My mum used to be in the same circle of friends as one of the murdered. She maintains she knows as do many others who did the crime but nobody will talk. I think it's time and who cares if you are labeled a grass, imo this is people's lives so the truth should be known.
@Arst Koben yes I know and didn't say he did do it..I was just responding to the first comment on the latest suspects identity!!..he could be saying that for numerous reasons !!
Not according to police sources and the evidence we have seen. That does not mean it was not true. There is the question as to why get Supt Bright received a call from the Essex Drugs squad 2 hours before the bodies were found. Statement made by him in the Op Obtain enquiry in 2004.
It was probably them that did it in retaliation 4 Leah Betts as her father was an important man within the police force but I don't think we will ever find out the truth.
Not sure why people go on about this case. Some drug dealers got rubbed out by some other gangland heavies. Happens every day all over the world. Their supply killed a girl, and that brought unwanted attention on a lot of people -- at various levels. I understand they were also pretty reckless in how they were operating in terms of threat-making, using their own product etc. A matter of time for these guys, and the same goes for 99% in the same business today, or a thousand years from now.
yeah and him and maybe even Steele would have been freed a lot earlier if they “admitted” to it and did rehabilitation courses which is a huge part of getting parole
Darren Nicholls testimony and phone calls put them in the area at the the time of the killing. At best they were in the area involved in the set up and then fitted up for the actual deed later, though under joint enterprise law you can still get convicted of murder for setting it up
@@jamesfordham251 I belive nichols had a part to do with it and he got steele in the area to set them up to take the fall as steele said he was there to pick up nichols broken down car. You belive steele and wholmes would go and shoot someone in a car with a dodgy gear box 🤣. Police knew they were getting killed that day too they stopped surveillance of the 3 dead the day before the murder
What about the bloke who always had a shotgun in his boot for emergencies and had two dodgy detectives in his pocket look what happened to whiting ended up on the marshes stabbed and shot to death see sometimes is not about the drugs or the money sometimes it’s because you know to much
I actually saw Ronnie Pickering arguing with a motorcyclist at the Rettendon turn off at about 7.01pm that evening. The guy told him he'll go when the cars have gone...
Now that comment flies in the face of the Darren Nicholls story/statement to the police, and surley while DN was grassing people up, if Ronnie Pickering was at the scene, why didn't DN tell the police this?
@Chris Fitzpatrick Yes I know it was a joke. I would like to see Ronnie Pickering spending some time with Darren Nicholls though.Ten Minutes and you'd want to blow your own brains out, let alone someone elses. Oh Yeah Ronnie on a Motorbike, thats not exactly a family orientated mode of transport. Picasso, being comfortable in your own skin, leading a sedentry life comes to mind. A normal car happens with age my man!! just you wait.
THE Sun has the power to open doors that we peasants can't, massive story here, very political, bent coppers, bent prosecution, bent jury, alsorts of BENT in this case. MASSIVE career making story.
23yrs ago the Sun was printing bs stories that it was them, i wouldn't trust um but its good they're bringing it to the attention of the public because that's putting pressure on someone. Does anyone know what health Mick is in? Ms life matters, lol
There is no doubt the two men convicted were intelligent criminals,but there is also no doubt about the accepted professional manner in which the killings were carried out,leaving no forensic evidence of any use etc.. Being a clever criminal and a professional hitman is a whole different thing,It takes a special sort of emotionless,cold steel nerve gained only by experience and/or training to calmly and successfully kill three men in cold blood while keeping your identity hidden. Even though they may be hardened men and had a motive,they are not professional killers and from what I can gather,only part of a long queue of men with a motive to remove them,it seems they were the easiest to convict.
There's a long history of innocent people going down for murder in the country just because they were easy to convict:the Guilford four,Barry George Colin Stagg are just the most well-known
patsy " bolt eyes " clarke. he ordered tucker gone because of the 400,000 cash he stole from him regarding a big job that tucker supplied muscle for. clarke got sent down and tucker spent it. then released on appeal clarke wanted it back. thats why tucker was so withdrawn and hiding away. but also the reason he was desperate for the carrot that was dangled that night. rolfe and tate were collateral damage.
The concept of a professional hit man is something of a rarity in organised crime. If your a drug lord with dozens of violent criminals under your command why would you pay a very expensive hitman? If your a drug lord with 3 men you want dead I imagine your going to have to get your own hands dirty in order to make sure things go how you want them to. I wouldn't trust anyone else with that kind of thing.
it still leaves the question whoever was with them set them up, Pat was warned 3 days prior somebody might sneak up behind him and clip him, so why were they not tooled up?
Leigh Betts or whatever her name was who died from the pills , Dad arranged the hit and carried out by police it’s what I though at the time and never changed my mind , also weird how pills went down hill after that almost like the police were controlling it all along .
For a start she didn't die from acute overdose or dodgy pills she over hydrated herself by drinking an obscene amount of water. And I wouldn't say pills went downhill it's just likely you abused them too often and fried your serotonin receptors
Wasn't Picasso an artist, maybe Ronnie got own personal pics of the scene, do you think that blood spated RR, window would look good at Tate Modern Art Gallery?
Yeah I think along those lines. It's like Steele was told by old bill or high up gangsters to do it and they would not get caught because so many people even police wanted them dead
If you dont know the facts of this case bud maybe a little reaserch wouldnt go a Miss ,,yes case was built around a informant n a self informant at that even before the killings he addmitts it in his book bloggs 19 paranoid Mick became suspicius hrs plenty of reasons hrs been stopped a van full of weed that charge heading Mick up would stop him going to prison Plus get rid of Mick for decades Plus a new ID full family moved oír braintree fases bit the nicest are
Ok my first question, which I’ve been trying to get some kind of “answer” to, but with zero luck: At (approx) 0:25 here, it says the three men “had been blasted to death with a pump-action shotgun”. But in an account given by someone who was ‘very Well placed”, one of the two men who were found guilty in court was alleged to have “opened up on ‘(I forget which man)’, with Both Barrels”. But of course, pump-actions are single-barrelled. So immediately something doesn’t add up there…….
It was put forth in evidence that both a pump action and a swanoff double barrel shot gun was used... In the shooting the double barrel acutlly fell apart when fired, and Mickie was hunting around on the floor for the battles and under grip whilst Jack went round and fired more shots into them. They were laughing about it in the car to Darren Nicholes..
@@jonnytightlips513 Oh ok, thanks for clarifying, yes that makes sense. I had heard about one of men’s guns falling apart, causing a lot of laughter, etc…… 👍
Think Crime scene to courtroom brought most of this case and the holes and inconsistencies in this case. Then these lot just jumped on the bandwagon tbh
Whomes and Steele did kill them but the evidence that convicted them is questionable in my opinion which is why they have always protested their innocence
@JstBB Not quite right is it? JW was in Rettendon that night, mobile phone evidence says he was, what is being argued is whereabouts he was at the time, most likely the Wheatsheaf Pub. So saying he wasn't even there is going against is in his statement.
I grew up in Southend and know people on the fringe of the incident. The three murdered Kevin Whitaker, he had 100k on him for a cannabis deal that they stole. The weekend after the three were murdered a group of guys who funded the deal and knew Kevin partied in the Top Alex in Southend in celebration, the three were incredibly unpopular. A few days after the boozeup one of the guys (who was friends with Kevin and close friends of mine) told me that he had heard from a reliable source that a crew from Canning Town had done it, none of the guys who partied had anything to do with it but they knew an awful lot of people. That was a couple of weeks before "Billy" was arrested.
@@charlierainey9457 He was part of the crew and would have known/endorsed it, he was involved and as guilty as the one who injected Kevin with the drugs. Edit to add, he was in Hospital at the time, not in prison.
Do your reasearch las pat was not involved he was in prison tildes gf confirmed craig gave him the OD that old need bit even disputed now by anyone that k les the case, not saying has pat been out yeah hed of been involved thats why he was going off the Tails bug time when Free making up for lost time statmeants are open reading buf read them youll understand it better
Phone got we t and messing up a bit but who you grammer Police,fs soon as some folk are proven wrong turn to slagging the lad whos right off,,clearly you never knew them that well or youd a knew pat was banged up when Kevin was killed ,i was only 17 at the time live in Glasgow never even seen them nor would i wanted to have and even i knew pat was in jail,anyone doubt me go look it up its printed in a lot of places even look at pats sentances then Match them to kevins death,so clearly you never knew them that well if even at all ,,anything else youd like to add like you know were the range rover is now lol ,fool cant take being proven wrong with facts to back it up ,,had he been out Free i ve no doubt hed a been their,think maybe that s partly why he was going crazy near the end making up for lost time,but your a fool i may have suffered dislexia or somthing and trying my best especially to put a fool like yourselfs fairytale right and you may of put me off for good for all you know to i could know every detail n sat in on the 6 month court case,but your foolish remark may of put me off ever posting again,see its mugs like you talking bs is now why the story is so hard to get at the truth so many lies+ falsities have been added in ..
