Say what you want about birdly, he quickly realized that there was something wrong with his friend and put his life on to try and save her. Yes, he was acting the fool in the normal run, but you can see he genuinely is serious in this run and dropped the whole "I'm better than you" act and just focused on trying to save Noel from you. That's a good friend right there
i don’t think Noelle’s reaction is talked about enough. Even though Berdly definitely gets on her nerves, they’re still shown to be good friends. The moment when she realizes that she was about to freeze berdly without a second thought must’ve terrified her.
And the inability to cope with what she just did so just. Walking back to the mansion (Which she calls home, implying she sees it as safer than being with you)
I'm surprised given how much she actually barely stands him and they stay 'friends' only by him constantly putting her down because he's terrified of going back to the worthless nothing he was BEFORE he leeched onto her.
Noelle is talking to the player, not Kris, this also happens during Snowgrabe Spamton NEO fight, "You whispered Noelle's name." also referencing that YOU caused Snowgrave to happen, YOU wanted this, therefore this references that in this run, the players is the asshole here.
I can still hear their voice is really terrifying, we use her as a puppet and also (not about the video) y'know spamton always talked about being puppet during his fight and us the player is one who uses them(kris susie ralsei noelle) as a puppet during fights we decide what to do
@@ItsB1998 the knight is the one that open dark foutain, and in the end of chap2 we can see kris open a foutaine.beetween dark and light world , so maybe the knigh is kris
@@anostar620 Here, Ima fix the spelling because why not: "The knight is the one who opened the first fountain, In the end of Chapter 2, We see kris opening one themself. Possibly meaning they are the knight."
Fact: even if kris was down noelle says that she still heared voices this was because kris wasnt manipulating noelle WE (the player) are doing it another hint that this is true is in the spamton neo fight in the genocide/snowgrave rute, there kris calls for help and the box says "KRIS called for help" but when we call noelle the text box says "YOU whispered noelle's name" and it would be ilogical that ralsei and susie didnt hear kris when he just screamed but magically if you whispered to noelle she would come to help you
@@Kurotheskeleton_YT As comment said already:YOU and YOU actually is a Soul inside Kris's body,YOU was whispered Noelle's name and she came because you did tell her to
So, for anyone that didn't see the other video During Spamton's NEO fight, when you call Noel. It says "You whispered" instead of "Kris called" It says YOU, NOT KRIS!
@@wolfenden9805 Kris just wants more people to be involved in his world, he wants to show people how good his world is, that's why he opened a portal in the library and slashed the tyres outside, so undyne would come over and enter the dark world he had now forced Toriel in.
@@kibtti or maybe he's evil. Or maybe that isn't kris and actually both the player and kris are competing with a 3rd party for control (evidence being the narration vastly changes style when you enter the bathroom at the end of chapter 2)
yet darker the darkness keeps growing shadows cutting deeper photon readings negative this next experiment seems very very interesting... what do you two think ?
@@neon7080 Well, I can already bet that Gaster used determination to create a well of darkness, I am even convinced that Gaster fell into a dark world that was of his own creation. Maybe Gaster is a darkner that turned into a statue and shattered across multiple dark worlds or something. He didn’t even need to turn completely into a statue, Rouxls didn’t convert into a statue completely. Perhaps that’s how a gaster follower was holding a piece of him and another gaster follower said that Gaster was listening. One peculiar thing to note is that the blue pillars with red lights on top standing in the darkness spanning the base of the core in undertale are called in game “darkness totems”.
@@levelmakertoiletpaperediti1778 it probably depends on how u play it. u can put kris through hell or not, and by that point, there will only be the player to blame for how horrifying of a tragedy they conduct.
I mean, this time, even in canon, all chapter endings make Kris' odd dark side into this really... ominous thing where Genocide/Snowgrave on some level is actually semi-canon regardless of what you do. ._. For all the fluff, even more than Undertale, it basically already is a horror game, LOL. :p But... okay, I guess what you're saying is more like... Silent Hill levels of horror game, maybe even on the "Normal" route, LOL. XD But seriously, those endings are kind of messed up to begin with. :p
I know that this is true for most dialogue sprites in this game, but I can't help but notice how Noelle makes direct eye contact with the player when she loses her temper at 2:54
chara and kris are incredibly similar. might even be alternate versions of each other. the message wasnt properly read by many in undertale, sadly, but deltarune seems to intend to honor the poor scapegoat of undertale's dreemurr family by being more brutally transparent in the consequences of the player's actions, which is why im so fucking excited to buy the game. sincerely, someone who wants the best for these 2 humans
if Birdly is still “sleeping” in the computer lab, his spirit or watever is still in that dark world, still frozen, waiting to be melted by someone or time. The other thing is when he (prob) wakes up hes gonna literally be ice on the table.
the problem is that when sealing the dark fountain, the dark world is actually gone, permanently, so even if that was the case, I think his soul would have been gone too then
I just wonder how future “weird routes” will go since berdly is so definitely dead and his body is in the computer closet so what’s gonna happen in the future?
@@drawingfan9024 I highly doubt he's dead, because if he is then he's going to have a major impact to the rest of the chapters (it's more likely he never left the dark world because he is frozen in there)
@@lawgx9819 thats exactly whats gonna happen because there more than one or two endings here there more than 4 there much more and you are correct he is not dead he is in Fallen Down state is what happen to some monsters before they die
SPOILERS No matter where we/Kris are or if Kris is able to function, our voice will forever be in her head; giving commands. How else did she hear us whispering her name for help when she was well away from the fountain
Pichu44, she can still refuse the commands, assuming Queen´s right about her levels of determination, but if it was all talk, then only Susie and maybe Ralsei can reject them.
@@sebas8225 the only problem is how in snowgrave, Queen decides not to use her, because "She's already awakened too much" which might mean she's either too determined, or completely lost.
There’s one thing Toby did really well with the Genocide route and that is that you saw the best of everyone that stood up to you. I’m glad he’s continuing that with Deltarune.
@@NiennaFan1 Lucas is talking about the sfx that plays when you cast the Snowgrave spell, which the route is named after. It's easy to tell the difference if you listen to them both.
Btw, if you look at Berdly while Noelle does the spell, you can see both him and his halberd are staring, curious or shocked at what is happening to her. Btw, i wonder what happens if lets say, someone through editing some files and stuff, forced Noelle in the fight with Spambot Neo, then used Snowgrave on him.
