It's insane how much of Sir Christopher Lee's presence, class and charisma actually forged Dooku's character. He would literally be different had he been portrayed by another actor.
I think one of the biggest things Dooku doesn't understand about Grievous, or he does but some how doesn't care. Looking at Grievous's origins, his entire life was basically war, day in and day out. He was respected by his people as like a god of war. So even though Dooku trained Grievous to fight aggressively, he was still going to take every advantage he could to win anyway as that's what he had to do for his whole life so it was like second nature. Grievous could probably give two shits about what Dooku thinks of his fighting style. Dooku would chastise him about it as cheap, Grievous would bounce back and tell the Count that he knows nothing about real war and that he's only had small glimpses at it. That's why I love seeing people defend his tactics when others try to call him a coward for retreating. Like no, he's being tactically smart, he isn't some space wizard that can use magic and shoot lightning out of his hands. He's a terrifying monster but still non force sensitive and if he gets overwhelmed, he's not going to be honorable and finish a fight he can't win, he's gonna retreat and try again later.
That’s something I use to argue as well when it came to starscream in certain instances. A tactical retreat isn’t cowardly especially when one’s life is on the line. Considering Grievous couldn’t use the force I can understand most tactics he utilized in battle. Even in real life I use what I know I’m capable of or I utilize things in my possession to achieve things I need. Use what u got to achieve what u need is what I say🤣💯
I think a big part of it is the difference in how he is portrayed across different series, and even times within the same series. He is said to be an experienced and feared Jedi killer, and yet most of his appearances he just gets dumpstered. Even when he has the upper hand he just dips out sometimes. One scene in clone wars has him easily beat up Obiwan and have a massive advantage, then he gets force pushed into a wall and immediately runs away. He doesn't even show much thought with his tactics, he kills Nahdar by getting into a clash and killing him with a blaster from his 3rd hand. A very smart move we never see him do again.
Mace Windu had no qualms about using dark side abilities if the situation called for it. He was certainly justified when he injured Grievous by crushing his chest.
@@Eli-akad what’s crazy is that Megatron is commonly the one to call a tactical retreat all the time when he fails a mission. Sure screamer seems to retreat and manipulate when it’s his life in danger, but still, Megatron is the only one who calls seems to more than starscream, but then again Megatron calls retreat as the leader to retreat his team. Starscream usually retreats by himself doesn’t he? What’s also crazy that depending on the version of starscream, he can actually legit lead his own group. In fact every version of starscream already does this since he commands the seekers. Even in my fav g1 episode, starscream was able to defeat Megatron using his own team that he recreated by himself. Ik this is a starwars video but I’m more of a fan of transformers despite only seeing the movies and the g1 cartoon as a kid.
And Grievous is correct much to Dooku's dismay. Battle, especially on the battlefield, is not some ritualistic test of skill but a struggle in which there is only victors and defeat. That includes using every advantage you have from the environment to even blasters so the mechanical general doing so and caring about efficiently rather than grace is actually pretty smart. Granted Grievous doesn't have much in terms of moral standing and one could always mix the two when practical, but that wouldn't fit Grievous as a character. They wanted an efficient killing machine and they got one. Pride and ego matters little and that includes the bias against using multiple light sabers. Sometimes you just need an extra blade.
Obiwan was the only Jedi to realize that Grievous was virtually unbeatable with a saber. The rest had too much pride to see that. Only the Darkside could defeat Grievous, as Jedi only used Force for self defense. This is why in Legends Clonewars, Mace Windu was able to damage him as Vaapaad (his lightsaber style that lets him torrent the darkside without losing himself), he uses Force Crush on grievous and nearly finishes him.
The Lightsaber: "Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.” Does that mean General Grievious was clumsy and uncivilized?! 😮😅
Dooku would have hated Myamoto Mussashi and Sun Tzu, they both advocated for Grievous's style of tactics and combat...minus the genocidal parts and murder of innocence. Basically, neither of them believed in everything just being a straight up fight. You use what you have as effectively as you can, you plan around your enemy's strengths and weakness alongside your own. "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence, supreme excellence is straining victory, without fighting"
If you'll allow my own personal thoughts... I agree. Part of me wanted to pose him a question "Do you want to preserve customs or win a war?". The moment WAR begins, there is no such thing as a fair fight, simply the recognition that the longer the conflict continues, the more people die uselessly. If victory is the final goal in a scenario of war, one should do all one can... But to say so many jedi fell to Grievous and try to justify that by calling his style barbaric? If it is barbaric why weren't you simply better? if they are cheap tricks, why do you fall for them? Don't justify your weakness by quoting tradition and training. If your so called "training your entire life in the ways of the force" can be undone so easily by tricks, then its not training, its deluding yourself with the idea you can limit yourself in combat and call that honorable or elegant. So much for a sith who should believe in breaking one's chains... Dooku poses limits on himself and others, and then complains when those simits are exploited in war.
@@victorjohansen6038 Revan would laugh at dooku if they met mainly revan was infamous for pragmatism his favorite tactic was heavy use of none force sensitives to kill Jedi hell he taught them how
Even in modern fighting thinking there is the concept of "violence of action", essentially meaning that an outburst of speed, aggression and brutality can supress an enemy completely, regardless of the skill of the opposing sides. That's basically the style of Grievous.
Grievous' was never meant to be a great fighter with lightsabers Grievous' entire design was built around being an absolute nightmare on the battlefield, scaring not only the normal troops/Clonetroopers, but also Jedi, making them lose focus and being unable or less able to use the Force, making the Jedi easy targets
@@ericvulgate Not that easy. Mace Windu did that from up close and still failed to put him down. If arguably one of the most powerful jedi couldn't do it, then any scrub rando jedi isn't going to be able to snipe him with the force from a distance. Plus a rando jedi wouldn't do it in general since it's not the jedi way and like 90% of jedi are super strict to the rules.
Dooku might have trained Grievious but Grievious ended up using primitive scare tactic attacks over efficient sword skill, just look at his rotating lightsaber attacks, he uses them so often but as we first saw in episode III and several times in CW those attacks only works against none forcesensitive beings, the Jedi was able to focus the rotation of his blades and stopped them with a single stab strike, and as we also saw in episode III Obiwan was quick to disarm half of Grievious's hands and Grievious quickly afterwards started to fight in other ways and even seemed to try and escape as now he didnt feel like he could win with ''only'' two lightsabers. The same scare tactics that the inquisitors used in reign of the galactic empire, and as we saw with them, those rotating blades only worked on weak civilians as soon as they stood in front of skilled fighters like Maul, Vader or even some of the Jedi like Caleb those attacks did not work at all.
That’s what I hated about the new series clone wars that focused so heavily on grievous being a dumb get away scooby doo villain instead of being a terrifying presence. Which speak volumes to Kenobi in episode 3 cuz he went toe to toe unshaken but it kinda just seem like a lame mercy kill.
I guess it makes me wonder, was Dooku's opinions within the Force, the Jedi, and the Republic really so unique? I can get why Sidious wouldn't want this, as he sought the destruction of the Jedi, and even planned to have Tyranus slain, but if we accept that Dooku was at least some type of Sith, and not wholly ignorant as to what they were like, you'd think he would have spent more time trying to shift opinions over to his way of thinking, and that there might've been more Jedi who could have been persuaded to agree with him. Maybe I'm just trying to picture him as some aged version Revan, and even Revan's means of turning Jedi weren't exactly nice, or simply philosophical, but why didn't Dooku try harder to win more Jedi over to his cause, even if it all would have ended up the same, in the end?
