A lot of people are complaining that the Sony has Android but I bought the Sony WM1AM2 model over the Astell and Kern because having Android means I can listen to Audible, SCRIBD and listen to music videos on youtube. Thats worth a lot to me on top of being able to purchase and listen to my own high resolution music. For me, Android is a huge plus.
I use both android and Apple. And I can tell you that android is better. From the area of extreme customization and more acceptable for a lot more different formats and OTG cables work way easier. I noticed people that use apple are trapped in that ecosystem. And sometimes willing to step out, but most of the times not, and that’s the problem. Apple doesn’t change, it’s the same products every year and people keep buying it at high prices, without the creativity or pushing the industry Forward like Samsung and other Android phone maker’s like Sony etc…..
@@TheCowboyCasanova true many people dont really need it, le jardin true capability think ive written somewhere, how he1 paired with entry dac, same as (way) cheaper option
I purchased the AK 3000 from you and run it in my 2023 C8 Z51 Corvette line out through my AUX in my car bypassing my stock head unit. With your Dragon cable and my AK as my head unit, the sound and detail is incredible. I have never heard better detail sound with my Wave files through this AK DAP. I played the same file though my USP thumb drive in my car and the difference is incredible. AK knocked it out of the park with there 3000...WOW!! just WOW!
@@mountainspider342 funnily enough that’s exactly what I’m running in my M2 Competition. Focal Utopia M TBM tweeters and 3.5WM midrange with 8 inch under seat woofers and a 12 inch JL HO Wedge subwoofer in the trunk. I’m considering moving to an AK in the future but currently running a full digital system with Apple CarPlay. So we’ve approached the issue of car audio from opposite directions but will eventually land somewhere similar!
One thing not mentioned here are the needed headphones. For these kinds of devices, you also need the very best in a wired, over the ear, HF headphone, in order to get the very best quality of music out of them, w/o any noise reduction, which kills the sound quality. I own a Sony NW-ZX500 SERIES DAP, together w/a set of Focal Elegias, Closed-Back Over-Ear Wired Headphones. I bought them something like four or five years ago. While not the very best I'm sure now-a-days, they still sound great when it comes to playing HF (high-fidelity) music, especially when it comes to classical. My Sony DAC has Android on it, which isn't the most energy efficient of an OS. Perhaps they need to replace it w/one like Steam uses, which is tuned for their gaming handheld, and is very efficient as a result.
I'm supprised that you didn't mention the DSD remaster engine on the Sony. I personally think that's a more superb feature than the vinyl simulator. If you want a sound that's more natural and soft, less analytical but without losing all the details and extensions, you gotta try it out.
Only so much time in one video! Sony has some awesome sound enhancements, and the DSD Remastering Engine is one of them. Check them all out here: www.moon-audio.com/sony-nw-wm1zm2-walkman-music-player-review 🙂
I have several high end DAPs and am very familiar with them, I purchased the first A&K when no one knew what it was. They never disappointed, SONY also very good. However, NO SINGLE reviewer covers management of 1+ TB of sound files. Current software and play list of thousands of files is barely adequate and no reviewer goes near this super important topic. Unfortunately DAPs still feel like a state of the art gaming PCs, running on DOS.
Depends on the player! Astell&Kern uses the headphone out and you use the drop-down to select the line level out function. Sony does not have a line-out option, so you use the volume control to tailor the correct level without clipping or overdriving the input of the amplifier. The Cayin N8ii has a dedicated line-out output. Hope this helps! 🙂 You can read more here: www.moon-audio.com/blog/best-daps-music-players-2023
The FiiO M17 is still the most versatile DAP on the market when it comes to inputs/outputs features and has plenty of power! Half the price of these DAP’s. Astell & Kern’s SP2000 is still their best sounding DAP. The other two you’re not getting much for the price…
true, the 'more affordable' flagships are highly recommended since theyre just straight up fun/ wow at everything highest end ofc better but true considering the prices one might find disappointed w their upgrade
i think Apple should compete in this market especially since they're pushing HiRes Classical and lossless in Apple Music. they should sell something like an "iPod Special Edition" specifically for HiRes listening and a portable device for 3D audio recording.
Nothing about Apple makes sense these days. They offer Hi-Res files but none of their products can resolve Hi-Res files. They push USB-C on MacBooks and iPad but refuse to implement it on the iPhone. What they need to do is to make all iPhones Hi-Res players. They also need to make Hi-Res earphones and headphones.
