If a physical release doesn’t exist buy all the damned bootlegs you want. If a physical does exist support that. It’s really that simple. Can’t believe some people want to get into other peoples wallets and concern themselves with what is one someone else’s shelf. Also must be noted piracy has been around a long damn time. This isn’t a new thing and the fact that some are getting their panties in a twist now is kinda a joke.
Feels like I just sat through a sermon......PREACH!! (FYI...bootleg law enforcement is actually falls under the jurisdiction of the ATF...don't answer any knock on the door for the next few days, Ken)
I love that of a 24 minute video your negative points lasted less than 1 minute 😂. In my eyes you're a passionate collector who will do whatever necessary to have it physically. Good lad.
I agree with pretty much everything you said Ken! If these studios would just release everything, then we would buy it!! I don't judge anyone who buys bootlegs.
I totally agree with you. I have boots in my collection. People say buy physical because on streaming films disappear or get edited because someone.gets woke or some snowflake doesn't like something in a movie Like splash that you showed . But when it comes to boots they change there opinion. It's to hypocritical . When physical releases are made I always bought and got rid of my boot. We stream and don't buy boots . It shows that we are ok with streaming and don't want a physical. F that. I want the disc. Boot or m.o.d. or regular release.
I've said this before-I have a few boots that don't have releases atm. I have no problem with that. Once the real release comes out I will buy them. Not only that, but I will gladly pay full price and not even wait for a sale! 😂
Sounds like your rediculing a real condition, but ok. I also don't know why people have an issue with bootlegs, but I love slipcases and care about how my collection looks... Also, why would somebody unhealthily obsessed with THEIR collection, care if somebody ELSE gets bootlegs? this is the dumbest comment I read today.
Simple for me as I'm a movie fan first and foremost and if a movie or tv show doesn't have a legit physical release I'll buy the bootleg if I want to own and watch it.
That's my same rule.... if there's an official version, I'll buy it. It needs to be official and available. That's the issue especially when you're talking Disney, Netflix, etc... who refuse to put physical media out.... then it forces this issue.
I refuse to support either Netflix or Disney so I'd go out of my way to purchase a bootleg just to spite them, but seeing as they haven't released anything worth money in a few years then there is no issue for me.
@@WhirlingMusic being in the UK since stupid Brexit importing stuff now is a massive pain in the ass postage is ridiculous and Australia no longer ship to us at all it's shite
I have the True Lies. It was from Spain and honestly, it is way better than that garbage DVD we have had for years. Looks decent on the 4K player and TV. When James Cameron gives us The Abyss, Aliens, and True Lies on a proper 4K release, we have to find alternatives for the moment, Ken. Spot on video. Splash had a 2004 Special Edition DVD with a redone cover and it's not that bad, but yes, we need an HD version.
That is a very good release and I think it’s relatively legal in a loophole way involving Spanish law. I got mine on Amizon (with Prme shipping) so can’t imagine it would be actually illegal.
The worst part with Cameron is that while he has three different excuses he gives for why True Lies and The Abyss are not on blu-ray, it actually comes down to laziness. Years ago, a technician from the studio stated that whenever time came for them to make a new print, Jim Cameron would bring his own TV into the studio for a day, and he would spend the whole day going over what he 'thought' looked best on the TV...and therefore, what the best version of the film was. (Leaving aside that not everyone has the same TV; some had better than him, and some had worse.) As he got further into other projects like underwater exploration and Avatar, he just did not want to do that. He said it himself; something along the likes of, "I'm so busy the whole week, and that takes a whole day to go over the transfer; I just have to find 24 hours to do so." So all the stories about modern stereotypes in True Lies, and dangerous situations on the set of The Abyss, and legal rights between Fox and Disney, etc....that's all bullshit. The real reason is Cameron considers those films his 'lesser' films, and so he doesn't want to sit his ass down for a day and approve the transfers. At one point, even Rian Johnson and Ryan Reynolds complained to him on Twitter that they couldn't watch his movies on home media! And he quickly scrambled to reassure them that he was "working on it". That's the problem with Cameron: he's always "working on it"; it's never going to happen. When other directors and actors are calling you out publicly, I think you've crossed the line. Bill Paxton died while fans were waiting for a release of True Lies, and he never got to see the film restored. I find that rather sad.
Whenever we tried to record a VHS rental, the copy protection would kick in and ruin the picture. I’m sure someone knew of a workaround, but we didn’t know how. I did record my favorite tv shows off the air, but back then it didn’t seem like most TV shows had a VHS release. The tricky part was pressing stop for the commercials then record again at just the right time 😂
My grandmother had a cable box with HBO and Cinemax and stuff and she would record stuff for us with no commercials and of course it was an edited on those channels. Good times
Most tapes had macrovision protection. Infact most DVDs and Blu-ray’s still have it. Most old VCRs didn’t support macro vision and neither did Betamax, so taping VHS rentals to beta was great back then.
Ppl now days thing they invented downloading 😂 we in the 80s we started over the air download.. from recording VHS to recording a song from the radio ..and yelling at the disc jockey who always talked over the song 😂😂
Agreed, Ken. In my opinion, the kind of collectors who go out of their way to buy bootleg copies are the kind of collectors who go out of their way to double-dip on official copies.
I refuse to buy "air" that I don't own even when I pay for it. I have digital copies that came with movies that I've purchased that have disappeared from my streaming service. So NO to digital, I'll gladly watch a bootleg and buy when it comes out legitimately. Digital sucks.