@@Random-oy7vk Who knows, maybe an hidden easter egg? And if not, at least it would be entertaining to watch him fade in the wind as an bizarre bloody stream ♪～(´ε｀ ).
@@arlo9754 Cool, and if you made an video of it, you would likely be the first to do it for this specific thing. So when your video gets recommended to people interested in Deltarune Chapter 2 mysteries, you might get some extra subscribers, maybe you get to be a little bigger big shot? Good luck.
@@deadphones5041 that's like saying "but, what if my friend isn't actually my friend" it's highly unlikely, but it could be true. but that's the same for almost everything.
@@jerryjerry5321 You're not getting it dude. It's implying it's not Kris at all that she's hearing, it's us. Remember from chapter 1, it's shown that Kris isn't in control of himself and he still isn't in control here. It's us that are in control, it's us that have been telling Noelle to kill those enemies, *and it's US that Noelle is truly afraid of.*
Well "downed" doesn't necessarily mean dead, as interesting as it is that the voice is seperate from Kris, characters could still be conscious enough either way to at least talk?
It's at the very least implied that when we choose dialogue options for Kris it seems like our soul is really the one talking. For example, when we talk to Noelle at the hospital and we choose the dialogue option she specifically mentions how the voice sounded so terrifying that time.
@@MysticSlime another bit of evidence is that at the end of the spamton NEO fight, it says "Kris cried out for help" when calling for ralsei or susie, to no effect, but "You whispered Noelle's name" for noelle, which causes her to respond.
To be fair, if Noelle dies in this battle in the normal route she still sometimes has to pick up you pretending to drop your iq points, sooo yeah! ...But Donovan Smith has a good point still so
This is scary the fact noelle can hear player decision. Also remember when kris susie and ralsie dance? They ignore the player choice and make their own. So that mean something. They can make their own rules
@@connorschultz380 Until she rejects your commands, her determination levels should be lower than Ralsei´s, Susie clearly stands out though, since she can resist multiple choices you make and resist direct dequip commands.
@@sebas8225 again I feel like the "player" has no supernatural control over anyone besides perhaps kris, I think Noel just had issues, issues that were made apparent throughout the chapter
@@connorschultz380 Noelle isn't the only one we controlled. We also got to control Susie in Chapter 1. She even thinks she heard Kris tell her something during that sequence. After 2 chapters, there is a clear trend: the player has the ability to control any character. On the contrary, every character also has its own free will: Kris can rip their own soul, Susie makes her own choices (she often ignores our responses, and there's this time in Queen's mansion where Susie destroys every pottery by herself), Jevil and Spamton both implied that characters were puppets while they tried to free themselves from their own "strings". Noelle is also able to act of her own free will: there's a puzzle where you can zip her, if you do she will _zip you back_ and laugh. But as you said, she has confidence issues so she usually just obeys. Then there's all those references to voices. It is pretty clear there's something meta about this game, and not just through the main character. Our commands are litterally heard by the characters. Deltarune makes it a point that the player has the ability to control other characters than Kris (which is also why this game makes us fight with a _party)._ Besides, freedom is a clear theme in those two chapters. As if the story was about those characters trying to break free from our control, while we try to get more control over them. A battle of freedom.
I do believe Ralsei knows this is what can happen if you’re allowed to make choices, and is what he’s trying to prevent. This moment only happens at a time when you’re separated from him, so he doesn’t know it’s why Noelle is acting weird. He pushes the route of acting nice super hard. He insists Kris make the decisions and only acquiesces to acting in fights when Susie demands it. He seems aware of things like saving and the TP bar. He insists you not think about the Spamton fight, which is full of dialogue about freedom.
@@NiennaFan1 maybe not so explicitly, but something along those lines. Also possible that he was talking to Kris about a plan the player cannot know about that relates to what Kris does at the end of both chapters.
i wouldve been kinda worried if he did it. Although i didnt see much hate on Berdly, I actually saw everyone loving him (once u get deeper into the character u cant hate him that much). But the fact that he couldve asked Noelle if something was wrong with her right after she sais "should i freeze them?" puts me to think that Berdly couldve though "(oh shit, im gonna die) Hey Noelle, are u okay?". But thats probably not what happened, i hope. I hope he was actually worried abt her
@@thehumanstunlock7588 Some don't believe that was confirmation. I certainly do, but I also see their point, at least a little bit. I have found several people over Reddit and TH-cam who, from what I can tell, believe this fountain making may have been a one time thing. That's certainly understandable, considering that we didn't see the last one being made, though there are obvious counters to that argument. I've seen one say that Kris could have learned then and there during the queen's monologue that he could create fountains as well. I doubt he'd ever want to bring the Roaring, but no-soul Kris might. That's also an understandable argument, but there is more than enough evidence to the contrary. It also makes sense, because Kris was unaccounted for the night before, for quite a while, and the first one was in their old play room with their brother, a place only they would really ever go to make a dark fountain. Sorry, not entirely related to what you said, just saying that not everyone believes it was a confirmation
@@kirbyfreakyt4695 here's a fun fact, check the tv in chapter 1. It's explicitly stated it's unplugged. in chapter 2, it's plugged in but not been touched. Susie even has to find the remote. let that just sink in.
@@kirbyfreakyt4695 it relates since chapter 1 and chapter 2 happen one day after the other. If kris went to bed at chapter 1. And the tv was unplugged. And chapter 2 morning it was plugged in. That means during chapter 1's ending, somewhere in the night, and I say it Kris. Plugged the tv back in. This relates to chapter 2's ending with the tv, which I think is giving commands to kris, the knight.
I've been thinking about this a lot how this point of no return is also i think a point where we hear the player and Kris. If the player is saying proceed. I like thinking that Kris is saying they are protecting her FROM US. TO us and not Berdley.
This has to have some narrative significance as to why Susie is acting like a free thinker all the time right? "Why does Kris always decide? Why can only Kris act?" Susie resists our influence and might be more important than we realize
Susie also cares for Kris a lot and Kris heals the most from Susie Tea, I have a feeling if there is ever a scene where we force Kris to fight Susie/ Susie finds out we’re controlling Kris and tries to stop us by fighting and it isn’t going to be pretty.
