if u have better stats + a very similar record you have to look at stats
To all the Jackson fans they both have 37 tds and allen sat in the 4thq for 3 games cuz they were up big and last year allen had 44tds to Jackson 29tds and it wasn't bout stats now it is
I personally think Saquan deserves the mvp he is the best player in football. but since the voters are biased towards qbs josh allen should get it over lamar. Their stats are pretty much equal while josh allen has a better record with a team that isn't nearly as talented.
Give it to Josh, I’m thinking Olajuwon Robinson NBA. Give Lamar a reason to curve stump the competition 💪🏿💪🏿
Before the season, Baltimore was projected to look like and be where Philly is. They definitely have underperformed.
The reason why the performance in a loss helped Josh and not Goff is because Allen didn’t lose to a fellow MVP candidate.
lol he lost to Lamar tho
Allen played well in 3 games, now hes the favorite? Look at the bills schedule. They would be under 500 if they had the ravens schedule
I think if the stats are close for the mvp running, head to head matchups matter. Lamar has better stats across the board. Yes Lamar has had maybe 2 bad games but so has josh. 9/31 anyone?? Lamar also has the worst defense this year and hate to say it Justin Tucker lost the ravens most of their games
Lamar beat The Bills when…They were hyping Josh Allen and the Bills earlier this season as the best team in the NFL. Josh threw for 0 TDs vs a Horrible Ravens Pass Defense. But they’ll over look that game and say, but he beat The Chiefs. No what happened when he went up against the reigning MVP? 😏😏😏😒
Saquan should be the MVP stop qb bias it’s disgusting
9:51 Do more with less !! Wow
The constant disrespect,
Patrick mahomes won a SB on a bad ankle,
WITH juju as his top WR, he's clearly 1 of the best post season performers, down 24-0 in a playoff game then win it 51-31
Stop josh or Lamar could never
You tripping Lamar has been doing that his whole career until last year when they got him Zay & A Old washed Odell, Nelson “I ain’t catching nun” Agehlor, and Bateman was hurt mostly last year. But I will say Patrick has dealt with that the last 2 seasons with mediocre receivers. They just finally doing what Lamar’s been doing🤷🏾♂️
Uhh Nick had us missing the playoffs idk what you’re talking about
Don't for get Baltimore beat the Bills early in the season I think Baltimore will beat the Bills in the playoffs
The head to head has to be looked at and taken into consideration especially when it’s a blow out !!!
Minshew and Winston didn’t blow out Jackson. So that needs to be taken into consideration
Josh Allen has a game this year he went 9-30 .. and they still almost won ..
He isn’t the mvp
Head to head matters bro and moments is moments. Last year you guys was saying Allen have better stat than lj but what ever to push Allen. Lamar has played with less way longer than Allen and stop using Henry as if Bmore run game was always great before Henry got there. If Allen beat Lamar head to head you guys would have been using that to support Allen. Keep the mvp but don't put down one to raise another.
They just don't want to lamar to win it again
Nick, Lamar was one dumb voter away from a 2X UMVP player.
No…Lamar is better than Josh Allen. Period! We don’t have to think ponder or make up anything…he just is. They’ve been wanting Josh Allen to win MVP for a while now. So now is his chance…since he’s no longer a walking turnover. 😏😏😏😒
Julian,
While I typically respect your takes, I think you've lost perspective on this one - and that's OK. It happens to everyone now and then. Right now, you're drinking the juice that's being sold: that Josh Allen is somehow superior to Lamar Jackson. But in no way has Josh Allen demonstrated this - not in this league, and certainly not this year when compared directly to Lamar Jackson.
Here's the real question: What truly determines the value of a player? Isn't it what their team would look like without them?
With that in mind, let me ask you: What would the Buffalo Bills' record be if they faced the same challenges Lamar Jackson and the Ravens have this year?
The worst passing defense in the NFL for most of the season
The worst kicker in the league for much of the season
The most penalty yards lost of any team in the NFL
I'll answer for you: Josh Allen's record would be worse than the Ravens' current record.
And that's the point. Lamar Jackson hasn't just endured these challenges; he's overcome them. He's done it with his
"superpowers" as the most valuable player in the league, and not just at a high level - but at a historic level.
Without Lamar Jackson's HISTORIC level of play from the QB position - The Ravens worst defense, worst kicking, most penalized TEAM performance would have them somewhere alongside or behind the likes of the lowly Jets.
Lamar has elevated his team past every one of these obstacles. He's carried them through bad defense, kicking woes, and penalties - and still achieved success that only comes with an MVP-caliber performance.
If you put down the Josh Allen MVP narrative for a moment and look objectively at the facts, you'll see the undeniable truth: The most valuable player in the NFL this year is Lamar Jackson.
Keep up the great work, I enjoy your show... we should collab sometime soon.
Respectfully,
Rob Love
#1Flock
Come Playoff time everything is magnified. It's not coincidence that Allen is elite in playoffs and Lamar is utterly atrocious
lamar lost to the raiders and browns .. both games he put them up big in and the defense (which was bottom 2 bad) gave away leads but ok
Lamar don’t really care about the MVP he won 2 already probably will win another 2 year span he needs and wants a BOWL
I’d like to see if Richard Sherman does he was the only vote that went against Lamar. Sherman said the mvp was a stats and wins for quarter back. He voted for maccafery.. supposedly but I got all his receipts so if he goes and says Allen should win it. Sorry according to what he said last year Lamar shouldn’t have won it and someone else should have. Thoughts
We don't care if Lamar wins MVP this year. We as Raven fans want the superbowl honestly.
