If you like the violin sonata’s of Prokofiev you might as well like the violin sonata of Shostakovich: th-cam.com/video/T_kvs_F5tKY/w-d-xo.html Or if you even like something darker/pessimistic the viola sonata of Shostakovich is remarkable... : th-cam.com/video/lycYG6oJcvU/w-d-xo.html I really liked your comment on this Prokofiev sonata is is a marvelous piece indeed!!
When the violin hits the half note C at 5:46 the beauty is shimmering. This sonata reminds me of Bartok's Piano Concerto 3, 2nd movement( composed around the same time) in how tender and melancholy it can be.
You dont sound nieve, im a violinist studying violin performance and the andante part captured me just as much you dont have to be a musician or know about classical music to like it tho i think a big reason why so many people avoid classical music thinking its not their thing or they wolnt like it is the misinterpritation of how its preceived for old people. Granted it isnt for everybody but i think alot more people would like it if they knew what to look for (i still am figuring out what to look for tho XD)
This is really overshadowed by the second violin sonata op.94 and because of the key f minor but I think it’s an incredible work and one of Prokofiev’s finest works
Third movement used to be my favorite, but I've grown to love the second movement's wonderful variety of moods. Something about the first movement's steadiness and painful ominousness also intrigues me
It would be. But its an re- engineered , re- mastered recording meant to feature the violin louder then the piano. And "perfected" , removing noise , etc.
This completely subverted my expectations when I first heard it. The little Prokofiev I'm familiar with is stuff like his 3rd piano concerto, op11 toccata, etc.. Then this piece comes along and gives me a beautiful and desolate landscape
AND played @ the composer's funeral. This talks about a personal side of Prokofiev that's interestingly enough. Oistrakh someway somehow brings a darker feel than ever..
I played this piece at a halloween party, sadly no piano accompaniment as my friend who played it couldnt come (had mono so a party wasnt a good idea) it really changed the vibe. I love that composers have pieces to play at their funeral. Its not sad like choplins funeral prelude but it really brings the scary side of the violin. I know this is a dumb comparison but It gives me similar vibes to those of lavender town from the original pokemon games.
Listening to this doesn't feel real. It's almost nostalgic for me but I've not lived long enough for that and I've never heard this. It might remind me of my early compositions but I'm not sure
To understand a piece like this it helps to learn about Russian history during that era, and Prokofiev's struggles. Then the music starts to make sense. One of the few pieces that make me shed a tear (the 1st movement).
The 1st movement expresses OPRESSION. Being smothered in the grips of Stalin. Left depressed and weak. Much of the 2nd movement is Prokofiev mocking the brutish style that Stalin 'encouraged' Russian composers to create. Brutal and lacking in expression. He's mocking the style as if he's stating: "This is the kind of music you want? This?!". In the 3rd movement he reminisces to a better time; he even recalls a part of his early violin concerto; hinting to a happier time before all of the tragedies he faced. I'll leave the 4th movement to be interpreted by you. You can hear the cries and the anger throughout the entire piece. It's a shame that he died on the same day as Stalin. I wish he had the opportunity to stand at Stalin's funeral, standing and smiling over the dead, giant, bully.
What a BS, western-centric interpretation. Prokofiev supported Socialism; Prokofiev supported Josef Stalin. But I guess to westerners, any minor key piece written in the soviet union must have been a rebellion...
Bit of a heresy, but Oistrakh's gorgeous, incredibly rich and full-blooded tone is not what the ghostly first movement requires. Never thought I'd say this, but I like Mintz better in this particular piece.
Try 1972 version of Oistrakh and Richter live recording! I do agree that Oistrakh used to have really sugary sound, but after 1955 (the premiere year of the Shostakovich Concerto No.1) his sound developed into more masculine and dramatic way.
punkpoetry Prokofiev and Oistrakh were close. The piece was written for Oistrakh and I'm sure Prokofiev knew how Oistrakh was as a player, and besides, like it says in the description, Prokofiev personally coached them.
@Connnor Brown I know that, Prokofiev's ties with Oistrakh (and Richter, Gilels, Rostropovich and Vedernikov) are well documented, esp in my native tongue of Russian. Oistrakh is my favorite violinist, and maybe the greatest violinist of the recording era. However, it is my (controversial) opinion that a very specific effect Mintz achieves in his early 90s recording on DG surpasses Oistrakh's treatment of the same key passage, including in the 1972 recording with Richter. Btw Kondrashin spoke about what a revelation Stern's USSR debut was to Soviet ears, precisely as he had that more wispy, gossamer tone Oistrakh was not known for.
I feel the same. I think David Oistrakh/Oborin is a little too fast, especially in the third movement. Although I love Oistrakh(check out Prokofiev op.35 with Frida Bauer).