He tried to warn konobi but it was to late. He was to silent in the beginning. He had already slain many Jedi brothers baiting them almost like Darth nilus. Maybe if he didn't actually kill any Jedi and some how proved to yoda or many Jedi the threat was real with someone on the other side knowing his true attentions. Idk
In the old Star Wars legends clone wars comics that’s exactly what he tried to do: converting Jedi to his cause. He was never as succesful as Revan though.
He did try to convince Kenobi, and hell, he was probably trying to make Kenobi his apprentice. It's the way of the Sith to try and betray their master. With Dooku's ideals being so driven by the corruption of the Republic and how lax the Jedi had become, his aim might have been able to take over the Galaxy, and shape it into what it could have been. Of course, he failed, and was later killed at the behest of Sidious.
Tales of the Jedi showed that Dooku has been trying to get the Jedi order to relize that they were serving evil, and that they were unprepared for even a mildly formidable foe for several decades. It all fell on deaf ears. It showed that he wasn't evil for evil's sake or anything like that. He genuinely saw the Jedi order as failing at it's mission, and that's why he defected.
When the original clone wars cartoon came out with the first appearance of Grievous he had killed several Jedi, some Dooku had desired to bring to his side when the clone wars ended. This was one of the many reasons Dooku disliked Grievous, I remember reading theories that because many of the Jedi killed were purposefully listed for Grievous by Palpatine. He possessed great foresight so by eliminating or sabotaging those Dooku tried to keep close to himself so that when he faced Skywalker and Kenobi even with his master present he was alone.
"Although he is a Sith, he did believe in a fair fight." *Smash-cut to AOTC where Dooku is getting outmatched by Yoda, and distracts him by knocking over a pillar that would crush Anakin and Obi-Wan so he can flee*
Well of course Dooku felt that way as both a consummate duelist and teacher. But, he doesn't employ Grievous to look pretty or play nice. "We work with the tools we have."
Grevious was trained in attrition warfare. This was the only best option being that he wasn't force sensitive. He was meant to overwhelm, shock, and off-balance his opponents who had never faced multiple blades at once. Against this fighting style, Soresu had the last best options for defeating him, and I believe had it not been for the interruption, Obi-Wan would have defeated him squarely and decisively in saber to saber combat, as he had the truly greatest weapon of all on his side: patience.
Well, I guess Dooku would probably have been rooting for Obi-Wan to defeat Vader in KENOBI, given Vader killed Dooku & was more machine than man after his defeat by Obi-Wan on Mustafar!
Would have been nice to see Dooku train Grievous in The Clone Wars and then see him the Genral in Combat and just think "He is doing NOTHING of what I taught him."
**Dooku hates cyborg** “That Anakin is so disgusting with his mechanical arm.” “You think so Dooku? Well gees, if only he didn’t get his original arm cut off somehow . . .” :3
Yeah that’s different though because Dooku needed him alive. Anakin would’ve tried to kill Dooku, and therefore Dooku would try to kill him back. Palpatine needed Anakin alive to trade with Padme for Greivous. It totally makes sense why Dooku used the droids instead of fighting a battle to the death, which Anakin would’ve done.
Shout out to palpatine for having two lightsabers. Granted he’d rarely use them let alone one lightsaber, but he used both of them to fight Maul and his brother. Even then it was fair. Maul and his brother used a single and dual bladed saber.
Hypocrite of Dooku to despise Grievous for being a cyborg given he is the one in the first place who sabotaged Grievous shuttle, causing it to crash with Grievous inside and forcing him to be rebuilt as a cyborg to survive.
Dooku, while he may have shown to be powerful, is very delusional on this matter. In an actual duel, battle or war fairness, skill and honor don't matter in the slightest. Surviving is all that matters. How survival is achieved is of no concern.
I quoted the relevant passage from 'Labyrinth of Evil' on your last "Why Dooku hated Grievous" video, but for the benefit of anyone who can be bothered to read this comment, I'll do it again. "Grievous was a force to be reckoned with, to be sure, but Dooku deplored his habit of collecting lightsabres. It had merely bothered him that Ventress and lesser combatants such as the bounty hunter Aurra Sing has adopted the foul practice. Grievous's habit struck Dooku as the worst kind of profanation. Even so, he was not about to discourage the practice. The more Jedi that could be dispatched, the better. The only aspect of Grievous's technique that vexed him more was the general's penchant for using four blades. Two was bad enough - in the form they had been used by Darth Maul, or in Anakin Skywalker's sad attempt to employ the technique on Geonosis. But four? What was to become of elegance and gallantry if a duelist couldn't make do with one blade?"
I always wanted a deep Star Wars fighting game, and I feel like theres a lot of potential for Grievous to be a very interesting character. He doesnt have any Force attacks, giving him no long range capabilities, but his playstyle would primarily revolve around getting close (not necessarily "grappler close") and hitting the opponent with mixup after mixup and a high amount of pressure
There was a fighting game mode in the movie game tie-in and I think the force unleashed (WII version) as well but I'm not so sure about the latter. The former on the other hand did have some advantages over all the fighters. He does play pretty aggressively, has a pretty brutal grab move, and is the only character in the game mode that's immune to force grabs and finishers.
Hypocritically though, Dooku used cheap tricks of his own. Like when he realised he couldn’t beat Yoda in Ep 2 He exited the duel by trying to bring the huge pillar down on Obi Wan and Anakin, forcing Yoda to disengage and giving him the opportunity to run.
The way I always saw that scene, was that Dooku very much could've brought the pillar down, then attacked Yoda up close after he put away his saber and started concentrating on the Force, but didn't because he would see that as dishonourable. But taking advantage of the victory he had made over the other two already to leave? That's just him showing Yoda that he's superior to those two and that he shouldn't bring them next time. It's definitely hypocritical but there's a point of view where it lines up.
@@Jay_76 I think he’d be more disappointed that the robot with 4 devices commonly used to deflect blaster bolts got shot to death from 6 feet in front of him.
This right here was an excellent video saying why Grevious was a brutal and just about everyone despised the killing machine. Only made me wish that Dooku was alive when Grevious was killed by Obi-Wan.
One thing you should have mentioned toward the end, Dooku was killed by two blades at the same time. Maybe if he had gotten over his pride, he could have lived.
You are correct that Anakin killed Dooku with two lightsabers. However, before that fatal blow was struck, Anakin _DEFEATED_ Dooku with only one lightsaber.
It wouldn’t surprise me when Dooku took on Savage Opress as his apprentice given to him by Mother Talzin who was secretly Ventress’s apprentice despised figures like Maul or Savage using more than one blade obviously as for Maul he was always a blood thirsty barbarian even Sidious had low tolerance for savagery and ignorance this also would explain why Darth Plagueis instructed Palpatine to specifically train Maul only as a Sith Assassin and not a true Sith Lord technically Maul was a Sith Lord but he was more between
Yeah no, a Saberstaff is sci-fi laser version of a Staff. A Light Saber is a sci-fi laser version of a Sword. A staff is a peaceful weapon, the weapon of a Shepherd, a Teacher, a Protector, and a Leader. A sword is a violent weapon, the weapon of a Killer, a Fighter, a Destroyer, and a Soldier. It is the Saberstaff that is an elegant weapon, while Dooku may have found elegance and precision with the Light Saber it doesn't change the fact that his weapon descends from Barbarians and Soldiers while Maul's and Temple Guards' weapon descends from Shepherds and Protectors.
