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I love Butts, and he has been great for Onic. But this M5, he definitely underperformed. Well, Kairi was playing the utilities so he didn't have the Assassin highlights like the other series, but his retri and overall game were solid till the finals. Kiboy, Sanz, and CW carried Onic for most of the tourney. Finals was a different story altogether. I think everyone can agree that Flap was the best exp in the tournament, better than Edwards and KidBomba for me, and Butts was supposed to keep up with him, which he couldn't at all. I feel like Sanford would've been the best exp for this Onic lineup.
If onic wants to win M6 they need a better exp laner and I would agree Sanford is one of the best exp laner rn even tho butts is good he isn't confident enough when going against flap
@@aryategar-jx1rvunderperforming is a result of good draft of opponent or good opponent. When you underperform, that doesn’t mean that you did it on purpose. Game 1 of onic vs blck is clearly a download game. That onic draft was a mess
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose. In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country. Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor. Not only him but also his family. That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family. So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
Yes he did not but his fan (mostly overpride pinoy) does deserved the hate. Yall overhyped him and discredited his teammate. The fact that sanz and kiboy carrying kairi in the finale, lol karma
@@mydilemma447Kairi can’t carry if BREN’s target is him. They’re shutting him down and zoning him out. With that, Sanz and CW can play freely. Analyze the game before saying something stupid.
@@klyzer5725nope, actually without all of them 5 team communicate each other, they will never play beautiful strategy like that. You have to watch their mic check. But, unfortunately at the end of final its not just 1 player mistakes. Its all about one team. Can't blame only to Kairi because this is team game, not solo game. Win or Lose They're already bring a good game.
I dont believe venus so called statement, he totally forget that buts got many penalty zone for onic, this guy just subjective and dont want to admit thay kairi is underperforming
The entire Onic team fell short in the grand finals. Throughout each game, there was consistently someone underperforming, but it wasn't the same person every time. 😅 Defensive mechanism daw ng indo, tapos i point out si butts na nag underperform 😂
@@mydilemma447 Only carrying if its Novaria and Lylia, and the reason Novaria is always open is because Kairi's heroes are prio ban. If they would prio ban Sanz heroes, then he would be a sitting duck with an Yve. Plus, whenever Onic pick Novaria, they prio ban/pick Minotaur to prevent counter. If your team/coach gives you this much advantage, then its no surprise you should perform well. Now imagine, Onic don't have Kari. Oposing team have freedom to ban other heroes (Sanz's heroes) that have big impact to the game.
bren did mention post match interview they intentionally target kairi which gave the rest of the team more slack. I experienced a couple of times getting 4 out of 5 bans in a tournament (sometimes all 5 if I last pick) and this resulted in my team playing out of their minds while I am just raking in deaths xD True story, my experience might not be international level but it does give me empathy for those that got targeted in games as a core strategy. In the novel/anime Kings' avatar they call this the "Rookie Block" because this usually affects star rookies where they shine and only later on be targeted on succeeding games after which then, results in underperformance. Point is, I don't see why Butss is underperforming despite those facts.
@@asxan-d4bhe got scared and tried to play it safe to use utility tank jungle to match enemies utility tank jungle. Which he shouldn't, he should have played assassin heroes, but even then he might still not win due to tanky drafts Bren had, they know kaira too well. Bren won by a large margin
Chickn is the best exp in NA, and I fully believe he has the insane potential to be the best in the world. They're both good but it's honestly expected theyd rival eachother, even if ones comes out on top like how chickn did him
In fairness and equality, it was coach Duckey who exposed the weakness of BUTSSS by drafting compositions that will allow BUTSSS to underperform. Usually, BUTSSS is a type of an EXP laner who plays a style wherein YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON HIM (the opposing exp laner). If you force BUTSSS to react on a playstyle that lets him focus on other players rather than himself, he plays average. That is why, usually, ONIC drafts EXP laners that focus on sustain (YZ, TERIZLA, sometimes URANUS or ESMERALDA) so that opposing exp laners won't join team fights because all will focus more on BUTSSS, while he does his thing. If you put exp laners that are like LAPU2, BENEDETTA, PAQUITO or fighters that are kinda explosive and do split pushing, BUTSSS will be forced to answer the threats of those heroes instead of joining team fights, and since it's more sustain type of EXP, he is much more needed in team fights rather than answer the threats of the explosive exp laners. Basically, FLAPTZY has shown us he can do more playstyles that are both passive and active exp laners. Sanford as well. When NATHZZZ is given a paquito, he can sometimes be like the top exp laners, but most of the time he is kinda passive. Edward also is like flap and Sanford, but recently, because of team compositions, he doesn't use explosive exp laners, mostly setting exp laners like Terizla
It's true. That was my point in game 3 and 4. Not good positioning, always got outsmarted by Flap and he keeps on feedling (I'm not sure which game is that, the one where Kairi used Haya)
Filo here, but imo gotta admit Kairi did not perform as good as expected, but it's hard to say when a jungler underperform because his playstyle will be affected by the team's dynamics. So it could be that due to Buts underperforming, he had to cover more space than usual which affected his performance. The key to winning championship is to have no weakest link. See all the PH champions in the past, all their roles were played spectacularly.
@@gracebl2162 yes he did the best. I also think onic choaches didn't prepared enough for that counter play. Because onic gameplay rely much on kairi farming ability.
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose. In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country. Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor. Not only him but also his family. That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family. So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
Us Filipinos are already proud that kairi is thriving in indo, stop blaming him just because he’s Filipino. After all he has achieved for ONIC, but you indos only said this just now just shows how you turn your backs against each other the moment they don’t meet your expectations.
