Why Feminists Actually Fear The Decline Of Men In Colleges
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Men are dropping out of college at record rates according to statistics. Why are men dropping out of college? What does this mean for modern masculinity? Why is this a crisis for the dating market? How are women hurt by there being fewer men with college degrees?
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If my son went to college rather than got a job I’d disown him
@@ransakreject5221 So if he wanted to study something that interested him and pursue its mastery, you'd disown him? Thinking in absolutes is what happens when people don't get experience OR an education.
@unba nnble And thats how mass shooters are created.
@@Ivan-ud1gr I think he meant that his kid gonna be brainwashed after the college thats why disown him.
My mom cried when I told here I started driving a truck, said "what am I going to tell my friends my sons a damn truck driver" now im making 6 figs she says I always supported you... f outta here.
Why the hell have I heard this story a bunch of times from my own friend's older brothers and cousins? Literally when they decided to f out of higher education and pursue a blue collar job that earns more and their parents throw fits.
This is another pill, just because is your blood does not means have your best interests in mind...
Until Tesla AI supplants you by 2030.
Im going through detachment from my family...and the realization that theyve really only been trying to use me to assist them....rather than help me. It fucking hurts...but theres a relief knowing i can move forward hopefully and not look back. While i had siblings who were supported ...or flat given things....im fighting...but that means i can walk away at least.
It’s simple. The colleges have done a great job on marketing to the appearance of the elite. The prestige and status of “college” is what makes people want it. Women are more tied to status than men are. It’s not surprising. Until college looses its fake status is when u will see these women drop any idea of it. Unless they are individuals who are pursuing a specific degree.
Men figured out college is a joke.
A joke and a shakedown.
💯
Has become a joke.
Now not only anyone can go into college, but the course are filled with woke and DIE stuff, so simply an utter waste of time.
Fn expensive too
It’s a racket
College is a racket. I failed a class, when I retook the class I had to buy the "new" textbook for nearly $200 and the only difference was the chapters were moved around.
Men are not attending college because it has become an indoctrinating financially burdensome scam.....Women have yet to figure this out. Guess men are always ahead of the curve in regards to these things.
Look at who the author was. A college professor, probably your actual professor, who mandates that you buy the book. Tons of used college bookstores sell used books but the author doesn't get any money if you buy the book used.
BOTTOMLINE.....The NON-TAXED Educational/Industrial Complex is a RIP-OFF!!! They are about collecting YOUR tuition MONEY for OVER-PRICED USELESS SERVICES WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY or GUARANTEE!!!
But after the class is over you can sell it back for $8. Almost a Whopper meal.
@@natehill8069 Consumer culture.
When the only message they hear constantly is that they are predators, why would men want to be around people who constantly portray themselves as victims?
Also Mothers telling their sons 'they are special' in an invalid attempt to 'raise their self-esteem', Bitch, that will only lower it, because sons are not stupid and can read the minds/intentions of the receiver. If ya really wanted to 'raise our self esteem', give us a rubix cube, or get us to help out at the sweat shop, or hire a personal trainer, we know our mother loves us, base on how much she can step away.
"Men trying to live simple trouble free lives, women most affected"
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that lol
lmao fr
Ikr what a beta way of thinking
whats up with the hate towards women in this section?
@@connorstutsman8011 what did you find hateful? We are simply pointing out the flawed thinking
Then: "Men dominating college. Women suffering."
Now: "Men dropping out of college. Women suffering."
Get outta here.
It’s a fuckin meme dude. It’s all a big joke.
“We have to end the wage gap!”
“There is not enough economically attractive men!”
It’s all a big ole joke. They ruined society because a bunch of neurotic women bitched moaned and whined about a bunch of stuff they didn’t even want in the end. Ridiculous.
muhahaha
@@GGg-sr3ph General George S Patton, "We fought the wrong enemy"
women wake up and decide to suffer lmao
Lol, my hero!
