Vinnie Sifter You can deny the Earth is round but it doesn't change anything. Google Assistant has "routines" where you can create custom commands. Yes flexibility isn't 100% but nevertheless, you can customize commands OR put your faith in best AI assistant there is.
Even though I'm not an Apple fan, I'm still very glad that someone is pursuing the local processing way without the cloud. End to end encryption and data security and privacy is very important for some people and it is respectable that Apple provides an alternative to Googles approach.
I'm happy that my generation has finally gotten old enough to get into tech journalism and happily exclaim "YO" when talking about something they like.
Dani Ihza Farrosi cut for time: “It’s too bad the CEO is named Tim instead of Adam, because if his name was Adam I could write a story called ........ -Dieter
Not when slices were announced, but yes when shortcuts were mentioned, I thought but there is already a third party app, IFTTT, doing almost similar stuff
Shortcuts is about stuff happening when you say something to Siri (when I say this do that), while IFTTT is more about stuff happening after an action (when this happens do that). Right? And yes shortcuts is probably based on workflow.
Guys you have to stop with this "old Android phones don't get new features" bullcrap. The Google Assistant is updated via the Google app on All devices running 6.0 or higher. If you have a phone from 2014 that runs MM you ALREADY have Google Assistant's Routines which was now ripped off by Apple's Shortcuts. You don't need OS updates to get new Google Assistant features, unlike that poor and pathetic Siri. This is why Android is miles ahead. It's an open platform that gets updated via it's apps. Yes fragmentation is bad, but iOS users don't seem to understand the difference between their locked down OS and this open one.
If 6% of Android devices is running latest version of Android that's mean still 120 million people is using latest OS version. (There are 2 Billion 'Active' Android devices). That is not a small number. You can still say it 'Millions and Million People'
What people keep forgetting is that Microsoft is actually on the verge of making the bridge between PC and phone obsolete by allowing Windows to run on ARM - not just apps.
supernpstr I wanted to include a whole section about how Windows UWP / Windows Store apps / whatever were doing the “get mobile apps on the desktop” thing before it was cool. But it would have made this video so loong. - Dieter
Thanks Dieter! I understand. It will be a giant battle I guess in the future - which is better, Andoird Apps on Chromebooks, IOS apps Macs or full Windows on the Snapdragon CPUs. That will be interesting. Maybe thats MS strategy - hey we dont have windows phones, but just call each device a windows device and everything runs everywhere.
Windows running on ARM is too little too late and something they already did years ago that absolutely did not take (I would know, I bought one of their first gen ARM tablets). Microsoft is less and less relevant in the consumer space every day and as great as they’re doing in the enterprise market phones are still the most important computers around and no one is asking their phones to be more like the PC they have laying around somewhere collecting dust that they associate with work.
Isn't that the whole point?.. Two competing OS doing their thing to either simplify how we do things or multiply our productivity. It shouldn't be seen in a comparisons angle but having these big tech going at it is great for us as consumers...
As a developer, I think both the companies are pushing its developer core to more mobile app building. I think its not very far in future where desktops apps are made completely in the mobile app development environment and would work just as efficiently as a native desktop application.
If we all bought Google Pixel phones which are almost the same price as the apple phones than Updates are not a problem in android... Maybe not a fair comparison dieter, Since android offers such various devices for their customers.
KARTIK SHARMA and slow down our phone? I rather they stop update for old device. For me as long the phone had what I need, I don't need any other update. And only tech savvy probably care about this update thing. All my normal friends didn't care about that, some are hate it because they don't know what this update do, and here in my country data plan are expensive, they don't want to waste for something they didn't know.
Esther Takumi updates aren’t compulsory and they only slow down your phone if your battery is depleted. If you replace the battery the phone doesn’t slow down.
Jack R Most phone force us to update in notification, and it annoying for most people. About that battery I don't know, most of the time it slow down my phone even tho I change the battery. I'm always change my battery after recent time. And same thing happen, still slow down.
I would call it the best propaganda video I've ever seen. Amazing how the innovator got slammed while the copier (ie: Apple) got all the praise. Yea, let's complain against the smart Google assistant... why don't you talk about the stupid (yet secure) useless Siri... lol!
As much as it hurt initially, you have to appreciate the fact that by removing the headphone jack on the iPhone Apple managed to kickstart a massive wave of innovation in wireless headphones that was long overdue.
10 Google is reportedly adding the notch on the Pixel 3 XL. Buy the Pixel 3 normal and it will be a smaller version of the Pixel 2 XL. Same screen format and, as always, front facing speakers
You are a fan. Don't be shy to admit it. There's no shame in it. I'm a Google fan boy and not ashamed. I don't hate apple, but I will never use or buy their products because they don't suit my preferences.
1 company's job is to get and sell your data to the highest bidder (thats their main business model), the others is to protect your data and sell you products you'll like and will hopefully come back to buy. To Google you are the product being sold. To apple you are a consumer.
I think Apple is doing great, at least iOS 12 from this beta seems way better than when iOS 11 Dev Beta 1 released. The new features even though Google came up with them 1st don't reach the same amount of people as Apple does so...I'm glad I have an iPhone.
harsh kumar It will always be better too, because Apple favors privacy. One isn’t “better” than the other, but they are vastly different. If you want features or if you value privacy, you’re going to sacrifice SOMETHING.
I agree - it’s rather surprising that Apple makes the user set something up rather than have it “just work” on defaults. I’d be curious to see any default shortcuts for Siri that are included.
Microsoft did it before apple. Microsoft's UWP approach is the future. same app runs almost on any form factor device. Sad developers had no interest and Windows 10 mobile became obselete.
I had mentioned to my wife, a few months back, on how cool would it be if you could use your phone to play tag or paint ball with augmented reality...and now that kids are getting phones earlier and earlier, what if augmented reality got kids to go out and play outside again? Using your phone, parks could be the battle ground. Got the idea originally when Pokémon created the craze and Pokemon stations using augmented reality.