@@yt_astrral I don't expect anything at all. Cz history has proven that many import player will under performance when they face their own home country.
bugbog naman buong onic sa laning e. si sanz lang nakakasabay kay pheww kasi passive naman talaga mga hero ni pheww unlike kay sanz na killer mages talaga si pheww ay more on support type. pero exp bugbog kay flap, sa gold lane laging lamang si marco, sa jungle ay halos sabay lang, sa roam di ka makaporma si kiboy kay owgwen. AP BREN is just better, walang nag underperform sa onic, mas malakas lang talaga BREN nung finals. Pero kung BL ang finals vs Onic, baka champ onic, talo sa mentally ang BL mas madali sila ma tilt gawa ng frist timer yung iba and medyo bago pa yung roster. sa crucial times medyo nagkakagulo na sila. unlike sa BREN na solid na solid na talaga, walang kakaba kaba kumbaga
maganda come back ginawa ng bren ng ma 3-0 sila ng onic, my ibubuga talaga onic, nahabol pa nila 1-3 , tingin ko kahit d na pitas si kairi, kaya onic manalo e, un last match nila na tambak onic, nabaligtad pa ng onic, na 3-0 pa bren
Si butss talaga ang butas kahit nung against deus at blck alam ko na magiging problema ng onic si butss. Kasi realtalk lang malakas Onic lalo sa mechanics, pero iba lang talaga yung bren pag dating sa early macro nila, di maka sabay Onic. si Kyle underrated sa macro tbh ginapped nya si Kairi ng bahagya, pero respect Kay Sanz ibang level din pinakita, dko nakitaan ng kapalpakan sa game, kaya Yung mga basher na naiinis sa tp tp at pati physical appearance pinuna na Lang ng mga toxic fans di nila mahanapan ng flaws sa game eh😂
imo, ik im not an analyst, but from what i can see from onic's playstyle, it has always been about kairi, sanz & cw carrying. buts have taken a role where he became sort of the "sacrificial lamb" for the greater good of the team. there have been many instances throughout the year not necessarily in m5, where onic players may have blundered a little, it could be kairi, it could be sanz or cw, but before the opponent could pounce on it buts would dive it and sacrifice himself so that the others wouldnt die. because 4 man onic can beat almost all teams. sometimes it was overextending and you only see buts dying and then the other 4 just leave him be because they know how to 4v5 against teams. im not a pro but they always say every player has their jobdesc, and i think for buts is to not lose lane and to not let his teammates die even if it means dying himself. he is not like other exp laners that may have some specialty as setters like flap, divers like sanford, etc but the winning formula for onic all year long has always been letting the other 4 dominate while buts doesnt do any other extra plays outside his jobdesc
butts is usually good, onic playstyle is to make sure he has the winning lane because cw could usually farm even at a disadvantage. just did not feel him in the finals. probably, flap is just a good counter for him
Im not even from sea, but in my opinion kairi dont deserve being overprotected, neither being hated. The fact is, only cw and sanz were consistent in the finals. And in my opinion, this is kinda Yeb's fault for not having answers and adjusting for bren drafts, especially thamuz.
Nalugi talaga c butss k flap sa lane. Nung phovius lng sya nakabawe, nung magndang pang counter phovius nag wanwan c supermarco. Sa isip2 ko nga parang na outdraft bren nun.
I think Onic thought their playstyle/startegy will not be countered anymore because they havent lost a game. But in the finals, Bren did something else which surprised Onic. Onic shines most in late game, they should have realized that already during the matches but I think they have forgotten for some reason during game 7. They should have retreated and waited for their core items. If the enemy team can melt your tank quickly, how much more for quishy heroes like mages.
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose. In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country. Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor. Not only him but also his family. That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family. So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
This guy totally forgot the 4 men penalty zone in 12 minutes of game 7, but no follow-up damage, I think the mistake is only wrong draft and players stuggle with mage roam, that is why onic lost
Correct. Ang liit ng ceiling ng draft nila dahil sa kadita roam. Yung idea kasi na ikulong sila sa loob ng yve tapos combo ng kadita nagbackfire sa dalawang setter type na hero xp at roam.
I kinda agree and kinda don't, While the other members also had their faults and the drafts were also bad sometimes, butss really did underperform, (don't get me wrong he did have some good plays) but a good play or two doesn't justify for his performance the whole series. Getting even (or even ahead) in terms of gold and exp with the enemy exp laner and making a difference in team fights every time is much more important.
4 man penalty zone doesn’t matter, Faramis exists. Pheww didn’t even purify because they knew Onic can’t follow up with anything. Owgwen spotted Kiboy, and even if he hit 4 man, it would only be good if his team was close enough and has the damage to follow up. They weren’t. CW and Sanz are on late game heroes. They could’ve played defensive but nope
wtf? Indo people doesn't discriminate between Filipino or Indonesian.. Maybe it's just him being so usually discriminated by people? And reasoning with his experience lol
Butss, aside from lacking appeal, I also can't understand why he's the team captain. You call yourself team captain but afraid of holding a microphone during interviews it seems like he hasn't been through a school presentation before..
