I’ve been playing with the Trinitys for about the last month too. I found they do last longer maybe not four times as long, but at least twice. I really have been feeling good about the recyclable packaging and the longer use. I found that they did not bounce very much differently than the ordinary balls although they did sound different which took a little bit of getting used to. All in all I commend Wilson for trying to do something about The thousands and thousands of plastic cans going into landfills so we should all keep that in mind also.
I completely agree. I used the Trinities all summer in a Slinger ball machine. It took a bit to get used to them, but I wouldn't say that they had a tremendous impact on my game. The triniti feels a little "heavier" off my racket, but I was pleasantly surprised by the "pop" I could still get. I think that the Triniti is a viable replacement for standard balls for most players. I don't think it will make it to the "big leagues" because the standard ball has just a bit more of a lively feel. I find the 4x longer claim to be true with a ball machine but I would say 2-2.5x longer when playing matches.
The thing is aren't the regular tennis ball cans made out of the same plastic as well sodas in plastic bottles? Because those cans can be recycled and this idea makes zero sense all one has to do is cut off the aluminum band that held the lid which can be recycled as well. I just think this is a gimmick for people far too obsessed with climate change being an issue when since earth's foundation the weather has been changing even before man existed. Wilson has found a way to cash in with balls that fell dead and don't bounce well. Seriously you can recycle standard tennis ball cans if it makes you feel better. Or perhaps we can return to them being in all aluminum cans like they were in the past which are once again fully recyclable!
@@appalachianwoman561 My wrist noticed the difference immediately. Unfortunately, I have to play the Wilson Trinity Pro in my state (Hessen) in Germany. The states, which surround my state play a different ball.
So, I have been using the Triniti balls for a year now in a ball machine (Slinger). Folks, I am still on my first case of 72. They are about needing replacing, but for practice play, these balls do, in fact, last MUCH longer. For competitive play, I think it's safe to say they last 2-3 times longer, and 3x is being generous. The feel of the ball IS a bit different; they are less lively overall than standard tennis balls fresh out of a pressurized can. They just don't have that "lightness". For my ball machine, Triniti all the way. They are a great leap in ball technology and offer better value for practice and drills. For actual gameplay: give me a fresh pressurized can, please.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
@@m2n900 I'd recommend at least trying the Triniti against the wall. I think they'll last a little longer, but perhaps not that much. Walls are hard on tennis balls due to the consistent large surface area of the ball being compressed when contacting the wall. Give them a go. Otherwise, for the wall, I think any heavy duty ball will do.
I bought two “cans” of these to try out with my doubles group. Everyone liked them so I bought a case. Definitely last longer and keep their bounce. They also work great at colder temperatures.
The Wilson Trinity balls are crap for your elbow/arm as the feeling hitting ball is terribly harsh. Don’t like Long lasting balls, try out Tretorn series+ Cheers
I have a sensitive elbow, non-pressurized balls are a no-go for me. I tried these and they felt good, they sound different, so you can't do blind tests. Everyone should try a "can" and see. I like the idea of less waste, it is important to me.
I often carry out the bounce comparison on the court between worn-out (months-old, and being hit many times) Triniti and similarly worn-out normal balls. The difference is usually much bigger than this video. And everyone can feel the difference clearly when they hit the balls. Triniti bounces almost as much as brand new ones. It likely depends on what kind of conditions you put the balls in, but in my hands, Triniti feels "virtually ever bouncy"; lasting "four times longer" is a very humble and conservative statement. The felt doesn't last forever though.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
@@m2n900 I haven't tried the other two you mentioned, but for me, Triniti is good enough. I also like that they come in paper packages. As I mentioned, if the other two can beat Triniti, it would be the durability of the felt.
I've been using the Triniti and all I can say is that I think they're just fine. Honestly I can't tell the difference while playing, and they do seem to hold their liveliness longer than the regular Penn Championship Extra Duty balls I was buying before. I've played 2-4 recreational matches on a set of balls instead of opening a new can each time.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
One of my weekly hitting partners only uses trinity balls. We've been hitting with the same batch he got over 2 years ago. They still bounce the same. The only downside I see in these balls is that since they are a bit heavier, they break the strings in the rackets quicker.
Even the Tretorn Plus ball is better then the Wilson Trinity. Wilson ball is hard and bounces too high compared to a normal pressurised or pressureless tennis ball
So. Wilson reinvented the Tretorn ball ... For a tennis player durable means loger lasting when played. not after a month out of the box. Cut in half a Tretorn ball - it looks like the new Trinity. The differece in sound was obvious. as will be the pain in Your tennis elbow . because of the thicker walls. making it feel havier. which it probably is. I bet. the new ones have worse control. Wish You happy hollydays and lots of tennis in the new year from Bulgaria!
