Its important to remember that these are all trap beats. This is such a small area of music. Would be amazing to see this done with other genres. There's potential for a whole series!
Honestly that question is really dependent on the genres. Honestly some genres you get enough rhythm from the melody without the need for much drums like soul, jazz, and traditional gospel and there are others that are drums or die, like Reggae, Hip Hop (and ALL of its subsets), and afrobeat. Of course there is Pop, Rock, and Metal where both are absolutely essential or else it would be what it is.
Indeed. I would very much say it is genre dependent. Think about a minimalistic techno track... that's mostly gonna be driven by the drums and just some melody accents. Then at the same time, a throwback eurodance track would always have the same drums and be completely reliant on the melody hook...
I loved beat 2 more! ...the guy who made the drums as a beginner did a good job but needed to crank them up a little. the drums were ok but too low. And about the first beat, of course the melody was too basic, but also I feel like the hi hat was too loud and the 808 too saturated or over clipping. I had to reduce a litte my studio headphones but it hit hard. Both had their good and bad. we are here to learn and get experience. thanks to all who participated.
I think it was purposely done that way, knowing that you can still make adjustments to your taste… even on Type beats here on TH-cam, the HiHat is always loud with clipping 808s
Tbh this video totally changed my mind on the importance of drums. I always thought the melody was the key but I’m realizing the drums can really make or break a song!
I recently thought about this, pretty interesting video simon. Both are super strong and lead the song, having a good melody elevates a song to another level, but so do the drums.
Loved this experiment. The important of the two components don't really differ, since they are both required to make a complete beat composition but drums are just something that I think the average listener picks out as listening markers. The thing that stitches your melody to the template.
My take on Drums vs Melody: I rarely, if ever, make the staaaank face to just a melody.... BUT when you gimmie some crazy HARD hitting drums that STAAAANK face might be coming out!
Great video! I've got an ideea, what if you make Artist Vs Producer? Just like you did in this video. A team with a beginner producer and an expert artist and a team with an expert producer and a beginner artist. EDIT: If you are using premiere pro, you can actually remove the background noise by selecting the audio, then going to essential sound, preset-dialogue-clean up noisy dialogue. There you have the section "repair" where you can reduce noise (the bg noise), humble (I wouldn't recommend), de hum, de ess and reduce reverb. Hope this would help you!
0:40 But it’s actually the reverse when you talk about a producer like Decap. With him, it’s like melodies are just melodies…the DRUMS are what really distinguishes his tracks. 🔥🤷🏽♂️
Simon, I hope you see this. So In my opinion, both are important for their own reasons. The drums are like the nervous system and the melody is the skeletal system. The drums add to the song and make it sound better but the melody is the base for the song
Both are important, its like bread, Peanut butter and jelly. Bread is the vocal Pj is the melody Jelly is the drums Individually all can be eaten and sufficient. You can have all three at the same time and have the best blend
Hi Simon, I hope this message finds you well. I'm a huge fan of your work and really enjoy watching your videos on TH-cam. I have a small request. I've noticed that you've never created a type of beat featured in the song "Inna - Hot," which has similarities to "Mr. Saxobeat." They are popular songs from Romania I think. Could you consider making a remake of "Inna - Hot" or something similar in a future TH-cam video? That would be awesome!
I feel the main thing that differentiates a new producer to a seasoned one is the melody i started out just laying drums over loops because it was much easier So i would choose melody is slightly more important Music is rhythm (drums) and feelings (melody)
when there's more rhythm involved in the sample itself, it allows you to do less with the drums as it does actually create movement. As well as factoring in melodic elements with call and response; because it fills out a lot of space in areas you might think to add drums, to compensate for the space. With that said, it works vice versa imo.
depends on the genre, but for most genres the melody is more important, for example jazz and classical doesnt need, and most of the time, doesnt have drums, but breakcore or any extentions of it (drum and bass etc).most rock, metal, grunge, punk, and most of that kind of similliar stuff is mostly melody, ambient aswell hiphop probably not but stuff like ambient pop and most genres melody is more important
i just felt like the first beat was expert melody + expert drums lol i thought this was gonna be more like, bad melody and good drums vs good melody and bad drums, but not really, both were good beats, it all came down to personal preference really
Hey maybe it's the bass, the bass is fondamental to your beats as it's actively being both a good rythmic and melodic element to your track. But anyway honestly yeah the answer is that both melody and drums are equally important.
I think when you got simple sample you have more room for Complex drumz, and when you got complex sample, i mean alot complex rythm, counter points you need simple drumz. Thougts?
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There should be a pt. 2 where the drums get made first to see if it's just the producer expertise level or really a drums vs melody debate
this !!!
+1
and they should just make a straight up beat & not think about any artists/rappers to jump on it.
Yeppp
Its important to remember that these are all trap beats. This is such a small area of music. Would be amazing to see this done with other genres. There's potential for a whole series!
