What do you guys think about this Panasonic all-in-one lens? Who wants to see a pancake lens from Panasonic next? And what about a compact L-mount camera?
this is gone be my next travel lens for sure! along with my sigma 16-28mm and a fast prime. I`d also love to see a compact L-mount camera, I`m not getting really used to the nikon zf, although it is a beautiful camera
It looks to me like Panasonic is basically cannibalising m4/3 with these ultra compact offerings. If they ever make a body smaller than the S5, it's pretty much game over for m4/3 at that point.
Yeah, Chris Nicholls (who is up his own ass) should have been delighted to get a photo with Richard, instead of thinking he is Tom Hanks being bombarded for a nuisance selfie.😮
Thanks for your thorough review! The size and weight is excellent. The aperture range is acceptable for a superzoom. Add a 14-28mm or similar and a f1.8 prime for portraits/ low light and you have a very versatile enthusiast kit.
thanks for watching. Yes i don't mind the aperture range because it's all-in-one lens afterall. Would be great for travel, even everyday would work because it's only marginally heavier than the 20-60 kit lens.
That defeats the purpose of an all-in-one travel lens. You could do portraits at telephoto end close up with a nice background and not need UWA. The idea is to not need lens changes. I've ordered 24-105 and 70-300 not as a travel kit but as a system however I'll be travelling with them no doubt. I know the 28-200 is now available if I do need it. 😊
@@nocturnal1970 I’d view the term ‘all in one’ as a non-exclusive description. The key for me is it is small enough and light enough to be a fantastic travel zoom and if you have the S5/II/IIX then you can readily add to the lens collection and have a very versatile set up covering 14-200mm and 500mm portraits which is still relatively light (at under about 1.05kg for the 3 lenses). The fact the new 28-200mm has macro is a big benefit adding to its use ability and of course bokeh potential where appropriate. Yes it lacks 24-28mm where some other super zooms have it but that is where the 14-28mm (or 16-28mm) comes to the rescue… if you need it.
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You are probably the most detailed reviewer on TH-cam right up there with Gerald Undone. I love watching your content, as I am a Lumix user as well. Keep up the good work!
Thanks @PanasonicAustralia ! Oh our trip to Japan and Taiwan is still many months away! But yeah I can't wait to take some street and landscape photos using this lens and my S5II in some Asia cities again!
Excellent review. As always : very complete! I like a lot how you bring detailed information like your graph for apertures variation with focals or your perspective illustration. 👍🏻
I wasn’t interested when I saw the f/4-7.1. It seems to not compare favorably to the Tamron 28-200 for Sony E (the Tamron is f/4.5 up to 113mm) but after seeing the size comparisons here, and taking into consider what I usually shoot with an all-in-one zoom, I think the OIS and small size of the Lumix might actually be more appealing to me.
yes i didn't find the 7.1 at tele end matters too much to be honest. Especially with the full frame camera's high ISO performance + great image stabilisation. The only real negative impact is autofocus at the tele end under low light is not really the best.
@@TheRealRichardWongThat's one of the big advantages of the 70-300 f4.5-5.6 besides the extra reach. The 24-200 is fine for daytime and especially sunny skies.
A fabulous comprehensive review Richard and thank you. I ordered the 24-105 f4 and 70-300 f4.5-5.6 with the S5ii. Panasonic have achieved a brilliant 28-200 lens here, it's around 1kg lighter and smaller to carry on 25km mountain hikes but the 24mm and especially 300mm are necessary and the image quality the 24-105 & 70-300 I've seen elsewhere from 24MP downloads from flickr are really impressive. Both 24-105 & 70-300 have 0.5x macro and especially 0.5x macro at 300mm is much more useful than 28mm. Both have faster aperture and other advantages, the 70-300 is more like 2/3 stop faster through 70-200 rather than 1/2 so it's distinct enough. The 24-105 is constant f4 has better image quality than 20-60 f3.5-f5.6, 24mm is plenty wide for me, 28mm mostly good also. But if portability is a must the 28-200 is an absolute winner. This on a S5ii for a FF weighing about 1.2kg is an amazing feat. The parfocal and near zero focus breathing is amazing also as if it couldn't already become more amazing. The 24-105 and 70-300 combo being more advantageous for lower light and AF performance, nicer bokeh, sunstars on 70-300 not needing to go into deep diffraction territory. 70-300 also better for BIF, sports and action so there are plenty of compromises. I don't mind carrying two bigger lenses and 1kg more but more lens changes are never good. With the 24-105 vs 20-60 there is more latitude though so less lens changes. Most hikes I'll probably take the 24-105 or the 70-300 and adopt the photography for that day. 😊
@@TheRealRichardWong That's nothing, used to 12kg backpack for 25km hikes in the mountains, snow, rain, wind in Ireland. Those complaining that a 70-300 is too heavy are wimps 😆 I used to carry a Pentax 300mm f4.5 prime which weighed more so for me it is lightweight.
Finally, a good walking around and travel lens for S mount. Too bad about the F4+, but I like the weight/range. I also like the macro capabilities. Thanks.
Your love for these lenses makes sense. I have a variety of lenses, but I find myself using the 12-100mm f/4 pro most often. It's just so versatile. The constant aperture helps, also.
Great review, Richard! I'm glad to see your f number graph has a logarithmic y-axis. However, there is no point in mentioning that all lenses get softer at high f numbers, because ALL lenses do that. In fact, that happens even if there is no lens at all and you close the iris.
Hey Dando, thanks for watching and your feedback. Re no point in mentioning all lenses get soft at higher f numbers, you are absolutely right it happens to all lenses. People with lot of knowledge like yourself would know that. However since my video is watched by many beginners as well who don't really know much about photography , how aperture/ camera settings would affect their image, so I want to mention it to let them aware. It's always a challenge when I'm creating video as I need to consider how can I present the results and information to a wide range of audience, so the more experienced photographers like yourself would found it useful, but beginners also can benefit from watching it and not completely lost. Hope you can understand.
I upgraded to the Lumix S5ii from the Lumix G9 and I missed the 14 to 140mm, f3.5 - 5.6 M43 zoom for that camera which was equivalent to a 28 to 280 mm zoom on full frame. That f stop range is about equivalent to this new full-frame lens on the old m43 sensor. I think this is a great travel lens that I have been missing on the S5ii. I ended up using that old m43 lens quite a bit because of its portability and ease of use. I had other lenses that I could turn to for more bokeh or depth of field. But it was great for traveling light! I think I'll end up getting this lens in my kit and probably using it more than I would think. Thanks for the thorough review!
I pre-ordered a month ago when it was supposed to be released in late April. Any word on a new release date? I'd love to have it for a trip to Europe I'm taking in early June.
I think the size of this lens with the Sigma fp will make a great combination for a lightweight travel setup. The optical stabilization will be very helpful for the lack of IBIS on the Sigma fp too.
