This video showed up randomly in my news feed. It's totally awesome. The horses, the farmer, the mower. I couldn't look away. He obviously takes good care of his animals.
That first guy talking about the moisture content of his hay really reminded me of a Dan Ackroyd lecture on the history of rhythm and blues music. The accent and intonations were spot on, as were the weirdly mistimed emphasis.
What I like the most is the you are putting your horses to work. Nowadays, it's rare for a horse to be more than a giant pet. Again, nothing is new under the sun...
I am so excited at having stumbled upon this channel. Such a mine of interesting information and fantastic videos. Awesome videos. I love heavy horses. 😀
That's very interesting. I would like to see the actual cost of the horses versus the tractor. Feed v/s fuel. Horse care v/s machine maintenance. Replacement costs over the lifespan of each. And oh, the comfort of the farmer with out AC sitting in the hot sun. : )
For the last hour since watching this video ive been running those numbers in my head. Horse purchase vs used tractor purchase will be about equal. Maintenance, longevity, reproduction (if using mares) advantages all go to the horse. Farmer comfort will go to the tractor.... If you spend more. A lot more. Notice his 986 (or whatever model that is) has no a.c. in which case the purchase price will go to the horse as well. You have to put your own price on comfort.
His numbers are a bit off the rocker. I mow 10 to 15 acres an hour with my self propelled Massey Fergeson 13' disc mower. In hay like that I'd be about 3 acres per gallon of diesel. Heavy hay, down near 2 acres per gallon. That is conditioned as well. We run the discs at 1800-2000 rpms. No where near 9000 rpm. Most mowers would max out about 3000. Calls into question a lot of the numbers he's throwing around.
I workrd 10Years for an Environement Service and i was running a Newholland Tn75sa with 2,75m Sicklebar Mowers. We were Mowing small Pieces of Land on lots of different Spots. An other Crew was mowing with 2 Horses and one 2,75 Sicklebar Mower driven by a 20 Hp Gas Engine. The Horsecrew were 3 Man with 2 cars and Trailers. On the end of the Day the Tractor was mowing 4 to 5 times more with about 30 Liters of Diesel for mowing and moving around. The Gas Engine needed 20 Liters of Gas. Walk behind Sicklebar Mowers like the Brielmaier Mower were much more productive and Cost efficent than the Horse Crew.
When doing your math don't forget a tractor only costs money when you use it. I've been around horses my whole life. As much as I enjoy horses, there is a reason tractors and cars replaced horses in the field and on the road.
I got between 7 and 10 acres that we just put back into hay ground and this would be amazing for my field... just picked up a young 2&3yo team of belgians, got quite a bit of equipment for resto, light working, and show more than work hard for a couple years after rebuilding... let alone the early 1900s JD grain binder that i literally will have cut out of the tree and pulled down an old fence to get dug out of a scrap iron pile before it goes on the sale at a family friends... Oh im not looking forward to the amount of time its gonna take to restore it but its gonna look damn good for 2026 at the local threshing bee when we go for another world record attempt too
Yes when the tractor is off the fuel is done but you still have to pay for it. He is making the feed for the horses as well as for his cows. A few years ago I saw a study that you use 10% of your cropland just to buy the fuel or the same number of acres to feed the horses BUT the number of acres to feed the horses doesn't have to be from cropland, it can be from corners and road ditch. AND it costs nothing for replacement engines if you have a mare and a stallion. Can you grow a new tractor??
Im out here in hollywood land i doubt ill ever mow down some hay with horses , but this is full of knowledge thanks for the vids , pat the horses for me .
Charm is in a beautiful area of North East and Central Ohio. The rolling hills can make it a challenge to avoid the Amish biggies so if you go please be alert for them, there are too many who don't. There are a lot of stores, restaurants and attractions. There is a working Amish farm that you can tour. There is a Christmas store that is Christmas decorations that you can no longer find in stores. Ornaments that were common 50+ years ago that disappeared when mini lights became common place. There are camp grounds and bed and breakfasts to spend a day or a week. There were cheese tasting rooms in the cheese manufacturing companies in the area. A candy making and a bakery companies that had sample tasting. I say had because of the virus. I have not been since but Summer and Autumn time in Ohio are my favorite time and place. It's why I live here.
The bottom line is the bottom line. Big fancy equipment will end up owning you. Keep it simple and work. I used to see these old farmers in the restaurant on a clear day laughing and they cried on the bad days in the restaurant. It didn’t take long and it was over for them.