Pity for the recording: this way of just slapping the violin in your face, and leaving out the piano, even when the passages where the violin should be in the back-ground. But maybe I am wrong, and this is only a wrong impression due to a bad sound equipment. Anyway, it is the reason why one should go and listen live to such master-pieces. I personally prefer a more balanced sound between the two instruments.
Yeah Ive grown tired of recording engineers imposing their outdated ideas of balance instead of trying to capture a natural sound. Reminds me somewhat of pianists who never let their left hand shine.
Renni Definitely not in many parts of this piece... also it is a sonata for both instruments, one is rarely the soloist and the other accompaniment, the two are one
@@renni9813 I know it is a violin sonata, but sonatas are chamber music for a reason. They are more duets than a solo piece than anything. To make the sound mix so that the violin is at the forefront at all times is a severe mistake.
Strange!! In the edition i have the last note in the first bar(in the violin part) at 2:33 is printed as A instead of C. I wonder which is the misprint. (I hope it's A after all because that would be more comfortable:P)
+slateflash I'm sorry, I don't have other editions than this one, so I can't help you. What you can do is compare this recording with other famous recordings, to see if they play an A or C there.
Haunting. (Not haunted.) It was always my favorite piece to listen to in the dark on a moonlit night. The darkness allows you to follow the notes effortlessly which allows them to work. What a trip!
towards the end of 1st mov, when he’s at the lonely cemetery, alone, I was casually drinking black coffee with liver pate’, and without any alcohol or drug or suicidal thoughts, I felt this bittersweet awesome epic-ness.
What was it that Plato said about music reaching the secret places in the soul? Secret, dark, and desolate here. Poor Prokofieff, died at only 62 and on the same day as Stalin! (I've never heard it played so beautifully!)
Hey WIM! when will we both get deaf so we don't have to listen to music anymore? PD: I'm still glad I found you, a music hater like me, I'm not alone in this world!
Lazy Russian composer. Talented and lazy and restricted. This piece should have never been written. Prokofiev had to compose something real fast here. Max. 3 voice polyphony and banal harmony. Most of his music does not deserve to be written - garbage, garbage, garbage... Yuck. The Russians had the handcuffs all over the mind and the will. Consequences are dire. Shit music and shit art. Art could only exist free...
In the time of Stalin - yes - nothing. Only after his death some stuff started to appear - schedrin, shnittke and a few others. Prokofiev wrote a few piano sonatas and a few piano concertos that are worth practicing and a whole bunch of nothingness. This violin sonata obviously is written in a day or so.
My favourite violin sonata, so dark and frightening, still dreamy, a fading soul watching his past.
I love the Andante! It is very beautiful.
yeah, this one is a real ray of sunshine!
If you like the violin sonata’s of Prokofiev you might as well like the violin sonata of Shostakovich: th-cam.com/video/T_kvs_F5tKY/w-d-xo.html
Or if you even like something darker/pessimistic the viola sonata of Shostakovich is remarkable...
: th-cam.com/video/lycYG6oJcvU/w-d-xo.html
I really liked your comment on this Prokofiev sonata is is a marvelous piece indeed!!
When the violin hits the half note C at 5:46 the beauty is shimmering. This sonata reminds me of Bartok's Piano Concerto 3, 2nd movement( composed around the same time) in how tender and melancholy it can be.
Absolutely addicting violin sonata. More you listen, more you want to listen again.
What fun to see the score while it is played!
+Rita DeC Well, check out my other videos ;)
The andante part is pure magic. I know saying this makes me sound naive but I really haven't listened to something this beautiful before.
You dont sound nieve, im a violinist studying violin performance and the andante part captured me just as much you dont have to be a musician or know about classical music to like it tho i think a big reason why so many people avoid classical music thinking its not their thing or they wolnt like it is the misinterpritation of how its preceived for old people. Granted it isnt for everybody but i think alot more people would like it if they knew what to look for (i still am figuring out what to look for tho XD)
This is really overshadowed by the second violin sonata op.94 and because of the key f minor but I think it’s an incredible work and one of Prokofiev’s finest works
Third movement used to be my favorite, but I've grown to love the second movement's wonderful variety of moods. Something about the first movement's steadiness and painful ominousness also intrigues me
Fantastic sound quality for that era!
It would be. But its an re- engineered , re- mastered recording meant to feature the violin louder then the piano. And "perfected" , removing noise , etc.
This completely subverted my expectations when I first heard it. The little Prokofiev I'm familiar with is stuff like his 3rd piano concerto, op11 toccata, etc.. Then this piece comes along and gives me a beautiful and desolate landscape
Check out his 8th piano sonata if you haven't heard it yet!
