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You lads not doing weekly podcasts anymore? You missed the week before last and no podcast on Wednesday this week either. Has it become a bi weekly thing?
I can’t find my other comment so I will put this here: Every Tesla SHOULD have cruise control as standard! You pull the cruise lever toward you once, for autopilot twice 👍 Edit: You should do the NC500 or SC500 with a caravan in the Tesla!!
With an average of 63,000 miles a year and 172 miles a day for 365 days a year for 6 and a half years, it’s definitely one of the highest mileage cars in the UK for its age and type, if not the highest.
@@Naotaku it will be under warranty as teslas that age don't have kilometer limit in warranty. My guess is 10-15k for battery without warranty at tesla and maybe few hundreds somewhere else to fix the problem.
@@tompperro6589 you dont know anything about this car. This car was refused a battery warranty as they had already been replaced twice mate. I knew the previous owner it was an airport shuttle car and a nightmare at that. Its on its 3rd set of headlights the broken one he even silicone pasted around it and it went too after one winter. Tesla have locked this car out of its warranty about 2yr ago. The interior is mint becaue he bought the big rubberised seat covers like most taxis do. Shuttle minivans do over a million miles with very little issue, the toyota car shuttles we use do 700-800k miles and the Teslas weve had in usually do 300-400k max. Cheers.
This can be done on the service menu in the car. Hold the E on the Model S sign in software settings and type service and run a health test. Will give remaining battery life and degradation as a percentage.
It is still on warranty, probably it is not the first battery and motor in car with that mileage. They do such distances but no one mentions that usually they have like third motor and second battery. It is no problem with car on warranty, but it would be a big big problem for normal users of cheaper older cars.
@@konradm4403I mean the batteries do actually sometimes last that long, I have seen ones with that mileage on their first battery. The refurbished motors Tesla puts in are usually not as good quality as the new ones though so that's why you can see people going through multiple under warranty even though the first one lasted 250-300k miles.
Boys we need a video of you taking the Tesla to the Nurburgring with all the range anxiety and creative ways to pass the long charging times and to finish it off nicely with a lap and verdict from Misha
You Dont really get range anxiety with all the tesla superchargers nowadays, especially when the car calculates the route and expected range at arrival of those charging stations.
Misha said he's not driving any more shitboxes on the ring. He probably pissed someone at the ring off for doing the shitbox collabs and promoting unsafe cars.
Just to give some other context to the public charging costs, which are ridiculous. In Ireland only charging my model Y at night on cheap 0.07kwh electricity, it has cost me €85 to drive 5,300KM. EVs offer huge savings IF you can home charge cheaply. My main issue with EVs, like most green things I suppose, is those that can benefit the most are those that can otherwise afford it, whereas those in a council house with a cheap petrol have to pay rising petrol costs.
Unfortunately most people can't charge at home. I live in Norwich and only 44% of houses have a driveway? Most cities struggle to get above 50% and this is were EV's are supposed to be best used.
@@leedent8211There is affordable public charging of course. There's a whole spectrum between what was mentioned in the video (supermarket fast charging) and very cheap home charging. It's not because you don't have a driveway that you don't have a garage/car park. Those can be equipped with chargers and will be. If you often use your car, maybe you can charge at work? If you don't, a normal street/shop charger costs less than half what was mentioned in the video. In the end, most cars are stationary over 95% of the time, it's not impossible to find an affordable charging solution where your car is stationary. The actual percentage of people with an issue charging will be a lot lower than just those who don't have a driveway.
This is a big issue and it needs resolving. Anyone who drives a low amount of miles and does not have home charging will save money with a petrol car - it is totally creating the wrong incentives. Government needs to intervene as the market isn't working. Doesn't particularly impact me as I have home charging.
@@tonygarlingewarren7456I have to disagree. Watch Conways’s Ted Talk about EVs then do the math yourself. Also most EV owners/wanters don’t care about the environment. An EV will be my next vehicle and the environment is not on my list of reasons.
That's outrageous!!! Having to pay to upgrade something that's already installed in the car. Just goes to show that you never OWN the damn car, it's not yours.
As someone that doesn't know much and is always willing to learn much about cars. Taylor always seems to impress me with his knowledge in cars. Picking issues, describing it to even make me understand it. Anyway enough with the waffling 🙂. Taylor love you, nice vid, Alex.
Nice find! Some things to look out for: Lower control arms front, these are well known to fail. Upper control arm front known to rust alot in colder countries. Control arm rear can be cause of vibration, not sure on the top of my head what its called, but it mounts to the engine and the rear subframe. Rear control arm mounts, known to break and it will make the rear wheel tilt in a angel making the car unable to drive. Headlights, Facelift cars are wellknown for the headlight failure as you shown in the video, cheaper ones can be found in China for about 300 euro. Electric rear hatch, known to make sounds and leak. Rear camera, as shown in video, fails. Side cameras in front fenders are prone to get burnt, eventually needs replacing. 12 Volt battery is known to be bad sooner than expected, no a huge deal tho. Hood latch is metal and bolted to the aluminium hood, corodes after a while. Ground fittings in the chassi snaps and corrode, this indicates most often issues with stearing "lost steering function" or random electrical issues, the fittings are most prone to failure under the "Frunk" in the front bay of the car. Battery heater module dies, quite a pain if you have a AWD car (D-Model), its mounted on the torpedo wall in the front, only way to reach it if you have a front motor would be to drop the front subframe or HV-Battery. Heating element inside the car is known to fail, it sucks in moisture from the front, important to swap filter and best to have the extra very large "Biodefence" filter, can be found online and glued in place if you wish to do so! On the front wall of the car there is a "junktionbox", alof of the large fuses are located here, badly documented by Tesla, and if you get problems with heater its common the big fuse for the heater in this box blows, its hard to get to if you have a AWD car. Rear brakelight in the rear window is known to burn out LEDS, sad thing is that its glued onto the rear window, no way to replace it unles you cut out the rear glass from the rear hatch. Earily front seats can rust and snap in their construction so it moves more, for safety, replace the seat. HV-Battery fuse, these ones are known to need to be replaced. AC pipe left side inside wheel arch, front, known to break, and quite important since the car uses the AC to cool the coolant when charging on hot days. Moisture in rear lights, drains holes are almost always clogged, can be cleaned by removing the rear lights. Seals and water leaking from panoramic sunroof, very important to clean out the drainholes, water finds its way down the A-pillars inside the car otherwise, and it will make its way to the main electronics and fuses, making a complete low voltage electric mess.. Handles micro switches and gear snapping, kits to fix this are all around the internet. Wiper assembely lose, useally it can be fixed to torq it correctly again, but it is also known to snap in a specific position, in that case it must be replaced, in the video you indicate marks on the hood, and that is well known from the wiper assembely moving too much. Calipers are known to need some love about every other year, so that the pads can move easily. Coolant three and four way valves are prone to leaking. Front motor (SDU) are known to fail too early, any high pitch noise or scraping when letting go of the throttle is bad. Rear motor LDU version (if preformance version, or some RWD version = LDU) are known to fail because of a coolant seal in the engine, can be checked by removing the speed sensor on the side of the block of the drive unit, if any liquid, moisture, or even rust is located its indicating a seal failure, drive unit needs to be repaired before it completely fails. Steering rack is known to rust shut, so that it gets hard to turn, needs replacement in that case. MCU1 has the problem with EMMC, for sure check that this is changed on the unit if you have a Nvidia Tegra processor in your car ( MCU1 ). Screens on the cars with panoramic sunroofs are known to "Delaminate", this can be found by seeing "bubbles" or a "airgaps" in the screen, needs fixing since the fluid leaks into the unit itself, will cause short eventually. Breather Valves on HV-Battery Back are known to clog, can be cleaned but be careful with and no preasure washers. Top of the HV battery is also starting to report early rusting in the front part around the HV fuse and "tower". Small window on front doors are known to move and leak. 85, keep away from these vehicles, the batteries are 200 % confirmed to have issues and completely fail, the eariler models as well, 60, 70, and 90's have started reporting simular weird issues with the HV battery, New tech for the batteries was introduced around 2015 is much much more reliable. If you have airsuspension, that is known to fail.. If you need any help or somethin, feel free to reach out, but overall, amazing car, i own one as well with free supercharging, and I cant go back to an ICE car. Sorry for spelling mistakes!
17:39 I think most complaints of Tesla build quality arose after the Model 3 launched... Because Tesla then had to grow their manufacturing capacity beyond what was reasonable to continue enforcing good quality just so they could supply enough Model 3's
It was mostly the Fremont assembly, a Toyota factory that was repurposed for Tesla, with a lot of issues (panel gaps etc). Berlin and Shanghai are built from ground up and don't have assembly issues. Their paint quality is terrible everywhere though. New multicoat from Berlin is slightly better but still has QA issues.