God this really shows how much of a monster you are because Berdly literally will not attack Noelle and just wants her to be safe while you are just having her kill everything in your path including Berdly
As people should feel bad. The game drives home the idea these aren't like typical games where you can kill without consequences, and deltarune takes it a step further by you choosing the necessary actions to be locked into snowgrave route, even when given so many options to back out from it before/during this battle.
@Fang Lazken AKA Ranshi Hey, please, don't be so toxic about that. I'm pretty sure nobody * forced * Toby Fox, it's probably just that quite a lot of people were trying to do a no-mercy run of deltarune ch1 after a pacifist one like they were expecting something new. But I can't give a word for that, it's just based on my own experience.
@@zomboids2100 I think it was a bit overexaggerated in Undertale. Like, Monsters trying to kill your ass in Pacifist and Neutral is completely fine, but in Geno, you're apparently an asshole for doing so. Heck, you're already facing a consequence if you just kill one single enemy! Deltarune atleast gives you the option to let them taste their own medicine by fighting and not facing a big consequence by doing so. Snowgrave is something you just can't do by accident, but normal fighting is. So like you said, it atleast gives you a good reason to let you feel like an ass.
@@Adeyum64 "you're apparently an asshole for doing so." Well yes, you had the option to do otherwise. If that were self-defense, I would agree with you. But by definition, self-defense applies when you have no other choice. What we do in Undertale Genocide route isn't self-defense, that's sheer mass murder. That was awesome x).
This is like an animation I saw where Kris wasn't manipulating Noelle, it was the player and Kris was like a bit freaked out when Noelle casted snowgrave
This is creepier imo when we consider the fact that Noelle thinks that Kris is just pulling a prank gone too far, only now of all times does she realize part of what's at play. By then it is too late.
So, at the end, Berdly is asleep on the computer lab table. My theory is that here, he -was banished to the shadow realm- had his soul frozen in the dark realm.
fun fact: the music beats of the song in the game files if you sped up they are the same as the original berdly fight theme and the name of this snowgrave trial theme is called "berdly heart beats true" (if i remember) so that means that those are berdly heart beats , and then if the music stops that means that berdly heart stopped too...
Do you know if there is any special dialogue if Noelle gets downed while Kris is still alive? At 2:04 this seemed like it could have happened if you got hit once more.
The "theme" in this battle literally sounded like heartbeats to me. And after beating Snowgrave I just couldn't sleep properly. I literally felt like I killed someone, and that thought brought me freaking fear. And while it indeed is true, with Berdly being presumably dead, this felt a lot more real. I also literally had to take like a 30 minute break when pressuring Noelle to freeze the addison. Poor girl... I guess I get too attached to characters. Can't imagine how horrible I'd feel in UT genocide. And this is just the 2nd chapter. Toby is a Genius.
@@thiccuigi7880 Yeah I saw that afterwards. Kinda cool! And creepy. Also it has quite a strange name honestly, other weird one I'd say is "d" (which is right played right before Berdly on snowgrave)
I kinda think "their voice" is the voice of someone telling our commands to Noelle, rather than just being our voice. Our eternal partner, the demon that comes when people call its name. We'll be together forever.
Ah, within all those memes, finally a dose of nostalgia like in Undertale when the game made you depressed because you wanted to try what happens if you alt+f4 everyone in the fucking world.
I have a theroy that the player and gaster are same, they both manipulate characters use them as puppets , kris and spamton for an example. both of kris and spamton controlled by us and gaster, both of them tries to free themselves from us but that will result in them dying
I feel like it would be kind of cheap for it to turn out that we, as the player, are Gaster, among other reasons. I'm pretty sure he's a separate entity with similar goals. In fact, it can't be a total coincidence that you appear in Kris's life and begin to control him (apparently) directly after he creates the first Dark World, likely the day before Chapter 1. It seems to me as if Gaster has placed you as the puppet-master in charge of Kris to clean up his messes, but since Kris keeps creating Dark Worlds you're both stuck in a loop where the only thing Kris can do is create another Dark World at night and you have to spend your whole day getting rid of it. But some of that is probably wrong haha, back to the point I sincerely doubt that Gaster is you, especially taking into consideration the whole thing about creating your own form and then he tells you that you can't choose who you are and sends you to control Kris's body and all that Sure seems like Gaster is the one making choices around here, you're just a second-rate puppet-master
@@miriamk5571 what i meant player and gaster are the same is they both share the same power , they can manipulate time, characters, sure you and gaster are not the same character , most of what i said is probably wrong but who knows :p
I noticed something, in the first chapter Susie says that your decisions doesn't matter but she said that to Kris not the player, *but* Noelle's choices DO matter and we can use her for a while, in the Snowgrave route she is almost fully controlled by the player corrupting her. If we get full control of Noelle, it means that we are free to choose our own path which also means we can choose to do a true genocide route, but because we play as Kris our choices don't matter though we can still change the choices of other characters. all of this might lead to something similar to a Pacifist after a Genocide run but instead we are Chara in this situation. But hey! We still gonna have 5 more chapters to go
we got a number one victory royale yeah snowgrave we bout to get down get down! got 10 kills on the board right now just wiped out berdly town my friend just got *downed*, i revived him now we're heading eastbound now we're in the cyber city streets look at the [Frozen Chicken] and the [Hyperlink Blocked].
@@MysticSlime yeah kris could've just heard about it and went like, wow lemme try but it's also more likely to be kris as when queen explains that the knight "coursed its will into the blade" it shows a knife, which is what kris uses to make a dark fountain afterwards
@@moodle6500 thing is though for the longest time gaster was theorised to be the knight, and I don't believe and evidence has disproved that theory. as of now it's perfectly fitting for either to be the knight.
![Deltarune Animation | SNOWGRAVE [by Jakei & NyxTheShield]](/img/n.gif)
Say what you want about birdly, he quickly realized that there was something wrong with his friend and put his life on to try and save her. Yes, he was acting the fool in the normal run, but you can see he genuinely is serious in this run and dropped the whole "I'm better than you" act and just focused on trying to save Noel from you. That's a good friend right there
Finally, I've been waiting on some berdly love 😭
❤:WE WILL TAKE EVERYTHING
*was a good friend
I thought my personality is mostly matching with sans but after playing chapter 2, i see we are exact the same person as berdly...
Interesting little detail, he also drops his smug grin he usually wears when fighting him here.
i don’t think Noelle’s reaction is talked about enough. Even though Berdly definitely gets on her nerves, they’re still shown to be good friends. The moment when she realizes that she was about to freeze berdly without a second thought must’ve terrified her.