In Finland (my home country) was done a research where they found a bias against boys in school. When exams were reviewed anonymously girls’ scores got worse and boys’ scores got better. Here you have to know that in Finland we pay nothing for our education (except some materials; books, computers etc.) Diploma from past studies (and in some cases entrance exams) determines to which school one is able to get in later in life. They even recently changed the system in a way that diplomas now has a lot bigger emphasis than ever before. Speaking about structural inequality. Also men has mandatory military service which will pretty much always put them one year behind on their careers. Also women are allowed to voluntarily participate to the military service in the name of equality. They even have an option to drop out during the first three months if they don’t like it there.
Here in Hungary in junior primary school boys would consistently get scores 1-2 (1 is failure, the lowest score) girls consistently got 3-4-5s (the top half). I could read since I can remember and was still graded poorly because I have a benis.
do trans men have to do military service? Or does the government acknowledge they'll always be women?
Yes indeed grade school especially for the little kids is effeminate, the teachers are over 80% female, and of course the boys are treated as if they are “wrong”. So it’s no wonder that the boys are noisier, more disruptive, and less studious. But some of the girls are already quite bitchy at that age. I was a male parochial school teacher for 2 years. The weirdest part of the job perhaps was getting drunk with the nuns over at the convent. I could drain half a bottle of scotch while they concentrated on their bad homemade wine. But then I was a Whiskeypalian, not a Roman Catholic.
Nordic countries always seem top lists over "best x" "happiest" behind the curtain is pills, OD/suicide, crazy feminists, a system that says we are the best with strong state support. Glad i never went there as some of my fellow imbecile countrymen(Turkey) did.
Brazil has a mixed system. There are lots of private universities but all top universities are public and free, with the most difficult entrance exams (because of the number of candidates)
On the other hand, wokeness is bigger in public universities
Imagine the majority of men teaming up to walk away from society. Refusing to work or support anyone. It would all change overnight.
You kinda already see this happening organically
"Refusing to work" in capitalism just means you starve to death or leech off of someone else. Refusal to participate is not a productive way to change your circumstances.
@@knightheaven8992 No longer kinda sorta but actually ...
The main issue there is that civilization is build on family units. Without family, there is no civilization.
How? Your taxes will pay for all of society’s needs.
Women are the most powerful voting block and they’ll just increase taxes. We’ll be Sweden level of 90% taxes where the state does everything for you.
I am 66 year old and just returned to college to complete my degree. The overwhelming narrative against men and how women are portrayed as victims of men combined with gender identify focus in every course makes me uncomfortable. If I were a male I would be looking for anyway to avoid a university setting.
how come women always come to their senses when they are old and no longer of value?
Thanks for your support, it gives me hope for the next generation of women. :)
@@spiritofalaska Don’t say that. Women have value far beyond sex and sex appeal. You don’t have to become an idiot to be opposed to woke bullshit.
@@spiritofalaska I'm pretty sure she always had her senses.
@@spiritofalaska- It because they can no longer rely on a man’s wallet. They actually have to take accountability and responsibility for themselves. They are no longer as desirable as they once were. Therefore they cannot just use men and discard them.
I'm a mechanic specializing in rotating equipment, making 130k+ a year with expenses payed for single no kids 41 years old , And all i have is High school diploma .
Oops Wrong post!
I wish I had chosen the occupational HS back then. I thought about it but chose the regular HS as it seemed to leave more options open in edu, but it didn't.
And a 5 year head start without debt
You make things that spin? General Electric is that you?
U don’t need college to be educated
The reason is simple. There is no incentives for young men to put themselves through college today. Guys used to finish college in hopes of getting the salary job, and the big house and car in order to support a family. Now, most men realize that they will never be able to start a family, so why bother pulling yourself through 4 years when I can drive a floor zamboni at the local mall and make enough to live comfortably by myself?
Not to mention the enormous risk marriage has become; you could literally lose EVERYTHING, your kids, the family, the house and possessions because of some short lived infatuation or emotion she has.
@@christoph3187I think alot of women just don't realize how much that means to us. Like yes I don't want to lose the little money I do have, after working 10 years at 40k a year hard labor to have this small amount saved. So yes, the idea of being able to lose half of it is of utmost importance.
@@adamgriffith768 You can get a prenup for anything you earned/saved/bought/etc prior to the marriage. I don't understand the fear mongering around the whole divorce thing.
That's It!! If there is no motivation, as there's no marry material out there, consecuently there's no challenge that's payed off. If there is no family to support, single men need way less resources to be survive and be happy. It could have serious implications in the future, as may be a GDP regression.