Apple can never compete with these DAP players since they are all about earning money. Companies like AK, Cayin, Sony, Luxury and Precision are not only about making money, they truly want to be the best. These companies have passion like no other. Their engineers and scientist are there to push the limits.
Great comparison, ive ordered the WM1AM2 model. I just wondered, can you use the USB-C or wifi/Bluetooth to connect to your PC (PC output to Walkman Input to earphones) so as to use the player as an amplifier for connected headphones for whatever you are listening or watching on your computer? Ie using sound out on your PC?
Arent all these stoll dependent on the digital or flacc file composition? Or can these overcome somewhat garbage in? Also what about up convertions of lower quality files? I have zero info on DAPs. So this may be a newb question
In my experience, the better the quality the DAP, the less forgiving they are for the "garbage in" principle. Esp if you use high quality uncolored IEM's. I'm willing to bet that a 192kbps mp3 would sound worse on these DAPs than they would on a $100 Chi-Fi DAP. The DAC's in these would be too analytical, too revealing. As for the up conversions, sounds like putting lipstick on a pig. If the information has been taken from a file, no manner of "up conversion" is going to help. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Hello guys and thanks for this extraordinary informative for me video. I have a question/problem with some detail, the OS what they used because I am a huge fan community and listen my music ( from AC/DC to Beethoven) on MBP, or iPad or iPhone! In some case I buy someone (must admit I prefer SONY) can I transfer via bluetooth or viresley on that peace mobile gadget any way?!?! Thanks in advance for any ansver guys!
Luxury & Precision P6 Pro? UI is a bit clunky, what with it having to be used essentially on shuffle, but most of the people I talk to still consider it the best they've heard.
@Angel I disagree..what fiio does is hit certain pirce points,but then underachieving to these other daps in said price point. I have bought tons of fiios and that's always the case
@@LIL-MAN_theOG True to that. Fiio tends to have the technical side down, but severely lacks in the nuances. They are great mid-range options, but not in the same league with the other flagships.
Noob question, why Sony has 3 times more battery life? Does it output less power to headphones ? Or is just the engineering of their hardware and software android adaptation? Thanks
How would the new smaller A&K SP3000M compare? Is it pretty much the same as the Astell and Kern 3000 in sound quality but just smaller and more affordable? In a similar vein, would you say the Sony WM1AM2 is pretty much like the flagship Sony in sound quality?
I like music that are somewhat similar to the ones produced by an artist named Jannik; he/she has works such as "grace", "The history", and "a story of fate". Which Music player would suit me the most? Much appreciated for some advices, thanks.
The batteries have a very long lifespan, and even though you can't be replaced by the customer, you can always send it back to the manufacture for them to replace it for you!
The Astell&Kern SP3000 can stream music from Qobuz, Tidal, and many other streaming apps! Learn more here: www.moon-audio.com/astell-kern-sp3000-dap-music-player-review 🙂
Hi, as a beginner I was wondering if Shanling daps are any good as an entry level into hi-res audio? The Shanling M0 Pro seems to have good reviews for someone starting out?
Hello. What Headphones (over -ear or in-ear) you recommend for these DAPs? Especially for Metal. Some people say SP3000 is not good for Metal, and Cayin N8II is better in that case. Unfortunately never had a chance to check. Which one is best for Metal? Your IMHO please.
Our office metalhead and cable-maker, Darrell, suggests the Cayin N8ii for metal due to its dual vacuum tubes. SP3000 would be good for more analytical metal. For headphones, the Focal Bathys or the Meze Liric are great for metal! 🤘
I listen to metal and rock music which one is best for rock in general, I like bands like Deftones Change in the house of flies which one is best for such music ?
High end DAPs from A&K, IBasso, and Cayin can all drive the Susvara from the balanced outputs. Very few DAPs have enough power to drive them "efficiently" as they draw a lot of power to sound their best. The A&K SP2000T, SP3000, the IBasso DX320 MAX Ti, and the Cayin N8ii will all work very well with the Susvara.
Please cut the chase which 1 you like? you make it differcult for me to purchase, I like Cayin 8ii or Sp3000 this would be a setup in my car, need snappy bass, dynamics, presentation 3D who wins Ricky.