As someone who only started collecting Blu Rays 3 years ago, I love the idea of bootleg Blu Rays because there is a number of Stephen King adaptions not available on Blu Ray otherwise, I think I have 1 or 2 bootlegs including Apt Pupil on Blu Ray I know there is an official Blu Ray release which would cost me over $100 for some reason, but there are also 32 Stephen King adaptions I own on DVD that I would prefer on Blu Ray, Even if they would have to be bought in bootleg format.
Awesome video Ken I 100 percent agree with you on this you made some really great points,there's so many great movies that have yet to get a blu ray release.
Harmy’s “Despecialized” edition of the original Star Wars trilogy is the only one I’ve purchased. We will probably never get an official release of the trilogy. It’s 1080i anamorphic. While not perfect, it is still amazing. The amount of work put into them is above and beyond. Highly recommended!
You are correct the unaltered theatrical versions will never get an official physical release ever again as George Lucas had it put in the contract when he sold the rights to the Franchise that they can never be released again as his Special Editions with all the changes and CGI added stuff is now the official Star Wars this is why I still own the 2006 Dvds despite also owning the 2011 remasters on Blu Ray as it is the last time the theatrical cuts will be on official physical media
There’s people that buy bootleg because they don’t wanna pay expensive official release. Honestly I hate Bootleg because I like collecting physical media but if I go to goodwill or thrift store and see bootlegs it just ruins the day.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. For me it’s a lot of the Disney plus shows or Netflix shows. I want those on the shelf, and I’m still paying for those streaming services
I have been collecting Movies for Decades and If I can find a Legal Copy of a Movie or TV series that I want, I will buy them. However there are Many series and movies that are not being released to Physical Media, this leaves bootleg copies as the only choice left. The companies that create these products cannot complain about bootleg copies if they are unwilling to release these on Physical Media.
Can't say it's something I agree with. I believe the bootleg does harm physically media. I feel those that buy them will not buy again if they are released. But, that's just me. For me I just can't see how a bootleg will be as good as "proper" BR/4K. I personally can wait fir an official release. If that never comes then so be it, there are plenty of other to buy. People are free to do as they please, I just chose not too.
Physical media started because of rentals. The only renter left is redbox. Streaming is better for them…they think. The problem is they haven’t caught up to the boutique trend. Hell you can get new music on vinyl and cassette easier than cd sometimes. They are just missing an entire revenue stream because they think it’ll push streaming but what it really does is alienate their most loyal and repetitive customers. Heads firmly implanted…you know where.
So I took a day to think about this and here are my thoughts. I don’t support piracy, but like yourself and so many, these production companies need to get on it. Give us a legit physical media copy of these movies. There are millions of dollars in physical media and collectors like yourself and so many others would definitely buy it. Hell I spent $176 for a legit copy of Black X-Mas (2006), even though I could’ve got a $10 bootleg version. So like you said it’s a scary thought, stores are making their physical media shelves smaller and smaller and it scares me. Thank you Ken for this great video.
Thank you Bill. It's very tough and there are so many ways to look at it. I don't necessarily support the piracy of films either, but if that's the only option, it kind of forces your hand.
I used to tape stuff off HBO and Cinemax all the time, and thank God I did. Many of these shows never made it to VHS or DVD and in fact some of these shows are listed as Lost Media. I would happily pick up legitimate copies of National Lampoon's Hot Flashes, Hull High, Cavemen, Misfits of Science, or The American Chronicles. Since no one is rushing to release them, I have my old VHS copies and/or burned DVDs. I have replaced my burned DVDs anytime I find a real copy of them. Gargoyles (the movie not the Disney cartoon), couldn't find it forever when I did, I bought it and ditched the burned copy. Same for Silent Partner and The Gong Show Movie. Now I do have several bootleg DVDs that I picked up at pawn shops, Goodwill, and the like. Some of them I bought because they cracked me up. For example I have a bootleg of Lilo and Stitch with an R rating. I also have multiple DVD releases and blu-rays that are legitimate releases. Will buy it on 4K as soon as it gets released. The bootleg is strictly for shits and giggles.
I actively seek uncensored, unedited Galaxy Quest with no qualms. They've had enough chances to get it right through various reissues and anniversary editions and they haven't done it yet.
Also Ken, thanks to you showing off that Sleepaway Camp shirt back when you got it, I have been buying so many horror themed T shirts across various websites lol. Now I have two hobbies. Movie collection and T shirt collecting.
Oh man, I so agree with you.... Give me the option to get the official release on physical media and I will 100% support it ! But how can any studios complains about bootleg blu rays if they don't offer the option to get ligit discs ! I mean come on....
I have a ton of them because no real release exists. I make my own cover art and put them right into my collection. If it gets a real release, I always buy it.. There is nothing wrong with it at all. I got them all for free, I would never pay money for a bootleg..
If the studios don't put them out, I'm gonna have it how ever I can get it. Sucks for them if they only want to keep it on streaming because I literally don't have any streaming subscriptions at all.
I saw the DiscFather attacking unnamed person too. I think those who are against bootleg movies are hypocrites because if they stopped making physical media those same ppl would buy the bootleg ones. I would buy bootleg movies and tv shows if the companies don’t sell them. I would buy them legitimately once they are released.
I'd buy them legitimately as well, but until then. These bootlegs are preserving films/shows for the future in case companies never release them to physical media
Ken, I applaud YOU for not being a judgmental unrealistic asshat about this issue and for owning Bev. Hillbillies bc I love Jim Varney and since this is effectively the only non-Ernest title we MAY ever get, and now you got me wanting that one.
Good points. Unfortunately, I kind of agree on your thoughts. I know that I'd not hesitate to get a bootleg of Disney's DuckTales 2017 if it is never officially released.
