CrossFire XR vs Pro - Langmuir System's tables compared side by side.
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ย. 2021
- I compare the Langmuir Systems CrossFire XR vs Pro side by side in my shop (Edit with some more cuts added at 17:30). Since the CrossFire Pro was going to be in my shop for the next few weeks, I decided to put it back together next to the XR to show exactly what the differences were between the two tables. Bottom line...both are a great choice for any shop.
CHECK OUT Cross Fire XR and Pro on our page
ntdracing.com/store
Get a discount on the CrossFire Pro by clicking on this link store.langmuirsystems.com?aff=21
Use code NTDRACING to get a $100 on the CrossFire Pro and CrossFire
I loved every moment I served in the Air Force, except the times we got the worst news about a friend that would not be coming home. These tragic events instantly left families without a Father or Mother and many times without their primary income source. While the US Military has resources to help families carry on, more needs to be done. This is where organizations like Folds of Honor step up. This amazing foundation provides scholarships to spouses and children of America’s fallen and disabled service members. Please consider a donation to Folds of Honor using the link below.
HONOR THEIR SACRIFICE.
EDUCATE THEIR LEGACY.
folds-of-honor-2.snwbll.com/n...
#NTDRacing #CrossFireXR #langmuirsystems
There are many great TH-cam channels out there...here are a few of my favorites that have helped me get ready for this build.
Welding Tips and Tricks: Jodi gives welding instruction and has and shows you how to use the things he sells in his store. Prices seem reasonable. / weldingtipsandtricks
The Fabrication Series: Great instruction and explanation about suspension design and welding / @thefabricatorseries
Wings World: These guys just build cool stuff and provide great tips along the way. / @wingsworldchannel
Doug Bug: My hero when it comes to building really cool stuff on a budget. Doug provides great instruction on how to use Bend-tech software. / @dougbugbuilder
Driveway Engineer: Another one of my heroes in the “make it happen on a budget world” Start here if you want to know which LS engine to look for and references on how to remove VATS. / @dougbugbuilder
Busted Knuckle Film: The Rock Rod Tech has some of the best, easy to understand instruction for many things like suspension design and safety equipment • How to Build a Custom ...
Filthy Motorsports: also owner of www.crawlpedia.com has everything you want to know about King shocks and suspension setup. / filthyms
Ucandoit2: Great step by step video about how to make a stand alone LS engine using an LM7. / @ucandoit2mike
Thanks for the review and comparison. We got the Pro using your link a few years ago and it has been a great machine. Our shop isn't big enough for an XR, but if we build a bigger shop or an extension, I may consider upgrading to an XR. Can't beat the price!
Excellent info, that helped me make my decision to go for the XR, even when I’m a new user,
Thanks a lot
Thanks for another awesome video.
Beautiful demonstration, I am convinced. I need one soon
Thanks. Code NTDRacing should save you some bucks.
Awesome job on both !
Thanks.
Had no idea. Thank you!
Awesome info mate
Cheers
Rob
Well done, helpful info. Thanks
Great video. Would love to see you do a basic vehicle build series using the crossfire, maybe build a gokart with suspension or something. Very cool.
After the Baja 1000, I am going to start a trophy truck build. Hope to have it ready for the 2022 Baja 1000.
Awesome video! Considering the XR comes with a computer and 22" touchscreen, I think that needs to be factored into the cost too, since you have to provide your own laptop to run the pro. Really appreciate your videos!
Again Awesome video.
Thank you for addressing our questions about the precision of the new machine. I hope that you can get it just as good as the Crossfire Pro.... that cut didn't have an issue. Maybe it's the plasma torch issue? I would love to see if you figure that out as we are planning to use the XR for more precise parts.
I'm also getting in a habit of liking your videos and leaving a comment just to promote your chanel, hopefully it helps. Your chanel is definitely well worth Millons subscribers and Millions of likes. Keep up the awesome work!!!!
It really does help, and I appreciate it. I figure that I will just keep making them and see what happens. You never know what people are going to like. I will keep trying to dial in the lead in and out quality and maybe put a list of settings I use on our web page. Thanks for watching.
We have a Crossfire pro at work and on my lead ins and outs inside Fusion I create a radius both on entry and exit If there is room. Also I try to keep the lead in and out length minimum of twice the kerf width go longer if possible. Thanks for the great videos
Thanks...will try that tomorrow.
Honcho! 2.XR. Looking forward to how that goes.
Great video. Another very helpful one. You called the Z axis the X axis and vice versa. Easy mistake to make.
Interesting. Taking a hard look at both of these.
Both work great. Really depends on what cut size you need. Code NTDRacing will save you some bucks at checkout.
The ballscrews alone are a huge accuracy upgrade. Really impressed with the XR.
for lead in lead out.
you can use specific point.
by adding points (+). over your model.
set it as lead in/lead out points.
we use it to define predrill holes. for milling.
