The Pink Lloyd is in my garage. It was run as a sister car to our better-known Bavarian Ranchero. The original engine was indeed a Honda Gold Wing, a terrible, but available choice. We never finished, as the gold wing consumed head gaskets. And the replacement GSXr did the same with clutches. We were never disqualified, but nan was that car fun to drive!
@@TheNeilFox81 how extraordinary! I've just read the comments and it seems that the panther is in America, who'd have thought that a story like this could be, thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
DAF Fun Fact... If you hang around WW2 / Cold War army vehicle auto jumbles, you can actually pick up armoured drive belts for the DAF. They squeal like mad until warmed up, but will actually withstand hand grenade shrapnel. Which is a lot better than the rest of the car can do.
Yes, the Pink Lloyd was a hat car with Lloyd shell over a custom tube frame chassis. It was well built but wouldn't want to meet a crown vic in it. I figured that Pagel and/or Jay had banished it. They never really sorted all of it's issues nor did they seem in a particular hurry to do so. Car was out of Utah IIRC. Best ever LeMons car name though.
6:54 the Dutch "achteruitrijraces" were absolutely awesome in the 70s. Worth doing a quick TH-cam search if you're looking for something to brighten your day. There were also caravan races which were possibly even funnier. Just to clarify, these were not really serious races, they were a novelty race organised by a TV station... But they were an absolute highlight of my youth. Some people even modified the rear axle to ensure the differential could take the abuse and reached speeds of up to 115 kmh/70 mph! In reverse!
I just did as you suggested, and found a real gem that included a trio of tall nordic blondes dancing, reverse racing and head to head reverse slalom. Good stuff! Thanks for the info!
Back in the day, in NZ, I had a family member who had a Super Snipe. Scary large car for a young fella. The disappeared from the roads fairly quickly once they became all conquering champions of the demolition derby scene. I seem to recall that they were banned for that very reason. Or maybe they just plain ran out to stock.
Given that Rootes Group was a shambolic foreshadow to the later BMC attempt at a company, they probably ran out of spares. Then, there was likely a mixup between the Australian and Canadian extensions of the company that cost them too much, and they had to simplify their range of models, or a redesign period just coincided with Chrysler purchasing them, and everybody responsible for making the decision to update the car took a retirement package. It was Rootes, anything is possible. Neat names, and some interesting designs (Commer Knockers for the win), but not really competitive, on the whole, and less than the sum of their pre-Rootes parts.
Jet Industries made golf carts. Which apparently qualifies them to make EVs. (but does explain the 20 6v golf cart batteries they built it to use.) They didn't "take the gas bits out", it never had them. They got them from the factory as rolling shells... no engine, no gas tank, and only half a wiring harness. We used 12v marine batteries as they're "easier" to find. ('tho it does require emptying Sam's Clubs in several states.) [Note: it did have a 1gal gas tank... for a gasoline burning heater!] After that first 45mph-max race, we modernized it with a current EV conversion kit. (I swear we could have a series of Viniwiki videos about this stupid contraption. It's horrible in every way; even inventing a few new ones. But it wins awards everywhere it goes.)
Sometime in the late 2000's, I was flagging the Lemons race at Sears Point, and watched an early model Olds Toronado run all weekend without getting a scratch on him, or a single black flag. That was the only time I ever saw that car in a Lemons race.
As a kid growing up in Brooklyn NY in the '50's one day I was tasked with taking one of our pugs to the vet. I guess I was about 12, so that would make it around 1959. With the dog safely placed in the basket of my bike my trip took me by a nondescript warehouse style (no windows) 2 story brick building. As I rode by one of the doors was rolled up and, as I later found out, a DAF rolled out. Intrigued, I went back to the building and went in. I was shown the inventory of both DAF 45's nd 55's. and the pre-delivery area that prepped the cars before delivery to the dealers. Since that childhood experience I've been a fan of the little Dutch cars. The DAF company (automobile division) was later sold to Volvo although they continued to produce medium and heavy trucks and might still produce them under the DAF brand.
Minor correction: the '74 Bricklin had an AMC 360 (not 304) and you could get a 4 speed or the auto trans. The '75 and '76s had Ford 351 Windsors and an FMX only. I once owned VIN 760 (IIRC), a 4 speed car that had an AMC 390 swapped in. The doors and wedge looks drew eyeballs like nothing else that you can buy for 10 grand (at least at the time).
IIRC, the Lloyd was just the body shell of the original car, but on a custom tube frame chassis...which is no longer (or was never?) allowed in Lemons.