4:25 ~75-80mm at f/5.6 -- making the DOF equal or exceed the comparably-sized classic Olympus pro-zoom 12-40mmF2.8 across the same range (albeit from m4/3 "14mm"). Of course, the rendition is unlikely to be as sophisticated due to its extreme parameters and less central role in the line-up, but for those concerned about the tight aperture, I think it puts it in perspective. 28-200mm = 413g, D77.3mm x L93.4mm 12-40mmF2.8 = 382g, D70mm x L84mm
The size and weight is remarkable, wow ! How is it compared to the Olympus MFT 12-100/4 ? A comparison especially of the image quality and image stabilization would be great. Thanks for review, keep going...
I like the fact that Panasonic has created a unique lens with broad appeal. I don’t believe there is anything else quite like it. Smart move on their part. I want it. Thanks for this comprehensive review.
I think the better lens combo would be the 28-200 with the 24mm. That would get you a little wider and allow for low-light, indoor stuff. You still have a portrait lens in that you can use the 28-200mm for that outside.
One of the best (and most detailed) reviews on this lens I've seen. I agree that it would be nice to have it start around 20 or maybe even 24mm but perhaps optically that's not possible especially at this price point. I think what Panasonic are doing is to try and give 'semi-pro' photo and video operators an option to have two lenses that fill the 14-200 range and that's what the combination of the 14-28 + 28-200 now does very nicely (and of course if you shoot in APS-C mode you get a 21mm - 300mm range). Thanks so much Richard. Always love watching your reviews.
@@TheRealRichardWong You're most welcome. I'm sure I'm not alone in appreciating all the hard work you do and it is very helpful when trying to decide on what gear to get.
Thorough and a pleasure as always, Richard. Thanks Wasn't that interested when it popped up on the roadmap due to the 28mm - yet same as with the 100 2.8 Macro - the compact form factor is a stunner. The real benchmark for superzooms is the Oly 12-100 f4, with most FF lenses in that category being heavier and optically inferior on the long end while giving better separation on the wide end. Oly also renders busy foreground oof areas gorgeous, an asset few lenses possess overall. No wonder - as it's the only premium lens in the category. Overall the 28 200 S seems to be a compelling choice by being the most different to all the others... --- Compact or pancake would only make sense to me if there are several offerings in that category PLUS a body other than the Sigma fp. Unfortunately L mount just has the 45mm 2.8 so far, which is optically beautiful - but only on the outside. ;) Likewise Sony A7CR + metal primes + plenty of other compact offerings incl Apsc (due to crop potential of the R sensor) seems hard to touch... Pana should focus on MFT compact lineup imo as there is a lot more potential left untouched for what seems like a decade. A7C is still huge compared to GX880 or GM1/5... but of course no FF money in that market. 1000$/€ would already be a lot for a premium MFT compact, so probably not gonna happen. Cheers, Marius
Marius, i think a problem with compact MFT is that, as the cameras are having more and more advanced features, better video recording options, higher burst rate, higher resolution sensor.. it really require more powerful hardware, more memory, better gyro sensor, bigger battery...etc to deliver these features. Which makes it impossible to go back to the GM1 size anymore. While some may say they are happy with less features, the expectation of the public has increased so much over the years so it's really hard to deliver a barebone camera and expect more than a handful people will buy it. Also if releasing such camera with minimal features, then the price may have to be very low which makes it financially suicidal. (low volume + low margin) At least that's what i feel the problem is with releasing a small MFT camera these days.. But I hope Panasonic or OM System will prove me wrong and surprise us!
Another great video Richard. Tells me all I need to know to make a buying decision. It looks like a fantastic design that delivers an excellent one lens proposition. The IQ looks more than good enough and the size and weight are superb. But I’d really hoped for 24mm at the wide end. I find I use my 24-105 for most of my shooting and the 24 end gets a lot of use. I’m not wanting buy this and find myself swapping it all the time for the 14-28.
hey Paul, thanks for watching. Yes i agree. i wish it's 24mm at the wide end (or even better 20mm). But it's hard to create a perfect lens for everyone , especially when you have size/price/other design constraints
Thanks for the excellent review as always! Although, with such a long zoom range, seeing the sharpness test on the middle of the range will be great as well, seeing as those will be the range we'll use a lot. This is definitely an interesting lens and one that I'm excited to add into my travel kit. I don't particularly likes 24mm, so the start at 28mm is fine for me (though I do like the wider 20mm from 20-60mm kit). I'll probably completing my kit with 14-28mm, 28-200mm, 50mm and 100mm which gives me all the focal lengths I needed and everything is relatively compact.
Imagine combining this lens with the crop-zoom feature of Sigma's fp L. An 830g set which can film 1080p from 28 - 1000mm. I'd also like to try it with the TL2 as a 42-300mm.
Hi Richard great video as always! You are one of the few if not the only one who really shows the technical aspects of lenses and cameras. Your reviews deserve to be seen because they perfectly show all the technical aspects that are really interesting. Is there a possibility that Panasonic makes a good converter to use l-mount lenses also on micro 4/3? I would really like to be able to use them with stabilization and autofocus. By the way, the review of the Leica 35-100? no one has made it yet, if no one looks at it why would anyone buy a copy? why doesn't lumix let anyone test it? It's not good? thanks, see you soon
hi Michele! Thanks for watching! Re converter for L-mount -> m43, unfortunately the flange distance difference is only 0.75cm, so it's extremely difficult to create an adaptor especially one with electronic contacts, AF support..etc Re the Leica 35-100, my understanding is that the optics design is the same as the previous version (maybe some very minor changes). so in terms of optical performance it should be the same or almost the same as the last version.
This seems like a very good lens! I also really like wide lenses and I also want a pancake lens for L Mount already. Currently have the 18mm F1.8 and the 20-60mm.
very in-depth review, thanks, and just touched all the points I've got in mind... Having a 70-300 (and a 50 1.8), I am in the process of deciding whether to keep it and just go for the 20-60 so to keep budget low and have a "travel lens", or if go full throttle towards the 28-200 and just keep the 50 for portraits/low light stuff :) In the end I've lived with the 28 for ages (with the GR) for street, I like 50 for portraits and I'll be covering the rest with the 28-200... the only concerns is autofocus at max zoom, since I do some sport photos and sometimes light conditions are far from perfect (that's why I got the 70-300 in the first place). @TheRealRichardWong, btw whith which set did you ended up with in the family trip? :)
Hi there, thanks for watching! My family trip hasn't happen yet. But I took the 28-200for my last trip to attend the s9 launch in Japan, and I really enjoyed that
@@Bayonet1809UWA doesn't need as much O.I.S though, reciprocal rule should work well along with modern ISO it is not an issue, and certainly not on Lumix bodies.
Its very tempting lens for me to switch, but here in the Netherlands its €1000, and that is to much for me. However as a kit lens in a kit with good discount.. and its hard to resist.