I learned in this video: 1. Kevin has a bad ass volley at the net! 2. 'scuze me Ian, dropping a ball is not exactly science 3. Wilson's rep should be allowed to plead their case as I recall the original marketing push was an environmental saving idea, kudos for trying. We play a 4,300' so high altitude balls are required, otherwise they fly over the fence. Not a big deal but worldwide tennis players debate to death their favorite tennis ball. We played a ton this summer and found Penn high altitude $2.00 balls didn't last more than two sets, had 'wings' on the seams that were not clipped at the factory, ended up with $2.00 a can Wilson NON high altitude balls that lasted at least six sets, were perfectly round. Emailed the Wilson rep to test the Triniti's, that failed, and realized even with the Wilson marketing push you won't find a can at your local tennis club, with a stringer, so acceptance and feedback from players could take awhile. You know if Ian is in a coma to open a can of new tennis balls, he will come around fast!
I was lucky to get some of the USPTA balls when they came out a few years ago and they are made to be a more durable and robust ball for coaches without being a Coach ball, which are like bricks. I don’t know many who use the USPTA ball for general play though. I’d like to see you use a standard Wilson US Open and a Penn HD or Marathon and do the test again to really see what heaviness and bounce difference there might be for the Triniti. I had several sleeves of the Triniti now and I hit with several folks. Everyone applauds the environmental efforts and agree Triniti would be a good practice ball, but most said they wouldn’t want it for match and league play. I was able to use the Triniti balls for almost a month before they lost what bounce they had. And the felt never roughed off as much as other balls, or no fluff like a Pro Penn. At my level it probably doesn’t matter as much, but I still prefer the Pro Penn. Cheers guys! Happiest Holidays. 🎄🎅🏼
Great video, Ian! I've been curious about the Triniti, and you answered most of my questions. You guys make the most entertaining and informative tennis content! (Love to Shankcast too!)
Personally I think this is the best ball for a pusher because of the increased difficulty to put pace on the ball, it makes it even easier to return the ball, while being harder for opponents to attack the ball. My pusher friend really enjoys Triniti over our normal Slazenger Wimbledon balls. I am okay with Triniti because it increases the difficulty of playing against him and my shots need to be extra on-point. We also noticed the increased bounce of the ball. What would be interesting to measure is overall playability of the balls after certain hours of play or sets etc.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
The Trinity is actually a pressurized ball. Wilson changed the compound to one that can hold the pressure over time so it doesn't need a pressurized container. The wall is thicker but the weight is the same. They also changed the felt to something they call "flex felt" that is also supposed to last longer. You will notice you don't see the felt flying everywhere like you do on regular tennis balls.
Once balls get dirty and hard to see, it's time to grab a new can anyway. Triniti feel hard on the strings when you hit them. Not comfortable. Prefer US Open, Penn Tour, and Dunlop AO/ATP XD for outdoor hard court play.
I believe it's just for identification. Like, to keep them in groups or to use different balls for different sets or if you're using the balls across several courts and balls get hit across the courts you can tell who's are who's
Great vid. But try testing dunlops top of the line tennis balls. They last 4 times longer then any wilson or Penn. I tested and will never buy a wilson unless the trinity lasts longer then dunlop. I'm in middle east and trinity is not here yet. Can you guys test dunlop vs trinity
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
Tried the Trinity and did not like the over-bounciness. Not for me. Regarding cutting the plastic pollution issue, why don't they just pressurise balls in thin aluminum cans? Like sodas? That would solve a lot of problems...
I bought 2 tubes of Triniti a couple of months ago. Before, I used to play with Head ATP and they were "exhausted" after 2-3 sessions. I still play with the same Trinitis after 5-6 sessions and they still bounce right, so I definitely can say they're long lasting. What's your impression nowadays? Have you tried keep playing using them for longer than one month? I'd be curious to hear your impressions on comparison of the same balls after 2 or 3 months. Thanks.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
Interesting test. I ordered some cans a few weeks back because I’m looking for something durable. These are way cheaper than Tretorn and last longer than regular balls. I can see high level players noticing they play differently, but so do different brands.
Can I suggest you use 2 or 3 different types of tennis balls for couple hitting sessions and then compare the bounce after, I believe many of us would like to see a US Open ball in this comparo. Especially for the Trinity ball, you might want to compare the bounce of a used one and a brand new one, thus we can see does the Trinity really last that long, also beside the pressure, you want to test how long does the felt last. cheers
It should be written,that there is a slogan here.He who loses his Hair doesn't mean he can't were a Hat!😁😉these Balls loosely lose there FELT before they lose there bounce.
They are like rocks. Because of new racket technology and strings, tennis balls were manufactured slower over the last 2 decades. Dunlop added carbon (graphite powder) to their rubber core inside the ball in order to slow the ball. You can see the effects especially in Wimbledon. No more serve and volley at all.
Really need a much higher drop test to see a better difference. Can you do that again in another month with the same balls? So 30, 60, 90 days at 20 feet or so?
The triniti "club" balls are the same, without the extra packaging; just 72 balls in a big cardboard box ($59 from wilson, free shipping🙂.) I've been using them for two weeks in my machine and they're the best practice balls for cold weather.
