For me the most anticipated video of the year. I love Deviate and I’ve ridden the Highlander and omg it’s the most incredible bike ever. I’m hoping to get on just have one last test, can I ride the steep stuff at pontypool especially The Glyn. I really hope it passes as I have my heart set on this. It’ll be goo to hear how you get on with a coil shock. Thinking about going that way 🤔. You’ll also love the tyres. I have a set on my current bike and they are fantastic. Thank you so much for a fantastic video PS. Your bike looks fantastic ❤️👍
Oh exciting times ahead dude! I’ve found that the bigger wheels and low seat tube really help when things get steep. Good to hear you rave shot the bike too, sometimes I wonder if I’m being bias towards it or I’m somehow convincing myself it’s as good as it is. Best bike I’ve ever ridden!
McTrail Rider thank you so much and good to hear it should be good on the steep stuff 👍 Nope you are not biased. They are the most incredible bikes and Ben and especially Chris are the most help people I’ve ever come across ❤️👍
‘Grease ports’...why the heck didn’t anyone think of adding these earlier, seems so obvious now. Well done to the boys at Deviate! Can’t wait to see you hitting your first proper big hill on this Andy 😃
That looks superb Andrew. Looking forward to seeing this one on the vids. You'll love the tyres, have been running them on my Rallon for about 6 months and won't be changing from them. 👍
God, that's such a nice bike. Was a ball hair away from getting wild enduros myself but decided they were too much for my style of riding so ordered some MSC singletracks instead. Just fitted my first ever dropper post too, one up components 150mm. Can't believe I managed this long without one! Your vids have helped me rediscover my love for mtb. Keep up the good work. Cheers 👍
I’ve MSC tyres on a couple of my bikes now and found them to be excellent, can’t see you going too far wrong 👍 Don’t know how you managed so long without a dropper😮 one of the best things to happen to mtb. Awesome to hear that you’re getting back into mountain biking mate, happy to help😊
Phwaaar! that cockpit made me drool a little. Absolutely beautiful bike, mate. I came back from a muddy session, at my local woods the other day. As i finished cleaning my bike, I put all my cleaning gear away, put the kettle on, came back and what do ya know? It's gone! The gate was locked, only way in or out was over a 6ft fence. As a tall guy myself (6ft/182.88cm) I doubt I could've accomplished that feet. Props to them I ques. Grrrr!
Nice to see the bike ... My Intense (2018Carbine) has a grease port on lower link.. Think most do in the range.. Love these Deviates. Beautiful bikes. !!!
26” wheels yes? Absolutely if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, flats/coil/26” all the way. Fit and forget longevity that’s what it’s all about! Great content Gadget, positive vibe you have now. Keep it up Mate!!
I have 3 hope wheel sets, and of course after some years of use you will need to change the bearings, and leaf springs wear too, but it's easy to get spare feaf springs, and get bearings a an bearing retailer. Easy to rebuild too, I still use my hope enduro wheels, but converted to boost to fit my new bike, but I have landed badly and flats potted a rim even with Cush Core, mabye I had too little pressure. I did it on a other on my old bike too, But I've wused these wheels for years. So defenitly not complete garbage like evrything else I had before. But I pushed the wheels quite hard with those impacts, I landed on a steel wall in city plaza, trying to drop from a rock fountain, over a stream landed in rear wheel. Brutal. But no snapped spokes, no cracks in rim, just flat spotted, but I think I might need new rims eventually I had to be brutal with a hammer many times to get it back in somewhat round shape. Good I have multiple wheels. 👌But you probably just did not get as many yars on the hubs to warrant bearing swap. I still use hope rotors, I have 180 rear and 203 front but I don't really need that big, but my bike has minimum of 180mm in rear. But I am satesfied with the performance of the rotors, they don't overheat, and are quite quiet, unlike some other options on the market. Only con is after few year the rivets might get creaky. Only have that on one rotor I used at the front now on the rear.
Very very nice bike Andrew. really like how you have it set up aswel. i never got on with those tyres on my bike. i also have 29x2.4 but i kept losing the seal around the bead, and also some silly cuts etc. hopefully you find them different as they are really grippy
Has your link bedded in and the rebound become quicker? At 3:15 you push your bike down and it seems pretty low coming up. Just like mine, having the rebound dial fully open.
You look like a Bond Villain sat in that swing seat, that's an honest looking bike and pleased to see that you have invis or similar applied, my only dilemma would be which to choose, Deviate or the Forbidden Druid, test rides required, top informative content as always, happy riding.
Wish I had a cat to stroke them 😜 Invisaframe is such a time consuming nightmare but totally worth it 👍 The Druid is a sweet looking machine for sure. I’ve heard it is more suited to trail riding whereas the Highlander is more towards the enduro end of the scale, or so I’ve read. As you say though, test rides required👍
Awesome looking machine. Love being able to grease the bearings. Grease in = crap out. No tensioner or chain guard though? Only engaging 90° of the chain ring so will be interesting to see how chain retention pans out?..
The grease ports make so much sense 👌 The chain Guide has 23 teeth engaged all the time which is pretty good when you consider you can run less than 10 on the cassette. I thought the same though about dropping a chain but I’ve had zero issues with it so far about 5 rides in 👍
Only thing holding me back from Hope brakes is Dot fluid, several people advised me to not get them cus of toxic dot fluid. So so far Only alternative at low cost is formula Cura 4,but then there is Trickstuff Dirritisima, which cost about 3 times more, and Maxima which cost twise as much as Dirritisima. Some reccomend Trp, but I was not keen on their caliper, but Slate has more traditional caliper, but not sure about them.
Awesome to see this video been waiting for it for a while. May be a stupid question , but any impact from using an oval chainring, as am a recent convert. Great geo, love seeing companies getting the shortest seat tubes in with still a good reach.