Ik he underperform but he deserves some respect many clippers just put some clickbait,in the video venus just commenting not saying something like he wad trash or smth
Sa totoo lang Hindi lang Naman si Butss Yung nag Under perform Pati rin si Kairi sa lahat nang game sa Finals Si CW at Sanz lang Yung parang nag bubuhat kung kaylan Finals dun nag Under perform si Kairi 😂😂
Naka 4 man set siya noong clash sadya wala respo kasi ung mage yve tapos ang hero niya ay hindi mga impact hero kay flap damage hero eh like khaleed paquito arlot compare nyo kay butts na poro mabagal hero fred exp masha exp terizla tignan mo noong nag phov si butts damage napa abot ng game 7 kaya wag husga comparemuna ng draft
imagine if si edward lumipat sa onic id next season. exp - edward jungler - kairi roam - kiboy midlane - sanz gold lane - CW grabeng upgrade siguro yan. pero di naman na siguro aalis si edward sa blck kasi di naman ata nagkakalayo kinikita niya sa blck and if lilipat siya sa indo. tas nandito na rin families and friends niya. what if lang takaga
This gay player has some issues with Indonesian players 😂 Always pointing out the faults in Indo players and all ph players have no fault in their gameplay 😂
For my own opinion, I think Butss did not underperform so much during the matches coz we can still see his plays during the teamfights, Onic just played how they play the game by giving Butss the teamfighting EXP laners while having CW to carry at the late game and they have been successful in that approach. Bren just didn't give time for Onic to achieve their form in the late game that's why they won all their games before 15 mins, that's just how strong the early game of AP BREN...
Team fighting exp or not. 90% of the time, there was a zoning and gold gap between exp laners. It's usually the other member, cw/sanz or even kiboy who saves them from a bad early. But it's safe to say he definitely underperformed in the finals and some of the matches in the tourney. It's hard to always give it your A game and all players under perform every now and then. Same goes for Butts. Just look at the difference in the presennce of the exp laners.
did not underperform? Have you even watch the series? The dude literally always 2-3 levels behind against Flap... what's even worst he's also 2k-3k gold gap against flap... And you still have the audacity to say he did not underperform? 🤣🤣 What cave are you living in?
bat pa ba ume eksena dalawang yan pa important e e Laos Naman na, Nung Nakita nilang Ang lakas Ng onic kunwari burn out daw pero malamang takot lang sila matalo Lalo na dito pa sa pinas!
Di kase bagay kay butts meta ngayon ginagamit nya Masha Uranus kaya nung naging sikat si terizla nahirapan siya kaya hindi dapat si kairi binash partida assasin main pero marunong mag utility
Honestly I was thinking the same at first like how Veenus thought about Butss. "What happen to him? He usually engage the fight already but he is being pushed." Something like that 👌
Kaya nga malayo sa laruan ni Dlar noong m3. Barakong EXP ang wala noong game 7 kaya baog sa rotation. Nakakasabay sila noong una kaso naunti-untian sila ng AP Bren.
Actually we do blame and hate our fellow Indonesian pro player as well. Like lemon, skylar, coach acil, the whole evos team, etc. It's just that for kairi, there's a clear line of girls defending him. But for other player? Those girls don't even care. But why did the girls defend kairi? Cuz he's handsome lol.
Its true. Veenus is not the only one to say this..many other analysts and pro player have said this...but his poor performance went under cover because everyone puts spotlight on Kairi. Only CW was the most consistent for Onic but in finals his play style was compromised
Yes correct po si Butss din talaga nakita namin. Tama self-defense mechanism ng indo na i blame si Kairi, d naman niya kasalanan yun since yun talaga role ng tank yung mag face check, sisihij niyo di Butts na lumayo siya dun sa bush kahit angdaming cc ng exp lane hero niya.
Sa observation ko lang po. Hindi naman bad pick Yve, nabasa lang ni coach ducky na bait lang na midlane ung Kadita kya next nyang gnawa binanned nya ung mga comfort pick ni sanz. Naforce tuloy mg labas Yve Onic tpos dhil laki ng lamang ni flap sa lane nya mas maaga sya nkakapunta sa clash Sandstorm tuloy lagi sa mukha si Yve. si butts nmn nging reactive nlng lagi sa kung ano ggwin ni flap dhil nga gap sya. Galing tlga ng 3time mseries champ coach ducky. At syempre AP Bren solid. #BrenLangMalakas
yung sinasabi ni veenus na imaximize ng blacklist ang utility/healing roam support ang bren gumawa hahahahha ginawa ng bren yung dati lineup na blacklist na double healing meta mathilda +faramis na kasamang tank jungle hahhahaha
Not definitely a threat, it's just that Onic's coach is good but in the end he got outsmarted and didn't expect some heroes that will get used in exp lane which destroyed his plans, the Thamuz pick and the Faramis counter pick.
Rivalry bang matatawag ang PH vs Indo? Kahit bilangan mo lahat ng M series and MSC na see you soon pa nagchamp kahit isama mo na yung sa national team, di ko talaga mapagtanto na rival silang matatawag. Siguro Trashtalking nalang nagpaparelevant sa Indo 😅
He underperformed everyone even the best players have a bad day it's normal shit is tricky it always comes when you wouldn't expect it no matter how hard you fight a bad day it's a bad day for a reason. Flap didn't even pressure him much and he still gapped so much.
whatever.. imo onic still has alot of room to improve their chemistry idk why but i can see that current lineup will he unstoppable when they reach their peak chemistry.. its not like bren clean sweep onic.. they just lost 1 game against them
Venus is right; Buts' gameplay weakened, not of international quality. If Indo wants to strengthen, they should replace Buts with a Filipino exp laner. Buts is really weak, only suitable for rank games.