And the inability to cope with what she just did so just. Walking back to the mansion (Which she calls home, implying she sees it as safer than being with you)
I'm surprised given how much she actually barely stands him and they stay 'friends' only by him constantly putting her down because he's terrified of going back to the worthless nothing he was BEFORE he leeched onto her.
❤:VIOLENCE REQUIRED
@@XX-sp3tt Richer part is, Queen leeched onto both. Berdly seems to have some attention issues
"I'll diverge ur neurons ye smarmy prat! *Blüd!* "
Noelle: YOU WANNA ME TO GO APESHIT?? YOU WANNA SEE ME CAST SOME WEIRD ASS SPELL JUST FOR YOUR AMUSEMENT??
kris: *freaking dead*
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She wasn't talking to Kris. She was talking to the player.
@@pwrightrocks Yep, weird she didn’t act surprised though.
❤: yes
Noelle is talking to the player, not Kris, this also happens during Snowgrabe Spamton NEO fight, "You whispered Noelle's name." also referencing that YOU caused Snowgrave to happen, YOU wanted this, therefore this references that in this run, the players is the asshole here.
I can still hear their voice is really terrifying, we use her as a puppet and also (not about the video) y'know spamton always talked about being puppet during his fight and us the player is one who uses them(kris susie ralsei noelle) as a puppet during fights we decide what to do
I think it's just the Knight
we got them by the silly string
@@ItsB1998 the knight is the one that open dark foutain, and in the end of chap2 we can see kris open a foutaine.beetween dark and light world , so maybe the knigh is kris
@@anostar620 Here, Ima fix the spelling because why not:
"The knight is the one who opened the first fountain, In the end of Chapter 2, We see kris opening one themself. Possibly meaning they are the knight."
@@Horizon-main thank you I'm not used to speaking English
God, using snowgrave is even creepier when kris is down, as she's just hearing these voices in her head. Berdly must be so freaked out lmao
She´s basically acting like a possessed puppet at that point
Berdly? My guy that dude is dead does it matter 💀
@@db5094 shut up and go commit binge watch deltarune vhs
@@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa what
@@db5094 deltarune vhs is horror deltarune series by nyctomatter
Fact: even if kris was down noelle says that she still heared voices this was because kris wasnt manipulating noelle WE (the player) are doing it another hint that this is true is in the spamton neo fight in the genocide/snowgrave rute, there kris calls for help and the box says "KRIS called for help" but when we call noelle the text box says "YOU whispered noelle's name" and it would be ilogical that ralsei and susie didnt hear kris when he just screamed but magically if you whispered to noelle she would come to help you
its not us .... but I dont think anyone would ever begin to know why this is true
@@Kurotheskeleton_YT well is just a theory A GAME THEORY
no shit sherlock
@@Kurotheskeleton_YT well explain you're theory then, as Currently it's my headcanon but maybe yours is better.
@@Kurotheskeleton_YT As comment said already:YOU and YOU actually is a Soul inside Kris's body,YOU was whispered Noelle's name and she came because you did tell her to
i love berdly in snowgrave, he really worries about noelle and even becomes a failed hero in this route. proud of the lil birb
A bunch of characters show their best selves on genocide routes! before we kill them!
So, for anyone that didn't see the other video
During Spamton's NEO fight, when you call Noel. It says "You whispered" instead of "Kris called"
It says YOU, NOT KRIS!
I guess kris being a puppet to the player is canon.
But what's their deal for opening up a dark fountain and being the knight ?
@@wolfenden9805 clearly they wanted revenge because toriel locked the oven so they couldn't steal the pie
@@wolfenden9805 Kris just wants more people to be involved in his world, he wants to show people how good his world is, that's why he opened a portal in the library and slashed the tyres outside, so undyne would come over and enter the dark world he had now forced Toriel in.
@@kibtti I mean, yeah. Fantasy > reality
@@kibtti or maybe he's evil.
Or maybe that isn't kris and actually both the player and kris are competing with a 3rd party for control (evidence being the narration vastly changes style when you enter the bathroom at the end of chapter 2)
i love how dark this game is getting
i hope it gets darker
yet darker
the darkness keeps growing
shadows cutting deeper
photon readings negative
this next experiment seems very very interesting...
what do you two think ?
@@cezarcatalin1406 now i wonder, what if that is reference to the darkworld?
gaster is proud of you.
@@neon7080
Well, I can already bet that Gaster used determination to create a well of darkness, I am even convinced that Gaster fell into a dark world that was of his own creation.
Maybe Gaster is a darkner that turned into a statue and shattered across multiple dark worlds or something. He didn’t even need to turn completely into a statue, Rouxls didn’t convert into a statue completely. Perhaps that’s how a gaster follower was holding a piece of him and another gaster follower said that Gaster was listening.
One peculiar thing to note is that the blue pillars with red lights on top standing in the darkness spanning the base of the core in undertale are called in game “darkness totems”.
@@cezarcatalin1406 *(edited)*
To be honest deltarune is getting more creepier the more easter eggs or secrets we find
by chapter 7 it will just be a straight-up horror game
@@levelmakertoiletpaperediti1778 You are probably right
True deltrarune chapter 2 has two sides:
1:
P O T T A S S I U M
2:
Proceed.
@@levelmakertoiletpaperediti1778 it probably depends on how u play it. u can put kris through hell or not, and by that point, there will only be the player to blame for how horrifying of a tragedy they conduct.
I mean, this time, even in canon, all chapter endings make Kris' odd dark side into this really... ominous thing where Genocide/Snowgrave on some level is actually semi-canon regardless of what you do. ._.
For all the fluff, even more than Undertale, it basically already is a horror game, LOL. :p
But... okay, I guess what you're saying is more like... Silent Hill levels of horror game, maybe even on the "Normal" route, LOL. XD
But seriously, those endings are kind of messed up to begin with. :p
it feels like Noelle is talking directly to the player when Kris is down and when we keep commanding her to use Snowgrave
Yeah. That's cruel
I know that this is true for most dialogue sprites in this game, but I can't help but notice how Noelle makes direct eye contact with the player when she loses her temper at 2:54
@@MandrakeHorse makes sense to me
@@MandrakeHorse I can see her angry right now
It is. YOU are the one who’s forcing noelle to “get stronger” and kill everyone.