Nope. We got Teslas (model s) from 2012 here in Norway. The build quality was cack from the start, and still is patchy to this day. You never know when you buy a new one, it could be alright or it could be shite, the quality is very inconsistent. There is also alot of strange engineering. Stuff that a legacy would never do.
The issue with the wipers hitting the edge of the bonnet is the wiper driver mechanism which. Tesla can replace the mechanism for a few hundred pounds. You do get TACC without purchase but it’s radar cruise control only and doesn’t change lanes without Enhanced Auto Pilot. My 2014 Model S has done 250,000Km and is similarly robust, with very little wrong with it, including the air suspension. Go on a road trip, forget a caravan, you can sleep in the back with a blow up mattress and it will even keep the AC on whilst you sleep. If it’s a free supercharging for life car a road trip won’t cost much.
Nope, not for this age of car. It’s only under warranty for battery failure. The degradation warranty only applies to newer cars but is also mileage limited.
@@hydraflyer no, it really depends on the specifics of the age and model of the Tesla, believe me I own a P90D and tried to make a claim for a new battery for degradation.
@@robj3857 I suppose over the years the warranties have varied and it also makes sense for it to have mileage limits. Would be interesting to know if this Tesla has the original battery pack & drive motor/s...
To answer taylors “special tires” question… no.. you don’t HAVE to.. but you’ll benefit from lower rolling resistance as well as lower acoustics inside the car..
@@Carlos1180 Most people dont buy these for track days etc etc but yeah.. most that do.. do infact swap them to PS5's or.. for reasons of impartiality.. other performance tire brands.
Hi guys, greetings from Oxford. Amazing that a car can last 450k miles, I’m 58 so most of my driving has been done in the age of combustion. Despite this, electric vehicles excite me, smooth, quiet, powerful, almost no maintenance, and potentially cheap to run if you can charge at home.
@HowDidIGet3700Subsit’s kinda all over lol. They said it themselves- “I don’t want to like it, but I do.” They’re looking at it with a negative view to begin with.
The battery was replaced 3 times already, that costs 14 grand a pop give or take. The range is also around 200 miles in mild weather at low speed, like a 30 year old Vespa. Not that exciting or impressive or cost effective when you look at the details. It also had multiple motor replacements at 6 grand a pop.
Been saying for years now, if they really want electric cars to take over then stop with the luxury cars and give people a sub £15 grand basic bitch car
Run our Tesla for about 2pp Mile then again we charge at home on overnight cheap power, 330+ mile range means very little on-route charging. It’s amazing how cheap EV’s are when you do a bit of joined up thinking !
the yearly depreciation on yours is about 5x my yearly cost of running my car plus purchase price spread over 5 years. Fuel costs, I worked out an EV would be about half the cost, but that was before I factored in how I would drive it, and the massive increases in electricity per kWh, I think currently (pun intended) an EV would save me 30% which would work out to £600 a year. So I've need a £6k EV to last me 10 years just to break even. So no, not at all cheap. Just some non-spaghetti thinking for you!
We run our BMW I3 very cheaply, for the first few years we never paid to charge because of the multiple free charging points. When that perk went we charged cheaply overnight, 7 pence a kwh, so with our lifetime average of 4.7 miles kwh you can work out how cheap it is to run. Its had tyres and one 12 volts battery in 70k ICE cars can't even get close to its running costs. Amazingly there is still free charging around so it's still saving us even more money. We have a campervan so I know the costs of running ICE vehicles and even with depreciation they don't even become close to running an EV. I don't think we will change the I3 so it won't matter to us, it doesn't rust as its aluminium, carbon fiber and plastic, its very light and drives very well
@@miff227I don’t care abou depreciation because I keep my cars for years and many miles. If people care about depreciation, buy used or lease. And BtW, all us EV owners know about gas cars. We’ve all owned them.
Honestly, as petrolheads tend to do, I expected you guys tearing this car a new one. But fair play, you went in with a level head on the mechanics and still had fun with it. For a second hand shitbox, it has faired well. You know what, I wouldn't even call this a shitbox.
I know you want suggestions that make sense for a journalistic video, however I want you guys to go mental with this thing, tesla owners are too precious, mod this thing to oblivion, ride hight, tires, suspension, bodywork. Save a bit of money for the project and live a little.
taxis i believe have to have a mot more often which may explain why everything looks so good on this tesla. also the gov was paying subsidies for luxury car taxis
The basic free autopilot should include adaptive cruise and lane assist. It should just work. After the car has been reset (due to change of ownership) you have to enable it in the menu and confirm some terms and conditions. Enhanced (2k) includes auto park and lane switching. FSD (9k) includes the traffic light recognition and so on (which doesnt really do much due to lack of development in EU and laws crippling the development). These features are also very limited by the autopilot hardware inside, judging by the age it would probably be hardware 2.0 and it wouldn't be able to do this anyway. They swap the hardware in case you order it to 3.0 (or they would have if you ordered the option from the start). They swapped my unit for free since I had the option when ordering the car (back then there was only one flavor costing 2k, all current owners got a free upgrade). Edit: also your warranty is limited by age or mileage, whichever comes first. Both drivetrain (motors) and battery. I don't know them on the top of my head but you exceeded both.
@@Low760Well it’s a paid option in most cars. The difference is here you can change your mind and add it after purchase. Newer Teslas have adaptive cruise and autosteer as standard, paid extras are auto lane change, autopark, summon (drive the car into/out of parking spaces with your phone) and the full self driving which I’m not quite sure what it adds in Europe.
That is so true. I have a Tesla and when there are many cars at the supercharger I hate when drivers start a circle of discussion who has longer ranger, lower consumption or whatever else cult discussion leads into. I just want to drive this car and I don't care. Petrol guys say that this is just a tool for a job without any passion, and I'm using it like a tool for a job but enthusiasts don't like it so being in the middle feels like a real outsider
I feel you. Thats all the ignorant people ask. Not about the fun acceleration or the extremly nice infotainment and how the high mileage cars have barely any issues. I love to drive my m3 and in emotional with it in a positive way but these peoples are screwing with the experience. Fk em
How about a "fuel" economy test of the tesla vs a car of its same age range and a car of 10+ years older that are petrol. As you said yourself the range and price puts people off, but it would be good to see how good or bad it is against its petrol counterparts. Could also put it up against a new-ish tesla for comparison? Could also do the test by taking them all to the nurburgring?
The effective fuel price for a EV gets mostly determined by where you charge it, if you can charge it at home with solar the petrol one will have no chance, if you fast charge it, petrol seems like a bargain in comparison
@@supersploon4177I charged my non-Tesla at a Supercharger yesterday and paid 47p per kWh. Bearing in mind that fast chargers are never cheap, my 300bhp EV (3 passengers, cruising at 80mph+, heated seats, air con and boot full to the brim) averaged the equivalent of 55mpg in terms of cost. Then consider that my first “tank” of electricity was charged at home for 7.5p per kWh means the first almost 300 miles of my journey cost around £6 in total. It’s really nowhere near as bad as they make out 👍
At some point please do a proper winter driving test. Daily driving in sub-zero weather, i'm really interested in how the range is effected by cold environments.
I drive mine in very cold winters. About 20-30% less range but it helps to do preconditioning at home while plugged in before leaving (heat the car). Still plenty enough range for daily use.
2 problems. It won’t charge while driving unless it’s just being towed “in gear” and charging via regen, secondly they aren’t certified for towing in Europe/UK, even though I fitted a detachable towbar to mine for a bike rack and have never towed my boat with it honest guv.
I'll be honest I saw the title and assumed it was one of the EV focused channels I watch (yes I like electric and petrols) and was surprised in a good way to your reactions as yes there is tongue and cheek which is why I love you guys but you didn't just bash it as you realised its pretty good. I'd love to see you do a long journey in it to show its really not as hard as some think but then go crazy with it - make it a batmobile and go racing. Thoroughly impressed how well it held up after 450k miles proving they can go as long if not longer. I have both a Turbo and an EV and having that instant effortless torque is great for daily driving but I admit on a day off I love the sound of a nice engine :D Keep doing what you do!
Reckon it would be funny to see you try to fix the broken headlight (instead of just replacing it). Definitely do a tow bar! Should do a range test now that its over 450,000! Could also see how much the range is affected when towing
They hide the abysmal oxidised folds rather than welds behind the tray panels. They know exactly what they are doing as far as hiding the fisher price build. Cheers
@@_shreyash_anand they oxidise mate it might not look brown like rust but they rurn into a tin like material with whiteish grey powder all around it. Its the rolled seams that get them
14:38 no no no you do not have to pay for cruise control, or even basic autopilot, which steers itself on straight roads, but will not stop, blinker, turn, etc, on its own
@@bdogmccool8096 Is that different in the UK than elsewhere? In 2013 it was an option, but everyone specced it so they included it in 2014 all the way until 2019, at least in Denmark and the US.