Thats why exp lane is the most important role in the game, tanking damage, support damage, zone/checking bush if the core was safe if they taking obj and prioritize his gold at the same time dude that roles is freaking complicated, if you dont know how to play your role you'll loss
Idk if it's Onic's strats to have Butss die and meatshield so that kairi cw sanz are untouched for as long as possible - many of his deaths leave me puzzled, like there was no real need for him to do so, so it could just be part of their overall strat
Well it’s true that kairi made a mistake but it’s true that if kairi teammates is better he wouldn’t make such silly mistake whatever we are just viewers what’s there to judge someone when some players is skilled too but can’t beat pressure kairi is good I wonder how kairi will take this it would be terrible if he blamed himself too much blaming yourself too much will make you weak
😅 blaming one player is a bit too much the whole team lost as a team its not a one player game to begin and maybe butss underperforming because of the type of gameplay onic plays its like butss has to layer the ccs and unlt so that kiboy gets to set nicely so its the gameplay the whole team followed and what kairi in that last lord fight was definitely a blunder even kairi will agree to it thats why he was crying he knew he did a big mistake there who knows maybe while defending they could have pulled another defense like the one kiboy did with his tigreal but kairi had his reasons to do that maybe it was a team decision so why bpame one player every player in the team is responsible for their loss not only one but every player so we should not Target one player end of topic btw this TH-camr knows the algorithm pretty nicely 😂😂 starting a fire that will give him more views ☠️
People should also understand to SOME extent onics playstyle has always been for butts to be underfarmed..its why they picked fredrin and dirot full tank so butts just plays for uti
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Guys correction "Butas" means "Hole" not "Whole".. Sorry typo guys.. effect of keep thinking the "Whole M5" part hehe 😂✌️
NAKO PRE KAKASUHAN KA NA HAHAHAHA DE jk
u mean But+hole? 😂😂
It does mean hole”. It means boots.
@@insectiontv4287 Huh?
Sayang d magegets ng indo ang whole haha
I love Butts, and he has been great for Onic. But this M5, he definitely underperformed. Well, Kairi was playing the utilities so he didn't have the Assassin highlights like the other series, but his retri and overall game were solid till the finals. Kiboy, Sanz, and CW carried Onic for most of the tourney. Finals was a different story altogether.
I think everyone can agree that Flap was the best exp in the tournament, better than Edwards and KidBomba for me, and Butts was supposed to keep up with him, which he couldn't at all. I feel like Sanford would've been the best exp for this Onic lineup.
CW woke up by G4. Kiboy and Sanz were fertilizer for Bren, they didn't carry.
@@OxygenC2 they messed up in finals. From draft to macro plays, mistakes everywhere. I was rooting hard for them, it was just sad to see.
If onic wants to win M6 they need a better exp laner and I would agree Sanford is one of the best exp laner rn even tho butts is good he isn't confident enough when going against flap
What wise said is true! If Onic has an exp laner like kidbomba, Edward and Flap? It’s done! Give the trophy to Onic already
Haaaaa kidterizla??🤣
Just happy to see recognition from the best players around the world to Edward ❤
He under performed po
Through the series he did pretty good tbh the only time he underperformed was during the finals
Kairi always has this guving in to pressure in M series. This happen in M3 too when he was with Onic Ph
He underperforme too when use dirrot, Benedetta when vs blacklist. I don't know he underperforme when vs Filipino
@@aryategar-jx1rvunderperforming is a result of good draft of opponent or good opponent. When you underperform, that doesn’t mean that you did it on purpose. Game 1 of onic vs blck is clearly a download game. That onic draft was a mess
They pushed Fredrinn Exp, you can't really make plays with that
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose.
In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country.
Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor.
Not only him but also his family.
That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family.
So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
Kairi not deserve the hate 😅
Yes he did not but his fan (mostly overpride pinoy) does deserved the hate. Yall overhyped him and discredited his teammate. The fact that sanz and kiboy carrying kairi in the finale, lol karma
@@mydilemma447when💀
@@mydilemma447Kairi can’t carry if BREN’s target is him. They’re shutting him down and zoning him out. With that, Sanz and CW can play freely. Analyze the game before saying something stupid.
@@mydilemma447if onic won = kiboy and sanz the carry, onic lost = kairi the impostor, lmao.
ap bren is just way too good 🥱 skill issue.
@@klyzer5725nope, actually without all of them 5 team communicate each other, they will never play beautiful strategy like that. You have to watch their mic check. But, unfortunately at the end of final its not just 1 player mistakes. Its all about one team. Can't blame only to Kairi because this is team game, not solo game. Win or Lose They're already bring a good game.
Butts is an Indonesian version of Mielow in M5🙄 Always taking unnecessary fight and died in between the process.
I dont believe venus so called statement, he totally forget that buts got many penalty zone for onic, this guy just subjective and dont want to admit thay kairi is underperforming
Tama tlaga si veenus Kay butss (Butass😂) kulang ksi ung impact 2 to 3k gold gap ng counterpart
i think what "butas" meant in their conversation is butts is the weakest link on their group, just translate it figuratively not literal "hole"😅
The entire Onic team fell short in the grand finals. Throughout each game, there was consistently someone underperforming, but it wasn't the same person every time. 😅
Defensive mechanism daw ng indo, tapos i point out si butts na nag underperform 😂
Pls sanz carrying in every game. The comeback happened cuz of his novaria
@@mydilemma447 Only carrying if its Novaria and Lylia, and the reason Novaria is always open is because Kairi's heroes are prio ban. If they would prio ban Sanz heroes, then he would be a sitting duck with an Yve.
Plus, whenever Onic pick Novaria, they prio ban/pick Minotaur to prevent counter. If your team/coach gives you this much advantage, then its no surprise you should perform well.
Now imagine, Onic don't have Kari. Oposing team have freedom to ban other heroes (Sanz's heroes) that have big impact to the game.
Ang slow mo grabe di mo gets sinabi niya??
