How Ignoring Deadlines Turned Deadly | The Crash Of Azza Transport Flight 2241

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    This is the story of azza airways flight 2241, on the 21st of october 2009 a azza airways boeing 707 was on the ground at sharjah international airport. This 707 was owned by azza airways but it was operated by sudan airways it was to fly to Khartoum international airport in Sudan. This was a cargo plane and today it would be flying everything from air conditioning units, car parts, computers and tools.
    At 11:08 am UTC, the plane pushed back from the cargo area bound for runway 30 with a crew of 6. As the plane taxied the controller gave the crew everything they needed for the take off, squawk codes, altitudes frequencies, all of it. Flight 2241 was asked to line up and wait on runway 30.
    There was a slight 10 knot wind blowing in from 320 degrees as they lined up on runway 30. With that the plane started down runway 30 and it lifted off, shortly after lifting off the crew lost engine number 4. They informed the controller that they had lost engine number 4, the controller pushed the crash alarm and let the crew know that both runways were available for an emergency landing But no reply came from the crew, the controller watched on as the plane entered a right bank, At first it was a small bank but as the controller watched the bank grew and grew and the large 707 started to lose altitude. The plane was soon in a 90 degree right bank as the controller looked on in horror.
    After almost a minute of flight the 707 impacted the ground.It hit the ground .8 nm from the airport. None of the 6 people onboard made it, no one on the ground was injured.
    But the investigation started not at the crash site but at runway 30, the runway from which the plane had departed. They found the cowlings of engine number 4 , battered and bent on the runway. The cowling is the outside covering of the engine, a shell if you will. From the looks of it the cowling came off as the plane took off, they decided to investigate further. They looked at the history of the cowlings in question. But first let's talk about the cowlings themselves, the cowlings cover the engine and so they are cylindrical, the cowling is made up of two halves, the bottom part is held together with 6 latches and at the top its fixed to the wing pylon by hinges.
    Delving into the maintenance history they found that the no4 engine cowlings had been written up during a maintenance check in 2009, they found that the engine cowling was very hard to open and close and upon further inspection they found that the cowlings were bent, the repairs were carried out, Another check a few months later called for the inspection of the cowlings themselves, the hooks fasteners the hinges and all of the supporting items of the cowlings. The documents showed that these inspections and the repairs had taken place but the repairs on the cowlings looked old, they looked so old that they probably predated both the maintenance checks. That's not all they found bent alignment pins and double holes in the latches that held both of the cowlings halves together.This is indicative of force being applied to mate the two halves together, they should ideally just latch in place. They found more proof that the two cowling halves werent lined up properly when it was secured in place, they found that the guide pin in one of the latches never went into the hole that it needed to go into, instead the protruding pin created another hole right next to the hole that it was supposed to go into. Other parts found on the runway also showed poor quality repairs, the welding wasn't done properly, wrong
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  • @XcRunner1031
    @XcRunner1031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    "If you neglect to maintain your plane, just know, it's not a question of if, but a question of when." This should be in huge letters in every hangar.

    • @gosportjamie
      @gosportjamie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      But you've still got the fight with the "it won't happen to me" mindset. Most of these only find out that it will happen when they're plunging towards the earth and about to make a large, often fiery, dent in it. There's none so blind as those that don't want to see...

    • @TTFerdinand
      @TTFerdinand 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gosportjamie It's even worse if it's "It won't happen to me because I'm an aircraft mechanic and I would never fly in one."

    • @AttilaAsztalos
      @AttilaAsztalos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hangar, yes, but MUCH more than that in the offices where the penny-pinching upper management is having a nice friendly cup of tea with the auditor who only dropped in for the check mark on their time sheet.

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're assuming that the workers would give a sh!t.

  • @rilmar2137
    @rilmar2137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    Very important point at the end. Cutting corners in terms of maintenance is basically telling your crews and pax "Some of you may die but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"

    • @liquidh6344
      @liquidh6344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Lord Farquaad speech. Haha

    • @patrickmollohan3082
      @patrickmollohan3082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Testify Brother, Testify!!

    • @ylstorage7085
      @ylstorage7085 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Somebody is gonna get a dying real bad
      Somebody
      I m not telling you who
      but you may know him very well.

    • @jdtown6585
      @jdtown6585 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Upper management need to start going to prison for decisions like this.