Great video, can you start, and finish the cut slightly on the outside and then finish on the outside? That way your starting pierce is slightly away from your running line. With the cut numbers and letters, start the pierce in the center of the litter if they are the scrap section. L:ooks like a decent machine.
David thank you for sharing this comparison. In the XR machine can you determine the finish on the Y Gantry and the X round tube ? It looks like the guiding rollers on the Y gantry are starting to wear through the black finish. the bearing arrangement on Y gantry does not look as robust as the pro ? The video didn't show the Y guide bearings that closely. Thanks Ken
All those kicks in there appear to be fairly close to the same size; makes me wonder if you have some backlash in your ball nuts or maybe a loose set screw in your drives. Thanks for the great videos!
I will check that out, but I am fairly certain that it has to do with the lead in and lead out considering it is in the location where the cut starts. The nicks are really pretty small. I normally weld right past them without any issues.
How are you going to load full size sheets of plate on the big table?
I just about pulled the trigger on the 1st batch of the Pro and currently are running the XR. I would say that your lead-in and out is the problem in your setup for this demo. Sheet Cam allows that mod pretty easily as well as lets you enter the cut on a radius at 90 deg, or at a lower angle like 45 deg.. I cut a lot of 16 and 18 ga. metal art and I think that the Pro would excel with the thinner ga. material. I have had a backside dross issue (still trying to find the right settings) and one area that the Pro would definitely beat the XR in is cut speed. My Thermal Dynamics cutter states that the feed of 300ipm or greater at 45 or 60A, and my XR is kind of sketchy above about 250ipm.
Great demo and very helpful. I'd love to see the Pro running at 300-400ipm, hint hint...
I have cut AL at 300ipm with the XR and was impressed with the cut quality. Have not yet tried to cut at 400,
Have you ever tried cutting square tubing on the crossfire pro, since the gantry sticks out? It seems easy enough to clamp the tube to the side and cut your copes.
Check out this video th-cam.com/video/7OouTZ0DVrw/w-d-xo.html at 10:50 I cut into a round tube. I think you could totally cut a square tube.
I don't have much exp with plasma tables, but I have seen similar issues with lead in on CNC milling machines. Is it possible to use a circular lead in at one point, cut past that point, and use a circular lead out? I would also think that your lead out could be faster than your cutting speed. That might eliminate any over cut. Not 100% on those solutions, but its worth a shot. I actually plan to purchase either a pro or xr soon.
For a non-high-def plasma, those cuts are amazing. I seen worse and I have seen better on machines that are excess of $92k by esab. A plasma will always a small lead in mark, even going into waterjet and laser on thick materials you will have the same. Great job and thanks again.
Thanks.
At the fab shops I worked at I’ve never seen a plasma table loaded with a forklift everyone I’ve worked at used a gantry crane with 4point plate jaws to load the tables with
How many gantry cranes have you seen in a residential garage?
@@7soulcraft7 3 and I’ve built and installed 2 others. Hell you could even use one like they sell at HF for automotive use and roll it around the shop to load and unload materials
Your lead in and lead outs look pretty good to me, but the machine I use is self built on a budget so it's of lesser quality as a whole. Sheetcam has a feature called overcut, which has it keep cutting a bit past what would normally be the end of the cut, effectively running over the very start of the profile a second time, I found this gave me less of point that sticks out.
I also have the gcode set up to switch the torch off a few mm after it crosses where it did the lead in, but before it does the lead out. I've heard this can help sort of feather out the nick you see. Can't say for sure how well this works, my machine is a bit inconsistent, but I read that it helps when doing research on improving cut quality.
The best method to reduce these nicks though is to strategically place your lead ins. Sheetcam lets you click where you want it to start each cut, not sure about fusion 360. I find sharp (external) corners are the best place, or halfway along the radius in a corner. If you place it on a sharp corner you wont really see any sign of a lead in.
Would love to see your DIY table. I have SheetCam. Just have not committed the time to learn it yet. Fusion 360 is my first…tough to let go.
@@ntdracing The machine is nothing special, box section for rails and skate bearings to make the carriages roll. The current version has carriages cut out from 6mm plate and folded with a hammer, cut out on the previous version which was made from bolted together flat bar and square tube.
Both axis are belt driven, which isn't the best choice for a machine that's just a bit under 2mx3m, but the boss wanted it built on a budget so the likes of rack and pinion or long screws were not an option. The Y axis is also only driven on one side, unlike on your machines, again for budget reasons.
I added a cable system to adjust and hold the gantry somewhat square. The undriven side seems to have about 1mm or so of slop because of this, so if you push it with your hand one way, and then the other it wont return to exactly the same spot both times. This bothers me, but not the boss, so there probably wont be the time/money to fix it any time soon.