Watching this, I am reminded of a time in my childhood when I had a "sword" fight with a friend. I jumped between using a single blade and duel-wielding, and remember I got worse as I used two blades. I understand Dooku's point of view and swordsmanship.
Dual wielding blades style is a thing in real life but it only works in duels, no one went on a battlefield dual wielding. It requires more training, a different type of training but it's not impractical.
The problem with using two blades is that one gets in the way of the other. You need a lot of training to fight like that. This is why when duel wielding occurred in the real world, it was generally with shorter daggers to help parry attacks, or to get an edge while in-fighting. With the invention of guns, swords and pistols were sometimes wielded simultaneously. Even empty, pistol whipping could still give an edge. None of that is necessary for a force user, who can use its various powers with their other hand to compensate for their lack of a ranged weapon.
Actually dual wielding is a thing. The problem is that it’s hard. It gives certain advantages but the skill floor to maintain effective use of two weapons is high.
It really must have been the perfect twisting of the knife for Grievous to be slain by a Jedi...but one using a blaster. He almost got what he wanted, but not exactly. Of course makes sense that Dooku was blinded by his own pride like the Jedi were. Could see Grievous' "style" as an abomination, but it was effective. Only someone that could let their pride go a bit like Obi Wan was able to overcome that monster.
I wonder if Grevious thought he was a better dullest than Dooku. Even after Dooku was killed in ROTS he confidently said he was trained “in the Jedi arts by Count Dooku.” He knew Dooku died
I think that Bane's blade master described it best that especially in the case of dual bladed sabers, if you knew where one blade was, you knew where the other one was. That said, I think it would be refreshing to see jedi using something like Soresu with a dual blade, as a more effective defense. (Perhaps I like Donatello)
8:00 It wasn't sadistic, it was the ultimate slip of his hand as to what Dooku actually was: the wisest and bravest Jedi. His entire plan was to humble the Order, bring all the galaxy's armies to their knees by making them fight, and then when the war ended he'd kill Palpatine and go to the Jedi Order and be like "Remember when I told you this was always going to happen? Yeah, well, it happened, and look who saved your ass." He always intended to keep the Republic, kill Palpatine, and rebuild the Jedi Order. He was a double agent from day one, a Jedi spy in the Sith forces. Remember: Dooku doesn't have Sith eyes. He never embraced the Dark Side, he used it as a tool. He never truly fell, any more than Jolee or Qui-Gon had. He just was a chessmaster in an order of checkers fans.
His original plan was probably something like that, but he ultimately fell to the Dark Side. He could never have gone back to being a Jedi. He just hides his Sith eyes using the Force, same thing that Anakin did in RotS and that Palpatine did continously for like 30 years.
I get some of Dooku's beliefs. I hold swordsmanship in an almost religious reverence. But unlike Dooku, I believe in training not only myself, but others in a fashion that is complimentary to the needs of the swordfighter. My style is modeled off of Djem So, as I've stated on this channel's comment sections before. It works for me since it's not particularly mobile and the counterattacks balance out my difficulty with remaining defensive in a match. My wife is more of a fencer, relying on swift and quick blade work to compensate for her much smaller body (she's a foot shorter than I am) and lack of leverage and preferring to use one hand over two, while I switch constantly between one and two hands on one sword. Trying to force a style that is incompatible with one's body without taking into account how it can compensate for one's weaknesses is a futile exercise. I despise the idea of holding one style above all others. It is a ridiculous and elitist viewpoint. Having passion for one style is not a terrible thing. But Dooku was a true idiot for adhering to one style exclusively without adopting skills to compensate for its weaknesses.
Dooku was always single-minded and a perfectionist as well as a traditionalist. You can respect that he valued how he won instead of just winning, but at the same time, he limited himself because of his high standards. Grievous, Ventress, and Savage may have lacked the finest that Dooku valued, but they were pragmatic as they cared about winning the battle as efficiently as possible. As for me, i'm more of a bo-staff/spear person because it's balanced in offense and defense.
@@michaelmurray8134, you raise several good points. Dooku's perfectionism and dedication to his style indeed made victory as much contingent on the means as the outcome or result itself. This is because of his confidence in his own abilities, thus for him, victory in his mind was practically guaranteed. Thus, he had the luxury of choosing how he won, at least from his perspective. Ventress, Grievous, and others, on the other hand, were more result-focused than anything else. I used to be more oriented towards bo staffs and spears when I was younger. But due to my PTSD, I chose to focus more on swordsmanship, as I had never had to use a sword in practical self-defense, much less on a routine basis. Swords are a clean slate by comparison for me. And the precision of a blade is a means to help me focus on severing my connections to my trauma by grounding myself in the present. But since I walk with a cane now, I still maintain a functional and practical skill with staff weapons out of habit and because I literally can't run away if confronted with violence. I practice jo staff techniques more due to the size of my cane.
I noticed something interesting. Stupendous Wave did not mention what form of lightsaber combat Grievous specialized in. Did Grievous refuse to use any traditional forms of lightsaber combat?
I believe Grievous developed his own, because no style was designed with a cyborg body and 4, let alone 6 -blades- glowbats in mind. Yes Grievous sometimes used 6 glowsticks by holding two in his feet/claws (at least in the books) might not be as accurate as the ones in his hands, but still two additional death sticks to avoid.
Nice. I know I'm asking for speculation here, but what do you imagine Count Dooku would think (or even say to Obi-Wan) after General Grievous' demise (assuming he had lived long enough, or somehow became a force ghost)? From everything you've shared about Dooku's values and his relationship with Obi-Wan, he'd have to feel some sort of nuanced pride, no?
it always boggles my mind why Dooku ever joined with Palpatine. everything Palpatine is working towards, it is everything Dooku wants to fight to avoid! i simply do not understand why he chose Palpatine over the Jedi. had he discussed with Yoda about the Jedi and where they were going, he would have understood.
Part of the reason why dooku fell to the dark side was his love in the art of lightsaber combat but in his heart he wanted to force the jedi to change and be the warriors of light and bring real peace to the galaxy. And he choose to do that by any means
Ok so I'm a bit unclear about something mentioned in this video. Could anyone clarify it for me? So many Jedi disliked Saber Staffs, yet they allowed the Temple Guards to wield them. Why is this, if they disdain the weapon?
I'd like to see Duku's "Perfect" Makashi take on someone who used a Lightsaber with a Blaster or a Shield. Something tells me Form 2 would fall apart at the seams if it went up against something like that.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 True, considering Duku is widely considered to have completely perfected Form 2 then he may have already accounted for those obvious weaknesses and created numerous countermeasures for them. After all, he has definitely had long enough to even develop new techniques to make up for the form's weaknesses.
Dooku seems like the epitome of a swordsman loyal to not just the craft but the art. Someone like Grievous who is literally a chainsaw with lightsabers, I could see why Dooku wouldn't see there being any class or respect to swordsmanship.