Good points Ken! Like I said in my video, as long as you buy the official release, buy all the bootlegs you want! And I know 100% you’d buy those official releases! You get it. I’m glad it’s being brought up though. I hope it kicks some studios in the ass to make more official copies!! 😃
Yeah, you made that caveat several times in your video lol people fightin ghosts. But you also kinda made the topic viral so in a way it's still on you that everyone's gotta cash in now with their own videos conveniently reinterpreting things 😆😉
@@evanw7538 it’s an important topic! I’m glad it’s come up and it’s being talked about. I’m glad Ken covered it as well. The studios need to see that people want to support these films, and they can’t!
@@JeffRauseo you right you right, just givin you a hard time for all the niche drama I gotta sit through now 😏 Good to get the juices flowin though, more people talking about physical media is a win regardless for sure
Dude ur like a cockroach 😂 Stopped watching your channel because of your embarrassing political takes/drama you feel the need to post under your physical media account that no one asked for. Now here you are stirring up unnecessary drama for the other better physical media accounts people like me have escaped to. You’re a wild one man lol.
I 100% agree with you Ken! If they don't support physical media or make it available, I have to find alternative ways to get my favorite show or movies.
I will but bootlegs of every film I want until there is a legitimate physical release… the vast majority are streaming exclusives so most will NEVER see a legitimate release.
Glad to hear you're all for bootlegs. I myself have been downloading your TH-cam videos and uploading them to Vimeo under my own name. Thanks for the free revenue.
Ok, still watching.... but also keep in mind, older shows and movies.... some of those will never see a physical release and if they do, they'll be edited for content and/or music rights issues. Streamers are well within their rights to pull content whenever or if a contract runs up. It's a real thing.
I buy what I want. I like more obscure movies. If the studio wants me to buy movies, give me a physical copy. Buying a movie from a streaming service doesn't mean you actually OWN the movie. That movie can disappear. You may not always be able to afford multiple streaming services forever. Movies and TV series disappear off streaming services. I recorded TV series because that was all that was available back then.
I am on board 100%. If these studios can't see that they have more than enough people that are willing to buy physical media releases, then that's their fault and anybody that says they never bought anything bootlegged or damn liars. And yes, my dad used to do the whole blockbuster/ Hollywood video rent a movie, and record it. We had two to three VCRs in our house at all times. 😅 I support whatever people want to send there money on! We had so many bootleg VHS movies that my dad used to get. I couldn't even count and if our basement didn't get flooded I would literally still own all those VHS's because we had thousands of them. But when our basement got flooded we damn near lost everything. Keep up the great work. Ken, let them know the truth.
There so many movies to collect, literally tenths of thousands. I just dont care about movies like barberian, prey or encino man getting blu-rays or 4ks.
If its not released on bluray, how can you get a bluray quality transfer on a copied disc? Where did they get the transfer from? Are you sure its not just a dvd rip put in a bluray case?
Thankfully we have Prey, The Abyss, and True Lies on 4K now. Just curious, what do you do with your bootleg blu rays once you buy the official versions? Do you toss them in the trash or just give them to someone? I don't think you could give those to thrift stores or Goodwills.
I agree with everything you said Ken! I have bootlegs myself if the damn studios won’t give us a physical copies and someone is selling a bootleg I’m going to pick it up. If the films do get an actual physical release I’ll 100% buy it! No judgement on anyone who does or does not buy bootlegs here
I think its ok to have a bootleg if the studio doesn't have their own physical copy available but i feel if you have a bootleg and the studio releases an official copy, you should buy the studios release to support everyone involved. I personally wouldn't buy bootlegs and support people that have no involvement in the production. My 2 cents spent
I buy bootleg blu-rays and DVDs all the time Ken it's a good way to see a movie to see if I like it or not and if I like it then I'll buy the actual copy or maybe just keep the bootleg LoL 😆 I have Barbarian on DVD
Somebody has probably already mentioned this but just in case… recording things off of cable or the air with a VCR and keeping them was not (and still is not) illegal.
Isn't it the same with streaming, if you aren't going to be sharing to anyone else anyway, because if not then i'd be very curious to know how PlayOn is able to get away with it.
What's the difference between a bootleg and just pirating ? I don't judge anyone for what they do when it comes to media especially with the way hollywood and celebrities have been treating fans
I had an Aunt and Uncle who decided to save money by canceling their cable but before they did they spent a couple months both them and my cousins were constantly recording movies tv shows and even MTV
I just ordered 2 shows that don’t exist physically - they’ve only ever been streaming with no release in sight. I feel the same, I’d buy them the moment they came out officially and would rather not buy boots, but what choice do I have?
There are some I've thought of getting but worry about buying them online I doubt the studios would go after a buying for a movie or tv show here or there they would probably just shut down the website.
If a studio, has no intention of releasing a physical media version of a film or series, I have ZERO problem with quality bootlegs being produced. I loved the film HUSH on Netflix. It was release SEVEN years ago, and there has been no mention of ever releasing a PM version. I WANT this in my collection so, if I can grab a competently produced boot, so be it. Jeff’s argument, that I should “support” Di$ney, by subscribing to D+, my answer is: NOPE. It’s quite frankly never going to happen. I won’t support a studio, who actively destroyed evergreen franchises, and basically flips-off the fanbase.
Fright Night Part 2 is the biggest example of this. It may never ever get a Blu-ray release so your damn straight I paid for a bootleg of it and outside of the case you can’t even tell it’s a fake because it looks that good. I know Cinemuseum announced they were trying to put it out but with those guys you never know what you’re gonna get. They take years to put stuff out and will only produce like 100 copies each and charge ridiculous amounts of cash for them. Another example is Freddy’s Nightmares. I love that show but I know damn well it’s never getting a legit good release so I purchased a great looking bootleg copy of the entire series.
