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The First Ryzen 7 8845HS Mini PC! GMKTec Nucbox K8 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2024
- AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS Mini PC, GMKtec nucbox K8. More info and where to buy: www.amazon.com... (Version reviewed)
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Unboxing
01:39 - Build and design
04:06 - Upgrades possible
05:31 - Bios and interesting settings
07:12 - Benchmarks, windows, and 8845HS rebrand
10:47 - 4k video decoding
11:49 - Gaming tests
15:33 - 4k120, USB 4.0, thermals and fan noise sample
17:46 - Final thoughts with Pros and Cons
18:32 - Why I will be reviewing fewer Mini PCs
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K8 barebone version:
List price: $689.99
Code discount: $190
Code: TechTablets-K8-0
Final price: $499.99, $20 extra discount if your exclusive code is applied.
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K8 32GB+1TB version:
List price: 849.99
Code discount: $200
Code: TechTablets-K81T
Final price: $649.99, $30 extra discount if your exclusive code is applied.
www.gmktec.com/products/amd-ryzen-7-8845hs-mini-pc-nucbox-k8
K8 32GB+2TB version:
List price: $899.99
Code discount: $200
Code: TechTabletsK82T
Final price: $699.99, $20 extra discount if your exclusive code is applied.
www.gmktec.com/products/amd-ryzen-7-8845hs-mini-pc-nucbox-k8
K8 32GB+1TB
List price: $849.99
On-page Coupon: $200
Final price: $649.99
www.amazon.com/dp/B0CST4KQ9P
K8 32GB+2TB
List price: $899.99
On-page Coupon: $200
Final price: $699.99
www.amazon.com/dp/B0CT33HCTG
PLEASE, woud you advice to get the stock version with 32gb ram and 1to ssd or do you think its maybe better to buy better parts for 50 more $?
Kudos for not tagging along with those 'other' review channels that are just shills for these manufacturers. 'This is all you will ever need' reviews every day not only look lame, but beg a question of who's actually watching them. Clearly not those who are after proper reviews.
Amazing job, Chris! A long-time subscriber here, as you have proved your integrity many times over.
Very well said and so true! 👍
Well that's it I think most people don't even want to watch reviews now it seems, just be told it's all amazing and to go buy it using their affiliate link. I will review a few more mini pcs sure, but ones that interest me like a new Intel Arc Ultra 7 155h mini PC to see how the new iPGU from INtel runs. But the countless 8000 series mini pcs that will be out this year and there will be like 20-30 of them? No way, same deal as the 7000 series nothing is different unless you want the NPU and use Ai stuff.
@@Techtablets Honestly I think the arrival of 8000 series mini PCs is great. Not because they themselves are great. But their arrival will reduce the price of 7000 series mini PCs.
This is the only positive but a good one! Get them while the stocks last...
There are a LOT of mini-pc reviews every week or seems. They're pretty much same old, same old currently.
I am interested in anything genuinely new, because I do like the form factor, and I'm interested to see the Asus NUC offerings once they become available as those should be more suitable for business desktop use and have some manageability features. The Chinese brand minis don't have the support behind them that business needs.
No product is perfect, so I really appreciate you being honest with the pros AND cons in your reviews.
I think those companies are doing themselves a disservice. Im more unlikely to get a product if everything's too perfect. I watch videos for a real review, not a "everything's good" review. Keep up the good work chris.
... The reviews we need that manufacturers don't want us to hear!.. nice one mate.
Just had to mention it because I know it's happening. I questioned them as to why a certain infomercial everything's amazing style of review always gets units weeks before others that could be more critical in their approach and of course they deny this happens... By the way this isn't GMKtec but the top 2 Mini PC brands
Absolutely love your videos. They are so good and thorough.
Thank you.
NPU was available in previous gen too. At least 7800/7900 has it. However I was never able to find any demo proving it works better than GPU/CPU based. Unfortunately Win11 has no special tab for NPU like in case of Intel. But HWINFO has some info about NPU in Ryzen.
chris reviews are better than ETA prime
Agree
Definitely
Always love your honest reviews!
@Chris, love the review as always. Just one correction about the NPU, they did not add a NPU, just increased the performance of it in this revision, from 10 TOPS to 16 TOPS and total of 39 TOPS using CPU+GPU+NPU. The normal Zen 4 7040HS/U series has the NPU all the time, using AMD XDNA architecture. AMD just did not make much fuss about it, unlike Intel with its Meteor lake.