My only annoyance with the AK players, I can't install a video player on there. I have the Kann Alpha and love the sound, just wish I could watch video on it. Even the Kann Ultra doesn't allow it (which I plan to eventually get). One of my favorite things to do with an AK DAP is to connect it to a PC, so I can watch ASMR videos. Would be nice to just bypass having a PC and just have the video on the DAP. I also have the Sony NW-WM1AM2, but dear god did they put a slow proc in there. You have to uninstall or disable as much of the Android bloat as you can to get it to run reasonably okay. Sony should have did all that for me, not me having to go in and configure it all. I wanted both, as I want an analytical sounding DAP and I also wanted a warm sounding DAP. One thing I did find out when used as a USB DAC, the AK works flawlessly. Music or video, perfect. The Sony, perfect for music. When watching video, the audio and video are out of sync. Probably less than a sec out of sync, but still very noticeable. I have an AK SR25 that has the same audio/video sync issue. I don't know why, but you never see anyone talk about these things with DAPs. I guess they just expect everyone to not be using them for such and have a desktop setup already. I mean, I do have that at home, but I use my DAPs at work as DACs.
I like the 904L steel on the A&K, but I hate that it's polished. That thing is a fingerprint magnet, and you're going to see every hairline scratch on that case. They should have sandblasted or brushed it instead.
European version has a sound limiter due to laws, there isnt a workaround for it, the Non-European version doent have a sound limiter. So there are 2 variants.
Soft white gloves should be used whenever touching a DAP. It deepens and widens the sound stage and improves the richness of the tonal quality of the device.
Greetings, dear, it is a pleasure to be able to find this type of content that is clearly to my liking, where thanks to your suggestion we have a more intelligent purchase and choice base within reach. Reviewing the topic of daps, would the Fiio M23 rival these 3 models? An acquaintance is offering it to me, a hug from Lima - Peru.
That's how they make the battery last so long buddy! Guessing it's an OLED screen which wasn't mentioned in this review of all 3. The black real estate on the Sony's screen boosts its juice massively!
My Apple iPod classic lasted from 2008 till Audible books voided Apple and Microsoft last month April 2023, Steve Job's was just another Elon Musk with views of the future and made them using the best engineers in the world...
You will get a larger sound difference in higher quality iems or headphones. DAC are such an overpriced item with a larger diminishing returns compared to Iems or headphones.
@@Sweetaccord DAPs* are the overpriced items with diminishing returns in this context. but agreed logically with the base argument - better to invest in a good headphone/speaker/IEMs.
Not convincing, but sony does have a style of its own, that's undeniable. But the 1am2 and 1zm2 (I previously sold the 1am2 pending the release of the fio m23 later this year) I experienced multiple crashes and button failures when playing local music I purchased, the supposed musicality is just tuning and every manufacturer is different. sony's claimed playback times are far from satisfactory and it's not unreasonable that other brands continue to top the sales charts in Japan. The 1zm2 is really good, he's very sony, but there are so many options that have arrived at this price that it's very debatable whether it's worth recommending unless one is a sony fanatic f. As for the 1am2 there are so many cheaper and better options than him.
A very unique system..but its a very high price point..in a matter in time around the corner it will become obsolete. Remember the IPOD..! Rip analogy systems.
@primusloy LG v60 is lacking in amp section. And just because it has a quad dac setup from Sabre does not mean it competes on the same level as top of the line daps.
true people should stop thinking too much abt it, its like football teams you know, if barcelona owner bought 20 teams doesnt mean every players are messi, staf still different approaches and recipes etc
So the fiio ms 17 garbage ? I don't think so , and super hi price doesn't always mean luxury status , 900 can beat a 3000 price . Mentally people think more expensive automatically better
Yea the sony musicality is called distortion some ppl enjoy high 2nd order harmonics tube amps I'm looking your way but for that kinda money nope 3rd party tests show its terrible along with the astell&kern 3000 test worse then much cheaper options
A lot of people are complaining that the Sony has Android but I bought the Sony WM1AM2 model over the Astell and Kern because having Android means I can listen to Audible, SCRIBD and listen to music videos on youtube. Thats worth a lot to me on top of being able to purchase and listen to my own high resolution music. For me, Android is a huge plus.
have you tried others DAP before decided to bought sony? care to share your thought? thanks in advance
Но и огромный минус
@kamdag8457 What's the huge minus?