    • @ENCHANTMEN_
      @ENCHANTMEN_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You save a small amount of money in the short term and lose a bunch of money in the long term... It never pays off

  • @Ya-average-11B
    @Ya-average-11B 3 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    It still blows my mind how investigators can figure out the chain of events that took place even from burned wreckage. Awesome video bro!

    • @icannotpretend5834
      @icannotpretend5834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ikr!? Its brilliant.

    • @ARCANEmateCLAN
      @ARCANEmateCLAN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Very important for the aviation industry to do these detailed investigations, it keeps us safe and them in business.

    • @calyodelphi124
      @calyodelphi124 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Before CVRs and FDRs were a thing, and even before those two instruments recorded enough data to be particularly useful or were durable enough to withstand just about anything an air crash could throw them into, that was basically all that investigators *could* do to figure out the chain of events.
      And they got REALLY GOOD at it.

    • @Syclone0044
      @Syclone0044 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It’s definitely amazing! But at the same time neither is it a magical superpower. For instance I remember learning that they could determine with confidence whether or not the engines were operating at the time of crash and I was pretty impressed how could they possibly know that without a FDR?
      Then I saw a show that illustrated it - the turbine/compressor blades spin at really high RPM with very small clearance between the tip of the blades and the engine cowlings/inlets surrounding them.
      So when the engine is operating and suddenly suffers an impact into terrain, it’s going to scratch the hell out of the inside of the cowling as the blade tips scrape and dig grooves into the metal until they grind to a halt.
      When the metal is still perfectly smooth, it’s much more likely the engine may not have been operating at time of impact, or else it would’ve gotten scratched.

    • @karllegrand
      @karllegrand 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      More suprising is that trained mechanics did not see in forehand on a proper plane what investigators can find out on a burned out destroyed wreck...

  • @geoffreyludkin8672
    @geoffreyludkin8672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    You have jumped to the head of the line with your videos. The addition of simulation and detailed diagrams have made your creations something I look forward to and made you one of the Big Three. Thanks for your fascinating work!

    • @momchilandonov
      @momchilandonov 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mentour Pilot the second. Who is the third?

  • @timgooding2448
    @timgooding2448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Hey must say the quality of your videos is so much better than even 3 months ago. I don't know when I started subscribing but you had less than 5k at that time. Keep it up mate. great content.

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thanks Tim, thanks for pushing me to get better

    • @timgooding2448
      @timgooding2448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Have you considered going to a longer format? Say 12-14minutes.

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Actually yeah a few of my videos are already at that length. I’ve found that 11-12 is the sweet spot, but longer videos are coming, especially for the recent crashes in 2020

    • @timgooding2448
      @timgooding2448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Look forward to some longer more in depth vids. 2020 was not a good year.

    • @DavidCowie2022
      @DavidCowie2022 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@timgooding2448 Well, this is MINI air crash investigations …

  • @rudedog302
    @rudedog302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    On the 707 the "Box" that sends the EPR signal to the cockpit instruments is called a transducer. The transducer is located either on top of the engine, or in the engine pylon.
    Crews are trained to also use N1, or engine Fan speed as a back up to the EPR system.
    Loosing Pt2, or inlet pressure, on the other hand, can cause a high reading on the EPR gage, when the engine is not operating at a high power setting.
    This was a primary cause to the Air Florida crash into the potomac river in 1982.
    The Pt2 probes were iced up and with the transducer only reading engine exhaust pressure the EPR readings were high, when the engines were nowhere near full power.
    Had that crew relied on the fan speed as a back up, they would have been able to see they needed to add power, and possibly save the airplane.

    • @rudedog302
      @rudedog302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Chris Longski The N1 RPM would have told the crew at a glance that the engine had not failed, but was producing takeoff RPM. The crews know what the maximum N1 RPM limit is, and what the N1 RPM is, roughly, at takeoff power.
      So at a glance, especially the flight engineer, who is supposed to be monitoring the engines on takeoff, or at least one of the crew should have observed the N1 RPM, and the EGT (exhaust gas temperature), not to mention the fuel flow, on that engine, and realize that what the pilot in command thought was an engine failure, was an indication problem.
      The EPR gage or system had failed, not the engine.
      You said N1 turbine speed, true, but more specifically. N1 is a combination of the 2 stage fan, which is part of the front compressor, and its associated turbines that extract the energy from the burning of the fuel, linked together by a shaft that travels the length of the engine. I hope that's not too confusing.