@@McTrailRider My understanding is that an oval chainring can be combined with the Highlander. However it is necessary to have the oval chainring turned 90 degrees in order to be effective, as the chain comes in at approximately a 90 degrees angle compared to a bike without idler. Not all oval chainrings can be mounted this way, to be honest I have no idea which do and don't allow for this. But in theory it is possible..
Someone else mentioned the pros and cons of a gearbox so I'll not go there. Would love to try one if I could afford it. The thing I'm concerned about looking at this is the relatively low engagement of the chain on the chainring due to the additional ring above it at the high pivot. That says to me the chain will slip more often. Mainly because i commute in the rain on a singlespeed and it's an issue i encountered when I first set up the chain tensioner. Maybe I just did a crap job.
Hi Andy, that's a lovely bike. It looks a proper trail weapon! Lookin forward to seein you use it mate! Looked like you have standard brake hoses. Have you ever tried goodridge hoses on yr anchors? I know there expensive. But! I found they make a noticeable improvement to power delivery, modulation and feel. Less squidge, more defined bite point. Noticed the difference more, riding standard hoses on a new bike. Have to brake earlier, often lockin up, and over cookin turns. So used to my old setup. Just a thought.. Don't think you could do much to improve that bike mate!! Anyways, love the channel, great content. Keep it up!👌 Take care, have fun bro 👊
I agree on the brake hoses, ran braided on all my previous setups and will be upgrading soon. The only reason I’m not running them right now is that I couldn’t find any in stock at the time of ordering.
Almost 2 years in now Andrew can I ask are you still as happy with it and have to had to chance any bearings links or idlers .... asking before I see Ben next week .....*excited steve *
Still very happy with the bike, more than ever to be honest. I have just had a load of work done, bearings, seals and suspension after almost two years. They were all over due😳
Looks like such a well designed frame. Great build kit too. I love the look of high pivots, and am interested in the Highlander if I ever upgrade from my Norco. But I love to pull a manual for a bit of fun, and one thing I’ve heard is high pivots are harder to do that ... are they in the real world? Or is that reviews splitting hairs? Not that it matters as speed and efficiency is more important, obviously. Just interested in your thoughts.
In the wrong person to ask, can’t manual to save myself 😳 I find it sit down wheelies very well though and haven’t felt a negative impact from the high pivot.
McTrail Rider it takes a LOT of practice to do it well. In my head I’m still as good as when I rode street as a teenager. In reality all this is nonsense. Great bike, looking forward to seeing you take it out in the trails (with dog 👍🏼)
very interested in this bike. I am 188 CM tall and not sure if I should go with a Large or XL for all around ridding. Thoughts? Also, I have concerns about how low the Stack is on an Large or XL. Do you feel hunched over?
Your over an inch taller than me and could have ridden either. I’d say xl is probably what you should go for, but it depends on your style and the reach that your used to. The stack is quite low but I like a low steady stack personally. Riser bars are a quick and easy remedy if you do find it too low.
I think the best thing to do is contact Deviate through their website, I believe they can get you most parts and they can build bikes too but don’t yet have all the options live on the site.
Probably nearer the 6k mark at full retail for this build. I was lucky enough to only have to buy the components and at cost which is why I managed to build it up to a nice spec.
Great new bike from deviate. I know that you were running the tannus armor in your old bike are you running this again in the new one and what's your thoughts on that product?
I’m not running any inserts currently, although I do have a couple from Tannus to fit if I want. The Tannus system started off great and stayed good for a while, but I found that the it lost is softness after a few months which made many of the benefits disappear.
Decent video mate, I've got my eye on one of them too. I keep looking at the linkage behind the shock and cringing though, what do you think about getting stones trapped in there in the open position and smooshing them into your frame when the gap closes? 3:27 in your video. Take care man.
I can see what you mean John, there are so many bikes out there that have the potential for a similar issue, my old Evil being one of them. I never had any issues with the Evil and I don’t think I will with this one either. When you think about it, it takes a very specific set of circumstances and timing for it to jam a stone in there. The good news is that there’s only really potential for something to get jammed when the suspension is rebounding and not when it’s compressing, the other way round would be far more concerning for me.
Awesome Andrew. Looking forward to your thoughts on the new bike. Love your choice of components - tough and durable for Scottish trails. Just a couple of questions: Will it be available with a pinion gearbox? I'm remembering what happened on your fist ride on the Highlander in Spain! Do you think it'll be as good as the Guide up in the extremes of the mountains given the more 'updated' geometry? PS I can see why Deviate have updated the geo as they have given the current trends, but to exclude the pinion gearbox is a step back in my view. When I can afford to upgrade I'll go for a secondhand Guide.
No gearbox option Brian, not best suited for a trail bike tbh. I think the Highlander will be as good if not better than the Guide on the slower technical Mountian trails due to its geometry but when things get faster, the Guides reader end will have the upper hand thanks to the weight being taken from the rear wheel and into the gearbox. Unfortunately you are a minority in preferring the gearbox, most people aren’t willing to try it in the first place.
Nice bike brotha.. I use Hope alot myself. I have the hope stem cap but i didn't get the middle part n i had to improvise n use a lug nut but it looks like shit. I see you have looking sharp. Where did you get the middle bolt for for? When i order the cap i came by it self..