@@fire_gwell said repa
Outdraft lng sila 😅 mlkas lng bren pag early game pag late game na laglag
bren did mention post match interview they intentionally target kairi which gave the rest of the team more slack.
I experienced a couple of times getting 4 out of 5 bans in a tournament (sometimes all 5 if I last pick) and this resulted in my team playing out of their minds while I am just raking in deaths xD
True story, my experience might not be international level but it does give me empathy for those that got targeted in games as a core strategy.
In the novel/anime Kings' avatar they call this the "Rookie Block" because this usually affects star rookies where they shine and only later on be targeted on succeeding games after which then, results in underperformance.
Point is, I don't see why Butss is underperforming despite those facts.
bro they only banned joy and nolan. kairi's hero pool is way more than that.
@@MarkClaus-c4eyeah im surprised kairi didnt use his comfort hero ling, fanny and lancelot.
@@asxan-d4bhe got scared and tried to play it safe to use utility tank jungle to match enemies utility tank jungle.
Which he shouldn't, he should have played assassin heroes, but even then he might still not win due to tanky drafts Bren had, they know kaira too well. Bren won by a large margin
ling really?😂 Look how bren bodied kairi in his jungle even in utility heroes.
Wahahahha. Using fanny and Ur opponent is bren. Suicide
Well even Chicken was winning against Butts 1vs1 in M4.
Chickn is the best exp in NA, and I fully believe he has the insane potential to be the best in the world. They're both good but it's honestly expected theyd rival eachother, even if ones comes out on top like how chickn did him
@@onetwofrancis yeah true
In fairness and equality, it was coach Duckey who exposed the weakness of BUTSSS by drafting compositions that will allow BUTSSS to underperform.
Usually, BUTSSS is a type of an EXP laner who plays a style wherein YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON HIM (the opposing exp laner). If you force BUTSSS to react on a playstyle that lets him focus on other players rather than himself, he plays average. That is why, usually, ONIC drafts EXP laners that focus on sustain (YZ, TERIZLA, sometimes URANUS or ESMERALDA) so that opposing exp laners won't join team fights because all will focus more on BUTSSS, while he does his thing. If you put exp laners that are like LAPU2, BENEDETTA, PAQUITO or fighters that are kinda explosive and do split pushing, BUTSSS will be forced to answer the threats of those heroes instead of joining team fights, and since it's more sustain type of EXP, he is much more needed in team fights rather than answer the threats of the explosive exp laners.
Basically, FLAPTZY has shown us he can do more playstyles that are both passive and active exp laners. Sanford as well. When NATHZZZ is given a paquito, he can sometimes be like the top exp laners, but most of the time he is kinda passive. Edward also is like flap and Sanford, but recently, because of team compositions, he doesn't use explosive exp laners, mostly setting exp laners like Terizla
When Flap picked Thamuz, Buts was completely gapped
The paquito of flap, literally butss is gap 💀
Kidbomba also said it butss was the prob😢 Even chantelle’s ex bf justin? He also said the same
It's true. That was my point in game 3 and 4. Not good positioning, always got outsmarted by Flap and he keeps on feedling (I'm not sure which game is that, the one where Kairi used Haya)
For me FlapTzy was a MONSTER on the finals.. 💯👌🏻🇵🇭
Filo here, but imo gotta admit Kairi did not perform as good as expected, but it's hard to say when a jungler underperform because his playstyle will be affected by the team's dynamics. So it could be that due to Buts underperforming, he had to cover more space than usual which affected his performance. The key to winning championship is to have no weakest link.
See all the PH champions in the past, all their roles were played spectacularly.
Kairi did lose most of 50-50 retri, except that steal from joy.
I think bren found way to counter his farming style, so he can't use damage jungler instead of utility ones which he isn't very good at.
@@TakaTinHey Flaptzy help in invading and zoning. Making Kairi having a hard time
@@gracebl2162 yes he did the best. I also think onic choaches didn't prepared enough for that counter play. Because onic gameplay rely much on kairi farming ability.
It hard for rtz to retri . flaptzy zone dem compared to buts @@handrianoperwira2626
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose.
In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country.
Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor.
Not only him but also his family.
That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family.
So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
Us Filipinos are already proud that kairi is thriving in indo, stop blaming him just because he’s Filipino.
After all he has achieved for ONIC, but you indos only said this just now just shows how you turn your backs against each other the moment they don’t meet your expectations.
@@yt_astrral I don't expect anything at all. Cz history has proven that many import player will under performance when they face their own home country.
