Hey Mark, had a look at our videos, and don't think we have any footage that shows this with 2x4s, but we do have this Kerdi-Board video that shows how to make a partition/knee wall with 2 pieces of KB being bonded together: th-cam.com/video/5PUoCxUPpzA/w-d-xo.html. Hope this helps, or feel free to discuss any questions with our Support Team at 888-472-4588. Thanks!
@@schlutersystems1 yes ,I'm familiar with the pony wall,just wished they showed the recessed mounting of the custom kerdi bench,instead they edited it out?
Hi Beto, different stores carry different products. You can always check with one of your local Schluter dealers. Here's a link to find one near you: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/store-finder
Hi there ! We don't, but you could buy screws that would work. The selected screws must be of sufficient length to reach a depth of at least 3/4" (20 mm) in wood studs. If the studs are not thick enough, the screws need to be able to penetrate the masonry to that depth. Make sure the screw material is the same as the washer, to avoid galvanic corrosion. Also, be sure there are no moisture concerns with the wood furring strips in between the masonry and the waterproof KERDI-BOARD. Hope that helps!
I plan to use Schluter Kerdi-Board on the bathtub surrounding. If I have some small bumps on the studs (tried the planer and shimmering my best, but still there are some) will it cause large tiles to fail (12x24), or it might just give some negative visual effects? Some of unevenness is about 1/4". I know that the standard limit is 1/8", but if you place a piece of Kerdi-Board, it sits very stright, but when you place there a long leveling ruler it bumps, and you can see that it is not even everywhere. Again a piece of Kerdi fits like a glove on that wall (studs better to say). Maybe you can advise. Thank you for the informative film.
Hi Olena! We do have a quick video on wet shimming with Kerdi-Board here: th-cam.com/video/nebHq8N2i0Y/w-d-xo.html You're welcome to give our Product Support team to have a chat about your project: US: 800-472-4588 CA: 800-667-8746
@@schlutersystems1 Thank you very much for the quick reply band useful information. I saw one film about that technique (Wet Shimming) and before, but kind of hope to go without it, just with dry shimming. I do tiling for the first time and if something goes wrong would be easier to redo the project.
sister the studs and make it flat and plumb. Flat is important for tile setting; plumb is important for corners. I think Tile Coach (on youtube) has a video on fixing walls. Sistering is faster and a lot less grief. More important it will keep your tile setter happy.
I'm pretty sure that Kerdi is not supposed to be used to line a swimming pool or bathtub so that seems unnecessary. Showers aren't designed to be totally submerged in water.
@@toadamine , even a swimming pool leaks if it is not built correctly. My business is full bathroom remodel and I am a specialist in shower pans. The vast majority of vinyl shower pans I replace are leaking, some just a few years old. I have never had to replace one schluter shower for leaks, only for updating style amd not one of those has been leaking.
Good produce like many others, however, it is very expensive. One reason for the high price is how they distribute it. Schluter sells it to distributors who then sell it to dealers who then sell it to the trades or consumers. IT IS ALMOST A PYRAMID SCHEME ! The result of all these companies taking a cut is that they end price IS THROUGH THE ROOF !
Yes! Nice system that performs well, but crazy overpriced. Just went to buy eight 3/8" cube corner transition pieces for Schluter QUADEC aluminum tile trim. You could hold 50 of these tiny pieces in one hand. Price was $38.66 each. I'll be mitering the corners instead.
I'm thinking a combination of Kerdi board and Redgard paint on sealer, anybody tried these two together? Ease of use of Kerdi and if in no rush Redgard 's idiot proof sealing
The Kerdi system doesn't need a water proofing membrane like Redgard. If you want to use Redgard, a cement board substrate will provide the protection at a fraction of the cost.
@@chrisgraham2904 Red Guard over Drywall is even enough, my old tub and shower were just drywall and it was like new, no mold, no water Damage and that was 15 years. But a Shower cement board or a floated wall is best. Put that Kerdi board in water and see it disintegrate.