Don't need to be a pro to load cartridges into a shotgun and pull the trigger..and for the lack of fingerprints etc why would there be any? they ambushed them shooting all 3 so where would the fingerprints be? on the cartridges? heard of gloves? one man to carry out this hit by himself is unlikely even with a pump action he would of had to shoot them so fast that none of them could even react...plus if this guys story is so legit why's he refusing to give names? "he's scared" thats why he cried a river and told the coppers at the first opportunity that for all he knew could of got the shooter caught? makes sense, don't believe any of it....imagine they actually did do it and they manage to overturn it and then get PAID compensation for wrongful prosecution i mean the UK justice system would be the laughing stock of the world, paying murderers for killing people simply because of slight inaccuracies in a story. No matter what you think of them nobody deserves to be trapped in a car and blown to bits with shotguns at point blank...and the fact someone can blow 3 guys heads to bits and then carry on like normal and could walk the streets again is very alarming, also the fact that only recently their appeals got rejected due to no change in evidence and too much evidence that they did commit the crimes tells you everything you need to know...all this nonsense is just crooks trying to get their sentences lowered with the full support of ex police officers and lawyers who only care about £££..do they really believe these guys are innocent? would they be willing to risk these murderers getting out and killing again? anyone who can blow someone to bits with a shotgun should never ever be allowed out of prison, even if he is innocent so what? its been that long if he did get out then he'd probably just go on a shooting rampage anyway...
Billy Walter Mitty Jasper😂the guy said the shooter had a 9mm that was never used at the shooting and he had a sawn off shotgun? There were 7 shotgun blasts into the 3 of them,don’t you think that maybe one of them would have tried to run when the shooter had to reload considering he could only shoot 2 shells at a time? Think about it ffs
No No No Part 20 is the final one. Pat travels here back in time to strike a deal with Al Capone which backfires. The most ridiculous one is part 19 - Pat in Space this movie has absolutely nothing to do with the triple murders
I'd wager about 25% of all convicts are probably innocent. The legal system doesn't care whose guilty or not, its a huge money making machine that's like a never ending theatre performance. The court case is the production and the accused is just another guest in the show whose fate is of little consequence in the grand scheme of things. The outcome is governed by the victor of a legal argument not so different to a game of chess, which depends entirely on the knowledge skill & cunning of the barrister that wins the legal argument while being overseen by the judge, whose role is that of a referee. The outcome has as much significance as a boxing match to everyone except the person standing in the dock, and the victim and their family. For everyone else it's a payday. Many guilty people walk away, and many innocent people get sent to prison. Its luck of the draw, on the day, and highly dependent on who has the best barrister. It has nothing to do with law and order at all.
100% I know someone who was convicted of a shooting got 12 years but I know one of his rival gang member who was there and said it wasn’t him it was someone else
Public pressure, easily targeted criminals, and lack of proper police work makes this situation like so many others before. That is not to say these men are innocent by any means. How many other crimes had they commited and never caught for. Poetic justice in my mind...
I get your point but big difference between drug running although yes kills and murder the whole case stinks I watch cs2cr very good thought provoking non biased just my opinion I go from innocent to guilty back to innocent so is a hard case but evidence was so poor
My dad is like that. He can remember tiny details of conversations he had in the 1970s, or a trip to Safeway in 1991 when someone was arrested for shoplifting and he can remember what they were wearing. I can't remember what I had for dinner last Monday night.
There is no doubt that all involved in this were nasty pieces of work but I would not be surprised if they were murdered by the state and then their murders used to remove two other undesirables for a long time and call it justice. I don't know, just a thought.
@@martincurran6432 how do you know this though? I'm not going against your word by the way. I've been fascinated by this for years. I always narrowed it down to canning town like you say or steele and whomes actually did it. Then nipper threw a spanner in the works saying it was his dad. So I don't no what to believe.
@@matthewsharkey5685 Hi Matthew Like many,we all only have theories...but THE thing that will ALWAYS do Steele/Wholmes in is,... 1)why were they near or at the spot,THAT night? 2)why oh why, did they lie soooo blatantly in court about their whereabouts? The persecution literally blew their "alibi's" away. Now ask yourself,as a juror on that case,if they had been exposed as lying about their whereabouts,would YOU believe ANYTHING else they said?
Yeah. I also wonder if courts should also run under rules similar to Chatham House i.e. you can give vague details and say that a trial is underway, but not specifically identify individuals.
Steve Nipper did it, he was an ex gangster who fell out with the Essex Boys and his family threatened by them and already shot Tate. He knew it wasn't finished, the Essex Boys would either get him eventually for his shooting Tate or he had to do it 1st. Nipper would've have no shortage of people willing to help because pretty much everyone hated them and what they became. Anyone could've been a suspect but Nipper was the one that actually crossed them and in imminent danger. He either shot them himself or was somehow involved in organising the shooting
We have interviewed Mr Ellis at length. he was not involved. The claims that his father was involved remain a line of enquiry but cannot be corroborated in any way. he had a water tight alibi on the night of the Murders.
@@andrewmackenzie2824 Please explain how did Nipper’s dad get all 3 down some rural farm track, knowing the situation at the time regarding his son & TTR??? & they turned up unarmed 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
The account given by Billy can apparently be corroborate, I can't believe the cops didn't look at anything beyond the 5 bar gate, it's almost like they had their minds made up already and nothing was going to change it. When they say it was looked at by the appeal court and the verdict stands. Is not exactly true the appeal court doesn't look at everything instead it looks at certain parts but they should look at everything in effect meaning they get a new trial. Saying they do get a new trial means people are getting the wrong idea of appeals. They don't get a new trial and conditions are laid out about everything. This is wrong a new trial should be exactly that a new trial far less wrongful convictunes would keep returning again and again if they got a new trial in the first place
You can see in thé press pics police had walked all around thé other side of that gate even before forensics got their probably destroying any évidence usuable in court
Why do the Police stick to the idea that the murders took place at the time Billy Jasper stated? He said around midnight, but maybe he lied or was mistaken. Why couldn’t it have happened at or around 7pm? Is there some irrefutable evidence that corroborates his timeline of events? If not, his entire story could have happened 5 hours earlier which fits the evidence at the trial. They died at or close to 7pm, there were no more phone calls from the trio after 7.00, they had a restaurant booking in Romford with their respective Partners at 8pm, at the autopsy there was a quantity of digested food STILL in the stomachs of two of the victims from a meal they’d eaten at TGI Fridays @ 1-2 pm ( it’s unlikely they would have eaten after that ) it takes approx 4 hours to digest food in the stomach before it then moves to the small intestine. Pat Tate had eaten at the same time, but his stomach had emptied by the time of his death ( bodybuilders metabolism tend to burn food quicker). They’d been running about since around 3.30-4pm going back to collect the RangeRover at the five bells and simply didn’t have time to eat elsewhere. They’re stomachs would have been empty by midnight if they were still alive, and there was NOTHING to stop one of them phoning their partners and telling them they’d been delayed. They HAD to have died about 7 pm.
Because a farmer nearby cooperates it, he said he heard 6 shots at midnight. He was out in the shed seeing to his cow who was calving and he remembers it distinctly
That's not true there is a witness who allegedly saw the essex boys and even got into road rage with them they described the range rover and the three essex boys very distinctly....and this was at midnight they saw them...and also there are witness statements that claim they heard gunshots at midnight.
Decriminalise drugs and people will probably stop stealing and killing others over dodgy deals. Regulate it and sell it in shops, make it cheap when there's larger volume.