It's good to have more choices. Panasonic is doing well offering portable and lightweight lenses. I like the 70-300, so I will not get the 28-200. I am looking forward for the announced Ultra Telezoom (could replace my Sigma 150-600mm DG DN).
I've changed my mind and bought this lens. This kind of flexbility is so good with this lens. So, I am happy with this lens and the results I get from it.
Richard, another great in-depth and thorough review. W.r.t. additional lens selection set-ups many people including myself will already have the 20-60mm as the kit lens that came with the camera. So, my thinking is to go for a 3 lens set-up 14-28mm, 20-60mm & 70-300mm to cover every eventuality. However, the 28-200mm could be the idea single lens walk around lens.
Thanks Spidey! Yes if you already have the 20-60, what you said make sense. But I'm guessing in the future, Panasonic would introduce this as part of the camera kit? So people would buy that instead of the 20-60
Richard, thanks for the great review!! Yes, it is a tough choice between the two zooms sets. In my older age, less is more. So for me, I would go with the 14-28mm and 28-200mm. Thanks for the insightful analysis!!
a really well done and comprehensive review Richard! A good product with few, necessary, compromises: good Pana engineers!...for me unfortunately a good All in One travel lens MUST start from 24mm to have a "wide" perspective ( 24-180mm? :-)..Thanks❤
Thanks Richard! You answered my questions about this lens. I just got the Lumix s5ii with 20x60! Just went to a boats show and had to video close range stuff for sure! Wish my lens had iOS. I have to switch to crop sensor when I use ibis to avoid rolling shutter but then things are cropped in too much. Time to get a gimbal I think so I can use full sensor for the wide angle. What do you think?
Have you checkout the new FW3.0 for S5II, the new E-Stab high is pretty amazing at miniming camera shake/warping effect, I've made a video. The down side is, it does intoduce a 1.4x crop so you have the same not wide enough problem. Gimbal is really effective at minimising camera shake but if you are concerned about rolling shutter, it doesn't make any difference to that though. Also gimbal takes time to learn and setup everytime you want to use it.. so it is not really ideal for a lot of applications.
@@TheRealRichardWong Richard thanks for getting back to me! So yes I just did the download. I see it on the camera. Everything is there. I will test it out tomorrow. I don't think the crop will be to bad and hopefully no rolling shutter! ROCKOOOOON!
Thanks Richard, a really thorough review! I already have the 14-28, 20-60, 24-105 and 70-300 lenses, so I don't really need the new 28-200. But! I would still like to get one because this would be the ideal lens if I just go out for a walkaround and want to take nothing else.
Hi Richard great video! Now I have to decide whether to keep my 20-60mm and buy the 70-300mm or just buy 28-200mm... I shoot mainly photos while travelling :)
Excellent review, but I don't think you made my decision-making process any easier! Lol... I currently have the 20-60 kit lens and the 50mm 1.8. I just need a decent zoom and was considering either the 28-200 or the 70-300. I travel a lot, so the all-in-one sounds appealing, but i also shoot kids' sports and auto racing. So I think I'm leaning more 70-300....such a tough decision!😂
Great review as always but too limiting of an option for me. Should've been $1100, 24mm & f5.6 on the far end, IMO. Impressive that it's been created as small as it is but seems to me that the goal of matching the S Primes form factor kind of handicapped this lens. Again, IMO. At least Lumix is staying productive in the space so no complaint though I'll pass on this one.
Can I use the Lumix S 28-200mm f/4-7.1 Macro OIS on the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K? I'm thinking about buying a lens, but I'm worried because there aren't any users who use it.
I haven't try that, but in theory you should be able to. I know for sure this lens can be used on Leica SL2/3 with no problem. So if Blackmagic implement their camera properly and follow the L-mount standard, i don't see why not.
Hey Richard, i have s5 ii and sigma 105 macro plus sigma 16-28mm. Both are not perfect for my exact use case . I do close up semi macro food photography, what prime lens would you buy to get the best sharpest photos instead of the ones i have ? thanks
your two Sigma lenses are really sharp. I personally would start with the focal length first rather than picking "the sharpnest" lens as it may not be the focal length you like to shoot with
Id love this lens, but the biggest drawback for me is the price at $900 on bh right now. Not saying it's not worth it but for what would be like a niche lens (for taking on trips) for me, it's pretty pricey.
Thank you for the great review. I saw your dpreview forum post and came here to suggest 1:How smoothly the lens transition when zooming in and out of 28mm while on (to) x0.5 macro territory? 2: Can older bodies benefit from the parfocal quality of this lens when zooming? (If dfd can work to retain the focus as good). Thanks in advance!
hi there, 1. Sorry i'm not sure if i understand your question. If you can explain a bit more what you want to do, want me to test, I would try to do that :) 2. Yes, i just tested with the original S5, the parfocal still works.
wow thanks a lot! What I meant to ask you to do was basically the same test except it's when Macro-shooting (around closest focusing on 28mm, transitioning both in and out of the) focusing distance to see if the parfocal quality still remains.@@TheRealRichardWong
@@ほしイカだぃぉう I can't test at 28mm focal length because if i focus at minimum focus distance, the lens physically cannot focus when I zoom in. But I did a test, I focused at close to minimum focus distance at 200mm focal length, then i zoom out, and the parfocal still seem to be true. (or close enough that I cannot notice it's not from my quick test)
Thanks again! That's promising. Great capture of the seagull btw. It looks sharper than any of the handy telephoto of eruivalent weight. Reason to switch, more than likely yes! keep up the good work thanks again@@TheRealRichardWong
Seems like a very decent lightweight lens, especially well matched with the 14-28, but the system is missing a small (GX9 style) L-mount body to be truly travel friendly. And no, the Sigma FP doesn't count (no built-in viewfinder and no IBIS).
@@TheRealRichardWong Sigma FP is smaller than GX9, so GX9 size is certainly possible with an L-mount. The Sony A7c II is also the same height and width as the GX9, so a full-frame IBIS mechanism should be possible too. Although I would be fine with GX8 size too, and even a bit thicker to fit the larger battery if necessary (like the A7C II).
@@TheRealRichardWong Indeed, the 24-105 is quite heavy. Today again I experienced during a hike that the 28-70 is not wide enough. Should have bring my 20-60 over the 28-70. We are backpacking in Asia and every gram en cm counts…
At 200mm, it's f/7.1. Autofocus would suffer under low light, this is one of the biggest limitation of a travel zoom lens. You need to find a bright(er) target for it to AF successfully. It's a limitation of autofocus under low light with slower lens.
@@TheRealRichardWong also when cloudy sky 200 AF is lost need go back to 150, than pickup AF and zoom to 200. Clear sky, is okee but that do all lenses.
the sony rx10iv has better image quality than full frame cameras with approx 24-200mm zoom lens attached. has this lens managed to break that barrier and actually bring increased image quality?