Hi CW. Both Kerdi and Kerdi-Board provide waterproofing for your shower... but Kerdi is applied over gyprock and Kerdi-Board is a one-step process building panel that eliminates gyprock completely. Both are designed to have tile applied on top. You can check out our website for more details! Kerdi: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Membranes/Waterproofing-%28KERDI%29/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI/p/KERDI Kerdi-Board: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Building-Panels/KERDI-BOARD-Panels/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI-BOARD/p/KERDI_BOARD
The whole idea is to not let water get behind the tiles in the first place. I've taken out 30 - 40 year old bathrooms with regular drywall behind the tile and it was in perfect shape because it was tiled and grouted correctly. I've ripped out showers with kerdi / schluter and water had gotten behind the tiles and stagnated - sure, the kerdi was ok but it all had to come out attached to the tiles...
I've watched quite a few tile videos done by tile contractors and they all explain how grout and thinset is not waterproof. Also any tile that isn't porcelain is usually porous. So I would like to know specifically how you believe you can grout correctly to make it waterproof. Are you just talking about making sure you seal the grout and tile afterwards? Or acrylic grout? Tiling is an ancient building technique for wet environments and Kerdi, wedi and all of these different waterproof membranes are new techniques that are less than 40 years old. I think more of the point of these products is to save labor expense and to allow contractors to knock out jobs quicker with less steps that require things to set overnight before proceeding. So I can easily see your logic, but I don't know the important details for how to properly grout and tile to make the tile and grout watertight.
@@ericksonjustinAK do you know what happens if water gets between the tile and whatever membrane is popular the month it was built? It stagnates and the only way to get rid of the smell is to rip it out regardless how much you paid for whatever backer you used. Watching videos of "contractors" on youtube is dicey at best...
Tile and grout are not waterproof. Period. You may have been doing this a while, but you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the science. Since tile and grout are not waterproof, they allow the water the dry, and there is no standing water, as long as your levels are good. Generally speaking, a shower that is not being pounded on by a steam shower, or many uses a day, will not have any water issues if install correctly. Correctly includes following the manufacturers instructions. The waterproof nature of the Kerri board and its system are the reason why non modified cement is a necessity, as it does not allow the moisture in the modified cement to dry fast enough to be usable for weeks, especially if you are using larger tile. Please, if you are going to post your anecdotes on a video, at least have some common sense to back it up.
@@ericksonjustinAK you, sir, are correct! Rob bob has no clue of what he is speaking. You, with your TH-cam video watching wxperience have more correct knowledge than whomever this “Robbob” is. Everything you commented is correct.
Thousand bucks says that they change the system where the walls overlap the floor at some point in time. This installing the walls and then the floor within the walls and then taping them with band material is going to prove to be a piss poor idea
This is sad. People with much less money and much smaller media presence make it clear when they are doing reviews where they have received something of value for the review. Take a look at Matt Risinger's videos Mike. Right up front he tells you who is sponsors are. And is Mike qualified to review this? Only sort of. He's not a professional dedicated tile guy. He hasn't done comparison testing. He's not comparing the cost of this system to others. He's not talking about disadvantages of this approach. Overall, one of the sorriest moments ever for Mike Holmes and I'm a fan.
If you are looking for an unbiased opinion on backer boards. Type in Sal Diblasi backer board test. He probably has 200 videos installing tile on all kinds of board and not just schluter. He tests Wedi, laticrete, and kerdi. He even says that now he just adds the cost of foam board into his bids. He even has videos with the national tile contractors association.
Schluter products and systems have been subjected to, and passed, all required standards and testing in multiple countries including the United States and Canada. It's important that testing be carried out by independent, unbiased, third-party laboratories that are recognized and approved by the industry, and this is how Schluter's certifications are achieved. We simply can’t comment on random videos/tests as it’s impossible to tell from a video whether they have been done to industry specifications and manufacturer instructions, and what other factors in the testing environment could have affected the results.
There was a time when Kerdi was the only system available... It's not any longer but Schluter doesn't seem to realize this because their customer service is pretty much non-existent. As for the kerdiboard... It's a con. by the time you pay for the clips and patches... you could use cementboard and a waterproofing system.
Its OK stuff if it is done right! I just looked up the price not even close to being worth it! $480????? For one sheet? that's insane! I can do a mud shower and it will last a hundred years! And it wont cost me much for the sand and cement!