I agree with you 💯 if you look at Portugal and Switzerland they decriminalised heroin and the crime rate went down loads as people stopped stealing for it. Look at Mexico the cartels are now so big and powerful there are only 2 ways to stop them. 1. A full US invasion of Mexico 2. The US and Europe legalise everything and they will end up like the mafia in America as in they’re nowhere near as powerful as what they were 30 years ago. I had to laugh though I have a auntie and cousins that live in New York and last week they legalised weed for medical use and they’re saying people going to the doctors complaining about back pain and arthritis has gone up 5000% lol.
@@gamewithadam7235 I know lol it was my mum that spoke to my auntie on the phone and she phoned me afterwards laughing her head off and then told me. Could you imagine what it would be like in this country if they did that? It’ll probably be a lot more lol.
It was proved that the spent cartridges at the scene all came from one shotgun... That's one gun from one killer... One killer, cool as anything, executing 3 men in the most professional way... I've always suspected the killer was ex special forces hired by either the old bill or someone else.
Yeah , a real bright pro leaving spent cartridges laying around. Please .... You want to explain how one man can surprise 3 men with a shotgun and keep them all seated nicely in the land rover to be shot in the head ?? Would you sit still if your buddy got shot or would you be getting out ?? At least two men did this job , one man holding them at gun point while the other used the shotgun to decorate the inside .. funnily enough it was two men that went to prison.
@@Richie5903 Tate was found curled up in a defensive position, so he saw the shooter. The other two were shot instantly which is easily done with a pump action shotgun
ex special forces, ex military, police, hitman. Non of them would kill them with a shotgun, someone really hated them to blow there heads off,and used shotguns as were unsure a handgun would kill them or they might miss, hitmen an police would use silencers and hand guns, anyone can fire 3 shots off from a pump action in seconds, someone's crept up on them got rolfe with the barrell right on the headrest meaning some one 6ft aswell as the shots facing down, then 1 second later tucker gets one he's squinting off the blast to rolfe in the murder pics then 3 seconds later boom one to tate
@@Richie5903 Just open the back passenger door, Tucker Rolfe shot, Tucker back of the head right side, Craig Rolfe left side of face forehead, Tate was mean't to see, was then shot twice right side of gut, shooter walks round back of vehicle shoots Tate at angle glass shatters, shots Tucker one more time through glass front passenger seat,walks round back RR, opens front driver seat shoots Rolfe. eight shot fired let get away driver know job done, walks forward over gate, diagonal direction across field, onto housing estate at back. Less than five minutes easy. How does that sound?
If he really knew, he would have been too frightened to tell the police, cmon use your brains, three blokes just had their brains splatted all round the interior of a four wheel drive. He didn't know the name of the person in the passenger seat, the one that stole the white Ford Sierra Cosworth,and made him drive from Canning Town to Essex late at night on the 06th December 1995, with temperatures dropping to minus four, 4/5 inches snow already on the ground by 3.30p.m. that day, it was snowing and sleeting at 18.00 hours. Ronnie Pickering on a motor bike, I say no, no way a suitable mode of transport in those conditions, stolen cosworth, absolutely no chance down that narrow track of whitehouse lane. You need to know a car well; and how it drives before entering any country lane, let alone a dirt track, or bridalpath; as it was used by horse riders.
The police new jasper was lying as soon as he said he saw a sawn off and a pistol, neither were used it was a long barell shotgun, if jasper's said 12 why did ttr not answers there fones after 7pm and they had a dinner date at 8pm and pat left a note on his door for a women sayin hell be 20 mins, she had to meet pat at 6pm if he was doing the deal at midnight why tell her 20 mins, and why do a deal down a muddy snow track at midnight for 4 key lol he's full of it
@@2strokemxclassics Billy Jasper was driving A White Ford Sierra Cosworth on the night of the killings. A stolen white Cosworth, that's the statement he made to police in the interview. Darren Nicholls had A Fiat Uno, but claims he went down the farm track in the Brown VW passat, that if you watch and listen to all the videos was once a dark green vw passat. Darren drove from his place of work to Rettendon on that night obviously in the Fiat Uno, which he parked in front of some flats, which the car park belonged too. He went into the car supplies shop and boght a bulb; or was it a battery, Darren couldn't remember!! how convenient!!.
No car other than a four wheel drive went down that lane, the shooter was in the Range Rover With TTR. Left scene o foot, went over gate, across field, round back of Whitehouse Farm.
They are not innocent. If they didn't do it, they know who did. They are as much to blame for what happened to these men because they lead them to their death.
darren in court says he cant answer correctly he was confused when you have witnessed a murder your in shock etc but if all he done was sit in a car how can that confuse him so much
I know where jack is bless him 👍....also lived and worked very close to his familys home for 28yrs.....and a lovely family too 😊.....my nephew has been fishing with Mick steel also .....I pray jack nd family will be left in peace.......to get on with life.....nd of course clear his name......and Mick will have the same when he comes out🙏
Thinking about it, there must have been more than one shooter. Surely as soon as the gunman pulled out the weapon to take out the first guy, the other 2 people in the car would have at least opened the door to get out. All the doors were still closed which would lead you to think that they've been taken from both sides??
@Gabe Swellington Yeah they left Tate last on purpose and shot him in the gut first, before they shot him in the head. They wanted him to suffer as Tate had terrorised a lot of people himself. I don't feel sorry or bad for any of them. If you sign up to that lifestyle, you know and accept that you will most likely meet your end in this way. Occupational hazard as such lol.
Yeah I wondered about that, whoever did it must have got them all from the same side and let off 3 shots fast to stop any of them at least trying to open a door and do one.
The police should be able to tell if shots were fired from both sides. Gunshot wounds tend to have small entry large exit wounds as the energy expands on impact. Buckshot/slug may be different thou I'm no expert
No chance they couldn't prove where they was and lied in court they was involved one way or another. Even Craig's gf said he was going to meet Micky the pilot
Once again with these ppl, never done a real job... bullying ppl, selling drugs etc are not real ways to make a living... some of us have got real jobs and see ppl like this as menaces to society
Worse Tony.not menaces,but total wrong uns. As a carer for older people,I will never make or be able to drive or live in the nice houses these guys do... But I have peace of mind,and THAT...is priceless.
As the detectives had said at the start, it was a professional hit, you would need to know that area well due to it's isolation and also where were all the DNA/Finger prints evidence. I would ask where Carlton Leach fitted in here since John said in the Bernard O'Mahoney documentary he had never seen him or heard of him before it's like he has come out of nowhere. Has all the hallmarks of an intelligence operation possibly due to the death and uproar over the death of Leah Betts at that time due to the coverage that caused.
The other thing is that it was a rural farmland area with a shooting range literally just down the road. Nobody would think twice about hearing gunshots and it's been suggested the killing was timed to blend in. Also, the track doesn't connect to the shooting range so no members of the public would be there. It's very likely the trio died around 6:30-7pm. Tucker was a well liked regular at a local restaurant and was on good terms with the staff - he had a group booking for 8pm, and despite phoning earlier in the evening to increase the size of the booking for 2 extra guests, they were all no-shows.
The idea that it takes a professional hitman, as so many think, is fxcking hilarious. Stuff like this happens 25 times a week in the US and is carried out by stunned as your arse ghetto teenagers. Capping 3 guys trapped inside a car that you've got the cold drop on takes only a pump action shotgun, 7-10 seconds, and sufficient rage, ....why would there be any "DNA/finger prints" if the killer stands 3 feet away, blasts for 10 seconds and walks off on bare ground?
The planner was Michael Gordon dolton ex army 23 years , trigger man was Norman Boyle ex SAS he was part of the operation the failed attempt to bring back Ronnie b I first met jack w in a pub called the anchor with Michal d and Albert burrnet which I bought a ford Sierra later found out it was stolen after that mick g Norman and jack w had many meeting. All the other men where their to muddy the waters
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Where did crime scene to courtroom rob all his material ? That fool just makes videos of all the conspiracy’s that people no about and regurgitates it over and over. Plus if Jack whomes is innocent why did he keep saying no comment in interview ? Doesn’t sound like an innocent man does it
Aha! Jimmy,Jimmy you might very well have hit the nail there. Remember tucker and rolfe had robbed stolen travellers cheques from a dude in East London? Those cheques "belonged" to a very serious firm from that Manor. Nipper would have gone too,but he obviously did not know tucker was going to Rob the guy. It was only a matter of time before TTR got whacked.
@@christopheredison2094 She died at the club they "ran" after taking a bad e they supplied. Not rocket science is it, I think most fathers worth there weight would do the same. If that happened to any of my kids I would of tracked them down and killed them as well.