I drove some Teslas at a job I had last summer, among others the top of the line, P100D, ludocris mode 720 hp first gen model S, I'll never forget the first time i mashed the throttle, in ludocris mode, from (almost) a stand still, the ammount of pressure pushing me into the seat straight away and the acceleration was insane, and the card reader that was mounted on the dashboard ended up in the backseat! 😅 They also spoil you rotten, you barely have to do anything yoursel,f no shifting gears, no braking unless in an emergency or if you want to come to a complete stop, no switching full beams on and off when driving at night.... Hell, with the model X you don't even have to open the bloody door when you walk up too it! After my first wekkend when I went to drive home in my own 20 year old, manual petrol powered car, not only did I almost stall at every intersection because I forgot to change down, but every time I took my foot of the throttle and DID'NT feel that regenerative braking I had a mini-panic attack for a split second until it dawned on me 🤣
I think this is the best description on how evolutionary EVs are to modern automobiles. Even if they are not suited for most users, I hope that many features will be brought to petrol cars just so they are more competitive for each other.
You are going to have to do a Petrol V Diesel v Electric challenge and score each one to give a grand winner - with racing, long distance (with hills), passenger comfort considerations and cost of running - and all cars being of similar dimensions..
--- I’m a X 56 yr old mechanic, I bought a Tesla mod 3 , 3 yrs ago, I’ve done 40,000 miles , the only work it’s had is 4 tyres & washer fluid . I’m sooooooo happy , wished I’d done it earlier! Bye bye bye bmw 😂
Should check if it has the free supercharging for life. If it wasn't taken to a Tesla dealer should still have it. Worth its weight in gold alone if it has it
It would be interesting to look at a Mercedes S class 7 series A8 of same mileage to see how they compare body condition rust , interiors , mechanical components i think the Tesla would compare very well
13:53 I thought every Tesla comes with basic acc , lane keeping etc. And then there are the more capable packages which can change lanes ant full self drivinge etc. Or was it different on these old Teslas?
Now they do. But that year, could get the car with just dumb cruise. Not TACC. My 2017 is the same. Then pay extra for the TACC, AP, EAP, FSD depending on what you want. But these guys should have dumb cruise (pull lever one time.)
Half way through this vid: that’s like fitting all the options to cars but having a connection fee so instead of specing a car they all come fully fitted unless you pay more. Which is a big brain move cause knowing it’s got potential you’ll pay for what you want
The answer is production. Cruise control components have been fitted for decades on cars that don't have the capabilities, same as wiring for for example fog lights. It would just complicate the production process to have it all differently.
which would be nice if the full autopilot was full self driving (as anyone else than musk would understand it) and it came with some insurance for that. no cruise control is kind of a laugh though :D
@@lasskinn474 I reckon if full auto pilot was a thing here they’d have more on the road but until then I can’t see it working, none of the car are practical they’re a gimmick instead of being a working vehicle
@@angela1984a I was making a joke about the depleted state of the battery pack on their 450,000 miles Tesla... And about how annoying it is when battery powered journeys have to include a stop to recharge...
@@lint8391 It's also pretty annoying that you won't be able to enjoy summer in the south of Europe because the Heat will just be Unbearable. Which also means that basically all forms of agriculture in the south of Europe will become untenable. And that's not even mentioning that large parts of this planet will become so hot that those places will be uninhabitable - imagine the migration... Ever checked out a graph over the rising mean sea-level? Where to you think that graph is going?... So pick your 'poison'...
@@angela1984a A lower planetary population would be an effective solution to global warming. Lower global birth rates may come in naturally as more and more countries develop higher standards of living and more "westernised" cultures. With cars, there's a huge amount of energy required in making them. So that continuing to run a 15 year old car makes more sense from a global warming point of view than buying a new Tesla.
I think much of what was mentioned in this video is why I prefer EVs so much as a daily driver. I spent 20 years driving modified internal combustion engine vehicles as my daily driver. I bought my first EV in 2018 and haven't looked back since then. My EV doesn't replace my "fun" car, but it has tons of power for daily driving and will out accelerate 95% of the vehicles on the road, it handles much better than other cars of the same style, its extremely quiet and comfortable, and I charge at home for a very small fraction of what it would cost to drive an ICE vehicle with similar size and level of acceleration. My EV SUV is more energy efficient than a Prius, yet it's substantially faster, more fun to drive, quiet, comfortable and practical than a Prius. I drive it 100 miles per day, and have a fun ICE project vehicle for the weekend.
I just rented a tesla model Y dual motor + range 4x4 variant for a week whilst I am away and I am blown away by it so far.. the acceleration is amazing and the ride comfort is something that I've yet to feel in another car. I also have had to use the foot break very few times as taking the foot off of the accelerator breaks for me, took a bit of getting used to but I love it. Maybe one day I'll have to get one myself... shame they don't make a sound!
The screen allows you to put in dark mode, so not in your face and in auto will switch to dark mode at night. Chill mode gives you a bit more range. You get 10 years free data so you have Spotify and web browsing etc. they didn’t find the games or whoopie cushion! Tesla sat nav plans in supercharging stops, which calculate how long you need to be plugged in for to get you home. You can use any charger, but with Tesla charger they’ll get you to 80% in 30-40 minutes, although you tend to be on chargers 10-15 minutes. You need to see what the cost is per KW hour. Tesla 43p, BP around 60p. Wall charger and economy night tariff can be as low as 9p. The plug in ‘granny’ charger can range from 4amp to 14amp. I’ve got a non-Tesla whip gets hot and drops to 4amps. Wall chargers at home go up to 32 amp
And to add. I traded in an i3 for the same model on 16 plate with a modest 167,000 on the clock and dodgy steering rack which was quotes at £3.5k to fix by Tesla. Now sorted and I bloody love it!
It's not exactly the same though. I mean I love my VW ID but with some spirited driving the range just dissapears and my previous car would certainly increase in milage but nowhere near as much. I don't mind that too much though, my biggest issue is highway speeds where my previous car would sit happily at 140 km/h at 0.5 litres/10km but again, at 140 the range on the EV just dissapears, that in my opinion is the biggest flaw with todays EVs
The issue isn’t how quickly the fuel is used when you boot it, it’s where to refill and how long it takes vs a petrol car. I know if I want a spirited drive I’ll cane the petrol but I can pull into any fuel station and be back on the road in 5 mins.
@@markygti138 Unless there is a fuel shortage of which we have had many since I started driving, or just a long queue at the petrol stations... I can charge my car at my house and never even need to stop a petrol station.
@@VXGaming the roadster is literally a 15 year old car it is in no way as bad as Clarkson made out Mike even said in the drivetribe video he thought that Clarkson had been unfairly critical of the car
Prob has seen a lot of fast charging, I’d expect it to be near 70% - which would provide plenty of range for every day driving for most, given its condition, a bargain tbh!
@@mamba101Tesla has stats that the battery has > 90% life after 200k miles so I'd expect closer to 80%. But it depends on heaps of other factors like fast charging like you say, but a smart owner would know to keep it in between 20 and 80% for best battery health and charging speed for a nickel based lithium ion battery
For context 80% of properties in the UK have access to home charging, charging at home would cost you £4 for 200miles… when quoting off Tesla supercharger network you also have to use fuel prices at motorway service prices…
Love you guys! Out of interest will Ethan and Jack be joining you or the TDC guys? And will you be putting out a memorial video for the death of car throttle? 😅
I'm disappointed that high on your list of modifications the two words 'tow bar ' are there, i grew up with max power ,fast car, ccc did you buy caraverners weekly, towing monthly ?
I think it'd be interesting to race it against miles to the nuringburg ring round and back but for every second the tesla is faster round the ring is 10 minutes head start it has on miles for the way back
The old Model S can’t do a flat out lap of the ring without overheating the battery and cooking the brakes. Never been a problem for me on the road but it’s not a track car
The vast majority of charging is done on home chargers at night rate, at a night rate of 15p it would cost £12.75 to charge with an estimated range of 250 mile
If you put in a service request to replace both headlamps “due to failed DRLs” you get the pair at a discounted price of £1200 the pair, car should have basic cruise as standard, enhanced autopilot give tacc and auto steer, FSD is a pointless unicorn in the UK and basically gives you very little over EAP. Oh and you can’t legally fit a tow bar as it’s not homologated for one. Other service cheat code is if you state a getting service request you will get new front driveshafts and new motor mount fitted for circa £350 (true fact)
Glad to see your venturing into the ev world, I'm actually contemplating getting an ev myself soon. I'll definitely keep an eye out on the progress of this, I'd suggest making it a nice stealth looking Tesla.
i find it soo funny that folks think they are green cars and no one thinks of all the mineing for stuff to build them ,and the chargeing comes from coal or gas power stations and sales are dead,when the new toyota ammonia engine is in full build mode not just in japan ev will be done
there is also the poverty tax, most people don't have the wage to drop a lot of money on a range-efficient EV and EVs are generally more expensive than their petrol counterpart
Which is why i only see electric cars as a "toy" for rich people, and not an alternative to petrol cars for your average person who can't afford it. Imagine bumping this car in the wrong place and having to spend 20 000 for a replacement battery.