For me it hasn't got better image quality. You can't push the iso anywhere near and it lacks the dynamic range. It sucks at anything over 1000 iso and the lens isn't as sharp as these full frame and M43 superzooms like the Olympus 12-100 and Z24-200. Ok it wins at 600mm fov and it's a great camera but the image quality isn't as good in the short to medium range. With the Z7 you can crop a lot and still have far better iq . I love bridge cameras but the iq does lack in comparison.
Yes, I would like to see a couple of Panasonic pancake lenses similar to the two Nikon (40mm f/2 and 28mm f/2.8) lenses. And I like the size & grip of my S5II over my X-H2.
There is no limit to my disappointment. I was waiting for a lens like the Tamron 35-150mm f/2.8-4 Di VC OSD Canon EF. What does Panasonic produce as a result? As I understand it, the development of the PRO version has reached an impasse, you can not wait for the continuation of the series.Well, Panasonic, I'm going to buy a Tamron 35-150mm Canon EF and put it through an adapter, so obviously it will be better. How can you talk about the minimum weight of the lens when buying a full-frame camera? If there is a struggle for weight, then you can buy 4/3 with a better lens and get a better result. And buy a cool full-frame camera to hang lenses of this kind. What's the point?
Everything, at the extremes, is a compromise, when attempting to get, an ‘all a-rounder’ anything, lens related. This is especially true, when the manufacture is attempting to reduce size and weight. Professionals are not choosing this lens for paid shoots. They are using lenses, they own or rent, that are better suited for the specific shoot. Panasonic didn’t build this lens with the professional on mind. Unless the professional, is going on vacation, and wants to bring one lens. It a great lens choice for the S5 or S9 series of cameras.
Great lens for photographers! You're an amazing reviewer. As a videographer, I would've loved a FF 20-120mm F4 to replace the staple 24-105mm F4 while keeping the same size and resolution. A perfect blend of 20-60 and 24-105... but with that constant aperture important for video work. DSLR 24-105mm lens designs are almost 20 years old ( Canon 2005), I hope that with current tech and L-mount it's possible to push that constant F4 range a bit more :-) 20-120 f4 or 18-135 f4? No bigger than 77mm filter of course.
All zoom lenses that do not have the same fixed aperture throughout the range are completely amateur and at best are what they call kit lenses. I WONDER, 1 year after the release of the s5ii/s5iix, THIS LENS is recommended by Panasonic? Why? The s5ii/s5iix are so "amateur" cameras and such lenses are needed to attract new customers? What a disappointment....
What do you guys think about this Panasonic all-in-one lens? Who wants to see a pancake lens from Panasonic next? And what about a compact L-mount camera?
this is gone be my next travel lens for sure! along with my sigma 16-28mm and a fast prime. I`d also love to see a compact L-mount camera, I`m not getting really used to the nikon zf, although it is a beautiful camera
yes this lens will pair perfectly with the Sigma 16-28!
I'd like to see a more compact L-mount body. The size of the 28-200 is great, but the S5 II is about the same size as my R6, and it weighs more.
How does it compare to LUMIX 24-100 f/4 for landscape photography?
It looks to me like Panasonic is basically cannibalising m4/3 with these ultra compact offerings. If they ever make a body smaller than the S5, it's pretty much game over for m4/3 at that point.
As always, super thorough and well thought-out review, and your audio is sounding crispy 🔥
oh thank you so much Josh!! haha yes my audio is finally getting there!
You are simply the best reviewer period!
Yeah, Chris Nicholls (who is up his own ass) should have been delighted to get a photo with Richard, instead of thinking he is Tom Hanks being bombarded for a nuisance selfie.😮
oh you are too kind Carsten!
Thanks for your thorough review! The size and weight is excellent. The aperture range is acceptable for a superzoom. Add a 14-28mm or similar and a f1.8 prime for portraits/ low light and you have a very versatile enthusiast kit.
thanks for watching. Yes i don't mind the aperture range because it's all-in-one lens afterall. Would be great for travel, even everyday would work because it's only marginally heavier than the 20-60 kit lens.
That defeats the purpose of an all-in-one travel lens. You could do portraits at telephoto end close up with a nice background and not need UWA. The idea is to not need lens changes. I've ordered 24-105 and 70-300 not as a travel kit but as a system however I'll be travelling with them no doubt. I know the 28-200 is now available if I do need it. 😊
@@nocturnal1970 I’d view the term ‘all in one’ as a non-exclusive description.
The key for me is it is small enough and light enough to be a fantastic travel zoom and if you have the S5/II/IIX then you can readily add to the lens collection and have a very versatile set up covering 14-200mm and 500mm portraits which is still relatively light (at under about 1.05kg for the 3 lenses).
The fact the new 28-200mm has macro is a big benefit adding to its use ability and of course bokeh potential where appropriate.
Yes it lacks 24-28mm where some other super zooms have it but that is where the 14-28mm (or 16-28mm) comes to the rescue… if you need it.
The new 18-40 would be a nice addition
Many conduct tests on TH-cam, but when I found your channel, I realized who does things thoroughly and, in my opinion, the best. Thank you for your dedication, and keep growing, you deserve it!. Many conduct tests on TH-cam, but when I found your channel, I realized who does things thoroughly and, in my opinion, the best. Thank you for your dedication, and keep growing, you deserve it.
thank you so much Peter!
You are probably the most detailed reviewer on TH-cam right up there with Gerald Undone. I love watching your content, as I am a Lumix user as well. Keep up the good work!
I wish I'm half as good as Gerald Undone, but thank you so much for your kind words! 🥰🥰🥰
Here we go! Saw it earlier today on 43rumors, but glad to be able to get the detailed analysis from you first
Thanks Eric! Hope you enjoyed the review
Thanks as always for your detailed analysis Richard. Hope to see some great shots from your Japan and Taiwan trip with this lens soon!
Thanks @PanasonicAustralia ! Oh our trip to Japan and Taiwan is still many months away! But yeah I can't wait to take some street and landscape photos using this lens and my S5II in some Asia cities again!
This lens seems like pretty good with video!
Excellent review. As always : very complete! I like a lot how you bring detailed information like your graph for apertures variation with focals or your perspective illustration.
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thank you very much :)
Wow, thank you so much. This was the most complete review of a lens that I have ever seen on the TH-cam.
I wasn’t interested when I saw the f/4-7.1.
It seems to not compare favorably to the Tamron 28-200 for Sony E (the Tamron is f/4.5 up to 113mm) but after seeing the size comparisons here, and taking into consider what I usually shoot with an all-in-one zoom, I think the OIS and small size of the Lumix might actually be more appealing to me.
yes i didn't find the 7.1 at tele end matters too much to be honest. Especially with the full frame camera's high ISO performance + great image stabilisation. The only real negative impact is autofocus at the tele end under low light is not really the best.
@@TheRealRichardWongThat's one of the big advantages of the 70-300 f4.5-5.6 besides the extra reach. The 24-200 is fine for daytime and especially sunny skies.
Thank you Richard for a most comprehensive, informative and user-friendly review -
Thank you for your support!