'Apple ships' is the reason I prefer to stay in the apple ecosystem. I think both google and apple have their own strengths but usually with android I had to play the waiting game and most oems don't deliver properly. Getting a pixel like most people recommend is not a solution until google figures out hardware quality control and distributes them worldwide (recent nexus and pixel are not available in my country)
but the thing is: do u want to upgrade? yes, i know ios 12 is a lot better than ios 11. But for people who uses old iPhones, ios 9 and 10 is the way to go.
first, the perfomance is somehow sooooo bad. My iPhone 6 (not really mine but i use it a lot) is iOS 9 and it's 'burning' so much (i mean it's HOT). second, as a normal user, we don't really need that much security. I'm ok with sharing all of my personal information with Google Assistant. The security on iOS is awesome, but many of iPhone users don't need that much. and the app store is so good, it's good enough that we still have decent games and apps to use in old iOS versions. iOS is good, but it does not as good for me and a lot of other people as Android
Hoàng Minh Nguyễn You do need it, there’s a way of plugging ur phone via usb and it opens it. And everyone benefits from improved performance and stability. And you get support for newer apps
i tried an ios 11 iphone 6 and it's even lagger than the ios 9 one. and i dont think i need that much security on my phone. im not that kind of person who stores everything on the phone nor the cloud. the only way to protect data for me is the physical way
I really appreciate how Apple focuses on user data privacy. Googles way is you give me all your data and let me run my algorithms on your data, learn from it and evolve and then also suggest stuff like shared albums etc. Apples approach, specially with on device machine learning and end to end encryption for shared albums is a more nuanced and professional way of going about things. Also, great job on the video, loved it! Being a traditional mkbhd follower, I have to admit I'm more excited now about new content from Dieter Bohn. Really good stuff being delivered consistently!
Vishal Singh On device machine learning requires extra hardware for that. So tell me how google can deliver that experience to low powered devices efficiently? Google harnessed Cloud power saves lot of power on your device too
Karan Reddy, yes no doubt. But I'm not sure how many people are aware of as to what kind of data and how much of it is sent to Google cloud. And if they were made aware of it, would all of them still want to participate?
Vishal Singh, do you use Google? Because I do extensively. They're amazing at letting their users understand how they use our data in a very understandable manner and (as of today in Europe with GDPR) you can pretty much disable everything you don't want them to gather.
Martynas Jurkus agreed, and yes I'm an android user. And yes, today as of gdpr yes things have changed. But only for people who are aware of it. Here in India, the average Joe has no idea about it. But I'm sure if I ask him to visit takeout.google.com or myactivity.google.com he'd be shocked to see the level of info that Google collects on him including random audio clips. When I first saw all of that, I realized Google knew more about me than my closest relative. That was shocking and also, just the tip of the iceberg.
Everyone on the Android platform watch this to the very end and listen very close to the difference between Apple & google that he points out. You will see one of many reasons that Apple has such a loyal customer following!
Hahahaha poor Apple always trying to copy Google and this is obvious Apple needs to add a little of their own to show their selves apart so they choose this little thing called end to end encryption
I definitely wouldn't compare Slices to Shortcuts. Slices is basically just a first party implementation of IFTTT or Tasker; it's meant to give power to the users. Shortcuts expose meaningful actions to you at times that the Assistant deems helpful; it makes the Assistant more... assistant-y, and the users benefit from that extra capability that the assistant has. If you want programmable triggers on Android, I don't know why you haven't tried either of those 3rd party options yet.
Sadly we still don't have wellbeing app in beta/dev preview. I hope they don't delay it. Like they did with that object removal thing in Google photos.
I love Apple. They never put you on dust as an customer They give software updates for very long time, most reliable costumer service and many more You have to admit that
Great customer service? Great until you suffer a issues caused by there design faults. You have the iPhone 4 antenna gate - hold the iPhone 4 a certain way and you 100% lost service, Apple fix was to sell you a case. Then you have the power button failure on the iPhone 4,4s,5 and 5s - apple didn't see this as a flaw until 6 months after the iPhone 5s release and then after that fixed it for free. Next you have the iPhone 6 bend gate/ touch disease issue. Apple before the launch of the iPhone 6/6plus knew the iPhone 6 had bending issue and up until the recent lawsuit Apple has been making customers pay $150 to fix bent/touch disease iPhones. Lastly we don't know the outcome yet but it was revealed the iPhone 6,6s, and 7 all have battery issues. So far apple has charged customers $30 instead of $80 to replace batteries. Once again Apple is hiding something. I say that because it happens with multiple iPhone models so you can't say it was a bad batch of batteries because each phone is released a year apart. I'm not saying iPhones are bad devices. Some people probably never suffered from a issues listed above and never will but it's the fact that Apple tries to tell there customers you caused this not us and not owing up to there mistakes that makes me feel totally different about there support.
I used to be a diehard Android user. Back in the day an HTC guy, then eventually an LG guy. Over time though, as I watched the Android ecosystem become more and more fractured, and jaded by consistently being left with ancient security patches and false promises of updates to the latest version, I got fed up. Owned an iPad Mini 2 since early 2014, and that thing still gets regular updates to the latest versions of iOS and full security patches. Still just as snappy as when I bought it, even with the limited multitasking in larger modern apps due to only 1GB of RAM. Even 4 years later, if I have a problem or just need an issue checked out, I can just walk into a local Apple store and talk to somebody in person to help diagnose the issue. When I needed to pick a new device late last year, I decided I wanted to go back to a smaller formfactor device. Other requirements were for timely updates to the latest software, proven software support for at least 3 years and ideally 5, easily accessible support, and solid battery life. That left me with pretty much just the iPhone 8 and Pixel 2 within my budget range. Didn't really like the Pixel 2 all that much, so ended up with the iP8. So far, I'd have to say out of every phone I've ever owned, it's been my favourite. I would like to note that the rest of my computing devices consist of a constantly upgraded gaming PC, Google Pixelbook, mid-size Windows laptop, and a few Google Home units.
"Apple fix was to sell you a case. " Every iPhone 4 owner was eligible for a free case, or a refund if they had previously purchased one. "it was revealed the iPhone 6,6s, and 7 all have battery issues" These are not production flaws or defects, the "issue" is something that all lithium-ion powered devices suffer from - battery degredation over long periods of usage. As the packs age, not only does capacity decrease (shorter battery life in general), but eventually they are unable to adequately provide the current needed by the device below a certain charge level. This leads to devices both restart loops when trying to perform a CPU-heavy task, and the device shutting down and requiring charging even though the battery meter still indicated adequate charge remaining. The solution to this issue is to throttle power consumption to avoid the high peaks that cause the battery voltage to drop below the minimum threshold. This causes performance slowdowns, but avoids the frustration of constant restarts when trying to perform a task. I'd rather have a slow phone that's still usable over a quick phone that is unable to perform the tasks I need once below a certain battery level due to restarts. If they had rolled out the throttling changes in the state they are today, everything would have been peachy. They should have made an announcement detailing the issues caused by worn out batteries, and how a toggleable throttling feature would avoid restarting issues on those devices. Pair that with encouragement for owners of those devices to bring them in for a discounted battery replacement program and you've got a winner.