Agree. Would love to see more of this, and I personally would like to see some EDM in the future
Drum and bass: which is more important, drum or bass? 😂
Thanks for the opportunity Simon for having me in this video!
MY BRO U ARE FIRE WITH THOSE MELODIES🔥🔥🔥
Bro your an amazing producer
Who misses the days when simon used to drop the road to a placement videos🙋🏽♂️
Yooooo thank you Simon for having me on this! Both beats turned out super dope🔥🔥 lmk when our drake placement hits🤝🤝🤝
Honestly that question is really dependent on the genres. Honestly some genres you get enough rhythm from the melody without the need for much drums like soul, jazz, and traditional gospel and there are others that are drums or die, like Reggae, Hip Hop (and ALL of its subsets), and afrobeat.
Of course there is Pop, Rock, and Metal where both are absolutely essential or else it would be what it is.
Indeed. I would very much say it is genre dependent. Think about a minimalistic techno track... that's mostly gonna be driven by the drums and just some melody accents. Then at the same time, a throwback eurodance track would always have the same drums and be completely reliant on the melody hook...
I couldn't agree more with this
I loved beat 2 more! ...the guy who made the drums as a beginner did a good job but needed to crank them up a little. the drums were ok but too low. And about the first beat, of course the melody was too basic, but also I feel like the hi hat was too loud and the 808 too saturated or over clipping. I had to reduce a litte my studio headphones but it hit hard. Both had their good and bad. we are here to learn and get experience. thanks to all who participated.
I second what this guy said.
You can fix bad drums but a bad melody is just ... BAD
@@johndav_iD true
I think it was purposely done that way, knowing that you can still make adjustments to your taste… even on Type beats here on TH-cam, the HiHat is always loud with clipping 808s
idk this was obviously trying to give the melody the spotlight. Laos it was lofi esc so im glad it was more quiet.
That second beat was insane
Second beat super dope. Chase that dude
A very great job to all producers in it. Also I got to say this gives me more ideas on how to make my song that I want to make. Thanks guys.
The one on the toilet was insane 💀
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Production quality has improved like crazy man 🔥🔥🔥. Always hyped when Simon drops a new video keep up the awesome work and constant improvement!!
Now Breakdown like that and 7minute drill!!!! Thats fayuuuuh 🔥🔥💯
Tbh this video totally changed my mind on the importance of drums. I always thought the melody was the key but I’m realizing the drums can really make or break a song!
Honestly I liked both equally. They're both very listenable. I loved this experiment
Looool!! I really loved the second beat 😅 , was sure it was gonna win 😂
Nah that 2nd beat was crazy
Hey thanks for including my comment i love your videos
i love this guy , super talented and i have his first course ever pro level beats !! was soo good !!! great producer info found here!
Super dope videos Simon I personally suck at melodies so this video was like uplifting for me
Yh sure we would love to see another video ❤
Yo simon keep experimenting with topics like these love your work from day one love you always ❤
Beat 2 is so fuego
I love your ideas
2nd one go crazy
I recently thought about this, pretty interesting video simon. Both are super strong and lead the song, having a good melody elevates a song to another level, but so do the drums.
ooohhh I love the color grading on this one ♥
I want to be on the part 2 praying rn!!!
wow the editing for this video is amazing
1:33 the background beat bro 🔥🔥
Loved this experiment. The important of the two components don't really differ, since they are both required to make a complete beat composition but drums are just something that I think the average listener picks out as listening markers. The thing that stitches your melody to the template.
Great video concept
I love these kinds of videos
Id be curious to see how this would pan out with EDM producers
ooo simone musica be dropping more vids 👀
My take on Drums vs Melody:
I rarely, if ever, make the staaaank face to just a melody.... BUT when you gimmie some crazy HARD hitting drums that STAAAANK face might be coming out!
Thinking about being here since he was in his basement making Kerosene is crazy to me. Thanks to all these great tutorials simon
Can we talk about how Kendel Bell’s FL studio color scheme is as fire 🔥 as her drum beat??? 5:21
Hooolyyyyy, mad editing,mad video quality bro
Thanks for the great informations
I was absolutely expecting beat 2 to win
Each can exist well on their own, but together they sound a lot better😁👍.
Great video! I've got an ideea, what if you make Artist Vs Producer? Just like you did in this video. A team with a beginner producer and an expert artist and a team with an expert producer and a beginner artist.
EDIT: If you are using premiere pro, you can actually remove the background noise by selecting the audio, then going to essential sound, preset-dialogue-clean up noisy dialogue. There you have the section "repair" where you can reduce noise (the bg noise), humble (I wouldn't recommend), de hum, de ess and reduce reverb. Hope this would help you!