Thank you very much for this excellent detailed review, Richard!
A fabulous comprehensive review Richard and thank you.
I ordered the 24-105 f4 and 70-300 f4.5-5.6 with the S5ii.
Panasonic have achieved a brilliant 28-200 lens here, it's around 1kg lighter and smaller to carry on 25km mountain hikes but the 24mm and especially 300mm are necessary and the image quality the 24-105 & 70-300 I've seen elsewhere from 24MP downloads from flickr are really impressive.
Both 24-105 & 70-300 have 0.5x macro and especially 0.5x macro at 300mm is much more useful than 28mm. Both have faster aperture and other advantages, the 70-300 is more like 2/3 stop faster through 70-200 rather than 1/2 so it's distinct enough. The 24-105 is constant f4 has better image quality than 20-60 f3.5-f5.6, 24mm is plenty wide for me, 28mm mostly good also.
But if portability is a must the 28-200 is an absolute winner. This on a S5ii for a FF weighing about 1.2kg is an amazing feat. The parfocal and near zero focus breathing is amazing also as if it couldn't already become more amazing.
The 24-105 and 70-300 combo being more advantageous for lower light and AF performance, nicer bokeh, sunstars on 70-300 not needing to go into deep diffraction territory. 70-300 also better for BIF, sports and action so there are plenty of compromises.
I don't mind carrying two bigger lenses and 1kg more but more lens changes are never good. With the 24-105 vs 20-60 there is more latitude though so less lens changes.
Most hikes I'll probably take the 24-105 or the 70-300 and adopt the photography for that day. 😊
You are a strong man!! taking the 24-105 + 70-300 for hikes!
@@TheRealRichardWong That's nothing, used to 12kg backpack for 25km hikes in the mountains, snow, rain, wind in Ireland. Those complaining that a 70-300 is too heavy are wimps 😆 I used to carry a Pentax 300mm f4.5 prime which weighed more so for me it is lightweight.
Finally, a good walking around and travel lens for S mount. Too bad about the F4+, but I like the weight/range. I also like the macro capabilities. Thanks.
Your love for these lenses makes sense. I have a variety of lenses, but I find myself using the 12-100mm f/4 pro most often. It's just so versatile. The constant aperture helps, also.
Great review, Richard! I'm glad to see your f number graph has a logarithmic y-axis.
However, there is no point in mentioning that all lenses get softer at high f numbers, because ALL lenses do that. In fact, that happens even if there is no lens at all and you close the iris.
Hey Dando, thanks for watching and your feedback. Re no point in mentioning all lenses get soft at higher f numbers, you are absolutely right it happens to all lenses. People with lot of knowledge like yourself would know that. However since my video is watched by many beginners as well who don't really know much about photography , how aperture/ camera settings would affect their image, so I want to mention it to let them aware.
It's always a challenge when I'm creating video as I need to consider how can I present the results and information to a wide range of audience, so the more experienced photographers like yourself would found it useful, but beginners also can benefit from watching it and not completely lost.
Hope you can understand.
I upgraded to the Lumix S5ii from the Lumix G9 and I missed the 14 to 140mm, f3.5 - 5.6 M43 zoom for that camera which was equivalent to a 28 to 280 mm zoom on full frame. That f stop range is about equivalent to this new full-frame lens on the old m43 sensor. I think this is a great travel lens that I have been missing on the S5ii. I ended up using that old m43 lens quite a bit because of its portability and ease of use. I had other lenses that I could turn to for more bokeh or depth of field. But it was great for traveling light! I think I'll end up getting this lens in my kit and probably using it more than I would think. Thanks for the thorough review!
thanks for watching and your comment Glenn!
I pre-ordered a month ago when it was supposed to be released in late April. Any word on a new release date? I'd love to have it for a trip to Europe I'm taking in early June.
Great review, thank you! A much needed addition to the L mount range. Any word on local (NZ) pricing?
yes NZ$1749. Pretty much the same as the all-in-one from Nikon, Canon.
the most comprehensive and detailed review ever! Good job Richard! I've enjoyed it and learnt a lot
oh thanks so much for your kind words Pav!!
I think the size of this lens with the Sigma fp will make a great combination for a lightweight travel setup. The optical stabilization will be very helpful for the lack of IBIS on the Sigma fp too.
4:25 ~75-80mm at f/5.6 -- making the DOF equal or exceed the comparably-sized classic Olympus pro-zoom 12-40mmF2.8 across the same range (albeit from m4/3 "14mm").
Of course, the rendition is unlikely to be as sophisticated due to its extreme parameters and less central role in the line-up, but for those concerned about the tight aperture, I think it puts it in perspective.
28-200mm = 413g, D77.3mm x L93.4mm
12-40mmF2.8 = 382g, D70mm x L84mm
yes and the focal length is more than double that of the Olympus (full frame equivalent)
The comparison is even better with the Olympus 12-100/4 (561g, D77.5mm x L116.5mm), equivalent to 24-200mm f/8.
The size and weight is remarkable, wow ! How is it compared to the Olympus MFT 12-100/4 ? A comparison especially of the image quality and image stabilization would be great. Thanks for review, keep going...
Thanks! Sorry i have not done any comparison with the Olympus 12-100 f/4 myself.
Easy listening, thx for a thoughtfully prepared video.
Glad you enjoyed it delmaraysMyth!
I like the fact that Panasonic has created a unique lens with broad appeal. I don’t believe there is anything else quite like it. Smart move on their part. I want it. Thanks for this comprehensive review.
Great review. Detailed and thorough. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I think the better lens combo would be the 28-200 with the 24mm. That would get you a little wider and allow for low-light, indoor stuff. You still have a portrait lens in that you can use the 28-200mm for that outside.
Yes if you don't need ultra wide, That's a great combo as you said it allow for low-light too!
Thank you so much for making such a video that answers all my questions about this lens.
Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching :)
One of the best (and most detailed) reviews on this lens I've seen. I agree that it would be nice to have it start around 20 or maybe even 24mm but perhaps optically that's not possible especially at this price point. I think what Panasonic are doing is to try and give 'semi-pro' photo and video operators an option to have two lenses that fill the 14-200 range and that's what the combination of the 14-28 + 28-200 now does very nicely (and of course if you shoot in APS-C mode you get a 21mm - 300mm range). Thanks so much Richard. Always love watching your reviews.
thank you so much really appreciate that. Comments like yours makes it worth all the efforts and time i spend on creating in-depth reviews
@@TheRealRichardWong You're most welcome. I'm sure I'm not alone in appreciating all the hard work you do and it is very helpful when trying to decide on what gear to get.
Thorough and a pleasure as always, Richard. Thanks
Wasn't that interested when it popped up on the roadmap due to the 28mm - yet same as with the 100 2.8 Macro - the compact form factor is a stunner.
The real benchmark for superzooms is the Oly 12-100 f4, with most FF lenses in that category being heavier and optically inferior on the long end while giving better separation on the wide end. Oly also renders busy foreground oof areas gorgeous, an asset few lenses possess overall. No wonder - as it's the only premium lens in the category.