I don’t own any bootleg blu rays but back in the dvd era I had plenty lol I just no longer go that route. If it’s not on disc or streaming I just don’t worry about it anymore. There are some things Films at home says I don’t agree with but I actually agree with him that it’s not a good thing to give money to someone who made a bootleg and had nothing to do with the production of the movie and it just feels kinda wrong to be honest. But of course that’s just my opinion.
I'm a massive Star Wars fan & I have a Disney plus subscription and got bootlegs of the Star Wars shows (Mandalorian, Clone Wars season 7 etc..). The way i see it i am supporting the creators but paying someone to provide me with a physical copy. Personally i can't see the greedy Disney company ever putting them out on a physical media so sadly to complete my collection i have to resort to bootlegs.
Bootleg of psychical media has been going since the 80's honestly it's not hard thing to do, doing it for yourself is one thing selling it is a whole other world, just know selling it is illegal....
You have a very sensible take on this topic. I dont even know why this is an issue. If someone buys a bootleg, it is not anyone else's business. Its a bit presumptuous to accuse someone for having a bootleg blu ray. I dont have any bootlegs. But for movies without a blu ray release, i get why some people may buy a bootleg. Prey's lack of physical release for example, is very frustrating. Bottom line, if i had a bootleg, I'd know its a stain on my collection. But its a personal decision. Its silly to pass judgement on someone else. Noone prefers a bootleg to an official. Honestly, i sometimes think a streaming service's decision not to release physical is a way to try to coerce people to continue their streaming subscription.
I have a Blu-ray DVD of True Lies and I actually love it 😀 😄 It's the Spanish packaging 📦 edition of it but it has a English 5.1 Audio track on it and it sounds Spectacular on my floor speakers 🔊 and the picture is cool as well. Now I'm waiting on the 4k of it but I'm still keeping this Blu-ray of True Lies 👊👊📽
Bootlegs flood the market with fake items that create opportunities for scammers to trick people who are buying rare or out of print items into buying fake crap. Bootlegs have basically destroyed retro game cartridge collecting as it has become near impossible to sus out real carts. Overall it’s a net negative, but if you want to spend your money on stolen art, go for it.
I agree with you this is not a cut and dry argument. And streaming for large parts of the Great Nation is still not a truly viable option given the weak suave bandwidth we have as a whole.
I won't ever shame a collector for having the bootleg. I might have an issue with the bootleggers, depending on what it is they are bootlegging and how they are doing business. I fall into the availability camp. If it doesn't have a legit release it is OK to purchase a bootleg. Despecialized versions of the Star Wars movies on bluray are an example.
Agree with you Ken! Seems silly that I'm supposed to wait a decade for James Cameron to finally approve a True Lies or The Abyss transfer. Those blurays have been "coming soon" for 6-7 years now. Cameron's color timing guy posted info about The Abyss transfer in 2018.
I loved your comment on recording tv shows on vhs... I still have a collection of those. It also got me into buying review screeners and emmy nom discs of shows that have no release yet, I still have those in my collection. I will buy boots of stuff I really want in my collection, but will replace when a real release comes available. And to your point of creators wanting their stuff, I think of the poor directors of Batgirl that tried to save some of their work but were locked out.
If a physical release doesn’t exist buy all the damned bootlegs you want. If a physical does exist support that. It’s really that simple. Can’t believe some people want to get into other peoples wallets and concern themselves with what is one someone else’s shelf.
Also must be noted piracy has been around a long damn time. This isn’t a new thing and the fact that some are getting their panties in a twist now is kinda a joke.
Agreed Tim!
I have True Lies from Spain so many get into knots about the fact it's a bootleg well it's not available in any other form so I really don't care
Absolutely hit the nail on the head - if the studios won't release the movie on physical media then what other choice do you have?
Feels like I just sat through a sermon......PREACH!! (FYI...bootleg law enforcement is actually falls under the jurisdiction of the ATF...don't answer any knock on the door for the next few days, Ken)
Appreciate the mention 👍.
That's true for forgotten films or series, owning the bootleg is the only way to preserve it.
If I buy a bootleg, I would buy the real thing when it’s available
I love that of a 24 minute video your negative points lasted less than 1 minute 😂. In my eyes you're a passionate collector who will do whatever necessary to have it physically. Good lad.
I agree with pretty much everything you said Ken! If these studios would just release everything, then we would buy it!! I don't judge anyone who buys bootlegs.
As long as they are replaced when the legit version is released Who cares??? Most collectors want the best version anyway.
I totally agree with you. I have boots in my collection. People say buy physical because on streaming films disappear or get edited because someone.gets woke or some snowflake doesn't like something in a movie Like splash that you showed . But when it comes to boots they change there opinion. It's to hypocritical . When physical releases are made I always bought and got rid of my boot. We stream and don't buy boots . It shows that we are ok with streaming and don't want a physical. F that. I want the disc. Boot or m.o.d. or regular release.
I've said this before-I have a few boots that don't have releases atm. I have no problem with that. Once the real release comes out I will buy them. Not only that, but I will gladly pay full price and not even wait for a sale! 😂
The only people upset about others buying bootlegs are collectors with debilitating ocd and care more about slips and how neat their shelves look.
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Agree.Ive never understood this Slipcase obsessive thing with some people.
Sounds like your rediculing a real condition, but ok. I also don't know why people have an issue with bootlegs, but I love slipcases and care about how my collection looks... Also, why would somebody unhealthily obsessed with THEIR collection, care if somebody ELSE gets bootlegs? this is the dumbest comment I read today.
Good point
Simple for me as I'm a movie fan first and foremost and if a movie or tv show doesn't have a legit physical release I'll buy the bootleg if I want to own and watch it.