I don't think Dooku valued a fair fight. We see him, on numerous occasions, use tricks and treachery to achieve what he wants. But I do think that Dooku thought Grievous had so much more potential than he was willing or able to refine, which made Dooku frustrated more than angry because he knew what Grievous could have been had the General been more careful and precise, and less concerned with gloating and grandstanding (which Grievous did enjoy).
I believe in two (kinda contradictory) things. All’s fair in love and war and their never really is such a thing as a fair fight. If someone wants you to act a certain way in war it’s because they’re stronger that way. Like the British wanting the Americans to line up like they did. Instead of having to deal with guerrilla warfare.
So TLDR Dooku was an elitist ass who complained when something isn’t balanced, let it be known that half of the whole make grievous into a fucking robot and ruin his life plan was Dooku’s idea, grievous got shafted more than any other and deserved better than to be a puppet
Given the galaxy and it’s history, I found grevious refreshing (2003 Grevious). Out of trillions of beings in the galaxy probably only a few hundred thousand had any noticeable force powers, and only about 10,000 jedi existed at the time. I see it as perfectly fair because Jedi and Sith alike loomed over the galaxy for thousands of years and had an advantage over almost every other creature because they could “move rocks” with their mind. To have a being capable of defeating them without the force is truly a testament to the creativity of other beings in the galaxy and explains why many liked Grevious
I assume the reason TH-cam recommended this video to me is because I just read the entirety of Grievous's wookiepedia page yesterday. Having said that, and I'm no expert on the extended lore at all, what I read was basically the complete opposite of everything you said. Grievous hated having to be augmented in the first place and it was him who was prejudice against bio-mechanical beings, not Dooku. In fact, Dooku actually purposefully injured Grievous just to have an excuse to add more mechanical parts to him. Dooku even gifted him lightsabers that he took from jedi he killed.
Heh even Sidious didnt like Grievous like AT ALL last thing the Sith Lord wanted was relying on a droid like animal such as Grievous for anything else when i first layed eyes on General Grievous i was like “how can a droid wield lightsabers I thought only force sensitives can, but this is jus ridiculous and seeing a droid use lightsabers for the first time jus felt way off”
I love the clone wars dooku fights with anakin and Obi wan. Often dooku puts Obi wan on the attack and anakin on the defense, precisely to their weaknesses
If a Jedi had killed Greivous, it would of upset Palpatine, but he always had plans, I imagine had the separatist won, he would of manuevered his way into leadership, and then panted Grievous as a Warmonger that conducted himself as a war criminal. had a Jedi killed Grievious Dooku would of revealed in it, but outwardly pretended to be annoyed.
I think that countercoup is arrogant, but compared of all the enemies of the Jedi, he was the one that was able to best Anakin, Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, especially with Marcus. She is the only other lights to perform and I can counter Marcus. She is Jenso form five
Bet Palpatine just loved ordereing Dooku to train Grievous and see Grevious win knowing Darth Sidious's contempt for lightsaber combat & his innate sadism.
I think this is genius of Dooku. He plants a weakness in an effective tool just in case it's used against him afterwards. This is very reminiscent of his master, Darth Sidious.
Weird take from dooku considering his Padawan was killed with a saber staff and also he trained ventress who basically used a saber staff on a few occasions
It doesn't seem to have mattered to Dooku how good someone appeared to be with 2 blades. He felt like a true expert duelist only needed 1, and i can understand the logic behind that belief. In a 1v1 situation, the better duelist would win by their skill and not the fact that they had more than 1 blade.
It's insane how much of Sir Christopher Lee's presence, class and charisma actually forged Dooku's character.
He would literally be different had he been portrayed by another actor.
Agreed no one could play him half as well.
Completely agree. Lee’s voice is so iconic, I can’t imagine anybody else saying “You have interfered without affairs for the last time”
@@joshuam6587 absolutely! Not even a quarter !!
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While I agree with that claim, isn't the same true with all actor/character relationships?
I think one of the biggest things Dooku doesn't understand about Grievous, or he does but some how doesn't care. Looking at Grievous's origins, his entire life was basically war, day in and day out. He was respected by his people as like a god of war. So even though Dooku trained Grievous to fight aggressively, he was still going to take every advantage he could to win anyway as that's what he had to do for his whole life so it was like second nature. Grievous could probably give two shits about what Dooku thinks of his fighting style. Dooku would chastise him about it as cheap, Grievous would bounce back and tell the Count that he knows nothing about real war and that he's only had small glimpses at it.
That's why I love seeing people defend his tactics when others try to call him a coward for retreating. Like no, he's being tactically smart, he isn't some space wizard that can use magic and shoot lightning out of his hands. He's a terrifying monster but still non force sensitive and if he gets overwhelmed, he's not going to be honorable and finish a fight he can't win, he's gonna retreat and try again later.
That’s something I use to argue as well when it came to starscream in certain instances. A tactical retreat isn’t cowardly especially when one’s life is on the line. Considering Grievous couldn’t use the force I can understand most tactics he utilized in battle. Even in real life I use what I know I’m capable of or I utilize things in my possession to achieve things I need. Use what u got to achieve what u need is what I say🤣💯
I think a big part of it is the difference in how he is portrayed across different series, and even times within the same series.
He is said to be an experienced and feared Jedi killer, and yet most of his appearances he just gets dumpstered. Even when he has the upper hand he just dips out sometimes. One scene in clone wars has him easily beat up Obiwan and have a massive advantage, then he gets force pushed into a wall and immediately runs away. He doesn't even show much thought with his tactics, he kills Nahdar by getting into a clash and killing him with a blaster from his 3rd hand. A very smart move we never see him do again.
Mace Windu had no qualms about using dark side abilities if the situation called for it. He was certainly justified when he injured Grievous by crushing his chest.
@@Eli-akad what’s crazy is that Megatron is commonly the one to call a tactical retreat all the time when he fails a mission. Sure screamer seems to retreat and manipulate when it’s his life in danger, but still, Megatron is the only one who calls seems to more than starscream, but then again Megatron calls retreat as the leader to retreat his team. Starscream usually retreats by himself doesn’t he? What’s also crazy that depending on the version of starscream, he can actually legit lead his own group. In fact every version of starscream already does this since he commands the seekers. Even in my fav g1 episode, starscream was able to defeat Megatron using his own team that he recreated by himself.
Ik this is a starwars video but I’m more of a fan of transformers despite only seeing the movies and the g1 cartoon as a kid.
And Grievous is correct much to Dooku's dismay. Battle, especially on the battlefield, is not some ritualistic test of skill but a struggle in which there is only victors and defeat. That includes using every advantage you have from the environment to even blasters so the mechanical general doing so and caring about efficiently rather than grace is actually pretty smart. Granted Grievous doesn't have much in terms of moral standing and one could always mix the two when practical, but that wouldn't fit Grievous as a character. They wanted an efficient killing machine and they got one. Pride and ego matters little and that includes the bias against using multiple light sabers. Sometimes you just need an extra blade.
Dooku: Why do use such an unorthodox style?!
Grievous: Because you told me to.
😂
I heard that in Arnold’s voice.