Overall the 28 200 S seems to be a compelling choice by being the most different to all the others...
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Compact or pancake would only make sense to me if there are several offerings in that category PLUS a body other than the Sigma fp. Unfortunately L mount just has the 45mm 2.8 so far, which is optically beautiful - but only on the outside. ;)
Likewise Sony A7CR + metal primes + plenty of other compact offerings incl Apsc (due to crop potential of the R sensor) seems hard to touch...
Pana should focus on MFT compact lineup imo as there is a lot more potential left untouched for what seems like a decade. A7C is still huge compared to GX880 or GM1/5... but of course no FF money in that market. 1000$/€ would already be a lot for a premium MFT compact, so probably not gonna happen.
Cheers,
Marius
Marius, i think a problem with compact MFT is that, as the cameras are having more and more advanced features, better video recording options, higher burst rate, higher resolution sensor.. it really require more powerful hardware, more memory, better gyro sensor, bigger battery...etc to deliver these features. Which makes it impossible to go back to the GM1 size anymore.
While some may say they are happy with less features, the expectation of the public has increased so much over the years so it's really hard to deliver a barebone camera and expect more than a handful people will buy it. Also if releasing such camera with minimal features, then the price may have to be very low which makes it financially suicidal. (low volume + low margin)
At least that's what i feel the problem is with releasing a small MFT camera these days.. But I hope Panasonic or OM System will prove me wrong and surprise us!
Well done Panasonic! And another good review thanks Richard.
thanks for watching!
Another great video Richard. Tells me all I need to know to make a buying decision. It looks like a fantastic design that delivers an excellent one lens proposition. The IQ looks more than good enough and the size and weight are superb. But I’d really hoped for 24mm at the wide end. I find I use my 24-105 for most of my shooting and the 24 end gets a lot of use. I’m not wanting buy this and find myself swapping it all the time for the 14-28.
hey Paul, thanks for watching. Yes i agree. i wish it's 24mm at the wide end (or even better 20mm). But it's hard to create a perfect lens for everyone , especially when you have size/price/other design constraints
Thanks for the excellent review as always! Although, with such a long zoom range, seeing the sharpness test on the middle of the range will be great as well, seeing as those will be the range we'll use a lot.
This is definitely an interesting lens and one that I'm excited to add into my travel kit. I don't particularly likes 24mm, so the start at 28mm is fine for me (though I do like the wider 20mm from 20-60mm kit). I'll probably completing my kit with 14-28mm, 28-200mm, 50mm and 100mm which gives me all the focal lengths I needed and everything is relatively compact.
thanks for the suggestion re testing the mid range, will keep that in mind.
Thank you. I’m coming from FZ1000 & ZS100 to Lumix S5 with 50mm. I miss zooming but now I found my next lens for my S5.
Have fun!
Excellent review and comparison, thanks Richard! I'm not going to buy a travel lens just yet, but I'm always interested in what's new on the market.
Thank you for watching! If you want a compact travel lens, this is a great choice
I’ve been waiting for this lens!!! Thanks for the thorough review.
oh hope you enjoyed the review Mr Heng!
Best review of this lens that I have seen.
Thank you so much
Great succulent garden!
Imagine combining this lens with the crop-zoom feature of Sigma's fp L. An 830g set which can film 1080p from 28 - 1000mm.
I'd also like to try it with the TL2 as a 42-300mm.
Great review. Comprehensive! Thanks, Richard.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi Richard great video as always! You are one of the few if not the only one who really shows the technical aspects of lenses and cameras. Your reviews deserve to be seen because they perfectly show all the technical aspects that are really interesting. Is there a possibility that Panasonic makes a good converter to use l-mount lenses also on micro 4/3? I would really like to be able to use them with stabilization and autofocus. By the way, the review of the Leica 35-100? no one has made it yet, if no one looks at it why would anyone buy a copy? why doesn't lumix let anyone test it? It's not good?
thanks, see you soon
Richard*
yes, sorry
hi Michele! Thanks for watching! Re converter for L-mount -> m43, unfortunately the flange distance difference is only 0.75cm, so it's extremely difficult to create an adaptor especially one with electronic contacts, AF support..etc
Re the Leica 35-100, my understanding is that the optics design is the same as the previous version (maybe some very minor changes). so in terms of optical performance it should be the same or almost the same as the last version.
@@TheRealRichardWong thank you!
Would this be a good upgrade from the Lumix 21-105mm lens? I us a S5 and mainly do video ( a mix of full frame and cropped)
This seems like a very good lens! I also really like wide lenses and I also want a pancake lens for L Mount already. Currently have the 18mm F1.8 and the 20-60mm.
Pancakes!!!
@@TheRealRichardWong We want pancakes. :) Thank you for your reviews! :D
Hoping to see some more ultra telephoto (300mm+) lenses from Lumix. I have the 70-300 and currently the only other native option is the Sigma 150-600
There is one on the published road map. Hopefully won't have to wait too long
The new Sigma 500/5.6?
@@Bayonet1809Very expensive and fixed 500
@@Bayonet1809 yes would like to get my hands on that and see how it performs for my use (would be for motorsports)
@@TheRealRichardWong indeed! So far the 70-300 does me very well! Until I need more zoom that is
Thank you for yet another fantastic review 🙂
thank you so much for watching :)
very in-depth review, thanks, and just touched all the points I've got in mind... Having a 70-300 (and a 50 1.8), I am in the process of deciding whether to keep it and just go for the 20-60 so to keep budget low and have a "travel lens", or if go full throttle towards the 28-200 and just keep the 50 for portraits/low light stuff :) In the end I've lived with the 28 for ages (with the GR) for street, I like 50 for portraits and I'll be covering the rest with the 28-200... the only concerns is autofocus at max zoom, since I do some sport photos and sometimes light conditions are far from perfect (that's why I got the 70-300 in the first place).
@TheRealRichardWong, btw whith which set did you ended up with in the family trip? :)
Hi there, thanks for watching! My family trip hasn't happen yet. But I took the 28-200for my last trip to attend the s9 launch in Japan, and I really enjoyed that
Always best & most in depth reviews! 🙏🙏
Thank you Piotr!!
Been waiting years for this lens.
Thank you Richard. Very useful video
I wonder about the difference in sharpness between this and 24-105 f4.
28-200mm OIS with Sigma FP will be great combo for hiking and travelling.
But I prefer Sigma 28-70/2.8 over this 28-200mm.
That's true, i haven't thought about that. It's perfect for the FP if you want a compact but big focal range setup
Problem is I would want to pair it with the 14-28, which doesn't have OIS, so the FP's lack of IBIS is still an issue there.
@@Bayonet1809UWA doesn't need as much O.I.S though, reciprocal rule should work well along with modern ISO it is not an issue, and certainly not on Lumix bodies.