I use both android and Apple. And I can tell you that android is better. From the area of extreme customization and more acceptable for a lot more different formats and OTG cables work way easier. I noticed people that use apple are trapped in that ecosystem. And sometimes willing to step out, but most of the times not, and that’s the problem. Apple doesn’t change, it’s the same products every year and people keep buying it at high prices, without the creativity or pushing the industry Forward like Samsung and other Android phone maker’s like Sony etc…..
I wish Pioneer stayed in the game
How is it that you don't have more subscribers, this is legit one of the best audio tech channels I've ever seen.
Thanks a bunch! Help us spread the word. 😎
Because they sell these devices they would never give negative feedback
low number of exclusive audiophiles on youtube .
@@El_Bellota this is the niche of niches.
@@TheCowboyCasanova true many people dont really need it, le jardin true capability
think ive written somewhere, how he1 paired with entry dac, same as (way) cheaper option
Thums up for excellent, not rushed presentation. It was very enjoyable throughout.
Thank you kindly! 🤗
I purchased the AK 3000 from you and run it in my 2023 C8 Z51 Corvette line out through my AUX in my car bypassing my stock head unit. With your Dragon cable and my AK as my head unit, the sound and detail is incredible. I have never heard better detail sound with my Wave files through this AK DAP. I played the same file though my USP thumb drive in my car and the difference is incredible. AK knocked it out of the park with there 3000...WOW!! just WOW!
But have you upgraded the amps and speakers in your Corvette? That will make a much bigger difference.
@@southy238 Yes I will be running Focal and JL audio in the very near future.
@@mountainspider342 funnily enough that’s exactly what I’m running in my M2 Competition. Focal Utopia M TBM tweeters and 3.5WM midrange with 8 inch under seat woofers and a 12 inch JL HO Wedge subwoofer in the trunk. I’m considering moving to an AK in the future but currently running a full digital system with Apple CarPlay. So we’ve approached the issue of car audio from opposite directions but will eventually land somewhere similar!
@Dark Rake Glad to hear you're loving it! That sounds like a stellar car setup. Thanks for supporting our small business! 🤗
@@southy238 Nice!!👍🏼
One thing not mentioned here are the needed headphones.
For these kinds of devices, you also need the very best in a wired, over the ear, HF headphone, in order to get the very best quality of music out of them, w/o any noise reduction, which kills the sound quality.
I own a Sony NW-ZX500 SERIES DAP, together w/a set of Focal Elegias, Closed-Back Over-Ear Wired Headphones. I bought them something like four or five years ago.
While not the very best I'm sure now-a-days, they still sound great when it comes to playing HF (high-fidelity) music, especially when it comes to classical.
My Sony DAC has Android on it, which isn't the most energy efficient of an OS. Perhaps they need to replace it w/one like Steam uses, which is tuned for their gaming handheld, and is very efficient as a result.
I'm supprised that you didn't mention the DSD remaster engine on the Sony. I personally think that's a more superb feature than the vinyl simulator. If you want a sound that's more natural and soft, less analytical but without losing all the details and extensions, you gotta try it out.
Only so much time in one video! Sony has some awesome sound enhancements, and the DSD Remastering Engine is one of them. Check them all out here:
www.moon-audio.com/sony-nw-wm1zm2-walkman-music-player-review 🙂
Excellent breakdown video of these luxury items. 15:17 jump-scared me.
Excellent video, very informative! Thanks!
I have several high end DAPs and am very familiar with them, I purchased the first A&K when no one knew what it was. They never disappointed, SONY also very good. However, NO SINGLE reviewer covers management of 1+ TB of sound files. Current software and play list of thousands of files is barely adequate and no reviewer goes near this super important topic. Unfortunately DAPs still feel like a state of the art gaming PCs, running on DOS.
No mention of Sony's proprietary S-Master HX DAC amp vs the equally interesting DAC and amp sections of the other two?
Why no HiBy RS8 ?
What about Fiio M17/M27?
there is m27?
m17 is great, pl50 kind of must for desktop use, so as added more amplification
for portable use just m17 is enough, its fiio flagship ofc its good
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 M27 was supposed to came out in December 2024
Interesting to see a DAP with the top of the line ROHM chip. I have the SMSL D300 DAC and am really enjoying its sound.