How did it come to compare Siri's shortcuts and Android P Slices? 1. Slices is a completely different story 2. There're Google Assistant's shortcuts and routines. You should compare them to Siri's ones
I don’t know why reviewers and many other people don’t understand the fact that when it comes to software ,the features present in it needs to be thought and made over a long period of time. All I want to say is that APPLE CANNOT COPY GOOGLE IN JUST ONE FREAKING MONTH. The grouped notifications, the optimisation for older devices, the screen-time feature were thought to be developed last year itself, and not just last month. The features maybe same as that of Android, but it doesn’t mean that Apple copied google.
This is a lie. Unless you have a software engineering degree, I suggest you not even speak on the process behind creating such features. Most of these features can be made in a few days, especially with a huge development team
Its not really that hard to implement these kinds of features. They literally take a day or 2 for one person to code. Imagine a building full of developers lol
Chris Crump Obviously you don’t know nothing about coding.. things like that takes months sometimes over a year to do it’s not as simple as writing a sentence.. and Apple is not the kind of company to rush something like that.
Actually I have my degree in software engineering and I develop for Android, so I think I know more than enough. Its simple to write these kinds of features. I've written big features plenty of times, by myself in only a couple of days lol
Coding these features is incredilby easy and quick to do if you know what to do. Which apple software engineers probaly do. And most of the time these companies know what they are doing before the general public does. They communicate with journalists and big app developers. Just because something makes a lot of money and is succesful doesn't mean it's hard to do. The first version of instagram could probaly be coded in 1 day by an experienced software engineer. The difficult part is coming up with the ideas and making them look attractive, not the coding.
LtexprsGamimg i HOPE you’re right. Things might be better this year. But Google has to PROVE it. It has to actually happen. I hope it does, but will have to wait and see. Every other promise of fixing this problem hasn’t panned out well. - Dieter
The Verge thats the same story all over again! Just throw it in the market and 3rd party developers wilp figure out how implement it in their devices! Google needs to force PT on to the manufacturers!
Wajahat Butt The Verge THEY DO FORCE IT (at least if you want play services and Android o out of the box on your phone). But some OEMs (*cough *cough Samsung *cough *cough) don't really use it that much. (Samsung S9 is still on 8.0.0 while 8.1.0 has been out for more than half an year). It seems to me like there is a large demographic that doesn't care about updates or, more likely, isn't aware they are an issue. Otherwise Xiaomi and Samsung wouldn't keep all those gimmicks in MiUI and TouchWiz. There can be a stock-like skin, with all the Google stuff replaced by Samsung stuff on the home screen, except the play store, which is still in the dock. The other Google stuff can be in a folder, somewhere .Since TouchWiz doesn't look like this, the demographic above is pretty big. This demographic also seems to care a lot about the sheer number of features, regardless of the overall user experience. Sorry for the caps. Also this reply might seem a bit harsh on Samsung and Xiaomi, and I really did not intend it to.
Well not entirely. The minimalist design is basically rooted in the VW ads from the 1960s, just look them up. They really feel similar to the apple minimalist design approach and sure, they added their own style to it but after all it is about who copied from whom. At least as far as design goes, nothing is really original.
Well that's just proof that that is what people like/want nowadays or else they woudn't be doing that because then people wouldn't buy their respective products.
Yes, and that comes at a great cost. Giving up so much of your personal data to the google cloud. I feel Apple's approach with on device machine learning and end to end encryption is better.
Actually, Apple Copyed Essential Phone, wich is a Android Phone. And the Jack didnt disapear on all Android Phones. Also, u cant say "Android" is copying anything from Apple bcs Android is a Software and Apple a Company..
Just realize, how much power Apple has, they make products that people make their entire living on it. The world economy thrives on computer/macs. The influence a company has Apple is just crazy. 💯
Daniyal Khan You can copy everyone and everything but if you copy something that is copyrighted then then you are in trouble samsung copied some key features from iPhone. By the way do you know anything how this world works? By looking at your comments I think you are 10 year old with no knowledge of outside world. Lol😂
Daniyal Khan No, I could say tons more but getting into petty squabbles launching 300 word dissertations is ridiculously pointless. No one has ever changed anyone’s mind doing this and seeing as it is my money, I’m going to buy what I feel is better...FOR ME! Now go ahead...argue amongst yourselves.
I like the pixel but my almost three year old 6s is still running smoothly and is an absolute unit, I’ve dropped this thing countless times without a case and it’s fine.
Google Assistant can make customizable actions like Siri. Google actually been able to do this for over a year. It's just difficult to find but it's called Shortcuts. I can configure it to respond to the Keyword "Who am I" and it respond "You are Batman, not the nipple suit Batman but the I'm gonna save the world Batman" then it plays the Batman theme song. After that it tells me the weather and my agenda. It's awesome what you can configure it to do.
Google: we know what you want. Trust us. Apple: we let you configure stuff. You have the power to control stuff. Interesting how both companies have reversed their stance in last decade.
I will personally blow literally every single person commenting on how great google assistant is if duplex comes out and is even HALF as good as demoed. Remember, Google has a history of showing off lots of cool stuff that never actually comes out or is kind of half-baked upon release.
OmenBoy- oh really?.. then why is apple copying Android, and not the other way around? Seems to me you apple pods are the ones that have the inferiority complex.
then if other brands make a phone or application similar to what Apple has already implemented the fans say that "they are copying to apple" but if apple do something similar to others it means that they are innovating...
It’s a general misconception that they copy or follow each other.... each company planned their product roadmaps years ahead, and again you can’t judge things based on the selection of their annual software update events. Google just announced earlier and Apple wouldn’t care to be the first and change their schedule.
