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I love Butts, and he has been great for Onic. But this M5, he definitely underperformed. Well, Kairi was playing the utilities so he didn't have the Assassin highlights like the other series, but his retri and overall game were solid till the finals. Kiboy, Sanz, and CW carried Onic for most of the tourney. Finals was a different story altogether. I think everyone can agree that Flap was the best exp in the tournament, better than Edwards and KidBomba for me, and Butts was supposed to keep up with him, which he couldn't at all. I feel like Sanford would've been the best exp for this Onic lineup.
If onic wants to win M6 they need a better exp laner and I would agree Sanford is one of the best exp laner rn even tho butts is good he isn't confident enough when going against flap
@@aryategar-jx1rvunderperforming is a result of good draft of opponent or good opponent. When you underperform, that doesn’t mean that you did it on purpose. Game 1 of onic vs blck is clearly a download game. That onic draft was a mess
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose. In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country. Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor. Not only him but also his family. That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family. So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
bren did mention post match interview they intentionally target kairi which gave the rest of the team more slack. I experienced a couple of times getting 4 out of 5 bans in a tournament (sometimes all 5 if I last pick) and this resulted in my team playing out of their minds while I am just raking in deaths xD True story, my experience might not be international level but it does give me empathy for those that got targeted in games as a core strategy. In the novel/anime Kings' avatar they call this the "Rookie Block" because this usually affects star rookies where they shine and only later on be targeted on succeeding games after which then, results in underperformance. Point is, I don't see why Butss is underperforming despite those facts.
@@asxan-d4bhe got scared and tried to play it safe to use utility tank jungle to match enemies utility tank jungle. Which he shouldn't, he should have played assassin heroes, but even then he might still not win due to tanky drafts Bren had, they know kaira too well. Bren won by a large margin
In fairness and equality, it was coach Duckey who exposed the weakness of BUTSSS by drafting compositions that will allow BUTSSS to underperform. Usually, BUTSSS is a type of an EXP laner who plays a style wherein YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON HIM (the opposing exp laner). If you force BUTSSS to react on a playstyle that lets him focus on other players rather than himself, he plays average. That is why, usually, ONIC drafts EXP laners that focus on sustain (YZ, TERIZLA, sometimes URANUS or ESMERALDA) so that opposing exp laners won't join team fights because all will focus more on BUTSSS, while he does his thing. If you put exp laners that are like LAPU2, BENEDETTA, PAQUITO or fighters that are kinda explosive and do split pushing, BUTSSS will be forced to answer the threats of those heroes instead of joining team fights, and since it's more sustain type of EXP, he is much more needed in team fights rather than answer the threats of the explosive exp laners. Basically, FLAPTZY has shown us he can do more playstyles that are both passive and active exp laners. Sanford as well. When NATHZZZ is given a paquito, he can sometimes be like the top exp laners, but most of the time he is kinda passive. Edward also is like flap and Sanford, but recently, because of team compositions, he doesn't use explosive exp laners, mostly setting exp laners like Terizla
It's true. That was my point in game 3 and 4. Not good positioning, always got outsmarted by Flap and he keeps on feedling (I'm not sure which game is that, the one where Kairi used Haya)
Honestly I was thinking the same at first like how Veenus thought about Butss. "What happen to him? He usually engage the fight already but he is being pushed." Something like that 👌
I think Onic thought their playstyle/startegy will not be countered anymore because they havent lost a game. But in the finals, Bren did something else which surprised Onic. Onic shines most in late game, they should have realized that already during the matches but I think they have forgotten for some reason during game 7. They should have retreated and waited for their core items. If the enemy team can melt your tank quickly, how much more for quishy heroes like mages.
agree. there are so many instances when exp laners will respond to turtle/lord. The other team EXP will clear 1 minion wave and still be on time for the turtle fight, while butts will TP to their base, missed that 1 minion wave and still be late on that turtle fight. The reason why he is always 2-3k gold behind.
imo, ik im not an analyst, but from what i can see from onic's playstyle, it has always been about kairi, sanz & cw carrying. buts have taken a role where he became sort of the "sacrificial lamb" for the greater good of the team. there have been many instances throughout the year not necessarily in m5, where onic players may have blundered a little, it could be kairi, it could be sanz or cw, but before the opponent could pounce on it buts would dive it and sacrifice himself so that the others wouldnt die. because 4 man onic can beat almost all teams. sometimes it was overextending and you only see buts dying and then the other 4 just leave him be because they know how to 4v5 against teams. im not a pro but they always say every player has their jobdesc, and i think for buts is to not lose lane and to not let his teammates die even if it means dying himself. he is not like other exp laners that may have some specialty as setters like flap, divers like sanford, etc but the winning formula for onic all year long has always been letting the other 4 dominate while buts doesnt do any other extra plays outside his jobdesc
butts is usually good, onic playstyle is to make sure he has the winning lane because cw could usually farm even at a disadvantage. just did not feel him in the finals. probably, flap is just a good counter for him
Thats why exp lane is the most important role in the game, tanking damage, support damage, zone/checking bush if the core was safe if they taking obj and prioritize his gold at the same time dude that roles is freaking complicated, if you dont know how to play your role you'll loss
The entire Onic team fell short in the grand finals. Throughout each game, there was consistently someone underperforming, but it wasn't the same person every time. 😅 Defensive mechanism daw ng indo, tapos i point out si butts na nag underperform 😂
@@mydilemma447 Only carrying if its Novaria and Lylia, and the reason Novaria is always open is because Kairi's heroes are prio ban. If they would prio ban Sanz heroes, then he would be a sitting duck with an Yve. Plus, whenever Onic pick Novaria, they prio ban/pick Minotaur to prevent counter. If your team/coach gives you this much advantage, then its no surprise you should perform well. Now imagine, Onic don't have Kari. Oposing team have freedom to ban other heroes (Sanz's heroes) that have big impact to the game.
Im not even from sea, but in my opinion kairi dont deserve being overprotected, neither being hated. The fact is, only cw and sanz were consistent in the finals. And in my opinion, this is kinda Yeb's fault for not having answers and adjusting for bren drafts, especially thamuz.
Yes he did not but his fan (mostly overpride pinoy) does deserved the hate. Yall overhyped him and discredited his teammate. The fact that sanz and kiboy carrying kairi in the finale, lol karma
@@mydilemma447Kairi can’t carry if BREN’s target is him. They’re shutting him down and zoning him out. With that, Sanz and CW can play freely. Analyze the game before saying something stupid.
@@klyzer5725nope, actually without all of them 5 team communicate each other, they will never play beautiful strategy like that. You have to watch their mic check. But, unfortunately at the end of final its not just 1 player mistakes. Its all about one team. Can't blame only to Kairi because this is team game, not solo game. Win or Lose They're already bring a good game.