That's good point it's just now they decided to jump on marketing it. Jumped on that Ai craze and since nothing else was new it's all they could push. I'm a big AMD fan but this new 8000 series is a poor move. Really it's a scam.
@@Techtablets They are following Intel's footstep, like 12th gen U, P and H series to their 13th Gen counterparts. I knew this was gonna be a lame refresh but was hoping they would be doing some basic tuning like increasing the CPU clock speeds a bit and increasing the IGP clock spped by 200 MHz. At least that would have given slightly better performance.
I already have a 7840u, and I'll hold off getting a new device until Strix point or Strix halo comes out.
Wise move. Pass on the 8000 series
Yeah, same for me. Waiting on that 40CUs iGPU
Isnt very good using recycled plastic bottles for this?
Think that would be a good idea.
AS recent leak
Windows 11 24h2 version has upscaling resolution.
But NPU required.
So this pc can match next update requirment.
Oh I hope not but I'm sure Windows will work to help get people to upgrade to new AI NPU chipsets.
Your reviews are great....most other reviewers just seem to parrot the spec sheets...
Rebranded or not. It's amazing value for the money still, and now a NPU in addition. Nothing bad about it
Are the thermals an upgrade to the K6?
I am planning to connect an egpu to the mini pc sometimes, mainly for VR games. So Wifi 6e is the better choice. K6 has Wifi 6, right?
As always...an honest review without BS
I try. More to come I'm testing an Ultra 5 125H Mini PC right now.
can you test if you can fresh install ubuntu or proxmox? gmktec m5 upgraded is missing bios EFI files and it cant be installed
Downside for me of gmktec is the lack of more usb-c ports.
True two would have been better.
You could go further with the disassembly after you do the tests.
Yes I could afterwards do that it's true. At least this isn't using liquid metal like some.
@@Techtablets why is liquid metal bad?
@@adam29334 It may be difficult to disassemble the cooling system. Because, most likely, you will have to apply the liquid metal again. But this is not very cheap and not always easy. If liquid metal is applied incorrectly, it can damage the device. Reapplying thermal paste is much cheaper, easier and safer.
@Chris, in your opinion for 2024 what is the best top of the line Mini PC at the moment? I have an old 10th gen Intel NUC I am wanting to upgrade. I do like the dual NIC's. I have been looking at the Minisforum, GMKtec and Geekom any other brands to consider?
Minisforum HX100G if you need an eGPU. Otherwise the UM780 XTX is my favorite.
i really wish they allow 120mm fan for cooling so we can change it if needed
That would be good yes I agree 👍
You can always mod the case yourself if you want to mount extra fans
@@Rez_nick Yes, but it would be much better if the manufacturer provided for this possibility in advance. Otherwise, you will have to use double-sided tape and other not very beautiful solutions.
Thanks, I will steer clear of amd cpus on these mini pcs.
It's just an AI rebranding thing 😅 no benefit to games. Hopefully the games will benefit from the next generation amd chips. 2023 had been the best year for integrated graphics.
Nice nod to ETA prime 😁 people are complaining in the comments about exactly that.
Yes Ai and that's it such a lazy rebrand this year. I was hoping of a few more iGPU cores like a bump from 12 to 16 or something but no Ai NPU instead 😅 Easy to keep the money rolling and shill where everything reviewed is always amazing and never anything bad is mentioned. Beside that everything is really boring I'm not up to reviewing 20-30 more mini PCs that are basically the same 7XX0 series rebranded as 8X000 ones or new gaming handhelds same stroy. Let's face it my mini pc reviews are dead anyway people want a different style of video.
Is this the best mini gaming pc so far? Just curious where you would rank this so far in the mini pc line up for gaming, your reviews are great, ty for them!
Even it is a rebranded apu, it is still very impressive that it can handle any game on low settings. For an improvement, you must wait for next gen amd apus that has rdna 3,5. Also they will get way more gpu cores for the high end apu.
Yeah it's great but naming this 8000 series seems so misleading. Proper next gen igpu would be really interesting.
got this same cpu in Geekom a8 box and on sale$ 647 out the door shipped anniversary sale I will buy 2 stocks with $150 savings and will see it displace the whole unit in 3 yrs 500% gain I do not need speed Have a macmini M1 so will have not 8gb but 32gb and bigger M.2 drive x 4 1 tb
Subtítulos al español por favor :(
Excelente video, me encanto, ¡espero poder comprarlo!
was checking this out on amazon as a side pc but seems the same as last gen as you mentioned, is the npu any better than the previous 7840hs series? might wait on the arm chips with npu upcoming in summer instead :)
Not bad at all! Great lil lightroom/premiere machine too!