I'm on a pinion gearbox since a year (Zerode) and I can't see myself going back to a derailleur system. Reason is the REAL TIME gear change principle vs. a "gear change request" that derailleur systems give. This is to me such a fundamental change that, when have seen the "other side", one cannot really understand how we "accept" derailleur systems. Andrew - what is your opinion on this? You have been on a Pinion quite long now - have you got a glimpse of the "other side"?😀
I too said that I would not go back to a conventional drivetrain, but there are so few options out there that it’s hard to stick with. There’s pros and cons on both sides in my opinion. The main benefit of a gearbox for me has nothing to do with changing gears, but actually weight distribution and the resulting suspension performance. It’s incredible! The ability to change multiple gears at any time, even when not pedalling is fantastic too, especially if you find yourself slowing down or speeding up dramatically. The main problem I found with the gearbox was the lack of urgency and the free play in engagement. That alone can kill a technical climb or an undulating trail. I look forward to the day when a gearbox is the norm and gets further refinement 👍
@@McTrailRider Thanks Andrew for your comment! Yes, the free play in engagement is noticeable higher than any derailleur system, for sure. It can, as you write, limit a very technical maneuver. But it is also in these cases I find the real time shifting supreme. An example scenario: You face a tricky technical climb, with some rocks and roots. You engage gear X as you estimate that "if everything goes as it should" that gear should be the correct one. But... Halfway into the climb something goes wrong. It starts to spin, or the front wheel miss the perfect line, etc. With a derailleur system, the climb is in principle "over". You have to stop, and lift the bike to engage correct gear and start over. With a Pinion, you can virtually before moving your feet from the pedals change three gears, and continue the climb. The "Heureka moment" for me was when I realised this (scenario above) - I simply don't have to bother at all about what gear I'm in when starting a climb. I can "handle the situation" at any time.
Cheers !! You may just have helped me make up my mind on the Highlander. Been looking at it for a while now to replace my 5yr old Capra. I love the Capra and am hanging onto it but tbh for the majority of riding I do this is going to suit me perfectly most of the time. Did you buy just the frame? The main thing that was holding me back was that the frame / shock options only offered an air shock and so I wasn't sure if it would take a coil at all (although I was going to msg and ask them). The Starling Murmur is the other bike I am looking at. Tbey offer a couple coil options on their build options. Odd that deviate don't offer the coil as an option on the frame/shock bundle, do you know why that would be? Cheeky request but don't leave it too long to post a ride review 😀 and thanks for this review 👍
You can’t go too far wrong getting one of these bike Simon 👍 Shoot Deviate a message through their website, they can get a hold of child shocks for you, just not an option on the site yet. It you could get a frame only and source your shock of choice onto it👍 P.s first ride video is out 7am Thursday 👍
My god its stunning looking... Actually really want one now. Wander how much I could sell my kids for. 🤣🤣. I think it looks more rideable/usable than the Deviate. Looking forward to so shredding videos 💪🚲😎
This is a really nice looking bike! So, which do you enjoy riding the most, anywhere : The Highlander or Pivot Shuttle? Waiting for the bike review, keep up!
Depends on the day tbh, the Deviate is more fun, poised, and precise on the descent. The Pivot isn’t all that far behind, but it’s definitely not as good. On bigger days out and for climbing, the Pivot wins.
Hey congrats of the new rig and keep up the great content! Your feedback helped me to purchase the highlander sight unseen :) I'm running the same drivetrain as you (XT 1x12 10-51) with the full length of the chain (126 links). Question I have is your b limit screwed all the way in and how and links did you take off (if any)? Mine is, but the largest sprocket is still not lining up w/ the 51 tooth indicator on the derailleur. I suspect this is the reason why shifting isn't as crisp as it should be. Thanks, looking forward to seeing some ride impressions.
Oh wow! Thanks for trusting me then dude😊 As for the derailleur, I don’t think the b tension screw is the problem, I think is your index screwed on the side. They see the limit for how far your mech can go in either direction, I think yours may be stopping your mech from reaching its full range. Does that make sense?
@@McTrailRider you referring to the hi/low limit screws? I think those are set properly, adding any more to the limit screws will drop my chain into the spokes or off the cassette. I'm wondering if I have too many links in my chain, or if I didn't mount the derailleur to the hanger correctly for some reason. No worries, just thought I'd ask you since you have the same setup dialed :) I'll hit Ben/Chris up and see if they have any insight.
cap5ule 🤔 I don’t remove any links from my chain, worked out perfect is it was. I can only think of the high/low screws being the issue. Maybe make sure the axle, mech and hanger are all tight🤷🏼♂️
@@McTrailRider Got it. And your B-limit screw is screwed all the way in? Thanks for the responses, I'm still getting it all dialed in (suspension and shifting) but so far love how much momentum it carries and how solid and silent it rides. 👍
Hay there, thinking of swapping out my Mondraker Foxy and Whyte S120 for one of these, just to of to one bike, live in Canada swap between big hills out west and low lands of the middle. Are you still happy year in ?
I’m still very happy with mine. I’ve built my one to be more of an enduro than a trail bike, but it’s still fun on the mellower trails. Is there anything in specific you’d like to know?
@@McTrailRider I have no issue that it will be fine on the rough stuff in BC and on my odd return back to the UK, I was more interested to know if its alright on your average trail centre or local woods. My S120 Whyte is not enough bike and my Mondraker is to much most of the time. I figured this would be in the middle.
@@mbsc5610 I’d say that it climbs very well, almost too taught in the anti squat for rougher climbs but very good everywhere else. I reckon the Ibis would be a better climber but not as good on the descents. You’ll definitely stand out from the crowd more on the Deviate. I’d say that it would be about middle ground between your bikes.
sweet.. but i reckon u should get 3 chains on the high pivot bikes and rotate em every 50-100km... dependant on how much torque u put thru the cranks... not many teeth in contact for putting all that power thru... but looks a peach in the blue orange
I count 23 teeth engaged on the chainring which isn’t too bad when you compare it to the cassette, 10 tooth cig with 2/3 not engaged at any one time. An alternative solution for wear would be to run a chain device to achieve more chain rap which would make it very similar to a conventional system.