People should also understand to SOME extent onics playstyle has always been for butts to be underfarmed..its why they picked fredrin and dirot full tank so butts just plays for uti
Chickn is the best exp in NA, and I fully believe he has the insane potential to be the best in the world. They're both good but it's honestly expected theyd rival eachother, even if ones comes out on top like how chickn did him
He underperformed everyone even the best players have a bad day it's normal shit is tricky it always comes when you wouldn't expect it no matter how hard you fight a bad day it's a bad day for a reason. Flap didn't even pressure him much and he still gapped so much.
Idk if it's Onic's strats to have Butss die and meatshield so that kairi cw sanz are untouched for as long as possible - many of his deaths leave me puzzled, like there was no real need for him to do so, so it could just be part of their overall strat
imagine if si edward lumipat sa onic id next season. exp - edward jungler - kairi roam - kiboy midlane - sanz gold lane - CW grabeng upgrade siguro yan. pero di naman na siguro aalis si edward sa blck kasi di naman ata nagkakalayo kinikita niya sa blck and if lilipat siya sa indo. tas nandito na rin families and friends niya. what if lang takaga
Kaya nga malayo sa laruan ni Dlar noong m3. Barakong EXP ang wala noong game 7 kaya baog sa rotation. Nakakasabay sila noong una kaso naunti-untian sila ng AP Bren.
Filo here, but imo gotta admit Kairi did not perform as good as expected, but it's hard to say when a jungler underperform because his playstyle will be affected by the team's dynamics. So it could be that due to Buts underperforming, he had to cover more space than usual which affected his performance. The key to winning championship is to have no weakest link. See all the PH champions in the past, all their roles were played spectacularly.
@@gracebl2162 yes he did the best. I also think onic choaches didn't prepared enough for that counter play. Because onic gameplay rely much on kairi farming ability.
Ik he underperform but he deserves some respect many clippers just put some clickbait,in the video venus just commenting not saying something like he wad trash or smth
Yes correct po si Butss din talaga nakita namin. Tama self-defense mechanism ng indo na i blame si Kairi, d naman niya kasalanan yun since yun talaga role ng tank yung mag face check, sisihij niyo di Butts na lumayo siya dun sa bush kahit angdaming cc ng exp lane hero niya.
Actually we do blame and hate our fellow Indonesian pro player as well. Like lemon, skylar, coach acil, the whole evos team, etc. It's just that for kairi, there's a clear line of girls defending him. But for other player? Those girls don't even care. But why did the girls defend kairi? Cuz he's handsome lol.
I dont believe venus so called statement, he totally forget that buts got many penalty zone for onic, this guy just subjective and dont want to admit thay kairi is underperforming
For my own opinion, I think Butss did not underperform so much during the matches coz we can still see his plays during the teamfights, Onic just played how they play the game by giving Butss the teamfighting EXP laners while having CW to carry at the late game and they have been successful in that approach. Bren just didn't give time for Onic to achieve their form in the late game that's why they won all their games before 15 mins, that's just how strong the early game of AP BREN...
Team fighting exp or not. 90% of the time, there was a zoning and gold gap between exp laners. It's usually the other member, cw/sanz or even kiboy who saves them from a bad early. But it's safe to say he definitely underperformed in the finals and some of the matches in the tourney. It's hard to always give it your A game and all players under perform every now and then. Same goes for Butts. Just look at the difference in the presennce of the exp laners.
did not underperform? Have you even watch the series? The dude literally always 2-3 levels behind against Flap... what's even worst he's also 2k-3k gold gap against flap... And you still have the audacity to say he did not underperform? 🤣🤣 What cave are you living in?
Its true. Veenus is not the only one to say this..many other analysts and pro player have said this...but his poor performance went under cover because everyone puts spotlight on Kairi. Only CW was the most consistent for Onic but in finals his play style was compromised
whatever.. imo onic still has alot of room to improve their chemistry idk why but i can see that current lineup will he unstoppable when they reach their peak chemistry.. its not like bren clean sweep onic.. they just lost 1 game against them
as an indo fan i think flap,edward,bomba outshined butts and kairi was good this m5 i think there was little mistake in draft which Ap bern Capabilitied
Sa observation ko lang po. Hindi naman bad pick Yve, nabasa lang ni coach ducky na bait lang na midlane ung Kadita kya next nyang gnawa binanned nya ung mga comfort pick ni sanz. Naforce tuloy mg labas Yve Onic tpos dhil laki ng lamang ni flap sa lane nya mas maaga sya nkakapunta sa clash Sandstorm tuloy lagi sa mukha si Yve. si butts nmn nging reactive nlng lagi sa kung ano ggwin ni flap dhil nga gap sya. Galing tlga ng 3time mseries champ coach ducky. At syempre AP Bren solid. #BrenLangMalakas
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose. In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country. Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor. Not only him but also his family. That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family. So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
yung sinasabi ni veenus na imaximize ng blacklist ang utility/healing roam support ang bren gumawa hahahahha ginawa ng bren yung dati lineup na blacklist na double healing meta mathilda +faramis na kasamang tank jungle hahhahaha
wtf? Indo people doesn't discriminate between Filipino or Indonesian.. Maybe it's just him being so usually discriminated by people? And reasoning with his experience lol
bugbog naman buong onic sa laning e. si sanz lang nakakasabay kay pheww kasi passive naman talaga mga hero ni pheww unlike kay sanz na killer mages talaga si pheww ay more on support type. pero exp bugbog kay flap, sa gold lane laging lamang si marco, sa jungle ay halos sabay lang, sa roam di ka makaporma si kiboy kay owgwen. AP BREN is just better, walang nag underperform sa onic, mas malakas lang talaga BREN nung finals. Pero kung BL ang finals vs Onic, baka champ onic, talo sa mentally ang BL mas madali sila ma tilt gawa ng frist timer yung iba and medyo bago pa yung roster. sa crucial times medyo nagkakagulo na sila. unlike sa BREN na solid na solid na talaga, walang kakaba kaba kumbaga
maganda come back ginawa ng bren ng ma 3-0 sila ng onic, my ibubuga talaga onic, nahabol pa nila 1-3 , tingin ko kahit d na pitas si kairi, kaya onic manalo e, un last match nila na tambak onic, nabaligtad pa ng onic, na 3-0 pa bren
Si butss talaga ang butas kahit nung against deus at blck alam ko na magiging problema ng onic si butss. Kasi realtalk lang malakas Onic lalo sa mechanics, pero iba lang talaga yung bren pag dating sa early macro nila, di maka sabay Onic. si Kyle underrated sa macro tbh ginapped nya si Kairi ng bahagya, pero respect Kay Sanz ibang level din pinakita, dko nakitaan ng kapalpakan sa game, kaya Yung mga basher na naiinis sa tp tp at pati physical appearance pinuna na Lang ng mga toxic fans di nila mahanapan ng flaws sa game eh😂
Nalugi talaga c butss k flap sa lane. Nung phovius lng sya nakabawe, nung magndang pang counter phovius nag wanwan c supermarco. Sa isip2 ko nga parang na outdraft bren nun.