Prices have been coming down for years, in the next 5 years a Tesla will be cheaper than a new petrol car, other automakers will be behind because they don’t own their own battery factories and make all the parts to the cars themselves but eventually even they will phase out internal combustion engines
@@jayc342009so you buy a used EV , most of the depreciation has happened after 3 years, then if you consider that the average Ice car is scrapped after 107,000 miles and how much this Tesla would have saved on maintenance let alone petrol costs ( if you charged at home ) . Let's face it if the batteries died at 450k miles it would have saved you enough over it's lifetime to buy a new Tesla ! When can you say that about a fossil fuel car????
As a tesla owner of similar age. Please make sure you get the ccs2 combo upgrade if you don't have it already £220. Also worth getting the mcu2 upgrade again if you don't already £1700.
Mechanically, no. The early ones had a lot of issues related to motors failing (coolant seals), and just other random issues. 2016+ S's have all been super solid from what I've seen. The latest facelift ones have some poor interior panel fitment, but mechanically they're all solid
This is a facelift one so it should already be within the “issues” generation. I think the “issues” though are mostly aimed towards panel gaps and fittings. I haven’t really heard of one just stop working mechanically.
Morning lads, love to see this go round the ring. Potentially do an economy test on the way against another one of your cars. Crack on with the great videos 👍
I've said this a few times: what is the difference between touching that touchscreen (or any touchscreen on any car, especially with airplay/carplay) and your phone, on a secure mount?
It isn't usually mileage that ages it cars it's time, so the quicker a car does higher mileage the better condition it will be, so things like suspension/ arches etc, it shouldn't look bad because it isn't that old
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You lads not doing weekly podcasts anymore? You missed the week before last and no podcast on Wednesday this week either. Has it become a bi weekly thing?
I can’t find my other comment so I will put this here:
Every Tesla SHOULD have cruise control as standard! You pull the cruise lever toward you once, for autopilot twice 👍
Edit: You should do the NC500 or SC500 with a caravan in the Tesla!!
Has it got free supercharging? As it’s the right age to have it.
Shouldn’t be any rust as it’s all aluminium apart from the suspension components
Alex has given up the gym ? Putting on a layer of weight.
With an average of 63,000 miles a year and 172 miles a day for 365 days a year for 6 and a half years, it’s definitely one of the highest mileage cars in the UK for its age and type, if not the highest.
You’d think so, but I know of a company who’s vehicle do well over 100k per year.
Airport shuttle services can easily rack up 100k miles a year.
@@cvwrightfor the civilian market not the commercial market then...
some taxi drivers do 10 hours of driving every day for years on end, you’d be surprised haha
@@samholdsworth420 The Tesla was a Taxi
tesla rally car.
Yes.
I agree we need to see a Tesla Rally Car !!
rally
This or Track car!
Beside the rx8 on hilux rims and bf Goodrich’s 😂
Basic autopilot with cruise control and radar with steering is included.
Take it to a Tesla service center to see what it would cost to have everything fixed!
Including the battery pack :)
@@Naotaku it will be under warranty as teslas that age don't have kilometer limit in warranty. My guess is 10-15k for battery without warranty at tesla and maybe few hundreds somewhere else to fix the problem.
@@tompperro6589 you dont know anything about this car. This car was refused a battery warranty as they had already been replaced twice mate. I knew the previous owner it was an airport shuttle car and a nightmare at that. Its on its 3rd set of headlights the broken one he even silicone pasted around it and it went too after one winter. Tesla have locked this car out of its warranty about 2yr ago. The interior is mint becaue he bought the big rubberised seat covers like most taxis do. Shuttle minivans do over a million miles with very little issue, the toyota car shuttles we use do 700-800k miles and the Teslas weve had in usually do 300-400k max. Cheers.
@@JimWhitesRolledUp20noteThis is really interesting. What brand are the shuttle minivans?
Doubt if Musk himself could afford that .
We would love to see you bringing it to Tesla to see how much exactly the battery has degraded over 450.000 miles
This can be done on the service menu in the car. Hold the E on the Model S sign in software settings and type service and run a health test. Will give remaining battery life and degradation as a percentage.
@@ColeBenderI have heard that it's really not accurate if you look it at the menu and gives you more optimistical result then the truth..
It is still on warranty, probably it is not the first battery and motor in car with that mileage. They do such distances but no one mentions that usually they have like third motor and second battery. It is no problem with car on warranty, but it would be a big big problem for normal users of cheaper older cars.
@@konradm4403I mean the batteries do actually sometimes last that long, I have seen ones with that mileage on their first battery. The refurbished motors Tesla puts in are usually not as good quality as the new ones though so that's why you can see people going through multiple under warranty even though the first one lasted 250-300k miles.
@@konradm4403got any proof?
Bro theres the guy thats done 700,000 miles in a Tesla when they launched with free charging for life.
That will have cost them!
He's on his 4th battery pack though lol
@@jordanbell44204 batteries for 1.2million miles sounds pretty solid😂
Try to run a ice without swapping engine or transmission for that long
Boys we need a video of you taking the Tesla to the Nurburgring with all the range anxiety and creative ways to pass the long charging times and to finish it off nicely with a lap and verdict from Misha
no ''we'' don't
You Dont really get range anxiety with all the tesla superchargers nowadays, especially when the car calculates the route and expected range at arrival of those charging stations.
No a testa on the nurburgring is a saftey hazard to everyone on that track
Misha said he's not driving any more shitboxes on the ring. He probably pissed someone at the ring off for doing the shitbox collabs and promoting unsafe cars.
@@SoldererOfFortune where did he say that? not doubting, just haven't been up to date
Fella who got one early with the free supercharging for life has done well over a million miles in his.
Mine has free supercharger for the lifetime of the vehicle even facelift model.
And apparently tesla now refuses to sell him a new battery
With 13 new motors a 3 sets of batteries. Great
@@carcctv under warranty. What more could one want
@@b.w.9392 buy used one
I love how the “add fully autopilot” is just a simple button similar to adding Onions to your shopping cart
Just to give some other context to the public charging costs, which are ridiculous. In Ireland only charging my model Y at night on cheap 0.07kwh electricity, it has cost me €85 to drive 5,300KM.
EVs offer huge savings IF you can home charge cheaply.
My main issue with EVs, like most green things I suppose, is those that can benefit the most are those that can otherwise afford it, whereas those in a council house with a cheap petrol have to pay rising petrol costs.
Unfortunately most people can't charge at home. I live in Norwich and only 44% of houses have a driveway? Most cities struggle to get above 50% and this is were EV's are supposed to be best used.
@@leedent8211There is affordable public charging of course. There's a whole spectrum between what was mentioned in the video (supermarket fast charging) and very cheap home charging.
It's not because you don't have a driveway that you don't have a garage/car park. Those can be equipped with chargers and will be.
If you often use your car, maybe you can charge at work?
If you don't, a normal street/shop charger costs less than half what was mentioned in the video. In the end, most cars are stationary over 95% of the time, it's not impossible to find an affordable charging solution where your car is stationary.
The actual percentage of people with an issue charging will be a lot lower than just those who don't have a driveway.
EV's are NOT green in any way, and what's wrong with council houses?
This is a big issue and it needs resolving. Anyone who drives a low amount of miles and does not have home charging will save money with a petrol car - it is totally creating the wrong incentives. Government needs to intervene as the market isn't working.
Doesn't particularly impact me as I have home charging.
@@tonygarlingewarren7456I have to disagree. Watch Conways’s Ted Talk about EVs then do the math yourself. Also most EV owners/wanters don’t care about the environment. An EV will be my next vehicle and the environment is not on my list of reasons.
Taylor's initial reaction...... Brilliant! 😂😂
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Yeah it was staged.
Do not translate... भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु………….
That's outrageous!!! Having to pay to upgrade something that's already installed in the car. Just goes to show that you never OWN the damn car, it's not yours.
You have the imagine once out of warranty you can hack that? It's insane money when the hardware is already there
As someone that doesn't know much and is always willing to learn much about cars. Taylor always seems to impress me with his knowledge in cars. Picking issues, describing it to even make me understand it. Anyway enough with the waffling 🙂. Taylor love you, nice vid, Alex.
Nice find! Some things to look out for:
Lower control arms front, these are well known to fail.
Upper control arm front known to rust alot in colder countries.
Control arm rear can be cause of vibration, not sure on the top of my head what its called, but it mounts to the engine and the rear subframe.
Rear control arm mounts, known to break and it will make the rear wheel tilt in a angel making the car unable to drive.
Headlights, Facelift cars are wellknown for the headlight failure as you shown in the video, cheaper ones can be found in China for about 300 euro.
Electric rear hatch, known to make sounds and leak.
Rear camera, as shown in video, fails.