bugbog naman buong onic sa laning e. si sanz lang nakakasabay kay pheww kasi passive naman talaga mga hero ni pheww unlike kay sanz na killer mages talaga si pheww ay more on support type. pero exp bugbog kay flap, sa gold lane laging lamang si marco, sa jungle ay halos sabay lang, sa roam di ka makaporma si kiboy kay owgwen. AP BREN is just better, walang nag underperform sa onic, mas malakas lang talaga BREN nung finals. Pero kung BL ang finals vs Onic, baka champ onic, talo sa mentally ang BL mas madali sila ma tilt gawa ng frist timer yung iba and medyo bago pa yung roster. sa crucial times medyo nagkakagulo na sila. unlike sa BREN na solid na solid na talaga, walang kakaba kaba kumbaga
maganda come back ginawa ng bren ng ma 3-0 sila ng onic, my ibubuga talaga onic, nahabol pa nila 1-3 , tingin ko kahit d na pitas si kairi, kaya onic manalo e, un last match nila na tambak onic, nabaligtad pa ng onic, na 3-0 pa bren
Si butss talaga ang butas kahit nung against deus at blck alam ko na magiging problema ng onic si butss. Kasi realtalk lang malakas Onic lalo sa mechanics, pero iba lang talaga yung bren pag dating sa early macro nila, di maka sabay Onic. si Kyle underrated sa macro tbh ginapped nya si Kairi ng bahagya, pero respect Kay Sanz ibang level din pinakita, dko nakitaan ng kapalpakan sa game, kaya Yung mga basher na naiinis sa tp tp at pati physical appearance pinuna na Lang ng mga toxic fans di nila mahanapan ng flaws sa game eh😂
HAHAHA Tama SI wise pag SI Edward Yung nag exp sa onic sure win na. Ang lakas Kasi ni flap kaya kaya di makasabay SI butss
imo, ik im not an analyst, but from what i can see from onic's playstyle, it has always been about kairi, sanz & cw carrying. buts have taken a role where he became sort of the "sacrificial lamb" for the greater good of the team. there have been many instances throughout the year not necessarily in m5, where onic players may have blundered a little, it could be kairi, it could be sanz or cw, but before the opponent could pounce on it buts would dive it and sacrifice himself so that the others wouldnt die. because 4 man onic can beat almost all teams. sometimes it was overextending and you only see buts dying and then the other 4 just leave him be because they know how to 4v5 against teams. im not a pro but they always say every player has their jobdesc, and i think for buts is to not lose lane and to not let his teammates die even if it means dying himself. he is not like other exp laners that may have some specialty as setters like flap, divers like sanford, etc but the winning formula for onic all year long has always been letting the other 4 dominate while buts doesnt do any other extra plays outside his jobdesc
You're on point
FLap outplayed him
which is exactly why it was bad matchup for him specially to onic, and this is also the reason why he is the loophole.
butts is usually good, onic playstyle is to make sure he has the winning lane because cw could usually farm even at a disadvantage. just did not feel him in the finals. probably, flap is just a good counter for him
Flaptzy is just that good 😂😂
Im not even from sea, but in my opinion kairi dont deserve being overprotected, neither being hated. The fact is, only cw and sanz were consistent in the finals. And in my opinion, this is kinda Yeb's fault for not having answers and adjusting for bren drafts, especially thamuz.
Eh, I think only CW was consistently good on ONIC in the GF. Sanz had his dominating moments but he also had his screw ups here and there.
@@randylianabella4861 i think this is true, but he wasn't as "diff" as the other 3 imo
Sanz is great its just yve is not mrta anymore, its coach yeb mistake @@randylianabella4861
Yebs draft in the finals was fked upp
@@landen583 kinda disappointing for me, they usually are the ones who have secret picks, but they got oudrafted hard
Nalugi talaga c butss k flap sa lane. Nung phovius lng sya nakabawe, nung magndang pang counter phovius nag wanwan c supermarco. Sa isip2 ko nga parang na outdraft bren nun.
I think it's kiboy who underferformed, his chou, kaja and afk tigreal are non factor. No vision, no zone, just pure hiding in bushes
How his tigreal Afk?? is it about yhe production?
@@reboltv4246 he just chose to hide in bush i think for 3 mins waiting for nothing
@@reality4861 Damn what the heck
I think Onic thought their playstyle/startegy will not be countered anymore because they havent lost a game. But in the finals, Bren did something else which surprised Onic.
Onic shines most in late game, they should have realized that already during the matches but I think they have forgotten for some reason during game 7. They should have retreated and waited for their core items. If the enemy team can melt your tank quickly, how much more for quishy heroes like mages.
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose.
In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country.
Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor.
Not only him but also his family.
That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family.
So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
This guy totally forgot the 4 men penalty zone in 12 minutes of game 7, but no follow-up damage, I think the mistake is only wrong draft and players stuggle with mage roam, that is why onic lost
Correct. Ang liit ng ceiling ng draft nila dahil sa kadita roam. Yung idea kasi na ikulong sila sa loob ng yve tapos combo ng kadita nagbackfire sa dalawang setter type na hero xp at roam.
I kinda agree and kinda don't,
While the other members also had their faults and the drafts were also bad sometimes, butss really did underperform, (don't get me wrong he did have some good plays) but a good play or two doesn't justify for his performance the whole series. Getting even (or even ahead) in terms of gold and exp with the enemy exp laner and making a difference in team fights every time is much more important.
4 man penalty zone doesn’t matter, Faramis exists. Pheww didn’t even purify because they knew Onic can’t follow up with anything. Owgwen spotted Kiboy, and even if he hit 4 man, it would only be good if his team was close enough and has the damage to follow up. They weren’t. CW and Sanz are on late game heroes. They could’ve played defensive but nope
1 good set doesn't mean anything when it did not work out
Even if its 5 man, faramis was there and Flaptzy zoned CW and Sanz effectively that Butss play turned into suicide.
wtf? Indo people doesn't discriminate between Filipino or Indonesian..
Maybe it's just him being so usually discriminated by people? And reasoning with his experience lol
Butss, aside from lacking appeal, I also can't understand why he's the team captain. You call yourself team captain but afraid of holding a microphone during interviews it seems like he hasn't been through a school presentation before..