That last point was painfully true -- Apple will actually ship their latest and greatest software to most of their devices while Android users have to wait for ages before they can get a hold of the latest version. I've been an Android user for years and this aspect of Android has always annoyed me. I wish Android OEMs would pay more attention to their devices and support them for longer.
Unfortunately, what I see as the worst part of Apple is ever-present... the walled garden. They don't play well with others. Almost no services are cross-platform and so many things are locked down. This is not the case for Google, so I wish they'd take a page out of that book too.
Dieter, you're to The Verge what Danny O'Dwyer was to Gamespot. You are such a big reason this channel is being watched, and you're doing a fantastic job with every video. Don't have much else to say, except please keep it up!
You can already make custom shortcuts in google assistant right now I don't know why noone is talking about those. Probably coz most of the reviewers themselves haven't bothered enough with the settings. But yeah try going to your google assistant settings and you can set commands to launch applications currently. I don't know why noone ever mentions that. You can also create whole routines just say good morning to your google assistant and itll explain you how they work
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who saw the iOS features are almost same as what Google announced. None of the other tech TH-camrs didn't seem to emphasize on this rather get more excited about the iOS features 🤔
That tiny sliver of people also come from custom roms. People like me will always enjoy the latest android os with the newest security patches because of custom roms. Also I'll have full control over the OS.
What are you most excited about after these developer conferences? - Dieter
The Verge .....
The Verge The new features in the OS to code for
The future of apps. Android apps and dev tools on Chromebooks, UIKit apps on MacBooks.
Buying a Pixel 3 lol!!
Memoji....
Apple giving configuration
Google asking you to have faith
Is the biggest wierdest turn of events
I was thinking JUST THIS. It is so weird to see the tables literally turned
This.
It’s wild! - dieter
Google give you configurations in addition to faith. Best of both worlds
Vinnie Sifter
You can deny the Earth is round but it doesn't change anything. Google Assistant has "routines" where you can create custom commands. Yes flexibility isn't 100% but nevertheless, you can customize commands OR put your faith in best AI assistant there is.
Even though I'm not an Apple fan, I'm still very glad that someone is pursuing the local processing way without the cloud. End to end encryption and data security and privacy is very important for some people and it is respectable that Apple provides an alternative to Googles approach.
tiredkiris Open sources. Typing this from Fedora Linux 27+ KDE 5.
amen 🙏🏼
tiredkiris
What if your phone gets lost
@Bigot Detector: I'm no Apple expert but don't they also have features to find a phone? I don't get the question honestly.
tiredkiris
Both android and ios have "find my phone"
I'm happy that my generation has finally gotten old enough to get into tech journalism and happily exclaim "YO" when talking about something they like.
Flora LMAO
"An Apple a day keeps Google away" lol
8:05
Dani Ihza Farrosi cut for time: “It’s too bad the CEO is named Tim instead of Adam, because if his name was Adam I could write a story called ........ -Dieter
True, very true!
Despacito 21 confirmed by The Verge.
not funny 😒😒
an Apple a day keeps you broke
Group notifications are gonna be awesome for all those tinder notifications I don't get
Jake Roman 😂😂😂
Say something funny: 2 likes. Say “Google is better than Apple”: get 100 likes. Sigh...
Did anyone else think of IFTTT while hearing about Shortcuts and Slices like me ?
Navaneeth M Nambiar I actually thought of Workflow. Very similar interface and Apple actually bought the thing, so yeah.
Not when slices were announced, but yes when shortcuts were mentioned, I thought but there is already a third party app, IFTTT, doing almost similar stuff
Navaneeth M Nambiar, yep I did think of IFTTT when they announced Shortcuts!!!
Shortcuts is about stuff happening when you say something to Siri (when I say this do that), while IFTTT is more about stuff happening after an action (when this happens do that). Right?
And yes shortcuts is probably based on workflow.
I’ve already setup a shortcut in iOS 12 that performs a workflow that performs an IFTTT recipe. My non-HomeKit lights work with Siri now!
Guys you have to stop with this "old Android phones don't get new features" bullcrap. The Google Assistant is updated via the Google app on All devices running 6.0 or higher. If you have a phone from 2014 that runs MM you ALREADY have Google Assistant's Routines which was now ripped off by Apple's Shortcuts. You don't need OS updates to get new Google Assistant features, unlike that poor and pathetic Siri. This is why Android is miles ahead. It's an open platform that gets updated via it's apps. Yes fragmentation is bad, but iOS users don't seem to understand the difference between their locked down OS and this open one.
If 6% of Android devices is running latest version of Android that's mean still 120 million people is using latest OS version. (There are 2 Billion 'Active' Android devices). That is not a small number. You can still say it 'Millions and Million People'
What people keep forgetting is that Microsoft is actually on the verge of making the bridge between PC and phone obsolete by allowing Windows to run on ARM - not just apps.
supernpstr I wanted to include a whole section about how Windows UWP / Windows Store apps / whatever were doing the “get mobile apps on the desktop” thing before it was cool. But it would have made this video so loong. - Dieter
Thanks Dieter! I understand. It will be a giant battle I guess in the future - which is better, Andoird Apps on Chromebooks, IOS apps Macs or full Windows on the Snapdragon CPUs. That will be interesting. Maybe thats MS strategy - hey we dont have windows phones, but just call each device a windows device and everything runs everywhere.
Windows running on ARM is too little too late and something they already did years ago that absolutely did not take (I would know, I bought one of their first gen ARM tablets). Microsoft is less and less relevant in the consumer space every day and as great as they’re doing in the enterprise market phones are still the most important computers around and no one is asking their phones to be more like the PC they have laying around somewhere collecting dust that they associate with work.
supernpstr
I just don't care
Because nobody opts to use Windows unless they have to.
Isn't that the whole point?.. Two competing OS doing their thing to either simplify how we do things or multiply our productivity. It shouldn't be seen in a comparisons angle but having these big tech going at it is great for us as consumers...
I agree. Ford vs. Chevy, Honda vs. Toyota...etc. It's a cycle that we all like to watch and get hyped up about. It's about choice, essentially.
Your puns were great, but your face while delivering them was the best. 😆
As a developer, I think both the companies are pushing its developer core to more mobile app building. I think its not very far in future where desktops apps are made completely in the mobile app development environment and would work just as efficiently as a native desktop application.
pranab091 I would really like to have final cut pro x in like let's say an iPad
Dieter, your jokes at the end there made me groan so loud my neighbors filed a noise complaint.