Deltarune feels a lot more like it’s our fault while undertale was like:
*gunshots*
Why would Chara do such a thing?
Chara? no its the players fault
@@mizukiakiyama2567 that's the joke BUDDY
@@mizukiakiyama2567 What if the player's real name is Chara? Huh?
@@femmemachete lmao. in honor of not confusing the player and character chara tho, the player shall be adressed as the player
chara and kris are incredibly similar. might even be alternate versions of each other. the message wasnt properly read by many in undertale, sadly, but deltarune seems to intend to honor the poor scapegoat of undertale's dreemurr family by being more brutally transparent in the consequences of the player's actions, which is why im so fucking excited to buy the game.
sincerely, someone who wants the best for these 2 humans
The reason noelle’s hp stops at 55 in this is because 55 in roman numerals is LV
AAAAAA
that's more from the effect of the thorn ring
@@seeforkat yes, the thorn ring stops at 55
@@seeforkat the ring seems to intentionally do so is what theyre sayin
This gave me the chills (no pun intended)
It means that us the player is the one talking
Oi :)
@@horrorsans1501 oii
What?! So, You come here too. Hello.
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Isnt Saying No Pun Intended Makes it an Obvious Pun?
if Birdly is still “sleeping” in the computer lab, his spirit or watever is still in that dark world, still frozen, waiting to be melted by someone or time. The other thing is when he (prob) wakes up hes gonna literally be ice on the table.
the problem is that when sealing the dark fountain, the dark world is actually gone, permanently, so even if that was the case, I think his soul would have been gone too then
Pretty sure berdly has 'fallen down' and is just taking time to fully turn to dust
Berdly is dead
@@jaymerge3339 or his soul transformed into something that's still in the computer lab, like a frozen program. Hidden in plain sight.
I think he died, after seeing him sleeping in the overworld and heading to the hospital, the blue part in the sliding bead toy in doesn't appear
I've been looking for this quite enough, and gave up on this in the end. I decided to relax and... thank you, youtube recomendations!
Glad I could help!
i like how this game is basically saying you're a piece of shit lol (because you're telling noelle to presumably kill berdly)
I just wonder how future “weird routes” will go since berdly is so definitely dead and his body is in the computer closet so what’s gonna happen in the future?
I bet next chapter is going to be making Toriel somehow murder everyone
@@drawingfan9024 I highly doubt he's dead, because if he is then he's going to have a major impact to the rest of the chapters (it's more likely he never left the dark world because he is frozen in there)
@@lawgx9819 ok but that dark world was destroyed right that’s why we wake up we destroyed the fountain so what would’ve happen to berdly
@@lawgx9819 thats exactly whats gonna happen because there more than one or two endings here there more than 4 there much more and you are correct he is not dead he is in Fallen Down state is what happen to some monsters before they die
This is a really neat discovery
SPOILERS
No matter where we/Kris are or if Kris is able to function, our voice will forever be in her head; giving commands. How else did she hear us whispering her name for help when she was well away from the fountain
AND she wasn't part of the party at the time!
Pichu44, she can still refuse the commands, assuming Queen´s right about her levels of determination, but if it was all talk, then only Susie and maybe Ralsei can reject them.
@@sebas8225 the only problem is how in snowgrave, Queen decides not to use her, because "She's already awakened too much" which might mean she's either too determined, or completely lost.
There’s one thing Toby did really well with the Genocide route and that is that you saw the best of everyone that stood up to you. I’m glad he’s continuing that with Deltarune.
i just realized that the snowgrave sound effect plays on the end of spamton neo fight
and its description says "fatal"
Check again. It's the Iceshock sfx, not Snowgrave.
@@timeforamazingchest5271 What is the "Snowgrave sound effect"? I thought there was just a sound effect when you abort the route?
@@NiennaFan1 Lucas is talking about the sfx that plays when you cast the Snowgrave spell, which the route is named after. It's easy to tell the difference if you listen to them both.
@@timeforamazingchest5271 Oh sorry, I didn't know because I've never done it ( :))))) )
Btw, if you look at Berdly while Noelle does the spell, you can see both him and his halberd are staring, curious or shocked at what is happening to her.
Btw, i wonder what happens if lets say, someone through editing some files and stuff, forced Noelle in the fight with Spambot Neo, then used Snowgrave on him.
The game crash, maybe-
@@Random-oy7vk Who knows, maybe an hidden easter egg? And if not, at least it would be entertaining to watch him fade in the wind as an bizarre bloody stream ♪～(´ε｀ ).
great idea, imma try it rn
@@arlo9754 Cool, and if you made an video of it, you would likely be the first to do it for this specific thing.
So when your video gets recommended to people interested in Deltarune Chapter 2 mysteries, you might get some extra subscribers, maybe you get to be a little bigger big shot?
Good luck.
Doesn’t birdly have a halberd not a sword? (One of his pacifist 2nd fight lines is something along the lines of “holy halbird give me strength”
Noelle: I can still hear their voice...
Kris: Gay Gay Homosexual Gay
Kris: Noelle, kill that gamer, he is against our rules.
Kris is anti-gamer
Proving once again that gamers are the most oppressed minority. /j
If I could make someone hear my voice all the time I’d make it constant deez nuts jokes 😂🤝😂
“I can still here “Their” voice.”
I don’t think she’s talking about Kris.
Noelle refers to Kris with "they" and "them" and "their" is just another variation of that. So no, Noelles talking about Kris.
@@Zekapix But, what if it’s not Kris that was talking to her?
@@deadphones5041 that's like saying "but, what if my friend isn't actually my friend"
it's highly unlikely, but it could be true. but that's the same for almost everything.
@@jerryjerry5321 You're not getting it dude. It's implying it's not Kris at all that she's hearing, it's us. Remember from chapter 1, it's shown that Kris isn't in control of himself and he still isn't in control here. It's us that are in control, it's us that have been telling Noelle to kill those enemies, *and it's US that Noelle is truly afraid of.*
@@JohnnyJohnJohnsonKris is only ever referred to with they/them pronouns.
Well "downed" doesn't necessarily mean dead, as interesting as it is that the voice is seperate from Kris, characters could still be conscious enough either way to at least talk?
Possibly but its another piece of evidence that Kris is not in control
It's at the very least implied that when we choose dialogue options for Kris it seems like our soul is really the one talking. For example, when we talk to Noelle at the hospital and we choose the dialogue option she specifically mentions how the voice sounded so terrifying that time.