  • @ericbosken3114
    @ericbosken3114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The fact that *both* the cvr and cdr were not recovered speaks volumes. Either of them could have helped, but losing BOTH in a land crash is inexcusable!!!

    • @TechInspected
      @TechInspected 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      They were old recorders though. I assume newer recorders wouldn't break with that kind of impact.

    • @e30mark
      @e30mark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      The recorders were due to be replaced 14 years prior to the accident. Someone was making up and covering up maintenance records. 😔

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These recorders always survive. There is more to this story than is being admitted.

    • @halfgecko3202
      @halfgecko3202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @ nothing works in definitives, those recorders are strong but even they can be damaged or even destroyed

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@halfgecko3202 3rd world countries are
      definitives

  • @tedsmith6137
    @tedsmith6137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Interesting. Just a minor point about the graphics. The P&W JT3 engines do not have a rotating spinner. It is a stationary inlet dome, attached to the stationary inlet guide vanes.

  • @AmauryChihuahua
    @AmauryChihuahua 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “If you neglect to maintain your plane, just know, it’s not a question of if, but a question of when.”
    That sounded SO FUCKING BADASS

  • @grietga
    @grietga 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was in Sudan in 1993/94 and flew several times as a passenger in a 707-cargo operated by Sudan Airways between Khartoum and Juba. We were sitting on bags of dura and hanging to the nets that were securing them to the pallets. The pallets were sliding a few feet backwards during take-off, and frontwards during landing. I remember once when the crew had to shake the plane while circling over Juba as the front landing gear was not dropping. The nick name of Sudan Airways by then was Inch’ Allah Airways. It seemed to be managed by the rules of the “IBM System”: Inch' Allah, Bokra, Maalesh.

  • @steve0592
    @steve0592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Unfortunately, maintenance can be a case of "how much when things don't go wrong" versus "how much if things do go wrong". Ford Pinto.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I appreciate that comparison. I had a mid 70s army green Ford pinto. I'll leave it at that.

  • @arcticbraga322
    @arcticbraga322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Are you surprised.....this is Africa today. The motto there when it comes to maintenance is "tomorrow is another tomorrow" I have worked there using locals for maintenance........Great channel, keep up the good work mate.

  • @trekker105
    @trekker105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "Maintaining a Mess"...who said you could make a vid about my life dude

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Noblesixfour, you can take a place in line after me!

    • @agolftwittler1223
      @agolftwittler1223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A vid about most of us these days 🥴
      Stay safe and cheerful 👍

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Same, here’s to hoping it’ll all get better 🤞🤞

    • @agolftwittler1223
      @agolftwittler1223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Sir yes Sir.
      Thank your for your well researched and respectful videos.
      We learn from our failures and make it better.

    • @desdicadoric
      @desdicadoric 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hope it gets better for you buddy 😂

  • @22vx
    @22vx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    You always do a great job with these videos. Thank you for continuing to share!

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!

    • @22vx
      @22vx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Surely! Btw, for my edification, the .8 miles are annotated as nautical miles?

    • @eganyoung1352
      @eganyoung1352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@22vx there are 1.15 miles in 1 nautical mile
      Hope this helps! :)

    • @22vx
      @22vx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eganyoung1352 Yes but since it has nothing to do with sailing, why use the term "nautical" at all?

    • @eganyoung1352
      @eganyoung1352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@22vx a lot of aviation terms came from sailing

  • @andrewtaylor940
    @andrewtaylor940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The lax standards of training and maintenance become a bit clearer when you look into exactly who and what Azza Transport was. Their main business was gun running and arms smuggling for groups such as the Janjaweed Militia’s terrorizing Darfur at the time. Not the sort of outfit prone to leave detailed records nor hire the best of the best.

    • @cellemac3014
      @cellemac3014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hear you....All these castrophies have endless webs, the reports are obviously condensed for professional presentation sadly...

  • @cherriberri8373
    @cherriberri8373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Pffft when the plane hit the ground in the simulator and just bounced, I laughed so hard. Not saying it was like, bad, just funny

    • @TenOfZero1
      @TenOfZero1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha yeah me too, they should port that feature to real life. :-p

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In the 1980s version, when you crash, the windshield just cracked.

    • @benghazi4216
      @benghazi4216 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eucliduschaumeau8813 We all know things back then were made of a higher quality
      Now the name of the game is planned obsolescence

  • @happyvision3307
    @happyvision3307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    they had 3 more engines . . . maintenance is very important but this accident was preventable even when it was airborne! 1st job as a pilot is to fly

  • @enoughofyourkoicarp
    @enoughofyourkoicarp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Flight data recorder? Yeah, here you go." *hands the pilot a hammer, a chisel and a stone tablet* "Good luck." - Those engineers probably.