It's crazy how much Butss getting these hates. You can't blame him if Coach Yeb drafted and flexed a freaking Fredrinn in EXP lane. While Coach Duckey had something under his sleeves, a Thamuz that was surprisingly tilted Onic. Just look when Yeb drafted a right pick for him which was a great pick in Phoveus (I think it was in game 6), and he simply carried. Yeb kept giving him Terizla and kept ignoring Khaleed. It was clearly a coaching problem, not to mention coach Yeb's gimmick drafting in game 7. It's not like Butss played terribly bad, it was just Flap played better than anyone else, he was simply the best player on both teams that series. Kiboy can't do his playmaking like ge used to, they even opened the Kaja for him. Kairi still not a great utility jungler. CW with his countless mistakes. It's not solely on one player, and it's definitely not on Butss.
Butss is always 3k gold/exp behind his counterpart Flap. Regardless of hero used, being a PRO players gives you no excuse to underperform. It’s more on the mechanics and the utilization of the hero given to you, regardless of any given situation. Besides, it was only on game 6 where butss woke up from his deep sleep. That was the only game (out of the 7games) when he was USEFUL for Onic
@@vonthegreat55 again, his phov performed well because it was good against bren's comp. i think the comment above means that if buts was given better heroes, it wouldve been different. Buts has a pretty big hero pool but the coaches had different ideas. cant blame buts solely can you
Have you seen Flap's performance? That performance alone totally speaks a lot about my point. I can't explain further. But I guess, since MLBB is not just a 1-man game, the blame should not be forced towards Butss alone. 😏🙉
@@vonthegreat55 but that's not Butss fault because he wasn't getting outclassed in his lane. They simply can't win turtles, and Butss always had to sacrifice his life in every contest. While Kairi in most times doesn't even care about contesting, he would be more happy to take Kyle's red buff than contesting the turtle. Kiboy also had a lot of mistakes, it wasn't solely on Butss just because Flap was having a field time against Onic. How do you call Kairi's Akai then? Kyle was lvl 15 and Kairi was still lvl10/11, he also played Hayabusa and fsiled to assassinate someone. But it wasn't Kairi's fault, nor Butss, nor Kiboy, nobody's fault it is. Bren just got the better gameplan and coach Duckey had the blueprint to outdraft coach Yeb. At the end of the day, Bren was just the more cohesive team and they came out on top. Everyone played great, that series wouldn't have gone to game 7 if someone is playing very bad.
@@vonthegreat55 have you also seen Kyletzy's performance? How much turtles and lord takes he got? I'm a Filipino and I know for sure you won't say anything bad to Kairi. You guys just love to blame someone even though it can be either Kairi's lack of mastery in utility junglers or coach Yeb's drafts folding in the grandfinals. But I don't blame them, I don't blame anyone. Bren was just the better team period. You might as well take a shot at Edward because they got 3-O'ed against Bren. Flap also played great that series.
I do agree on this, but not entirely. As everyone must have realized it's the bad draft most of the time, but each Onic players underperform every different games. Butss can't keep up to Flaptzy on some games, CW over extended ( WW vs Lylia 1v1 moment ), Kiboy playing his Tigreal and Chou way too passive ( He tried too hard to surprise Bren by going around them ), Sanz walking up to a closed bush a few times which RARELY Sanz ever do, and Kairi missing lots of his retribution ( imagine having a 90% retribution ratio and it falls down to 50% in a single match, that's rough ). I hate people who blamed them, even with all these missplays they put on a 3-4 game in GF. They should be praised not blamed on.
@@motivatedbyvergildantenero2315 yeah I think bren won this because of 3 things, flaptyz, shutting down Sanz kiboy and butss (space maker for cw and kairi), and their great in game decision making. That's not even counting the insane mind games coach duckey was playing with yeb, forcing that yve pick to sans and also that making kiboy use kaditha.
And I say flaptyz because the amount of Pressure he gives to the backlines and also kairi, guy burning skills from onic and even nicking some objectives, and all bren games won was when he was on point, that zoning he did was just eye opening on how xp laners are controlling games right now.
sumablay si kiboy, butss at sanz sa pag create ng space pra kila cw at kairi kaya ang ending ung jungler/kairi ang nag checheck bush instead n focus nlng sna siya s objectives nya. sa sobrang sanay nila sa bardagulan d n sila sanay dumipensa.
ONIC won every match except the Final. But AP Bren UNO reversed and countered them in rematch. Still ONIC deserve the credit for being 2nd strongest team still. Also the grand final was comeback after comeback leading up to Game 7. Match point comebacks. Full match point fights. One of the best Grandfinals of M series ever. But AP bren deserves the whole thing. Ap bren made even bigger comeback . From almost being eliminated to Rematch in Finals again. Onic is getting hate right now but But remember Onic and Apbren defeated all other 14 teams to reach grandfinals. Even going to Grandfinal is a achievement. We literally went 3 : 3 up to game 7. I see a lot of NA players and other country players clowning Kairi right now. But some of your team did not even make it to wild card and knock out stages. Why are guys hating ONiC now? ONIC lost the finals but they are still the 2ND strongest M5 team. Congrats AP BREN for being the Best team in M5 though. Flaptzy MVP. GOATED thamuz.
I dont think its butts thou. He is the only one who didnt lose hope even until the last clash ended. For me, its Sanz and Kboy. Throughout the grand finals, they forgot that one of the most important thing that their role should do is to break the opponents focus and distract (spamming recall is actually part of thier game). As you have noticed on the previous fight they had, once the opposing team gets distracted and got taunted, they always won the clash but during the grand finals, its another story. Owgwen is exerting the dominance. He even singlehandedly dismantled sanz and kboy's mind games. And for that, they lost badly. Its not the usual kairi that we saw coz their coms was not precise anymore. To add, he and kboy got focused on by bren.
Not definitely a threat, it's just that Onic's coach is good but in the end he got outsmarted and didn't expect some heroes that will get used in exp lane which destroyed his plans, the Thamuz pick and the Faramis counter pick.
Naaral ng husto ng Bren Ang Onic, from coach Duckey goal nya na matanggalan ng comfort hero Si Kairi. Na aral ng husto ang rotation at position. Kaya na ambush sa mapa
Butss, aside from lacking appeal, I also can't understand why he's the team captain. You call yourself team captain but afraid of holding a microphone during interviews it seems like he hasn't been through a school presentation before..
