Could Jedi Use Red Lightsabers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Lightsaber colours are cool, and red lightsabers are objectively the second coolest, but could members of the Jedi Order use them?
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I'll stick with the official Fact Files version from the 2000s:
Color doesn't matter, there are no arcane rituals involved in creating a lightsaber. They are purely mechanical devices that are dangerous to the wielder if not mastered (hence why they were rare outside of a Jedi's hands) and every Jedi used a crystal of the color they simply liked best, if they had the luxury. (Luke's 2nd lightsaber was made with a synthetic crystal grown on Tatooine, and the blade ended up being green since Luke didn't have the time/knowledge/cared enough to make it another color.
So yes, Jedi can have red lightsabers, Sith can have blue ones - as a matter of fact, Jerecs 7 Dark Jedi from the first Jedi Knights game have different colors.
That's my preferance too, this new canon (or even clone wars era canon) is not really my preferance
I think it's reasonable to assume that there would develop traditions over time, but I agree, I think that later Legends and Canon lightsaber colors are too fixed. That's boring. Especially in Canon, the vast majority of lightsabers are blue, green or red. That's what George wanted, but it's boring.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 i do like that there is conventions... like, a republican politicans would always wear a red tie, democract a blue, but they arent physically incapable of wearing another colour, but it is expected and they may have people asking whats up with their tie colour.
I hope the analogy makes sense. :)
This comment is straight Facts with the info to back it up. Luke creating his 2nd lightsaber is described in shadows of the empire, and Jerec with the dark Jedi are awesome. If you search on TH-cam “Star wars Jedi Knight cutscenes “ it’s like a new Star Wars movie lol
Damn straight
3:35 I think that's supposed to be Depa Billaba, but I could be wrong.
Personally, I like the KotOR rules of red and sometimes purple = Sith and green/blue/yellow/orange = Jedi according to their different roles. In my head canon, that rule was abolished during the Ruusan Reformation, but some Jedi like Qui-Gon, Yoda and Obi-Wan still follow that tradition. Also, I'd think yellow fell out of fashion because yellow crystals aren't as widespread and also the role of the Jedi Sentinel wasn't needed as much after the New Sith Wars. When it comes to purple, I remember reading somewhere that it represents kind of a union between the light and the dark side (blue and red mixed) and that's why Mace Windu uses it, because it fits to his use of Vaapad. One thing that always annoyed me a little is that even most Dark Jedi use red ligthsabers, even though they aren't Sith. However, that can be explained by the fact that red lightsaber crystals are synthetic, so they're easier to get than natural ones, which are mostly found on worlds controlled by the Jedi Order.
Edit: I think it's okay if a couple of Sith use Jedi colors and vice versa, but it shouldn't be exaggarated. I'm especially okay when ancient Sith use different colors, because back then, it seemed to be more accepted than later.
Luke built Leia a lightsaber with a shard from *the* Kaiburr Crystal.
Sith Red crystals are synthetic. Jaina's purple crystal was also synth, and the Imperial Knights' white crystals follow her model.
I really liked how any crystal and even other stuff like Krayt Dragon pearls could be used for lightsabers back in Legends. Kyber Crystals are boring compared to that.
Legend lightsabers, do tend to explode randomly & take off arms & hands from time to time.. Maybe some things shouldn’t be used in place of crystals..
Some canon sources state that some Krayt pearls have traces of Kyber, so it would still be possible to use it in a lightsaber.
Revan gets a purple & red lightsaber, because Revan gets Revenge.. >;)
In return of the Jedi, Luke's new lightsaber was orginally planned to be blue like old one. But when Lucas did cut scene where Luke build a new saber so Luke's new saber could be suprise, they change the color so people would understand immediately that this saber is new, as if color would still be blue then some people would be "huh, didn't that saber drop in Besbin?".
The version I heard said the main reason Luke's second lightsaber was green was to contrast with the blue sky of Tatooine in the Sarlacc Pit scene.
In legends I'm sure Leia had her small red lightsaber as a back up weapon
Luke had red shoto, build to dual wield to counter lumias lightwhip
@@AbramsCzu yeah, isnt that the one, and he gave it to Leia at some point, maybe at the start of New jedi order?
I believe anakin solo had one too
Exar Kun is probably one of the perfect examples of a Sith who is lightsaber isn't red.
Edit: this is most likely because the crystal couldn't decide which faction it belong.
@@TetsuShima Yeah true you're pretty much correct.
I like these videos about lore changes, I'm real interested in seeing how the universe morph and changed over the years. Seiing things like the Mandalorians, Boba Fett, the jedi, and history of the galaxy change is fun.