Side cameras in front fenders are prone to get burnt, eventually needs replacing.
12 Volt battery is known to be bad sooner than expected, no a huge deal tho.
Hood latch is metal and bolted to the aluminium hood, corodes after a while.
Ground fittings in the chassi snaps and corrode, this indicates most often issues with stearing "lost steering function" or random electrical issues, the fittings are most prone to failure under the "Frunk" in the front bay of the car.
Battery heater module dies, quite a pain if you have a AWD car (D-Model), its mounted on the torpedo wall in the front, only way to reach it if you have a front motor would be to drop the front subframe or HV-Battery.
Heating element inside the car is known to fail, it sucks in moisture from the front, important to swap filter and best to have the extra very large "Biodefence" filter, can be found online and glued in place if you wish to do so!
On the front wall of the car there is a "junktionbox", alof of the large fuses are located here, badly documented by Tesla, and if you get problems with heater its common the big fuse for the heater in this box blows, its hard to get to if you have a AWD car.
Rear brakelight in the rear window is known to burn out LEDS, sad thing is that its glued onto the rear window, no way to replace it unles you cut out the rear glass from the rear hatch.
Earily front seats can rust and snap in their construction so it moves more, for safety, replace the seat.
HV-Battery fuse, these ones are known to need to be replaced.
AC pipe left side inside wheel arch, front, known to break, and quite important since the car uses the AC to cool the coolant when charging on hot days.
Moisture in rear lights, drains holes are almost always clogged, can be cleaned by removing the rear lights.
Seals and water leaking from panoramic sunroof, very important to clean out the drainholes, water finds its way down the A-pillars inside the car otherwise, and it will make its way to the main electronics and fuses, making a complete low voltage electric mess..
Handles micro switches and gear snapping, kits to fix this are all around the internet.
Wiper assembely lose, useally it can be fixed to torq it correctly again, but it is also known to snap in a specific position, in that case it must be replaced, in the video you indicate marks on the hood, and that is well known from the wiper assembely moving too much.
Calipers are known to need some love about every other year, so that the pads can move easily.
Coolant three and four way valves are prone to leaking.
Front motor (SDU) are known to fail too early, any high pitch noise or scraping when letting go of the throttle is bad.
Rear motor LDU version (if preformance version, or some RWD version = LDU) are known to fail because of a coolant seal in the engine, can be checked by removing the speed sensor on the side of the block of the drive unit, if any liquid, moisture, or even rust is located its indicating a seal failure, drive unit needs to be repaired before it completely fails.
Steering rack is known to rust shut, so that it gets hard to turn, needs replacement in that case.
MCU1 has the problem with EMMC, for sure check that this is changed on the unit if you have a Nvidia Tegra processor in your car ( MCU1 ).
Screens on the cars with panoramic sunroofs are known to "Delaminate", this can be found by seeing "bubbles" or a "airgaps" in the screen, needs fixing since the fluid leaks into the unit itself, will cause short eventually.
Breather Valves on HV-Battery Back are known to clog, can be cleaned but be careful with and no preasure washers.
Top of the HV battery is also starting to report early rusting in the front part around the HV fuse and "tower".
Small window on front doors are known to move and leak.
85, keep away from these vehicles, the batteries are 200 % confirmed to have issues and completely fail, the eariler models as well, 60, 70, and 90's have started reporting simular weird issues with the HV battery, New tech for the batteries was introduced around 2015 is much much more reliable.
If you have airsuspension, that is known to fail..
If you need any help or somethin, feel free to reach out, but overall, amazing car, i own one as well with free supercharging, and I cant go back to an ICE car.
Sorry for spelling mistakes!
Just the odd thing then 😮
How do you get free supercharging?
So all in all not a lot then
@@Mohammed-um5pwsome cars were sold with it.
@@Mohammed-um5pwAFAIK early cars did come with it. Tesla killed free charging in 2018 (IIIRC, might be earlier).
17:39 I think most complaints of Tesla build quality arose after the Model 3 launched... Because Tesla then had to grow their manufacturing capacity beyond what was reasonable to continue enforcing good quality just so they could supply enough Model 3's
You mean the notorious "Carpark factory" era ?
It was mostly the Fremont assembly, a Toyota factory that was repurposed for Tesla, with a lot of issues (panel gaps etc). Berlin and Shanghai are built from ground up and don't have assembly issues. Their paint quality is terrible everywhere though. New multicoat from Berlin is slightly better but still has QA issues.
Nope. We got Teslas (model s) from 2012 here in Norway. The build quality was cack from the start, and still is patchy to this day. You never know when you buy a new one, it could be alright or it could be shite, the quality is very inconsistent. There is also alot of strange engineering. Stuff that a legacy would never do.
@@boundish1 -Yeah, Tesla Model S build quality was poor and then improved in 2016 ish. Seems to have got worse with 2022 Plaid model.
The build quality is still abysmal 😂
The issue with the wipers hitting the edge of the bonnet is the wiper driver mechanism which. Tesla can replace the mechanism for a few hundred pounds.
You do get TACC without purchase but it’s radar cruise control only and doesn’t change lanes without Enhanced Auto Pilot.
My 2014 Model S has done 250,000Km and is similarly robust, with very little wrong with it, including the air suspension.
Go on a road trip, forget a caravan, you can sleep in the back with a blow up mattress and it will even keep the AC on whilst you sleep. If it’s a free supercharging for life car a road trip won’t cost much.
The warranty is valid for battery degradation. If its below a certain capacity it gets replaced under warranty.
Nope, not for this age of car. It’s only under warranty for battery failure. The degradation warranty only applies to newer cars but is also mileage limited.
@@robj3857 False if the battery has fallen below 70% in warranty they'll replace it for a refurb unit, new or old.
@@hydraflyer no, it really depends on the specifics of the age and model of the Tesla, believe me I own a P90D and tried to make a claim for a new battery for degradation.
@@hydraflyerunder specific parameters… not every case
@@robj3857 I suppose over the years the warranties have varied and it also makes sense for it to have mileage limits.
Would be interesting to know if this Tesla has the original battery pack & drive motor/s...
To answer taylors “special tires” question… no.. you don’t HAVE to.. but you’ll benefit from lower rolling resistance as well as lower acoustics inside the car..
But lower rolling resistance = less grip. I'd be tempted to bung on some nice, sticky PS5 Michelins and have more fun
@@Carlos1180 It seems to have plenty of grip even with lower rolling resistance tires...
@@Carlos1180 Nah, they're still Michelin ps4's (at least on the model 3's) and grip extremely well in all conditions.
@@Carlos1180 Most people dont buy these for track days etc etc but yeah.. most that do.. do infact swap them to PS5's or.. for reasons of impartiality.. other performance tire brands.
@@angela1984a the lower rolling resistance mostly comes from a stiffened sidewall.
Hi guys, greetings from Oxford. Amazing that a car can last 450k miles, I’m 58 so most of my driving has been done in the age of combustion. Despite this, electric vehicles excite me, smooth, quiet, powerful, almost no maintenance, and potentially cheap to run if you can charge at home.
@HowDidIGet3700SubsI wouldn't trust what they said too much. Heavy anti EV propaganda throughout the video.
I'd like to see what the cost of ownership is on one of those things.
@HowDidIGet3700Subsit’s kinda all over lol. They said it themselves- “I don’t want to like it, but I do.” They’re looking at it with a negative view to begin with.
The battery was replaced 3 times already, that costs 14 grand a pop give or take. The range is also around 200 miles in mild weather at low speed, like a 30 year old Vespa. Not that exciting or impressive or cost effective when you look at the details.
It also had multiple motor replacements at 6 grand a pop.
@HowDidIGet3700Subs I was consciously trying to make my language simple and accessible for EV owners :)
No one ever:
Taylor: "I like the smell of semen"
😂😂
that cracked me up. what a boy
He said sea men
Needs that on a T-shirt
Well he does like men
@@danielthomas7318 Most guys just use a sock.
Been saying for years now, if they really want electric cars to take over then stop with the luxury cars and give people a sub £15 grand basic bitch car
have you seen the new renault 5? not going to be far off that price
@@-Lucky-Six-Not in the UK, we don't get the cheapest model
That is just a matter of time. New tech always enters in high margin luxury cars and then trickles down.
@@rogerk6180That strategy is working out great for them
New Dacia EV is £17k for the top spec, pre-orders open now for October delivery
Run our Tesla for about 2pp Mile then again we charge at home on overnight cheap power, 330+ mile range means very little on-route charging. It’s amazing how cheap EV’s are when you do a bit of joined up thinking !
the yearly depreciation on yours is about 5x my yearly cost of running my car plus purchase price spread over 5 years. Fuel costs, I worked out an EV would be about half the cost, but that was before I factored in how I would drive it, and the massive increases in electricity per kWh, I think currently (pun intended) an EV would save me 30% which would work out to £600 a year. So I've need a £6k EV to last me 10 years just to break even.