It's not waterproof and the buildup from all the layers in the pan will throw plumb out by at least 1/4 inch. A normal size shower will cost 500 plus the drain. You also have to spend a ton of time making it waterproof which in reality it never is. Put up anything on the walls drypack you pan then two coats of Redgard on your ready for tile.😁
Mortar isnt sealant.... it soaks up water... tons of vids here on youtube showing it fail every time when it actually stays wet for a few days, which it will bring under tile and grout and a mortar bed in a shower... that'll never dry out if you take a shower or two a day...
Holmes we are building showers not fish tanks brother it not a tub neither water is in and out waste of money and time Everything is depending on the thinset even the drain🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
been using this stuff for 20 years. never one call back! love it.
Warner how much kick back there getting
Paid for by Schluter-Kerdi.
Show us how the seat is anchored to the wall.
my question too
he said he sandwhich pressed with 2×4s the foam bench but they didnt show that?would like to see how its mounted
Hey Mark, had a look at our videos, and don't think we have any footage that shows this with 2x4s, but we do have this Kerdi-Board video that shows how to make a partition/knee wall with 2 pieces of KB being bonded together: th-cam.com/video/5PUoCxUPpzA/w-d-xo.html.
Hope this helps, or feel free to discuss any questions with our Support Team at 888-472-4588. Thanks!
@@schlutersystems1 yes ,I'm familiar with the pony wall,just wished they showed the recessed mounting of the custom kerdi bench,instead they edited it out?
@@schlutersystems1 are you gently suggesting the shower seat is not a good idea?
Mike, I wish I could hire you. (Or someone as honest and straightforward as yourself). God[Bible] Bless you Mike Holmes.
Why does Home Depot and Lowe’s don’t have this?
Hi Beto, different stores carry different products. You can always check with one of your local Schluter dealers. Here's a link to find one near you: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/store-finder
What fasteners should be used installing the Kerdi board over a Masonary wall with furring strips?
Hi there ! We don't, but you could buy screws that would work. The selected screws must be of sufficient length to reach a depth of at least 3/4" (20 mm) in wood studs. If the studs are not thick enough, the screws need to be able to penetrate the masonry to that depth. Make sure the screw material is the same as the washer, to avoid galvanic corrosion. Also, be sure there are no moisture concerns with the wood furring strips in between the masonry and the waterproof KERDI-BOARD. Hope that helps!
How has that system held up over the past 5 years .
If using membrane..can I go right over drywall...or must it be backer board
Yep! Once you install KERDI over the drywall panels, they will be completely protected from the water and vapor in your tiled shower.
I plan to use Schluter Kerdi-Board on the bathtub surrounding. If I have some small bumps on the studs (tried the planer and shimmering my best, but still there are some) will it cause large tiles to fail (12x24), or it might just give some negative visual effects? Some of unevenness is about 1/4". I know that the standard limit is 1/8", but if you place a piece of Kerdi-Board, it sits very stright, but when you place there a long leveling ruler it bumps, and you can see that it is not even everywhere. Again a piece of Kerdi fits like a glove on that wall (studs better to say). Maybe you can advise. Thank you for the informative film.
Hi Olena! We do have a quick video on wet shimming with Kerdi-Board here: th-cam.com/video/nebHq8N2i0Y/w-d-xo.html
You're welcome to give our Product Support team to have a chat about your project:
US: 800-472-4588
CA: 800-667-8746
@@schlutersystems1 Thank you very much for the quick reply band useful information. I saw one film about that technique (Wet Shimming) and before, but kind of hope to go without it, just with dry shimming. I do tiling for the first time and if something goes wrong would be easier to redo the project.
Please know our Product Support team is here to help! Good luck with your project!
sister the studs and make it flat and plumb. Flat is important for tile setting; plumb is important for corners. I think Tile Coach (on youtube) has a video on fixing walls. Sistering is faster and a lot less grief. More important it will keep your tile setter happy.
Have you flood tested Kerdi shower for 24 hours?
I'm pretty sure that Kerdi is not supposed to be used to line a swimming pool or bathtub so that seems unnecessary. Showers aren't designed to be totally submerged in water.
I had one where inspector was out of town so it sat filled for over a week. Didn't leak one drop.