Sure is!
I am surprised with the very low single digit CPU utilization in games even when the GPU is nearly 100%. Is that normal? 2-4%?
89C top for the CPU is very high. Nvidia GPUs throttle at 85C IIRC (never experienced it), I wonder what's the limit for AMD.
Thanks for the review.
That's normal a lot of these games don't need a huge amount of cpu power on the lowest visual setting preset.
@@Techtablets Thank you.
One massive difference (ok, two): max DRAM support - 256 GB vs 96 GB (previous version) and max drive capacity 8 TB vs 2x2 on previous versions (7840HS, 7940Hs)
Okay but I thought that was a thing on the last 7000 series?
hi tech did u mean boost clock 5.1 and it just came out 3.1 Ghz ? 8:40 THANX
I am going to build an 8500G based mini-itx system to replace my work computer, a Hewlett-Packard mini desktop that's really showing it's age now
Does this unit thermal throttle, it seems most of the 8845HS units have thermal issues?
I'm glad that you mentioned these remixes and whatever else they call them, as they are deliberately misleading and therefore, to some extent, a con.
Interesting comments about GMKTec supposedly delaying some review units because of more honest comments. It would do little for their reputation and could begin to harm sales.
However, this should not discourage reviewing these mini PC's though, as otherwise, going by your own statement, who is going to point out the downsides of products?
I have also noted another recent trend from more tech reviewers, who seem to indicate that they are perhaps receiving less money for their content and come across as increasingly desperate for viewers and patrons to keep them alive.This could end up with even more 'favourable' reviews and muddy waters even more.
It's misleading and fraudulent really as it's no upgrade but labeled as such 8845HS sounds better than a 7840HS right but it's not. As for GMktec they have delayed my but other brands have making sure the 100% position, possibly paid it's amazing reviews always go well before mine. Making sure my review unit is delivered a week or 2 after those guys.
Thanks for being conscious about the price.
I hope beelink SER version would come out soon with this processor
They will defiantly have one soon!
Oh and I know what you mean about those kind of reviews. Well, I know the one big channel which makes these amazing reviews.
Annoying indeed and lack of trust, but I do watch it as I would a TV ad.
I hope you don't give up completely on mini PCs.
I won't but no going to review the 20 new 8000 series mini pcs unless they have dgpus or something worthwhile.
@@Techtablets Totally understandable. My only possible objection in this logic is the difference in cooling and other features.
Speaking of which, while I totally get why you don't remove the cooling solution, it would be nice to at least have an idea how easy it is for each of these computers to actually reach the undercarriage and do some maintenance like cleaning the fans etc. Good luck whatever you do.
Chris video game twitch or youtube stream when...haha. Just kidding.
Great review as always. Love your content. :)
Haha no way that would be some bad gameplay and boring!
@@Techtablets 🤣🤣🤣
I prefer lower performance mini PCs, they have less heat issues and are cheap to buy. If you buy one of these more capable ones you pay a lot more. And I'd worry that after that 1 year warranty is over the device would stop working (or even before if you use them regularly). If you buy a standard size computer you have more replaceable components. Sending these mini PCs back to China can be quite expensive, and I'm not sure I'd like my chances there regarding waiting time or getting a return accepted. Also I wish they'd maximize the fan size on these higher performance units. Make it as big as they can while keeping the case size the same. Larger fan means slower rotation and less noise.
I still have some older mini pcs from minis forum and beelink with 5800H etc and they are fine now after a few years I really seem them being as reliable as a normal laptop or desktop. As long as the cooling is good to start with you should be fine.
If the USB4 disconnects it makes it useless if you want to connect an eGPU. Just saying...
Hi, I´ve got the K8 with 16gb and 512gb for 385€(412$) Is the USB 4 Port Capable for an external mid range GPU?
the "other" guys videos are just a showcase. nothing bad is ever said. How they can be called a review I dont know
Basically mini PC should be a GPU sized with proper GPU.
Thank you very much!
I appreciate the content
It's too bad this CPU couldn't have improved upon the performance of the 7945HX, with an even better GPU, plus adding AI. Hopefully the AMD Ryzen 9 8000-series FL1 'HX' successor does this. Though, that probably will happen with Zen 5. Still, this particular PC would need a significantly better (and quieter) CPU cooler.
I got the 7735HS and when I installed the graphic driver, it kept on giving the black screen flickering. When I remove it the flickering goes away but, I cannot run games without the driver. Such a let down. I tried everything.