Agree Dan 👍
That's my same rule.... if there's an official version, I'll buy it. It needs to be official and available. That's the issue especially when you're talking Disney, Netflix, etc... who refuse to put physical media out.... then it forces this issue.
Even if I have to import it and pay the crazy shipping, I will do it as long as it's an official bluray
I refuse to support either Netflix or Disney so I'd go out of my way to purchase a bootleg just to spite them, but seeing as they haven't released anything worth money in a few years then there is no issue for me.
Same , I haven't bought any blu ray bootlegs yet I'm looking at a Steven King adaptation right now.
@@WhirlingMusic being in the UK since stupid Brexit importing stuff now is a massive pain in the ass postage is ridiculous and Australia no longer ship to us at all it's shite
Very true. Streaming has changed the game.
I have the True Lies. It was from Spain and honestly, it is way better than that garbage DVD we have had for years. Looks decent on the 4K player and TV.
When James Cameron gives us The Abyss, Aliens, and True Lies on a proper 4K release, we have to find alternatives for the moment, Ken. Spot on video.
Splash had a 2004 Special Edition DVD with a redone cover and it's not that bad, but yes, we need an HD version.
That is a very good release and I think it’s relatively legal in a loophole way involving Spanish law. I got mine on Amizon (with Prme shipping) so can’t imagine it would be actually illegal.
Thank you for watching!
The worst part with Cameron is that while he has three different excuses he gives for why True Lies and The Abyss are not on blu-ray, it actually comes down to laziness. Years ago, a technician from the studio stated that whenever time came for them to make a new print, Jim Cameron would bring his own TV into the studio for a day, and he would spend the whole day going over what he 'thought' looked best on the TV...and therefore, what the best version of the film was. (Leaving aside that not everyone has the same TV; some had better than him, and some had worse.) As he got further into other projects like underwater exploration and Avatar, he just did not want to do that. He said it himself; something along the likes of, "I'm so busy the whole week, and that takes a whole day to go over the transfer; I just have to find 24 hours to do so." So all the stories about modern stereotypes in True Lies, and dangerous situations on the set of The Abyss, and legal rights between Fox and Disney, etc....that's all bullshit. The real reason is Cameron considers those films his 'lesser' films, and so he doesn't want to sit his ass down for a day and approve the transfers.
At one point, even Rian Johnson and Ryan Reynolds complained to him on Twitter that they couldn't watch his movies on home media! And he quickly scrambled to reassure them that he was "working on it". That's the problem with Cameron: he's always "working on it"; it's never going to happen. When other directors and actors are calling you out publicly, I think you've crossed the line. Bill Paxton died while fans were waiting for a release of True Lies, and he never got to see the film restored. I find that rather sad.
Me too, a good transfer nevertheless. Also bought On Deadly Ground from Spain. A very good looking transfer.
Whenever we tried to record a VHS rental, the copy protection would kick in and ruin the picture. I’m sure someone knew of a workaround, but we didn’t know how. I did record my favorite tv shows off the air, but back then it didn’t seem like most TV shows had a VHS release. The tricky part was pressing stop for the commercials then record again at just the right time 😂
My grandmother had a cable box with HBO and Cinemax and stuff and she would record stuff for us with no commercials and of course it was an edited on those channels. Good times
It became a real art form to work around those commercials. Lol
Most tapes had macrovision protection. Infact most DVDs and Blu-ray’s still have it. Most old VCRs didn’t support macro vision and neither did Betamax, so taping VHS rentals to beta was great back then.
Ppl now days thing they invented downloading 😂 we in the 80s we started over the air download.. from recording VHS to recording a song from the radio ..and yelling at the disc jockey who always talked over the song 😂😂
Just FYI, as someone who has been "ripping" VHS lately the Digital Screen Recorders that are out now get around the copyright protection.
Agreed, Ken. In my opinion, the kind of collectors who go out of their way to buy bootleg copies are the kind of collectors who go out of their way to double-dip on official copies.
Nope I only buy bootlegs if there isn't an official physical release or if there is never going to be aphysical release like with Disneys shows
I refuse to buy "air" that I don't own even when I pay for it. I have digital copies that came with movies that I've purchased that have disappeared from my streaming service. So NO to digital, I'll gladly watch a bootleg and buy when it comes out legitimately. Digital sucks.
As someone who only started collecting Blu Rays 3 years ago, I love the idea of bootleg Blu Rays because there is a number of Stephen King adaptions not available on Blu Ray otherwise, I think I have 1 or 2 bootlegs including Apt Pupil on Blu Ray I know there is an official Blu Ray release which would cost me over $100 for some reason, but there are also 32 Stephen King adaptions I own on DVD that I would prefer on Blu Ray, Even if they would have to be bought in bootleg format.
Awesome video Ken I 100 percent agree with you on this you made some really great points,there's so many great movies that have yet to get a blu ray release.
Harmy’s “Despecialized” edition of the original Star Wars trilogy is the only one I’ve purchased. We will probably never get an official release of the trilogy. It’s 1080i anamorphic. While not perfect, it is still amazing. The amount of work put into them is above and beyond. Highly recommended!
You are correct the unaltered theatrical versions will never get an official physical release ever again as George Lucas had it put in the contract when he sold the rights to the Franchise that they can never be released again as his Special Editions with all the changes and CGI added stuff is now the official Star Wars this is why I still own the 2006 Dvds despite also owning the 2011 remasters on Blu Ray as it is the last time the theatrical cuts will be on official physical media
There’s people that buy bootleg because they don’t wanna pay expensive official release.