If we all bought Google Pixel phones which are almost the same price as the apple phones than Updates are not a problem in android... Maybe not a fair comparison dieter, Since android offers such various devices for their customers.
Faraz Shayk Over long term you wont get updates thpugh as new devices come out...eg iphone 5s will still be supported...this is its 6 year man
KARTIK SHARMA and slow down our phone? I rather they stop update for old device. For me as long the phone had what I need, I don't need any other update. And only tech savvy probably care about this update thing. All my normal friends didn't care about that, some are hate it because they don't know what this update do, and here in my country data plan are expensive, they don't want to waste for something they didn't know.
Esther Takumi updates aren’t compulsory and they only slow down your phone if your battery is depleted. If you replace the battery the phone doesn’t slow down.
Jack R Most phone force us to update in notification, and it annoying for most people. About that battery I don't know, most of the time it slow down my phone even tho I change the battery. I'm always change my battery after recent time. And same thing happen, still slow down.
The "yooo" right before he starts talking about the photos app. LoL
😂😂😂
Wow! This is the best summary video I’ve seen yet!
I would call it the best propaganda video I've ever seen. Amazing how the innovator got slammed while the copier (ie: Apple) got all the praise. Yea, let's complain against the smart Google assistant... why don't you talk about the stupid (yet secure) useless Siri... lol!
In terms of hardware its more like the other way around 😅
10 Google laughed at Apple for removing the headphone jack. Oh wait, what is missing on the pixel 2?
That's why Apple makes its ram and oled screens.. And romeved the home button. IPhonex is Samsungs design and hardware
As much as it hurt initially, you have to appreciate the fact that by removing the headphone jack on the iPhone Apple managed to kickstart a massive wave of innovation in wireless headphones that was long overdue.
10 Google is reportedly adding the notch on the Pixel 3 XL. Buy the Pixel 3 normal and it will be a smaller version of the Pixel 2 XL. Same screen format and, as always, front facing speakers
Gianci whether you like it or not, Apple has set the craftsmanship for hardware quality
Okay Apple is getting better,still not a fan tho.
You are a fan. Don't be shy to admit it. There's no shame in it. I'm a Google fan boy and not ashamed. I don't hate apple, but I will never use or buy their products because they don't suit my preferences.
1 company's job is to get and sell your data to the highest bidder (thats their main business model), the others is to protect your data and sell you products you'll like and will hopefully come back to buy. To Google you are the product being sold. To apple you are a consumer.
Afram Yirdaw You're using a Google product to share this opinion.. 😪
Not a fan lol just a tech lover 😂😂
Didnt say I didnt use it, just comparing the companies. Plus we're kind of forced to anyways since they have a monopoly on content.
But still, Google assistant can make phone calls, What can Siri Do? "I'm not sure I understand".
Shivson D yes Siri can my friend
I’m pretty sure Siri makes calls my friend.
Aniruddh Ingle
Apple can never achieve that
😂
Bigot Detector Do you have an idea how big Apple is? Saying Apple will never achieve that is just ignorant.
I guess you could say, “Apple is on _the verge_ of becoming Google...”
I think Apple is doing great, at least iOS 12 from this beta seems way better than when iOS 11 Dev Beta 1 released. The new features even though Google came up with them 1st don't reach the same amount of people as Apple does so...I'm glad I have an iPhone.
Google assistant is far better than google siri...
harsh kumar well, that's Google assistant and apple siri
Anirban Dutta
😀typo mistake!!!
harsh kumar It will always be better too, because Apple favors privacy. One isn’t “better” than the other, but they are vastly different. If you want features or if you value privacy, you’re going to sacrifice SOMETHING.
Marques *Kumar* brownllee
Get it
Google siri lol wtf?
I agree - it’s rather surprising that Apple makes the user set something up rather than have it “just work” on defaults. I’d be curious to see any default shortcuts for Siri that are included.
Microsoft did it before apple. Microsoft's UWP approach is the future. same app runs almost on any form factor device. Sad developers had no interest and Windows 10 mobile became obselete.
6 year WP8/W10M user here, so I know something.
Again, Dieter shows why he's the best Verge host 😂
Very well put together
Apples photo search has been around since iOS 11 and the For You section is essentially memories again from iOS 11
AJSpence33 both got significantly improved tho
ios 10
They also keep mentioning that iCloud Keychain recommending strong passwords is a new feature, but that's been around forever.
Cool, but Android has had it since like 2014.
Google has had the feature since 2009. App called Google Goggles 👀
I had mentioned to my wife, a few months back, on how cool would it be if you could use your phone to play tag or paint ball with augmented reality...and now that kids are getting phones earlier and earlier, what if augmented reality got kids to go out and play outside again? Using your phone, parks could be the battle ground. Got the idea originally when Pokémon created the craze and Pokemon stations using augmented reality.
I have an Android phone, MacBook laptop, and Windows gaming PC. And it's perfect for me
Lewis LA ✎ Great combination.
I kinda hope you're a Google fan, cos you talk about Google in such a loving way.
Apple is becoming Google Plus and I’m loving Apple more ;)
'Apple ships' is the reason I prefer to stay in the apple ecosystem. I think both google and apple have their own strengths but usually with android I had to play the waiting game and most oems don't deliver properly. Getting a pixel like most people recommend is not a solution until google figures out hardware quality control and distributes them worldwide (recent nexus and pixel are not available in my country)
At least Apple's devices from 2013 will get it. The nexus was found dead
but the thing is: do u want to upgrade?
yes, i know ios 12 is a lot better than ios 11. But for people who uses old iPhones, ios 9 and 10 is the way to go.