Just hold this lens. Super light. Let's think this lens is at f8.
Great lens offer nowadays for L mount. Good addition to the line
Excellent review, Richard.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for your support :)
Love the lighting technique in this video!! Sub’d!
Awesome! Thank you!
thank you very much ,plan to get one . the review is great
@ThaninThanin Enjoy this lens!
Its very tempting lens for me to switch, but here in the Netherlands its €1000, and that is to much for me. However as a kit lens in a kit with good discount.. and its hard to resist.
It's good to have more choices. Panasonic is doing well offering portable and lightweight lenses. I like the 70-300, so I will not get the 28-200. I am looking forward for the announced Ultra Telezoom (could replace my Sigma 150-600mm DG DN).
yes will see what that ultra telezoom will be like! My guess it will be another compact lens! (well in it's class)
@@TheRealRichardWong I hope it'll be at least up to 600mm and aperture not below 7.1 at the long end.
I've changed my mind and bought this lens. This kind of flexbility is so good with this lens. So, I am happy with this lens and the results I get from it.
Richard, another great in-depth and thorough review.
W.r.t. additional lens selection set-ups many people including myself will already have the 20-60mm as the kit lens that came with the camera. So, my thinking is to go for a 3 lens set-up 14-28mm, 20-60mm & 70-300mm to cover every eventuality. However, the 28-200mm could be the idea single lens walk around lens.
Thanks Spidey!
Yes if you already have the 20-60, what you said make sense. But I'm guessing in the future, Panasonic would introduce this as part of the camera kit? So people would buy that instead of the 20-60
Richard, thanks for the great review!! Yes, it is a tough choice between the two zooms sets. In my older age, less is more. So for me, I would go with the 14-28mm and 28-200mm. Thanks for the insightful analysis!!
My pleasure! As I'm getting older, i also prefer lighter and smaller setup as well
a really well done and comprehensive review Richard! A good product with few, necessary, compromises: good Pana engineers!...for me unfortunately a good All in One travel lens MUST start from 24mm to have a "wide" perspective ( 24-180mm? :-)..Thanks❤
Thanks Massimo! yes i wish the wide end is 24mm or 20mm but other than that i'm really excited about this lens
Thanks Richard! You answered my questions about this lens. I just got the Lumix s5ii with 20x60! Just went to a boats show and had to video close range stuff for sure! Wish my lens had iOS. I have to switch to crop sensor when I use ibis to avoid rolling shutter but then things are cropped in too much. Time to get a gimbal I think so I can use full sensor for the wide angle. What do you think?
Have you checkout the new FW3.0 for S5II, the new E-Stab high is pretty amazing at miniming camera shake/warping effect, I've made a video. The down side is, it does intoduce a 1.4x crop so you have the same not wide enough problem.
Gimbal is really effective at minimising camera shake but if you are concerned about rolling shutter, it doesn't make any difference to that though. Also gimbal takes time to learn and setup everytime you want to use it.. so it is not really ideal for a lot of applications.
@@TheRealRichardWong Richard thanks for getting back to me! So yes I just did the download. I see it on the camera. Everything is there. I will test it out tomorrow. I don't think the crop will be to bad and hopefully no rolling shutter! ROCKOOOOON!
Thanks Richard, a really thorough review! I already have the 14-28, 20-60, 24-105 and 70-300 lenses, so I don't really need the new 28-200. But! I would still like to get one because this would be the ideal lens if I just go out for a walkaround and want to take nothing else.
Hey Pete! haha we rarely really "need" a new lens, but we almost always want a new lens!
Hi Richard great video! Now I have to decide whether to keep my 20-60mm and buy the 70-300mm or just buy 28-200mm... I shoot mainly photos while travelling :)
It's hard decision, but do you shoot a lot between 20-28mm? especially near 20mm? if not, the 28-200 would be my choice!
Excellent review, but I don't think you made my decision-making process any easier! Lol... I currently have the 20-60 kit lens and the 50mm 1.8. I just need a decent zoom and was considering either the 28-200 or the 70-300. I travel a lot, so the all-in-one sounds appealing, but i also shoot kids' sports and auto racing. So I think I'm leaning more 70-300....such a tough decision!😂
Get the 28-200 and the sigma 150-600 😁😎
Thanks. This is a great review and extremely informative!
Thanks for watching
Great review as always but too limiting of an option for me. Should've been $1100, 24mm & f5.6 on the far end, IMO. Impressive that it's been created as small as it is but seems to me that the goal of matching the S Primes form factor kind of handicapped this lens. Again, IMO. At least Lumix is staying productive in the space so no complaint though I'll pass on this one.
Can I use the Lumix S 28-200mm f/4-7.1 Macro OIS on the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K? I'm thinking about buying a lens, but I'm worried because there aren't any users who use it.
I haven't try that, but in theory you should be able to. I know for sure this lens can be used on Leica SL2/3 with no problem. So if Blackmagic implement their camera properly and follow the L-mount standard, i don't see why not.
Hey Richard, i have s5 ii and sigma 105 macro plus sigma 16-28mm. Both are not perfect for my exact use case . I do close up semi macro food photography, what prime lens would you buy to get the best sharpest photos instead of the ones i have ? thanks
your two Sigma lenses are really sharp. I personally would start with the focal length first rather than picking "the sharpnest" lens as it may not be the focal length you like to shoot with
Hi Richard, today I open my TH-cam and found that Panasonic released and you made a video.
thank you i hope you enjoy this video
Rrally compelling lens. I didnt think i was interested, but the size of the lens is amazing.
Thanks for watching!
Id love this lens, but the biggest drawback for me is the price at $900 on bh right now. Not saying it's not worth it but for what would be like a niche lens (for taking on trips) for me, it's pretty pricey.
It's not cheap, but it's the same price as the all-in-one from Nikon, Canon and cheaper than Sony.
How does this compare to the Samyang 35 - 150
It would be great to see Tamron 28-200 with L-Mount. Maybe Sigma will come with something interesting here.
Yeah it would be great but unlikely. But there is sigma and now samyang either of them may bring something interesting to L mount
good review! i am happy with 24-105
thanks for watching!
I ordered the 24-105 & 70-300
Thank you for the great review. I saw your dpreview forum post and came here to suggest 1:How smoothly the lens transition when zooming in and out of 28mm while on (to) x0.5 macro territory? 2: Can older bodies benefit from the parfocal quality of this lens when zooming? (If dfd can work to retain the focus as good). Thanks in advance!
hi there,
1. Sorry i'm not sure if i understand your question. If you can explain a bit more what you want to do, want me to test, I would try to do that :)
2. Yes, i just tested with the original S5, the parfocal still works.
wow thanks a lot! What I meant to ask you to do was basically the same test except it's when Macro-shooting (around closest focusing on 28mm, transitioning both in and out of the) focusing distance to see if the parfocal quality still remains.@@TheRealRichardWong
@@ほしイカだぃぉう I can't test at 28mm focal length because if i focus at minimum focus distance, the lens physically cannot focus when I zoom in. But I did a test, I focused at close to minimum focus distance at 200mm focal length, then i zoom out, and the parfocal still seem to be true. (or close enough that I cannot notice it's not from my quick test)
Thanks again! That's promising. Great capture of the seagull btw. It looks sharper than any of the handy telephoto of eruivalent weight. Reason to switch, more than likely yes! keep up the good work thanks again@@TheRealRichardWong
Seems like a very decent lightweight lens, especially well matched with the 14-28, but the system is missing a small (GX9 style) L-mount body to be truly travel friendly. And no, the Sigma FP doesn't count (no built-in viewfinder and no IBIS).