  • @martind511
    @martind511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thanks for making us aware of these lesser known incidents. Really enjoy these - just the right amount of information.

  • @melmoore6885
    @melmoore6885 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yet another fantastic video, i'm always looking forward to seeing your latest offering, you do such a great job.

  • @somerandomdudeontheinterne6520
    @somerandomdudeontheinterne6520 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This channel is better then the real air crash investigation

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    And this is why you do proper maintenance! Awesome video!😸

  • @medea27
    @medea27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @Mini Air Crash Investigation Congrats & thanks for all the effort you're putting into your content - the quality just keeps getting better & better 👌 It's the personality that you put into your scripts that makes your content stand out from the crowd, and the tempo & tone of your narration in this video is spot-on - you aren't rushed, you cover very technical descriptions clearly without losing the viewer in too much jargon. Nice one!! 👍👍

  • @VexifyGaming
    @VexifyGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Congrats on 50k

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks daily dose of video games!

    • @ondrejsedlak4935
      @ondrejsedlak4935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Next stop, 1 million subs. Congrats dude.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So happy for you. You deserve many more subs. Your trajectory is limitless! I have so enjoyed your videos and the community!

    • @5thdimension625
      @5thdimension625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now 70K. Just three months later

  • @fredferd965
    @fredferd965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Number 4 engine would be at the far end of the right wing. One of the first things you learn in multi-engine air school is NEVER turn into a dead engine. The plane should have banked left, not right.

    • @lofturhjalmarsson9896
      @lofturhjalmarsson9896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      some pilots just dont have the feeling for basics or what

    • @gusmc01
      @gusmc01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bingo. Seems like a left turn instead of a right turn might have saved them. The thrust from two working engines (1&2) is going to overpower the one working engine (3) on the other side and make the plane want to turn right. I've seen other crashes with pilots increasing the turn into a dead engine, just killing any lift that you do have and stalling that wing.

  • @cebukano520
    @cebukano520 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another quality video. Thanks for your work.

  • @Al-ih1en
    @Al-ih1en 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Huge respect for pilots, first officers and flight engineers, for getting us from one piece of land to another one all day long. Their own life is constantly at risk and it's a huge, enormous responsibility to take the plane safe and soubd across the skies. If there's a crash and one of them survives, the questions go on and on forever. Thank you so much, cockpit crew!

  • @mbvoelker8448
    @mbvoelker8448 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best you've done yet. The diagrams and photos made things clear and easy to follow.

  • @billhinton9787
    @billhinton9787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It amazed me how they can put the humble of p in pieces together and figure out what happened.

  • @francoisemichelcaburet2639
    @francoisemichelcaburet2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for all your interesting and well documented studies and videos, and, more than all, respect to your perfect pronounciation, phrasing, and voice level. ( makes a change from some others!).

  • @adotintheshark4848
    @adotintheshark4848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sounds like the pilot made a panicked turn, then became even more panicked. The proper procedure is to continue to fly the plane at its current heading and climb, and wait until you have enough altitude to assess the situation. Then you can decide to turn back or not.

  • @nickhart5332
    @nickhart5332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great work! Another awesome, well informed video! Keep it up sir!

  • @globetlottel
    @globetlottel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video, thank you!

  • @flyingtigerline
    @flyingtigerline 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent, as always.

  • @jamest2401
    @jamest2401 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos and reporting on these accidents & incidents, is much more solid, now that you use and maintain much more relevant visuals during your videos. I’ve always loved that you narrate your videos, as opposed to others whom only subtitle their videos, but I was always distracted by the non-relevant footage in your earlier uploads. Keep up the great work.👍🏻!

  • @addyrae515
    @addyrae515 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are always so relaxing and informative!

  • @hollies5841
    @hollies5841 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really great video, earned you a new subscriber 🙂

  • @RealScarKnight
    @RealScarKnight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video bro keep it up and keep them commin🤘

  • @HakamMahmoud2008
    @HakamMahmoud2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video as always! Keep it up!

  • @bhagirathkhemka6424
    @bhagirathkhemka6424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great work sir truly love ur work...👍👍👍👍 All the best for the future looking forward for more content

  • @torgeirbrandsnes1916
    @torgeirbrandsnes1916 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vlog as always!