Tons of videos online proving it leaks
@@toadamine , even a swimming pool leaks if it is not built correctly. My business is full bathroom remodel and I am a specialist in shower pans. The vast majority of vinyl shower pans I replace are leaking, some just a few years old. I have never had to replace one schluter shower for leaks, only for updating style amd not one of those has been leaking.
@@prof613 yeh you have not been using it for long either.
Good produce like many others, however, it is very expensive. One reason for the high price is how they distribute it. Schluter sells it to distributors who then sell it to dealers who then sell it to the trades or consumers. IT IS ALMOST A PYRAMID SCHEME ! The result of all these companies taking a cut is that they end price IS THROUGH THE ROOF !
Yes! Nice system that performs well, but crazy overpriced. Just went to buy eight 3/8" cube corner transition pieces for Schluter QUADEC aluminum tile trim. You could hold 50 of these tiny pieces in one hand. Price was $38.66 each. I'll be mitering the corners instead.
How you mount to the wall
Hi there! You can check out how to mount KERDI-BOARD to the wall here: th-cam.com/video/rJDpzjDBpgg/w-d-xo.html
I'm thinking a combination of Kerdi board and Redgard paint on sealer, anybody tried these two together?
Ease of use of Kerdi and if in no rush Redgard 's idiot proof sealing
The Kerdi system doesn't need a water proofing membrane like Redgard. If you want to use Redgard, a cement board substrate will provide the protection at a fraction of the cost.
@@chrisgraham2904 Red Guard over Drywall is even enough, my old tub and shower were just drywall and it was like new, no mold, no water Damage and that was 15 years. But a Shower cement board or a floated wall is best. Put that Kerdi board in water and see it disintegrate.
Should I use Kerdi board or Kerdi membrane??
Hi CW. Both Kerdi and Kerdi-Board provide waterproofing for your shower... but Kerdi is applied over gyprock and Kerdi-Board is a one-step process building panel that eliminates gyprock completely. Both are designed to have tile applied on top.
You can check out our website for more details!
Kerdi: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Membranes/Waterproofing-%28KERDI%29/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI/p/KERDI
Kerdi-Board: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Building-Panels/KERDI-BOARD-Panels/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI-BOARD/p/KERDI_BOARD
So if I put small tiles on that 1/2 foam won’t the flea cause the grout to crack?
You can use small tiles on KERDI-BOARD! The panels are flat, level, plumb, and square... No popped grout!
Now versabond and latacrete have their own versions of this system and it works better. They fixed all the things that were wrong with kerdi ,
What were the things that were wrong?
The whole idea is to not let water get behind the tiles in the first place. I've taken out 30 - 40 year old bathrooms with regular drywall behind the tile and it was in perfect shape because it was tiled and grouted correctly. I've ripped out showers with kerdi / schluter and water had gotten behind the tiles and stagnated - sure, the kerdi was ok but it all had to come out attached to the tiles...
Right same to me i ripout my father shower he built 40 years ago then nothing matter this guy is popette manipulate by big compagnie shame on him
I've watched quite a few tile videos done by tile contractors and they all explain how grout and thinset is not waterproof. Also any tile that isn't porcelain is usually porous. So I would like to know specifically how you believe you can grout correctly to make it waterproof. Are you just talking about making sure you seal the grout and tile afterwards? Or acrylic grout? Tiling is an ancient building technique for wet environments and Kerdi, wedi and all of these different waterproof membranes are new techniques that are less than 40 years old. I think more of the point of these products is to save labor expense and to allow contractors to knock out jobs quicker with less steps that require things to set overnight before proceeding. So I can easily see your logic, but I don't know the important details for how to properly grout and tile to make the tile and grout watertight.
@@ericksonjustinAK do you know what happens if water gets between the tile and whatever membrane is popular the month it was built? It stagnates and the only way to get rid of the smell is to rip it out regardless how much you paid for whatever backer you used. Watching videos of "contractors" on youtube is dicey at best...