Hoàng Minh Nguyễn Yes you should, for security, bug fixes and support for new apps.
first, the perfomance is somehow sooooo bad. My iPhone 6 (not really mine but i use it a lot) is iOS 9 and it's 'burning' so much (i mean it's HOT). second, as a normal user, we don't really need that much security. I'm ok with sharing all of my personal information with Google Assistant. The security on iOS is awesome, but many of iPhone users don't need that much. and the app store is so good, it's good enough that we still have decent games and apps to use in old iOS versions. iOS is good, but it does not as good for me and a lot of other people as Android
Hoàng Minh Nguyễn You do need it, there’s a way of plugging ur phone via usb and it opens it. And everyone benefits from improved performance and stability. And you get support for newer apps
i tried an ios 11 iphone 6 and it's even lagger than the ios 9 one. and i dont think i need that much security on my phone. im not that kind of person who stores everything on the phone nor the cloud. the only way to protect data for me is the physical way
It's interesting how Google Assistant has made the dynamic of "It just works" to Google from Apple. Siri Shortcuts don't "just work". Exciting times!
I really appreciate how Apple focuses on user data privacy. Googles way is you give me all your data and let me run my algorithms on your data, learn from it and evolve and then also suggest stuff like shared albums etc. Apples approach, specially with on device machine learning and end to end encryption for shared albums is a more nuanced and professional way of going about things.
Also, great job on the video, loved it! Being a traditional mkbhd follower, I have to admit I'm more excited now about new content from Dieter Bohn. Really good stuff being delivered consistently!
Vishal Singh On device machine learning requires extra hardware for that. So tell me how google can deliver that experience to low powered devices efficiently? Google harnessed Cloud power saves lot of power on your device too
Karan Reddy, yes no doubt. But I'm not sure how many people are aware of as to what kind of data and how much of it is sent to Google cloud. And if they were made aware of it, would all of them still want to participate?
Vishal Singh, do you use Google? Because I do extensively. They're amazing at letting their users understand how they use our data in a very understandable manner and (as of today in Europe with GDPR) you can pretty much disable everything you don't want them to gather.
Martynas Jurkus agreed, and yes I'm an android user. And yes, today as of gdpr yes things have changed. But only for people who are aware of it. Here in India, the average Joe has no idea about it. But I'm sure if I ask him to visit takeout.google.com or myactivity.google.com he'd be shocked to see the level of info that Google collects on him including random audio clips. When I first saw all of that, I realized Google knew more about me than my closest relative. That was shocking and also, just the tip of the iceberg.
Well yeah, but you go to privacy settings, disable audio recording, tracking, etc. and delete everything they have on you and you're pretty much done.
I'm an apple user, but still have to use google photos, bc of free unlimited storage - can't beat that
So they took a *Page* out of Google's handbook, but will they be able to do a *Jobs* on them?
Sebastian Elytron not Google rather Microsoft..
That Tailor reference...
"The Google way - you just have to trust Google." Yeah, that's the statement of the video right there.
Toyota makes cars that drive. BMW makes cars that drive. 🤷♂️
Dieter Bohn revolutionized The Verge.
Everyone on the Android platform watch this to the very end and listen very close to the difference between Apple & google that he points out. You will see one of many reasons that Apple has such a loyal customer following!
George Nielsen explain your point
The way I see it is both apple and Google have loyal followings. People like different things
I like my data to be private and encrypted too.
whitesketchbook
then you should use a paper notebook and not a phone
Hahahaha poor Apple always trying to copy Google and this is obvious Apple needs to add a little of their own to show their selves apart so they choose this little thing called end to end encryption
I definitely wouldn't compare Slices to Shortcuts. Slices is basically just a first party implementation of IFTTT or Tasker; it's meant to give power to the users. Shortcuts expose meaningful actions to you at times that the Assistant deems helpful; it makes the Assistant more... assistant-y, and the users benefit from that extra capability that the assistant has. If you want programmable triggers on Android, I don't know why you haven't tried either of those 3rd party options yet.
"yoooo"
Sadly we still don't have wellbeing app in beta/dev preview. I hope they don't delay it. Like they did with that object removal thing in Google photos.
I love Apple. They never put you on dust as an customer
They give software updates for very long time, most reliable costumer service and many more
You have to admit that
Prathamesh Chaudhari Seeing as though their high end mobile products are about $200 overpriced I'd expect that.
Great customer service? Great until you suffer a issues caused by there design faults.
You have the iPhone 4 antenna gate - hold the iPhone 4 a certain way and you 100% lost service, Apple fix was to sell you a case.
Then you have the power button failure on the iPhone 4,4s,5 and 5s - apple didn't see this as a flaw until 6 months after the iPhone 5s release and then after that fixed it for free.
Next you have the iPhone 6 bend gate/ touch disease issue. Apple before the launch of the iPhone 6/6plus knew the iPhone 6 had bending issue and up until the recent lawsuit Apple has been making customers pay $150 to fix bent/touch disease iPhones.
Lastly we don't know the outcome yet but it was revealed the iPhone 6,6s, and 7 all have battery issues. So far apple has charged customers $30 instead of $80 to replace batteries. Once again Apple is hiding something. I say that because it happens with multiple iPhone models so you can't say it was a bad batch of batteries because each phone is released a year apart.
I'm not saying iPhones are bad devices. Some people probably never suffered from a issues listed above and never will but it's the fact that Apple tries to tell there customers you caused this not us and not owing up to there mistakes that makes me feel totally different about there support.
Prathamesh Chaudhari not always good update
I used to be a diehard Android user. Back in the day an HTC guy, then eventually an LG guy. Over time though, as I watched the Android ecosystem become more and more fractured, and jaded by consistently being left with ancient security patches and false promises of updates to the latest version, I got fed up.
Owned an iPad Mini 2 since early 2014, and that thing still gets regular updates to the latest versions of iOS and full security patches. Still just as snappy as when I bought it, even with the limited multitasking in larger modern apps due to only 1GB of RAM. Even 4 years later, if I have a problem or just need an issue checked out, I can just walk into a local Apple store and talk to somebody in person to help diagnose the issue.
When I needed to pick a new device late last year, I decided I wanted to go back to a smaller formfactor device. Other requirements were for timely updates to the latest software, proven software support for at least 3 years and ideally 5, easily accessible support, and solid battery life. That left me with pretty much just the iPhone 8 and Pixel 2 within my budget range. Didn't really like the Pixel 2 all that much, so ended up with the iP8. So far, I'd have to say out of every phone I've ever owned, it's been my favourite.
I would like to note that the rest of my computing devices consist of a constantly upgraded gaming PC, Google Pixelbook, mid-size Windows laptop, and a few Google Home units.
"Apple fix was to sell you a case. "
Every iPhone 4 owner was eligible for a free case, or a refund if they had previously purchased one.