  • @BillyAlabama
    @BillyAlabama 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoy your work!

  • @FutureSystem738
    @FutureSystem738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re churning these videos out, very well done.
    I figured there was also pilot error involved as a big contributor. As is nearly always the case, there were a number of holes in the Swiss cheese. And yes, not if, but when!

  • @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
    @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really is fascinating how the investigators recreate it all. Our host again also does a great job producing a very succinct version (hence Mini Air etc, presumably?!😌) which as well as making each episode a wild ride, is quite a skill to condense such complex events into a short clip. Given the tight space, we necessarily only hear the most important factors but ironically it seems even the smallest component or decision can be involved. It's for me always those "small but significant" details which bring it to life (ie the spices and seasoning!) whether a titbit about the crew, passengers, ground staff, the plane - or a window opened on more operatic shenanigans - like (clash of!)cultures, customs and language(s) etc.
    One doesn't like to admit that, at mention of words like Azza, Khartoum and Sudan (Airways) I already got a pit in my stomach - this could all start to sound very wrong very quickly but it didnt take long for Google to confirm my suspicions that airlines in developing countries are basically to be avoided. I mean I can almost understand the absolutely hideous practice of various police taking bribes to turn a blind eye to minor offences. Corruption is so endemic in many of these places (it did not, unfortunately, surprise me that, for example, Russia, Egypt,Thailand, The Philippines, Pakistan are home to the very worst airlines) it pervades everywhere and at Director level, the amounts "going missing" are significant which is very noticeable in terms of everything a passenger would see, hear, feel, touch, eat and smell - and more worryingly still, the effect is likely even greater on things you don't see, like maintenance and an effective national Aviation Authority to be trusted to pick up on problems before they become accidents, advise the relevant parties in a clear and timely way - and use sanctions wherever necessary if polite requests are ignored (rather than taking gratuities themselves). Investigations don't shy away from calling out poor management and maintenance - but perhaps they are less able - or willing - to acknowledge the causes WHY those problems exist. This is just one of those occasions where never mind investing huge resources into the forensics, I suspect that after just a cursory glance at some of the parts mentioned, the investigators would have gained a very clear overall picture.... my guess is, despite the heroic goals of salvaging info from awful accidents for future safety, not much will have changed there....

  • @jmwSeattle
    @jmwSeattle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You never turn into the lost engine. You turn toward the side with the good engines.

    • @jmwSeattle
      @jmwSeattle 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi@Agent Smith
      Exactly...and why didn’t the famed pilot Mac stabilize that B-17 in straight and level flight for awhile and get a grip on the situation and set up for a long straight in landing? I’m pretty certain more than one B-17 made it back to England on only two engines.
      See this Vmc analysis by test pilot
      th-cam.com/video/Wbu6X0hSnBY/w-d-xo.html

  • @kevincarlson7148
    @kevincarlson7148 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do a great job with brief domumentaries,Mr. Crash.They suit my attention span(like a gnat's)perfectly.

  • @MZTHICK76
    @MZTHICK76 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video as usual 👌

  • @caryldineen9051
    @caryldineen9051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing and 👏🏻 to 50k🎉

  • @eyesofstatic9641
    @eyesofstatic9641 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video!

  • @mauricedavis2160
    @mauricedavis2160 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel is awesome Sir!!!🙏😢✈️❣️

  • @ianr
    @ianr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats on 50k, next 100k! 👏👍

  • @Frankie_728
    @Frankie_728 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Getting better with every video

  • @kacpair4889
    @kacpair4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the video

  • @wlarpy9108
    @wlarpy9108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice vid as allways

  • @yaysimonsays151
    @yaysimonsays151 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    The only thing this plane was more airworthy than is a submarine

    • @itsthatguy5742
      @itsthatguy5742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Put some duct tape on it! Hell yeah. Good as new! Let’s get a beer

  • @ishan6771
    @ishan6771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    good job man

  • @kevinbarry71
    @kevinbarry71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video. Crew of six? That seems like a lot for such an aircraft

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A few of them were loadmasters

    • @kevinbarry71
      @kevinbarry71 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation how many do they need? A 707 is not that big. Could've used another pilot instead perhaps

    • @skuula
      @skuula 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kevinbarry71 The 707 has three crew minimum.

    • @kevinbarry71
      @kevinbarry71 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skuula yes. Two pilots, a flight engineer, and probably one load master. That's four.