The villain you call as just Billy is who we all know it is and he gave 3 different statements on the day he was arrested, so why is one of his statements dealt with as the truth ?
Booooom! Another thing John,..."billy" said he got paid 5 large for a 90 minute there and back car trip. FIVE large just for driving! More like he got paid....whatever... to make those statements as a...."deflection"?.
Nichols said steel had overalls and surgical gloves on when he got back in the car after the shooting... When did steel have time to get changed because I’m sure they would of suspicious of steel suited up like a farm vet....
Correct. Nicholls story is that Steele got into the rear of the Range Rover wearing a boiler suit, surgical gloves and carrying a shotgun in a bag. Completely ridiculous.
They didn't have a cosworth they had a wow wow, a (Volvo) I've got a friend who works in an insurance office, thought he was making a claim about a dog, turned out to be his Volvo. His Wow Wow.
It was Ronnie pickering no one else would of had the balls
wieldstone radier dont it
Do you know who I am? NO... lol
Jonny who?? 😂
i think your right, Mr Pickering is the guy who runs the U.K underworld
Longfellow....
If it wasn't them, it was definitely somebody else. 100%.
Interesting 🤔
Have you come forward with this information?
My mum used to be in the same circle of friends as one of the murdered. She maintains she knows as do many others who did the crime but nobody will talk. I think it's time and who cares if you are labeled a grass, imo this is people's lives so the truth should be known.
@@redmille1000 exactly what I was gonna say....100%😉🙂
@@Dynamikcheese hello, has she told you who she thinks did it?
"Don't listen to him Tone! Remember all the agg he caused ya!"
Haha 😄
Quality 🤣🤣🤣 Craig rolf...
"Think" of all the agg hes caused u actually
@@mister_M. there has to be one!!! Lol
Hahaha mint 👌had to laugh at that
They really need to find who ever actually killed these men and give them the public recognition they deserve for the good work they done.
Pizza express delivery guy for knocking their toppings it's that simple.
@Froddobaggins WasmyMilkman Jack Whomes is officially out mate.
@Arst Koben yes I know and didn't say he did do it..I was just responding to the first comment on the latest suspects identity!!..he could be saying that for numerous reasons !!
The police had them tapped so they know, if this is never brought into a case then all the law enforcement should be liable for prosecution
It's known but the people that know won't ever speak.
FREE MICK STEELE
Definitely
Agreed 👍
I'd say give him another 5 years
Michael Steele is out you donuts!!!
@@crazykidjord no jack is out mick steel is still in prison👍
The suns only liked video
Sounds like someone did the UK a favour
Who actially owns the warf who actually owns or flys the planes
A huge miscarriage of justice doesn't give them their bloody lost time back
It certainly doesn't, even if he gets millions in compensation & all sorts of mega deals. 23years is a life time lost!
Was still an Essex mug involved in the underworld
As far as I'm aware the 3 of them were under 24/7 police surveillance. If you get killed in those circumstances it makes you wonder...........
The police weren't fan of these guys, it's no wonder
They wasnt
surveillance ended the day before the murders
Not according to police sources and the evidence we have seen. That does not mean it was not true. There is the question as to why get Supt Bright received a call from the Essex Drugs squad 2 hours before the bodies were found. Statement made by him in the Op Obtain enquiry in 2004.
So was notorious big and he still got killed
Massive cover up this one, Essex police are bent
It was probably them that did it in retaliation 4 Leah Betts as her father was an important man within the police force but I don't think we will ever find out the truth.
There own pals know they did jt ffs the proof is there watch the documentaries lol
..........All police are bent
Yep...... But aren't all forcies. Disgusting innit.
They did it the police shot them it’s obvious
Not sure why people go on about this case. Some drug dealers got rubbed out by some other gangland heavies. Happens every day all over the world. Their supply killed a girl, and that brought unwanted attention on a lot of people -- at various levels. I understand they were also pretty reckless in how they were operating in terms of threat-making, using their own product etc. A matter of time for these guys, and the same goes for 99% in the same business today, or a thousand years from now.
JACK WHOMES WAS ALLOWED TO VISIT HIS DYING FATHER IN HOSPITAL IF HE ADMITTED HIS GUILT...HE REFUSED. NUFF SED🇬🇧
yeah and him and maybe even Steele would have been freed a lot earlier if they “admitted” to it and did rehabilitation courses which is a huge part of getting parole
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Imagine these guys spent over 20 years in prision when the poilce even admitted they had no evidence.
Darren Nicholls testimony and phone calls put them in the area at the the time of the killing. At best they were in the area involved in the set up and then fitted up for the actual deed later, though under joint enterprise law you can still get convicted of murder for setting it up
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@@jamesfordham251 I belive nichols had a part to do with it and he got steele in the area to set them up to take the fall as steele said he was there to pick up nichols broken down car. You belive steele and wholmes would go and shoot someone in a car with a dodgy gear box 🤣. Police knew they were getting killed that day too they stopped surveillance of the 3 dead the day before the murder
What about the cell site analysis which placed both men in the area on the day?
What about the bloke who always had a shotgun in his boot for emergencies and had two dodgy detectives in his pocket look what happened to whiting ended up on the marshes stabbed and shot to death see sometimes is not about the drugs or the money sometimes it’s because you know to much
I actually saw Ronnie Pickering arguing with a motorcyclist at the Rettendon turn off at about 7.01pm that evening. The guy told him he'll go when the cars have gone...
I actually looked up pickering when he was first mentioned as a Mr Big thinking well never heard of him ...well I have now lol
@@markweighell7894 hahaha
Ronnie Pickering driving past the farm in his Picasso with a 22 air rifle as he just knocked 3 cows and 2 horses out with a duster
Now that comment flies in the face of the Darren Nicholls story/statement to the police, and surley while DN was grassing people up, if Ronnie Pickering was at the scene, why didn't DN tell the police this?
@Chris Fitzpatrick Yes I know it was a joke. I would like to see Ronnie Pickering spending some time with Darren Nicholls though.Ten Minutes and you'd want to blow your own brains out, let alone someone elses. Oh Yeah Ronnie on a Motorbike, thats not exactly a family orientated mode of transport. Picasso, being comfortable in your own skin, leading a sedentry life comes to mind. A normal car happens with age my man!! just you wait.
It was the Cornwall boys, they hit em with a pasty
Hahaha that's top that one i tell you. 💯
I love it. 😂😂😂
lol
THE Sun has the power to open doors that we peasants can't, massive story here, very political, bent coppers, bent prosecution, bent jury, alsorts of BENT in this case. MASSIVE career making story.
Absolutely mate
Is anyone brave enough? # courage!
So what they got what they deserved drug dealing Bully’s got there karma
I dont think 23 years in prison is fair for crimes they did not commit
23yrs ago the Sun was printing bs stories that it was them, i wouldn't trust um but its good they're bringing it to the attention of the public because that's putting pressure on someone. Does anyone know what health Mick is in? Ms life matters, lol
There is no doubt the two men convicted were intelligent criminals,but there is also no doubt about the accepted professional manner in which the killings were carried out,leaving no forensic evidence of any use etc.. Being a clever criminal and a professional hitman is a whole different thing,It takes a special sort of emotionless,cold steel nerve gained only by experience and/or training to calmly and successfully kill three men in cold blood while keeping your identity hidden.
Even though they may be hardened men and had a motive,they are not professional killers and from what I can gather,only part of a long queue of men with a motive to remove them,it seems they were the easiest to convict.
Exactly!!!!!!! Very well presented & ever so true 👌👌👍👍
There's a long history of innocent people going down for murder in the country just because they were easy to convict:the Guilford four,Barry George Colin Stagg are just the most well-known
patsy " bolt eyes " clarke. he ordered tucker gone because of the 400,000 cash he stole from him regarding a big job that tucker supplied muscle for. clarke got sent down and tucker spent it. then released on appeal clarke wanted it back. thats why tucker was so withdrawn and hiding away. but also the reason he was desperate for the carrot that was dangled that night. rolfe and tate were collateral damage.
The concept of a professional hit man is something of a rarity in organised crime.
If your a drug lord with dozens of violent criminals under your command why would you pay a very expensive hitman?