"it was revealed the iPhone 6,6s, and 7 all have battery issues"
These are not production flaws or defects, the "issue" is something that all lithium-ion powered devices suffer from - battery degredation over long periods of usage. As the packs age, not only does capacity decrease (shorter battery life in general), but eventually they are unable to adequately provide the current needed by the device below a certain charge level. This leads to devices both restart loops when trying to perform a CPU-heavy task, and the device shutting down and requiring charging even though the battery meter still indicated adequate charge remaining.
The solution to this issue is to throttle power consumption to avoid the high peaks that cause the battery voltage to drop below the minimum threshold. This causes performance slowdowns, but avoids the frustration of constant restarts when trying to perform a task. I'd rather have a slow phone that's still usable over a quick phone that is unable to perform the tasks I need once below a certain battery level due to restarts.
If they had rolled out the throttling changes in the state they are today, everything would have been peachy. They should have made an announcement detailing the issues caused by worn out batteries, and how a toggleable throttling feature would avoid restarting issues on those devices. Pair that with encouragement for owners of those devices to bring them in for a discounted battery replacement program and you've got a winner.
How did it come to compare Siri's shortcuts and Android P Slices?
1. Slices is a completely different story
2. There're Google Assistant's shortcuts and routines. You should compare them to Siri's ones
I don’t know why reviewers and many other people don’t understand the fact that when it comes to software ,the features present in it needs to be thought and made over a long period of time. All I want to say is that APPLE CANNOT COPY GOOGLE IN JUST ONE FREAKING MONTH. The grouped notifications, the optimisation for older devices, the screen-time feature were thought to be developed last year itself, and not just last month. The features maybe same as that of Android, but it doesn’t mean that Apple copied google.
Vishrut Vatsa you sir deserve more likes
Same thing I say when people say Digimon was copied from Pokémon
This is a lie. Unless you have a software engineering degree, I suggest you not even speak on the process behind creating such features. Most of these features can be made in a few days, especially with a huge development team
@Chris Crump I agree and it happens a lot in the gaming industry
Similarities between macOS Mojave and Microsoft Windows
- Gallery View
- Dark Mode
- Metadata Sidebar
- Markup
... great minds do think alike
I don't think Apple is copying Google approach How can a company copy features in one month? better u say they have the same ideas
Its not really that hard to implement these kinds of features. They literally take a day or 2 for one person to code. Imagine a building full of developers lol
Chris Crump Obviously you don’t know nothing about coding.. things like that takes months sometimes over a year to do it’s not as simple as writing a sentence.. and Apple is not the kind of company to rush something like that.
Actually I have my degree in software engineering and I develop for Android, so I think I know more than enough. Its simple to write these kinds of features. I've written big features plenty of times, by myself in only a couple of days lol
Come on man there are 1000 of developers in Apple who can do stuff in days
Coding these features is incredilby easy and quick to do if you know what to do. Which apple software engineers probaly do. And most of the time these companies know what they are doing before the general public does. They communicate with journalists and big app developers. Just because something makes a lot of money and is succesful doesn't mean it's hard to do. The first version of instagram could probaly be coded in 1 day by an experienced software engineer. The difficult part is coming up with the ideas and making them look attractive, not the coding.
Finally someone caught it, Thank you Verge
You are forgetting one important thing about the Android OS. PROJECT TREBLE.
LtexprsGamimg google duplex
LtexprsGamimg i HOPE you’re right. Things might be better this year. But Google has to PROVE it. It has to actually happen. I hope it does, but will have to wait and see. Every other promise of fixing this problem hasn’t panned out well. - Dieter
The Verge thats the same story all over again! Just throw it in the market and 3rd party developers wilp figure out how implement it in their devices! Google needs to force PT on to the manufacturers!
Wajahat Butt The Verge THEY DO FORCE IT (at least if you want play services and Android o out of the box on your phone). But some OEMs (*cough *cough Samsung *cough *cough) don't really use it that much. (Samsung S9 is still on 8.0.0 while 8.1.0 has been out for more than half an year).
It seems to me like there is a large demographic that doesn't care about updates or, more likely, isn't aware they are an issue. Otherwise Xiaomi and Samsung wouldn't keep all those gimmicks in MiUI and TouchWiz. There can be a stock-like skin, with all the Google stuff replaced by Samsung stuff on the home screen, except the play store, which is still in the dock. The other Google stuff can be in a folder, somewhere .Since TouchWiz doesn't look like this, the demographic above is pretty big. This demographic also seems to care a lot about the sheer number of features, regardless of the overall user experience.
Sorry for the caps. Also this reply might seem a bit harsh on Samsung and Xiaomi, and I really did not intend it to.
More like project terrible. Lmao
I was expecting how Apple WWDC format kinds of resemble Google IO, not down to the actual features of the software.
I mean google is acting like Apple. Eg the device prices etc and the minimalist look and design pioneered by Apple
Hamid Mohammad True! I think these companies are both acting a lot more like each other, chasing the same trends - Dieter
Well not entirely. The minimalist design is basically rooted in the VW ads from the 1960s, just look them up. They really feel similar to the apple minimalist design approach and sure, they added their own style to it but after all it is about who copied from whom. At least as far as design goes, nothing is really original.
No Braun
Well that's just proof that that is what people like/want nowadays or else they woudn't be doing that because then people wouldn't buy their respective products.
I agree that nothing is original but surely something is more iconic that the other.
It's like Google and Apple sat down and discussed where software should go next
Google is better than Apple. Like if agree. ;)
Plot twist google and apple are owned by a shadow organization. #IlluminatiConfirmed😂
Apple end to end encryption on apple photos? Ring a bell? Fapening fail LOL..
A google a day keeps an apple away , you can't live without google but you can without apple. 😅😂
Google is better
Well that depends because in some cases that's true but in some other cases it isn't.
ROBERT DAVis2271 will you get the new update from google like in 6 years😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, and that comes at a great cost. Giving up so much of your personal data to the google cloud. I feel Apple's approach with on device machine learning and end to end encryption is better.
Keep dreaming.
The whole thing with UIKit... that's something similar to what Microsoft did with UWP right?
Shreyas Joshi No. Microsoft's UWP platform is much more fledged and useful. UIKit is like baby steps compared to UWP.