@@McTrailRider dam straight.. sorry im real old school(huge chainring and a DCD old)... swapping a chain saves replacing the cassette and chainring as often... my number one gripe telling ppl i gotta change the whole set once they broke a nadgered chain(stretched beyond belief)
My experience of replacing the chain only resulted in constant skipping of the chain as there was a mismatch. I probably left it too long though. May very well give your idea a go👍
Do you think this bike is just for Janky trails? It’s designed as a do it all trail bike. I’ve built mine to be more at the enduro end of things but you could easily spec it with a 150mm fork, Air shock and a lighter wheel/tyre combo to make it better on faster, mellower trails👍
Last time my chain came off my single ring I had to be rebuilt out of titanium. Seriously it will let go on that bike at the worst moment, as you put max power, you will sideways-faceplant hard.
I’m not as convinced as you. There are the same amount of teeth engaged on the front chainring as there are on the middle of a cassette, and over double what you get on your highest gear. Even on my e bike, I haven’t managed to strip or slip on any gears, so I’m not sure I could manage on this bike. Time will tell though.
@@McTrailRider Keep the derailleur tension high, and try to fit a chain device. I am really expert at surviving crashes by rolling in the right way, but when the chain goes under high power it can flip you so fast it's impossible to control.
@@McTrailRider Do you know the bike Forbidden Druid, it has the same design frame, but uses a chain device running after the chainring. Van girl yuka has one and therefore BCpov has one also.
For me the most anticipated video of the year. I love Deviate and I’ve ridden the Highlander and omg it’s the most incredible bike ever. I’m hoping to get on just have one last test, can I ride the steep stuff at pontypool especially The Glyn. I really hope it passes as I have my heart set on this. It’ll be goo to hear how you get on with a coil shock. Thinking about going that way 🤔. You’ll also love the tyres. I have a set on my current bike and they are fantastic. Thank you so much for a fantastic video
PS. Your bike looks fantastic ❤️👍
Oh exciting times ahead dude! I’ve found that the bigger wheels and low seat tube really help when things get steep.
Good to hear you rave shot the bike too, sometimes I wonder if I’m being bias towards it or I’m somehow convincing myself it’s as good as it is.
Best bike I’ve ever ridden!
McTrail Rider thank you so much and good to hear it should be good on the steep stuff 👍
Nope you are not biased. They are the most incredible bikes and Ben and especially Chris are the most help people I’ve ever come across ❤️👍
Sweet looking bike
Glad you went for the Michelin tyres you will love them.
Already love the tyres 👍
What a great lookjng bike, if only the purse strings went that high lol, enjoy riding it bud. Awesome vid as always 👍👍
It’s not cheap, that’s for sure.
‘Grease ports’...why the heck didn’t anyone think of adding these earlier, seems so obvious now.
Well done to the boys at Deviate!
Can’t wait to see you hitting your first proper big hill on this Andy 😃
Seems that it has been done before but grease ports should feature on every bike in my opinion.
I can’t wait to hit the mountains with this bike 🤗
That looks superb Andrew. Looking forward to seeing this one on the vids. You'll love the tyres, have been running them on my Rallon for about 6 months and won't be changing from them. 👍
I’ve been impressed with the tyres so far Mark 👌
Love it mate. Rewatched your hamsterley vids the other day alongside the evil bike check - love seeing another one. Hope you enjoy the bike dude
Thanks for revisiting some of the oldies, looking forward to making more with this beast 👍
Nice looking bike, looking forward to seeing you hit the trails on it. Happy riding mate...
Thanks David
God, that's such a nice bike. Was a ball hair away from getting wild enduros myself but decided they were too much for my style of riding so ordered some MSC singletracks instead. Just fitted my first ever dropper post too, one up components 150mm. Can't believe I managed this long without one!
Your vids have helped me rediscover my love for mtb. Keep up the good work. Cheers 👍
I’ve MSC tyres on a couple of my bikes now and found them to be excellent, can’t see you going too far wrong 👍
Don’t know how you managed so long without a dropper😮 one of the best things to happen to mtb.
Awesome to hear that you’re getting back into mountain biking mate, happy to help😊
Phwaaar! that cockpit made me drool a little. Absolutely beautiful bike, mate.
I came back from a muddy session, at my local woods the other day. As i finished cleaning my bike, I put all my cleaning gear away, put the kettle on, came back and what do ya know? It's gone! The gate was locked, only way in or out was over a 6ft fence. As a tall guy myself (6ft/182.88cm) I doubt I could've accomplished that feet. Props to them I ques. Grrrr!
Ah man! That sucks!!
Some people are just pure scum 😤😢 But ............ credit where it’s due 😬
@@McTrailRider True mate. They must've realized i was due an upgrade, but that's besides the point. The cheeky lil feckers lol.
Banging looking bike..... look forward to seeing it in action
Looking forward to showing you Gibby
I love this bike. Can’t wait to demo one from 20Twenty Bike Clinic 💚
Be prepared to want one shortly after riding it 😜
Nice to see the bike ... My Intense (2018Carbine) has a grease port on lower link.. Think most do in the range.. Love these Deviates. Beautiful bikes. !!!
It’s starting to look like there are a few bikes out there with grease ports 🤦🏼♂️
@@McTrailRider Dude I wouldn't know lmao.. Was riding a Boardman until upgraded and it had wooden wheels! nice bike to be fair jesting aside hehe! :)
Turner 5 spot used to have grease ports too.
Bike looks great... Looking fwd to the gearbox vs traditional comparisons at some point.
👍 to Turner. Gearbox vs traditional is a good video idea👍
I would also like to see that comparison.
That is one blinged out bike Andrew. Looks awesome. Can’t wait to try it 😉
Thanks Nathan 👍
Blue and orange is looking sweet👌
I do love that colour combo 👌
The New bike is Looking Sweet 🚴 Andrew 👌 spot on buddy 😉🤙🤙
Thanks Taffy
great build, i just got a fortus wheel for a new front fork and i love it
And cracking value too 👍
bought time you tried those tyres and a coil. Really happy with mine. Got the one up dropper on the patrol as well.