Speak for yaself. I want everything. Rings. MVPs. DPoys. ROTY….. whateva. I want it all
@VladeDivacJr lmao
9-5 and people seem to forget that Lamar fumbled in OT against the bengals and McPherson missed a short ass field goal. Should be 8-6.
You can do that for his losses as well. Lamar would be 11-3 at the least if his kicker didn't leave 22 points on the field. You cant use what ifs in this convo
@ I guess you haven’t paid attention to how bad the bills kicker has been all year as well.
@@ogjujubeanif we're going to nitpick, if likely's toe wasn't out of bounds, if tucker doesn't miss 3-4 kicks vs the eagles, if Kyle Hamilton don't drop that gift wrapped into to seal the win against the browns, if the defense don't blow a 10 point lead against the raiders, or tucker miss a fg against the steelers the ravens would be 14-0 and the 1 seed. If we're going ro bring up hypotheticals, tell it from both sides not just one. The same way they could have lost both games to the bengals, they also could have beaten the steelers, browns, eagles, chiefs and raiders. All 5 of the ravens losses came down to self inflicted mistakes. Bad defense, Penalties and missed FGs but who cares right?
@@Rod904 Exactly, I think Josh is currently MVP because of the record and the level of play is similar imo (I think Lamar is ahead if we're just talking about individual play) but if they lose just 1 game and the Ravens win out and take the division, I don't see how Lamar doesn't get the MVP.
@JWLSports let me ask you this ? RAVENS end up with the 3rd seed. Finishing 12-5 with the stats? still Josh?
Now I agree Josh should win just saying Lamar wins the NORTH and finish as the 3rd seed.
@Julian w. Lucas Sports Lamar is doing it this season with one of the worst ranked defenses in the league, where they are giving up about 100yds/game in penalties, and they have a stronger strength of schedule than everyone else in the playoff hunt. He will also have beaten more playoff teams than Josh if they win out. So please, miss me on this narrative discussion for MVP. They have voter fatigue for Lamar. They want to discredit his previous MVP's. They said he didnt have the stats last year. This year he is leading all QB's in most of the QB passing categories and you're telling me Allen is having a better MVP year. Sorry. Allen played a mostly powderpuff schedule. He had legit games against the Chiefs, Lions, and Rams (in a loss). What QB do you hear improved his stock in a loss? Thats how bad they want to give it to Allen.
Head to head don’t matter…. 2 sec’s later “of course they count for kc” lmao just give him the I’m white so I should get the job award lmao
So does Lamar H2H win against the Bills not matter this year?
No mahomes is way better then lamar. Mahomes and allen are on another level then big choke black jesus lamar.
You're fkn insane...it's Mahomes at the top ALONE then everyone else
@@brandonjames740 lmfaoo ok
Wait so does the head to head not matter. I know it happened earlier in the year but it was a significant win and it wasn’t even close
So no credit for Lamar beating Allen heads up this year?
Dont matter lamar want mvp of SB yall with the bills and allen stfu
People just want hype... The best of the best is Patrick. Josh and Lamar are both in second. This season people want Josh and i deserve it.
Mahomes hasn’t been elite since Reek left. Reid and Spags are winning those SB’s
Be realistic head to head matchups mean something against good teams Lamar blew out Josh Allen and has better numbers that's why I can't give Josh Allen the edge if Josh Allen won that game everybody would throw that in ravens faces Lamar has better stats an beat and blew out the man who leading him don't talk about how good Josh playing talk to me about narrative not his play
5:41 means Alot within Tom Brady vs. Patrick Mahomes, or Joe.B vs.
Patrick
The biggest Lamar Hater Nick Wright,
Josh Allen is a Lock and everybody know it but they have to put some names around it and by the way Mahomes is not even near to top 10 votes with the best record in the NFL, wow Nick Wrong I am suprise.
Look who buffalo plays 8 teams under .500
Buffalo has given up one hundred points in the last two games not very good
The man got smoke 35-10
The MVP is a running back. He is not white, so automatically a back burner conversation piece
19 carries 65 yards? Hmm
Really when was the last white Mvp?
Wow this is crazy the hate!
Nick wright reallllllly can't handle what allen is doing.
He is doing mental gymnastics every week.
It's crazy. But it's how I know the bills are a legit threat. He is scared. And it's pbvious
I do recommend you checkout their elongated discussion about MVPs and Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes. I think you'll REALLY like what you hear 😊
Haha where they debate who is the better QB, Mahomes or Allen and Greg says it’s Allen?
🤦♂️goff got 300 yards and 4 tds after bills went into prevent
Exactly.
BS BS BS BS BS
I rock with you and your channel but you are off base on this. Goff and the Lions where in the exact same scenario that Allen and the Bills where in. Both were down 17 in the third quarter. Both got it to within one score with less than a minute left. Both failed to recover onside kick with less than a minute left with 2 timeouts, I get it Josh Allen is your favorite QB, but we can’t just create narratives. Great content. Love the channel.
I appreciate it! But they really weren’t. Not even lions fans really felt like Goff was leading a comeback. Not even Goff himself which is why he said it was a lopsided game. Allen was leading a comeback. Goff was just cleaning up the end of the game.
Not to mention what Allen had to do with his legs.
@@JWLSportscap I’m from Detroit and a lions fan and I definitely thought we was making a comeback stop trying to move the goal post and we definitely said watching they find a way to discredit Goff but last week they was ds Allen and his stats with a loss 😂😂
@ We’ll agree to disagree. 💪🏿
@@dequanadams8107Goff was chasing points all game. stop it
@@andrewhagen9343 lmao Allen was chasing pts all game last week vs the rams I’m sick of u people thinking someone supposed to just give up because they down some TDs loons could of still won that game if they got that offside kick