If your a drug lord with 3 men you want dead I imagine your going to have to get your own hands dirty in order to make sure things go how you want them to. I wouldn't trust anyone else with that kind of thing.
it still leaves the question whoever was with them set them up, Pat was warned 3 days prior somebody might sneak up behind him and clip him, so why were they not tooled up?
Leigh Betts or whatever her name was who died from the pills , Dad arranged the hit and carried out by police it’s what I though at the time and never changed my mind , also weird how pills went down hill after that almost like the police were controlling it all along .
Yes agree
Apparently SAS guy was hired.
Could explain how proffesinal it was.
Yes ur correct pills went down after 1995
tell us about your Qanon theory while you're at it.
For a start she didn't die from acute overdose or dodgy pills she over hydrated herself by drinking an obscene amount of water. And I wouldn't say pills went downhill it's just likely you abused them too often and fried your serotonin receptors
Guess we'll never know
Only one man could of pulled this crime off. And that’s Ronnie Pickering in his Picasso!
Ronnie Ronnie Ronnie Ronnie, pickering
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@@madsamlive "Ronnie bloody Pickerin"
Wasn't Picasso an artist, maybe Ronnie got own personal pics of the scene, do you think that blood spated RR, window would look good at Tate Modern Art Gallery?
I reckon gangland figures ave worked with the old bill to take out the 3 and set up steele and whomes.
Yeah I think along those lines. It's like Steele was told by old bill or high up gangsters to do it and they would not get caught because so many people even police wanted them dead
without doubt that is what happened
Kenny noye ordered there killings
Be good to see jack in a video and hear what he's got to say
His licence will have stipulated he can't talk to media. Once he's served his licence he'll go on podcasts for definite
@@BurtonRdForever isn't it life he got? Meaning license will never finish
He can’t mate but how good would that be if he could ✌️
@@robinbanks. He is allowed for someone to speak his words for him.
He’ll be on licence till he hits the ground
Wasn't the entire case built around a "snitch" with something to gain? I think it's high time these men were freed and exonerated.
90s supergrasses were a total scandal of corrupt cops
Nicholls was a self confessed liar. His story had more holes than a Swiss cheese.
@@StoutProper Nicholls isn't a grass he's a liar. If he were a grass blokes from Canning Town would be locked up, not innocent geezers JW and MS.
If you dont know the facts of this case bud maybe a little reaserch wouldnt go a Miss ,,yes case was built around a informant n a self informant at that even before the killings he addmitts it in his book bloggs 19 paranoid Mick became suspicius hrs plenty of reasons hrs been stopped a van full of weed that charge heading Mick up would stop him going to prison Plus get rid of Mick for decades Plus a new ID full family moved oír braintree fases bit the nicest are
DARREN NICHOLS WAS THE SNITCH WHO GRASSED JACK AND MICKEY UP
In other words those 2 senior detectives are now terrified they are gonna end up in a Range Rover
Ok my first question, which I’ve been trying to get some kind of “answer” to, but with zero luck: At (approx) 0:25 here, it says the three men “had been blasted to death with a pump-action shotgun”.
But in an account given by someone who was ‘very Well placed”, one of the two men who were found guilty in court was alleged to have “opened up on ‘(I forget which man)’, with Both Barrels”. But of course, pump-actions are single-barrelled. So immediately something doesn’t add up there…….
It was put forth in evidence that both a pump action and a swanoff double barrel shot gun was used...
In the shooting the double barrel acutlly fell apart when fired, and Mickie was hunting around on the floor for the battles and under grip whilst Jack went round and fired more shots into them. They were laughing about it in the car to Darren Nicholes..
@@jonnytightlips513
Oh ok, thanks for clarifying, yes that makes sense. I had heard about one of men’s guns falling apart, causing a lot of laughter, etc…… 👍
Turn of phrase?
I heard the 3 of them was at a party at micheal barrymores House the night they were murdered
Died laughing!
@Fenrir Moon I heard they were boxing training in his gym apparently tate got battered in the ring
Pmsl lad
Think Crime scene to courtroom brought most of this case and the holes and inconsistencies in this case. Then these lot just jumped on the bandwagon tbh
Your joking these guys are ex met lolice detectives they knew some of the gangsters involved. Cstc is just an amatuer slueth
LWD first started this, then others jumped on
@@mrsmith4230 please don't say you mean that clown Theo
@Benjamin Playford can you tell Mr what or who tiberius is please?
Then fatboy O boloney started getting people's pages shut down.
Whomes and Steele did kill them but the evidence that convicted them is questionable in my opinion which is why they have always protested their innocence
@JstBB can you provide details of this fact you speak of!
@JstBB prove it
@JstBB Not quite right is it? JW was in Rettendon that night, mobile phone evidence says he was, what is being argued is whereabouts he was at the time, most likely the Wheatsheaf Pub. So saying he wasn't even there is going against is in his statement.
The Jasper account is far more compelling. if the jury were given both versions to consider Steele and Whomes would never have been convicted.
That’s why that ex police officer got blew up in he’s car the other day
Wat🙄🙄🤔
Nope, BLM have claimed responsibility for that 👍🏾
Reckon he was going to blab about Darrens cover-up? Can't be a coincidence he's died like that just as wholmes is released!
I grew up in Southend and know people on the fringe of the incident.
The three murdered Kevin Whitaker, he had 100k on him for a cannabis deal that they stole.
The weekend after the three were murdered a group of guys who funded the deal and knew Kevin partied in the Top Alex in Southend in celebration, the three were incredibly unpopular.
A few days after the boozeup one of the guys (who was friends with Kevin and close friends of mine) told me that he had heard from a reliable source that a crew from Canning Town had done it, none of the guys who partied had anything to do with it but they knew an awful lot of people.
That was a couple of weeks before "Billy" was arrested.
Check thé dates tâté was in prison when whittiker was killer ,in rolfes gf statmeant she claimed it was only ticket and rolre
@@charlierainey9457 He was part of the crew and would have known/endorsed it, he was involved and as guilty as the one who injected Kevin with the drugs.
Edit to add, he was in Hospital at the time, not in prison.
Do your reasearch las pat was not involved he was in prison tildes gf confirmed craig gave him the OD that old need bit even disputed now by anyone that k les the case, not saying has pat been out yeah hed of been involved thats why he was going off the Tails bug time when Free making up for lost time statmeants are open reading buf read them youll understand it better
@@charlierainey9457 I knew the people involved so i don't need to research.
I would suggest you take a few writing lessons though.
Phone got we t and messing up a bit but who you grammer Police,fs soon as some folk are proven wrong turn to slagging the lad whos right off,,clearly you never knew them that well or youd a knew pat was banged up when Kevin was killed ,i was only 17 at the time live in Glasgow never even seen them nor would i wanted to have and even i knew pat was in jail,anyone doubt me go look it up its printed in a lot of places even look at pats sentances then Match them to kevins death,so clearly you never knew them that well if even at all ,,anything else youd like to add like you know were the range rover is now lol ,fool cant take being proven wrong with facts to back it up ,,had he been out Free i ve no doubt hed a been their,think maybe that s partly why he was going crazy near the end making up for lost time,but your a fool i may have suffered dislexia or somthing and trying my best especially to put a fool like yourselfs fairytale right and you may of put me off for good for all you know to i could know every detail n sat in on the 6 month court case,but your foolish remark may of put me off ever posting again,see its mugs like you talking bs is now why the story is so hard to get at the truth so many lies+ falsities have been added in ..
It was a miscarriage of justice
Don't need to be a pro to load cartridges into a shotgun and pull the trigger..and for the lack of fingerprints etc why would there be any? they ambushed them shooting all 3 so where would the fingerprints be? on the cartridges? heard of gloves? one man to carry out this hit by himself is unlikely even with a pump action he would of had to shoot them so fast that none of them could even react...plus if this guys story is so legit why's he refusing to give names? "he's scared" thats why he cried a river and told the coppers at the first opportunity that for all he knew could of got the shooter caught? makes sense, don't believe any of it....imagine they actually did do it and they manage to overturn it and then get PAID compensation for wrongful prosecution i mean the UK justice system would be the laughing stock of the world, paying murderers for killing people simply because of slight inaccuracies in a story.