So no, not at all cheap. Just some non-spaghetti thinking for you!
We run our BMW I3 very cheaply, for the first few years we never paid to charge because of the multiple free charging points. When that perk went we charged cheaply overnight, 7 pence a kwh, so with our lifetime average of 4.7 miles kwh you can work out how cheap it is to run. Its had tyres and one 12 volts battery in 70k ICE cars can't even get close to its running costs. Amazingly there is still free charging around so it's still saving us even more money. We have a campervan so I know the costs of running ICE vehicles and even with depreciation they don't even become close to running an EV. I don't think we will change the I3 so it won't matter to us, it doesn't rust as its aluminium, carbon fiber and plastic, its very light and drives very well
@@peterszczesiak6025 I would like an i3 REX just to play with….wife won’t let me !
Ours is a Rex, it's a great car and has served us well, very quick and predictable in handling 😊
@@miff227I don’t care abou depreciation because I keep my cars for years and many miles. If people care about depreciation, buy used or lease. And BtW, all us EV owners know about gas cars. We’ve all owned them.
Honestly, as petrolheads tend to do, I expected you guys tearing this car a new one. But fair play, you went in with a level head on the mechanics and still had fun with it. For a second hand shitbox, it has faired well. You know what, I wouldn't even call this a shitbox.
I know you want suggestions that make sense for a journalistic video, however I want you guys to go mental with this thing, tesla owners are too precious, mod this thing to oblivion, ride hight, tires, suspension, bodywork. Save a bit of money for the project and live a little.
@@GHar94 Will never be as cool as Truckla though
@@zogworth truckla is great!
taxis i believe have to have a mot more often which may explain why everything looks so good on this tesla. also the gov was paying subsidies for luxury car taxis
@@koolandkrazy8217 I assumed they meant like an uber taxi since these are always used as Ubers and those laws don’t apply to them.
The basic free autopilot should include adaptive cruise and lane assist. It should just work. After the car has been reset (due to change of ownership) you have to enable it in the menu and confirm some terms and conditions.
Enhanced (2k) includes auto park and lane switching.
FSD (9k) includes the traffic light recognition and so on (which doesnt really do much due to lack of development in EU and laws crippling the development). These features are also very limited by the autopilot hardware inside, judging by the age it would probably be hardware 2.0 and it wouldn't be able to do this anyway. They swap the hardware in case you order it to 3.0 (or they would have if you ordered the option from the start).
They swapped my unit for free since I had the option when ordering the car (back then there was only one flavor costing 2k, all current owners got a free upgrade).
Edit: also your warranty is limited by age or mileage, whichever comes first. Both drivetrain (motors) and battery. I don't know them on the top of my head but you exceeded both.
I got a 2018 and even the basic autopilot has to be purchased. At standard, I only have regular cruise control, not adaptive one.
@@krzysztofs8555 oh I see this change 2019... My bad. Thank god mine was from early 2019 then
How can you excuse paying these prices once you own the car?
Believe there is some warranty for the drivetrain/battery for this age to be 8 years / infinite mileage. bumper to bumper warranty is 4 years / 50k
@@Low760Well it’s a paid option in most cars. The difference is here you can change your mind and add it after purchase. Newer Teslas have adaptive cruise and autosteer as standard, paid extras are auto lane change, autopark, summon (drive the car into/out of parking spaces with your phone) and the full self driving which I’m not quite sure what it adds in Europe.
The worst thing about mine is simply how other people react to it. As a car, it’s great. But it comes with so much bullshit from other people.
That is so true. I have a Tesla and when there are many cars at the supercharger I hate when drivers start a circle of discussion who has longer ranger, lower consumption or whatever else cult discussion leads into. I just want to drive this car and I don't care. Petrol guys say that this is just a tool for a job without any passion, and I'm using it like a tool for a job but enthusiasts don't like it so being in the middle feels like a real outsider
Make it into a rally car
I feel you. Thats all the ignorant people ask. Not about the fun acceleration or the extremly nice infotainment and how the high mileage cars have barely any issues. I love to drive my m3 and in emotional with it in a positive way but these peoples are screwing with the experience. Fk em
I always make sure I do 10mph under the limit when I have a T*sla behind me. Because of the Co2 and that. You're welcome. 😌😌😌
@@Me-zo8yc too bad uve got overtaken in the moment u try to do that :)
the whole interior part of the video rory was holding the camera and we saw like 10 secs of that footage LOL
The rest of the footage had the speedo in shot 😂😂
Forgot to press record.
How about a "fuel" economy test of the tesla vs a car of its same age range and a car of 10+ years older that are petrol. As you said yourself the range and price puts people off, but it would be good to see how good or bad it is against its petrol counterparts. Could also put it up against a new-ish tesla for comparison? Could also do the test by taking them all to the nurburgring?
What I would love is a range test with the same amount of energy in an ICE car than in an EV…
60Kwh vs 6 litres of petrol
Best to take it to the Nürburgring on a trailer otherwise it’ll take days to get there if you have to charge every 100 miles
The effective fuel price for a EV gets mostly determined by where you charge it, if you can charge it at home with solar the petrol one will have no chance, if you fast charge it, petrol seems like a bargain in comparison
@@supersploon4177I charged my non-Tesla at a Supercharger yesterday and paid 47p per kWh. Bearing in mind that fast chargers are never cheap, my 300bhp EV (3 passengers, cruising at 80mph+, heated seats, air con and boot full to the brim) averaged the equivalent of 55mpg in terms of cost. Then consider that my first “tank” of electricity was charged at home for 7.5p per kWh means the first almost 300 miles of my journey cost around £6 in total. It’s really nowhere near as bad as they make out 👍
@@supersploon4177That's what the Macmaster and Geoff proved. Charging on a roadtrip in the U.K. is hella expensive.
At some point please do a proper winter driving test. Daily driving in sub-zero weather, i'm really interested in how the range is effected by cold environments.
I drive mine in very cold winters. About 20-30% less range but it helps to do preconditioning at home while plugged in before leaving (heat the car). Still plenty enough range for daily use.
Ok cool. What temperature range were you operating in? Also, how much does the preconditioning add to your overall electrical/utility cost?
You should put a tow bar and then install a generator on a trailer and see if it goes and what mpg you get...
That's a pretty stupid idea.
@AutoAlex this is a perfect idea
That would funny 😂
2 problems. It won’t charge while driving unless it’s just being towed “in gear” and charging via regen, secondly they aren’t certified for towing in Europe/UK, even though I fitted a detachable towbar to mine for a bike rack and have never towed my boat with it honest guv.
I just said that......I should read other peoples comments first!!!
Cannot tow with the pre-plaid Teslas unfortunately in the EU (UK included).. Maybe some Raven could.. cannot remember.
I'll be honest I saw the title and assumed it was one of the EV focused channels I watch (yes I like electric and petrols) and was surprised in a good way to your reactions as yes there is tongue and cheek which is why I love you guys but you didn't just bash it as you realised its pretty good. I'd love to see you do a long journey in it to show its really not as hard as some think but then go crazy with it - make it a batmobile and go racing. Thoroughly impressed how well it held up after 450k miles proving they can go as long if not longer. I have both a Turbo and an EV and having that instant effortless torque is great for daily driving but I admit on a day off I love the sound of a nice engine :D Keep doing what you do!
It is as hard as you think, owning and running and EV.
Build a Bonfire... Build a Bonfire...🎶
Put that Testla on the top!...🎶
Sit back & put your feet up!...🎶
We've got 5 days to watch it cook! 🎶
😂🤣🤣🤣
Reckon it would be funny to see you try to fix the broken headlight (instead of just replacing it).
Definitely do a tow bar! Should do a range test now that its over 450,000! Could also see how much the range is affected when towing
I would really want to see you do a trip to Nürburgring and back in it!
That would be great watching people stand around watching the thing charge at the services for hours on end!
Damn the underside of this is ridiculously clean for a UK car with that mileage!
Time would bring the rust I suppose, rather than mileage
They hide the abysmal oxidised folds rather than welds behind the tray panels. They know exactly what they are doing as far as hiding the fisher price build. Cheers
The Model S is aluminium. Which probably explains the lack of rust on the undercarriage
@@_shreyash_anand they oxidise mate it might not look brown like rust but they rurn into a tin like material with whiteish grey powder all around it. Its the rolled seams that get them
Road trip to Cornwall with a caravan attached would be hilarious guys 👍
Fill that caravan with a few honda generators running , supplying power to the car.
Road trip to Chipping Ongar would be funnier.
@@Barthoization Funny but true 🤣
14:38 no no no you do not have to pay for cruise control, or even basic autopilot, which steers itself on straight roads, but will not stop, blinker, turn, etc, on its own
14:41 - TACC and basic highway autopilot is free. Enhanced AP and FSD are cost items.
They have only been free since 2019
@@bdogmccool8096Really? The adaptive cruise and lane steer is not free in pre 2019??