Nothing wrong with copying, just like Android is copying the notch and no headphone jack
Haha
coping lol
Actually, Apple Copyed Essential Phone, wich is a Android Phone. And the Jack didnt disapear on all Android Phones. Also, u cant say "Android" is copying anything from Apple bcs Android is a Software and Apple a Company..
Android is the operating system, not the phone. Different manufacturers copy, not the OS.
Dylan Crawford Yeah but the operating system has to be set up differently to allow for the notch the new version of Android says it all
Just realize, how much power Apple has, they make products that people make their entire living on it. The world economy thrives on computer/macs.
The influence a company has Apple is just crazy.
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Apple is copying Android best features not doing anything new...
Saddam Sayyad New? Nope, but miles better...i.e. ar emoji vs Memoji. No contest...
Andrid basically copied the touch based UI from the first iphone. But both been copying each others best features ever since
Daniyal Khan You can copy everyone and everything but if you copy something that is copyrighted then then you are in trouble samsung copied some key features from iPhone. By the way do you know anything how this world works? By looking at your comments I think you are 10 year old with no knowledge of outside world. Lol😂
Daniyal Khan No, I could say tons more but getting into petty squabbles launching 300 word dissertations is ridiculously pointless. No one has ever changed anyone’s mind doing this and seeing as it is my money, I’m going to buy what I feel is better...FOR ME! Now go ahead...argue amongst yourselves.
Well that's called the market!Because the amound of supply is dependant on the amount of companies.
I like the pixel but my almost three year old 6s is still running smoothly and is an absolute unit, I’ve dropped this thing countless times without a case and it’s fine.
Apple is more like Google but always does better job than Google.😂
Hongjin Yang not at all. Google does it better.
Google Assistant can make customizable actions like Siri. Google actually been able to do this for over a year. It's just difficult to find but it's called Shortcuts. I can configure it to respond to the Keyword "Who am I" and it respond "You are Batman, not the nipple suit Batman but the I'm gonna save the world Batman" then it plays the Batman theme song. After that it tells me the weather and my agenda. It's awesome what you can configure it to do.
GOOGLE IS BETTER !!!
no
yes
Google: we know what you want. Trust us.
Apple: we let you configure stuff. You have the power to control stuff.
Interesting how both companies have reversed their stance in last decade.
I will personally blow literally every single person commenting on how great google assistant is if duplex comes out and is even HALF as good as demoed. Remember, Google has a history of showing off lots of cool stuff that never actually comes out or is kind of half-baked upon release.
The difference between Apple and Google? - "Apple ships."
Apple still sucks
they are greedy money
OmenBoy- oh really?.. then why is apple copying Android, and not the other way around? Seems to me you apple pods are the ones that have the inferiority complex.
then if other brands make a phone or application similar to what Apple has already implemented the fans say that "they are copying to apple" but if apple do something similar to others it means that they are innovating...
GOOGLE IS BETTER THAN APPLE
An apple a day keeps the google away!
Wajahat Butt and also a wallet away.
It’s a general misconception that they copy or follow each other.... each company planned their product roadmaps years ahead, and again you can’t judge things based on the selection of their annual software update events. Google just announced earlier and Apple wouldn’t care to be the first and change their schedule.
Apple the new Google?
Sualeh Irfan lol how? They're both entirely different companies. These are just the different styles the companies have in their executions.
Apple the new 3 class copy of Google
Sualeh Irfan and mircrosoft is the new apple
Fahad Muneeb maybe maybe not!
Aditya Singh yup
When will we get the Google features that got announced on S9+? So hyped for so many of them!
But can you now dismiss an incoming call from your screen without ignoring it and ending it completely?
That last point was painfully true -- Apple will actually ship their latest and greatest software to most of their devices while Android users have to wait for ages before they can get a hold of the latest version. I've been an Android user for years and this aspect of Android has always annoyed me. I wish Android OEMs would pay more attention to their devices and support them for longer.
Unfortunately, what I see as the worst part of Apple is ever-present... the walled garden. They don't play well with others. Almost no services are cross-platform and so many things are locked down. This is not the case for Google, so I wish they'd take a page out of that book too.
Dieter, you're to The Verge what Danny O'Dwyer was to Gamespot. You are such a big reason this channel is being watched, and you're doing a fantastic job with every video. Don't have much else to say, except please keep it up!
Who else loving these short documentaries from Dieter? I am loving it so far!
Loving the new informative videos from The Verge. Well done guys!
How funny is that, Google is getting more "simplified" and Apple is getting more "custom" and "finer user controls"
Is no one gonna mention that "Routines" has existed in Google Assistant for quite a while now. Essentially the same thing as Shortcuts.
You can already make custom shortcuts in google assistant right now I don't know why noone is talking about those. Probably coz most of the reviewers themselves haven't bothered enough with the settings. But yeah try going to your google assistant settings and you can set commands to launch applications currently. I don't know why noone ever mentions that. You can also create whole routines just say good morning to your google assistant and itll explain you how they work
Apple:
“Have an iPhone from 2013 and a MacBook from 2012? We got you, fam.”
Google:
“Have an Android phone from 2016?” Lol Sorry, brah.”
Google really needs to find a way to push updates to a larger number of devices.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who saw the iOS features are almost same as what Google announced. None of the other tech TH-camrs didn't seem to emphasize on this rather get more excited about the iOS features 🤔
I love Dieter inexplicably much
The difference is...nobody is going to use Google's dashboard. But once it's on the iPhone it'll blow up.
i love this series. please keep this momentum up. thank you for your hard work
That tiny sliver of people also come from custom roms. People like me will always enjoy the latest android os with the newest security patches because of custom roms. Also I'll have full control over the OS.
The soul of this video feels so much similar to a TechAltar video.
"An Apple a day..............................." hahahahaha
Imagine if we all used Apple's way of private photos...collective machine learning for society's benefit would take like a century longer.
Despite Apple copying features from Google, I'd still root for Apple as they value security and privacy more than their Google counterpart.
Do u use google photos or iCloud photos library?
The for you stuff in photos has always been their since iOS 9
Siri shortcuts is more similar to Google Assistant routines rather than slices.
Now that Google and Apple both have it, let's wait for a few weeks for Samsung to come up with its own version of digital wellbeing app.