Great review thanks. I’m about to purchase a slinger bag as I have just started playing and they are now in the UK. They come with a purchase option of either 72 or 144 Trnity slinger balls but other pressure less balls seem a lot cheaper. Would you say that the trinity balls would be better of would a normal pressure less ball be okay. Thanks, love the channel by the way. Ray
Id love to see you do a similar test with the Tretorn Serie +. Theyre the go-to ball in Sweden and almost they only tennis balls you see here and pretty much Ive played with Ive heard theyre supposed to last a lot longer than Penn, Wilson, and Babolat balls. Would be fun to see how they stack up against the Trinity balls!
Nice to know they last 4x longer if you don't hit them. It's been many, many years since I and my hitting partners had to worry about tennis balls losing pressure. The fuzz is gone long before then.
If you really want a long lasting tennis ball try Tretorn Serie+. Drawback, they are expensive and hard to find, but they are still much better than Wilson Triniti. They are like US Open ball but last 4 times longer.
For ball machine non pressure balls are best but for arms not so good... as any non pressurized can play until P. Collina😅 Would not inhale fume from can, stay with Weissbier.
I'm surprised that anyone is even considering different brand than Tretorn in terms of durability. Tretorn Coach, Tretorn Micro X, Micro X Trainer are the best balls on the market, if not them we coaches would all go broke!
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
Seriously? The guy can't sacrafice $3 worth of tennis balls for science to see how they compare? I think they have plenty of balls that they can cut two in half.
I won some Tritinties at a local tournament... gave them away after 10 minutes of play. The feel heavy and give a very uncomfortable sensation with you hit them. I would agree with those who said they feel like rocks
They are about a dollar difference in my country and they last longer? So should I buy them or should I save my money and go safe with normal court balls?
Who in the world would pay $1.33 per ball when you can get Wilson or Penn at your local Walmart for $2.17 per can, and even cheaper when you order them by the case. The pressure less balls are heavier than regular ball and will cause you either wrist or elbow issues. They should mainly be used in ball machines.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
How do you know its false? We have a ways to go before we can tell for sure here on our court. Tennis balls are numbered so people can keep track of their three while they play a match. That way if a ball rolls onto the next court you can ask for X brand and Y number back.
That's a an unscientific test. You're dropping them by hand which is never going to be even. Also, if the triniti is sold in an unpressurized container, then what good does resting it on the shelf for a month do? It's not the inactivity alone that wears a ball out, it's the combination of sitting in an unpressurized container AND getting the snot beat out of it. I've played the Triniti for at least 15 hours to the point of wearing the cover off. And they still bounce fine. Much better than the regular ball which degrades after about 4 or 5 hours.
I picked up the triniti balls from the US open :). How would you compare it to the US open standard court balls? They have those branded separately as well. Also, does it make a huge difference what you learn with as a 1.75-3 player?
My personal experience with it and I played on a concrete handball court is that it's bouncier. I'll have to try indoors on the US Open's hard court and get back to you .
The standard WILSON tennisball is a wreck: 4x a wreck is still a wreck. Babolat Academy pressureless balls cost € 1,33 and last at least 3x longer as Wilsons: unbeataballs!
Triniti balls are horrible IMO. They play too heavy and are not arm friendly!! It can't be good for your arm after playing with balls after a couple times. Dunlop Championship ATP Heavy Duty are the best for the money IMO!
Seeing that it's slightly thicker, looks like a hybrid practice/pressurless ball with pressure. Not sure if this is an honest product. If it hits heavier, definitely a gimmick.
For this to be considered proper science, you have to put the results on sheets of cardboard, middle-school science fair style. Other tests you could have done. 1. listen to the balls being punctured 2. hit with the punctured balls 3. weigh the balls after 20 hours of hitting. etc. Science judges want to know if the Triniti lasts longer because 1. the latex retains elasticity longer 2. retains air pressure better 3. hangs on to felt longer. etc.
awesome video but you should play a couple of sets with them and then compare rather than just letting them sit xD that's not the kind of information most users are looking for lol
We played with a set of balls that had been used for 17 hours and they still had nice kick. We had originally opened a can of Penn balls that right off the bat had less bounce than the 17 hours of play Trinitis. We played 3 sets with the Penns which felt almost dead. We switched to the box of Trinitis and it felt like all new balls after 17 hours of play. Most of the guys I play with do not like them. I like the pop and they seem to add a bit more spin not sure why. They feel lighter and I am wondering if they would have less impact on the body than regular balls.
I have a question - How many of the people commenting here have tried the 'Triniti' ball? The goal of the video is educational, it's not definitive but enough here for me to give these a try. I can destroy a can of balls in a set so I'll try anything to cut down on the one-time usage waste.
The acid test is to give it to a coach and see whether he/she is prepared to use them in all lessons with paying customers/students for the next 3 months. That soon sorts the ball wheat from the ball chaff!!
Are they really like normal balls? I'm not convinced. They feel dead, almost impossible to get pace. They feel so insubstantial but at the same time hard as pellets. They feel cheap and dead. Anyone had this experience?
Lol wilson wont release any super durable tennis balls ,its all marketing they wanna sell as much balls as they can so they can profit .4 times more durable is a joke :D Nice video as always !