AMD drivers can be troublesome, try the auto detect updater from AMD.com.
This mini pc can only support 1 monitor?
Is it possible to set a custom fan curve with the great software "fan control"?
I'll have to test that one out.
Greetings, thank you for your impression. Do you know if you can use the second M2 slot with an eGPU? 7900XTX or 4090?
Yes, you can
@@Techtablets Thanks
Save some cash and get something a bit less substantial than a top tier graphics card. Remember that the interface between the CPU and GPU will be limited to PCI 4.0 x4. It would be like trying to drive a Ferrari at full speed on a 2 lane rural road. Try not to skimp on the V-Ram of the GPU. We want to save the bandwidth, not making the GPU call for textures from system memory. Maybe look at a 7800XT or something similar...Even better yet, look for a Mini PC that supports Oculink. You'll get a link speed of 8x. Tests show that even with Oculink a 4090 can take a 17% performance hit. Compared to using a 4070 TI Super, there was no performance loss over Oculink.
I'm not a gamer, would you recommend this as a daily pc or are there cheaper alternatives you can recommend? I just need something that is really snappy, with my most intensive task being running animations while having mutilple web tabs open.
This or the more expensive Minisforum UM780 or UM790 which have better fan noise perfect for snappy daily PC's for almost everything expect new demanding games.
@@Techtablets thanks, I would check those out.
Would love to know what the LANs are, if they Intel or Realtek? Because some of the virtualization software will only work with an Intel LAN. It also seems like the common mistake all these mini-pc companies are doing is putting in fans that are woefully too small.
Realtek both of them.
@@Techtablets Thanks👍
It's strange that all TH-camrs use the same phrase: I'm not paid, they sent me the product so I could review it
Well that's true I haven't been paid but others might have by the sounds of their video... and then once I'm done I'll send this on to the next guy or back to the company. Yes some stuff we do keep but not all of it and I'm not selling my soul for some crappy $500 mini pc.
Duh? They sent product they review it . Saves the youtuber money instead of buying the product.
what I really want to know is how these run LLMs locally. Can you provision more of the system ram to VRAM to run the larger parameter models? Or can the NPU run an LLM and also directly access the system memory?
Sorry haven't tested LLMs on it yet. Hopefully some here has.
On these machines? Not well. In a mobile device, a 4070 (8G) will meet their low spec mode requirements. Usually they are locked to CPU+MEM or GPU+MEM for processing with no in-between. GDDR6 is about double the speed of DDR5 6000. A mobile 4090 (16G) is considered minimum settings but there is no way to maintain a stable performance with a 4090 in a laptop due to power and heat.
To give you an idea:
GPT3 requires 350 GB VRAM
Bloom requires 352 GB VRAM
Llama-2-70b requires 140 GB VRAM
Falcon-40b requires 80 GB VRAM
MPT-30b requires 60 GB VRAM
bigcode/starcoder requires 31 GB VRAM
@@ericneo2Llama2, 33b param (running on Ollama) runs fine on my m1 macbook with 32 gigs of shared RAM. It faster at generating responses than GPT4
@@MrHamncheez My N100 with a web browser can do that too, it's just not running locally.
I have a BEI7HS-1260, do you think its worth the upgrade?
Depends on your use case, what you use it for and if you have exotic needs (64 GB RAM, more USBs, need for high core count / home lab, 10 Gbit LAN via pcie adapter, etc.)
Would you perhaps give the Minisforum UM790 Pro the nod over this one still?
Yes the UM790 and UM780 ITXT are two of the best.
Cheers!
Bro u going to review the magic6 Pro???
Maybe soon, end of the month okay!
OK bro @@Techtablets
@@seansmith6473bro likes to say bro, bro.
Thanks , may you compare 8600g please?
I might do if I can.
Pity honest reviews get the shaft from manufacturers. Given the price of these vs performance, i think I'll build an sff and get full fat performance for not *too* much more unless Intel really knocks it out of the park. The delta between igpus vs a discreet gpu hasn't narrowed enough to put up with the limitations of a minipc vs its price. This Mini PC is $1200 CAD . Thats silly for needing 720p on low settings.
Manufacturers are constantly doing this, making sure a certain type of 100% showcase style maybe paid review goes well before others that could mention bad points and affect their sales. It's all controlled and planned of course. SFF build is the way to do if you don't need that tiny Mini PC 4 x 4 size.
"100% positive, never mention anything bad" hmmmm I wonder who that could be! cough ETA Prime cough
Dude's channel is a glorified ads.