To add Asoka "used" red lightsabers in canon... by making them into white/grey ones. So in canon, there is nothing stopping a Jedi from using red lightsabers it just really weird for them to and they would have to get it off a sith General Grievous style... Also I believe if someone activated a let's say pink lightsaber and then sold it you could buy it and then take out the crystal and have a pink lightsaber of your own just like in legends.
Also, a sith never had to use a red lightsaber it just makes them feel more sithy is all.
She didn’t use his lightsabers, she caused his lightsabers to explodes in his face, that what killed him.. she then purified his crystals & salvaged some bits & combined it with some parts she had collected to forge her own hilt.. She also mentioned how the crystals felt outputting in there “bleeded” state.. Must be that weird “sithy” or “jediy” feeling thing.. >;)
It is mentioned that the crystal takes the color the user wishes, (though Jedi & Sith tend to stay consistent generally..) So you are correct about the pink & should stay said color until changed i would guess, by another force user..
Jensaarai One and EvanNova96 also covered this topic. I feel this is a very interesting topic that could be talked about a little more.
Good video like usual. I enjoyed it.
But if I can offer a small suggestion? I think it would have benefited the video to show gameplay of characters using red, or at least non blue or green, lightsabers. The Force Unleashed 1 & 2, the Jedi Knight games, KOTOR/SWTOR games, and even a clip from Fallen Order with a different lightsaber color.
Careful combination of canon & legends, including how any [kyber] crystal can be any color, but still usually falls into one of six categories of Lightsaber colors, including [Selfless] variant of red & [selfish] variant of blue…
A'Sharad Hett's lighsabers are green in the later Clone Wars era comics. This could be explained as him simply changing the crystals, but in the Kenobi novel his father Sharad Hett was said to have had a green lightsaber, which became one of A'Sharad's sabers. This seems to firmly retcon the lightsabers as having been green all along.
Iirc, some of the more rare and powerful lightsabers used Krayt Dragon Pearls instead of kyber crystals
I wish that some jedi had red light sabers like red or black
Could you expand on this video a little more and go into some of the different crystal types or something like that? I’m reading fate of the Jedi and something I find interesting is that the tribes crystals are different and stronger than Luke and Bens. I think this has to do with the type of crystal but you know much more than I do when it comes Star Wars.
My favorite is orange/ amber.
I hate amber
1:45 Was that a Tusken Jedi on the Emissaries to Malastare cover? I wonder how he and Anakin got along, I imagine they had differing opinions on sand.
Read the last stand on Jabiim tpb
Yes, Anakin and A'Sharad Hett had an interesting friendship.
Shame both fell in the end.
That image from the comic looks more like Depa Bilaba has a red lightsaber.
Dooku ligthsaber style with Orange blade ... that my dream saber
I will always prefer the legends stance that a lightsaber blade color was influenced by the crystal, and the crystal could be any material that could (conceivably) focus a beam, not just kyber. This meant that blade color was more a reflection of the individual rather than simply an arbitrary sign of organizational allegiance.
The crystal's color is determined by the personality of the Force user it chooses.
@@optillian4182 Yes...clearly it is, *now*. However that wasn’t always exclusively the case in very early EU material when the relationship between crystal, user and resulting blade color was not definitively defined. I’m just stating a personal preference.
It could be argued that for the Jedi of the Clone Wars era being part of the Jedi Order WAS the defining "individual" trait of most Jedi, since they were raised from infancy in the Jedi Temple under the strict extreme-Lightside dogmas of an increasingly radical organization.
Within that framework I think there seems to be somewhat of a correlation between color and personality, with blue saber wielders being more hotheaded and fitting the "guardian of the weak" archetype while green ones tended to be calmer, carrying themselves like wise men (though not necessarily actually being wise). Windu being the former while also channeling his Darkside tendencies through his Vaapad lightsaber form is a mix of blue and red, purple.
Red meanwhile is a reflection of the similarly extreme-Darkside Sith ideology, where instead of allowing the crystal to choose the wielder based on temperament they choose it themselves arbitrarily, usually through ritual combat, and force their will upon it like they try to do to the Force itself, causing it to "bleed" red.
I like being a good guy, but I do like Dark Side powers. I always wanted one green and one red lightsaber
What comic is the one where those lizard aliens enter the jedi temple?
3:30 Next to Piell its Depa Billaba , not Gallia
A DARK RED lightsaber
I use the laser sword to cut cheese and bread
Give red lightsabers equal rights! To Chaos with the overrated blues and greens!