Been meaning to try the Michelin’s for a while and the coil was actually Ben Jones’s suggesting, that’s what he’s going with.
@@McTrailRider The colour is really nice. Orange sets it off nicely.
@@McTrailRider only reason I went 27.5 lol
Lovely looking bike Andy 😍😍
Thanks Peter
26” wheels yes? Absolutely if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, flats/coil/26” all the way. Fit and forget longevity that’s what it’s all about! Great content Gadget, positive vibe you have now. Keep it up Mate!!
26 for life Steven!🤘 Hope all is well mate 👍
McTrail Rider fit and forget, My life mantra Mate
I have 3 hope wheel sets, and of course after some years of use you will need to change the bearings, and leaf springs wear too, but it's easy to get spare feaf springs, and get bearings a an bearing retailer. Easy to rebuild too, I still use my hope enduro wheels, but converted to boost to fit my new bike, but I have landed badly and flats potted a rim even with Cush Core, mabye I had too little pressure. I did it on a other on my old bike too, But I've wused these wheels for years. So defenitly not complete garbage like evrything else I had before. But I pushed the wheels quite hard with those impacts, I landed on a steel wall in city plaza, trying to drop from a rock fountain, over a stream landed in rear wheel. Brutal. But no snapped spokes, no cracks in rim, just flat spotted, but I think I might need new rims eventually I had to be brutal with a hammer many times to get it back in somewhat round shape. Good I have multiple wheels. 👌But you probably just did not get as many yars on the hubs to warrant bearing swap. I still use hope rotors, I have 180 rear and 203 front but I don't really need that big, but my bike has minimum of 180mm in rear. But I am satesfied with the performance of the rotors, they don't overheat, and are quite quiet, unlike some other options on the market. Only con is after few year the rivets might get creaky. Only have that on one rotor I used at the front now on the rear.
You should come ride the trails in Perth up Kinnoull Hill & Duechny woods! Nice little bike park too. Keep up the good work!
I’ve been, but it was a long time ago and I need to get back.
Awesome looking bike! Some great choices on parts! Looking forward to on going feed back!
Thanks Stuart 👍
Andrew, great looking bike. Looking forward to future VLOG's😎
Thanks Kevin
Nice saddle, I have the Race version, so titanium rails. I think yours is a Scoop, at least mine is.
Looks fantastic!
I think so 👍
Very Nice Bike
Thanks Lukas
Very very nice bike Andrew. really like how you have it set up aswel. i never got on with those tyres on my bike. i also have 29x2.4 but i kept losing the seal around the bead, and also some silly cuts etc. hopefully you find them different as they are really grippy
I’ve heard a few people make the same complaints about the Michelin’s, here’s hoping they were from a bad batch🤞
That is a stunning bike.... 😍 can’t wait to see what you can do on it..... 🤘
Video on Thursday of just that 👍
McTrail Rider can’t wait man🤘
I’ve used my lockdown time wisely and have now watched your entire back catalogue of videos on TH-cam 🤘
love the bike, looks awesome, and great parts, should last years
Thanks buddy, hope it does last, that’s very important to me 👍
Seriously nice looking bike dude 👌
Thanks dude
Nice ride! Some great gear on that rig too.
Thanks Adam
Bike looks awesome. Really looking forward to seeing what you think of it. Santa Cruz also do grease ports btw.
Thanks Nicholas, I’ve since learned about Santa Cruz😬
Has your link bedded in and the rebound become quicker? At 3:15 you push your bike down and it seems pretty low coming up. Just like mine, having the rebound dial fully open.
It was pretty well packed with grease initially and definitely a bit slow. Running very well now though👍
You look like a Bond Villain sat in that swing seat, that's an honest looking bike and pleased to see that you have invis or similar applied, my only dilemma would be which to choose, Deviate or the Forbidden Druid, test rides required, top informative content as always, happy riding.
Wish I had a cat to stroke them 😜
Invisaframe is such a time consuming nightmare but totally worth it 👍
The Druid is a sweet looking machine for sure. I’ve heard it is more suited to trail riding whereas the Highlander is more towards the enduro end of the scale, or so I’ve read.
As you say though, test rides required👍
Bike looks great, keep up the great work
Thanks Spence
That looks awesome.
Thanks Kenneth
Great review. Love that it offers so much standover with the long dropper. Know anything about the 150mm linkage?
Thanks Bernard, I’ve heard talk of the 150mm link but I’m unsure when or if it will be available.
Nice from top to bottom!
Thanks buddy
Awesome looking machine. Love being able to grease the bearings. Grease in = crap out. No tensioner or chain guard though? Only engaging 90° of the chain ring so will be interesting to see how chain retention pans out?..
The grease ports make so much sense 👌
The chain Guide has 23 teeth engaged all the time which is pretty good when you consider you can run less than 10 on the cassette.
I thought the same though about dropping a chain but I’ve had zero issues with it so far about 5 rides in 👍
@@McTrailRider Its a serious weapon. |Might not be made for Enduro racing, but I reckon it'll slay it on most trails🙌
Only thing holding me back from Hope brakes is Dot fluid, several people advised me to not get them cus of toxic dot fluid. So so far Only alternative at low cost is formula Cura 4,but then there is Trickstuff Dirritisima, which cost about 3 times more, and Maxima which cost twise as much as Dirritisima. Some reccomend Trp, but I was not keen on their caliper, but Slate has more traditional caliper, but not sure about them.
Sooooo nice buddy! Come down to Keswick! Desperate to demo one of those.....👍
I think you will be able to get a demo on one from about mid July onwards, I think Deviate are keen to get back out and get you lot on them 👍
Awesome to see this video been waiting for it for a while. May be a stupid question , but any impact from using an oval chainring, as am a recent convert. Great geo, love seeing companies getting the shortest seat tubes in with still a good reach.