SA TOTOO ANG KAHINAAN NG MG INDO TEAM IS THE "IS THE FAIL SAFE CONCEPT" SA LARO IBIG SABIHIN WHAT IF YUN ISANG PLAYERS IS NAMATAY ANU YUN FAIL SAFE CONCEPT STRAT NILA PARA MAPUNAN YUN GAP SA GAME DBA, YUN ANG WALA SA INDO KAY NATATALO SILA...
Well it’s true that kairi made a mistake but it’s true that if kairi teammates is better he wouldn’t make such silly mistake whatever we are just viewers what’s there to judge someone when some players is skilled too but can’t beat pressure kairi is good I wonder how kairi will take this it would be terrible if he blamed himself too much blaming yourself too much will make you weak
Between the top 3 teams, it was Edward who underperformed the whole M5 series. Just check the M5 player statistics, he's at rank 69 (Butss rank at 41) where his teammates rank at 32, 33, 34 & 36. Just so you know V33...it could have been Ph Vs Ph if Edward didn't under perform.
KDA, TP, GPM, DPM dont mean that much in the exp lane that much speaking of experience. You give space for your teammates. I often get bad KDA as bad as 0.3 but it doesnt matter cuz we win. The reason why Edward had a very low statistics is because he roamed a lot more and trying to hunt down specific targets rather than go on teamfights and get kills or assists that results in overall good stats. One example of this is Hoon having a better KDA overall than Sanz if im not mistaken but look at them they didnt even reach in the KO stage bruv. Stats dont matter as much as in game decision and macromanagement
Losing a game doesn't make you a bad player. Edward is a league of his own and stats doesn't actually mirror his gameplay since Edward is a team player and he was the pseudo-roamer tank of Blacklist since Renejay doesn't play hard tank that much.
Naka 4 man set siya noong clash sadya wala respo kasi ung mage yve tapos ang hero niya ay hindi mga impact hero kay flap damage hero eh like khaleed paquito arlot compare nyo kay butts na poro mabagal hero fred exp masha exp terizla tignan mo noong nag phov si butts damage napa abot ng game 7 kaya wag husga comparemuna ng draft
Rivalry bang matatawag ang PH vs Indo? Kahit bilangan mo lahat ng M series and MSC na see you soon pa nagchamp kahit isama mo na yung sa national team, di ko talaga mapagtanto na rival silang matatawag. Siguro Trashtalking nalang nagpaparelevant sa Indo 😅
Guys correction "Butas" means "Hole" not "Whole".. Sorry typo guys.. effect of keep thinking the "Whole M5" part hehe 😂✌️
NAKO PRE KAKASUHAN KA NA HAHAHAHA DE jk
u mean But+hole? 😂😂
It does mean hole”. It means boots.
@@insectiontv4287 Huh?
Sayang d magegets ng indo ang whole haha
What wise said is true! If Onic has an exp laner like kidbomba, Edward and Flap? It’s done! Give the trophy to Onic already
Haaaaa kidterizla??🤣
Just happy to see recognition from the best players around the world to Edward ❤
He under performed po
I love Butts, and he has been great for Onic. But this M5, he definitely underperformed. Well, Kairi was playing the utilities so he didn't have the Assassin highlights like the other series, but his retri and overall game were solid till the finals. Kiboy, Sanz, and CW carried Onic for most of the tourney. Finals was a different story altogether.
I think everyone can agree that Flap was the best exp in the tournament, better than Edwards and KidBomba for me, and Butts was supposed to keep up with him, which he couldn't at all. I feel like Sanford would've been the best exp for this Onic lineup.
CW woke up by G4. Kiboy and Sanz were fertilizer for Bren, they didn't carry.
@@OxygenC2 they messed up in finals. From draft to macro plays, mistakes everywhere. I was rooting hard for them, it was just sad to see.
If onic wants to win M6 they need a better exp laner and I would agree Sanford is one of the best exp laner rn even tho butts is good he isn't confident enough when going against flap
Through the series he did pretty good tbh the only time he underperformed was during the finals
Kairi always has this guving in to pressure in M series. This happen in M3 too when he was with Onic Ph
He underperforme too when use dirrot, Benedetta when vs blacklist. I don't know he underperforme when vs Filipino
@@aryategar-jx1rvunderperforming is a result of good draft of opponent or good opponent. When you underperform, that doesn’t mean that you did it on purpose. Game 1 of onic vs blck is clearly a download game. That onic draft was a mess
They pushed Fredrinn Exp, you can't really make plays with that
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose.
In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country.
Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor.
Not only him but also his family.
That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family.
So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
bren did mention post match interview they intentionally target kairi which gave the rest of the team more slack.
I experienced a couple of times getting 4 out of 5 bans in a tournament (sometimes all 5 if I last pick) and this resulted in my team playing out of their minds while I am just raking in deaths xD
True story, my experience might not be international level but it does give me empathy for those that got targeted in games as a core strategy.
In the novel/anime Kings' avatar they call this the "Rookie Block" because this usually affects star rookies where they shine and only later on be targeted on succeeding games after which then, results in underperformance.
Point is, I don't see why Butss is underperforming despite those facts.
bro they only banned joy and nolan. kairi's hero pool is way more than that.
@@MarkClaus-c4eyeah im surprised kairi didnt use his comfort hero ling, fanny and lancelot.
@@asxan-d4bhe got scared and tried to play it safe to use utility tank jungle to match enemies utility tank jungle.
Which he shouldn't, he should have played assassin heroes, but even then he might still not win due to tanky drafts Bren had, they know kaira too well. Bren won by a large margin
ling really?😂 Look how bren bodied kairi in his jungle even in utility heroes.
Wahahahha. Using fanny and Ur opponent is bren. Suicide
In fairness and equality, it was coach Duckey who exposed the weakness of BUTSSS by drafting compositions that will allow BUTSSS to underperform.
Usually, BUTSSS is a type of an EXP laner who plays a style wherein YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON HIM (the opposing exp laner). If you force BUTSSS to react on a playstyle that lets him focus on other players rather than himself, he plays average. That is why, usually, ONIC drafts EXP laners that focus on sustain (YZ, TERIZLA, sometimes URANUS or ESMERALDA) so that opposing exp laners won't join team fights because all will focus more on BUTSSS, while he does his thing. If you put exp laners that are like LAPU2, BENEDETTA, PAQUITO or fighters that are kinda explosive and do split pushing, BUTSSS will be forced to answer the threats of those heroes instead of joining team fights, and since it's more sustain type of EXP, he is much more needed in team fights rather than answer the threats of the explosive exp laners.