Honestly I hate Bootleg because I like collecting physical media but if I go to goodwill or thrift store and see bootlegs it just ruins the day.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. For me it’s a lot of the Disney plus shows or Netflix shows. I want those on the shelf, and I’m still paying for those streaming services
I have been collecting Movies for Decades and If I can find a Legal Copy of a Movie or TV series that I want, I will buy them. However there are Many series and movies that are not being released to Physical Media, this leaves bootleg copies as the only choice left. The companies that create these products cannot complain about bootleg copies if they are unwilling to release these on Physical Media.
Can't say it's something I agree with.
I believe the bootleg does harm physically media.
I feel those that buy them will not buy again if they are released.
But, that's just me. For me I just can't see how a bootleg will be as good as "proper" BR/4K. I personally can wait fir an official release. If that never comes then so be it, there are plenty of other to buy.
People are free to do as they please, I just chose not too.
Physical media started because of rentals. The only renter left is redbox. Streaming is better for them…they think. The problem is they haven’t caught up to the boutique trend. Hell you can get new music on vinyl and cassette easier than cd sometimes. They are just missing an entire revenue stream because they think it’ll push streaming but what it really does is alienate their most loyal and repetitive customers. Heads firmly implanted…you know where.
So I took a day to think about this and here are my thoughts.
I don’t support piracy, but like yourself and so many, these production companies need to get on it. Give us a legit physical media copy of these movies.
There are millions of dollars in physical media and collectors like yourself and so many others would definitely buy it. Hell I spent $176 for a legit copy of Black X-Mas (2006), even though I could’ve got a $10 bootleg version.
So like you said it’s a scary thought, stores are making their physical media shelves smaller and smaller and it scares me. Thank you Ken for this great video.
Thank you Bill. It's very tough and there are so many ways to look at it. I don't necessarily support the piracy of films either, but if that's the only option, it kind of forces your hand.
I used to tape stuff off HBO and Cinemax all the time, and thank God I did. Many of these shows never made it to VHS or DVD and in fact some of these shows are listed as Lost Media. I would happily pick up legitimate copies of National Lampoon's Hot Flashes, Hull High, Cavemen, Misfits of Science, or The American Chronicles. Since no one is rushing to release them, I have my old VHS copies and/or burned DVDs. I have replaced my burned DVDs anytime I find a real copy of them. Gargoyles (the movie not the Disney cartoon), couldn't find it forever when I did, I bought it and ditched the burned copy. Same for Silent Partner and The Gong Show Movie. Now I do have several bootleg DVDs that I picked up at pawn shops, Goodwill, and the like. Some of them I bought because they cracked me up. For example I have a bootleg of Lilo and Stitch with an R rating. I also have multiple DVD releases and blu-rays that are legitimate releases. Will buy it on 4K as soon as it gets released. The bootleg is strictly for shits and giggles.
I actively seek uncensored, unedited Galaxy Quest with no qualms. They've had enough chances to get it right through various reissues and anniversary editions and they haven't done it yet.
Can you explain to me what the edited out?
Also Ken, thanks to you showing off that Sleepaway Camp shirt back when you got it, I have been buying so many horror themed T shirts across various websites lol. Now I have two hobbies. Movie collection and T shirt collecting.
I want 4k bootlegs for Ernest Goes to Jail (ideally a legit release with special features.) And star wars despecialized editions.
Oh man, I so agree with you.... Give me the option to get the official release on physical media and I will 100% support it ! But how can any studios complains about bootleg blu rays if they don't offer the option to get ligit discs ! I mean come on....
😂 good old VHS era. The beginning of home theater with stereo hi fi VCR. 🎉. A great times.
I got plenty of them and they are on 1080p look a lot better then dvds any day of the week. I’m very happy to have them
YOU RELEASE IT,
THEY WONT BOOTLEG IT
Simple ... People want to have
what they like
Cool video levels
I have a ton of them because no real release exists. I make my own cover art and put them right into my collection. If it gets a real release, I always buy it.. There is nothing wrong with it at all. I got them all for free, I would never pay money for a bootleg..
I have one for What About Bob?
If the studios don't put them out, I'm gonna have it how ever I can get it.
Sucks for them if they only want to keep it on streaming because I literally don't have any streaming subscriptions at all.
I saw the DiscFather attacking unnamed person too.
I think those who are against bootleg movies are hypocrites because if they stopped making physical media those same ppl would buy the bootleg ones.
I would buy bootleg movies and tv shows if the companies don’t sell them.
I would buy them legitimately once they are released.
I'd buy them legitimately as well, but until then. These bootlegs are preserving films/shows for the future in case companies never release them to physical media
@@F1989C
Yep.
Plus if we buy just the digital ones it isn’t guaranteed that we own it.
I don’t trust companies.
@@AndNowThis.. same, I really don't trust any of the current companies today💯
Gotta preserve the TV and movies we love!
Ken, I applaud YOU for not being a judgmental unrealistic asshat about this issue and for owning Bev. Hillbillies bc I love Jim Varney and since this is effectively the only non-Ernest title we MAY ever get, and now you got me wanting that one.
Bootleg movie prison😂 almost sounds like chip N Dale and that movies plot😂
I just picked up Don’t Tell Mom the Babysitter is Dead on dvd because it doesn’t have a bluray
I have the Beverly Hillbillies on DVD. I love it and hope it comes out of blu ray or 4k
Same here!
Good points. Unfortunately, I kind of agree on your thoughts. I know that I'd not hesitate to get a bootleg of Disney's DuckTales 2017 if it is never officially released.
Good points Ken! Like I said in my video, as long as you buy the official release, buy all the bootlegs you want! And I know 100% you’d buy those official releases! You get it.