No matter what you think of them nobody deserves to be trapped in a car and blown to bits with shotguns at point blank...and the fact someone can blow 3 guys heads to bits and then carry on like normal and could walk the streets again is very alarming, also the fact that only recently their appeals got rejected due to no change in evidence and too much evidence that they did commit the crimes tells you everything you need to know...all this nonsense is just crooks trying to get their sentences lowered with the full support of ex police officers and lawyers who only care about £££..do they really believe these guys are innocent? would they be willing to risk these murderers getting out and killing again? anyone who can blow someone to bits with a shotgun should never ever be allowed out of prison, even if he is innocent so what? its been that long if he did get out then he'd probably just go on a shooting rampage anyway...
Its so clear to anyone who knows the case that Billy Jasper was telling the truth all along.
@Ian Walker dont leave us hanging mate
Who is dean heagerty
@@themadhatter3624 Was Top Notch Army Higher Archy.
Billy Walter Mitty Jasper😂the guy said the shooter had a 9mm that was never used at the shooting and he had a sawn off shotgun? There were 7 shotgun blasts into the 3 of them,don’t you think that maybe one of them would have tried to run when the shooter had to reload considering he could only shoot 2 shells at a time? Think about it ffs
@@albertodadamo7373 if they were shot there that is
Rise of the footsoldier 20 - The chronicles of the Honey monsters hair piece
HAHAHA
Rise off the footsoldiers 5000 -Honey monsters in space war off the wigs
@Michael Connors Rise off the footsoldiers 5000006778 Resurrection off the honeys hair piece..
No No No Part 20 is the final one. Pat travels here back in time to strike a deal with Al Capone which backfires. The most ridiculous one is part 19 - Pat in Space this movie has absolutely nothing to do with the triple murders
The police knew they was innocent ,well the high up old bill did ..
Thanks detective columbo
The police did it
I think you could be right
I'd wager about 25% of all convicts are probably innocent. The legal system doesn't care whose guilty or not, its a huge money making machine that's like a never ending theatre performance. The court case is the production and the accused is just another guest in the show whose fate is of little consequence in the grand scheme of things. The outcome is governed by the victor of a legal argument not so different to a game of chess, which depends entirely on the knowledge skill & cunning of the barrister that wins the legal argument while being overseen by the judge, whose role is that of a referee. The outcome has as much significance as a boxing match to everyone except the person standing in the dock, and the victim and their family. For everyone else it's a payday. Many guilty people walk away, and many innocent people get sent to prison. Its luck of the draw, on the day, and highly dependent on who has the best barrister. It has nothing to do with law and order at all.
No it doesn't care about innocent and guilty it's who can tell the best lies that the jury believe
100% I know someone who was convicted of a shooting got 12 years but I know one of his rival gang member who was there and said it wasn’t him it was someone else
Thank God he's out enjoy it Jack mate
Sad for Mick though
Public pressure, easily targeted criminals, and lack of proper police work makes this situation like so many others before. That is not to say these men are innocent by any means. How many other crimes had they commited and never caught for. Poetic justice in my mind...
I get your point but big difference between drug running although yes kills and murder the whole case stinks I watch cs2cr very good thought provoking non biased just my opinion I go from innocent to guilty back to innocent so is a hard case but evidence was so poor
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It was Arg and Gemma Collins who killed them
This is why the death penalty should never be a thing.
Not for uncertain cases like this, but 100% terrorists crimes could get it.
Agreed
The man around 8:20 recounting their whole day is a skill in Itself. You can tell he has great attention to detail even after retirement
My dad is like that.
He can remember tiny details of conversations he had in the 1970s, or a trip to Safeway in 1991 when someone was arrested for shoplifting and he can remember what they were wearing.
I can't remember what I had for dinner last Monday night.
He didnt he said 5 o clock he got up then fast forwards
Can we find out who the real killer is so we can give them 3 medals?
@An Armchair what's the barbers name as I always believed billy jasper story that he drove the killer there
@@noisyneighbors1106 Edward scissorhands
DONE LISTEN TO HIM TONE THINK OF ALL THE AGG HES CAUSED YA.
TONE: YEAHH ALL THE AGG YOU’VE CAUSED ME!!
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One of best scenes in the movie 😂😂😂
I thought I was the only one that found this hilarious
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I laugh everytime
There is no doubt that all involved in this were nasty pieces of work but I would not be surprised if they were murdered by the state and then their murders used to remove two other undesirables for a long time and call it justice. I don't know, just a thought.
That’s what I thought
Well putting the wrong guys behind bars is hardly 'justice'
It will never be known who did it and who organised it. The real villains never appear on film and are never quoted. Ever.
Rise of the Footsoldier 5: Retribution
The 5th one isn't that good to be fair
Rise of the Footsoldier 19: Pat in Space
Canning Town Cartel done it. Dean Hegerty, an ex army marksman, was the guy who shot the three of them dead.
Game you lad haha
@@matthewsharkey5685 Jesse Gale (who's dead now) was the fourth guy in the car who lured them to the place they were killed
@@martincurran6432 how do you know this though? I'm not going against your word by the way. I've been fascinated by this for years. I always narrowed it down to canning town like you say or steele and whomes actually did it. Then nipper threw a spanner in the works saying it was his dad. So I don't no what to believe.
@@matthewsharkey5685
Hi Matthew
Like many,we all only have theories...but THE thing that will ALWAYS do Steele/Wholmes in is,...
1)why were they near or at the spot,THAT night?
2)why oh why, did they lie soooo blatantly in court about their whereabouts?
The persecution literally blew their "alibi's" away.
Now ask yourself,as a juror on that case,if they had been exposed as lying about their whereabouts,would YOU believe ANYTHING else they said?
@@milolee4746 I agree with you totally.
Used to have a chuff up there after the nightclubs until that happen and we never went there again after this took place..
Didnt they sell the fatal ectasy to leah, tge girl that died from it, bunch of bullys,no loss to society.
There batch , not them directly
@The Sticky Snot because it wasn't mdma in the batch hence she had water toxosis
She died from lack of information before she CHOSE to buy and take a drug....
@The Sticky Snot no maybe parents should be handling that!
Surely when you take bullies out you deserve a "pat" on the back 🙌
Hahaha pat
Keep up the good work David
Easy to frame a gangland hitman for a hit!
The killers are guilty. Whether the suspects are the killers is most important.
Blasted Range Rovers, they are to blame for everything.
Am I the only one that thinks we shouldn't show people faces until we KNOW that they're guilty?
Its the Sun, its what they have done for decades.
Yeah.
I also wonder if courts should also run under rules similar to Chatham House i.e. you can give vague details and say that a trial is underway, but not specifically identify individuals.
You can't really know if they are guilty though
the red and black capsules were called Dennis the Menace...
The 90's!! What a time to be alive 😂😂
@@paulmulks we were lucky - just like the 60s/70s players...i thank god for the 90s - best decade of my life..
@@ftollan Yes mate!! Haha 👌🏻
@@ftollan 90s where the best best coke best pills end of
@@paulhare7938 gotta agree there man - i like a stone nowadays...
Steve Nipper did it, he was an ex gangster who fell out with the Essex Boys and his family threatened by them and already shot Tate. He knew it wasn't finished, the Essex Boys would either get him eventually for his shooting Tate or he had to do it 1st. Nipper would've have no shortage of people willing to help because pretty much everyone hated them and what they became. Anyone could've been a suspect but Nipper was the one that actually crossed them and in imminent danger. He either shot them himself or was somehow involved in organising the shooting
I think so too
Nipper done an interview a few months back, He said his dad done the hit because he could get to them. Have a listen great interview
We have interviewed Mr Ellis at length. he was not involved. The claims that his father was involved remain a line of enquiry but cannot be corroborated in any way. he had a water tight alibi on the night of the Murders.
@@andrewmackenzie2824 Please explain how did Nipper’s dad get all 3 down some rural farm track, knowing the situation at the time regarding his son & TTR???
& they turned up unarmed 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
No he didn't
Didnt the blundells own a taxi firm?
After all these years and they're still going on about it.
The account given by Billy can apparently be corroborate, I can't believe the cops didn't look at anything beyond the 5 bar gate, it's almost like they had their minds made up already and nothing was going to change it. When they say it was looked at by the appeal court and the verdict stands. Is not exactly true the appeal court doesn't look at everything instead it looks at certain parts but they should look at everything in effect meaning they get a new trial. Saying they do get a new trial means people are getting the wrong idea of appeals. They don't get a new trial and conditions are laid out about everything. This is wrong a new trial should be exactly that a new trial far less wrongful convictunes would keep returning again and again if they got a new trial in the first place
i think after leah betts her dad was ex police the police did not give a crap who they banged up
SIMON PINCHBECK
You can see in thé press pics police had walked all around thé other side of that gate even before forensics got their probably destroying any évidence usuable in court
I knew they was innocent 17 years ago and waited for this day to come
Your still waiting then
Someone needs to interview Jack wholmes now he's out
But would the out come be the same.