The ridiculous way the new Canon handles lightsaber crystals is so emblematic of how how the way the new canon handles continuity just doesn't work it has such ridiculously strict rules for things that really should be more loosely regulated (like lightsaber color) and ridiculously lax rules for things that should be rigidly regulated (hyperspace) and then they just end up weasling their way around the rules that they themselves set up, so why do they even make them?, That and the "everything is equally Canon" garbage which is just clearly untrue because they contradict themselves constantly is the reason why the new Canon already feels like it's less consistent than Legends was it's because the new Canon makes such grandiose statements about being a perfectly consistent universe that it just makes you notice that it isn't more, Legends never claimed to be a perfectly consistent universe it was just as consistent as they could make it which is why the contradictions were less of a big deal That and I think Legends understood better what to regulate to keep the universe more consistent and what not to regulate to not stifle creativity
I think it ultimately comes down to passion. The writers of Legends were there because they loved Star Wars and wanted to tell a good story in the universe while many of Canon's writers chose to work at Disney and just happened to be handed Star Wars.
@@elitestranger5262 well I think that's true for some of them I think especially for some of the old guard like Timothy Zahn or James Luceno that doesn't really hold up I think those two's new work suffers from two different problems stemming from the same issue with Zahn I think his issues seem to revolve around the things that are lax should be stricter and things that are strict should be laxer issue which means his interesting ideas don't make it in and his questionable ideas go right through and I think Luceno's best work revolves around tying lots of little disparate plot things from separate places together to make an interesting whole and the issue there is the Disney Canon seems so desperate to give the appearance of being consistent that it ends up tying everything together so closely that it ends up as a tangled mess leaving no interesting hanging threads for him to work with, I think the common thread is that the story group has no idea what they're doing, they're rules don't make sense and they don't even apply them equally they let Dave Filoni introduce time travel for God's sake
Legends was not the shining example of continuity that you make it out to be, infact legends contradicted itself so much they had to make various levels of canon (G canon, B canon, C canon, etc.) So your right, it wasnt perfect. Star wars has actually never been more continuous than it is now and it's truly nice to not have to follow that tier canon bullshit. The Jedi are strict in their ways like that because that's what George Lucas wanted, in legends everything else was made up by authors who didn't have access to prequel knowledge, so they just made stuff up, and then was later retconed by George Lucas. So it's better now that it follows Lucas's vision with viable explanations than stupid retcons that have to explain why the previous comic/book creators made something one way but are different in the movies or according to Lucas himself, like with lightsaber colors for an example. Also, canon does contradict itself a FEW times, but it happened way more in legends. Some examples are: in legends a particular Jedi could have died literally in 3 or 4 different ways, also Han confronted 4 different bounty hunters on ord mantel just to explain one throw away line, and multiple different versions of why and how the clone wars happened. Those are just a few major contradictions that legends suffered from. New canon is no longer like that, it's linear, and if that stifles creativity then they need to find more creative authors. But it's more consistent and an actual linear story is better in my opinion.
@@kevinvassago The tiered canon system is used by most expanded canons in fiction because it is the only sensible way to handle a universe of that scale, you cannot make it 100% consistent it's not possible, secondly you really do not want to invoke what George Lucas wanted Star wars to be Star wars got worse each time he touched it after the original trilogy I will remind you, have you seen his suggestions for the sequel trilogy they look pretty bad not as bad as what we got obviously but that's not saying much the sequel trilogy we got was absolute pig swill, thirdly of course Canon currently contradicts itself less than Legends did, it's existed for a fraction of the time but it's already well on its way to being less consistent than Legends was at this point in its existence Even just the new movies aren't consistent with the existing movies hell the new movies aren't even consistent with the other movies in their own trilogy or even on several occasions within themselves as a singular film, not to mention the relative scale of contradictions I'll take thousands of tiny date and age contradictions like Legends probably has over the few massive fuck off Galaxy destroying contradictions and canon breaks that exist just within the three films of the sequel trilogy most prominently hyperspace ram which as long as that is Canon none of the movies work anymore like literally nothing in the Star wars universe makes sense if that's Canon not to mention the other fuck ups the sequel trilogy makes, next onto your specific examples I can tell you're definitely invoking Shaak Ti which is a classic mistake, she has one Canon death within the Legends continuity The one from The Force unleashed The others you are referring to are the Anakin one and the grievous one both of which are from deleted scenes which are not considered Canon unless supported by secondary material which they were not, next the Han example I will admit a bit redundant but to be fair it does make sense that a wanted man would have more than one running with bounty hunters in a lawless place like ord mantel, as for the clone wars contradictions you're overegging it a bit there are two versions of how it happened one from the prequels and one from the Thrawn trilogy and honestly it doesn't matter that much because if you just ignore the specifics of how they say the clone wars happened the Thrawn trilogy still works fine, and finally okay so you prefer linear stories Don't see what that has to do with anything and I honestly don't care I'll take a lot of good and interesting stories that don't necessarily 100% mesh over a boring streamline story that still doesn't 100% mesh, anyway I don't see what this has to do with what I said, I never said it was a perfect continuity I said it was a better way to handle continuity than the way new Canon does it despite the flaws and you haven't really provided an argument to the contrary.