I’m glad it’s being brought up though. I hope it kicks some studios in the ass to make more official copies!! 😃
Yeah, you made that caveat several times in your video lol people fightin ghosts. But you also kinda made the topic viral so in a way it's still on you that everyone's gotta cash in now with their own videos conveniently reinterpreting things 😆😉
@@evanw7538 it’s an important topic! I’m glad it’s come up and it’s being talked about. I’m glad Ken covered it as well. The studios need to see that people want to support these films, and they can’t!
@@JeffRauseo you right you right, just givin you a hard time for all the niche drama I gotta sit through now 😏 Good to get the juices flowin though, more people talking about physical media is a win regardless for sure
Dude ur like a cockroach 😂
Stopped watching your channel because of your embarrassing political takes/drama you feel the need to post under your physical media account that no one asked for. Now here you are stirring up unnecessary drama for the other better physical media accounts people like me have escaped to. You’re a wild one man lol.
FWIW, recording off of TV was legal. Making copies of those tapes was not.
I 100% agree with you Ken! If they don't support physical media or make it available, I have to find alternative ways to get my favorite show or movies.
I will but bootlegs of every film I want until there is a legitimate physical release… the vast majority are streaming exclusives so most will NEVER see a legitimate release.
I have the Roger Corman F4 on bootleg BD. That’s about the only one I can think of that I own. Also the Nickelodeon TMNT series.
I only oppose Bootlegs if the real thing exists and can be easily obtained, or if they're sold as if they're the real thing
Glad to hear you're all for bootlegs. I myself have been downloading your TH-cam videos and uploading them to Vimeo under my own name. Thanks for the free revenue.
ALRIGHT KEN! Pass the collection plate!!!
😂😂😂
Ok, still watching.... but also keep in mind, older shows and movies.... some of those will never see a physical release and if they do, they'll be edited for content and/or music rights issues. Streamers are well within their rights to pull content whenever or if a contract runs up. It's a real thing.
BOOTLEGS HAVE BEEN GOIN ON SINCE THE 1990S MAN I STILL HAVE MY HALLOWEEN 6 PRODUCERS CUT DVD BOOTLEG
I buy what I want. I like more obscure movies. If the studio wants me to buy movies, give me a physical copy.
Buying a movie from a streaming service doesn't mean you actually OWN the movie. That movie can disappear. You may not always be able to afford multiple streaming services forever. Movies and TV series disappear off streaming services.
I recorded TV series because that was all that was available back then.
To be blunt, if you buy a bootleg from the net , the film company DOES NOT GET THE MONEY, NOOOOOOO, NONE OF IT. Stay away from them!!!
Still wish they'd put the unaltered Original Trilogy on 4K. They can label is "Legends" if they want. But just put it out.
Gosh. So many of these movies you mentioned in this video I have on VHS and dvd. I am a huge VHS collector.
All great movies!
I am on board 100%. If these studios can't see that they have more than enough people that are willing to buy physical media releases, then that's their fault and anybody that says they never bought anything bootlegged or damn liars. And yes, my dad used to do the whole blockbuster/ Hollywood video rent a movie, and record it. We had two to three VCRs in our house at all times. 😅 I support whatever people want to send there money on! We had so many bootleg VHS movies that my dad used to get. I couldn't even count and if our basement didn't get flooded I would literally still own all those VHS's because we had thousands of them. But when our basement got flooded we damn near lost everything. Keep up the great work. Ken, let them know the truth.
Thanks for watching Nick!
I did that back in the day made my own movies on vhs did all the time did with vinyl record's, cds etc...
There so many movies to collect, literally tenths of thousands. I just dont care about movies like barberian, prey or encino man getting blu-rays or 4ks.
Very true.
If there is no official release of a movie I really like I will buy bootleg copy .
I would like a psychical copy of the new Texas chainsaw massacre....
Naw, i care about Picture & Sound too much to get Bootlegs😂😂
100% agree, Ken.
The reason why the critics are wrong can be summed up in a single word:
Disney.
If its not released on bluray, how can you get a bluray quality transfer on a copied disc? Where did they get the transfer from? Are you sure its not just a dvd rip put in a bluray case?
Thankfully we have Prey, The Abyss, and True Lies on 4K now. Just curious, what do you do with your bootleg blu rays once you buy the official versions? Do you toss them in the trash or just give them to someone? I don't think you could give those to thrift stores or Goodwills.
I loved Grandma's Boy!
I agree with everything you said Ken! I have bootlegs myself if the damn studios won’t give us a physical copies and someone is selling a bootleg I’m going to pick it up. If the films do get an actual physical release I’ll 100% buy it! No judgement on anyone who does or does not buy bootlegs here
But how is the quality of True Lies and The Abyss on these bootleg blurays? Did they just upscale them from the DVD sources?
Ken, theres a few Prey blu-rays available from Sri-Lanka
I think its ok to have a bootleg if the studio doesn't have their own physical copy available but i feel if you have a bootleg and the studio releases an official copy, you should buy the studios release to support everyone involved. I personally wouldn't buy bootlegs and support people that have no involvement in the production. My 2 cents spent
The only ones I have is The Despecialized Editions of the Original Star Wars trilogy because it's the only way to watch them.
I buy bootleg blu-rays and DVDs all the time Ken it's a good way to see a movie to see if I like it or not and if I like it then I'll buy the actual copy or maybe just keep the bootleg LoL 😆 I have Barbarian on DVD
If they can't be bothered to release an official blu ray then tough. I'm happy to have bootlegs if there is no other option.
Wheres your morals Andy?
Somebody has probably already mentioned this but just in case… recording things off of cable or the air with a VCR and keeping them was not (and still is not) illegal.
Isn't it the same with streaming, if you aren't going to be sharing to anyone else anyway, because if not then i'd be very curious to know how PlayOn is able to get away with it.