Ironically enough, not the light saber was a result of Grievous demise, but barbaric blaster
So uncivilised
Obiwan was the only Jedi to realize that Grievous was virtually unbeatable with a saber. The rest had too much pride to see that. Only the Darkside could defeat Grievous, as Jedi only used Force for self defense. This is why in Legends Clonewars, Mace Windu was able to damage him as Vaapaad (his lightsaber style that lets him torrent the darkside without losing himself), he uses Force Crush on grievous and nearly finishes him.
The Lightsaber:
"Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.”
Does that mean General Grievious was clumsy and uncivilized?! 😮😅
Because you don't bring a knife to a gunfight. No meter how shiny it glows.
@@charlottewolery558 unless you’re obi wan standung in a hallway in battlefront 2
Dooku would have hated Myamoto Mussashi and Sun Tzu, they both advocated for Grievous's style of tactics and combat...minus the genocidal parts and murder of innocence.
Basically, neither of them believed in everything just being a straight up fight. You use what you have as effectively as you can, you plan around your enemy's strengths and weakness alongside your own.
"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence, supreme excellence is straining victory, without fighting"
If you'll allow my own personal thoughts... I agree. Part of me wanted to pose him a question "Do you want to preserve customs or win a war?". The moment WAR begins, there is no such thing as a fair fight, simply the recognition that the longer the conflict continues, the more people die uselessly.
If victory is the final goal in a scenario of war, one should do all one can... But to say so many jedi fell to Grievous and try to justify that by calling his style barbaric? If it is barbaric why weren't you simply better? if they are cheap tricks, why do you fall for them? Don't justify your weakness by quoting tradition and training. If your so called "training your entire life in the ways of the force" can be undone so easily by tricks, then its not training, its deluding yourself with the idea you can limit yourself in combat and call that honorable or elegant. So much for a sith who should believe in breaking one's chains... Dooku poses limits on himself and others, and then complains when those simits are exploited in war.
@@victorjohansen6038 I see your thoughts follow Curtis LeMay....
@@victorjohansen6038 Revan would laugh at dooku if they met mainly revan was infamous for pragmatism his favorite tactic was heavy use of none force sensitives to kill Jedi hell he taught them how
@@victorjohansen6038 what strange is dooku taught him to be this and now criticizing his own work
Even in modern fighting thinking there is the concept of "violence of action", essentially meaning that an outburst of speed, aggression and brutality can supress an enemy completely, regardless of the skill of the opposing sides. That's basically the style of Grievous.
Grievous' was never meant to be a great fighter with lightsabers
Grievous' entire design was built around being an absolute nightmare on the battlefield, scaring not only the normal troops/Clonetroopers, but also Jedi, making them lose focus and being unable or less able to use the Force, making the Jedi easy targets
Force crush from a distance the end.
@@ericvulgate Windu gave Grievous COVID
@@ericvulgate that was tried and failed.
@@ericvulgate Not that easy. Mace Windu did that from up close and still failed to put him down. If arguably one of the most powerful jedi couldn't do it, then any scrub rando jedi isn't going to be able to snipe him with the force from a distance. Plus a rando jedi wouldn't do it in general since it's not the jedi way and like 90% of jedi are super strict to the rules.
@@MegaDrain also not cannon anymore but that’s a different grievance, eh eh get it
Dooku: hated Grievous and disliked his ways
also Dooku: *sends him out to obliterate an entire clan and save his life*
Sidious forced him
You can dislike somebody and still use them
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 my point is he was on his hands and knees practically begging lol
I found that hilarious. In the throes of agony, practically begging him to hurry and save his hide.
Virgin Dooku, "NO YOU CANT JUST KEEP SWINGING BLADES! WHERES YOUR TECHNIQUE!?
Chad Grievous, "hehe, energy swords go BURRRRRR"
Dooku might have trained Grievious but Grievious ended up using primitive scare tactic attacks over efficient sword skill, just look at his rotating lightsaber attacks, he uses them so often but as we first saw in episode III and several times in CW those attacks only works against none forcesensitive beings, the Jedi was able to focus the rotation of his blades and stopped them with a single stab strike, and as we also saw in episode III Obiwan was quick to disarm half of Grievious's hands and Grievious quickly afterwards started to fight in other ways and even seemed to try and escape as now he didnt feel like he could win with ''only'' two lightsabers. The same scare tactics that the inquisitors used in reign of the galactic empire, and as we saw with them, those rotating blades only worked on weak civilians as soon as they stood in front of skilled fighters like Maul, Vader or even some of the Jedi like Caleb those attacks did not work at all.
Although in the animations those rotating blades with his insane sense of balance and acrobats he was a raid boss.
That’s what I hated about the new series clone wars that focused so heavily on grievous being a dumb get away scooby doo villain instead of being a terrifying presence. Which speak volumes to Kenobi in episode 3 cuz he went toe to toe unshaken but it kinda just seem like a lame mercy kill.
@@jackashmore the 2003 show was made before episode 3 George Lucas had always intended for him to be a coward.
@@wholesome2792 and Lucas is dumb for it. I think we all judge him accurately for Jar jar I think it’s fair to be upset with that decision
Honestly works on everyone but force sensitives and unnaturally skilled marksmen.
I guess it makes me wonder, was Dooku's opinions within the Force, the Jedi, and the Republic really so unique? I can get why Sidious wouldn't want this, as he sought the destruction of the Jedi, and even planned to have Tyranus slain, but if we accept that Dooku was at least some type of Sith, and not wholly ignorant as to what they were like, you'd think he would have spent more time trying to shift opinions over to his way of thinking, and that there might've been more Jedi who could have been persuaded to agree with him. Maybe I'm just trying to picture him as some aged version Revan, and even Revan's means of turning Jedi weren't exactly nice, or simply philosophical, but why didn't Dooku try harder to win more Jedi over to his cause, even if it all would have ended up the same, in the end?
He tried to warn konobi but it was to late. He was to silent in the beginning. He had already slain many Jedi brothers baiting them almost like Darth nilus. Maybe if he didn't actually kill any Jedi and some how proved to yoda or many Jedi the threat was real with someone on the other side knowing his true attentions. Idk
In the old Star Wars legends clone wars comics that’s exactly what he tried to do: converting Jedi to his cause. He was never as succesful as Revan though.
He did try to convince Kenobi, and hell, he was probably trying to make Kenobi his apprentice. It's the way of the Sith to try and betray their master. With Dooku's ideals being so driven by the corruption of the Republic and how lax the Jedi had become, his aim might have been able to take over the Galaxy, and shape it into what it could have been. Of course, he failed, and was later killed at the behest of Sidious.
Tales of the Jedi showed that Dooku has been trying to get the Jedi order to relize that they were serving evil, and that they were unprepared for even a mildly formidable foe for several decades. It all fell on deaf ears. It showed that he wasn't evil for evil's sake or anything like that. He genuinely saw the Jedi order as failing at it's mission, and that's why he defected.
@@kukuc96 🙏🔥🚬😎 Truth
Dooku: [hates on Grievous’ fighting style]
Grievous: “Hold on, this whole operation was your idea”
Dooku: "Oh, his lightsaber style is horrible! A disgrace!"
Grievous: "Mhm. So, how many lightsabers do YOU have in your collection?"