@@antonioalonso2986 As individuals, we have no obligations to "help" society or worry about it's future. Yourself comes first. Everything else? It is what it is.
when I was in college, I had to take a sociology class. It was lame. The professor was an older lesbian lady who literally hit on the girls (subtly) in class and would compliment them in cringy ways and belittle the men who didn't conform with her opinions. The class was also just that: opinions. Sociology is NOT a science, and that kind of sums up that part of my college experience.
That is interesting. My Sociology professor back in the 90's was also a lesbian. She made vile comments about men along with the usual marxist idiocy that this "science" is composed of.
Lesbo Sociology prof are like the dregs of humanity 😂
Would it be accurate to say the subject matter of sociology is covered better by, say, industrial psychology?
@@UmarWazir history, economics, philosophy... there you go, they cover the same stuff but much more in depth. Sociology it's just a mishmash of stuff.
@@UmarWazir psychology doesn't really work at all because it's inside an individual's mind. sociology is more of a study of how people are and outwardly so. in that regard sociology and psychology only overlap in a very small way.
Women: "there are no good men."
Guy: "plumbers need girlfriends"
Women: "i wont date a plumber!"
Guy: "it was good enough for princess Peach."
Women: "she's a fictional character"
Guy: "so are the men u r looking for"
Women: *bans guy from conversation.
:D
God of TWINKIES. That is so perfect!!!!!
That was excellent thank you for sharing
ROFL - Well said :-)
The sad thing is that a plumber (or especially truck drivers now) is wealthier than most college grads. They lack the debt and oftentimes make more each year. They just lack the social prestige because it is a job where the guy actual does labor. The Weet has gone full retard on social priority.
Plumbers make a ton of money. It's a pity that young people today pass up trade programs. The U.S. needs more qualified electricians, plumbers, etc.
There was an article in the Guardian written by a successful lady who was complaining about the lack of men of a higher socio-economic level, she argued 'why should I have lower my standards and DATE DOWN' what made me laugh, at no point did it enter her head, that the man she wants, using her standards would be 'DATING DOWN' in this world of equality why would a man want a women of a lower socioeconomic level?
The beginnings of Isaiah 4:1
Kate Bolick, many years ago now, wrote an infamous article, entitled 'Who Me Marry?,' where she comes as utterly immature and naive about men-female dating standards.
Bet you she was in her late 30s why would any man want that when a man any man with a job can find a women in her early 20s.
So why should any man lower their standards for a feminist 🤔
Double-standards abound.
Why woulda man want a women of a lower socioeconomic level? So he can play the man in the relationship.
Now let’s play the other side. Why would a woman want a man of higher socioeconomic status? So she can play the woman in the relationship.
Any questions?
Putting it bluntly, about why men aren't going to college anymore;
Why would you willingly worship at a temple that sees you as anathema to its faith and world-view?
have you ever thought that its antimale on purpose, so men lose all the powerful positions in society and women gain them? you need uni education to get to all deciding positions in governance.
@Redmanticore
That is the intention behind some of it. In the same way the intention of marxism is to create a propertyless utopia.
The result will not be what they intended, because 2nd degree planning is beyond these people.
@@Redmanticore Yup. Too obvious that is intentional. And we already have a gynocentric society... But a matriarchal society is fated to collapse. Emotional creatures CANNOT be fair. It is antithetical to their nature. I experience this every day with 3 female bosses. They are not that incompetent, but they make work uncomfortable and needlessly hard.
Nicely stated.
@@Redmanticore Maybe most people don't want to be politicians.
I abandoned university for trade school. Now I’m a licensed electrician and making more money than most 4-year entry level graduates. The trades tend to attract men more than women because they are more physically demanding. Couple that with the decline of tradesmen as the older generation retires, which leaves a large gap in the workforce, and the state of the economy, careers in the trades can be quite attractive to men who simply want to provide for their families. Best decision I ever made.
No AI removing electricians and plumbers and huge demand. It will always be a demand. In economy crash too.