GMKTec also only publishes 5 star reviews ;) I know this first hand.
Mini PC should have "graphics" fans not this small outdated crap that is so noisy. E.g. AOOSTAR GOD 57 has a good vent.
So getting a 7840hs for less cheaper is more worthy than this right?
This one only has AI added to it, so if you NEED it, new one is better.
Otherwise, my miniPC 7840hs gives me a bit higher scores than what you can see here for the new chip.
thnks
@@DS-pk4eh
How to enable AI on CPU?
Hmm, and rumours Win 12 will require 40 TOPs.
Hope not!
No SSD temps while gaming/benching. Why?
Sorry thought they were shown with HWinfo, but they are fine didn't get crazy hot or anything. The liitle fan cooler in their works fine.
@@Techtablets any details about ssd model and *C value? Because for some 60 degree can be fine :) I'm not a fan of hot ssd. My GMKTec K2 just melting SSD without cooling fan
I think we must look at power consumption because I remember this cpu has zen4c core.
I measured 6-8W idle and underload it hit 67W peak from the wall. Sure but doesn't really matter as much with a PC if it was a gaming held held 100% big focus on the wattage.
@Techtablets 6-8W idle????? Yes U're right. It doesn't matter with desktop.
But Jesus Christ thank you. I know I have to buy that thinkbook 14+ 8845h right away when it available.
I just saw Xiaoxin pro r7-8845hs(Ideapad pro name in China) 2,8k screen, 84whrs for less than 900$.
You are the best.
If you are going to review mini PCs, can you please check some models with a discrete GPU? As you said, the run-of-a-chinese-mill Ryzen 8000 pc with 780 GPU are so uninspired and uninteresting. But the ones with discrete GPU have great potential.
Yes I hope to check the 7840hs + 6650M mini pc it's old gen dgpu but should be good for 1080p gaming and if priced right could be good.
Is this better than the Intel Core i7 13th Gen 13700HX ?
IGPU is. CPU similar
54 watt?
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Resolution is 360p not 720p
How so? I set 720p for the resolution.
Ubuntu is supported?
Yes
@@Techtablets would you recommend buying it over the K6? Considering development and not gaming (mostly containers and some ai stuff)
My recommendation is the Minis forum UM780 XTX the best I think for what it offers.
If only they slapped a 120mm noctua fan in there.
I find the AMD 8845hs a very interesting chip. I think you are selling it short. The Windows 11 24H2 update is supposed to a big update. Could the update include AI features that make use of the AMD AI processor. Why don't you make a backup of Windows and install the beta update and see if the new processor is as worthless as you portrayed it to be. 12 is expected to have a large AI component also. This may not make a big difference for gamers with this update, but as AI becomes a greater part our lives AI will be apart of the gamer's life.
I mention unless it's AI there is nothing new. So you are happy with the AI upgrade that's good but compared to the last few gen upgrades this is the worse yet a basic rebrand. Same performance (non AI) same clocks, same core count and same iGPU.
At 600$ Minisforum mini PC with arc 730M gpu IS way BETTER THAN THIS it has a rtx 4050 laptop level GPU
Been looking into this chipset for a potential laptop upgrade from a 6 year old mbp 2018 (i7/16GB DDR3/4 tb ports) and trying to decide if its worth going the windows route or apple mba m3, this gave a decent idea of performance on the latest apu side (was thinking ideapad 5)
I would keep with mac and get the new Macbook Air M3. Might be hard to move to windows after this long?
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Dont recommend buying from gmktec , order that unit 1 month ago , they say shipping time is 5-8 days for my destination waited 1 month contacted them with the question whata happening to my order, they cancel my order instantly now im waiting for a refund aomewhere in the future , very poor customer service i hope at least i can get my money back , dont order
I would guess no HDMI 2.1 because of any extra licensing fees?
Possibly yes but disappointing if others can use hdmi 2.1 spec why can't they?
@@Techtablets I doubt this hardware could reach the max bandwidth of 2.1 anyways. If it lowers the bill, sounds good to me.
Drop a link for the CK shirt!
Just got it from amazon in Spain.
Thought the first 8 meant manufactured in 2024
nuke box!
First
So fast!
Not for this price😂😂😂
MiniPCs have never been and never will be for gaming, I don't understand why all the review videos have to show in games, it's okay to show but how about showing the productivity performance with work?
Because this is what people always ask for the gaming performance with low settings+Res how it performs. I do agree with you.
If it can game to a certain level .. it's generally a decent PC that should have no problem with desktop work. People work and light game on these MiniPCs.