Great intro scene,my gf was pissed I laughed out loud at 2am in bed
😂
Can you connect to an Auxiliary in on a amp?
Depends on the player! Astell&Kern uses the headphone out and you use the drop-down to select the line level out function. Sony does not have a line-out option, so you use the volume control to tailor the correct level without clipping or overdriving the input of the amplifier. The Cayin N8ii has a dedicated line-out output. Hope this helps! 🙂
You can read more here: www.moon-audio.com/blog/best-daps-music-players-2023
No mention of Cayin N30LE and the Luxury and Precision LP6 range. Killer DAPs
Excellent video! I kinda think that Sony would be the way to go for me. gotta save some money!
Do any have the OTG port? I love that on my n8
The FiiO M17 is still the most versatile DAP on the market when it comes to inputs/outputs features and has plenty of power! Half the price of these DAP’s. Astell & Kern’s SP2000 is still their best sounding DAP. The other two you’re not getting much for the price…
Agree. You don't get as much audio difference compared to a higher end iem or headphones.
true, the 'more affordable' flagships are highly recommended since theyre just straight up fun/ wow at everything
highest end ofc better but true considering the prices one might find disappointed w their upgrade
Underrated channel
Appreciate it! 🙂
i think Apple should compete in this market especially since they're pushing HiRes Classical and lossless in Apple Music. they should sell something like an "iPod Special Edition" specifically for HiRes listening and a portable device for 3D audio recording.
Apple is and will always be for kids and people who don't care about the best audio resolution.
Nothing about Apple makes sense these days.
They offer Hi-Res files but none of their products can resolve Hi-Res files.
They push USB-C on MacBooks and iPad but refuse to implement it on the iPhone.
What they need to do is to make all iPhones Hi-Res players. They also need to make Hi-Res earphones and headphones.
@@Rockthespaceship Totally agree!
Apple can never compete with these DAP players since they are all about earning money. Companies like AK, Cayin, Sony, Luxury and Precision are not only about making money, they truly want to be the best. These companies have passion like no other. Their engineers and scientist are there to push the limits.
@@greaterbayareahero1401 Totally correct and totally agree! 😊
Could I please ask where I can buy the stand you used for the WM1ZM2, much appreciated!
Sure! We've got a few of these Nulaxy phone stands that work great for most DAPs: nulaxy.com/products/nulaxy-a4-cell-phone-stand/ 🙂
@@moon-audio That’s brilliant, thank you so much for your reply!
Would be interesting if you compared these to the latest flagship from Astell&Kern which is SP3000T.
Will this work with my AirPods?
Great comparison, ive ordered the WM1AM2 model. I just wondered, can you use the USB-C or wifi/Bluetooth to connect to your PC (PC output to Walkman Input to earphones) so as to use the player as an amplifier for connected headphones for whatever you are listening or watching on your computer? Ie using sound out on your PC?
Yes you can through USB
@@saulidze That's great, thank you and thanks for such a fast reply.
Afaik you can, but cmiiw there are some noticeable delay if you use a wired connection as dac.
Arent all these stoll dependent on the digital or flacc file composition? Or can these overcome somewhat garbage in? Also what about up convertions of lower quality files? I have zero info on DAPs. So this may be a newb question
In my experience, the better the quality the DAP, the less forgiving they are for the "garbage in" principle. Esp if you use high quality uncolored IEM's. I'm willing to bet that a 192kbps mp3 would sound worse on these DAPs than they would on a $100 Chi-Fi DAP. The DAC's in these would be too analytical, too revealing. As for the up conversions, sounds like putting lipstick on a pig. If the information has been taken from a file, no manner of "up conversion" is going to help. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
@@arupian666 thanks I'm moving from Noble Audio TWS to IEMs so still in crawls mode
I bought the A and K bottom of the line on sale, sounds amazing, so I C a n only imagine what the flagship sounds like😮
you tend to waste alot of time w good audio
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 There is no way to "waste" your time with good audio.
Hello guys and thanks for this extraordinary informative for me video.
I have a question/problem with some detail, the OS what they used because I am a huge fan community and listen my music ( from AC/DC to Beethoven) on MBP, or iPad or iPhone!
In some case I buy someone (must admit I prefer SONY) can I transfer via bluetooth or viresley on that peace mobile gadget any way?!?!