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Kevin Barry So you are saying that an cargo plane should never have more than the bare minimum crew aboard?

  • @mufc1417
    @mufc1417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They didn't neglect maintaining the plane by choice, Sudan was under U.S. sanctions for decades which makes it impossible for them to deal with Boing (training staff or buying spar parts)

  • @peppermintcatsass3141
    @peppermintcatsass3141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent timing.

  • @ted.angell7609
    @ted.angell7609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the new format with the simulator.

  • @moosifer3321
    @moosifer3321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe the crew and maintenance are qualified in Paradise, but NOT here with we mere mortals. This standard of performance is unacceptable, even if you`re flying a Boxmobile. Pity maintenance, management, owners WEREN`T aboard! Nice one Mini, you just keep getting better, the Sims have improved the presentation, as opposed to the earlier offerings of just `plane vids. To quote Mentour, Aviate, Navigate, and, as you have learnt, COMMUNICATE.

  • @elixier33
    @elixier33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually really enjoy your content I really do appreciate what you do don't say that to TH-camrs fantastic job with this channel with such a quality material well done

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Jamie!!

    • @elixier33
      @elixier33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I feel even more honoured that you can reply to my comment. Thanks so much

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao why I’m just a regular person just like you 😂

    • @elixier33
      @elixier33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Do you have a parteon thingy?

  • @bobdagamer640
    @bobdagamer640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice video

  • @samlasagna8730
    @samlasagna8730 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video man !! Pls keep up the good work !! Look forward to the next one !! :)

  • @karllegrand
    @karllegrand 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just discovered your channel, it's very interesting.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And the 707 was a robust plane. Test pilot Tex Johnson did a barrel roll with one in 1955

  • @TheGhostbuster1989
    @TheGhostbuster1989 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This crash happened right next to my university. I didn't see the actual crash, but I did see smoke coming off close to the university (Sharjah International was just a few blocks away from the University of Sharjah.)

  • @cargolux4224
    @cargolux4224 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video

  • @yazikhodayar
    @yazikhodayar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been watching since 10K

  • @BekaJadexoxo
    @BekaJadexoxo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I always worry about the age of some cargo planes in particular, they seem to run them a lot longer than they do with passengers. Although it is a lot better if they are properly maintained, I mean the US Army is still running B52s and might get potentially 100 years out of them.

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rebecca Jenkins: with a bottomless checkbook, one can keep anything upgraded, updated, and safe to fly. Most cargo airlines don't have the budget that the government does. Many buy cheap old planes and do the minimum required maintenance. Or in this case they just fake the paperwork. You are correct to worry about old cargo planes.

    • @user-bj4lp3fr1o
      @user-bj4lp3fr1o 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the AF that has the B52s.

  • @ChaklitTea
    @ChaklitTea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My brother saw it take off to the moment it crashed he came back home from the supermarket saying a plane crashed thought he was lying but then what explains the loud bang and how the house shook down I went outside couldn’t believe the smoke blocked the sun for a minute I collapsed and started crying because i was actually watching ACI

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What a coincidence, watching an aircraft investigation as a crash happens. That had to be bizarre.

    • @davesaunders3334
      @davesaunders3334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eucliduschaumeau8813 - Unless…

  • @CaptVirtual
    @CaptVirtual 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Basic airman'ship 101. A Cessna 152 pilot knows not to bank to try a 180' return. Bad maintenance, but this accident was pilot error.

  • @keno77
    @keno77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So they should have replaced the flight data recorder in 1995 and the crash happened 2009 wow what a delay.

    • @karend1577
      @karend1577 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. I paused right there to reflect the years passed without replacement.

  • @sitara2783
    @sitara2783 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's terrible that this happened, but I must say I'm glad this was a cargo flight and not a passenger flight.

  • @peterirwin6409
    @peterirwin6409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never turn a plane to the side where a engine has failed.

  • @JCBro-yg8vd
    @JCBro-yg8vd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Somethings should *NEVER* be put off, scheduled maintenance is one of them.

  • @hawkertyphoon4537
    @hawkertyphoon4537 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ... and notification bell to full ring too.