Grievous: “Okay Boomer- *cough cough cough…*”
When the original clone wars cartoon came out with the first appearance of Grievous he had killed several Jedi, some Dooku had desired to bring to his side when the clone wars ended. This was one of the many reasons Dooku disliked Grievous, I remember reading theories that because many of the Jedi killed were purposefully listed for Grievous by Palpatine. He possessed great foresight so by eliminating or sabotaging those Dooku tried to keep close to himself so that when he faced Skywalker and Kenobi even with his master present he was alone.
Dooku: noooo you have to use proper form and tune to the rhythm of a single blade.
Greivous: quad buzzsaws go brrrrrrr
Dooku : double bladed lightsabers are here to compensate a lack of skills
Exar kun: Am I a joke to you ?
Dooku would absolutely be fuming if he found out Sidious used two lightsabers against Maul and Savage.
"Although he is a Sith, he did believe in a fair fight."
*Smash-cut to AOTC where Dooku is getting outmatched by Yoda, and distracts him by knocking over a pillar that would crush Anakin and Obi-Wan so he can flee*
Dooku only cared about such things when he was winning.
Dooku hated saber staves and dual wielding? He must've LOATHED Pong Krell.
Well of course Dooku felt that way as both a consummate duelist and teacher. But, he doesn't employ Grievous to look pretty or play nice. "We work with the tools we have."
Grevious was trained in attrition warfare. This was the only best option being that he wasn't force sensitive. He was meant to overwhelm, shock, and off-balance his opponents who had never faced multiple blades at once. Against this fighting style, Soresu had the last best options for defeating him, and I believe had it not been for the interruption, Obi-Wan would have defeated him squarely and decisively in saber to saber combat, as he had the truly greatest weapon of all on his side: patience.
Simply put. Dooku battled with rules while Grievous battled with no rules.
Soo we could say Dooku was a perfectionist but also racist against the cyborgs 😅
Duhh
Well, I guess Dooku would probably have been rooting for Obi-Wan to defeat Vader in KENOBI, given Vader killed Dooku & was more machine than man after his defeat by Obi-Wan on Mustafar!
I would add "traditionalist" to that, too.
Would have been nice to see Dooku train Grievous in The Clone Wars and then see him the Genral in Combat and just think "He is doing NOTHING of what I taught him."
**Dooku hates cyborg**
“That Anakin is so disgusting with his mechanical arm.” “You think so Dooku? Well gees, if only he didn’t get his original arm cut off somehow . . .” :3
“Dooku believes in a fair fight,” yet showed a clip of Dooku using droids to jump Anakin
Do you think Dooku believes the droids will even do anything to them tho
Same way Luke and Obi-wan dueled Dooku two-on-one many times?
Yeah that’s different though because Dooku needed him alive. Anakin would’ve tried to kill Dooku, and therefore Dooku would try to kill him back. Palpatine needed Anakin alive to trade with Padme for Greivous. It totally makes sense why Dooku used the droids instead of fighting a battle to the death, which Anakin would’ve done.
1:46
Another thing we need to take into *a count* is.
Dooku: less is more
Grievous: no, MORE is more
“Dooku believed in a fair fight”
Throws objects at opponent
Throws opponent at object.
Lol
Such a beautiful description. This is one of those many reasons why I love Darth Tyrannus! I completely agree with him in this.
Count Dooku be like I hate his lightsaber style, my brother in Christ you taught him how to use a lightsaber.
Shout out to palpatine for having two lightsabers. Granted he’d rarely use them let alone one lightsaber, but he used both of them to fight Maul and his brother. Even then it was fair. Maul and his brother used a single and dual bladed saber.
Hypocrite of Dooku to despise Grievous for being a cyborg given he is the one in the first place who sabotaged Grievous shuttle, causing it to crash with Grievous inside and forcing him to be rebuilt as a cyborg to survive.
Dooku hates double lightsabers, gets killed by Anakin used double lightsabers with one of hands being cybernetic. Karma really is a bitch.
Dooku, while he may have shown to be powerful, is very delusional on this matter. In an actual duel, battle or war fairness, skill and honor don't matter in the slightest. Surviving is all that matters. How survival is achieved is of no concern.
Yep Dooku at times, has his head up his ass
Skill and honor is part of dookus character, it is a story about political space wizards, not real life meal team six.
'meal team'?
FAT PHOBIC
@@ericvulgate Absolutely.
I feel like skill matters to a degree when fighting, especially for Sith and Jedi
Dooku and Anakin think multiple blades are inferior, but Ventress and Ahsoka use two lightsabers
I quoted the relevant passage from 'Labyrinth of Evil' on your last "Why Dooku hated Grievous" video, but for the benefit of anyone who can be bothered to read this comment, I'll do it again.
"Grievous was a force to be reckoned with, to be sure, but Dooku deplored his habit of collecting lightsabres. It had merely bothered him that Ventress and lesser combatants such as the bounty hunter Aurra Sing has adopted the foul practice. Grievous's habit struck Dooku as the worst kind of profanation. Even so, he was not about to discourage the practice. The more Jedi that could be dispatched, the better.
The only aspect of Grievous's technique that vexed him more was the general's penchant for using four blades. Two was bad enough - in the form they had been used by Darth Maul, or in Anakin Skywalker's sad attempt to employ the technique on Geonosis.
But four?
What was to become of elegance and gallantry if a duelist couldn't make do with one blade?"
"My brother in the Dark Side, _YOU TAUGHT HIM HIS STYLE_ " -Darth Sidius
I always wanted a deep Star Wars fighting game, and I feel like theres a lot of potential for Grievous to be a very interesting character. He doesnt have any Force attacks, giving him no long range capabilities, but his playstyle would primarily revolve around getting close (not necessarily "grappler close") and hitting the opponent with mixup after mixup and a high amount of pressure
We do have jedi academy, its old as dirt but deep.
There was a fighting game mode in the movie game tie-in and I think the force unleashed (WII version) as well but I'm not so sure about the latter. The former on the other hand did have some advantages over all the fighters. He does play pretty aggressively, has a pretty brutal grab move, and is the only character in the game mode that's immune to force grabs and finishers.
Hypocritically though, Dooku used cheap tricks of his own. Like when he realised he couldn’t beat Yoda in Ep 2 He exited the duel by trying to bring the huge pillar down on Obi Wan and Anakin, forcing Yoda to disengage and giving him the opportunity to run.
The way I always saw that scene, was that Dooku very much could've brought the pillar down, then attacked Yoda up close after he put away his saber and started concentrating on the Force, but didn't because he would see that as dishonourable. But taking advantage of the victory he had made over the other two already to leave? That's just him showing Yoda that he's superior to those two and that he shouldn't bring them next time.
It's definitely hypocritical but there's a point of view where it lines up.
Ironic that Dooku kept training people who used lightsaber styles he hates, like Grievous and Ventress. No wonder Qui-Gon was his favorite apprentice.
What did Dooku think of Ventress then with two blades? 3:07 and what did he think of Ashoka?
Imagine how smug he'd be by finding out that Qui-Gons apprentice is the one to best and kill the Grievous
I think Dooku would've loved it if he'd seen Obi-Wan take out Grievous.
More likely Dooku would have been disappointed that Kenobi was forced to use an uncivilized weapon to beat Grievous.
@@Jay_76 I think he’d be more disappointed that the robot with 4 devices commonly used to deflect blaster bolts got shot to death from 6 feet in front of him.