Far as I know, they dont care about hat cars aside from poor builds and you can do it IF you can build it safely. But Im just a bench racer and could be wrong.
Oh my word! I was taken to school regularly in a Super Snipe Estate owned by the parents of a class mate. Very, very rare in any country and very few left in any condition. A rough unrestored one in the UK is worth £5k easily..
The Bricklin is an obscure car. They only made a few thousand of those cars in my home province of New Brunswick. The bodies were made by former coal miners in rural Minto (people who hitherto may not have even seen fibreglass before) and the internal components and engine were put together and installed by former shipbuilders in Saint John, two hours away by road. Malcolm Bricklin soaked my small province's government for $23-million (about $123-million in today's money) and still declared personal bankruptcy. One of the surviving cars resides at the New Brunswick Museum, and it's... something to see in person
I had a buddy growing up who's brother had a Bricklin parked in the back yard. It was a sickly green color, and the unpowered doors were truly deadly. One of the friends who was helping him "restore" it (get it running long enough to sell) got his thigh bone crushed to shards as he was getting out when the prop they had holding the gullwing open slipped and slammed down onto his leg. We all learned to be super careful when messing around with those super heavy doors. It had a AMC360 and only made noises once in the decade or two I was around it...the fiberglass was just terrible and the entire car was basically a green lump of decay. Green paint outside, green algae inside
Now if you want obscure, I challenge anybody to find and bring to a race a Manic GT! They were a sports car made in Quebec from 1969 to 1971and were built on a Renault 8 chassis. Sporting a 1.3L engine, it is said that they could reach 200km/h. Only 160 were made.
Not-so-fun-fact: those races they did with the Daf... a very significant percentage of all of the produced cars were wrecked during those and shortly after, the company quit production of automobiles. While they were really common in the 60's and 70's, even in the Netherlands they are considered a rarity by now. As a Dutch car guy, I can count the amount I have seen in person on one hand.
There is a series for DAFs in Netherlands (I think?) where they race only backwards, I guess the gearbox allows for some long reverse gear ratios, there are videos here you can find Oh it was here haha xD
Lloyd were around for a short while after World War 2. They built VW-esque vehicles at 3/4-scale, and had to tap out when another company in Hansa-Lloyd, Borgward, bet too big on the Isabella being able to save them from bankruptcy.
How about a "Top (or Bottom?) Six $500 Car My Ass" video? You could also do some theme videos, such as "Top Six Peugeot" or "Top Six Renault" or "Top Six Borgward". Come to think of it have six Peugeot's even raced in LeMons? I know the owner of two.....
Laurence Hartnett, the man who in effect put Holden on the map tried to sell Lloyds in Australia. Humber Super Snip,, the Blue Riband Commer truck engine. 50 plus years ago we had one run at our track. Didnt handle at all. And that was the earlier version which were heavier. With bigger bumpers. It was buried in a swamp! The Renault R8 alongside were a thing,, third gear into a head wind as fourth had no power. But they were raced and rallied with success. DAF bad handling,, look at a vobble wagen and its six cyl big brother. Great Wall,, now GWM Motors as the Great Wall name is mud.
I have the motor, controller, one of two battery boxes and charger (the charger was integral to the car) out of a Jet Electrica 007, Dodge 024 I got at Pick Your Part in Sun Valley, CA. I remember buying it about 15 years ago in case gas went to $6.00 a gallon. Yikes gas is now $6 a gallon and..., I still think $2,000+ for Lead Acid batteries (that last 2 years) is too much! Hey, everything was only $105 out the door at PYP. Anyway, my assumption is that gas will track with battery prices and I have an assemblage of parts for "conversation only" like I'm having now. BTW, the 024 Electrica used the same transmission as the early Dodge Rampage and VW mini pick up. They would be ideal for battery placement.
Can any of y'all help me remember the name of an old weird SUV that I ran across a few years ago but I forgot the name of? I think it had a name along the lines of "Long" or something and had a Ford 5.0 V8, a raised rear roofline and was kinda similar to a Laforza but with even more questionable styling and I think 4 seats. I think it was mid 80s or so as well
I have several Lloyds, that one was actually a really decent car before being butchered. It was also a TS model with the A arm rear suspension, the 25hp motor and nicer trim level. Waste of a great car.
No interior whatsoever. no switches , no glass, body broke free from the pan completely on the trailer ride home, engine seized, the list goes on. Not what i'd call a really decent car.