Glad you dug it Ian 👍 An oval chainring won’t work at all with this design unfortunately.
@@McTrailRider My understanding is that an oval chainring can be combined with the Highlander. However it is necessary to have the oval chainring turned 90 degrees in order to be effective, as the chain comes in at approximately a 90 degrees angle compared to a bike without idler. Not all oval chainrings can be mounted this way, to be honest I have no idea which do and don't allow for this. But in theory it is possible..
Sweet build! Soo Dialed
Thanks buddy
Someone else mentioned the pros and cons of a gearbox so I'll not go there. Would love to try one if I could afford it. The thing I'm concerned about looking at this is the relatively low engagement of the chain on the chainring due to the additional ring above it at the high pivot. That says to me the chain will slip more often. Mainly because i commute in the rain on a singlespeed and it's an issue i encountered when I first set up the chain tensioner. Maybe I just did a crap job.
No problems so far, and haven’t heard of any. The amount of teeth engaged is the same as a mid cassette cog.
Does the 2021 size have a 473mm reach (like its on the Deviate website) or 480 like on other websites?
Honestly, I have no idea. I wouldn’t worry too much about it though, I doubt you would notice the 7mm difference either way.
Amazing bike... I think I want one!
Thanks David, I think you NEED one 😜
@@McTrailRider I'm going to arrange a demo. P.S. I think you'll love the Michelins, they just work.
I also love the 210mm on my jeffsy. Never going back to less! Also, sick bike!
A game changer almost 👍
Loving that bike pal and im very glad they got rid of the gearbox 👍👌👍👌👍 and what is the price for one of these?
The conventional drivetrain definitely appeals to more people 👍
www.deviatecycles.com/store-uk-eu is where you can find all you need to know.
Wild Enduros are such a class tyre!
That’s my initial impression 👍
Sick bike.
Thanks Buddy
Hi Andy, that's a lovely bike.
It looks a proper trail weapon!
Lookin forward to seein you use it mate!
Looked like you have standard brake hoses.
Have you ever tried goodridge hoses on yr anchors? I know there expensive. But!
I found they make a noticeable improvement to power delivery, modulation and feel.
Less squidge, more defined bite point. Noticed the difference more, riding standard hoses on a new bike.
Have to brake earlier, often lockin up, and over cookin turns.
So used to my old setup.
Just a thought..
Don't think you could do much to improve that bike mate!!
Anyways, love the channel, great content. Keep it up!👌
Take care, have fun bro 👊
I agree on the brake hoses, ran braided on all my previous setups and will be upgrading soon. The only reason I’m not running them right now is that I couldn’t find any in stock at the time of ordering.
I am curious about the tyres.
@mctrail rider what made you change from the pike to fox mate ?
Just wanted to try something different and the 36’s are brand new, so you would hope that they would be that bit better 🤞
McTrail Rider thanks for the response mate I’ve never ridden fox forks before so will be interested in how they compare to the pikes in your videos
Almost 2 years in now Andrew can I ask are you still as happy with it and have to had to chance any bearings links or idlers .... asking before I see Ben next week .....*excited steve *
Still very happy with the bike, more than ever to be honest.
I have just had a load of work done, bearings, seals and suspension after almost two years. They were all over due😳
oooooooooooooooo lovely going to save for one i think .
It’s worth it 👍
They tyres are awesome
I’m impressed so far 👍
Looks like such a well designed frame. Great build kit too. I love the look of high pivots, and am interested in the Highlander if I ever upgrade from my Norco. But I love to pull a manual for a bit of fun, and one thing I’ve heard is high pivots are harder to do that ... are they in the real world? Or is that reviews splitting hairs? Not that it matters as speed and efficiency is more important, obviously. Just interested in your thoughts.
In the wrong person to ask, can’t manual to save myself 😳
I find it sit down wheelies very well though and haven’t felt a negative impact from the high pivot.
McTrail Rider it takes a LOT of practice to do it well. In my head I’m still as good as when I rode street as a teenager. In reality all this is nonsense. Great bike, looking forward to seeing you take it out in the trails (with dog 👍🏼)
I've ordered a frame and chose the Cane Creek Kitsuma Air, Your vids make think maybe I should have chosen a coil...
I believe the frame works well with both coil and air, don’t think there is a right or wrong really.
@@McTrailRider Thanks, good to know.
very interested in this bike. I am 188 CM tall and not sure if I should go with a Large or XL for all around ridding. Thoughts? Also, I have concerns about how low the Stack is on an Large or XL. Do you feel hunched over?
Your over an inch taller than me and could have ridden either. I’d say xl is probably what you should go for, but it depends on your style and the reach that your used to.
The stack is quite low but I like a low steady stack personally. Riser bars are a quick and easy remedy if you do find it too low.
Looks amazing, do you know weather or not they will sell the bike as a full build rather than frame only. If so when?
I think the best thing to do is contact Deviate through their website, I believe they can get you most parts and they can build bikes too but don’t yet have all the options live on the site.
Bike looks great - what's the ball park fig in £?
Youd be looking around 4-5k for this build
Probably nearer the 6k mark at full retail for this build. I was lucky enough to only have to buy the components and at cost which is why I managed to build it up to a nice spec.
I like the idea of fitting it out with durable components. So I was interested in the cost of your build specifically. Thanks.
@@wa67jr cheers 👍
Mal Davies the components cost me about £2300 (mainly the fork) I think it would come to around £3-3500 at full retail for this spec.
Great new bike from deviate. I know that you were running the tannus armor in your old bike are you running this again in the new one and what's your thoughts on that product?
I’m not running any inserts currently, although I do have a couple from Tannus to fit if I want.