To be fair to Grievous, he regularly had to fight multiple people armed with the force, he had to make up for it somehow
This right here was an excellent video saying why Grevious was a brutal and just about everyone despised the killing machine. Only made me wish that Dooku was alive when Grevious was killed by Obi-Wan.
I love how unalike Dooku and Grievous are.
It’s like poetry. It rhymes. But in reverse.
Really gotta love Dooku's purist attitude on his art. Would really love to duel him of all jedi's
Glorified Trash Compactor line had me dying 🤣🤣
One thing you should have mentioned toward the end, Dooku was killed by two blades at the same time. Maybe if he had gotten over his pride, he could have lived.
You are correct that Anakin killed Dooku with two lightsabers. However, before that fatal blow was struck, Anakin _DEFEATED_ Dooku with only one lightsaber.
@@Jay_76 that’s an indisputable point. Also, Dooku not only beat two blades, but two blades and two Jedi. The number of blades is irrelevant.
It wouldn’t surprise me when Dooku took on Savage Opress as his apprentice given to him by Mother Talzin who was secretly Ventress’s apprentice despised figures like Maul or Savage using more than one blade obviously as for Maul he was always a blood thirsty barbarian even Sidious had low tolerance for savagery and ignorance this also would explain why Darth Plagueis instructed Palpatine to specifically train Maul only as a Sith Assassin and not a true Sith Lord technically Maul was a Sith Lord but he was more between
Yeah no, a Saberstaff is sci-fi laser version of a Staff. A Light Saber is a sci-fi laser version of a Sword. A staff is a peaceful weapon, the weapon of a Shepherd, a Teacher, a Protector, and a Leader. A sword is a violent weapon, the weapon of a Killer, a Fighter, a Destroyer, and a Soldier.
It is the Saberstaff that is an elegant weapon, while Dooku may have found elegance and precision with the Light Saber it doesn't change the fact that his weapon descends from Barbarians and Soldiers while Maul's and Temple Guards' weapon descends from Shepherds and Protectors.
Watching this, I am reminded of a time in my childhood when I had a "sword" fight with a friend. I jumped between using a single blade and duel-wielding, and remember I got worse as I used two blades. I understand Dooku's point of view and swordsmanship.
Dual wielding blades style is a thing in real life but it only works in duels, no one went on a battlefield dual wielding. It requires more training, a different type of training but it's not impractical.
The problem with using two blades is that one gets in the way of the other. You need a lot of training to fight like that. This is why when duel wielding occurred in the real world, it was generally with shorter daggers to help parry attacks, or to get an edge while in-fighting. With the invention of guns, swords and pistols were sometimes wielded simultaneously. Even empty, pistol whipping could still give an edge.
None of that is necessary for a force user, who can use its various powers with their other hand to compensate for their lack of a ranged weapon.
Actually dual wielding is a thing. The problem is that it’s hard.
It gives certain advantages but the skill floor to maintain effective use of two weapons is high.
It really must have been the perfect twisting of the knife for Grievous to be slain by a Jedi...but one using a blaster. He almost got what he wanted, but not exactly. Of course makes sense that Dooku was blinded by his own pride like the Jedi were. Could see Grievous' "style" as an abomination, but it was effective. Only someone that could let their pride go a bit like Obi Wan was able to overcome that monster.
I wonder if Grevious thought he was a better dullest than Dooku. Even after Dooku was killed in ROTS he confidently said he was trained “in the Jedi arts by Count Dooku.” He knew Dooku died
Dooku: one must use 1 lightsaber...
Grievous : times 4
Dooku: *force lightning*
I think that Bane's blade master described it best that especially in the case of dual bladed sabers, if you knew where one blade was, you knew where the other one was.
That said, I think it would be refreshing to see jedi using something like Soresu with a dual blade, as a more effective defense. (Perhaps I like Donatello)
Darth Zannah used Soresu with a shortish saberstaff.
8:00 It wasn't sadistic, it was the ultimate slip of his hand as to what Dooku actually was: the wisest and bravest Jedi. His entire plan was to humble the Order, bring all the galaxy's armies to their knees by making them fight, and then when the war ended he'd kill Palpatine and go to the Jedi Order and be like "Remember when I told you this was always going to happen? Yeah, well, it happened, and look who saved your ass." He always intended to keep the Republic, kill Palpatine, and rebuild the Jedi Order. He was a double agent from day one, a Jedi spy in the Sith forces. Remember: Dooku doesn't have Sith eyes. He never embraced the Dark Side, he used it as a tool. He never truly fell, any more than Jolee or Qui-Gon had. He just was a chessmaster in an order of checkers fans.
His original plan was probably something like that, but he ultimately fell to the Dark Side. He could never have gone back to being a Jedi.
He just hides his Sith eyes using the Force, same thing that Anakin did in RotS and that Palpatine did continously for like 30 years.
I get some of Dooku's beliefs. I hold swordsmanship in an almost religious reverence. But unlike Dooku, I believe in training not only myself, but others in a fashion that is complimentary to the needs of the swordfighter. My style is modeled off of Djem So, as I've stated on this channel's comment sections before. It works for me since it's not particularly mobile and the counterattacks balance out my difficulty with remaining defensive in a match. My wife is more of a fencer, relying on swift and quick blade work to compensate for her much smaller body (she's a foot shorter than I am) and lack of leverage and preferring to use one hand over two, while I switch constantly between one and two hands on one sword.
Trying to force a style that is incompatible with one's body without taking into account how it can compensate for one's weaknesses is a futile exercise. I despise the idea of holding one style above all others. It is a ridiculous and elitist viewpoint. Having passion for one style is not a terrible thing. But Dooku was a true idiot for adhering to one style exclusively without adopting skills to compensate for its weaknesses.
Dooku was always single-minded and a perfectionist as well as a traditionalist. You can respect that he valued how he won instead of just winning, but at the same time, he limited himself because of his high standards. Grievous, Ventress, and Savage may have lacked the finest that Dooku valued, but they were pragmatic as they cared about winning the battle as efficiently as possible.
As for me, i'm more of a bo-staff/spear person because it's balanced in offense and defense.
@@michaelmurray8134, you raise several good points. Dooku's perfectionism and dedication to his style indeed made victory as much contingent on the means as the outcome or result itself. This is because of his confidence in his own abilities, thus for him, victory in his mind was practically guaranteed. Thus, he had the luxury of choosing how he won, at least from his perspective.
Ventress, Grievous, and others, on the other hand, were more result-focused than anything else.
I used to be more oriented towards bo staffs and spears when I was younger. But due to my PTSD, I chose to focus more on swordsmanship, as I had never had to use a sword in practical self-defense, much less on a routine basis. Swords are a clean slate by comparison for me. And the precision of a blade is a means to help me focus on severing my connections to my trauma by grounding myself in the present.
But since I walk with a cane now, I still maintain a functional and practical skill with staff weapons out of habit and because I literally can't run away if confronted with violence. I practice jo staff techniques more due to the size of my cane.
2003 grivious>>>>>>>>>>>>> filoni grivious
I noticed something interesting. Stupendous Wave did not mention what form of lightsaber combat Grievous specialized in. Did Grievous refuse to use any traditional forms of lightsaber combat?
I believe Grievous developed his own, because no style was designed with a cyborg body and 4, let alone 6 -blades- glowbats in mind.