Can't believe I watched this for 12 minutes only to find out that you guys didn't play with the balls after the initial test. That was not helpful at all.
@@EssentialTennis How does the felt hold up in comparison to regular ball? One month isn't enough time for a modern tennis ball to go completely flat. Better to compare regular ball that has been out of the can for 6 months or a year, against TRINITI balls the same age and new TRINITI balls. I am guessing brand new TRINITI balls and year old unused TRINITI balls are the exact same. Regular balls are WORTHLESS after 6 months out of the can, even if they have never been hit.
John Stockton I can tell you the felt holds up pretty well. I’ve hit with some Trinity’s for 8 hours over 5 sessions on gravel and artificial grass. Held up fine and the bounce is alright. I do notice a difference between them when squeezing the balls. Not sure how that actually affects their bounce.
The environmental impact of tennis balls; cradle to grave is insane. Take a plunge into it and you'll be 2nd guessing if we should be playing at all with the current balls. At every pt of a balls life it destroys the environment
When the Amplifeel technology was lauched by Wilson, they claimed those little 4 basalt bars in the racquet grips amplify the feel of the frame. Well, I took those 4 pieces of "basalt" layers of five pro staffs blx and they felt just the same. There's a lot of marketing on what they say. I'll stick to the traditional heavy duty balls. They never let me down.
I’ve been playing with the Trinitys for about the last month too. I found they do last longer maybe not four times as long, but at least twice. I really have been feeling good about the recyclable packaging and the longer use. I found that they did not bounce very much differently than the ordinary balls although they did sound different which took a little bit of getting used to. All in all I commend Wilson for trying to do something about The thousands and thousands of plastic cans going into landfills so we should all keep that in mind also.
Vo-iD Projects love this
I completely agree. I used the Trinities all summer in a Slinger ball machine. It took a bit to get used to them, but I wouldn't say that they had a tremendous impact on my game. The triniti feels a little "heavier" off my racket, but I was pleasantly surprised by the "pop" I could still get.
I think that the Triniti is a viable replacement for standard balls for most players. I don't think it will make it to the "big leagues" because the standard ball has just a bit more of a lively feel.
I find the 4x longer claim to be true with a ball machine but I would say 2-2.5x longer when playing matches.
The thing is aren't the regular tennis ball cans made out of the same plastic as well sodas in plastic bottles? Because those cans can be recycled and this idea makes zero sense all one has to do is cut off the aluminum band that held the lid which can be recycled as well. I just think this is a gimmick for people far too obsessed with climate change being an issue when since earth's foundation the weather has been changing even before man existed. Wilson has found a way to cash in with balls that fell dead and don't bounce well. Seriously you can recycle standard tennis ball cans if it makes you feel better. Or perhaps we can return to them being in all aluminum cans like they were in the past which are once again fully recyclable!
@@appalachianwoman561 My wrist noticed the difference immediately. Unfortunately, I have to play the Wilson Trinity Pro in my state (Hessen) in Germany. The states, which surround my state play a different ball.
@@appalachianwoman561 tennis warehouse says that regular cans aren’t recyclable
Thank you for starting it by smelling the balls!
😆It's a critical test!!
Like Dominika Cibulkova smell test in 2016 XD th-cam.com/video/wsHLoplIqe4/w-d-xo.html
YES, I absolutely love that video, haha. So impressive. -Ian
i wouldn't recommend smelling test. That chemical you smell is cancer causing agent
So, I have been using the Triniti balls for a year now in a ball machine (Slinger). Folks, I am still on my first case of 72. They are about needing replacing, but for practice play, these balls do, in fact, last MUCH longer.
For competitive play, I think it's safe to say they last 2-3 times longer, and 3x is being generous.
The feel of the ball IS a bit different; they are less lively overall than standard tennis balls fresh out of a pressurized can. They just don't have that "lightness".
For my ball machine, Triniti all the way. They are a great leap in ball technology and offer better value for practice and drills.
For actual gameplay: give me a fresh pressurized can, please.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
@@m2n900 I'd recommend at least trying the Triniti against the wall. I think they'll last a little longer, but perhaps not that much.
Walls are hard on tennis balls due to the consistent large surface area of the ball being compressed when contacting the wall.
Give them a go. Otherwise, for the wall, I think any heavy duty ball will do.
I bought two “cans” of these to try out with my doubles group. Everyone liked them so I bought a case. Definitely last longer and keep their bounce. They also work great at colder temperatures.
How can we buy?? Can you send a website?
Great video. Hate playing with non pressured balls and hate buying/playing with dead balls. Might try them out!
The Wilson Trinity balls are crap for your elbow/arm as the feeling hitting ball is terribly harsh. Don’t like
Long lasting balls, try out Tretorn series+
Cheers
Get a dampener?
I have a sensitive elbow, non-pressurized balls are a no-go for me. I tried these and they felt good, they sound different, so you can't do blind tests. Everyone should try a "can" and see. I like the idea of less waste, it is important to me.