Love it lot of hay being mowed like he sead great for training. With hydrolic stear and i feal let them know its turning and they will learn fast what that turn comand is fast when u comand heee and hit the turn and it turns the horse they lern quick
Have you calculated the total caloric costs per acre: Horse Powered: 1/4 gal Gas per acre + ( ??? Animal Feed) == 7900 kcal (gas) + ??? kcal (horse). Or, another way: what fraction of each acre cut must be invested back into animal feed? Not at all questioning this practice -- It's just that most people have no idea how much work is actually performed by petroleum energy. My questions are prompted by the study of energy use (and limits) by technological civilization. If you could provide a notional answer to what fraction or percent of acre is required for horses to cut one acre? Thank You! --Physicist.
This is cool. Made good points and gave me ideas. That mower could easily/economically be made to be self-propelled with an axle and a hydro pump and motor....sickles don't take much power … So 23 hp would probably be enough to move the whole thing at walking speed of a horse (for those of us that don't have horses).
Remember that the most likely thing to break in a tractor-mower is a single blade, worth a couple of dollars at most and replaced in minutes, so most farmers out chopping silo crops will carry a couple with them. A sickle blade, on the other hand, is a major investment within the machine. Snap that blade, or even a single tooth on it, and you have U/S'ed your mower for potentially weeks.
I enjoy all your videos Jason. You are right. This machine is a game changer for horse farmers. Is the respiration /photosynthesis /drying concept the same for alfalfa/clover as it is for your grass? Seems like it should be.
I love how you completely ignore the fact that sicklebar mowers do not handle rocks, antbeds etc. without breakign teeth and when figuring cost you also ignore the cost of your horses and the upkeep for horses, which is huge compared to the maintenance costs on a tractor and baler.
@@limitedtime5471 unless they’re barefoot - he’s using American Brabants which have good hard feet and can go either way. As far as feed..? They’re making it right there. And you’re right about the baler x wonder what he uses? There’s a nifty video on here where an Amish lady is using 4 horses with a Khuns accumulator. You’d still need the “grabber” amd a bobcat to pick them up but still pretty cool
Way to go why don't you put some sticks on the end of your mower so you can see where it's at would probably make it easier to guide yourself. I remember doing this with my grandfather Thanks for the memory keep up the good work or is it play
I def agree but anymore draft horses bringing 10-12,000$ a piece it’s hard justifying costs. Especially when they need gas every day n not just when you’re mowing hay. Tractor will not continue to burn that fuel once the jobs done right ?
I'm confused? This is crazy for my brain... A quart per acre of gas...what about the feed it's not just good grass? I've asked my friends to watch....Please fill me in.
@@rtoddharris Yes, Organic farms use fertilizer. As long as it is considered "natural", it can be used. Chilean Nitrate, Potassium sulfate, Potassium chloride, etc. Also, any kind of manure and compost, as long as it hasn't been treated, can be used. It also depends on the certifier. Any farm, organic or not, HAS to replace what is removed or production will stop.
Of course he uses manure but if you were knowledgable about this particular farmer, then you would k ni ow that and wouldnt bevrambling bvb trying to be a smart guy.
They look great out their giving the horse their job back working horse is indangered anamal in usa .its not to commin to see the horse working the field even when people have them their still working with the tractors and use horse hear and their.
What?!? a Gallon an acre? I think you got a fuel leak. I cut with a 4840 (215hp) and a 15 foot Gehl 2415 disc mower conditioner. I've checked several times, and it burns .5-.6 gallon per acre. AND I am conditioning the hay. 4840s aren't very fuel efficient tractors compared to newer models. When I'm done, I can park it in the shed for a week and not look at it. Do that with your horses.
Also, my 4840 is worth 15k and my mower is worth 8k, that's 23k. Your 966 (?) is probably worth 12k and the Deere MoCo is worth maybe $8k (don't really follow Deere side pull MoCo values, so maybe a little off one way or the other). That machine is nice, but $36,000? It's a nice machine, but worthless if you don't have $15,000 worth of horses to pull/push it...
His tractor is worth 12k max, probably less. Looks to be a 9 or 1066. It's not a blackstripe, so it's and earlier model. He overvalues the MoCo by a lot, too
That yoke is a joke driven by an engine and pulled by horses what’s the sense in that ‘ go and get a ground driven meadow horse mower and don’t be mixing the past with future ‘ yoke it up to 2 horses and we will then see how good u are ‘ I tell u one thing u won’t have much time for talking ‘ try some day and mow heavy meadow with horses and a 100 year horse mower that will test u out I can tell u that 😢
I think it's perfectly ok if you want to things the old way. I also think it's perfectly ok to take today's engineering and technology and apply it to the old ways to upgrade how we do things. I'd be willing to bet Jason has spent plenty of time on a ground driver mower and decided for himself and his horses, to upgrade. A little bit of both worlds, a tad mechanical, a tad old school. More acres mowed per hour, easier on horses necks, easier on the farmer.