The DAF was the first car with a CVT transmissions and it was so simpler not like today Great Wall cars and utes are absolute crap unfortunately the Chinese sell them in Australia we are awash with Chinese built vehicles there quality is questionable and the Humber Super Snipe what a great luxury car l have owned a couple of Rootes cars and l owned a Hillman Minx and two Hillman Gazelles when l was younger but now l know better have Toyota Hilux 1997
The Pink Lloyd is in my garage. It was run as a sister car to our better-known Bavarian Ranchero. The original engine was indeed a Honda Gold Wing, a terrible, but available choice. We never finished, as the gold wing consumed head gaskets. And the replacement GSXr did the same with clutches. We were never disqualified, but nan was that car fun to drive!
That's a UK reg plate on that Lloyd.
@@adamweston4152 however it's coming up as a 1961 panther motorbike that hasn't been taxed since 1981.
@@TheNeilFox81 I still have the front fender plates on my 1961 Panther. Registered in Nevada now. It is the worst/best bike I've ever owned.
@@TheNeilFox81 how extraordinary! I've just read the comments and it seems that the panther is in America, who'd have thought that a story like this could be, thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
DAF Fun Fact...
If you hang around WW2 / Cold War army vehicle auto jumbles, you can actually pick up armoured drive belts for the DAF.
They squeal like mad until warmed up, but will actually withstand hand grenade shrapnel.
Which is a lot better than the rest of the car can do.
I'm sure Spank had his own take on the Netherlands theme, but I'm surprised he didn't do something with "DAF Punk." 😁
Yes, the Pink Lloyd was a hat car with Lloyd shell over a custom tube frame chassis. It was well built but wouldn't want to meet a crown vic in it. I figured that Pagel and/or Jay had banished it. They never really sorted all of it's issues nor did they seem in a particular hurry to do so. Car was out of Utah IIRC. Best ever LeMons car name though.
Love it! This topic deserves several episodes!
HELL yes.
I really enjoyed this episode. Dang I wish we had a LeMons series up here in the Glorious People's Republic of Canuckistan.
6:54 the Dutch "achteruitrijraces" were absolutely awesome in the 70s. Worth doing a quick TH-cam search if you're looking for something to brighten your day.
There were also caravan races which were possibly even funnier. Just to clarify, these were not really serious races, they were a novelty race organised by a TV station... But they were an absolute highlight of my youth.
Some people even modified the rear axle to ensure the differential could take the abuse and reached speeds of up to 115 kmh/70 mph! In reverse!
I just did as you suggested, and found a real gem that included a trio of tall nordic blondes dancing, reverse racing and head to head reverse slalom. Good stuff! Thanks for the info!
Back in the day, in NZ, I had a family member who had a Super Snipe. Scary large car for a young fella. The disappeared from the roads fairly quickly once they became all conquering champions of the demolition derby scene. I seem to recall that they were banned for that very reason. Or maybe they just plain ran out to stock.
Given that Rootes Group was a shambolic foreshadow to the later BMC attempt at a company, they probably ran out of spares. Then, there was likely a mixup between the Australian and Canadian extensions of the company that cost them too much, and they had to simplify their range of models, or a redesign period just coincided with Chrysler purchasing them, and everybody responsible for making the decision to update the car took a retirement package. It was Rootes, anything is possible. Neat names, and some interesting designs (Commer Knockers for the win), but not really competitive, on the whole, and less than the sum of their pre-Rootes parts.
Humbers?? Demo Derby?? Barge Fairlane wagon is what you need. They were banned here in Oz.
This is the most refreshing racing series I could have ever imagined.
I recognize that motor in the lloyd, thats a goldwing motor. Love me a good gl swap.
Jet Industries made golf carts. Which apparently qualifies them to make EVs. (but does explain the 20 6v golf cart batteries they built it to use.) They didn't "take the gas bits out", it never had them. They got them from the factory as rolling shells... no engine, no gas tank, and only half a wiring harness. We used 12v marine batteries as they're "easier" to find. ('tho it does require emptying Sam's Clubs in several states.) [Note: it did have a 1gal gas tank... for a gasoline burning heater!] After that first 45mph-max race, we modernized it with a current EV conversion kit.
(I swear we could have a series of Viniwiki videos about this stupid contraption. It's horrible in every way; even inventing a few new ones. But it wins awards everywhere it goes.)
This is better than the Tesla!
Sometime in the late 2000's, I was flagging the Lemons race at Sears Point, and watched an early model Olds Toronado run all weekend without getting a scratch on him, or a single black flag. That was the only time I ever saw that car in a Lemons race.