Basically, FLAPTZY has shown us he can do more playstyles that are both passive and active exp laners. Sanford as well. When NATHZZZ is given a paquito, he can sometimes be like the top exp laners, but most of the time he is kinda passive. Edward also is like flap and Sanford, but recently, because of team compositions, he doesn't use explosive exp laners, mostly setting exp laners like Terizla
It's true. That was my point in game 3 and 4. Not good positioning, always got outsmarted by Flap and he keeps on feedling (I'm not sure which game is that, the one where Kairi used Haya)
When Flap picked Thamuz, Buts was completely gapped
The paquito of flap, literally butss is gap 💀
Honestly I was thinking the same at first like how Veenus thought about Butss. "What happen to him? He usually engage the fight already but he is being pushed." Something like that 👌
I think Onic thought their playstyle/startegy will not be countered anymore because they havent lost a game. But in the finals, Bren did something else which surprised Onic.
Onic shines most in late game, they should have realized that already during the matches but I think they have forgotten for some reason during game 7. They should have retreated and waited for their core items. If the enemy team can melt your tank quickly, how much more for quishy heroes like mages.
agree. there are so many instances when exp laners will respond to turtle/lord. The other team EXP will clear 1 minion wave and still be on time for the turtle fight, while butts will TP to their base, missed that 1 minion wave and still be late on that turtle fight. The reason why he is always 2-3k gold behind.
imo, ik im not an analyst, but from what i can see from onic's playstyle, it has always been about kairi, sanz & cw carrying. buts have taken a role where he became sort of the "sacrificial lamb" for the greater good of the team. there have been many instances throughout the year not necessarily in m5, where onic players may have blundered a little, it could be kairi, it could be sanz or cw, but before the opponent could pounce on it buts would dive it and sacrifice himself so that the others wouldnt die. because 4 man onic can beat almost all teams. sometimes it was overextending and you only see buts dying and then the other 4 just leave him be because they know how to 4v5 against teams. im not a pro but they always say every player has their jobdesc, and i think for buts is to not lose lane and to not let his teammates die even if it means dying himself. he is not like other exp laners that may have some specialty as setters like flap, divers like sanford, etc but the winning formula for onic all year long has always been letting the other 4 dominate while buts doesnt do any other extra plays outside his jobdesc
You're on point
FLap outplayed him
which is exactly why it was bad matchup for him specially to onic, and this is also the reason why he is the loophole.
butts is usually good, onic playstyle is to make sure he has the winning lane because cw could usually farm even at a disadvantage. just did not feel him in the finals. probably, flap is just a good counter for him
Flaptzy is just that good 😂😂
i think what "butas" meant in their conversation is butts is the weakest link on their group, just translate it figuratively not literal "hole"😅
Thats why exp lane is the most important role in the game, tanking damage, support damage, zone/checking bush if the core was safe if they taking obj and prioritize his gold at the same time dude that roles is freaking complicated, if you dont know how to play your role you'll loss
"Butass" while menacingly laughing 💀
The entire Onic team fell short in the grand finals. Throughout each game, there was consistently someone underperforming, but it wasn't the same person every time. 😅
Defensive mechanism daw ng indo, tapos i point out si butts na nag underperform 😂
Pls sanz carrying in every game. The comeback happened cuz of his novaria
@@mydilemma447 Only carrying if its Novaria and Lylia, and the reason Novaria is always open is because Kairi's heroes are prio ban. If they would prio ban Sanz heroes, then he would be a sitting duck with an Yve.
Plus, whenever Onic pick Novaria, they prio ban/pick Minotaur to prevent counter. If your team/coach gives you this much advantage, then its no surprise you should perform well.
Now imagine, Onic don't have Kari. Oposing team have freedom to ban other heroes (Sanz's heroes) that have big impact to the game.
Ang slow mo grabe di mo gets sinabi niya??
@@fire_gwell said repa
Outdraft lng sila 😅 mlkas lng bren pag early game pag late game na laglag
Im not even from sea, but in my opinion kairi dont deserve being overprotected, neither being hated. The fact is, only cw and sanz were consistent in the finals. And in my opinion, this is kinda Yeb's fault for not having answers and adjusting for bren drafts, especially thamuz.
Eh, I think only CW was consistently good on ONIC in the GF. Sanz had his dominating moments but he also had his screw ups here and there.
@@randylianabella4861 i think this is true, but he wasn't as "diff" as the other 3 imo
Sanz is great its just yve is not mrta anymore, its coach yeb mistake @@randylianabella4861
Yebs draft in the finals was fked upp
@@landen583 kinda disappointing for me, they usually are the ones who have secret picks, but they got oudrafted hard
Kairi not deserve the hate 😅
Yes he did not but his fan (mostly overpride pinoy) does deserved the hate. Yall overhyped him and discredited his teammate. The fact that sanz and kiboy carrying kairi in the finale, lol karma
@@mydilemma447when💀
@@mydilemma447Kairi can’t carry if BREN’s target is him. They’re shutting him down and zoning him out. With that, Sanz and CW can play freely. Analyze the game before saying something stupid.
@@mydilemma447if onic won = kiboy and sanz the carry, onic lost = kairi the impostor, lmao.
ap bren is just way too good 🥱 skill issue.
@@klyzer5725nope, actually without all of them 5 team communicate each other, they will never play beautiful strategy like that. You have to watch their mic check. But, unfortunately at the end of final its not just 1 player mistakes. Its all about one team. Can't blame only to Kairi because this is team game, not solo game. Win or Lose They're already bring a good game.
People should also understand to SOME extent onics playstyle has always been for butts to be underfarmed..its why they picked fredrin and dirot full tank so butts just plays for uti
Well even Chicken was winning against Butts 1vs1 in M4.
Chickn is the best exp in NA, and I fully believe he has the insane potential to be the best in the world. They're both good but it's honestly expected theyd rival eachother, even if ones comes out on top like how chickn did him
@@onetwofrancis yeah true
Fax. I didn't even notice Butss.
He underperformed everyone even the best players have a bad day it's normal shit is tricky it always comes when you wouldn't expect it no matter how hard you fight a bad day it's a bad day for a reason. Flap didn't even pressure him much and he still gapped so much.
Idk if it's Onic's strats to have Butss die and meatshield so that kairi cw sanz are untouched for as long as possible - many of his deaths leave me puzzled, like there was no real need for him to do so, so it could just be part of their overall strat
Yeah I thought so too
Kidbomba also said it butss was the prob😢 Even chantelle’s ex bf justin? He also said the same
imagine if si edward lumipat sa onic id next season.
exp - edward
jungler - kairi
roam - kiboy
midlane - sanz
gold lane - CW
grabeng upgrade siguro yan. pero di naman na siguro aalis si edward sa blck kasi di naman ata nagkakalayo kinikita niya sa blck and if lilipat siya sa indo. tas nandito na rin families and friends niya. what if lang takaga
Kaya nga malayo sa laruan ni Dlar noong m3. Barakong EXP ang wala noong game 7 kaya baog sa rotation. Nakakasabay sila noong una kaso naunti-untian sila ng AP Bren.