And you are an idiot! So you watch something and rather than turn it off you continue to watch and leave a comment. I guarantee if you had have the sense of Jason worked as hard as him you would appreciate what he is doing. Go troll somewhere else, better yet get a job and go contribute to society rather than criticizing people who are contributing on you tube - what a coward.
Brad I agree with you. Dale how long have you been farming with horses, how long have you been farming. I have been farming as long as Jason and I can assure you he is not full of himself he just happens to know a hell of a lot more than you. You would be better off contributing to society rather than pointing a finger at others for your short comings. Go work with Jason and his wife for a day, they are up before the sun in bed well after dark and they are setting the standard for farming with horses. Let me know when the last time was you met Jason in person or worked half as hard as he and his wife. Once you have done that you can start casting stones
I got the same feeling but I think it's just that he has confidence and he has to shout over the noise of the wind and the engine … So it comes off a little bit hard
I love seeing modern technology combined with horsepower and old heritage skills.
This video showed up randomly in my news feed. It's totally awesome. The horses, the farmer, the mower. I couldn't look away. He obviously takes good care of his animals.
That first guy talking about the moisture content of his hay really reminded me of a Dan Ackroyd lecture on the history of rhythm and blues music. The accent and intonations were spot on, as were the weirdly mistimed emphasis.
What I like the most is the you are putting your horses to work. Nowadays, it's rare for a horse to be more than a giant pet.
Again, nothing is new under the sun...
Love this guy, he use to produce his own videos absolutely my idol love how this guy farms and how he is with his horse
I am so excited at having stumbled upon this channel. Such a mine of interesting information and fantastic videos. Awesome videos. I love heavy horses. 😀
Interesting video friend thanks again from Scotland
This is to share info. I am surprised some seem to be offended?? Watch, listen and learn...
I know My Team Pete and Mike were on with two of Jasons and I was impressed with the machine and his horses!!!
Hey.... Charm, OH...thats my neck of the woods. Great video
Same here.
That's very interesting. I would like to see the actual cost of the horses versus the tractor. Feed v/s fuel. Horse care v/s machine maintenance. Replacement costs over the lifespan of each.
And oh, the comfort of the farmer with out AC sitting in the hot sun. : )
For the last hour since watching this video ive been running those numbers in my head. Horse purchase vs used tractor purchase will be about equal. Maintenance, longevity, reproduction (if using mares) advantages all go to the horse. Farmer comfort will go to the tractor.... If you spend more. A lot more. Notice his 986 (or whatever model that is) has no a.c. in which case the purchase price will go to the horse as well. You have to put your own price on comfort.
Dont forget when your in a tractor a lot of the extra heat comes from the engine itself ;)
His numbers are a bit off the rocker. I mow 10 to 15 acres an hour with my self propelled Massey Fergeson 13' disc mower. In hay like that I'd be about 3 acres per gallon of diesel. Heavy hay, down near 2 acres per gallon. That is conditioned as well. We run the discs at 1800-2000 rpms. No where near 9000 rpm. Most mowers would max out about 3000. Calls into question a lot of the numbers he's throwing around.
I workrd 10Years for an Environement Service and i was running a Newholland Tn75sa with 2,75m Sicklebar Mowers.
We were Mowing small Pieces of Land on lots of different Spots.
An other Crew was mowing with 2 Horses and one 2,75 Sicklebar Mower driven by a 20 Hp Gas Engine.
The Horsecrew were 3 Man with 2 cars and Trailers.
On the end of the Day the Tractor was mowing 4 to 5 times more with about 30 Liters of Diesel for mowing and moving around.
The Gas Engine needed 20 Liters of Gas.
Walk behind Sicklebar Mowers like the Brielmaier Mower were much more productive and Cost efficent than the Horse Crew.
When doing your math don't forget a tractor only costs money when you use it.
I've been around horses my whole life. As much as I enjoy horses, there is a reason tractors and cars replaced horses in the field and on the road.