I myself is ok with EVF, but i do really want/need IBIS. Not sure about GX9 size, but GX8 size L-mount camera maybe possible ?
@@TheRealRichardWong Sigma FP is smaller than GX9, so GX9 size is certainly possible with an L-mount. The Sony A7c II is also the same height and width as the GX9, so a full-frame IBIS mechanism should be possible too. Although I would be fine with GX8 size too, and even a bit thicker to fit the larger battery if necessary (like the A7C II).
ok let's hope Lumix is already preparing something for us!
I have S52x with 50mm 1.8 lens. What is your if i buy this lens can i cover all scenarios having only two those lenses?
That would be a great combo. The only thing you may miss is Ultra wide angle which not everyone need
@@TheRealRichardWong Thank U very much. Yes i thought about ultra as well....
Very comprehensive review. Don’t get why you didn’t hit 100.000 subs yet
Working on it! 💪💪💪
I really not like lenses which extends, I prefer prime lenses or zoom with fix F value, those often not extend when zooming
Hi, is it compatible with LEICA SL2 ?? Thank you
Yes it is
Great review, but the 24-105 is still my all-time favorite :) If I could design a lense than I would try to do 20-100 f3.5
i would love a 20-100 f/3.5 too, even f/4 is fine if the size isn't much larger than the current 24-105 f/4 lenses in the market
@@TheRealRichardWong Indeed, the 24-105 is quite heavy.
Today again I experienced during a hike that the 28-70 is not wide enough. Should have bring my 20-60 over the 28-70.
We are backpacking in Asia and every gram en cm counts…
I usually love fast aperture lenses, but i really like the 20mm wide end of the 20-60 and it is easily my favourite L-mount lens for that reason
Does anyone know how this lens is for shooting infrared photos? Any central hotspot?
I notice focus breeding in evening light. And 200mm, the AF not work.
At 200mm, it's f/7.1. Autofocus would suffer under low light, this is one of the biggest limitation of a travel zoom lens. You need to find a bright(er) target for it to AF successfully. It's a limitation of autofocus under low light with slower lens.
@@TheRealRichardWong also when cloudy sky 200 AF is lost need go back to 150, than pickup AF and zoom to 200. Clear sky, is okee but that do all lenses.
the sony rx10iv has better image quality than full frame cameras with approx 24-200mm zoom lens attached. has this lens managed to break that barrier and actually bring increased image quality?
For me it hasn't got better image quality. You can't push the iso anywhere near and it lacks the dynamic range.
It sucks at anything over 1000 iso and the lens isn't as sharp as these full frame and M43 superzooms like the Olympus 12-100 and Z24-200.
Ok it wins at 600mm fov and it's a great camera but the image quality isn't as good in the short to medium range.
With the Z7 you can crop a lot and still have far better iq .
I love bridge cameras but the iq does lack in comparison.
Yes, I would like to see a couple of Panasonic pancake lenses similar to the two Nikon (40mm f/2 and 28mm f/2.8) lenses. And I like the size & grip of my S5II over my X-H2.
Me too I really like those Nikon pancakes!
Excellent Richard 😊
L Eric Many thanks!
There is no limit to my disappointment. I was waiting for a lens like the Tamron 35-150mm f/2.8-4 Di VC OSD Canon EF. What does Panasonic produce as a result?
As I understand it, the development of the PRO version has reached an impasse, you can not wait for the continuation of the series.Well, Panasonic, I'm going to buy a Tamron 35-150mm Canon EF and put it through an adapter, so obviously it will be better.
How can you talk about the minimum weight of the lens when buying a full-frame camera? If there is a struggle for weight, then you can buy 4/3 with a better lens and get a better result. And buy a cool full-frame camera to hang lenses of this kind. What's the point?
Thank you, how is low light?
Low light is limited by its slow aperture
@@TheRealRichardWong any test footage?
I shot some random short clips, but nothing in this review as the low light shots are just testing the camera's low light performance.
@@TheRealRichardWong thanks, i be very curious about low light. Lens not yet in retail so cant test myself.
Everything, at the extremes, is a compromise, when attempting to get, an ‘all a-rounder’ anything, lens related. This is especially true, when the manufacture is attempting to reduce size and weight. Professionals are not choosing this lens for paid shoots. They are using lenses, they own or rent, that are better suited for the specific shoot. Panasonic didn’t build this lens with the professional on mind. Unless the professional, is going on vacation, and wants to bring one lens. It a great lens choice for the S5 or S9 series of cameras.
I BUY THEM ALL HAHAHAHA IS NOT EASY TO CHOOSE !!!! MANY THANKS FOR YOUR EXPLANATION 👍👍
No problem 👍 Enjoy your lenses :)
Great lens for photographers! You're an amazing reviewer.
As a videographer, I would've loved a FF 20-120mm F4 to replace the staple 24-105mm F4 while keeping the same size and resolution. A perfect blend of 20-60 and 24-105... but with that constant aperture important for video work.
DSLR 24-105mm lens designs are almost 20 years old ( Canon 2005), I hope that with current tech and L-mount it's possible to push that constant F4 range a bit more :-) 20-120 f4 or 18-135 f4? No bigger than 77mm filter of course.
I would like to see that too!! 20-120 f/4 would be amazing if the size is not bigger than the current 24-105 f/4
@@TheRealRichardWong exactly a 20-120 or 20-135mm constant F4 with same size would be a hit for videographers.
I’m ok with max apeture 7.1 at tele focal length but this len start from 28mm not 24mm. It’s not versatile enough even it’s small and light weight.
i would like it to be a bit wider too!
No, not yet. I am waiting for a 24-380 mm f11 to f16.
20-120 would be great
yes, but i'm a bit greedy, i want 20-140 haha
me gustó
thanks for watching
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I do not know. I would rather have constant f5.6😂
I wouldn't mind constant 5.6 too. But constant f/5.6 would be larger and heavier than this lens though, as the tele end would need to be faster.
All zoom lenses that do not have the same fixed aperture throughout the range are completely amateur and at best are what they call kit lenses.
I WONDER, 1 year after the release of the s5ii/s5iix, THIS LENS is recommended by Panasonic? Why? The s5ii/s5iix are so "amateur" cameras and such lenses are needed to attract new customers?
What a disappointment....
f45 lol