@@MysticSlime and she also said that she was listening to a voice unlike kris's
@@MysticSlime another bit of evidence is that at the end of the spamton NEO fight, it says "Kris cried out for help" when calling for ralsei or susie, to no effect, but "You whispered Noelle's name" for noelle, which causes her to respond.
To be fair, if Noelle dies in this battle in the normal route she still sometimes has to pick up you pretending to drop your iq points, sooo yeah!
...But Donovan Smith has a good point still so
Noelle: i dont feel so good...
I think
I am going to go home.
Kris: **fucking ded**
This is scary the fact noelle can hear player decision. Also remember when kris susie and ralsie dance? They ignore the player choice and make their own. So that mean something. They can make their own rules
So can Noel- she's just super passive and can't say no to anyone, it's not that the player has mind control, Noel just has issues
@@connorschultz380 Until she rejects your commands, her determination levels should be lower than Ralsei´s, Susie clearly stands out though, since she can resist multiple choices you make and resist direct dequip commands.
@@sebas8225 again I feel like the "player" has no supernatural control over anyone besides perhaps kris, I think Noel just had issues, issues that were made apparent throughout the chapter
@@connorschultz380 Noelle isn't the only one we controlled. We also got to control Susie in Chapter 1. She even thinks she heard Kris tell her something during that sequence.
After 2 chapters, there is a clear trend: the player has the ability to control any character. On the contrary, every character also has its own free will: Kris can rip their own soul, Susie makes her own choices (she often ignores our responses, and there's this time in Queen's mansion where Susie destroys every pottery by herself), Jevil and Spamton both implied that characters were puppets while they tried to free themselves from their own "strings".
Noelle is also able to act of her own free will: there's a puzzle where you can zip her, if you do she will _zip you back_ and laugh. But as you said, she has confidence issues so she usually just obeys.
Then there's all those references to voices. It is pretty clear there's something meta about this game, and not just through the main character. Our commands are litterally heard by the characters. Deltarune makes it a point that the player has the ability to control other characters than Kris (which is also why this game makes us fight with a _party)._ Besides, freedom is a clear theme in those two chapters. As if the story was about those characters trying to break free from our control, while we try to get more control over them. A battle of freedom.
@@Dante02d12 we don't control susuie in that scense she will always do the same thing. It's just a joke that the menu is up
I do believe Ralsei knows this is what can happen if you’re allowed to make choices, and is what he’s trying to prevent. This moment only happens at a time when you’re separated from him, so he doesn’t know it’s why Noelle is acting weird. He pushes the route of acting nice super hard. He insists Kris make the decisions and only acquiesces to acting in fights when Susie demands it. He seems aware of things like saving and the TP bar. He insists you not think about the Spamton fight, which is full of dialogue about freedom.
the like cotton goat boy is evil. he's gonna be a twist villain, I swear
@@BroKenYaKnow I’m expecting it to just be he’s hiding things he knows, but not necessarily evil intent.
So in jail Ralsei told Kris "don't make choices because the player's an asshole, look what happened when Undertale came out"?
@@NiennaFan1 maybe not so explicitly, but something along those lines. Also possible that he was talking to Kris about a plan the player cannot know about that relates to what Kris does at the end of both chapters.
“I can still hear their voice” always gets me, the player is truly a villain in this route.
I"m not convinced we aren't a villain in any route!
every one hates berdly but empathizes with him when he realises that noelle is being manipulated
i wouldve been kinda worried if he did it. Although i didnt see much hate on Berdly, I actually saw everyone loving him (once u get deeper into the character u cant hate him that much). But the fact that he couldve asked Noelle if something was wrong with her right after she sais "should i freeze them?" puts me to think that Berdly couldve though "(oh shit, im gonna die) Hey Noelle, are u okay?". But thats probably not what happened, i hope. I hope he was actually worried abt her
I don't actually hate Berdly.
Noelle's hp is with the thorn ring 55 in roman numerals it is LV LV STANDS FOR LOVE
WHICH IS AN ACRONYM
LEVEL
OF
VIOLENCE
dude took one good look at them and just speedran an entire character arc
I guess this confirms that the player is the real mastermind. Kris is fighting against us and, back at the time, so did Chara
Chara said "this is fun-- let's keep going forever and ever!" Fight against us it did not lol
If you do more genocide routes in a row, then Chara's like "what the fuck go do pacifist"
@@QuinnTheDjinn that's only so you can see you broke pacifist
@@connorschultz380 no it's because Chara doesn't want you to do the genocide route anymore, not because of the pacifist Easter egg
@@QuinnTheDjinn ...ya it's because of the pacifist events
Edit: they just want ya to know how ÷%/#ed you made everyone
I read it as:
Kris getting owned during the Snowgrave Berdly Fight | Deltarune Chapter 2
XD
Eh, its the same
Kris is not the one doing this, its us, the soul.
how can toby fox think of absolutely everything?
Interesting fact: in end fight with spamton neo you call Noelle, that's why she comes
@@fect17 wait really?
@@Fredo22 yeah I mean usually: "Kris calls for help" But when you call Noelle: You whispered Noelle's name"
this goes into my theory that kris's soul is the player and kris is the knight
they obviously are the knight, chapter 2 ending outright confirmed that, and we've always been the soul, since UT i believe.
@@thehumanstunlock7588 Some don't believe that was confirmation. I certainly do, but I also see their point, at least a little bit.
I have found several people over Reddit and TH-cam who, from what I can tell, believe this fountain making may have been a one time thing. That's certainly understandable, considering that we didn't see the last one being made, though there are obvious counters to that argument.
I've seen one say that Kris could have learned then and there during the queen's monologue that he could create fountains as well. I doubt he'd ever want to bring the Roaring, but no-soul Kris might. That's also an understandable argument, but there is more than enough evidence to the contrary. It also makes sense, because Kris was unaccounted for the night before, for quite a while, and the first one was in their old play room with their brother, a place only they would really ever go to make a dark fountain.
Sorry, not entirely related to what you said, just saying that not everyone believes it was a confirmation
@@kirbyfreakyt4695 here's a fun fact, check the tv in chapter 1. It's explicitly stated it's unplugged. in chapter 2, it's plugged in but not been touched. Susie even has to find the remote.
let that just sink in.