I often carry out the bounce comparison on the court between worn-out (months-old, and being hit many times) Triniti and similarly worn-out normal balls. The difference is usually much bigger than this video. And everyone can feel the difference clearly when they hit the balls. Triniti bounces almost as much as brand new ones. It likely depends on what kind of conditions you put the balls in, but in my hands, Triniti feels "virtually ever bouncy"; lasting "four times longer" is a very humble and conservative statement. The felt doesn't last forever though.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
@@m2n900 I haven't tried the other two you mentioned, but for me, Triniti is good enough. I also like that they come in paper packages. As I mentioned, if the other two can beat Triniti, it would be the durability of the felt.
I've been using the Triniti and all I can say is that I think they're just fine. Honestly I can't tell the difference while playing, and they do seem to hold their liveliness longer than the regular Penn Championship Extra Duty balls I was buying before. I've played 2-4 recreational matches on a set of balls instead of opening a new can each time.
Cool! Appreciate you posting your experiences, Craig. Thanks for watching.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
One of my weekly hitting partners only uses trinity balls. We've been hitting with the same batch he got over 2 years ago. They still bounce the same. The only downside I see in these balls is that since they are a bit heavier, they break the strings in the rackets quicker.
please do comparison with Tretorn pressureless
Noted!
Micro X is the best pressuless ball imo.
Even the Tretorn Plus ball is better then the Wilson Trinity. Wilson ball is hard and bounces too high compared to a normal pressurised or pressureless tennis ball
So. Wilson reinvented the Tretorn ball ...
For a tennis player durable means loger lasting when played. not after a month out of the box.
Cut in half a Tretorn ball - it looks like the new Trinity.
The differece in sound was obvious. as will be the pain in Your tennis elbow . because of the thicker walls. making it feel havier. which it probably is.
I bet. the new ones have worse control.
Wish You happy hollydays and lots of tennis in the new year from Bulgaria!
you're right about getting tennis elbow from them---if the pros aren't using that ball, i don't wanna use it either
Also agree, they are hard and feel terrible on the arm
I thought you meant “lasting longer when playing with them”
I learned in this video: 1. Kevin has a bad ass volley at the net! 2. 'scuze me Ian, dropping a ball is not exactly science 3. Wilson's rep should be allowed to plead their case as I recall the original marketing push was an environmental saving idea, kudos for trying.
We play a 4,300' so high altitude balls are required, otherwise they fly over the fence. Not a big deal but worldwide tennis players debate to death their favorite tennis ball. We played a ton this summer and found Penn high altitude $2.00 balls didn't last more than two sets, had 'wings' on the seams that were not clipped at the factory, ended up with $2.00 a can Wilson NON high altitude balls that lasted at least six sets, were perfectly round. Emailed the Wilson rep to test the Triniti's, that failed, and realized even with the Wilson marketing push you won't find a can at your local tennis club, with a stringer, so acceptance and feedback from players could take awhile.
You know if Ian is in a coma to open a can of new tennis balls, he will come around fast!
Glad you learned some important lessons!
readers of your comment also learned something John
Excellent review. Do you know if any of the pro tournaments use Trinity?
I don't, but I heard it was approved for competitive play recently.
I was lucky to get some of the USPTA balls when they came out a few years ago and they are made to be a more durable and robust ball for coaches without being a Coach ball, which are like bricks. I don’t know many who use the USPTA ball for general play though. I’d like to see you use a standard Wilson US Open and a Penn HD or Marathon and do the test again to really see what heaviness and bounce difference there might be for the Triniti. I had several sleeves of the Triniti now and I hit with several folks. Everyone applauds the environmental efforts and agree Triniti would be a good practice ball, but most said they wouldn’t want it for match and league play. I was able to use the Triniti balls for almost a month before they lost what bounce they had. And the felt never roughed off as much as other balls, or no fluff like a Pro Penn. At my level it probably doesn’t matter as much, but I still prefer the Pro Penn. Cheers guys! Happiest Holidays. 🎄🎅🏼
Appreciate hearing your experiences, Back of the Line!
#3:54 If you used your Both hands, It was most clear.
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good to know. and worth remembering that with the world currently choking on plastic, 10 zillion fewer ball cans in the garbage is a good thing.
Great video, Ian! I've been curious about the Triniti, and you answered most of my questions. You guys make the most entertaining and informative tennis content! (Love to Shankcast too!)
Personally I think this is the best ball for a pusher because of the increased difficulty to put pace on the ball, it makes it even easier to return the ball, while being harder for opponents to attack the ball. My pusher friend really enjoys Triniti over our normal Slazenger Wimbledon balls. I am okay with Triniti because it increases the difficulty of playing against him and my shots need to be extra on-point.
We also noticed the increased bounce of the ball.
What would be interesting to measure is overall playability of the balls after certain hours of play or sets etc.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
The Trinity is actually a pressurized ball. Wilson changed the compound to one that can hold the pressure over time so it doesn't need a pressurized container. The wall is thicker but the weight is the same. They also changed the felt to something they call "flex felt" that is also supposed to last longer. You will notice you don't see the felt flying everywhere like you do on regular tennis balls.