Does the job for what we need though, mainly cutting out big square or round table bases or small mounting plates, it's usually accurate to + - 0.5mm of nominal somehow despite the 1mm of apparent slop at the undriven end. Considering we're working with tape measures even + - 1mm which seems to be the worst case scenario for our machine is good enough for what we do.
Looks like your kerf width is larger than what is programmed into the tool
Hello David, I like the design and durability of the XR any chance Langmuir would offer the XR in the size of the pro?
Is there a way to use other programs and import the files into the CrossFire sys , such as Solid works or HVAC sheet metal layout such as Design2Fab?
You bet. You can use sheetCAM for the computer aided manufacturing (CAM). They have a discount for the program on the Langmuir Systems site. Many people prefer SheetCAM over Fusion 360 anyway. Thanks for watching.
1st? Great videos 👌
Do you think it would be ok to put a product like flexseal or even linex in the water table?
It probably will work, but I have never used those products and would be interested to see how they would hold up over a long period, or how they would react if you used something other than water in your table. The RTV worked well for me.
Thank you for sharing nice video👍👍👍 what type of electrical power would I need in my garage to run the crossfire pro. And what type of air compressor? I’m only cutting sheet metal from 24gauge to 12 gauge. Thank you
The CrossFire Pro and the XR tables only require 115V to run the table. The torch is another consideration. I use the RW45 which needs 230 and my compressor also uses 230. I think you could make it work with 115. You would want to look at the Langmuir Systems torch compatibility table and see which ones will work with 115V...not sure if there are any. Check out the cost of setting up a 230 outlet. It might not be as much as you think. Good luck...
www.langmuirsystems.com/plasma-cutters
Looks like Hobart makes one that will operate on 120 amzn.to/3GL7vnz
When you do the math...The Hobart is $500 more than the Razorweld...for my $500, I would add a 230 drop or two in my garage. Hope this helps.
Great video. It’s called a cat track in the industry.
Can you cut 1 inch thick structural steel with those cutters?
The cut capacity is limited by the plasma cutting machine used which are rated in different amperages..also the air compressor size used with the plasma cutter plays a factor..example a Primeweld cut60 60amp plasma cutter can cut up to 7/8 inch plate with the correct air pressure being fed to it..very doubtful any home users have that type of need typically..
Shop and equipment tour?
I might try to post one right before the next race. Thanks for watching.
The pro cut looks better quality than the xr
Does crossfire pro have the information to set you up or how do you get started.
There are great instructions on how to assemble it. You can get Fusion 360 for free for CAD/CAM and you use their Fire Control on your computer to operate the Pro or XR. I think the answer to your question is yes. Check out some of my other videos to see what I mean. Good luck. Code NTDRacing will get you a discount.
th-cam.com/video/tj8a0xNrOHw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lUSEh-5S5G7jOsJ_
th-cam.com/video/7OouTZ0DVrw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bKnV8NvnkxmtwtzD
What are the voltages of all these equipment
Both of the tables take normal 120 to move the torch around. There are a few compatible plasma cutters that will use 120, but most require 230.
Fusion is really weird and with the different tables and plasmas your settings aren’t going to to work the same across. If someone’s worried about visual details then there is definitely some 30k machines out there for them. I made a couple family signs on my pro and it’s not perfect but nothing a grinder and some paint won’t fix
Bullshit. There is nothing wrong with trying to get your cuts looking as good as possible on this machine. There is nothing magic thats going to happen with a 30K machine. The lead ins on those first parts was terrible.
Are you selling your pro?
Do need wifi then transfer files to the xr computer. Is there a usb port?
There is a usb port. I just like to use wifi or I just use my laptop to run the fire control. Many options. BTW…Code NTDRacing will get you $100 off. Thanks for watching.
@@ntdracing if you did it again just starting off would you still get the pro first then xr or just skip to the xr. I have no experience with cad or tables.
@@Exnihil0123 it depends on what you need it to do. There is no real difference in cut quality. Both are great. For me it would be the XR. I have to cut trailing arms that are 5 ft long. I have a video about index cutting with the pro, but it is tricky. The XR makes that easy. I like to store metal on the table. I always have 3 sizes ready on the table. I still use my laptop to cut, so the computer was not needed. Hope this helps.
Maybe a smaller tip
The cuts do not look exactly the same. The Pro cuts do not have pierce marks in them and the XR cuts do have pierce marks. I'm sure this is a settings issue, but they are not the same.
No price that i saw are you going to tell me or not
Check out minute 21 near the end of the video. About $4200 for the Pro with the Razorweld 45 delivered and $8200 for the XR. Code NTDRacing should save you $100.
Can cutting stainlesssteel
Yes
@@ntdracing thaks for replay.retail price for abroad.
The nick doesn't look good for me.
Yes, the “N’ sucked