Have fond memories of studying this piece in a Russian music course I took several years ago. So beautiful!
26:22 Practice your scales, folks! This part is probably my favorite in the entire piece. It's so dramatic despite being so ethereal.
This passage is pure magic.
Copied Harry Potter her wig theme
Wasn't familiar with this sonata. Wow! It's mesmerizing. And of course no one could pull it off like Oistrakh.
It's wonderful... Thank you!
Thank you Prokofiev.
The first and third movements of this piece are perfect.
Ha!..I often put just those two in a playlist by themselves and let it repeat for a good while
I wish composers simply let the depression and gloom go on without the filler, like in Shostakovich's 15th Quartet
Perfect? Their very foundation was deeply flawed. Prokofiev couldn't create something perfect given a millenia.
It's crazy to think that we're listening to a recording from back when Prokofiev was still alive
AND played @ the composer's funeral. This talks about a personal side of Prokofiev that's interestingly enough. Oistrakh someway somehow brings a darker feel than ever..
I played this piece at a halloween party, sadly no piano accompaniment as my friend who played it couldnt come (had mono so a party wasnt a good idea) it really changed the vibe. I love that composers have pieces to play at their funeral. Its not sad like choplins funeral prelude but it really brings the scary side of the violin. I know this is a dumb comparison but It gives me similar vibes to those of lavender town from the original pokemon games.
Quelle élégance et quelle justesse chez Oistrakh !
Its so great that he went to the effort of providing the score
That time signature at the beginning of the final movement almost gave me a heart attack.
Jesus, I think this Sonata just changed my life.
Same here. I was almost crying in the first movement which is a first for me
Yeah, it helped indoctrinate you into cult
I was looking for a piece that would go well with a horror trailer and this is perfect thanks for uploading it
Anyone here from TwoSet’s sight reading video? This was super dark yet hard!
Me!!
which video was that?
Im not ill have to watch that sightreading video XDD
Here!!
@@WhildTangeredCalymondrin time signature sighreading because the first movement is noted 3/4 4/4 (3/4 4/4 3/4 in their video)
6:55 happens to be a quote from the B minor Shostakovich fugue, gave me chills
Oh, so heartbreaking! One of the saddest and loveliest of all!
Listening to this doesn't feel real. It's almost nostalgic for me but I've not lived long enough for that and I've never heard this. It might remind me of my early compositions but I'm not sure
Update! I've written my own violin sonata (just one movement)! It's nowhere near as good, unsurprisingly, but I am very satisfied with it.
Fantastic! I'm still most familiar with Perlman/Ashkenazy but love hearing other recordings.
Dang, that piece is one of the most insane and strange pieces that Prokofiev wrote, and that's saying a lot- I love it though
Cadence Fantastique by his teacher Nikolaï Tcherepnin
To understand a piece like this it helps to learn about Russian history during that era, and Prokofiev's struggles. Then the music starts to make sense. One of the few pieces that make me shed a tear (the 1st movement).
The 1st movement expresses OPRESSION. Being smothered in the grips of Stalin. Left depressed and weak. Much of the 2nd movement is Prokofiev mocking the brutish style that Stalin 'encouraged' Russian composers to create. Brutal and lacking in expression. He's mocking the style as if he's stating: "This is the kind of music you want? This?!". In the 3rd movement he reminisces to a better time; he even recalls a part of his early violin concerto; hinting to a happier time before all of the tragedies he faced. I'll leave the 4th movement to be interpreted by you.
You can hear the cries and the anger throughout the entire piece. It's a shame that he died on the same day as Stalin. I wish he had the opportunity to stand at Stalin's funeral, standing and smiling over the dead, giant, bully.
Absurd
What a BS, western-centric interpretation. Prokofiev supported Socialism; Prokofiev supported Josef Stalin. But I guess to westerners, any minor key piece written in the soviet union must have been a rebellion...
i like the part where he describes it as winds passing over a graveyard
Bit of a heresy, but Oistrakh's gorgeous, incredibly rich and full-blooded tone is not what the ghostly first movement requires. Never thought I'd say this, but I like Mintz better in this particular piece.
definitely agree !
Try 1972 version of Oistrakh and Richter live recording! I do agree that Oistrakh used to have really sugary sound, but after 1955 (the premiere year of the Shostakovich Concerto No.1) his sound developed into more masculine and dramatic way.
punkpoetry Prokofiev and Oistrakh were close. The piece was written for Oistrakh and I'm sure Prokofiev knew how Oistrakh was as a player, and besides, like it says in the description, Prokofiev personally coached them.