@@isaiahkern9434 Confused to how the relates to what I said
But yeah, I noticed that myself when I replayed the game. Certainly interesting
@@kirbyfreakyt4695 it relates since chapter 1 and chapter 2 happen one day after the other. If kris went to bed at chapter 1. And the tv was unplugged. And chapter 2 morning it was plugged in. That means during chapter 1's ending, somewhere in the night, and I say it Kris. Plugged the tv back in. This relates to chapter 2's ending with the tv, which I think is giving commands to kris, the knight.
I've been thinking about this a lot how this point of no return is also i think a point where we hear the player and Kris.
If the player is saying proceed.
I like thinking that Kris is saying they are protecting her FROM US.
TO us and not Berdley.
Interesting how Sparing doesn't even fill the bar a bit
Im pretty sure the mercy bar has to be full though right?
Yeah but in a normal route trying to spare when the name isn't yellow it will fail but give 3% to the mercy bar
@@Snukkuri oh right
I wish I had that move because the secret boss was kicking my ass lol
You might
Depending on which variant it is
This has to have some narrative significance as to why Susie is acting like a free thinker all the time right? "Why does Kris always decide? Why can only Kris act?"
Susie resists our influence and might be more important than we realize
I mean,probably Susie will be the final boss/next player.
She's almost the protagonist,and in this world we can't decide so...
Susie and the prince gain the power to Act as well.
Susie also cares for Kris a lot and Kris heals the most from Susie Tea, I have a feeling if there is ever a scene where we force Kris to fight Susie/ Susie finds out we’re controlling Kris and tries to stop us by fighting and it isn’t going to be pretty.
I think "their voice" is us the player who control Kris and every other characters throughout the adventure, which makes us the evil/good guys
What must’ve been so off about our voice that Noelle thought it was terrifying?
@@nerdsmyspiritanimal2676 possibly the fact that we were pushing her on to commit genocide
the fact noelle says she doesnt know the snowgrave spell despite kris being down is so spine chilling
God this really shows how much of a monster you are because Berdly literally will not attack Noelle and just wants her to be safe while you are just having her kill everything in your path including Berdly
Damn Toby Fox really want people to feel bad for taking a genocide route!
not even a genocide route since you dont even kill
you force someone else to take a genocide route which is even worse
As people should feel bad. The game drives home the idea these aren't like typical games where you can kill without consequences, and deltarune takes it a step further by you choosing the necessary actions to be locked into snowgrave route, even when given so many options to back out from it before/during this battle.
@Fang Lazken AKA Ranshi Hey, please, don't be so toxic about that. I'm pretty sure nobody * forced * Toby Fox, it's probably just that quite a lot of people were trying to do a no-mercy run of deltarune ch1 after a pacifist one like they were expecting something new. But I can't give a word for that, it's just based on my own experience.
@@zomboids2100 I think it was a bit overexaggerated in Undertale. Like, Monsters trying to kill your ass in Pacifist and Neutral is completely fine, but in Geno, you're apparently an asshole for doing so. Heck, you're already facing a consequence if you just kill one single enemy!
Deltarune atleast gives you the option to let them taste their own medicine by fighting and not facing a big consequence by doing so. Snowgrave is something you just can't do by accident, but normal fighting is. So like you said, it atleast gives you a good reason to let you feel like an ass.
@@Adeyum64 "you're apparently an asshole for doing so." Well yes, you had the option to do otherwise. If that were self-defense, I would agree with you. But by definition, self-defense applies when you have no other choice. What we do in Undertale Genocide route isn't self-defense, that's sheer mass murder. That was awesome x).
Never noticed that Berdly's Axe had an eye until now lol
Berdly: Why you hurt my friend noelle??
Also Berdly: proceed to continue attacking noelle even though kris is down.
Did u see the video?
She just couldnt stop listening to the Player!
This is like an animation I saw where Kris wasn't manipulating Noelle, it was the player and Kris was like a bit freaked out when Noelle casted snowgrave
This frighteningly reveals the VOICE is the player.
"This room is big enough to fit a body inside"
0:45 man I like that face he makes when he brings out his axe xD
just remember that in the genocide routes there are always “enemies” that become the true hero, like undyne, and now berdly.
This is creepier imo when we consider the fact that Noelle thinks that Kris is just pulling a prank gone too far, only now of all times does she realize part of what's at play.
By then it is too late.
basically snowgrave:
Normal route: *Kris hugged Ralsei*
Snowgrave route: *You gently placed your hand on Ralsei.*
I accidentally found this out and it was pretty neat.
So, at the end, Berdly is asleep on the computer lab table. My theory is that here, he -was banished to the shadow realm- had his soul frozen in the dark realm.
The music during the fight against Berdly sounds like the game was just waiting for you to use Snowgrave on Berdly.
fun fact: the music beats of the song in the game files if you sped up they are the same as the original berdly fight theme and the name of this snowgrave trial theme is called "berdly heart beats true" (if i remember) so that means that those are berdly heart beats , and then if the music stops that means that berdly heart stopped too...
He isn't down, he is just fell asleep.
I love, how Noelle is so disgusted at what she´s been made to do, that she can only say "Getting Stronger" as a answer
"I can still hear their voice"... gives off the same vibes as "I can still feel your hands"...
Toby thought of everything
This fight really brings out berdly's true emotions
He knew kris was manipulating her and he wanted to help her
This is a lot creepier because at this point, once kris gets downed.. she isn't talking to kris anymore, she's talking directly at you.
Jesus Christ. Imagine beibg controlled and force to manipulate your life long friend into a genocidal maniac
Beardly started attacking her too when he realised bro
Yeah this happened me the first time and freaked out for a moment
That's really amazing, good job toby
imma be real with u chief
i thought this was the only way to do the battle
Do you know if there is any special dialogue if Noelle gets downed while Kris is still alive? At 2:04 this seemed like it could have happened if you got hit once more.
She cannot be downed in the fight. You just die before it happens.
you get a game over
i think this is what happened
Kris: *gets up* Ugh what happened? *sees berdly's frozen corpse* WH- BERDLY!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU!!!!
I just realized, "I can still hear their voice" is Noelle failing to escape the mentality imposed on her by Kris
Probably that she hears the player's voice issuing commands, because Kris hasn't been the one doing this.
it is the player
Berdly hits Noelle at 2:04, so it might be possible to lose this fight
And again Kris faces the player after this, as if to judge them.