Thanks in advance for any ansver guys!
Luxury & Precision P6 Pro? UI is a bit clunky, what with it having to be used essentially on shuffle, but most of the people I talk to still consider it the best they've heard.
Overpriced . There is ni way they should be that high for a clunky UI and a sound I can get for a lower price
Chinese DAPs have horrendous QC and QA issues they suck lol 🤣
Great video as always! But no mention of Fiio M17?
@Angel I disagree..what fiio does is hit certain pirce points,but then underachieving to these other daps in said price point. I have bought tons of fiios and that's always the case
@@LIL-MAN_theOG True to that. Fiio tends to have the technical side down, but severely lacks in the nuances. They are great mid-range options, but not in the same league with the other flagships.
Noob question, why Sony has 3 times more battery life? Does it output less power to headphones ? Or is just the engineering of their hardware and software android adaptation? Thanks
It's a combination of both.
I would take the Sony b/c of the 40 hr battery life. Which one does moon audio choose 😏
Well, we've already got all three DAPs, so... 😂
But seriously, it's hard to choose a favorite. Each has their own unique sound! 🙂
I would choose the Sony too. They can be modded and the feature set to thse players is over the top goodness
youll get nice synergy if using unique melody with sony dap, itll perform like using c9 amplifier, yes free upgrade
How would the new smaller A&K SP3000M compare? Is it pretty much the same as the Astell and Kern 3000 in sound quality but just smaller and more affordable? In a similar vein, would you say the Sony WM1AM2 is pretty much like the flagship Sony in sound quality?
yes sony, cayin n30le, and also shanling m9 are sp3000 competitors
Where are these three DAP made ?
@@enushalu2548 china
That intro reminds me of most high end audio videos. 😂😂😂
lul
What about the Luxury & Precision DAPs?
Overpriced
mind you overpriced doesnt mean bad quality
I like music that are somewhat similar to the ones produced by an artist named Jannik; he/she has works such as "grace", "The history", and "a story of fate". Which Music player would suit me the most? Much appreciated for some advices, thanks.
you might like hidden windows 10 app called groove music, it might sound good for your ears
I love my Pioneer xdp30 . I wish Pioneer stayed in the game .
What about the ibasso 320 MAX ti ?
It is an excllent DAP, we will consider it if we decide to make another Flagship video!
So when the batteries become worn out, does one have to chuck the things in the garbage?
The batteries have a very long lifespan, and even though you can't be replaced by the customer, you can always send it back to the manufacture for them to replace it for you!
How about DAC dongle? What is your best reccomendation?
You can find our most recent Dongle DAC recommendations here: th-cam.com/video/BOw2i7G_b6U/w-d-xo.html 🙂
@@moon-audio Thank you!
what is astel&kern sp3000 can't streaming music ?
The Astell&Kern SP3000 can stream music from Qobuz, Tidal, and many other streaming apps! Learn more here:
www.moon-audio.com/astell-kern-sp3000-dap-music-player-review 🙂
i personally heard careless whisper on WMAM2 & it blew me away , for me it wins overall hands down . only downshide , these are extremely costly
Which one would be best for complicated music, Heavy Metal ( Thrash ) instrumental of the 90s or Vivaldi and Mozart extreme music ?
Sony is the best, and build quality is superb, but you don't need the gold (Z) model. I paired with Noble Audio Spartacus. Will blow your mind
pardon me but those are complex in composition, not sound quality
order any ultimate ears if you have the budget
Hi, as a beginner I was wondering if Shanling daps are any good as an entry level into hi-res audio? The Shanling M0 Pro seems to have good reviews for someone starting out?
I know alot of audiophiles that would say no...the QC issues if Shanling are always an issue.
Chinese DAPs in general have severe QC and QA issues lol
Which of these daps sound best with focal stellia?
I have the AK SP3000 and the Focal Stellia and the sound is awesome. The Meze Elite is warmer though. Connected both using 4.4mm Balanced.
iirc stellia is around jhaudio sharona level, anything will do, m15 would already be good
Where’s the Ibasso dx320 max?
ive heard once, its quite significant
max ti iirc
Hello. What Headphones (over -ear or in-ear) you recommend for these DAPs? Especially for Metal. Some people say SP3000 is not good for Metal, and Cayin N8II is better in that case. Unfortunately never had a chance to check. Which one is best for Metal? Your IMHO please.