Once balls get dirty and hard to see, it's time to grab a new can anyway. Triniti feel hard on the strings when you hit them. Not comfortable. Prefer US Open, Penn Tour, and Dunlop AO/ATP XD for outdoor hard court play.
pull ring, swish of air, and then smell the ball...i thought only i did this ...
No way!
That's how I get my tennis high
thanks for the informations, plz can you tell me what means the numbers in the balls like dunlop fort all court 1, 2 ,3 ,4??
I believe it's just for identification. Like, to keep them in groups or to use different balls for different sets or if you're using the balls across several courts and balls get hit across the courts you can tell who's are who's
Great vid. But try testing dunlops top of the line tennis balls. They last 4 times longer then any wilson or Penn. I tested and will never buy a wilson unless the trinity lasts longer then dunlop. I'm in middle east and trinity is not here yet. Can you guys test dunlop vs trinity
Good to know, maybe we'll do that test next!
@@EssentialTennis Dunlop with the HD Pro Core is the one to test. TRUST me wilson will feel clunky n wont bounce like dunlop after a month of play.
I find dunlop balls too hard on my elbow.
Would Triniti last longer than pressureless if used with a tennis ball machone? And which one of the two would be faster?
Wilson US Open is my favorite of all time.
They're solid!
wilson AO are way better
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
Great video. Thanks
I would have like to know the weight of the two.
Could you weigh them?
They are about 55 grams.
Do they use the new Trinity for ATP and grand slams?
Tried the Trinity and did not like the over-bounciness. Not for me.
Regarding cutting the plastic pollution issue, why don't they just pressurise balls in thin aluminum cans? Like sodas? That would solve a lot of problems...
Sure but aluminium is expensive.
I bought 2 tubes of Triniti a couple of months ago. Before, I used to play with Head ATP and they were "exhausted" after 2-3 sessions.
I still play with the same Trinitis after 5-6 sessions and they still bounce right, so I definitely can say they're long lasting.
What's your impression nowadays? Have you tried keep playing using them for longer than one month?
I'd be curious to hear your impressions on comparison of the same balls after 2 or 3 months. Thanks.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
Interesting test. I ordered some cans a few weeks back because I’m looking for something durable. These are way cheaper than Tretorn and last longer than regular balls. I can see high level players noticing they play differently, but so do different brands.
Can I suggest you use 2 or 3 different types of tennis balls for couple hitting sessions and then compare the bounce after, I believe many of us would like to see a US Open ball in this comparo.
Especially for the Trinity ball, you might want to compare the bounce of a used one and a brand new one, thus we can see does the Trinity really last that long, also beside the pressure, you want to test how long does the felt last.
cheers
It should be written,that there is a slogan here.He who loses his Hair doesn't mean he can't were a Hat!😁😉these Balls loosely lose there FELT before they lose there bounce.
Would be cool to see you guys hit with them each month - then talk about them afterwards.
I have just started a gofund me to get Ian a new hacksaw
Please add a clamp or vice to it, otherwise we’ll need to gofund Ian some new bionic fingers!
They are like rocks.
Because of new racket technology and strings, tennis balls were manufactured slower over the last 2 decades. Dunlop added carbon (graphite powder) to their rubber core inside the ball in order to slow the ball. You can see the effects especially in Wimbledon. No more serve and volley at all.
Really need a much higher drop test to see a better difference. Can you do that again in another month with the same balls? So 30, 60, 90 days at 20 feet or so?
The triniti "club" balls are the same, without the extra packaging; just 72 balls in a big cardboard box ($59 from wilson, free shipping🙂.) I've been using them for two weeks in my machine and they're the best practice balls for cold weather.
That's what we have now!
*Thanks, I always thought there was a second ball inside the ball)))*
😂😂😂😉
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It might be true if we talk about pressureless balls because there is a rubber inside instead of the air.
Great review thanks. I’m about to purchase a slinger bag as I have just started playing and they are now in the UK. They come with a purchase option of either 72 or 144 Trnity slinger balls but other pressure less balls seem a lot cheaper. Would you say that the trinity balls would be better of would a normal pressure less ball be okay.
Thanks, love the channel by the way.
Ray
Id love to see you do a similar test with the Tretorn Serie +. Theyre the go-to ball in Sweden and almost they only tennis balls you see here and pretty much Ive played with
Ive heard theyre supposed to last a lot longer than Penn, Wilson, and Babolat balls. Would be fun to see how they stack up against the Trinity balls!
Nice to know they last 4x longer if you don't hit them. It's been many, many years since I and my hitting partners had to worry about tennis balls losing pressure. The fuzz is gone long before then.
What do you think about "shine ultra" balls?
Haven't used them yet, what are they like?
But you compared them to the lower level Wilson balls, instead of the Wilson US Open balls.
If you really want a long lasting tennis ball try Tretorn Serie+. Drawback, they are expensive and hard to find, but they are still much better than Wilson Triniti. They are like US Open ball but last 4 times longer.
TRETRON Tennis BALLS were Like ROCKS !!!!!!!!!
Tretorn micro x is the best ball machine ball. Imo
Micro X is horrible. It's like hitting a rock.