I got between 7 and 10 acres that we just put back into hay ground and this would be amazing for my field... just picked up a young 2&3yo team of belgians, got quite a bit of equipment for resto, light working, and show more than work hard for a couple years after rebuilding... let alone the early 1900s JD grain binder that i literally will have cut out of the tree and pulled down an old fence to get dug out of a scrap iron pile before it goes on the sale at a family friends...
Oh im not looking forward to the amount of time its gonna take to restore it but its gonna look damn good for 2026 at the local threshing bee when we go for another world record attempt too
You work with horses because you love it. When the tractor shuts off the fuel is done. When you get done with the horses they still need to be fed.
Yes but it can be done and cost competitive
Yes when the tractor is off the fuel is done but you still have to pay for it. He is making the feed for the horses as well as for his cows.
A few years ago I saw a study that you use 10% of your cropland just to buy the fuel or the same number of acres to feed the horses BUT the number of acres to feed the horses doesn't have to be from cropland, it can be from corners and road ditch. AND it costs nothing for replacement engines if you have a mare and a stallion. Can you grow a new tractor??
Im out here in hollywood land i doubt ill ever mow down some hay with horses , but this is full of knowledge thanks for the vids , pat the horses for me .
Charm is in a beautiful area of North East and Central Ohio. The rolling hills can make it a challenge to avoid the Amish biggies so if you go please be alert for them, there are too many who don't. There are a lot of stores, restaurants and attractions. There is a working Amish farm that you can tour. There is a Christmas store that is Christmas decorations that you can no longer find in stores. Ornaments that were common 50+ years ago that disappeared when mini lights became common place. There are camp grounds and bed and breakfasts to spend a day or a week. There were cheese tasting rooms in the cheese manufacturing companies in the area. A candy making and a bakery companies that had sample tasting. I say had because of the virus. I have not been since but Summer and Autumn time in Ohio are my favorite time and place. It's why I live here.
I like this hay cutter and I plan to get one in the near future. How do you bale your hay/what equipment do you use?
Thanks for sharing!
How old are you
Is there a website for this mower? Anyway I can find out more about it?
The bottom line is the bottom line. Big fancy equipment will end up owning you. Keep it simple and work. I used to see these old farmers in the restaurant on a clear day laughing and they cried on the bad days in the restaurant. It didn’t take long and it was over for them.
Love it lot of hay being mowed like he sead great for training. With hydrolic stear and i feal let them know its turning and they will learn fast what that turn comand is fast when u comand heee and hit the turn and it turns the horse they lern quick
Have you calculated the total caloric costs per acre: Horse Powered: 1/4 gal Gas per acre + ( ??? Animal Feed) == 7900 kcal (gas) + ??? kcal (horse). Or, another way: what fraction of each acre cut must be invested back into animal feed? Not at all questioning this practice -- It's just that most people have no idea how much work is actually performed by petroleum energy. My questions are prompted by the study of energy use (and limits) by technological civilization. If you could provide a notional answer to what fraction or percent of acre is required for horses to cut one acre? Thank You! --Physicist.
This is cool. Made good points and gave me ideas. That mower could easily/economically be made to be self-propelled with an axle and a hydro pump and motor....sickles don't take much power … So 23 hp would probably be enough to move the whole thing at walking speed of a horse (for those of us that don't have horses).
Remember that the most likely thing to break in a tractor-mower is a single blade, worth a couple of dollars at most and replaced in minutes, so most farmers out chopping silo crops will carry a couple with them. A sickle blade, on the other hand, is a major investment within the machine. Snap that blade, or even a single tooth on it, and you have U/S'ed your mower for potentially weeks.
Horses are smart and probly like how they see the work they are doing they are seing it mow and like it the horses like to see what is going on
Could a hydraulic pump work with an electric battery powered engine.
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I enjoy all your videos Jason. You are right. This machine is a game changer for horse farmers. Is the respiration /photosynthesis /drying concept the same for alfalfa/clover as it is for your grass? Seems like it should be.
What is the gross weight of the machine?
Do you have to buy a separate baler machine?
I love how you completely ignore the fact that sicklebar mowers do not handle rocks, antbeds etc. without breakign teeth and when figuring cost you also ignore the cost of your horses and the upkeep for horses, which is huge compared to the maintenance costs on a tractor and baler.
Got to be $1k yearly minimum to keep the herd shod or trimmed.