Our office metalhead and cable-maker, Darrell, suggests the Cayin N8ii for metal due to its dual vacuum tubes. SP3000 would be good for more analytical metal. For headphones, the Focal Bathys or the Meze Liric are great for metal! 🤘
@@moon-audio just out of curiosity since I'm also interested, what are some bands and subgenres your metalhead is using as reference?
@@Hyperfluxe i use fear and loathing usually, best headphone, maybe final d8000
Don't forget LG V series phones paired with USB Audio player app.
Or any hi-fi music app.
I listen to metal and rock music which one is best for rock in general, I like bands like Deftones Change in the house of flies which one is best for such music ?
In some ways this comes down to personal preference, that said the SP3000 is very popular with most of our employees who like Rock!
i personally prefer cayin for dap, but to recommend true astell is very strong
Which of the DAPs can efficiently power a Susvara?
High end DAPs from A&K, IBasso, and Cayin can all drive the Susvara from the balanced outputs. Very few DAPs have enough power to drive them "efficiently" as they draw a lot of power to sound their best. The A&K SP2000T, SP3000, the IBasso DX320 MAX Ti, and the Cayin N8ii will all work very well with the Susvara.
Please cut the chase which 1 you like? you make it differcult for me to purchase, I like Cayin 8ii or Sp3000 this would be a setup in my car, need snappy bass, dynamics, presentation 3D who wins Ricky.
sp3000 will
My only annoyance with the AK players, I can't install a video player on there. I have the Kann Alpha and love the sound, just wish I could watch video on it. Even the Kann Ultra doesn't allow it (which I plan to eventually get). One of my favorite things to do with an AK DAP is to connect it to a PC, so I can watch ASMR videos. Would be nice to just bypass having a PC and just have the video on the DAP. I also have the Sony NW-WM1AM2, but dear god did they put a slow proc in there. You have to uninstall or disable as much of the Android bloat as you can to get it to run reasonably okay. Sony should have did all that for me, not me having to go in and configure it all. I wanted both, as I want an analytical sounding DAP and I also wanted a warm sounding DAP.
One thing I did find out when used as a USB DAC, the AK works flawlessly. Music or video, perfect. The Sony, perfect for music. When watching video, the audio and video are out of sync. Probably less than a sec out of sync, but still very noticeable. I have an AK SR25 that has the same audio/video sync issue. I don't know why, but you never see anyone talk about these things with DAPs. I guess they just expect everyone to not be using them for such and have a desktop setup already. I mean, I do have that at home, but I use my DAPs at work as DACs.
AK SP 3000 the one and only
haha yeah great audio
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Sound wise Cayin N8ii is the best DAP now
hm n8 v2
Why was the FiiO m17 not compared?
The intro was quite appropo. These are the expensive, high-end options.
I like the 904L steel on the A&K, but I hate that it's polished. That thing is a fingerprint magnet, and you're going to see every hairline scratch on that case. They should have sandblasted or brushed it instead.
Alao mention that Sony could have a sound limit feature, which dont allow to listen in high gain.
European version has a sound limiter due to laws, there isnt a workaround for it, the Non-European version doent have a sound limiter. So there are 2 variants.
One thing to note the sony is a digital amplifier ,that's why they do not say what dac they use its not got one as the amp does it .
Soft white gloves should be used whenever touching a DAP. It deepens and widens the sound stage and improves the richness of the tonal quality of the device.
Greetings, dear, it is a pleasure to be able to find this type of content that is clearly to my liking, where thanks to your suggestion we have a more intelligent purchase and choice base within reach. Reviewing the topic of daps, would the Fiio M23 rival these 3 models? An acquaintance is offering it to me, a hug from Lima - Peru.
m23 is like m11 v2, good dap, its same level as m15
m23 using fiio dac, m15 using ess sabre, ess is clearer and more precise
I prefer the Sony design but I hate the tiny cover artwork in, there's the only view on the Sony, no way to show the artwork bigger?
That's how they make the battery last so long buddy! Guessing it's an OLED screen which wasn't mentioned in this review of all 3. The black real estate on the Sony's screen boosts its juice massively!
Wow. These units are around 3.5K each.
My Apple iPod classic lasted from 2008 till Audible books voided Apple and Microsoft last month April 2023, Steve Job's was just another Elon Musk with views of the future and made them using the best engineers in the world...