Yes Grievous sometimes used 6 glowsticks by holding two in his feet/claws (at least in the books) might not be as accurate as the ones in his hands, but still two additional death sticks to avoid.
Nice. I know I'm asking for speculation here, but what do you imagine Count Dooku would think (or even say to Obi-Wan) after General Grievous' demise (assuming he had lived long enough, or somehow became a force ghost)? From everything you've shared about Dooku's values and his relationship with Obi-Wan, he'd have to feel some sort of nuanced pride, no?
it always boggles my mind why Dooku ever joined with Palpatine. everything Palpatine is working towards, it is everything Dooku wants to fight to avoid!
i simply do not understand why he chose Palpatine over the Jedi. had he discussed with Yoda about the Jedi and where they were going, he would have understood.
Dooku was too focused on "brownie points" and bragging rights. It ultimately got him killed.
I just thought: "LMAO, Grievious is an AI generated art for lightsaber combat"
Imagine grievous with the force
Imagine grievous made out of beskar
Part of the reason why dooku fell to the dark side was his love in the art of lightsaber combat but in his heart he wanted to force the jedi to change and be the warriors of light and bring real peace to the galaxy. And he choose to do that by any means
Ok so I'm a bit unclear about something mentioned in this video. Could anyone clarify it for me? So many Jedi disliked Saber Staffs, yet they allowed the Temple Guards to wield them. Why is this, if they disdain the weapon?
I wish we got the cartoon grievous in the movies instead of the dumb coward version.
Honestly Dooku hated anything that wasn't his own single blade fighting style.
I'd like to see Duku's "Perfect" Makashi take on someone who used a Lightsaber with a Blaster or a Shield. Something tells me Form 2 would fall apart at the seams if it went up against something like that.
@@kaimagnus5760 Maybe any other Makashi specialist, but always remember, Form II's weaknesses are usually not Dooku's.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 True, considering Duku is widely considered to have completely perfected Form 2 then he may have already accounted for those obvious weaknesses and created numerous countermeasures for them. After all, he has definitely had long enough to even develop new techniques to make up for the form's weaknesses.
“Glorified trash compactor”. That made me laugh more than I expected 😂
Dooku seems like the epitome of a swordsman loyal to not just the craft but the art. Someone like Grievous who is literally a chainsaw with lightsabers, I could see why Dooku wouldn't see there being any class or respect to swordsmanship.
I don't think Dooku valued a fair fight. We see him, on numerous occasions, use tricks and treachery to achieve what he wants. But I do think that Dooku thought Grievous had so much more potential than he was willing or able to refine, which made Dooku frustrated more than angry because he knew what Grievous could have been had the General been more careful and precise, and less concerned with gloating and grandstanding (which Grievous did enjoy).
I believe in two (kinda contradictory) things. All’s fair in love and war and their never really is such a thing as a fair fight. If someone wants you to act a certain way in war it’s because they’re stronger that way. Like the British wanting the Americans to line up like they did. Instead of having to deal with guerrilla warfare.
Edit. There not their
So TLDR Dooku was an elitist ass who complained when something isn’t balanced, let it be known that half of the whole make grievous into a fucking robot and ruin his life plan was Dooku’s idea, grievous got shafted more than any other and deserved better than to be a puppet
Dooku was an academic and a contrarian yelling at those darn kids to get off his perfectly cut lawn.
Given the galaxy and it’s history, I found grevious refreshing (2003 Grevious). Out of trillions of beings in the galaxy probably only a few hundred thousand had any noticeable force powers, and only about 10,000 jedi existed at the time.
I see it as perfectly fair because Jedi and Sith alike loomed over the galaxy for thousands of years and had an advantage over almost every other creature because they could “move rocks” with their mind.
To have a being capable of defeating them without the force is truly a testament to the creativity of other beings in the galaxy and explains why many liked Grevious
My brother in christ... you trained him.
I assume the reason TH-cam recommended this video to me is because I just read the entirety of Grievous's wookiepedia page yesterday. Having said that, and I'm no expert on the extended lore at all, what I read was basically the complete opposite of everything you said. Grievous hated having to be augmented in the first place and it was him who was prejudice against bio-mechanical beings, not Dooku. In fact, Dooku actually purposefully injured Grievous just to have an excuse to add more mechanical parts to him. Dooku even gifted him lightsabers that he took from jedi he killed.
What did Dooku think of Sidious’ use of 2 light sabers?
The same guy who distracted yoda by releasing a large pillar on unconscious anakin. Yes... No tricks...
Heh even Sidious didnt like Grievous like AT ALL last thing the Sith Lord wanted was relying on a droid like animal such as Grievous for anything else when i first layed eyes on General Grievous i was like “how can a droid wield lightsabers I thought only force sensitives can, but this is jus ridiculous and seeing a droid use lightsabers for the first time jus felt way off”
I love the clone wars dooku fights with anakin and Obi wan.
Often dooku puts Obi wan on the attack and anakin on the defense, precisely to their weaknesses
Grievous: "But you have seen it!"
Which episode of TCW is seen at 0:45?
And then, after all of that, Windu winded Grievous. Permanently.
Obi-Wan also beat him with a blaster, which'd probably only infuriate Dooku more.
Dooku: "i hate Grevious's lightsaber style"
Grevious: "ive been trained in your jedi arts by Count Dooku"
If a Jedi had killed Greivous, it would of upset Palpatine, but he always had plans, I imagine had the separatist won, he would of manuevered his way into leadership, and then panted Grievous as a Warmonger that conducted himself as a war criminal. had a Jedi killed Grievious Dooku would of revealed in it, but outwardly pretended to be annoyed.
I think that countercoup is arrogant, but compared of all the enemies of the Jedi, he was the one that was able to best Anakin, Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, especially with Marcus. She is the only other lights to perform and I can counter Marcus. She is Jenso form five
Bet Palpatine just loved ordereing Dooku to train Grievous and see Grevious win knowing Darth Sidious's contempt for lightsaber combat & his innate sadism.
“Glorified Trash Compactor” haha
Cuz he had 2 hands and uses 1 Lightsaber.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were Dooku who coined the phrase “skill issue”. Lolz 🤣😭😂
Imagine dookus dismay when he finds out the fencing style most similar to what he used is paired with and called "blaster" stance
I think this is genius of Dooku. He plants a weakness in an effective tool just in case it's used against him afterwards. This is very reminiscent of his master, Darth Sidious.
The guy in the thumbnail for the video...is not..I repeat IS NOT DOOKU.
...my powers have doubled since we last met, Count.⚔
Grievous knows spinning is a good trick
Weird take from dooku considering his Padawan was killed with a saber staff and also he trained ventress who basically used a saber staff on a few occasions
great video as always
the merch looks amazing!
I wonder what doku thinks of Ahsoka she is the only one I can think of that doesn’t over compensate by useing 2 blades
he would have a low opinion of her. He is a top tiered Lightsaber Duelist and an arrogant one at that
Ya but he has a point on Jedi over compensating by useing 2 blades
It doesn't seem to have mattered to Dooku how good someone appeared to be with 2 blades. He felt like a true expert duelist only needed 1, and i can understand the logic behind that belief. In a 1v1 situation, the better duelist would win by their skill and not the fact that they had more than 1 blade.