The Tannus system started off great and stayed good for a while, but I found that the it lost is softness after a few months which made many of the benefits disappear.
Decent video mate, I've got my eye on one of them too. I keep looking at the linkage behind the shock and cringing though, what do you think about getting stones trapped in there in the open position and smooshing them into your frame when the gap closes? 3:27 in your video. Take care man.
I can see what you mean John, there are so many bikes out there that have the potential for a similar issue, my old Evil being one of them.
I never had any issues with the Evil and I don’t think I will with this one either. When you think about it, it takes a very specific set of circumstances and timing for it to jam a stone in there.
The good news is that there’s only really potential for something to get jammed when the suspension is rebounding and not when it’s compressing, the other way round would be far more concerning for me.
Awesome Andrew. Looking forward to your thoughts on the new bike. Love your choice of components - tough and durable for Scottish trails. Just a couple of questions: Will it be available with a pinion gearbox? I'm remembering what happened on your fist ride on the Highlander in Spain!
Do you think it'll be as good as the Guide up in the extremes of the mountains given the more 'updated' geometry?
PS I can see why Deviate have updated the geo as they have given the current trends, but to exclude the pinion gearbox is a step back in my view.
When I can afford to upgrade I'll go for a secondhand Guide.
No gearbox option Brian, not best suited for a trail bike tbh.
I think the Highlander will be as good if not better than the Guide on the slower technical Mountian trails due to its geometry but when things get faster, the Guides reader end will have the upper hand thanks to the weight being taken from the rear wheel and into the gearbox.
Unfortunately you are a minority in preferring the gearbox, most people aren’t willing to try it in the first place.
It just looks like an absolute animal 😱
It sure does 👌
All those Hope bits as well... offt.
👌
Nice bike brotha.. I use Hope alot myself. I have the hope stem cap but i didn't get the middle part n i had to improvise n use a lug nut but it looks like shit. I see you have looking sharp. Where did you get the middle bolt for for? When i order the cap i came by it self..
This is what your after Victor
www.leisurelakesbikes.com/301552/products/hope-headset-bolt-blue.aspx
Massive bike envy
Sorry about that 😜
At least I get to ride it vicariously through you, love the channel dude
I'm on a pinion gearbox since a year (Zerode) and I can't see myself going back to a derailleur system. Reason is the REAL TIME gear change principle vs. a "gear change request" that derailleur systems give. This is to me such a fundamental change that, when have seen the "other side", one cannot really understand how we "accept" derailleur systems. Andrew - what is your opinion on this? You have been on a Pinion quite long now - have you got a glimpse of the "other side"?😀
I too said that I would not go back to a conventional drivetrain, but there are so few options out there that it’s hard to stick with.
There’s pros and cons on both sides in my opinion.
The main benefit of a gearbox for me has nothing to do with changing gears, but actually weight distribution and the resulting suspension performance. It’s incredible!
The ability to change multiple gears at any time, even when not pedalling is fantastic too, especially if you find yourself slowing down or speeding up dramatically.
The main problem I found with the gearbox was the lack of urgency and the free play in engagement. That alone can kill a technical climb or an undulating trail.
I look forward to the day when a gearbox is the norm and gets further refinement 👍
@@McTrailRider Thanks Andrew for your comment!
Yes, the free play in engagement is noticeable higher than any derailleur system, for sure. It can, as you write, limit a very technical maneuver.
But it is also in these cases I find the real time shifting supreme. An example scenario:
You face a tricky technical climb, with some rocks and roots. You engage gear X as you estimate that "if everything goes as it should" that gear should be the correct one.
But...
Halfway into the climb something goes wrong. It starts to spin, or the front wheel miss the perfect line, etc.
With a derailleur system, the climb is in principle "over". You have to stop, and lift the bike to engage correct gear and start over.
With a Pinion, you can virtually before moving your feet from the pedals change three gears, and continue the climb.
The "Heureka moment" for me was when I realised this (scenario above) - I simply don't have to bother at all about what gear I'm in when starting a climb. I can "handle the situation" at any time.
Cheers !! You may just have helped me make up my mind on the Highlander. Been looking at it for a while now to replace my 5yr old Capra. I love the Capra and am hanging onto it but tbh for the majority of riding I do this is going to suit me perfectly most of the time. Did you buy just the frame? The main thing that was holding me back was that the frame / shock options only offered an air shock and so I wasn't sure if it would take a coil at all (although I was going to msg and ask them). The Starling Murmur is the other bike I am looking at. Tbey offer a couple coil options on their build options. Odd that deviate don't offer the coil as an option on the frame/shock bundle, do you know why that would be? Cheeky request but don't leave it too long to post a ride review 😀 and thanks for this review 👍
You can’t go too far wrong getting one of these bike Simon 👍
Shoot Deviate a message through their website, they can get a hold of child shocks for you, just not an option on the site yet. It you could get a frame only and source your shock of choice onto it👍
P.s first ride video is out 7am Thursday 👍
@@McTrailRider cheers. I'll drop them a message. Looking forward to the video 👍
Santa Cruz bikes have grease ports too.
Ah cool, didn’t realise that.
My god its stunning looking...
Actually really want one now.
Wander how much I could sell my kids for. 🤣🤣. I think it looks more rideable/usable than the Deviate.
Looking forward to so shredding videos 💪🚲😎
It sure is pretty 😍 I suspect you meant the Guide when you said Deviate, I’d so, yes, this bike is suited to more riding scenarios 👍
This is a really nice looking bike!
So, which do you enjoy riding the most, anywhere : The Highlander or Pivot Shuttle?
Waiting for the bike review, keep up!
Depends on the day tbh, the Deviate is more fun, poised, and precise on the descent.
The Pivot isn’t all that far behind, but it’s definitely not as good. On bigger days out and for climbing, the Pivot wins.