As a kid growing up in Brooklyn NY in the '50's one day I was tasked with taking one of our pugs to the vet. I guess I was about 12, so that would make it around 1959. With the dog safely placed in the basket of my bike my trip took me by a nondescript warehouse style (no windows) 2 story brick building. As I rode by one of the doors was rolled up and, as I later found out, a DAF rolled out. Intrigued, I went back to the building and went in. I was shown the inventory of both DAF 45's nd 55's. and the pre-delivery area that prepped the cars before delivery to the dealers. Since that childhood experience I've been a fan of the little Dutch cars. The DAF company (automobile division) was later sold to Volvo although they continued to produce medium and heavy trucks and might still produce them under the DAF brand.
As always, it's pure gold comedy. The Jet Electrica team stands with all the battery and final solution with the generator on a trailer. Lmao.
Minor correction: the '74 Bricklin had an AMC 360 (not 304) and you could get a 4 speed or the auto trans. The '75 and '76s had Ford 351 Windsors and an FMX only.
I once owned VIN 760 (IIRC), a 4 speed car that had an AMC 390 swapped in. The doors and wedge looks drew eyeballs like nothing else that you can buy for 10 grand (at least at the time).
IIRC, the Lloyd was just the body shell of the original car, but on a custom tube frame chassis...which is no longer (or was never?) allowed in Lemons.
Lloyd I only know as plastic cars. A bit like a Trabant though with slightly better plastic compound.
Far as I know, they dont care about hat cars aside from poor builds and you can do it IF you can build it safely. But Im just a bench racer and could be wrong.
Where did they ever find a Lloyd? I haven't seen one of those since I was living in Germany....and they were rare even 50 yrs ago!!!
These are all very rare indeed. Just don't forget the 1 of 1 Chotus.
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Oh my word! I was taken to school regularly in a Super Snipe Estate owned by the parents of a class mate. Very, very rare in any country and very few left in any condition. A rough unrestored one in the UK is worth £5k easily..
So glad, and slightly disappointed our worst idea never made the list... It was amazing the fewish hours it worked almost all 8 races.
What about the Jensen-Healey "Lemon Slug" from 2014? I only heard about it because a certain superstar rock drummer was on the team, mostly incognito.
Great Video! I agree with Bryan, more Peugeots! We run the FFLAT 505 and would love to see more French on French action!
The Bricklin is an obscure car. They only made a few thousand of those cars in my home province of New Brunswick. The bodies were made by former coal miners in rural Minto (people who hitherto may not have even seen fibreglass before) and the internal components and engine were put together and installed by former shipbuilders in Saint John, two hours away by road. Malcolm Bricklin soaked my small province's government for $23-million (about $123-million in today's money) and still declared personal bankruptcy. One of the surviving cars resides at the New Brunswick Museum, and it's... something to see in person
Vice Grip Garage owns one.
I had a buddy growing up who's brother had a Bricklin parked in the back yard. It was a sickly green color, and the unpowered doors were truly deadly. One of the friends who was helping him "restore" it (get it running long enough to sell) got his thigh bone crushed to shards as he was getting out when the prop they had holding the gullwing open slipped and slammed down onto his leg. We all learned to be super careful when messing around with those super heavy doors. It had a AMC360 and only made noises once in the decade or two I was around it...the fiberglass was just terrible and the entire car was basically a green lump of decay. Green paint outside, green algae inside
Humber Super Snipes are Hemi, can make decent power for a six cyl of their era.
Now if you want obscure, I challenge anybody to find and bring to a race a Manic GT!
They were a sports car made in Quebec from 1969 to 1971and were built on a Renault 8 chassis. Sporting a 1.3L engine, it is said that they could reach 200km/h. Only 160 were made.
@3:14 Ah, a Chinese made in Bulgaria called Voleex C20R, the sucessor of the C10 which looks best IMHO with sports grill.
Not-so-fun-fact: those races they did with the Daf... a very significant percentage of all of the produced cars were wrecked during those and shortly after, the company quit production of automobiles.
While they were really common in the 60's and 70's, even in the Netherlands they are considered a rarity by now.
As a Dutch car guy, I can count the amount I have seen in person on one hand.
There is a series for DAFs in Netherlands (I think?) where they race only backwards, I guess the gearbox allows for some long reverse gear ratios, there are videos here you can find
Oh it was here haha xD
Not just a Humber Super Snipe, but a Humber Super Snipe ESTATE!......which somehow makes it sound even better and classier.