Filo here, but imo gotta admit Kairi did not perform as good as expected, but it's hard to say when a jungler underperform because his playstyle will be affected by the team's dynamics. So it could be that due to Buts underperforming, he had to cover more space than usual which affected his performance. The key to winning championship is to have no weakest link.
See all the PH champions in the past, all their roles were played spectacularly.
Kairi did lose most of 50-50 retri, except that steal from joy.
I think bren found way to counter his farming style, so he can't use damage jungler instead of utility ones which he isn't very good at.
@@TakaTinHey Flaptzy help in invading and zoning. Making Kairi having a hard time
@@gracebl2162 yes he did the best. I also think onic choaches didn't prepared enough for that counter play. Because onic gameplay rely much on kairi farming ability.
It hard for rtz to retri . flaptzy zone dem compared to buts @@handrianoperwira2626
I think it's kiboy who underferformed, his chou, kaja and afk tigreal are non factor. No vision, no zone, just pure hiding in bushes
How his tigreal Afk?? is it about yhe production?
@@reboltv4246 he just chose to hide in bush i think for 3 mins waiting for nothing
@@reality4861 Damn what the heck
Ik he underperform but he deserves some respect many clippers just put some clickbait,in the video venus just commenting not saying something like he wad trash or smth
i agree he did great with PHOVEUS only
Yes correct po si Butss din talaga nakita namin.
Tama self-defense mechanism ng indo na i blame si Kairi, d naman niya kasalanan yun since yun talaga role ng tank yung mag face check, sisihij niyo di Butts na lumayo siya dun sa bush kahit angdaming cc ng exp lane hero niya.
Yup a lot of exp gap in the final game ngl
Imo the reason for their loss was drafting on game 7, kiboy should had gone for proper tvank/support.
Exp laners serves as the secondary tank, setter on any 5 man team. In the last moments, butss just staying not doing the role of finding bren players
Actually we do blame and hate our fellow Indonesian pro player as well. Like lemon, skylar, coach acil, the whole evos team, etc. It's just that for kairi, there's a clear line of girls defending him. But for other player? Those girls don't even care. But why did the girls defend kairi? Cuz he's handsome lol.
I dont believe venus so called statement, he totally forget that buts got many penalty zone for onic, this guy just subjective and dont want to admit thay kairi is underperforming
For my own opinion, I think Butss did not underperform so much during the matches coz we can still see his plays during the teamfights, Onic just played how they play the game by giving Butss the teamfighting EXP laners while having CW to carry at the late game and they have been successful in that approach. Bren just didn't give time for Onic to achieve their form in the late game that's why they won all their games before 15 mins, that's just how strong the early game of AP BREN...
Team fighting exp or not. 90% of the time, there was a zoning and gold gap between exp laners. It's usually the other member, cw/sanz or even kiboy who saves them from a bad early. But it's safe to say he definitely underperformed in the finals and some of the matches in the tourney. It's hard to always give it your A game and all players under perform every now and then. Same goes for Butts. Just look at the difference in the presennce of the exp laners.
Flap outperformed him so much
He only performed well with the terizla. Comfort pick.
did not underperform? Have you even watch the series? The dude literally always 2-3 levels behind against Flap... what's even worst he's also 2k-3k gold gap against flap... And you still have the audacity to say he did not underperform? 🤣🤣 What cave are you living in?
Is underperforming and being outperformed is the same thing?? Just like in M4 can you say that Edward underperformed against Sanford in the Finals??
wdym? He even has his 5 people Penalty Zone on BLCK?
For me FlapTzy was a MONSTER on the finals.. 💯👌🏻🇵🇭
Its true. Veenus is not the only one to say this..many other analysts and pro player have said this...but his poor performance went under cover because everyone puts spotlight on Kairi. Only CW was the most consistent for Onic but in finals his play style was compromised
it is indeed Butss has been underperforming especially that Final series . Kairi needed him the most . Lost of connection !
Even Kiboy underperformed in the finals. His signature chou and kaja didn’t do shit. There was no impact what so ever. Just kept on feeding
real
too hard to read the subs brother .use another colour>?
I think kairi would be best if he woukd play for blacklist. He would play with his Bataan friends Edward, renejay and coach Bonchan.
whatever.. imo onic still has alot of room to improve their chemistry idk why but i can see that current lineup will he unstoppable when they reach their peak chemistry.. its not like bren clean sweep onic.. they just lost 1 game against them
Tama tlaga si veenus Kay butss (Butass😂) kulang ksi ung impact 2 to 3k gold gap ng counterpart
as an indo fan i think flap,edward,bomba outshined butts and kairi was good this m5
i think there was little mistake in draft which Ap bern Capabilitied
Capa what ? I think you mean capitalised 🤣
Butts gave his minions to feed Kairi, that is why he always had a gap gold
shutdown butts and kairi the 3 AI indo will panic
Sa observation ko lang po. Hindi naman bad pick Yve, nabasa lang ni coach ducky na bait lang na midlane ung Kadita kya next nyang gnawa binanned nya ung mga comfort pick ni sanz. Naforce tuloy mg labas Yve Onic tpos dhil laki ng lamang ni flap sa lane nya mas maaga sya nkakapunta sa clash Sandstorm tuloy lagi sa mukha si Yve. si butts nmn nging reactive nlng lagi sa kung ano ggwin ni flap dhil nga gap sya. Galing tlga ng 3time mseries champ coach ducky. At syempre AP Bren solid. #BrenLangMalakas
Just talk about the fact that kairi is PH people. Is enough to explain why onlc lnd lose.
In mentality Kairi have a big pressure from his home country.
Imagine if he help lnd win? How PH People will brand him as traitor.
Not only him but also his family.
That's is 99% what would have happens. And the dictatorship history of this PH is still strong. So the pressure not only came from PH people but also from their government to the kairi or his family.
So it's only natural that he underperforming in the final.
Butts is an Indonesian version of Mielow in M5🙄 Always taking unnecessary fight and died in between the process.
Lack of hero pools
yung sinasabi ni veenus na imaximize ng blacklist ang utility/healing roam support ang bren gumawa hahahahha
ginawa ng bren yung dati lineup na blacklist na double healing meta mathilda +faramis na kasamang tank jungle hahhahaha
The queens spoke facts.
He was being gapped by Flaptzy. He is not solely to be blamed though. Yeb drafted badly for Game 7 and Kiboy missed a lot of his Kadita combos.
ONIC's draft is to surprised BREN unfortunately Kiboloy is surprised. He can't perfrom well wout KAIRI dying.