McTrail Rider Thank you, the Deviate is very capable indeed!
What was the total cost of the build? Amazing bike!
I estimate around £6500. Could obviously built a cheaper version though.
Hey congrats of the new rig and keep up the great content! Your feedback helped me to purchase the highlander sight unseen :) I'm running the same drivetrain as you (XT 1x12 10-51) with the full length of the chain (126 links). Question I have is your b limit screwed all the way in and how and links did you take off (if any)? Mine is, but the largest sprocket is still not lining up w/ the 51 tooth indicator on the derailleur. I suspect this is the reason why shifting isn't as crisp as it should be. Thanks, looking forward to seeing some ride impressions.
Oh wow! Thanks for trusting me then dude😊
As for the derailleur, I don’t think the b tension screw is the problem, I think is your index screwed on the side. They see the limit for how far your mech can go in either direction, I think yours may be stopping your mech from reaching its full range.
Does that make sense?
@@McTrailRider you referring to the hi/low limit screws? I think those are set properly, adding any more to the limit screws will drop my chain into the spokes or off the cassette. I'm wondering if I have too many links in my chain, or if I didn't mount the derailleur to the hanger correctly for some reason. No worries, just thought I'd ask you since you have the same setup dialed :) I'll hit Ben/Chris up and see if they have any insight.
cap5ule 🤔 I don’t remove any links from my chain, worked out perfect is it was. I can only think of the high/low screws being the issue. Maybe make sure the axle, mech and hanger are all tight🤷🏼♂️
@@McTrailRider Got it. And your B-limit screw is screwed all the way in? Thanks for the responses, I'm still getting it all dialed in (suspension and shifting) but so far love how much momentum it carries and how solid and silent it rides. 👍
I screwed the b tension until the jockey wheel was about 6-7mm gap from the biggest cog, tip to tip of the teeth.
The silence of the bike is 👌
Hay there, thinking of swapping out my Mondraker Foxy and Whyte S120 for one of these, just to of to one bike, live in Canada swap between big hills out west and low lands of the middle. Are you still happy year in ?
I’m still very happy with mine. I’ve built my one to be more of an enduro than a trail bike, but it’s still fun on the mellower trails.
Is there anything in specific you’d like to know?
@@McTrailRider I have no issue that it will be fine on the rough stuff in BC and on my odd return back to the UK, I was more interested to know if its alright on your average trail centre or local woods. My S120 Whyte is not enough bike and my Mondraker is to much most of the time. I figured this would be in the middle.
@@McTrailRider Sorry, also how does it climb ? I was looking at the Ibis but everyone has one.
@@mbsc5610 I’d say that it climbs very well, almost too taught in the anti squat for rougher climbs but very good everywhere else.
I reckon the Ibis would be a better climber but not as good on the descents.
You’ll definitely stand out from the crowd more on the Deviate.
I’d say that it would be about middle ground between your bikes.
@@mbsc5610 nice one!! You may be able to demo one over there, I think they have a couple of dealers in Canada👍
sweet.. but i reckon u should get 3 chains on the high pivot bikes and rotate em every 50-100km... dependant on how much torque u put thru the cranks... not many teeth in contact for putting all that power thru... but looks a peach in the blue orange
I count 23 teeth engaged on the chainring which isn’t too bad when you compare it to the cassette, 10 tooth cig with 2/3 not engaged at any one time.
An alternative solution for wear would be to run a chain device to achieve more chain rap which would make it very similar to a conventional system.
@@McTrailRider dam straight.. sorry im real old school(huge chainring and a DCD old)... swapping a chain saves replacing the cassette and chainring as often... my number one gripe telling ppl i gotta change the whole set once they broke a nadgered chain(stretched beyond belief)
My experience of replacing the chain only resulted in constant skipping of the chain as there was a mismatch. I probably left it too long though. May very well give your idea a go👍
@@McTrailRider yeah gotta do it earlier...cheers for replies... seriously love the bike
Looks great, looking forward to a vid of you ripping about on it. Curious to see how you like the Wild Enduros, was considering trying them next.
Thanks John, initial impressions of the tyres are extremely positive 👍
Would be interested if was riding lots of janky trails, but not what floats my boat!
Do you think this bike is just for Janky trails?
It’s designed as a do it all trail bike. I’ve built mine to be more at the enduro end of things but you could easily spec it with a 150mm fork, Air shock and a lighter wheel/tyre combo to make it better on faster, mellower trails👍
How much does it weigh???
14.6kg as you see it.
Last time my chain came off my single ring I had to be rebuilt out of titanium.
Seriously it will let go on that bike at the worst moment, as you put max power, you will sideways-faceplant hard.
I’m not as convinced as you. There are the same amount of teeth engaged on the front chainring as there are on the middle of a cassette, and over double what you get on your highest gear. Even on my e bike, I haven’t managed to strip or slip on any gears, so I’m not sure I could manage on this bike. Time will tell though.
@@McTrailRider Keep the derailleur tension high, and try to fit a chain device.
I am really expert at surviving crashes by rolling in the right way, but when the chain goes under high power it can flip you so fast it's impossible to control.
@@McTrailRider Do you know the bike Forbidden Druid, it has the same design frame, but uses a chain device running after the chainring. Van girl yuka has one and therefore BCpov has one also.
I’m so confused as to why I can’t see the chain between the top of the chainring and cassette
The chain is hidden behind the seat stays when viewed from the side.
she's a beaut......
I have to agree 😍
some bike........8^0
Thanks Richie
How does my dog smell?
You what now?
@@McTrailRider How does my dog smell?
Neil Neil Wagon Wheel really bad, that’s how. I’m guessing you were trying to set me up for a joke?
@@McTrailRider with its nose.
Cracking videos keep up the good work. It's certainly appreciated 👍
🤦🏼♂️😂