@Connnor Brown I know that, Prokofiev's ties with Oistrakh (and Richter, Gilels, Rostropovich and Vedernikov) are well documented, esp in my native tongue of Russian. Oistrakh is my favorite violinist, and maybe the greatest violinist of the recording era. However, it is my (controversial) opinion that a very specific effect Mintz achieves in his early 90s recording on DG surpasses Oistrakh's treatment of the same key passage, including in the 1972 recording with Richter.
Btw Kondrashin spoke about what a revelation Stern's USSR debut was to Soviet ears, precisely as he had that more wispy, gossamer tone Oistrakh was not known for.
I feel the same. I think David Oistrakh/Oborin is a little too fast, especially in the third movement. Although I love Oistrakh(check out Prokofiev op.35 with Frida Bauer).
superb!
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All modern horror should aim to be like this song
Pity for the recording: this way of just slapping the violin in your face, and leaving out the piano, even when the passages where the violin should be in the back-ground. But maybe I am wrong, and this is only a wrong impression due to a bad sound equipment. Anyway, it is the reason why one should go and listen live to such master-pieces. I personally prefer a more balanced sound between the two instruments.
Yeah Ive grown tired of recording engineers imposing their outdated ideas of balance instead of trying to capture a natural sound. Reminds me somewhat of pianists who never let their left hand shine.
the piano is the accompaniment
Renni Definitely not in many parts of this piece... also it is a sonata for both instruments, one is rarely the soloist and the other accompaniment, the two are one
@@solstice871 its a violin sonata, the piano is an accompaniment. Prokofiev does have piano sonatas though. This just happens to be a violin piece.
@@renni9813 I know it is a violin sonata, but sonatas are chamber music for a reason. They are more duets than a solo piece than anything. To make the sound mix so that the violin is at the forefront at all times is a severe mistake.
Strange!! In the edition i have the last note in the first bar(in the violin part) at 2:33 is printed as A instead of C. I wonder which is the misprint. (I hope it's A after all because that would be more comfortable:P)
+slateflash I'm sorry, I don't have other editions than this one, so I can't help you. What you can do is compare this recording with other famous recordings, to see if they play an A or C there.
I performed this piece with a violinist, and it was c in our edition too (might have been the same as here though!)
Haunting. (Not haunted.) It was always my favorite piece to listen to in the dark on a moonlit night. The darkness allows you to follow the notes effortlessly which allows them to work. What a trip!
towards the end of 1st mov, when he’s at the lonely cemetery, alone, I was casually drinking black coffee with liver pate’, and without any alcohol or drug or suicidal thoughts, I felt this bittersweet awesome epic-ness.
Jaw dropping fiddling even considering it is Oistrakh. Good god! Unbelievable.
where can I get a sheet music for this? I want to play it but it's not on imslp :(
www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/sonata-no-1-in-f-minor-op-80-sheet-music/4296296
There's on IMSLP now
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What was it that Plato said about music reaching the secret places in the soul? Secret, dark, and desolate here. Poor Prokofieff, died at only 62 and on the same day as Stalin! (I've never heard it played so beautifully!)
3:33 Rachmaninoff isle of the dead!
Really? He recalls an excerpt of his violin concerto too. He's looking back - remembering better times - happier times.
Twosetterz anyone????
The time signature tho :/
oh dude that oboe...
oboe begins at 01:30
it gives me goosebumps...
you ok bro?
What oboe
Oppression
The magic is lost when a phrase is mutilated by an advertisement.
Fun to try playing shit to listen to. But I still like it coz it's childhood memos.
rather Shostakovich-esque imho
call me uncultured but i despise this era of classical music. not to my taste
Each to his own! Which eras do you like then?
One can be highly cultured but still a simpleton aesthetically. Hope this helps :)
What era are you referring to? I mean, within this "era" there are a lot of kinds of (classical) music.
And why?
Why is that?
You're uncultured.
Completely random noise.
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Hey WIM! when will we both get deaf so we don't have to listen to music anymore? PD: I'm still glad I found you, a music hater like me, I'm not alone in this world!
yuck...
Why?
Lazy Russian composer. Talented and lazy and restricted. This piece should have never been written. Prokofiev had to compose something real fast here. Max. 3 voice polyphony and banal harmony. Most of his music does not deserve to be written - garbage, garbage, garbage... Yuck. The Russians had the handcuffs all over the mind and the will. Consequences are dire. Shit music and shit art. Art could only exist free...
You mean to say the Russians didn't produce any art of value since 1917?
In the time of Stalin - yes - nothing. Only after his death some stuff started to appear - schedrin, shnittke and a few others. Prokofiev wrote a few piano sonatas and a few piano concertos that are worth practicing and a whole bunch of nothingness. This violin sonata obviously is written in a day or so.
He started writing it in 1938, but it wasn't complete until 1946
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