This was cool.🙏
Drums = heart
Melody = soul
0:40 But it’s actually the reverse when you talk about a producer like Decap. With him, it’s like melodies are just melodies…the DRUMS are what really distinguishes his tracks. 🔥🤷🏽♂️
I needed this
Simon is the guy 👌🏾🔥
Simon, I hope you see this. So In my opinion, both are important for their own reasons. The drums are like the nervous system and the melody is the skeletal system. The drums add to the song and make it sound better but the melody is the base for the song
Das me in the intro less gooooooo
simon i love the vids man ive been watching for 2 years and u inspired me to start making beats
IMO it depends on the genre. You can't have weak drums in trap or drill, but you can in pop and R&B. Just different requirements for each
for me tha answer is ovbiuos, i often listen to music without drums so... (i like the points metioned in this video tho)
Simon, lemmie make da drums next time 😂
I can hear Bryson tiller on Simon’s loop 🔥
Gg Simon! Could you do the same beggining with the drums, then set the melody ? I would be interesting to compare and we could have a real answer haha
Spoiler alert : no real answer for the question haha
Both are important, its like bread, Peanut butter and jelly.
Bread is the vocal
Pj is the melody
Jelly is the drums
Individually all can be eaten and sufficient. You can have all three at the same time and have the best blend
melody on top
Hi Simon,
I hope this message finds you well. I'm a huge fan of your work and really enjoy watching your videos on TH-cam. I have a small request. I've noticed that you've never created a type of beat featured in the song "Inna - Hot," which has similarities to "Mr. Saxobeat." They are popular songs from Romania I think. Could you consider making a remake of "Inna - Hot" or something similar in a future TH-cam video? That would be awesome!
Other challenge 3 vs 3 - 2:30 min the song.
Beatmaker, Artist, Production Director.
1 Sound to the same teams.
2/4 words to the both teams.
SIMON, update on placement series?
I feel the main thing that differentiates a new producer to a seasoned one is the melody i started out just laying drums over loops because it was much easier
So i would choose melody is slightly more important
Music is rhythm (drums) and feelings (melody)
I can answer this mystery by naming one song: In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins
when there's more rhythm involved in the sample itself, it allows you to do less with the drums as it does actually create movement. As well as factoring in melodic elements with call and response; because it fills out a lot of space in areas you might think to add drums, to compensate for the space. With that said, it works vice versa imo.
"i doesn't want to over do it"
proceeds to put the hardest drums
Nice bro 💥
As someone who makes beats. My strength is melody but Drums always kill my beats cause I suck at drums despite practicing them for eons now.
sad, that such a high effort video isnt performing :(
depends on the genre, but for most genres the melody is more important, for example jazz and classical doesnt need, and most of the time, doesnt have drums, but breakcore or any extentions of it (drum and bass etc).most rock, metal, grunge, punk, and most of that kind of similliar stuff is mostly melody, ambient aswell hiphop probably not but stuff like ambient pop and most genres melody is more important
i just felt like the first beat was expert melody + expert drums lol
i thought this was gonna be more like, bad melody and good drums vs good melody and bad drums, but not really, both were good beats, it all came down to personal preference really
Yooooooooo
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Simon you crazy. Filmed himself taking a dudu. 😂😂😂
Nice 👍
Watching from indonesia❤
We got Simon shitting on the toilet before gta 6 0:48
Before i watch this my answer is "Melody", now let me watch🙂
Nahhh he kickin his legs 😭😭
pop off simon
Those drums on Beat One were indeed “Schmacking” 😂 beat One was Gas.
Simon where can we get that sample you made in this video!?
If those drums on beat 2 were a touch louder then i think that woulda been much better then beat 2
Hey maybe it's the bass, the bass is fondamental to your beats as it's actively being both a good rythmic and melodic element to your track. But anyway honestly yeah the answer is that both melody and drums are equally important.
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Hey I’m in there
Well, melody without rythm is just bunch of notes, rythm without melody is just banging.
I think when you got simple sample you have more room for Complex drumz, and when you got complex sample, i mean alot complex rythm, counter points you need simple drumz.
Thougts?
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how does one become a contestant? i've been making music for over 10 years and would love the opportunity to compete on one of these
Cool
free feet is crazy
Simon... I need help... How can I do a full song mastering 😢
It's obviously drums. Grindin' by Clipse, The Motto by Drake. Both were hits without a melody. Now name a Hip Hop hit without drums, I'll wait.
Nah, it's the 808
”does that mean you should get my drumkit Capital drumkit five, which is on sale on my store right now?
Simon - NOOO😂😂😂
Do a making the drums into a melody and melody into drums challenge. Just thought of that idk
I think it depends on the genre, usually.
Wait, he just said that, nvrmnd. 😂
A vocal is the lead melody and more important until a drum or lead solo..
what did i just see simon do😂😂😂
I just talked to my melodies and yeah... they are kinda pissed but it had to be settled i understand
Does 808 count towards melody or drums 🤔