For ball machine non pressure balls are best but for arms not so good... as any non pressurized can play until P. Collina😅 Would not inhale fume from can, stay with Weissbier.
Id like to see a Wilson vs Penn test. I like hitting with Wilson more. I wonder if theres a real difference or if its all in my head.
Maybe we'll do that next!
@@EssentialTennis Compare to the Penn ATP. To me they feel heavier and softer.
Wilson Triniti = Tretorn balls we used to know : really hard balls and elbow hurting after 15min of play. Would not really recommend it.
I'm surprised that anyone is even considering different brand than Tretorn in terms of durability.
Tretorn Coach, Tretorn Micro X, Micro X Trainer are the best balls on the market, if not them we coaches would all go broke!
I haven't tried them yet, we'll be sure to!
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
I almost had a minor stroke when you cut those two perfectly good tennis balls in half!! Balls are meant to be played with, not cut in half :)
Seriously? The guy can't sacrafice $3 worth of tennis balls for science to see how they compare? I think they have plenty of balls that they can cut two in half.
@@peterr6205 He can do whatever he wants with his balls, but that doesn't mean I can't feel a bit sad when they get cut in half.
Great video. I love videos like this where people are prepared to test against the hype and not blindly go along with the marketing spiel!
I won some Tritinties at a local tournament... gave them away after 10 minutes of play. The feel heavy and give a very uncomfortable sensation with you hit them. I would agree with those who said they feel like rocks
They are about a dollar difference in my country and they last longer? So should I buy them or should I save my money and go safe with normal court balls?
If you are a beginner or intermed i would recommend you to buy it. However if you aren't it wouldn't really matter to much
Who in the world would pay $1.33 per ball when you can get Wilson or Penn at your local Walmart for $2.17 per can, and even cheaper when you order them by the case. The pressure less balls are heavier than regular ball and will cause you either wrist or elbow issues. They should mainly be used in ball machines.
This is US price ! In EU we pay 5-6 €/can
@@MaxtizzartEU ripping you off as usual
To me they feel hard as rocks, their bounce is irregular.
And the longevity is based on the use, not keeping the bounce as they sit idle.
I feel like trinity is firmer at compact compared to wilson tour
Yes, I agree.
Great commentary… 👍 I play only against the wall… I like it that way 😎 … but I’m breaking balls all the time.. so I’m looking for a aprópiate ball for me…. I’m between the Dunlop ATP extra duty / Wilson US Open extra duty / This Wilson Trinity…. Witch one would you recommend.. ? Thank you 🙌
Maybe the chemical composition on the air constituent is the different
Are they allowed to false advertise and say it lasts 4 times longer? Also what do the numbers mean on the ball?
How do you know its false? We have a ways to go before we can tell for sure here on our court. Tennis balls are numbered so people can keep track of their three while they play a match. That way if a ball rolls onto the next court you can ask for X brand and Y number back.
That's a an unscientific test. You're dropping them by hand which is never going to be even.
Also, if the triniti is sold in an unpressurized container, then what good does resting it on the shelf for a month do? It's not the inactivity alone that wears a ball out, it's the combination of sitting in an unpressurized container AND getting the snot beat out of it.
I've played the Triniti for at least 15 hours to the point of wearing the cover off. And they still bounce fine. Much better than the regular ball which degrades after about 4 or 5 hours.
Sigh. The trinity is almost 9 US$ here in Singapore.
I picked up the triniti balls from the US open :). How would you compare it to the US open standard court balls? They have those branded separately as well. Also, does it make a huge difference what you learn with as a 1.75-3 player?
My personal experience with it and I played on a concrete handball court is that it's bouncier. I'll have to try indoors on the US Open's hard court and get back to you .
in australia a normal pack of 3 is around 10 dollars, how is it so cheap in the us
The standard WILSON tennisball is a wreck: 4x a wreck is still a wreck.
Babolat Academy pressureless balls cost € 1,33 and last at least 3x longer as Wilsons: unbeataballs!
Agreed, I hate Wilson. Penn is my go to
Weight?
Ian it would be great to do a hot test after a month or so. Do they feel just as flat?
Great video btw. Sounds like they are worth it. 😀
My boy Kevin volleying like a pro👌🏻
Triniti balls are horrible IMO. They play too heavy and are not arm friendly!! It can't be good for your arm after playing with balls after a couple times. Dunlop Championship ATP Heavy Duty are the best for the money IMO!
Seeing that it's slightly thicker, looks like a hybrid practice/pressurless ball with pressure. Not sure if this is an honest product. If it hits heavier, definitely a gimmick.
Ian, lean into your forehand more...you are backing up slightly on each stroke...I noticed this in the match vs ira.
For this to be considered proper science, you have to put the results on sheets of cardboard, middle-school science fair style. Other tests you could have done. 1. listen to the balls being punctured 2. hit with the punctured balls 3. weigh the balls after 20 hours of hitting. etc. Science judges want to know if the Triniti lasts longer because 1. the latex retains elasticity longer 2. retains air pressure better 3. hangs on to felt longer. etc.