Ik he underperform but he deserves some respect many clippers just put some clickbait,in the video venus just commenting not saying something like he wad trash or smth
Wise=Gay
Indo finals season 12 kairi carry the onis but the mvp sanz tp😂😂😂😂 onic lost at m5 finals they all blame to kairi😂😂😂
Sa totoo lang Hindi lang Naman si Butss Yung nag Under perform Pati rin si Kairi sa lahat nang game sa Finals Si CW at Sanz lang Yung parang nag bubuhat kung kaylan Finals dun nag Under perform si Kairi 😂😂
Someone tell venus that if it is blacklist na nakapasok. Onic will be the champion facts 😅 MTB drafts sucks
Naka 4 man set siya noong clash sadya wala respo kasi ung mage yve tapos ang hero niya ay hindi mga impact hero kay flap damage hero eh like khaleed paquito arlot compare nyo kay butts na poro mabagal hero fred exp masha exp terizla tignan mo noong nag phov si butts damage napa abot ng game 7 kaya wag husga comparemuna ng draft
imagine if si edward lumipat sa onic id next season.
exp - edward
jungler - kairi
roam - kiboy
midlane - sanz
gold lane - CW
grabeng upgrade siguro yan. pero di naman na siguro aalis si edward sa blck kasi di naman ata nagkakalayo kinikita niya sa blck and if lilipat siya sa indo. tas nandito na rin families and friends niya. what if lang takaga
This gay player has some issues with Indonesian players 😂 Always pointing out the faults in Indo players and all ph players have no fault in their gameplay 😂
Even Kiboy underperformed in the finals. His signature chou and kaja didn’t do shit. There was no impact what so ever. Just kept on feeding
real
Onic should replaced Butss with Fwydchkn
Whole = kabuoan/buo
Hole = butas
🙃
Okay lng.. para iba rin pagka intindi ng mga aliens na nanonood nito 😆
For my own opinion, I think Butss did not underperform so much during the matches coz we can still see his plays during the teamfights, Onic just played how they play the game by giving Butss the teamfighting EXP laners while having CW to carry at the late game and they have been successful in that approach. Bren just didn't give time for Onic to achieve their form in the late game that's why they won all their games before 15 mins, that's just how strong the early game of AP BREN...
Team fighting exp or not. 90% of the time, there was a zoning and gold gap between exp laners. It's usually the other member, cw/sanz or even kiboy who saves them from a bad early. But it's safe to say he definitely underperformed in the finals and some of the matches in the tourney. It's hard to always give it your A game and all players under perform every now and then. Same goes for Butts. Just look at the difference in the presennce of the exp laners.
Flap outperformed him so much
He only performed well with the terizla. Comfort pick.
did not underperform? Have you even watch the series? The dude literally always 2-3 levels behind against Flap... what's even worst he's also 2k-3k gold gap against flap... And you still have the audacity to say he did not underperform? 🤣🤣 What cave are you living in?
Is underperforming and being outperformed is the same thing?? Just like in M4 can you say that Edward underperformed against Sanford in the Finals??
i agree he did great with PHOVEUS only
si pero kairi estuvo muy flojo en la final al igual que kiboy en los primeros juegos
bat pa ba ume eksena dalawang yan pa important e e Laos Naman na, Nung Nakita nilang Ang lakas Ng onic kunwari burn out daw pero malamang takot lang sila matalo Lalo na dito pa sa pinas!
Pero nacucutan ako kay butss 💛 pero d nga mxadong ramdam compared to kidbomba
Di kase bagay kay butts meta ngayon ginagamit nya Masha Uranus kaya nung naging sikat si terizla nahirapan siya kaya hindi dapat si kairi binash partida assasin main pero marunong mag utility
Wow ha butss kuntra flap layu agwàt
Kairi lng nman nag bubuhat ng onic sus hahahaha sisimode ba yung Intronesia 🤣
sa totoo lang sa mga taga Indo na players, si R7 ang pinaka consistent na Exp laner.
Honestly I was thinking the same at first like how Veenus thought about Butss. "What happen to him? He usually engage the fight already but he is being pushed." Something like that 👌
I think kairi would be best if he woukd play for blacklist. He would play with his Bataan friends Edward, renejay and coach Bonchan.
Sabi nga ni Pakbet, wala sa heroes yan, nasa player na yan. 🤷♀️
Kairi has become their scape goat. indo teams blame culture there
7 game both team it's the best, Unless bren wins 4-0
Kaya nga malayo sa laruan ni Dlar noong m3. Barakong EXP ang wala noong game 7 kaya baog sa rotation. Nakakasabay sila noong una kaso naunti-untian sila ng AP Bren.
Why tf this malefemale opinion matter, they can't even beat the btk in m3
buts paquito is trash bro, but luckily onic won that match
Mahina naman talaga si Butss. Malakas pa rg boyz dito sa pinas sakanya e 😂
Butts gave his minions to feed Kairi, that is why he always had a gap gold
I think the right term is "Outperformed"
He was being gapped by Flaptzy. He is not solely to be blamed though. Yeb drafted badly for Game 7 and Kiboy missed a lot of his Kadita combos.
ONIC's draft is to surprised BREN unfortunately Kiboloy is surprised. He can't perfrom well wout KAIRI dying.
It's not only Coach Yeb. Coach Adi also part of drafting
Its not about drafting, its about how buttss play in exp lane. Flap is way more ahead of him
Sanz too. He was getting caught often by Flap and Kyle. His positioning in game 7 isn't as good when he's using Novaria or Gord.
Lol coach yeb will not suggest 2nd pick kadita without banning faramis . Im sure that adi strat game 7
Parang yung isang content din LIFESTYLE daw yun pala LIFE STEAL 🤭🫢🫢🫢
I've been saying the same thing buts kinda meh
Actually we do blame and hate our fellow Indonesian pro player as well. Like lemon, skylar, coach acil, the whole evos team, etc. It's just that for kairi, there's a clear line of girls defending him. But for other player? Those girls don't even care. But why did the girls defend kairi? Cuz he's handsome lol.