Hocus Pocus 2 is streaming only
What's the difference between a bootleg and just pirating ? I don't judge anyone for what they do when it comes to media especially with the way hollywood and celebrities have been treating fans
I had an Aunt and Uncle who decided to save money by canceling their cable but before they did they spent a couple months both them and my cousins were constantly recording movies tv shows and even MTV
I just ordered 2 shows that don’t exist physically - they’ve only ever been streaming with no release in sight. I feel the same, I’d buy them the moment they came out officially and would rather not buy boots, but what choice do I have?
There are some I've thought of getting but worry about buying them online I doubt the studios would go after a buying for a movie or tv show here or there they would probably just shut down the website.
@@jasona5283 I get mine on eBay, so don’t worry too much about it being shut down! haha
If a studio, has no intention of releasing a physical media version of a film or series, I have ZERO problem with quality bootlegs being produced. I loved the film HUSH on Netflix. It was release SEVEN years ago, and there has been no mention of ever releasing a PM version. I WANT this in my collection so, if I can grab a competently produced boot, so be it. Jeff’s argument, that I should “support” Di$ney, by subscribing to D+, my answer is: NOPE. It’s quite frankly never going to happen. I won’t support a studio, who actively destroyed evergreen franchises, and basically flips-off the fanbase.
What other options do we have if studios won't release?
Fright Night Part 2 is the biggest example of this. It may never ever get a Blu-ray release so your damn straight I paid for a bootleg of it and outside of the case you can’t even tell it’s a fake because it looks that good. I know Cinemuseum announced they were trying to put it out but with those guys you never know what you’re gonna get. They take years to put stuff out and will only produce like 100 copies each and charge ridiculous amounts of cash for them. Another example is Freddy’s Nightmares. I love that show but I know damn well it’s never getting a legit good release so I purchased a great looking bootleg copy of the entire series.
I don’t own any bootleg blu rays but back in the dvd era I had plenty lol I just no longer go that route. If it’s not on disc or streaming I just don’t worry about it anymore. There are some things Films at home says I don’t agree with but I actually agree with him that it’s not a good thing to give money to someone who made a bootleg and had nothing to do with the production of the movie and it just feels kinda wrong to be honest. But of course that’s just my opinion.
I'm a massive Star Wars fan & I have a Disney plus subscription and got bootlegs of the Star Wars shows (Mandalorian, Clone Wars season 7 etc..). The way i see it i am supporting the creators but paying someone to provide me with a physical copy. Personally i can't see the greedy Disney company ever putting them out on a physical media so sadly to complete my collection i have to resort to bootlegs.
Bootleg of psychical media has been going since the 80's honestly it's not hard thing to do, doing it for yourself is one thing selling it is a whole other world, just know selling it is illegal....
You have a very sensible take on this topic. I dont even know why this is an issue. If someone buys a bootleg, it is not anyone else's business. Its a bit presumptuous to accuse someone for having a bootleg blu ray. I dont have any bootlegs. But for movies without a blu ray release, i get why some people may buy a bootleg. Prey's lack of physical release for example, is very frustrating. Bottom line, if i had a bootleg, I'd know its a stain on my collection. But its a personal decision. Its silly to pass judgement on someone else. Noone prefers a bootleg to an official.
Honestly, i sometimes think a streaming service's decision not to release physical is a way to try to coerce people to continue their streaming subscription.
I have a Blu-ray DVD of True Lies and I actually love it 😀 😄 It's the Spanish packaging 📦 edition of it but it has a English 5.1 Audio track on it and it sounds Spectacular on my floor speakers 🔊 and the picture is cool as well. Now I'm waiting on the 4k of it but I'm still keeping this Blu-ray of True Lies 👊👊📽
Help! Please tell me where I can get a Blu-ray bootleg of Nate and Hayes! No digital either.
Totally agree with you!
Finding it hard to find them what is the best way to find them?
I’m surprised arrow hasn’t got the rights for barbarian on 4K if Disney don’t care, it would be so fitting for a big box arrow release
It would be nice if Disney started to license their stuff.
Auntie & Granny levels sound like legends.
They were!
Bootlegs flood the market with fake items that create opportunities for scammers to trick people who are buying rare or out of print items into buying fake crap. Bootlegs have basically destroyed retro game cartridge collecting as it has become near impossible to sus out real carts. Overall it’s a net negative, but if you want to spend your money on stolen art, go for it.
I agree with you this is not a cut and dry argument. And streaming for large parts of the Great Nation is still not a truly viable option given the weak suave bandwidth we have as a whole.
I won't ever shame a collector for having the bootleg. I might have an issue with the bootleggers, depending on what it is they are bootlegging and how they are doing business. I fall into the availability camp. If it doesn't have a legit release it is OK to purchase a bootleg. Despecialized versions of the Star Wars movies on bluray are an example.
Agree with you Ken! Seems silly that I'm supposed to wait a decade for James Cameron to finally approve a True Lies or The Abyss transfer. Those blurays have been "coming soon" for 6-7 years now. Cameron's color timing guy posted info about The Abyss transfer in 2018.
When I was a kid I would get the 6 hour vhs tapes and record off hbo.
Hell yeah brother
I loved your comment on recording tv shows on vhs... I still have a collection of those. It also got me into buying review screeners and emmy nom discs of shows that have no release yet, I still have those in my collection. I will buy boots of stuff I really want in my collection, but will replace when a real release comes available. And to your point of creators wanting their stuff, I think of the poor directors of Batgirl that tried to save some of their work but were locked out.
Before Ebay came about, I used to rent my wrestling VHS's from the video store and record them to another VHS. I still have most of them lol