@@sammywhite5127 While the inconsistent laws of Star Wars Canon are a major problem (especially hyperspace which has basically been reduced to magic), I think this is only a symptom and not the root cause. The main cause I see is that too many of them simply don't care enough to check the continuity. This leads to the issues you pointed out with Zahn and Luceno and Zahn's subpar performance (I need to read more from Luceno before I can say anything on him). Fortunately I think that Zahn has seen this problem and is working to fix it seeing as he is literally making the rules for the unknown regions so things should get better.
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Its just the color of the focusing crystal.
The red is a color asociated to the Sith so the Jedi shouldn't use them.
The color of my lightsaber would be yellow, the color of the Jedi centinels.
I never cared for the attachment of certain beliefs and "spirituality" towards lightsabers. Han could use one as a tool in ESB, Vader turned on Luke's saber in RoTJ without "torturing" the crystal and turning it red. It's just a uniform really. These are the colors of our gang, we don't wear the enemy gang's colors. I remember when I first played KOTOR II, I used the first lightsaber that dropped. I didn't care what the color was or the type it was, I just needed a strong weapon for the time being. As long as it cuts through things and reflects blaster shots who cares? I'll change the color when I get home
Yeah anybody can use them, they have on switches.. 😂
You can use other people’s lightsabers, might not feel “right”.. If you are the opposite end of the Spectrum from them, but nothing stopping you.. Jedi are light, Sith are Dark, It’s just a form of symbology..
@@ravager2-636 fuck symbology, one of the big problems with star wars is their clinging to the spiritual and metaphysical when it comes to thing related to the force, the jedi/sith. This can limit the writers and such from creating interesting characters outside the rigid idea of what is and isn't jedi and sith.
Actually...
A Jedi Cannot MAKE a red lightsaber because the process of making one would violate the Jedi Code, since Khyber Crystals are supposed to be 'alive' and to make a normal Khyber Crystal TURN red requires the Sith Lord to Torture the crystal...
Whatever "torture" means in this case.
And if a Jedi came into possession of one, their code would seem to Require them to Purify it... turning it white.
Clearly, Disney needs to start employing writers who are familiar with the in universe lore.
The kyber bleeding is from Canon, this is about Legends. They are two different continuities. These stories were not written under Disney.
@@CoreysDatapad I would have to research that to be sure, but since, while I am a Star Wars nerd, I'm not That BIG of a Star Wars nerd, so I'll take your word on it... lol.
Can they? Yes, absolutely. Obi-wan used one in a duel with Darth Maul. As their primary lightsaber? I haven't heard of anyone doing that. The Jedi are so judgmental though, so I doubt they would let someone.
The video wasn't about whether they could pick one up in the moment and use it like that, it was about whether they could or did use them as their own actual primary lightsaber, which many did.
Right. Well like you said in the video George only wanted green and blue, which honestly was very boring. I'm glad Fallen Order corrected canon and added other colors.
The bleeding crystal nonsense is just awful retconning trash, it's a gemstone not a magic wand, a focusing crystal for the energy blade, not some magical emotional jewel for goodness sake
Ahh you do know that there were force sensitive crystals in legends & they actually make you a better force wielder right.. Very popular with Jedi & Sith.. 😅
Adegan crystals (the main lightsaber crystal in legends is essentially a kyber crystal) just you have to find a color you like, instead of it becoming one you like (using the force).. & those crystals called to you by the way & like excalibur the one meant for you is the only one, you can grab..
Unless that is, you cut the crystal free with a tool or the force.. >;)
Well the legends crystals are also "magic wands" as well, because carrying a crystal makes you more powerful in the force. Also in legends, Palpatine had a giant red crystal he chipped away at to give to his dark jedi to use as their saber crystals. I'm glad the new canon got rid of that shit to use bleeding instead, because thats just redundant and ridiculous.
@@ravager2-636 And what does Legends have to do with it? Legends can be stupid too big deal. So cut the snarky attitude
@@thegoodfather1177 That’s what I’m saying, people are looking for sense, when there isn’t always any.. it’s just a creative choice, they have to make everything sci-fi & fantasy compatible.. That’s why in both new & old canon, you can stick a big lightsaber Crystal in a turbolaser & it makes the turbolaser blast more powerful..
@@ravager2-636 It's a focusing crystal, it makes the lightsaber work, it can be created in a lab or farmed from caves, this isn't Harry Potter
Jedi should not use a Red lightsaber, because to make a lightsaber turn red the user has to bleed the Khyber crystal by using the Dark Side in acts of Evil deeds to turn it , also turning the Jedi to the Dark Side together.
That's only in the Canon lore, with Legends there are naturally red crystals that Jedi have used. The reason for Sith having overwhelmingly red sabers is because of a synthetic process that avoids the use of the rarer crystals on Jedi controlled worlds.