Tile and grout are not waterproof. Period. You may have been doing this a while, but you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the science. Since tile and grout are not waterproof, they allow the water the dry, and there is no standing water, as long as your levels are good. Generally speaking, a shower that is not being pounded on by a steam shower, or many uses a day, will not have any water issues if install correctly. Correctly includes following the manufacturers instructions. The waterproof nature of the Kerri board and its system are the reason why non modified cement is a necessity, as it does not allow the moisture in the modified cement to dry fast enough to be usable for weeks, especially if you are using larger tile. Please, if you are going to post your anecdotes on a video, at least have some common sense to back it up.
@@ericksonjustinAK you, sir, are correct! Rob bob has no clue of what he is speaking. You, with your TH-cam video watching wxperience have more correct knowledge than whomever this “Robbob” is. Everything you commented is correct.
Yeah, what's not to love about walls made of packing peanuts? 😂
What does that mean?
Why is everything pink?
One of Mike Holmes building products!
Thousand bucks says that they change the system where the walls overlap the floor at some point in time. This installing the walls and then the floor within the walls and then taping them with band material is going to prove to be a piss poor idea
Use WEDI and be done if you want the best.
Too expensive
Doing God’s work!
This is sad. People with much less money and much smaller media presence make it clear when they are doing reviews where they have received something of value for the review. Take a look at Matt Risinger's videos Mike. Right up front he tells you who is sponsors are. And is Mike qualified to review this? Only sort of. He's not a professional dedicated tile guy. He hasn't done comparison testing. He's not comparing the cost of this system to others. He's not talking about disadvantages of this approach. Overall, one of the sorriest moments ever for Mike Holmes and I'm a fan.
If you are looking for an unbiased opinion on backer boards. Type in Sal Diblasi backer board test. He probably has 200 videos installing tile on all kinds of board and not just schluter. He tests Wedi, laticrete, and kerdi. He even says that now he just adds the cost of foam board into his bids. He even has videos with the national tile contractors association.
tile coach says not waterproof
Schluter products and systems have been subjected to, and passed, all required standards and testing in multiple countries including the United States and Canada. It's important that testing be carried out by independent, unbiased, third-party laboratories that are recognized and approved by the industry, and this is how Schluter's certifications are achieved.
We simply can’t comment on random videos/tests as it’s impossible to tell from a video whether they have been done to industry specifications and manufacturer instructions, and what other factors in the testing environment could have affected the results.
we call it "polystyrene", not foam.
Why is all your wood PINK???
It was a house that had a fire , pretty sure its fire retardant treated lumber.
Like everything Mike does he uses only the best and expensive materials.
Overpriced, backerboard with a topical membrane is just as good as schluter.
There was a time when Kerdi was the only system available... It's not any longer but Schluter doesn't seem to realize this because their customer service is pretty much non-existent. As for the kerdiboard... It's a con. by the time you pay for the clips and patches... you could use cementboard and a waterproofing system.
That home owner looks just like a lady from years ago when he done a bathroom fix for...just short hair now
Its OK stuff if it is done right! I just looked up the price not even close to being worth it! $480????? For one sheet? that's insane! I can do a mud shower and it will last a hundred years! And it wont cost me much for the sand and cement!
$75.00 per sheet is what I pay
This system is for saving a Contractor time, they save time, means they make more Dough and charge a lot more.
It's not waterproof and the buildup from all the layers in the pan will throw plumb out by at least 1/4 inch. A normal size shower will cost 500 plus the drain. You also have to spend a ton of time making it waterproof which in reality it never is. Put up anything on the walls drypack you pan then two coats of Redgard on your ready for tile.😁
Mortar isnt sealant.... it soaks up water... tons of vids here on youtube showing it fail every time when it actually stays wet for a few days, which it will bring under tile and grout and a mortar bed in a shower... that'll never dry out if you take a shower or two a day...
Kerfi board is very spongy. Its a good product but nowhere near as good as botact building board.
I don’t trust Mike Holmes. He bad mouths contractors. And has no safety standards.
Lol yeah ok
It has been shown that Kerdi doesn't work 100%.
What's your face doing on schlüter, nothing wrong with kerdi board!
Holmes we are building showers not fish tanks brother it not a tub neither water is in and out waste of money and time Everything is depending on the thinset even the drain🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Too many steps. Too many seams. Kerdi fabric is too thick.