Oh my goodness I can't afford that. Bye!
You will get a larger sound difference in higher quality iems or headphones. DAC are such an overpriced item with a larger diminishing returns compared to Iems or headphones.
@@Sweetaccord DAPs* are the overpriced items with diminishing returns in this context. but agreed logically with the base argument - better to invest in a good headphone/speaker/IEMs.
@@harshpherwani6590 True
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The start is ridiculous. And sony has the best eq.
Not convincing, but sony does have a style of its own, that's undeniable. But the 1am2 and 1zm2 (I previously sold the 1am2 pending the release of the fio m23 later this year) I experienced multiple crashes and button failures when playing local music I purchased, the supposed musicality is just tuning and every manufacturer is different. sony's claimed playback times are far from satisfactory and it's not unreasonable that other brands continue to top the sales charts in Japan. The 1zm2 is really good, he's very sony, but there are so many options that have arrived at this price that it's very debatable whether it's worth recommending unless one is a sony fanatic f. As for the 1am2 there are so many cheaper and better options than him.
Wrong 🤪
looking for mp3 player with bluetooth, long battery life..
no wifi no online shit
just want to upload music via computer
Cowon is what you want. Their philosophy is they don't like anything effecting the audio at all so no apps, or bluetooth or wifi.
the quad-DAC in my $50 LG V30 phone sounds pretty good too, just saying.
Je te crois
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Man I am sooooo not the target audience at this moment in my life 😂😂😂😂 soon though.
Ok Ricky is like legit funny
premuim price
Fiio ms11 plus ess all day for me , forget the super high price.
I have Astell&Kern Alpha Kann has got Bluetooth connection. Making me sick of it.
Well that explains why moonaudio blocked my account. Look im sorry for eating the DAPs I purchased from you ok. I wont do it again
This video has so many Acronyms. That it make no sense to me .
The prices........they scare me.
A very unique system..but its a very high price point..in a matter in time around the corner it will become obsolete.
Remember the IPOD..! Rip analogy systems.
Quite affordable
Sorry I was a Tesla in another life?
why tf do daps cost so much lmao 😅😅
I like more the others who have buttons, this looks like just like a boring phone
And brands you don't sell?
None of the are worth 299.99😂😂
I just want to know with $4000 what he would purchase personally.
for empty room ofc everything, 800 each i guess
for real self not sure not really need anything audio wise, but guess if its gift the astel dap
id buy ultimate ears live pro + cayin n8 and live happily
I would love to have them but for the price I can take a vacation to Europe.
Just get an LG V60, and save your money. If you know, you know.
Can the Lg v60 really compete with these Daps?
@@ScottSterling21 ofcourse, LGv60 does better if not the same. It has quad DAC from Sabre, do your research.
@primusloy LG v60 is lacking in amp section. And just because it has a quad dac setup from Sabre does not mean it competes on the same level as top of the line daps.
@@primusloy AKM shits on Sabre 😂
Sony is Sony
true people should stop thinking too much abt it, its like football teams you know, if barcelona owner bought 20 teams doesnt mean every players are messi, staf still different approaches and recipes etc
Good luck to push the Sony up to 20H, sony always lies about the batterie life.
Nope that's a blatant lie my sony lasts me 3 weeks without needing to charge I ❤ it
WARNING WARNING if sony is favuritt dont by Euro versian, it goot less power
shame on sony for making their flagship player in china
So big and bulky.
So the fiio ms 17 garbage ? I don't think so , and super hi price doesn't always mean luxury status , 900 can beat a 3000 price . Mentally people think more expensive automatically better
J'ai le M15 et je ne l'apprécie pas forcément ( avec un Clear)
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@@Angel-AbC9 F*** Yo* 😅
My MYMAHDI blows these away
Im the 666th like on this video, loved it
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Literally over 3k usd.....
I will get 5 of them... and load mp3 audios downloaded from 144p TH-cam videos.
Let's see how many audiophiles i triggered
Yea the sony musicality is called distortion some ppl enjoy high 2nd order harmonics tube amps I'm looking your way but for that kinda money nope 3rd party tests show its terrible along with the astell&kern 3000 test worse then much cheaper options
if it isnt unique melody, sony isnt that impressive tbh, also fiio can do basically same thing with cheaper cost