I haven't got a scooby.
@@jaynewton5278 yeah could be but doubt he could speak unless the review the case and he gets found not guilty
Why do the Police stick to the idea that the murders took place at the time Billy Jasper stated?
He said around midnight, but maybe he lied or was mistaken.
Why couldn’t it have happened at or around 7pm?
Is there some irrefutable evidence that corroborates his timeline of events?
If not, his entire story could have happened 5 hours earlier which fits the evidence at the trial.
They died at or close to 7pm, there were no more phone calls from the trio after 7.00, they had a restaurant booking in Romford with their respective Partners at 8pm, at the autopsy there was a quantity of digested food STILL in the stomachs of two of the victims from a meal they’d eaten at TGI Fridays @ 1-2 pm ( it’s unlikely they would have eaten after that ) it takes approx 4 hours to digest food in the stomach before it then moves to the small intestine.
Pat Tate had eaten at the same time, but his stomach had emptied by the time of his death ( bodybuilders metabolism tend to burn food quicker). They’d been running about since around 3.30-4pm going back to collect the RangeRover at the five bells and simply didn’t have time to eat elsewhere.
They’re stomachs would have been empty by midnight if they were still alive, and there was NOTHING to stop one of them phoning their partners and telling them they’d been delayed.
They HAD to have died about 7 pm.
Because a farmer nearby cooperates it, he said he heard 6 shots at midnight. He was out in the shed seeing to his cow who was calving and he remembers it distinctly
That's not true there is a witness who allegedly saw the essex boys and even got into road rage with them they described the range rover and the three essex boys very distinctly....and this was at midnight they saw them...and also there are witness statements that claim they heard gunshots at midnight.
Decriminalise drugs and people will probably stop stealing and killing others over dodgy deals. Regulate it and sell it in shops, make it cheap when there's larger volume.
I agree with you 💯 if you look at Portugal and Switzerland they decriminalised heroin and the crime rate went down loads as people stopped stealing for it. Look at Mexico the cartels are now so big and powerful there are only 2 ways to stop them. 1. A full US invasion of Mexico 2. The US and Europe legalise everything and they will end up like the mafia in America as in they’re nowhere near as powerful as what they were 30 years ago. I had to laugh though I have a auntie and cousins that live in New York and last week they legalised weed for medical use and they’re saying people going to the doctors complaining about back pain and arthritis has gone up 5000% lol.
@@smith2781 5000% LOL thanks for the laugh that's hilarious.
@@gamewithadam7235 I know lol it was my mum that spoke to my auntie on the phone and she phoned me afterwards laughing her head off and then told me. Could you imagine what it would be like in this country if they did that? It’ll probably be a lot more lol.
@@smith2781 "I have erectile dysfunction, I need weed please." *Gets prescribed anti-depressants*
Wouldn’t you just have people walking the streets off there face 24hrs a day?
It was proved that the spent cartridges at the scene all came from one shotgun... That's one gun from one killer...
One killer, cool as anything, executing 3 men in the most professional way... I've always suspected the killer was ex special forces hired by either the old bill or someone else.
hahahaha
Yeah , a real bright pro leaving spent cartridges laying around. Please ....
You want to explain how one man can surprise 3 men with a shotgun and keep them all seated nicely in the land rover to be shot in the head ?? Would you sit still if your buddy got shot or would you be getting out ??
At least two men did this job , one man holding them at gun point while the other used the shotgun to decorate the inside .. funnily enough it was two men that went to prison.
@@Richie5903
Tate was found curled up in a defensive position, so he saw the shooter. The other two were shot instantly which is easily done with a pump action shotgun
ex special forces, ex military, police, hitman. Non of them would kill them with a shotgun, someone really hated them to blow there heads off,and used shotguns as were unsure a handgun would kill them or they might miss, hitmen an police would use silencers and hand guns, anyone can fire 3 shots off from a pump action in seconds, someone's crept up on them got rolfe with the barrell right on the headrest meaning some one 6ft aswell as the shots facing down, then 1 second later tucker gets one he's squinting off the blast to rolfe in the murder pics then 3 seconds later boom one to tate
@@Richie5903 Just open the back passenger door, Tucker Rolfe shot, Tucker back of the head right side, Craig Rolfe left side of face forehead, Tate was mean't to see, was then shot twice right side of gut, shooter walks round back of vehicle shoots Tate at angle glass shatters, shots Tucker one more time through glass front passenger seat,walks round back RR, opens front driver seat shoots Rolfe. eight shot fired let get away driver know job done, walks forward over gate, diagonal direction across field, onto housing estate at back. Less than five minutes easy. How does that sound?
Old news, billy jasper told Essex police exactly what went on and who did it a few months after it happened
If he really knew, he would have been too frightened to tell the police, cmon use your brains, three blokes just had their brains splatted all round the interior of a four wheel drive. He didn't know the name of the person in the passenger seat, the one that stole the white Ford Sierra Cosworth,and made him drive from Canning Town to Essex late at night on the 06th December 1995, with temperatures dropping to minus four, 4/5 inches snow already on the ground by 3.30p.m. that day, it was snowing and sleeting at 18.00 hours. Ronnie Pickering on a motor bike, I say no, no way a suitable mode of transport in those conditions, stolen cosworth, absolutely no chance down that narrow track of whitehouse lane. You need to know a car well; and how it drives before entering any country lane, let alone a dirt track, or bridalpath; as it was used by horse riders.
@youtube fascists After reading about true bent coppers, you're probably right.
@@cherylspandley8270 it was a fiat uno not a cosworth
The police new jasper was lying as soon as he said he saw a sawn off and a pistol, neither were used it was a long barell shotgun, if jasper's said 12 why did ttr not answers there fones after 7pm and they had a dinner date at 8pm and pat left a note on his door for a women sayin hell be 20 mins, she had to meet pat at 6pm if he was doing the deal at midnight why tell her 20 mins, and why do a deal down a muddy snow track at midnight for 4 key lol he's full of it
@@2strokemxclassics Billy Jasper was driving A White Ford Sierra Cosworth on the night of the killings. A stolen white Cosworth, that's the statement he made to police in the interview. Darren Nicholls had A Fiat Uno, but claims he went down the farm track in the Brown VW passat, that if you watch and listen to all the videos was once a dark green vw passat. Darren drove from his place of work to Rettendon on that night obviously in the Fiat Uno, which he parked in front of some flats, which the car park belonged too. He went into the car supplies shop and boght a bulb; or was it a battery, Darren couldn't remember!! how convenient!!.
Steve Ellis didn’t do it. He just moved further north and still has a big mouth. People that did this ain’t talking to no dumb sun documentary
A ballistic report said all the empty cartridges found at the crime scene all came from a single 12 bore pump action shotgun. One gun=one killer
A gun can be handed to someone else after it's been fired...
Side by side or over and under / 2 shots and no dropped casings until it is opened .
@@markevans7244 I'm not saying it's not. The ballistic evidence contradicts the testimony given by Darren Nicholas
@@itsmeagain7825 Huh?
@@leejohnstone2285 guess you don't do much shooting ?!
I'm still not having a fiat uno turbo went 1/2 a mile down a snow sodden dirt/mud track David...
Without breaking down 🤣🤣
Good points:-p
The legendary Fiat Uno was used to great effect in Paris in 1997, mind you.
No car other than a four wheel drive went down that lane, the shooter was in the Range Rover With TTR. Left scene o foot, went over gate, across field, round back of Whitehouse Farm.
@@cherylspandley8270 Fiat Uno Turbos were 4 wheel drive
Time for another book from tubby Bernard...
We need to find out who actually did it….. so we can throw a party for them and give them a medal 🎖🏅🥇
Who knows but can you ever trust the word of a jailhouse grass just trying to reduce their own charges/sentence
It's a long time to profess innocence. A quilty man would surely leave it where it lay if it meant getting out on parole surely?
Well the police certainly do, just look at the Michael Stone case.
They are not innocent. If they didn't do it, they know who did. They are as much to blame for what happened to these men because they lead them to their death.