Love how the two photos of the hillmans were in australia, there’s probably more British cars from that era here then there are still in the uk
Loved this one!
Lloyd were around for a short while after World War 2. They built VW-esque vehicles at 3/4-scale, and had to tap out when another company in Hansa-Lloyd, Borgward, bet too big on the Isabella being able to save them from bankruptcy.
Try also: The car endorsed by muhammad ali " Puma GT "
Mis-read the the title as Obscene. Was not disappointed.
I still think the slowest, gas powered, car on track was the 1930's Mercedes with a MGB engine raced at CMP.
I like that super snipe
I know the lloyd, the daf and the briklin anyway
I like obscure cars.
8:54 I see a triumph stag!
Was this video before the Bitters?
How about a "Top (or Bottom?) Six $500 Car My Ass" video? You could also do some theme videos, such as "Top Six Peugeot" or "Top Six Renault" or "Top Six Borgward". Come to think of it have six Peugeot's even raced in LeMons? I know the owner of two.....
Hi rich my dad has a Lloyd collection we actually used those cars for regular transportation when I was a kid in the 70s
The Humber looks like an old Rambler wagon.
Laurence Hartnett, the man who in effect put Holden on the map tried to sell Lloyds in Australia.
Humber Super Snip,, the Blue Riband Commer truck engine. 50 plus years ago we had one run at our track. Didnt handle at all. And that was the earlier version which were heavier. With bigger bumpers. It was buried in a swamp!
The Renault R8 alongside were a thing,, third gear into a head wind as fourth had no power. But they were raced and rallied with success.
DAF bad handling,, look at a vobble wagen and its six cyl big brother.
Great Wall,, now GWM Motors as the Great Wall name is mud.
Wait is that snake church a real thing? xD
I saw an old X-Files episode recently about that
5:46 pizza planet Toyota
Has anyone ever raced a Trabant in Lemons?
My dream is to find a 1940s body that I can stick onto a Ranger or S10 frame and do a Lemons Rat Rod.
Great
Saab Sonett III not rare enough?
Hell no! Damn near mainstream, in my view. 😁
I have the motor, controller, one of two battery boxes and charger (the charger was integral to the car) out of a Jet Electrica 007, Dodge 024 I got at Pick Your Part in Sun Valley, CA. I remember buying it about 15 years ago in case gas went to $6.00 a gallon. Yikes gas is now $6 a gallon and..., I still think $2,000+ for Lead Acid batteries (that last 2 years) is too much! Hey, everything was only $105 out the door at PYP. Anyway, my assumption is that gas will track with battery prices and I have an assemblage of parts for "conversation only" like I'm having now. BTW, the 024 Electrica used the same transmission as the early Dodge Rampage and VW mini pick up. They would be ideal for battery placement.
The Bitter SC
Heard of all those except the 'China' one. Yes, even Lloyd. HELP ME
Can any of y'all help me remember the name of an old weird SUV that I ran across a few years ago but I forgot the name of? I think it had a name along the lines of "Long" or something and had a Ford 5.0 V8, a raised rear roofline and was kinda similar to a Laforza but with even more questionable styling and I think 4 seats. I think it was mid 80s or so as well
Try "Longchamps"
Kinda cool
Where is chrisfix
I thought you were never allowed back if you rolled over at Lemons. Glad to know that is not true.
Beating the Rotsun in something?
Well that's not saying much
Are there any African American teams in Lemons?
The team is from Nevada
Volga gaz24
Oscure
Meh if you'd dug up something like MTX V8 or MB100 (no not more common and slightly newer MB1000) that'd be goddamn impressive.
Fire ants. You can't make this stuff up!
Only 1 Rover p6! Only 1 sunbeam Rapier! Only 1 AMC Javelin all 1 Team!!!!!
So you’re allowed to buy a car $500 or less and then work on it?
Exactly
I have several Lloyds, that one was actually a really decent car before being butchered. It was also a TS model with the A arm rear suspension, the 25hp motor and nicer trim level. Waste of a great car.
No interior whatsoever. no switches , no glass, body broke free from the pan completely on the trailer ride home, engine seized, the list goes on. Not what i'd call a really decent car.
The DAF was the first car with a CVT transmissions and it was so simpler not like today Great Wall cars and utes are absolute crap unfortunately the Chinese sell them in Australia we are awash with Chinese built vehicles there quality is questionable and the Humber Super Snipe what a great luxury car l have owned a couple of Rootes cars and l owned a Hillman Minx and two Hillman Gazelles when l was younger but now l know better have Toyota Hilux 1997