@@mamba101 unfortunately not
@@bdogmccool8096 Is that different in the UK than elsewhere? In 2013 it was an option, but everyone specced it so they included it in 2014 all the way until 2019, at least in Denmark and the US.
Anyone noticed that Alex seems to be very “dehydrated” in recent videos? 🤔🤣
If anything it just makes me never want to buy one of those bottles lol
I read this and no lie, he took a sip from his water bottle less than 5 seconds later while they were looking at the suspension.
It's so goofy, gotta get that poond though I guess
Walks in “NOT INTERESTED!” Drives the car “I like it!!” Quickest 180 ever!! 😂
I drove some Teslas at a job I had last summer, among others the top of the line, P100D, ludocris mode 720 hp first gen model S, I'll never forget the first time i mashed the throttle, in ludocris mode, from (almost) a stand still, the ammount of pressure pushing me into the seat straight away and the acceleration was insane, and the card reader that was mounted on the dashboard ended up in the backseat! 😅
They also spoil you rotten, you barely have to do anything yoursel,f no shifting gears, no braking unless in an emergency or if you want to come to a complete stop, no switching full beams on and off when driving at night.... Hell, with the model X you don't even have to open the bloody door when you walk up too it!
After my first wekkend when I went to drive home in my own 20 year old, manual petrol powered car, not only did I almost stall at every intersection because I forgot to change down, but every time I took my foot of the throttle and DID'NT feel that regenerative braking I had a mini-panic attack for a split second until it dawned on me 🤣
I think this is the best description on how evolutionary EVs are to modern automobiles. Even if they are not suited for most users, I hope that many features will be brought to petrol cars just so they are more competitive for each other.
You are going to have to do a Petrol V Diesel v Electric challenge and score each one to give a grand winner - with racing, long distance (with hills), passenger comfort considerations and cost of running - and all cars being of similar dimensions..
On those comparisons can we do a challenge with the same energy in the tank? See how they compare, that would be very informative
--- I’m a X 56 yr old mechanic, I bought a Tesla mod 3 , 3 yrs ago, I’ve done 40,000 miles , the only work it’s had is 4 tyres & washer fluid . I’m sooooooo happy , wished I’d done it earlier! Bye bye bye bmw 😂
Should check if it has the free supercharging for life. If it wasn't taken to a Tesla dealer should still have it. Worth its weight in gold alone if it has it
Doesn't matter, it's for life.
The only way it gets turned off is if Tesla takes the car back and sells it afterwards.
"I like the taste of semen and that's not semen" caught me off guard and choked on my drink 😅😂😂
"drink"
Much like Taylor
@@jog2675 after hearing that statement, I dont think Taylor chokes...
He said smell, you sure not thinking of yourself?
It would be interesting to look at a Mercedes S class 7 series A8 of same mileage to see how they compare body condition rust , interiors , mechanical components i think the Tesla would compare very well
Its a bit worse, but not a disaster.
fml i love taylor he’s funny asf 😂😂
"I'm not interested. F**k off!" 😂
He shines when he's around the lads. He's tamer on his own.
@@luciflash He's a definite asset to the show and gels really well with the rest of the guys.
@@luciflashhe’s still really good on his own, on the v2 channel. Great presenter
This could be a fun series! Looking forward to more 450000 mile Tesla content 😀
13:53 I thought every Tesla comes with basic acc , lane keeping etc.
And then there are the more capable packages which can change lanes ant full self drivinge etc.
Or was it different on these old Teslas?
Now they do. But that year, could get the car with just dumb cruise. Not TACC. My 2017 is the same. Then pay extra for the TACC, AP, EAP, FSD depending on what you want. But these guys should have dumb cruise (pull lever one time.)
I do agree. We have a new GV60 at work and been using it for a back around town. I shouldn’t enjoy it but it’s fast and a great tool
Half way through this vid: that’s like fitting all the options to cars but having a connection fee so instead of specing a car they all come fully fitted unless you pay more. Which is a big brain move cause knowing it’s got potential you’ll pay for what you want
The answer is production. Cruise control components have been fitted for decades on cars that don't have the capabilities, same as wiring for for example fog lights.
It would just complicate the production process to have it all differently.
And now, ever other manufacturer does the same....!
which would be nice if the full autopilot was full self driving (as anyone else than musk would understand it) and it came with some insurance for that.
no cruise control is kind of a laugh though :D
@@lasskinn474 I reckon if full auto pilot was a thing here they’d have more on the road but until then I can’t see it working, none of the car are practical they’re a gimmick instead of being a working vehicle
@@grantmeldrum It's not a thing anywhere. It doesn't work
add a body kit with spoilers and bumper upgrade
Drive as fast as possible in reverse
You should test it on the Nürburging
They'd have to recharge it half way round. 😁
@@lint8391 No they won't. But the battery is going to overheat and limit power after perhaps half of the track. Maybe a little sooner.
@@angela1984a I was making a joke about the depleted state of the battery pack on their 450,000 miles Tesla...
And about how annoying it is when battery powered journeys have to include a stop to recharge...
@@lint8391 It's also pretty annoying that you won't be able to enjoy summer in the south of Europe because the Heat will just be Unbearable. Which also means that basically all forms of agriculture in the south of Europe will become untenable. And that's not even mentioning that large parts of this planet will become so hot that those places will be uninhabitable - imagine the migration... Ever checked out a graph over the rising mean sea-level? Where to you think that graph is going?... So pick your 'poison'...
@@angela1984a A lower planetary population would be an effective solution to global warming.
Lower global birth rates may come in naturally as more and more countries develop higher standards of living and more "westernised" cultures.
With cars, there's a huge amount of energy required in making them. So that continuing to run a 15 year old car makes more sense from a global warming point of view than buying a new Tesla.
I think much of what was mentioned in this video is why I prefer EVs so much as a daily driver. I spent 20 years driving modified internal combustion engine vehicles as my daily driver. I bought my first EV in 2018 and haven't looked back since then. My EV doesn't replace my "fun" car, but it has tons of power for daily driving and will out accelerate 95% of the vehicles on the road, it handles much better than other cars of the same style, its extremely quiet and comfortable, and I charge at home for a very small fraction of what it would cost to drive an ICE vehicle with similar size and level of acceleration. My EV SUV is more energy efficient than a Prius, yet it's substantially faster, more fun to drive, quiet, comfortable and practical than a Prius. I drive it 100 miles per day, and have a fun ICE project vehicle for the weekend.
I just rented a tesla model Y dual motor + range 4x4 variant for a week whilst I am away and I am blown away by it so far.. the acceleration is amazing and the ride comfort is something that I've yet to feel in another car. I also have had to use the foot break very few times as taking the foot off of the accelerator breaks for me, took a bit of getting used to but I love it. Maybe one day I'll have to get one myself... shame they don't make a sound!
Everything since 2019 should make a sound though...
High mileage hero series putting it back to when it rolled off the factory floor, whack a towbar on the back and caravan holiday again
The screen allows you to put in dark mode, so not in your face and in auto will switch to dark mode at night. Chill mode gives you a bit more range. You get 10 years free data so you have Spotify and web browsing etc. they didn’t find the games or whoopie cushion! Tesla sat nav plans in supercharging stops, which calculate how long you need to be plugged in for to get you home. You can use any charger, but with Tesla charger they’ll get you to 80% in 30-40 minutes, although you tend to be on chargers 10-15 minutes. You need to see what the cost is per KW hour. Tesla 43p, BP around 60p. Wall charger and economy night tariff can be as low as 9p. The plug in ‘granny’ charger can range from 4amp to 14amp. I’ve got a non-Tesla whip gets hot and drops to 4amps. Wall chargers at home go up to 32 amp
And to add. I traded in an i3 for the same model on 16 plate with a modest 167,000 on the clock and dodgy steering rack which was quotes at £3.5k to fix by Tesla. Now sorted and I bloody love it!
Get a battery expert in, might be able to get it useable for not too much money
Always amazes me that people moan about range when you go fast in an ev is exactly the same as performance car.
It's not exactly the same though. I mean I love my VW ID but with some spirited driving the range just dissapears and my previous car would certainly increase in milage but nowhere near as much. I don't mind that too much though, my biggest issue is highway speeds where my previous car would sit happily at 140 km/h at 0.5 litres/10km but again, at 140 the range on the EV just dissapears, that in my opinion is the biggest flaw with todays EVs
The issue isn’t how quickly the fuel is used when you boot it, it’s where to refill and how long it takes vs a petrol car. I know if I want a spirited drive I’ll cane the petrol but I can pull into any fuel station and be back on the road in 5 mins.
@@alexm6340my Golf GTI could even drive 125km without the fuel gauge move away from full. Ice cars are physics bending!
@@alexm6340 You bought a wrong car, Tesla is a king of highway driving in EVs because VW cheaped out on aerodynamics engineers.