It's not only Coach Yeb. Coach Adi also part of drafting
Its not about drafting, its about how buttss play in exp lane. Flap is way more ahead of him
Sanz too. He was getting caught often by Flap and Kyle. His positioning in game 7 isn't as good when he's using Novaria or Gord.
Lol coach yeb will not suggest 2nd pick kadita without banning faramis . Im sure that adi strat game 7
I think the right term is "Outperformed"
wtf? Indo people doesn't discriminate between Filipino or Indonesian..
Maybe it's just him being so usually discriminated by people? And reasoning with his experience lol
Even Kidbomba said it.
Mobazane too
She's not happy when butss ulted a 5 men penalty zone on blacklist...FACTS..
The irony of this clip LOL
bugbog naman buong onic sa laning e. si sanz lang nakakasabay kay pheww kasi passive naman talaga mga hero ni pheww unlike kay sanz na killer mages talaga si pheww ay more on support type. pero exp bugbog kay flap, sa gold lane laging lamang si marco, sa jungle ay halos sabay lang, sa roam di ka makaporma si kiboy kay owgwen. AP BREN is just better, walang nag underperform sa onic, mas malakas lang talaga BREN nung finals. Pero kung BL ang finals vs Onic, baka champ onic, talo sa mentally ang BL mas madali sila ma tilt gawa ng frist timer yung iba and medyo bago pa yung roster. sa crucial times medyo nagkakagulo na sila. unlike sa BREN na solid na solid na talaga, walang kakaba kaba kumbaga
maganda come back ginawa ng bren ng ma 3-0 sila ng onic, my ibubuga talaga onic, nahabol pa nila 1-3 , tingin ko kahit d na pitas si kairi, kaya onic manalo e, un last match nila na tambak onic, nabaligtad pa ng onic, na 3-0 pa bren
Si butss talaga ang butas kahit nung against deus at blck alam ko na magiging problema ng onic si butss. Kasi realtalk lang malakas Onic lalo sa mechanics, pero iba lang talaga yung bren pag dating sa early macro nila, di maka sabay Onic. si Kyle underrated sa macro tbh ginapped nya si Kairi ng bahagya, pero respect Kay Sanz ibang level din pinakita, dko nakitaan ng kapalpakan sa game, kaya Yung mga basher na naiinis sa tp tp at pati physical appearance pinuna na Lang ng mga toxic fans di nila mahanapan ng flaws sa game eh😂
flap is the real mvp of that game
Full Clip Returns to Blacklist 🔥
Nalugi talaga c butss k flap sa lane. Nung phovius lng sya nakabawe, nung magndang pang counter phovius nag wanwan c supermarco. Sa isip2 ko nga parang na outdraft bren nun.
HAHAHA Tama SI wise pag SI Edward Yung nag exp sa onic sure win na. Ang lakas Kasi ni flap kaya kaya di makasabay SI butss
It's crazy how much Butss getting these hates. You can't blame him if Coach Yeb drafted and flexed a freaking Fredrinn in EXP lane. While Coach Duckey had something under his sleeves, a Thamuz that was surprisingly tilted Onic. Just look when Yeb drafted a right pick for him which was a great pick in Phoveus (I think it was in game 6), and he simply carried. Yeb kept giving him Terizla and kept ignoring Khaleed. It was clearly a coaching problem, not to mention coach Yeb's gimmick drafting in game 7.
It's not like Butss played terribly bad, it was just Flap played better than anyone else, he was simply the best player on both teams that series. Kiboy can't do his playmaking like ge used to, they even opened the Kaja for him. Kairi still not a great utility jungler. CW with his countless mistakes. It's not solely on one player, and it's definitely not on Butss.
Butss is always 3k gold/exp behind his counterpart Flap. Regardless of hero used, being a PRO players gives you no excuse to underperform. It’s more on the mechanics and the utilization of the hero given to you, regardless of any given situation. Besides, it was only on game 6 where butss woke up from his deep sleep. That was the only game (out of the 7games) when he was USEFUL for Onic
@@vonthegreat55 again, his phov performed well because it was good against bren's comp. i think the comment above means that if buts was given better heroes, it wouldve been different. Buts has a pretty big hero pool but the coaches had different ideas. cant blame buts solely can you
Have you seen Flap's performance? That performance alone totally speaks a lot about my point. I can't explain further. But I guess, since MLBB is not just a 1-man game, the blame should not be forced towards Butss alone. 😏🙉
@@vonthegreat55 but that's not Butss fault because he wasn't getting outclassed in his lane. They simply can't win turtles, and Butss always had to sacrifice his life in every contest. While Kairi in most times doesn't even care about contesting, he would be more happy to take Kyle's red buff than contesting the turtle. Kiboy also had a lot of mistakes, it wasn't solely on Butss just because Flap was having a field time against Onic. How do you call Kairi's Akai then? Kyle was lvl 15 and Kairi was still lvl10/11, he also played Hayabusa and fsiled to assassinate someone. But it wasn't Kairi's fault, nor Butss, nor Kiboy, nobody's fault it is. Bren just got the better gameplan and coach Duckey had the blueprint to outdraft coach Yeb. At the end of the day, Bren was just the more cohesive team and they came out on top. Everyone played great, that series wouldn't have gone to game 7 if someone is playing very bad.
@@vonthegreat55 have you also seen Kyletzy's performance? How much turtles and lord takes he got? I'm a Filipino and I know for sure you won't say anything bad to Kairi. You guys just love to blame someone even though it can be either Kairi's lack of mastery in utility junglers or coach Yeb's drafts folding in the grandfinals. But I don't blame them, I don't blame anyone. Bren was just the better team period. You might as well take a shot at Edward because they got 3-O'ed against Bren. Flap also played great that series.
Is it really a rivalry if its 4-1 in the worlds biggest stage ?
It's 4-3
now they're trying to frame Buts😭😭😂😂😂
I do agree on this, but not entirely.
As everyone must have realized it's the bad draft most of the time, but each Onic players underperform every different games. Butss can't keep up to Flaptzy on some games, CW over extended ( WW vs Lylia 1v1 moment ), Kiboy playing his Tigreal and Chou way too passive ( He tried too hard to surprise Bren by going around them ), Sanz walking up to a closed bush a few times which RARELY Sanz ever do, and Kairi missing lots of his retribution ( imagine having a 90% retribution ratio and it falls down to 50% in a single match, that's rough ).
I hate people who blamed them, even with all these missplays they put on a 3-4 game in GF. They should be praised not blamed on.
all the games that bren won was when butss was underperforming and vice versa the games onic won was when butss was doing fine
@@davenorton3138that's why exp is the most important and hardest role
@LuminousHDX yes exp is an underrated role. You bring pressure to objective fights when you go offlane.