I envy you, sir. I will hopefully be graduating in a few months and this is exactly what I am going to do. I wasted three years of my life and thousands of dollars on Office admin😢
That is the road I am going to walk down. Leaving the dried, lifeless field of academia for good. Sick and tired of people essentially popping out of a decaying diseased bush just to screech out their stress. The overly decorated wastes of paper I've received are either just going to collect dust or someday serve as kindling.
Only lesson that has stuck with me over the years is that if you are going to be treated poorly, regardless of whether or not you keep to yourself, you might as well just walk away. Such a waste of resources only to learn something that honestly should've been obvious...
Its not just that they are more physically demanding, but its also field that deals with things. And you get this sense of satisfaction of a job well done when its complete after all the hard work you put in, unlike most office jobs.
I'm also an electrician, fixing things is infinitely more peaceful than fixing people. I feel nothing but pity for the white collar folks answering work emails at 10pm on a Saturday.
More and more TH-cam channels gets comments like "I learn more from you than I did in high school/college." Shows just how unaccommodating to learning school has become in recent years.
That is what happens when they teach an agenda instead of skills.
TBYS summed it up best. On the internet, you can try out a course from a teacher. If you don’t like them, you can go get taught by someone else. You can learn about neural networks from some random graduate student, or you can learn it from Geoffrey Hinton. You can learn psych from some ditzy adjunct, or Jordan Peterson. So on.
I notice teachers really struggling on quiz TV shows. Wondering how teachers on quiz TV shows got a job at school. In my country, last summer, broken new record number of school pupils have achieved top grades but we in pandemic, how student "achieve" that? I think it because students watch TH-cam and other social media lots more in lockdown.
My man, I have had TH-cam videos shown to me in classes that cost about $150 per day. I remember vividly, shaking my head slowly in disbelief at what was happening.
Or how bite-sized morsels of "wisdom" on TH-cam are mistaken by the rubes as education. Not. Even. Close.
Men are better at cost/benefit analysis. They see better opportunities in the trades. Give it 10 years and women will be complaining about the societal expectation to go to college.
Women will be complaining that the men in trades make more money then them with a college degree. The problem being most of them get degrees in the humanities, which really contribute nothing to society.
@domicile ubiquitis And a lot of us skilled tradesmen have dropped out until we're treated better.
You only get the world that you are living on currently, ruled by men from the beginning. Enjoy it
@@williamwilson4642 Ya, the humanities contribute nothing to society. writing is worthless, when is the last time you read something? Of course, we all know art is pointless too, I don’t know about you, but I’ve never watched a movie or listened to music. And journalism is pretty stupid too, we don’t need somebody telling us what’s going on in the world, certainly not a TH-cam video telling us “Record Men Are Dropping Out of College (and it’s terrible for women)”. And don’t get me started on why history is the dumbest of them all, I'm sure we aren’t doomed to repeat past mistakes if we don’t learn from history.
Obviously I am being sarcastic. I do agree though that trades are usually more lucrative for most people. But keep in mind, most degrees coming out of college are business and medical degrees.
@@shoulung TL;DR
I worked for an oil and mineral exploration company and had a coworker who only had a high school diploma but was making several hundred dollars a day for many years. We tended not to shave letting our beards grow out of control due to the hours and conditions of work. We went to an upscale restaurant with a patio. He sat down to eat in the patio while we went to the bathroom. While waiting a well-dressed woman walked up to him as he was reading the menu and handed him a twenty-dollar bill for his meal due to him looking homeless. The man owns three houses (paid off) and was complaining to us that he doesn't want to go through the hassle of furnishing them. He took the twenty-dollar bill and laughed.
If he'd said something and she'd heard, she probably would've called the police to arrest him for theft.
>> upscale restaurant with a patio [...] handed him a twenty-dollar bill for his meal due to him looking homeless
I am a university prof, married 21 years to a firefighter. I am more educated but he is my intellectual equal. Education and IQ are not the same thing. Hell, my colleagues are so dumb sometimes, I want to leave my job.
Education and IQ pale when compared to common sense.
If and when the electrical power is turned off, three-quarters of mankind will be dead in six months.
if you were a real university prof woman, you would be ecstatic that women are finally getting all university positions and by that all government positions. that slowly women gain all powerful elite positions in society and men lose them. you would think that is based.