@@limitedtime5471 unless they’re barefoot - he’s using American Brabants which have good hard feet and can go either way. As far as feed..? They’re making it right there. And you’re right about the baler x wonder what he uses? There’s a nifty video on here where an Amish lady is using 4 horses with a Khuns accumulator. You’d still need the “grabber” amd a bobcat to pick them up but still pretty cool
Way to go why don't you put some sticks on the end of your mower so you can see where it's at would probably make it easier to guide yourself. I remember doing this with my grandfather Thanks for the memory keep up the good work or is it play
I def agree but anymore draft horses bringing 10-12,000$ a piece it’s hard justifying costs. Especially when they need gas every day n not just when you’re mowing hay. Tractor will not continue to burn that fuel once the jobs done right ?
What breed of horses are they?
I believe he said they are American Brabants.
I'm confused? This is crazy for my brain... A quart per acre of gas...what about the feed it's not just good grass? I've asked my friends to watch....Please fill me in.
Would be great with an electric engine, if the batteries don,t get to heavy. No gas, no emissions and no noise :)
Dident realize this was jason he lost lot of weight
Grass looks like it could use some fertilizer
He is certified grass and legume organic; he dont use fertilizer
@@rtoddharris Yes, Organic farms use fertilizer. As long as it is considered "natural", it can be used. Chilean Nitrate, Potassium sulfate, Potassium chloride, etc. Also, any kind of manure and compost, as long as it hasn't been treated, can be used. It also depends on the certifier. Any farm, organic or not, HAS to replace what is removed or production will stop.
Did he ever hear of cow shite ‘ best fertilizer of all
Of course he uses manure but if you were knowledgable about this particular farmer, then you would k ni ow that and wouldnt bevrambling bvb trying to be a smart guy.
@@martinbyrne6643 Gee! He may have since he is a DAIRY (look it up in a dictionary) farmer. Never mind "best fertilizer"???
They look great out their giving the horse their job back working horse is indangered anamal in usa .its not to commin to see the horse working the field even when people have them their still working with the tractors and use horse hear and their.
What?!? a Gallon an acre? I think you got a fuel leak. I cut with a 4840 (215hp) and a 15 foot Gehl 2415 disc mower conditioner. I've checked several times, and it burns .5-.6 gallon per acre. AND I am conditioning the hay. 4840s aren't very fuel efficient tractors compared to newer models. When I'm done, I can park it in the shed for a week and not look at it. Do that with your horses.
Also, my 4840 is worth 15k and my mower is worth 8k, that's 23k. Your 966 (?) is probably worth 12k and the Deere MoCo is worth maybe $8k (don't really follow Deere side pull MoCo values, so maybe a little off one way or the other). That machine is nice, but $36,000? It's a nice machine, but worthless if you don't have $15,000 worth of horses to pull/push it...
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His tractor is worth 12k max, probably less. Looks to be a 9 or 1066. It's not a blackstripe, so it's and earlier model. He overvalues the MoCo by a lot, too
That yoke is a joke driven by an engine and pulled by horses what’s the sense in that ‘ go and get a ground driven meadow horse mower and don’t be mixing the past with future ‘ yoke it up to 2 horses and we will then see how good u are ‘ I tell u one thing u won’t have much time for talking ‘ try some day and mow heavy meadow with horses and a 100 year horse mower that will test u out I can tell u that 😢
I think it's perfectly ok if you want to things the old way. I also think it's perfectly ok to take today's engineering and technology and apply it to the old ways to upgrade how we do things. I'd be willing to bet Jason has spent plenty of time on a ground driver mower and decided for himself and his horses, to upgrade. A little bit of both worlds, a tad mechanical, a tad old school. More acres mowed per hour, easier on horses necks, easier on the farmer.
Fantail Farm ok fair enough’ nice horses u have there ‘ lively to look at them all harnessed up
This guy is so annoying
And you are an idiot! So you watch something and rather than turn it off you continue to watch and leave a comment. I guarantee if you had have the sense of Jason worked as hard as him you would appreciate what he is doing. Go troll somewhere else, better yet get a job and go contribute to society rather than criticizing people who are contributing on you tube - what a coward.
And your point?
this guy is full of himself
Brad I agree with you. Dale how long have you been farming with horses, how long have you been farming. I have been farming as long as Jason and I can assure you he is not full of himself he just happens to know a hell of a lot more than you. You would be better off contributing to society rather than pointing a finger at others for your short comings. Go work with Jason and his wife for a day, they are up before the sun in bed well after dark and they are setting the standard for farming with horses. Let me know when the last time was you met Jason in person or worked half as hard as he and his wife. Once you have done that you can start casting stones
You it pisses you off he knows what he is doing and you have no clue?
I got the same feeling but I think it's just that he has confidence and he has to shout over the noise of the wind and the engine … So it comes off a little bit hard