The "theme" in this battle literally sounded like heartbeats to me. And after beating Snowgrave I just couldn't sleep properly. I literally felt like I killed someone, and that thought brought me freaking fear. And while it indeed is true, with Berdly being presumably dead, this felt a lot more real. I also literally had to take like a 30 minute break when pressuring Noelle to freeze the addison. Poor girl... I guess I get too attached to characters. Can't imagine how horrible I'd feel in UT genocide. And this is just the 2nd chapter.
Toby is a Genius.
the scary part is that in the files, the theme is called "berdly_heartbeat_true" or something along those lines
@@thiccuigi7880 Yeah I saw that afterwards. Kinda cool! And creepy. Also it has quite a strange name honestly, other weird one I'd say is "d" (which is right played right before Berdly on snowgrave)
Actually, Deltarune is better than UT in that aspect, since in UT, you dont have that eerie feeling a lot
I kinda think "their voice" is the voice of someone telling our commands to Noelle, rather than just being our voice.
Our eternal partner, the demon that comes when people call its name.
We'll be together forever.
Dont blame this on the spectral child that may dont even exist in deltarune
This route is quite chilling if I don't say myself
At the moment when she used Snowgrave, I felt cold...
So a dark version of "but it refused"
Ah, within all those memes, finally a dose of nostalgia like in Undertale when the game made you depressed because you wanted to try what happens if you alt+f4 everyone in the fucking world.
I have a theroy that the player and gaster are same, they both manipulate characters use them as puppets , kris and spamton for an example. both of kris and spamton controlled by us and gaster, both of them tries to free themselves from us but that will result in them dying
I feel like it would be kind of cheap for it to turn out that we, as the player, are Gaster, among other reasons. I'm pretty sure he's a separate entity with similar goals. In fact, it can't be a total coincidence that you appear in Kris's life and begin to control him (apparently) directly after he creates the first Dark World, likely the day before Chapter 1. It seems to me as if Gaster has placed you as the puppet-master in charge of Kris to clean up his messes, but since Kris keeps creating Dark Worlds you're both stuck in a loop where the only thing Kris can do is create another Dark World at night and you have to spend your whole day getting rid of it.
But some of that is probably wrong haha, back to the point
I sincerely doubt that Gaster is you, especially taking into consideration the whole thing about creating your own form and then he tells you that you can't choose who you are and sends you to control Kris's body and all that
Sure seems like Gaster is the one making choices around here, you're just a second-rate puppet-master
@@miriamk5571 what i meant player and gaster are the same is they both share the same power , they can manipulate time, characters, sure you and gaster are not the same character , most of what i said is probably wrong but who knows :p
@@miriamk5571 i would to be playomg as gaster Honestly
@@mylovelyname2365 Oh I see! Alrighty, I just needed that clear up haha
I noticed something, in the first chapter Susie says that your decisions doesn't matter but she said that to Kris not the player, *but* Noelle's choices DO matter and we can use her for a while, in the Snowgrave route she is almost fully controlled by the player corrupting her. If we get full control of Noelle, it means that we are free to choose our own path which also means we can choose to do a true genocide route, but because we play as Kris our choices don't matter though we can still change the choices of other characters. all of this might lead to something similar to a Pacifist after a Genocide run but instead we are Chara in this situation.
But hey! We still gonna have 5 more chapters to go
So Noelle conducts the Genocide Route, Ralsei conducts Pacifist Route and Kris+Susie = Neutral Route?
@@sebas8225 No, *us* the player does
Top 10 saddest anime deaths right here
So in case you were in any doubt of Kris being controlled by us, this confirms it. Noelle isn't hearing Kris tell her to kill. She's hearing US.
the real frozen chicken
bro on my first try i took it by accident i was shocked kris was down but she still did the snowgrave
I wonder why her icon turns into a flame emblem when she casts the _spell_
It's crazy thinking this game will have the same ending even with the weird route
But not the same process
(''I can... still hear their voice...'')
''Gay gay homosexual gay''
I really hope that Deltrune gives more charcter to gaster, he's a very interesting character.
we got a number one victory royale
yeah snowgrave we bout to get down get down!
got 10 kills on the board right now
just wiped out berdly town
my friend just got *downed*, i revived him now we're heading eastbound
now we're in the cyber city streets
look at the [Frozen Chicken] and the [Hyperlink Blocked].
Does it explain earlier in the route why Noelle takes damage over time? Could it be similar to San's Karma effect?
I think the ring does something to her health
Yea maybe it's the ring I mean I does have thorns and spamton said something like it's sting
The thorn ring you force her to wear is physically hurting her
Also in Roman numerals the damage suffered by the thorn ring leaves it at 55 (lv in Roman numerals)
@@thefurr979 lv = Love = Level of Violence then?
Theory , Kris is the knight?
It is. Confirmed, actually.
@@Nicknotmaps that’s what I thought
Technically not confirmed; while Kris does make a dark fountain, Queen says that anybody with enough determination can also make a fountain.
@@MysticSlime yeah kris could've just heard about it and went like, wow lemme try
but it's also more likely to be kris as when queen explains that the knight "coursed its will into the blade" it shows a knife, which is what kris uses to make a dark fountain afterwards
@@moodle6500 thing is though for the longest time gaster was theorised to be the knight, and I don't believe and evidence has disproved that theory. as of now it's perfectly fitting for either to be the knight.
YO....IM IN TEARS BERDLY NOOO..HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO GET THIS MOVE OH MY GOSH....
Why does noelle's hp drop in the course of the battle ???
Pd. 55 hp reference does not count
When Kris is down his HP can't go lower, so attacks go to Noelle
The ring she has.
@@skyguy713 No but it goes past 55 and the ring stops at 55
Just a theory that gave me chills: 55 un roman numbers is LV. LOVE. Make your own conclusions.
@@torosvq7879 Toby really did think of EVERYTHING, didn't he 😳
The fact that she says that still heared kris' voice. That's maybe not kris but the player?
“ ( I can… still… hear… their voice… ) “
“ gay gay homosexual gay “
i was about to comment that LOL
What if you cast snowgrave even though kris is down?
Nevermind this happened
0:21 what's the name of this music?
Can you also please do what if you pacify Berdly (both on ground and during the roller coaster) yeah, as in putting him to sleep.
Kris's spirit is whispering to her, yet her corpse is still sitting down.
its the player