THANK YOU! I'm glad someone brought real world evidence to the "education =/= intelligence" topic.
Awesome
I busted my ass trying to honor my parents wishes to graduate college. I managed to graduate debt free but undeniably my time would have been better spent learning a trade. Plumbers are out there making as much as doctors rn without all the legal liability. Best part is for trade guys is that you're making bank while the rest of society look down on tradesmen as being poor.
just don't pick a trade that will break your body by the time you can retire. there's always a trade off
I come from blue collar workers and tradesman - this is not a shot at tradesmen. Universities are where policy makers are from. If you are drawing from a singular pool you will eventually have no male representation in society so it goes beyond annual income.
@@cx2900 Exactly. If you're a carpenter or a plumber you don't want to be working too much past the age of 40 or you're going to want to be very selective about the kind of work that you take on. I knew one project manager who had been a carpenter whose knee now moved left / right as well as front / back. I've spent the last 10 years working construction with a herniated disc in my spine. Most people would try to get signed off with that or retrain for another job. That's to say nothing of the tendonitis / hearing loss / constant breathing in silica dust / carpenters missing fingers / carpal tunnel syndrome e.t.c. e.t.c. e.t.c. I'm a construction guy and I'm tired of University graduates bitching about how much construction guys make when they spend their whole day breathing fresh air and haven't a single scar on their body and work for employers who provide pensions and superannuation rather than being self employed and entirely responsible for their own tax, pension, e.t.c. e.t.c.
@@andrewmalcolm79 This is off-topic, but you might find help to your disc problem from alexander technique. Personally it's been great for getting myself back to healthy functioning without pain.
@@andrewmalcolm79 Jesus christ man. I had an interest in learning carpentry as a hobby and part time stuff. All that shit doesn't sound worth it.
My son did electronics engineering and had one female on the course. They took her and used her in all the advertising and gave her all the support. She failed all the exams and her image is still being used to advertise the engineering course. The men were almost ignored.
Happens in other engineering subjects, 99% male dominated (the men chose to do it, women don't), so they take 50% the funding and spend it on women, the women still don't like it and drop out. This leaves the 99% of men that will work in the field with 50% the resources. Then the same happens in the workforce, positive discrimination ensures the men that worked harder with less support lose out to female candidates. If this is 'equality' you can keep it, I prefer a meritocracy.
I've noticed this form of manipulative advertising, it's dehumanizing to men. All the female faces & conspicuous lack or male ones sicken me.
Yoooooooo, that is just messed man... :0
@@andys149 Reverse discrimination!
@@jesseostone386 No. It's just discrimination.
University is no longer a “higher” education. Why is a degree in “Women’s Studies” higher than carpentry, plumbing and electrician training? We have to modernize our language around this issue.
I only have a GED and make over 110k doing what I love to do. Diver
@peanutnukle damn, I hear divers make bank from hazard pay, especially underwater welders.
It's not. Carpentry, plumbing, and electricians are paid far more than women's studies. Outside of being an activist or a women's studies professor, there's nothing you can do with that degree.
I think you underestimate the media’s ability to suppress and devalue information they think is counter to their narrative.
The media is dying by the day and so are the boomers that give them power.
As an art student in 2000's, there were 50-50 distribution in students.
Coming back as a teacher in 2015 male students were SO HAPPY to see a male teacher and they LOVED being taught something without feminist blame (i taught philosophy).
Apparently the whole toxic feminist narrative had taken over the curriculum in art school.
I teach in a Business School in Mainland China. 90% of my students are female and I am the only male member of faculty in the department. Both men and women are happy to be taught by male teachers. My classes are oversubscribed.
I would imagine that right now women are getting together in their little groups to collect passing comments to which they can manufacture offence and then make concerted complaints about your "predatory, misoginistic" behavior which will force you to resign.
Good for you
Art schools fell in the 80s
As a professor, in what way do you think this has affected academia? If positive why? If Negative why?
College is 49% busywork, 49% unnecessary details (that you will forget the day after rhe exam), and 2% knowledge
Y’know, pretty accurate
Says someone who didn't go to college.
I agree.