@@motivatedbyvergildantenero2315 yeah I think bren won this because of 3 things, flaptyz, shutting down Sanz kiboy and butss (space maker for cw and kairi), and their great in game decision making. That's not even counting the insane mind games coach duckey was playing with yeb, forcing that yve pick to sans and also that making kiboy use kaditha.
And I say flaptyz because the amount of Pressure he gives to the backlines and also kairi, guy burning skills from onic and even nicking some objectives, and all bren games won was when he was on point, that zoning he did was just eye opening on how xp laners are controlling games right now.
sumablay si kiboy, butss at sanz sa pag create ng space pra kila cw at kairi kaya ang ending ung jungler/kairi ang nag checheck bush instead n focus nlng sna siya s objectives nya. sa sobrang sanay nila sa bardagulan d n sila sanay dumipensa.
Lakas ng impact sa IGN ni BUTTS 😁😆
Tugmang tugma ang sinabi ni wise sa performance ni buts sa Onic
ONIC won every match except the Final.
But AP Bren UNO reversed and countered them in rematch.
Still
ONIC deserve the credit for being 2nd strongest team still.
Also the grand final was comeback after comeback leading up to Game 7.
Match point comebacks.
Full match point fights.
One of the best Grandfinals of M series ever.
But AP bren deserves the whole thing.
Ap bren made even bigger comeback .
From almost being eliminated to Rematch in Finals again.
Onic is getting hate right now
but
But remember Onic and Apbren defeated all other 14 teams to reach grandfinals.
Even going to Grandfinal is a achievement.
We literally went 3 : 3 up to game 7.
I see a lot of NA players and other country players clowning Kairi right now.
But some of your team did not even make it to wild card and knock out stages.
Why are guys hating ONiC now?
ONIC lost the finals but they are still the 2ND strongest M5 team.
Congrats AP BREN for being the Best team in M5 though.
Flaptzy MVP. GOATED thamuz.
I dont think its butts thou. He is the only one who didnt lose hope even until the last clash ended. For me, its Sanz and Kboy. Throughout the grand finals, they forgot that one of the most important thing that their role should do is to break the opponents focus and distract (spamming recall is actually part of thier game). As you have noticed on the previous fight they had, once the opposing team gets distracted and got taunted, they always won the clash but during the grand finals, its another story. Owgwen is exerting the dominance. He even singlehandedly dismantled sanz and kboy's mind games. And for that, they lost badly. Its not the usual kairi that we saw coz their coms was not precise anymore. To add, he and kboy got focused on by bren.
The only threat to Ph is Kairi. shut down kairi, you shut down onic.
Not definitely a threat, it's just that Onic's coach is good but in the end he got outsmarted and didn't expect some heroes that will get used in exp lane which destroyed his plans, the Thamuz pick and the Faramis counter pick.
Butts struggle against best exp laner like Edward and flap
sa totoo lang sa mga taga Indo na players, si R7 ang pinaka consistent na Exp laner.
Indo blaming Kairi
Ph blaming Butss
Phovus only? And what. did butts really do in the whole series and by the way that kiboy is doing on kaja kadita and chou is a blunder 😂
Whole = kabuoan/buo
Hole = butas
🙃
Okay lng.. para iba rin pagka intindi ng mga aliens na nanonood nito 😆
Actually Yeb under preformed in the finals, but you know its pinoy pride...
After m5 wala ng rivalry momshoes, kasi binubugbug lang natin indo
Naaral ng husto ng Bren Ang Onic, from coach Duckey goal nya na matanggalan ng comfort hero Si Kairi. Na aral ng husto ang rotation at position. Kaya na ambush sa mapa
Its hurt but true
Butss, aside from lacking appeal, I also can't understand why he's the team captain. You call yourself team captain but afraid of holding a microphone during interviews it seems like he hasn't been through a school presentation before..
I think so butss didn't shine in M5 in any game
his performance vs blacklist was also so bad reason why blck almost beat onic.
SA TOTOO ANG KAHINAAN NG MG INDO TEAM IS THE "IS THE FAIL SAFE CONCEPT" SA LARO IBIG SABIHIN WHAT IF YUN ISANG PLAYERS IS NAMATAY ANU YUN FAIL SAFE CONCEPT STRAT NILA PARA MAPUNAN YUN GAP SA GAME DBA, YUN ANG WALA SA INDO KAY NATATALO SILA...
Well it’s true that kairi made a mistake but it’s true that if kairi teammates is better he wouldn’t make such silly mistake whatever we are just viewers what’s there to judge someone when some players is skilled too but can’t beat pressure kairi is good I wonder how kairi will take this it would be terrible if he blamed himself too much blaming yourself too much will make you weak
Between the top 3 teams, it was Edward who underperformed the whole M5 series. Just check the M5 player statistics, he's at rank 69 (Butss rank at 41) where his teammates rank at 32, 33, 34 & 36.
Just so you know V33...it could have been Ph Vs Ph if Edward didn't under perform.
Where would these M5 player statistics be?
KDA, TP, GPM, DPM dont mean that much in the exp lane that much speaking of experience. You give space for your teammates. I often get bad KDA as bad as 0.3 but it doesnt matter cuz we win. The reason why Edward had a very low statistics is because he roamed a lot more and trying to hunt down specific targets rather than go on teamfights and get kills or assists that results in overall good stats. One example of this is Hoon having a better KDA overall than Sanz if im not mistaken but look at them they didnt even reach in the KO stage bruv. Stats dont matter as much as in game decision and macromanagement
I guess your blind asf and didn't watched the grand finals
We clearly saw the xp gap
Losing a game doesn't make you a bad player. Edward is a league of his own and stats doesn't actually mirror his gameplay since Edward is a team player and he was the pseudo-roamer tank of Blacklist since Renejay doesn't play hard tank that much.
Like karltzy last season
Naka 4 man set siya noong clash sadya wala respo kasi ung mage yve tapos ang hero niya ay hindi mga impact hero kay flap damage hero eh like khaleed paquito arlot compare nyo kay butts na poro mabagal hero fred exp masha exp terizla tignan mo noong nag phov si butts damage napa abot ng game 7 kaya wag husga comparemuna ng draft
Kairi has become their scape goat. indo teams blame culture there
Rivalry bang matatawag ang PH vs Indo? Kahit bilangan mo lahat ng M series and MSC na see you soon pa nagchamp kahit isama mo na yung sa national team, di ko talaga mapagtanto na rival silang matatawag. Siguro Trashtalking nalang nagpaparelevant sa Indo 😅
Sad, but its true
What time is it? 😂
It's Crying time!
It's Blaming time!
It's Reason time!
We will pause again in M6 😁
Comeback stronger indonesia you can win M60 👴💀
Wow ha butss kuntra flap layu agwàt
Hotdog!
kidbomba said the same.
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Buo-Whole