Nichols now In the black country growing cannibus and being looked after by police.
Close
Some one else said hes in newcastle
Well he ain't.
@@anthonyboyce8844 not in Newcastle.
north east yeh
What went in with the mobiles then ? From 18:59 till midnight ?
No calls ?
Rise of the foot soldier 24 -Pat orders a chinese..
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darren in court says he cant answer correctly he was confused when you have witnessed a murder your in shock etc but if all he done was sit in a car how can that confuse him so much
darren does say he was witness to murder over n over again how if he did not see it ???
One of them has just been released two weeks ago JACK WHOMES he served 23 years Jack and Mickey Steele definitely not guilty of the ESSEX BOYS MURDERS
I know where jack is bless him 👍....also lived and worked very close to his familys home for 28yrs.....and a lovely family too 😊.....my nephew has been fishing with Mick steel also .....I pray jack nd family will be left in peace.......to get on with life.....nd of course clear his name......and Mick will have the same when he comes out🙏
@@nigelstannard7443 when will mick be out??
00:14 "...the most infamous gangland hit since the Krays." The Krays were never assassinated.
I guess they mean a hit by the Krays.
It’s been said for years there both innocent
SIMON PINCHBECK
No doubt, the manager of the pizza shop.
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Looool creesed me that comment
Innocent I say
Gob smacked they left comments on...
Rise of the footsoldier 47; a very good professional hit
I swear HITMAN has become a meme.
More this please The Sun. Great documentary.
It is quite good for the Sun.
It nearly kills me to say it, but I agree
Yes definitely. It could of done with being far longer
If Michael Steele was in the range rover then why wasn't his DNA found in the range rover?
Thinking about it, there must have been more than one shooter. Surely as soon as the gunman pulled out the weapon to take out the first guy, the other 2 people in the car would have at least opened the door to get out. All the doors were still closed which would lead you to think that they've been taken from both sides??
Have you seen a pump action in action lol
@@glenoncrows Lol I was gonna say. The sudden shock of hearing a shotgun go off that close to you. You wouldn't have time to react
@Gabe Swellington Yeah they left Tate last on purpose and shot him in the gut first, before they shot him in the head. They wanted him to suffer as Tate had terrorised a lot of people himself. I don't feel sorry or bad for any of them. If you sign up to that lifestyle, you know and accept that you will most likely meet your end in this way. Occupational hazard as such lol.
Yeah I wondered about that, whoever did it must have got them all from the same side and let off 3 shots fast to stop any of them at least trying to open a door and do one.
The police should be able to tell if shots were fired from both sides. Gunshot wounds tend to have small entry large exit wounds as the energy expands on impact. Buckshot/slug may be different thou I'm no expert
No chance they couldn't prove where they was and lied in court they was involved one way or another. Even Craig's gf said he was going to meet Micky the pilot
Once again with these ppl, never done a real job... bullying ppl, selling drugs etc are not real ways to make a living... some of us have got real jobs and see ppl like this as menaces to society
Worse Tony.not menaces,but total wrong uns.
As a carer for older people,I will never make or be able to drive or live in the nice houses these guys do...
But I have peace of mind,and THAT...is priceless.
No one cares.
As the detectives had said at the start, it was a professional hit, you would need to know that area well due to it's isolation and also where were all the DNA/Finger prints evidence. I would ask where Carlton Leach fitted in here since John said in the Bernard O'Mahoney documentary he had never seen him or heard of him before it's like he has come out of nowhere.
Has all the hallmarks of an intelligence operation possibly due to the death and uproar over the death of Leah Betts at that time due to the coverage that caused.
Carlton leach was loosely involved with Tucker(Nigel Benn security)the rest is basically b.S
The other thing is that it was a rural farmland area with a shooting range literally just down the road. Nobody would think twice about hearing gunshots and it's been suggested the killing was timed to blend in. Also, the track doesn't connect to the shooting range so no members of the public would be there.
It's very likely the trio died around 6:30-7pm. Tucker was a well liked regular at a local restaurant and was on good terms with the staff - he had a group booking for 8pm, and despite phoning earlier in the evening to increase the size of the booking for 2 extra guests, they were all no-shows.
The idea that it takes a professional hitman, as so many think, is fxcking hilarious. Stuff like this happens 25 times a week in the US and is carried out by stunned as your arse ghetto teenagers. Capping 3 guys trapped inside a car that you've got the cold drop on takes only a pump action shotgun, 7-10 seconds, and sufficient rage, ....why would there be any "DNA/finger prints" if the killer stands 3 feet away, blasts for 10 seconds and walks off on bare ground?
@@barrybarnes96 it would take a hit man, this is not a normal crime for the UK, we all know the yanks are trigger happy idiots.
@@barrybarnes96 My thoughts exactly. A 15 year old with a pair of gloves could get away with this.
The planner was Michael Gordon dolton ex army 23 years , trigger man was Norman Boyle ex SAS he was part of the operation the failed attempt to bring back Ronnie b I first met jack w in a pub called the anchor with Michal d and Albert burrnet which I bought a ford Sierra later found out it was stolen after that mick g Norman and jack w had many meeting. All the other men where their to muddy the waters
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Bang on gerry pal
Maybe but this is a much better watch.
Where did crime scene to courtroom rob all his material ? That fool just makes videos of all the conspiracy’s that people no about and regurgitates it over and over. Plus if Jack whomes is innocent why did he keep saying no comment in interview ? Doesn’t sound like an innocent man does it
Everyone in the know, knows it was a Canning Town hit, why has this fallacy been dragged out for so long!
Aha!
Jimmy,Jimmy you might very well have hit the nail there.
Remember tucker and rolfe had robbed stolen travellers cheques from a dude in East London?
Those cheques "belonged" to a very serious firm from that Manor.
Nipper would have gone too,but he obviously did not know tucker was going to Rob the guy.
It was only a matter of time before TTR got whacked.
I will always think that Leah Betts father did it after over hearing a conversation he was having with someone in our local pub.
Interesting.... Could you elaborate please, or as much as you can, I know you probably can't say too much on here
BS
@@christopheredison2094 She died at the club they "ran" after taking a bad e they supplied.
Not rocket science is it, I think most fathers worth there weight would do the same.
If that happened to any of my kids I would of tracked them down and killed them as well.
@@LeTon75 she took the drug at home actually and died due to drinking way too much water rather than a bad e as you put it.
@@MegaBagera Thankyou
People who tax drug dealers such always end up dead the drug dealers never forgot even if it was 2 years prior.
Steven French is still alive as is that guy from Middlesbrough
The villain you call as just Billy is who we all know it is and he gave 3 different statements on the day he was arrested, so why is one of his statements dealt with as the truth ?
Booooom!
Another thing John,..."billy" said he got paid 5 large for a 90 minute there and back car trip.
FIVE large just for driving!
More like he got paid....whatever... to make those statements as a...."deflection"?.
And what is wrong with that when darren nichols gavé 6 statmeants before arriving at one theyd use
Nichols said steel had overalls and surgical gloves on when he got back in the car after the shooting...
When did steel have time to get changed because I’m sure they would of suspicious of steel suited up like a farm vet....
Correct. Nicholls story is that Steele got into the rear of the Range Rover wearing a boiler suit, surgical gloves and carrying a shotgun in a bag. Completely ridiculous.
@@TMEYEMLB are you both forgetting Steele worked on his boats and was a welder/engineer LOL Wholmes was also a mechanic....
@@Growdankmeds WELDERS/MECHANICS dont wear surgical Gloves to start with ......
@@Hanzey1966 yes they do you clown LOL what you think they wear when doing an oil change???
Everybody except the public know they never did it.
Now You Are Milking It Really ,
I heard it was 2 Chinese hit men and when they got arested for it ...
They said it was alll Wong......
They didn't have a cosworth they had a wow wow, a (Volvo) I've got a friend who works in an insurance office, thought he was making a claim about a dog, turned out to be his Volvo. His Wow Wow.
Classic humour bro.
Today, 29 years ago, on a dark snowy Essex laneway, now part of gangland folklore but lives no more, 6th December 1995 🛑☃️🚔
We all know Leah Betts dad was heavily involved
nah
BS
@@bennyboy2079 well after you’ve put your point of view over so eloquently, I’m might have to reconsider my opinion
Can't blame him
@@BG-ef8sk lol