@@markygti138 Unless there is a fuel shortage of which we have had many since I started driving, or just a long queue at the petrol stations...
I can charge my car at my house and never even need to stop a petrol station.
Full body kit with a big ass spoiler and a crazy colour, lowered on big alloys or turn it into a monster truck style big wheels and tyres lift kit
using a home plug and complaining it takes forever to charge reminds me of clarkson reviewing the tesla roadster
Exactly, it's like trying to refuel your petrol car from a bunch of jerry cans every time, and complaining about how difficult that is
If it’s your only option then it is a relevant complaint to have 🤷🏻♂️
@@MudSluggerBP wtf are you on about
Then Drivetribe got the same car and had one of Clarksons complaints happen very early on.
@@VXGaming the roadster is literally a 15 year old car it is in no way as bad as Clarkson made out Mike even said in the drivetribe video he thought that Clarkson had been unfairly critical of the car
I think a range test to see how the miles have taken their toll.
Prob has seen a lot of fast charging, I’d expect it to be near 70% - which would provide plenty of range for every day driving for most, given its condition, a bargain tbh!
Agree - real world range test
@@mamba101Tesla has stats that the battery has > 90% life after 200k miles so I'd expect closer to 80%. But it depends on heaps of other factors like fast charging like you say, but a smart owner would know to keep it in between 20 and 80% for best battery health and charging speed for a nickel based lithium ion battery
This is on its third battery fix under waranty and each motor is the second one. Cheers
For context 80% of properties in the UK have access to home charging, charging at home would cost you £4 for 200miles… when quoting off Tesla supercharger network you also have to use fuel prices at motorway service prices…
Yep, all those terraced houses in every city, all they need is extra long extension leads 😂
Spotted the Top Dead Center 911 at 8:34 ;)
Taylor is absolutely hilarious. That expression on his face when Alex booted it. 🤣
Love you guys! Out of interest will Ethan and Jack be joining you or the TDC guys? And will you be putting out a memorial video for the death of car throttle? 😅
Just seen CT has said they have moved on :D
Give it a good detail boy love then a mileage test and tow bar, wheels and little ricer mods like spoiler and front lip
At least it’s not another BMW
Doesn’t have to use special tyres, you can but not necessary. The special ones have a strip of sound deadening foam inside
imagine adding a tesla performance motor to this high mileage beast. Would be the greatest creation of mankind
I'm not sure the battery can support the 'power needs' for a bigger motor.
@@angela1984aIt's a 100D, the batteries are the same between the P100D and the normal 100D so it could support the extra current draw.
It already is a Perfomance version
@@TheTardis157 No. Check again. Alex bought the 90D.
Please take the Tesla to the Nurburgring - extra points for towing a caravan to camp along the way!!!
I'm disappointed that high on your list of modifications the two words 'tow bar ' are there, i grew up with max power ,fast car, ccc did you buy caraverners weekly, towing monthly ?
I think it'd be interesting to race it against miles to the nuringburg ring round and back but for every second the tesla is faster round the ring is 10 minutes head start it has on miles for the way back
The old Model S can’t do a flat out lap of the ring without overheating the battery and cooking the brakes. Never been a problem for me on the road but it’s not a track car
@@robj3857 fair enough I thought it'd be more like the polestar where it'd just go into a low power mode half way round
@@josephtrott4368 it kind of does but it hardly makes for a fun lap, by the fox hole the battery is already hot and the brakes are gone
@@robj3857 yeah with acceleration like that you'd want it all the time but I still think it'd be faster than miles
@@josephtrott4368 yeah agreed you could take it smooth and still do a sub 10 minute time I’m sure
I’d like to see you guys attempt to repair anything on it yourselves 😂 I want to see how hard it’ll be haha
They are actually quite simple to work on, they even include all the diagnostic software in the cars own computer(center screen) for anyone to use.
What to attach to it , how about a bonfire
Sooooo... what do you want repaired? Suspension?
@@ZesPak suspension,headlight and whatever else they find
The notch in the bonnet is a common fault on the early Tesla's, as there is very little clearence between the wiper arm & edge of the bonnet...
Nurburgring with a caravan, Misha driving and you guys in the caravan ;)
Taylor is the legend we all need in life. Superb epsiode lads, really good watch.
The vast majority of charging is done on home chargers at night rate, at a night rate of 15p it would cost £12.75 to charge with an estimated range of 250 mile
Hopefully Alex is getting paid well for the Airup sponsorship🤣
Tow a generator so you can charge it while your driving 😂
If you put in a service request to replace both headlamps “due to failed DRLs” you get the pair at a discounted price of £1200 the pair, car should have basic cruise as standard, enhanced autopilot give tacc and auto steer, FSD is a pointless unicorn in the UK and basically gives you very little over EAP. Oh and you can’t legally fit a tow bar as it’s not homologated for one. Other service cheat code is if you state a getting service request you will get new front driveshafts and new motor mount fitted for circa £350 (true fact)
Ok dinner time
Glad to see your venturing into the ev world, I'm actually contemplating getting an ev myself soon. I'll definitely keep an eye out on the progress of this, I'd suggest making it a nice stealth looking Tesla.
I've been in this very Tesla when it was a Taxi. Took me to Gatwick Airport. First time I'd been in a Tesla.
Oh dear…..this could go badly, , hooray….say hello to “Terry” the Tesla…..lol😜😜😜👍👌😂🇮🇲🔥
You might have free supercharging. Did you check?
i find it soo funny that folks think they are green cars and no one thinks of all the mineing for stuff to build them ,and the chargeing comes from coal or gas power stations and sales are dead,when the new toyota ammonia engine is in full build mode not just in japan ev will be done
there is also the poverty tax, most people don't have the wage to drop a lot of money on a range-efficient EV and EVs are generally more expensive than their petrol counterpart
Thanks for this, didn’t realise
Which is why i only see electric cars as a "toy" for rich people, and not an alternative to petrol cars for your average person who can't afford it.
Imagine bumping this car in the wrong place and having to spend 20 000 for a replacement battery.
Prices have been coming down for years, in the next 5 years a Tesla will be cheaper than a new petrol car, other automakers will be behind because they don’t own their own battery factories and make all the parts to the cars themselves but eventually even they will phase out internal combustion engines
@@jayc342009so you buy a used EV , most of the depreciation has happened after 3 years, then if you consider that the average Ice car is scrapped after 107,000 miles and how much this Tesla would have saved on maintenance let alone petrol costs ( if you charged at home ) .
Let's face it if the batteries died at 450k miles it would have saved you enough over it's lifetime to buy a new Tesla !
When can you say that about a fossil fuel car????
@@jayc342009 you would buy second hand one the same way you would get second engine for car this age.
As a tesla owner of similar age. Please make sure you get the ccs2 combo upgrade if you don't have it already £220. Also worth getting the mcu2 upgrade again if you don't already £1700.
yes get the CCS upgrade
2 place that Tesla will end up, 1 being sold with more errors, or wrecked intentionally to discredit Tesla...
do a road trip towing one of those big industrial diesel generators plugged in, the ones road workers and building sites use
Ignoring the inevitable battery problem just due to mileage, aren't the early models quite well made compared to the later ones?
This is a facelift one, so I believe this may have some issues
Mechanically, no. The early ones had a lot of issues related to motors failing (coolant seals), and just other random issues. 2016+ S's have all been super solid from what I've seen. The latest facelift ones have some poor interior panel fitment, but mechanically they're all solid
Cool, not a clue about them and you inevitably hear all sorts but never really look into them. Will be interesting to see what happens
This is a facelift one so it should already be within the “issues” generation. I think the “issues” though are mostly aimed towards panel gaps and fittings. I haven’t really heard of one just stop working mechanically.
" I like the smell of seamon.. And that's not it" a true professional right there.
He is gay after all.
Morning lads, love to see this go round the ring. Potentially do an economy test on the way against another one of your cars.
Crack on with the great videos 👍
How about ‘sticking a V8’ in it? lol
been done...M57 with full coal rolling would be better
@@-Lucky-Six- a Wankel XD
would be slower 0-60
Great vid! This channel needs more electric car content!
I've said this a few times: what is the difference between touching that touchscreen (or any touchscreen on any car, especially with airplay/carplay) and your phone, on a secure mount?
Please please please take it to Tesla and get a quote to get everything fixed. That would be a brilliant video.
06:36 "this is not a very practical car" Yeah, the frunks in petrol cars are much bigger aren't they? :/
What you said about the cruise control is not correct. Every Tesla has autosteer included and adaptive cruise control.
Not the old ones.
It isn't usually mileage that ages it cars it's time, so the quicker a car does higher mileage the better condition it will be, so things like suspension/ arches etc, it shouldn't look bad because it isn't that old
I'd bet it was always fixed by the owner and washed almost daily like most premium taxis are. The door seals would have been replaced for mot's etc.
complete UTTER bollacks..Thats a dealer talking not a mechanic .I hope people don t believe your crap