Onic id need more ph import rule exp laner to become m world champion 🏆🥇👌 😂😅
Its true. Veenus is not the only one to say this..many other analysts and pro player have said this...but his poor performance went under cover because everyone puts spotlight on Kairi. Only CW was the most consistent for Onic but in finals his play style was compromised
flap is the real mvp of that game
too hard to read the subs brother .use another colour>?
What time is it? 😂
It's Crying time!
It's Blaming time!
It's Reason time!
We will pause again in M6 😁
Comeback stronger indonesia you can win M60 👴💀
After m5 wala ng rivalry momshoes, kasi binubugbug lang natin indo
Yes correct po si Butss din talaga nakita namin.
Tama self-defense mechanism ng indo na i blame si Kairi, d naman niya kasalanan yun since yun talaga role ng tank yung mag face check, sisihij niyo di Butts na lumayo siya dun sa bush kahit angdaming cc ng exp lane hero niya.
Sa observation ko lang po. Hindi naman bad pick Yve, nabasa lang ni coach ducky na bait lang na midlane ung Kadita kya next nyang gnawa binanned nya ung mga comfort pick ni sanz. Naforce tuloy mg labas Yve Onic tpos dhil laki ng lamang ni flap sa lane nya mas maaga sya nkakapunta sa clash Sandstorm tuloy lagi sa mukha si Yve. si butts nmn nging reactive nlng lagi sa kung ano ggwin ni flap dhil nga gap sya. Galing tlga ng 3time mseries champ coach ducky. At syempre AP Bren solid. #BrenLangMalakas
Like karltzy last season
yung sinasabi ni veenus na imaximize ng blacklist ang utility/healing roam support ang bren gumawa hahahahha
ginawa ng bren yung dati lineup na blacklist na double healing meta mathilda +faramis na kasamang tank jungle hahhahaha
The only threat to Ph is Kairi. shut down kairi, you shut down onic.
Not definitely a threat, it's just that Onic's coach is good but in the end he got outsmarted and didn't expect some heroes that will get used in exp lane which destroyed his plans, the Thamuz pick and the Faramis counter pick.
Rivalry bang matatawag ang PH vs Indo? Kahit bilangan mo lahat ng M series and MSC na see you soon pa nagchamp kahit isama mo na yung sa national team, di ko talaga mapagtanto na rival silang matatawag. Siguro Trashtalking nalang nagpaparelevant sa Indo 😅
Is it really a rivalry if its 4-1 in the worlds biggest stage ?
It's 4-3
MVP nila sa mcs SI butss
She's not happy when butss ulted a 5 men penalty zone on blacklist...FACTS..
Di naman nag underperform si Butss. Outclassed lang talaga sya kay Flap.
Indo blaming Kairi
Ph blaming Butss
Phovus only? And what. did butts really do in the whole series and by the way that kiboy is doing on kaja kadita and chou is a blunder 😂
He underperformed everyone even the best players have a bad day it's normal shit is tricky it always comes when you wouldn't expect it no matter how hard you fight a bad day it's a bad day for a reason. Flap didn't even pressure him much and he still gapped so much.
whatever.. imo onic still has alot of room to improve their chemistry idk why but i can see that current lineup will he unstoppable when they reach their peak chemistry.. its not like bren clean sweep onic.. they just lost 1 game against them
Venus is right; Buts' gameplay weakened, not of international quality. If Indo wants to strengthen, they should replace Buts with a Filipino exp laner. Buts is really weak, only suitable for rank games.
Thats why exp lane is the most important role in the game, tanking damage, support damage, zone/checking bush if the core was safe if they taking obj and prioritize his gold at the same time dude that roles is freaking complicated, if you dont know how to play your role you'll loss
baxia pick is bad luck.
shutdown butts and kairi the 3 AI indo will panic
his performance vs blacklist was also so bad reason why blck almost beat onic.
Well i hope leaving ONIC, Kairi deserve better
Lakas ng impact sa IGN ni BUTTS 😁😆
Tugmang tugma ang sinabi ni wise sa performance ni buts sa Onic
Idk if it's Onic's strats to have Butss die and meatshield so that kairi cw sanz are untouched for as long as possible - many of his deaths leave me puzzled, like there was no real need for him to do so, so it could just be part of their overall strat
Yeah I thought so too
Well it’s true that kairi made a mistake but it’s true that if kairi teammates is better he wouldn’t make such silly mistake whatever we are just viewers what’s there to judge someone when some players is skilled too but can’t beat pressure kairi is good I wonder how kairi will take this it would be terrible if he blamed himself too much blaming yourself too much will make you weak
Actually Yeb under preformed in the finals, but you know its pinoy pride...
Sad, but its true
Imo the reason for their loss was drafting on game 7, kiboy should had gone for proper tvank/support.
😅 blaming one player is a bit too much the whole team lost as a team its not a one player game to begin and maybe butss underperforming because of the type of gameplay onic plays its like butss has to layer the ccs and unlt so that kiboy gets to set nicely so its the gameplay the whole team followed and what kairi in that last lord fight was definitely a blunder even kairi will agree to it thats why he was crying he knew he did a big mistake there who knows maybe while defending they could have pulled another defense like the one kiboy did with his tigreal but kairi had his reasons to do that maybe it was a team decision so why bpame one player every player in the team is responsible for their loss not only one but every player so we should not Target one player end of topic btw this TH-camr knows the algorithm pretty nicely 😂😂 starting a fire that will give him more views ☠️
People should also understand to SOME extent onics playstyle has always been for butts to be underfarmed..its why they picked fredrin and dirot full tank so butts just plays for uti
wdym? He even has his 5 people Penalty Zone on BLCK?
it is indeed Butss has been underperforming especially that Final series . Kairi needed him the most . Lost of connection !