@@SamSung-nf6tr honestly though at the very least, half of all classes you are forced to take is not relevant to your degree. honestly i didnt learn anything new from "post high school classes" that colleges force you to take for $$.
and even some supposed core classes are bullshit
@@gggggg3912
Knowledge = power.
You may think you didn't learn anything useful now, maybe you didn't if you didn't apply yourself b but knowledge is never wasted. One sentence, a fact in conversation can land you your dream job or make you look like a fool in a room of educated people.
They have channels dedicated to knowledge like the history channel. The problem today is the cost of universities.
It's outrageous. Instead of dealing with monopolies of higher education & loans at 21% the admin threw money at the loans which didn't solve or address the problems.
Free community college is not a fix. It sounds good. Most classes are not transferable to universities, therefore the time & cost of going to a community college then a 4 yr college is actually higher.
I'm a LEO, doing my best to be the kind of cop you're happy to see arrive when it goes wrong. I didnt go to university. I don't need the validation and called BS on it early on.
My 2 best friends both studied engineering, got a 2:1 grade.
I make decent money, not the kind you see online but slightly more than most my age.
One of my buddies makes the same as me in IT, the other makes minimum wage at a warehouse.
Didn't help them or hinder me at all. They should, theoretically, make much more than I do.
It's frankly offensive that they got into debt for no real roi
I'm a high school teacher in Canada and a contract lecturer at a university. For years, we've churned out massive numbers with degrees who cannot find jobs because of market saturation. This has led to a shortage in the skilled trades, which require less schooling and pay much better than an entry level degree job. Men are more likely to choose skilled trades. It's more practical than political.
Also I know lots of male college graduates who end up in the trades. I even paid to go to truck driving school after one particularly unbearable teaching job. Also joined the navy, shipped out with the merchant marine and went to barber college. Anything to escape from the miserable female teachers.
joblessness for university grads is not due to market saturation alone. Another contributing factor is the university degree does not provide the graduate with a marketable skill for the economic environment. The exceptions being professional programs such as medicine, nursing, law school, etc.
Lack of a marketable skill with the accompanying economic burden of student loans is a financial burden to both the student and society (ie: inability of the cohort to consume market products and/or pay taxes)
In addition, the old argument that a university will teach a student "how to think" is no longer applicable. As can be demonstrated by the far left ideologic culture on so many campuses, students are now told "what to think". The current model of university education does not provide value to the student or society and should be revamped.
I've talked to young men who went to college and they feel vilified by the institutions most of them dropped out after a semester or two. Said there was only room for one ideology on college campus.
Its almost like one of the two political ideologies in America telling its people to avoid liberal arts and 'get a real degree' and don't go into academia for 5 decades had entirely predictable consequences.
It’s suffocating. As a Republican it’s such a nightmare 🤦♂️. And I’m gay. I couldn’t imagine how suffocating it would be to be straight and Republican on a college campus. And I’m in a stem major so we have LESS wokery but still some seeps in. Whenever I’ve had to do gen Ed classes it’s hella woke. Like the English teacher who made us read a bunch of literature about how trump was a cheeto hitler. Or the psychology teacher who went on feminist rants 🙄. Or the philosophy teacher who got mad at me for saying “America doesn’t have an obligation to feed the starving world with our food if we don’t want to since they didn’t make it”. 🤦♂️. Just in general the amount of socialism everywhere is insane. And as an architect I’m constantly hearing about equity and the need to build “equitable” spaces and how we need to stop car centric development 😒. I see why so many men quit is the point I’m trying to make. I at least at gay and questionably Latinx (since I’m white). What are the conservative straight white cis men to do?
@@LucasFernandez-fk8se I was with you until you said "Latinx" 🙄🙄🙄
@@LucasFernandez-fk8seno republican says latinx
@@beejcarson😂 theyre right
"Men going broke, lacking education opportunities, ending up homeless and suicidal. Women most affected"
"Meteor hits Pluto, women most affected."
You aren’t the only one who is confused. I have three boy, and I was really expecting a productive conversation here. Instead I get a rant about how women are too educated, and won’t “date down.”
@@brandy4530 It is a fact that women tend to not marry down, the more educated the more they tend to "climb".Plenty of studies reflect this,just Google it.
Same for dating, unless it is a one night stand.
It is not "ranting" ,just reality.