  • @sailaab
    @sailaab 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i am rather surprised that it does not perturb me that i am (sort of) addicted to your chanbel.
    like i pride myself that i left smoking for good, about a decade back. left coffee also.
    But here i am, at 18% battery on minimal brightness (to keep it alive) on my beat down ..old Samsung J7 watching this🙂 :)
    .
    and unlike most otheea, as a dimwit middle aged guy from Bharat wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhārat_Gaṇarājya , *the best* things are your clear voice straight to the point naration, no hyper excited youtubey voice, no intro outro.. no sensationalism.. 🤗and you always acknowledge clips/ helps you get from other sources😇
    .
    You sir.. are a person of pride.
    Humble requwst.. if ever there is a way to pay / contribute in INR .. please tell.. the banking system would charge a helluva markup to convert from INR to other currencies

  • @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
    @mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In addition to XcRunner's factual statement, it was really fascinating to note within the commentary the phrase "Crews are usually caught off guard by upsets". At last and finally, someone prepared to say it as it is. Simply what I mean is that no amount of blithe and soothing intonation surrounding "pilots are trained for this" will ever especially reassure me! Yes, while technically and theoretically that may even be true, I simply don't believe it's feasible for airline training departments to predict - and therefore to prepare their pilots for - every single possible sequence/combination of problems. Furthermore, even if it was, I don't care how many thousand hours over how many decades you've been heaving these giants into and out of the sky, if 99.99% of those hours have been uneventful, they probably don't count for much when the sh1t is hitting the fan!! Again, because of the sheer number of permutations of potential issues, the reality is it is not possible to train for all of them on the simulator. Even if it was, you'd have done it once, 23 years ago and that ain't gonna help today. What might be more useful, is putting pilots through a sort of combination of Marines-style torture-meets horror movie! In other words getting them so used to being f¥ckng terrified, that in a real dire emergency, they have the psychological capability to still keep functioning under that tremendous duress😏 I'm half kidding but is it so unreasonable? This is by no means the first of these analyses where the conclusion is that even where there were or may have been concomitant technical/procedural and/or maintenance issues, the fault wasn't entirely any of those above factors nor lack of training or experience or fatigue for that matter. It was simply "rabbit-in-headlamps" syndrome. Knowing what to do but not doing it. I should add that that is BY NO MEANS a criticism - it is a COMPLETELY understandable morass of overwhelming emotions which to a greater or lesser extent ALL humans would feel while contemplating their imminent doom in a heap of shattered and melting aluminium. At the same time, the above, while I believe it to be 100% the hard truth and reality, is not necessarily perhaps something which in everyday life need be expressed, especially in those terms. On specialist channels however, where you assume a far greater - but dispassionate - interest a subject, I think these things can be owned, rather than swept under the carpet for the benefit of the nervous flyers....well done MiniACI !

  • @jsnsk101
    @jsnsk101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    During normal inspections of airlines by the authorities all they do is check the paperwork in the files in the offices, if your paperwork is ok you are ok. Most of the time you make your flight paperwork legal even if it doesnt actually match up with what you are doing, because no one will ever know

  • @zew1414
    @zew1414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God damn these cowlings were an absolute mess!

  • @HPontara1
    @HPontara1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    waiting on Tam!! It impacted a lot here in brazil...Was really sad..

  • @josephburton92
    @josephburton92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On the modded 707’s the us military uses KC-135 they have a system called EFIS engine fail assist. It automatically kicks rudder to keep the plane level if you lose an engine on takeoff. I wonder if that would have helped them.

    • @brianfearn4246
      @brianfearn4246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think thay were gambling with a very old airplane that should have been scraped years ago 🤔

    • @toddsmith8608
      @toddsmith8608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      USAF has spent hundreds of millions (billions?) to keep 707s (kc135) updated, upgraded, inspected, retrofitted, etc. This African cargo line didn't even bother to fix the cowl latches.

  • @780brando
    @780brando 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So when the cowling came loose and severed the line to the pressure sensor, the only effect was the gauge reading? Or did that trigger a shutdown of the engine as well?

  • @lionheart1867
    @lionheart1867 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't realize anyone was still flying 707's in 2007. Talking about an antique.

    • @alistairscott137
      @alistairscott137 ปีที่แล้ว

      Old ones are the best, shame the airline didn't maintain it properly.

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A good pilot never becomes complacent. A good pilot expects a failure on every takeoff. You pretty much HAVE to be ready to deal with an upset before it happens otherwise you will spend too much time wondering if it is, in fact, happening. And when I say "too much time" I am talking about just a couple of seconds.