What in the world strings and tension are you guys using? lol The Trinity is definitely thicker.
I use full poly around 55lbs or so. Kevin has been using a hybrid of poly in the mains and synthetic in the crosses around 51lbs. -Ian
You guys should try poly at 30lbs... so much nicer
@@dantheman1337 I read about going low tension with polys. I've done down to 45, and find it takes time to get used to. I can't imagine 30 lbs. lol
Trinity is garbage
Heavy ball that goes bald fast
Into the trash where the babolat golds are
Just got some on Amazon for 9.45 for one can
Bro ... don't drop them in the same hand 🤦♂️
The titanium ball was supposed to last longer, also.
If it feels softer, can that also mean more arm friendly?
But the question everyone wants to know... Does the Wilson last longer when playing with my dog?
I am sure they do, they are so hard he won't be able to bite into them
Head just launched their own "triniti" version. They are called "Head Reset"
Wilson loves Essential Tennis...right?
Has anybody tried running this ball the a ball machine?
It's the only ball I put in my ball machine.
You should have weighed them on a good kitchen scale to see the difference
Sorry! Next time!
I think maybe 0.5% of players would be able to blind tell the difference between balls. It's just not going to matter to rec players at all.
awesome video but you should play a couple of sets with them and then compare rather than just letting them sit xD that's not the kind of information most users are looking for lol
Well, its been a year now. I've run them through my ball machine and done training with them for 4-5 months at a time with almost no change in bounce.
@@EssentialTennis that's amazing!!!! Thank you for that comment and the unbiased review. I will probably give them a go!
Yup, still no sponsorship or anything. They just work.
There is a rule, a regular tennis ball last 2 matches.The new ones?
We played with a set of balls that had been used for 17 hours and they still had nice kick. We had originally opened a can of Penn balls that right off the bat had less bounce than the 17 hours of play Trinitis. We played 3 sets with the Penns which felt almost dead. We switched to the box of Trinitis and it felt like all new balls after 17 hours of play. Most of the guys I play with do not like them. I like the pop and they seem to add a bit more spin not sure why. They feel lighter and I am wondering if they would have less impact on the body than regular balls.
@@jarickthom9767 already I tried them and last me 5 matches
I have a question - How many of the people commenting here have tried the 'Triniti' ball? The goal of the video is educational, it's not definitive but enough here for me to give these a try.
I can destroy a can of balls in a set so I'll try anything to cut down on the one-time usage waste.
I have tried them, would never buy them, but they do last longer.
The acid test is to give it to a coach and see whether he/she is prepared to use them in all lessons with paying customers/students for the next 3 months. That soon sorts the ball wheat from the ball chaff!!
Pressure-less balls aren’t new. I played with Tretorn balls in the 70’s.
“Best tennis ball?” More like “best tennis ball!” Hahahaha
You a fan of the Triniti?
@@EssentialTennis I am the biggest fan of Penn Championship Extra Duty
Cool, good to know.
lol
Trinity has less energy not more
Are they really like normal balls? I'm not convinced. They feel dead, almost impossible to get pace. They feel so insubstantial but at the same time hard as pellets. They feel cheap and dead. Anyone had this experience?
Lol wilson wont release any super durable tennis balls ,its all marketing they wanna sell as much balls as they can so they can profit .4 times more durable is a joke :D Nice video as always !
These definitely last longer.....so they're trying 🙂
Can't believe I watched this for 12 minutes only to find out that you guys didn't play with the balls after the initial test. That was not helpful at all.
Sorry, Mark. We'll do a follow up.
I agree. A complete review would be one where the ball has been played with. As fundamentally that was it's all about.
@@EssentialTennis How does the felt hold up in comparison to regular ball? One month isn't enough time for a modern tennis ball to go completely flat. Better to compare regular ball that has been out of the can for 6 months or a year, against TRINITI balls the same age and new TRINITI balls. I am guessing brand new TRINITI balls and year old unused TRINITI balls are the exact same. Regular balls are WORTHLESS after 6 months out of the can, even if they have never been hit.
John Stockton I can tell you the felt holds up pretty well. I’ve hit with some Trinity’s for 8 hours over 5 sessions on gravel and artificial grass. Held up fine and the bounce is alright. I do notice a difference between them when squeezing the balls. Not sure how that actually affects their bounce.
Ive found the best tennis balls are the ones someone else bought.
Ur wrong the uspta clearly kept a better bounce
You play tennis with a vivobarefoot shoe?
Not full speed, but drilling and demonstrating I do. -Ian
@@EssentialTennis I tried it too but it hurts when you stop with one big step from the run
The environmental impact of tennis balls; cradle to grave is insane.
Take a plunge into it and you'll be 2nd guessing if we should be playing at all with the current balls.
At every pt of a balls life it destroys the environment
When the Amplifeel technology was lauched by Wilson, they claimed those little 4 basalt bars in the racquet grips amplify the feel of the frame. Well, I took those 4 pieces of "basalt" layers of five pro staffs blx and they felt just the same. There's a lot of marketing on what they say. I'll stick to the traditional heavy duty balls. They never let me down.