  • @briant7265
    @briant7265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pure speculation, but it sounds like the crew panicked and forgot to "fly the plane" and just tried to get back on the ground as fast as possible. (I guess they succeeded.) It seems like there should have been plenty of time to assess the situation and follow normal procedures to come back around and land.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.
      And this was in 2009, so CRM was obviously already a thing.

  • @alannewman85
    @alannewman85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good - short and to the point. Just enough detail to understand what happens. Can you do the same for ships???

  • @rodolfoayalajr.8589
    @rodolfoayalajr.8589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Citing corners killed innocent 😇 passengers. RipAmen 🙏. Thank you for an educational video Amen.

  • @alanemarson
    @alanemarson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 1:50, I definitely wondered why the cow separated... should have gone to specsavers!

  • @MothaLuva
    @MothaLuva 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:10 „No sir, I can see it still attached to the right wing.“
    3:10 They looked so old, it seems they were repaired before the plane was built.
    4:47 „Even without the cowlings the plane is more than flyable.“ When the airplane leaves the factory it is just „flyable“. By removing two cowlings it gets „more than flyable“. Is „more than flyable“ like flyable+? Flyable, and destructable/driveable/disable/constable etc (any combination)?
    8:10 I like how the aircraft touches right wing first than straightens itself and bounces back into the air. They definitely should start making planes like this.

  • @brianfearn4246
    @brianfearn4246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video.. it sounds like that 707 was well past its flying life span. I wonder how many more planes are still flying in the same condition 🤔

    • @brianwong7285
      @brianwong7285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The last flying passenger 707 was in Iran...

    • @alistairscott137
      @alistairscott137 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Age of the jet has nothing to do with it ,if not maintained properly wether new or old will result in failure, it's called cutting corners.

  • @philfuchs6062
    @philfuchs6062 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you comment on progress toward replacing the flight data recorders with direct simultaneous communication between the plane and satellite to the cloud?

  • @RichardHuffman
    @RichardHuffman ปีที่แล้ว

    Old saying: "If you do not schedule maintenance for your equipment, your equipment will schedule it for you, usually at the worst time."

  • @change_your_oil_regularly4287
    @change_your_oil_regularly4287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOOHOO 👍

  • @przemysawotarzewski557
    @przemysawotarzewski557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! 👍 I've been watching these for a while now and one thing that immediately bothers me is the pilots entering a right turn in order to return to the airport, with number 4 engine (rightmost engine) malfunctioning. Shouldn't you avoid such manoeuvre in this kind of situation?

    • @wafikiri_
      @wafikiri_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most take-off engine-failure procedures include the need of limiting the amount of banking angle applied. Well-trained pilots do limit it.

    • @Hellsong89
      @Hellsong89 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, very much so for mentioned loss of lift from bank angle, well as low speed you are in, plus you would need to be stabilize to actually land the plane, though in some emergencies you need to get the bird down what ever it took, for instance loosing all the engines right after rotation, but that point you dont bank much as look potentially suitable location with little as possible housing etc to cause danger to others and "slam" that plane there.
      Though while they just rotated, they still had plenty of power from 3 other engines so there was not really a danger there, just adjust for differential thrust to stabilize, gain altitude and go around to do stabilized landing like you would normally do. 747 witch this was i believe can do that easily with 3 engines.. hell they can do it with two, if all possible those being in each wing not in one wing.
      They panic and tunnel visioned to number 4 engine and forgot the golden rules of aviation. 1Aviate, 2Navigate and 3Communicate. They forgot to do the number 1 rule and banked too much, or didnt notice excessive bank angle.

  • @davef.2811
    @davef.2811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MEL- 101, don't bank into your bad engine... Anyone know what the ser. # of this ship was, or any prior history about it?

  • @paulazemeckis7835
    @paulazemeckis7835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    707 flying in 2009? Yikes! I would not have boarded just like I wouldn't board a 737 Max.

    • @alistairscott137
      @alistairscott137 ปีที่แล้ว

      Boeing 707 is a well built aircraft stronger airframe than the airliners built today, problem was it was not maintained properly .

  • @SkyWriter25
    @SkyWriter25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like that plane was a crash waiting to happen and it finally found a spot it liked.
    By the way, you should set up an account on patreon.

  • @brianwong7285
    @brianwong7285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This crash was actually caught on CCTV.

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brian you’re still around! Glad to see that you’re still watching the channel!

    • @brianwong7285
      @brianwong7285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation th-cam.com/video/hQVszuD6yRA/w-d-xo.html