It's because of political correctness: if you suggest any change to the situation that could affect women negatively, then such change would be unacceptable. So you have to first find an angle to frame the situation as bad for women, then argue for some change.
@brandy4530
OK, 4 the wonderful "Dr Candy" u had to be a big guy who got his PhD. before 30.
I don't see much complaining.
I got an engineering degree, almost went to machining trade school like my buddy.
When i graduated my community college engineering transfer program and started at the state school, he was done with trade school making bank.
By the time I graduated engineering and was making 60k starting he was well into 6 figures. Got himself into running building size large form factor CNC machines.
He chose the right path.
I'm super happy for him, kicking butt, making bank.
And that degree path is straight suffering through and through. Definitely not worth it unless it’s actually your passion
The thing is that even if people with college degrees tend to earn more overall than trade school the fact that people in trade school can start working 2-3 years earlier than their peers in college means that they can start building experience, wealth and deep knowledge (the kind of knowledge you only get through practice like work or personal projects) earlier.
What this means is that if you account for that, then on average, the pay tends to be quite similar for both of them, and that people in trades can start investing earlier if they so wish to which is important to consider in the case of compound interest, 401k etc. Also you just get to focus and learn about the things you like or somewhat enjoy.
Can't you still do machining even with the engineering degree? Because you still gotta talk to the machinists on the lathes to make better machines in CAD or whatever?
@@Warsie you need to know the specific skills to do these jobs. It just follows that you’re certainly capable of learning those simpler skills if you learned all the complicated physics and math behind how the machines function. An aerospace engineering graduate still needs to learn the yoke and rudder and have flying hours to be a pilot
I think this coincides with the stats showing young men are leaning conservative. College told men they were the problem...so men are leaving.
In the end, only people who intend to build a career doing hard intellectual work should be going to college anyway. So many of the degrees are easy and pointless.
Historically, men create the paths ("trailblazers") and women start following the path when it becomes more convenient or more widely accepted as the norm. Young men are merely the first to see the failure of colleges, and abandon ship - young women will undoubtedly follow if the trend continues.
That, as well as the fact that the modern education system just isn’t suited for men. I’ve never met a single dude in my life who’s ever been satisfied with school after 8th grade. 4.0 gpa, or 2.0 gpa, it’s just not fulfilling at all for us.
Men will find the next frontier (whatever that is) and then the girls will come chasing and demand representation 🙄
@@rohroh6256 good news the girls will be your boss, so they can take credit for your work just like men do now.
I think the video explained that women will not abandon college - ladies are not as adventurous as men. Entrepreneurs will continue to shirk college (Bill Gates etc) but women are moving into that space more and more and more, driven by jealousy for the status of the degree, rather than the economic value of the degree.
When you consider the jobs they get after, it becomes quite clear those industries will adjust to accommodate more degrees. But.... ironically, nothing will actually improve for the women taking this path. They are simply accruing debt and wasting time, and they could have been designing swimwear or running a cafe or something instead.
It won’t end the way they think it will. I’ve heard you need a masters to drive a garbage truck in the Philippines... it’s insane. More degrees doesn’t make society better.
You're absolutely right.
I did a manufacturing engineering degree at Uni and it was a quality course. However, the idea that anyone with a liberal arts degree is more "educated" than a man with a skilled trade is laughable.
a teamsters union card carries more value than a liberal arts degree.
Being able to " find the area under a curve", doesn't allow you to get "move curves". Trades.. . The way to achieve freedom.
But they run a jaw
But, ironically, the teamsters union has also played a significant role in pushing the politicians that pushed the policies that pushed academia into the toilet. @@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider
I agree with you. No kidding.
Sincerely,
An English major.
Imagine claiming to be an equity movement while simultaneously being more concerned about your narrative being threatened by reality.
Why waste the money and time when there is a raging bias against men by colleges and employers?
20th century: men doing the ROI on college education and realising that it's positive.
21st century: men doing the ROI on college education and realising that it's negative.
Perfect.
I think much of reason men are eschewing college is the cost, the toxic ideology and the fact that even with nearly two girls for every guy the college politics make dating too difficult.
A lot of guys want nothing to do with woke women , feminists or any of that and with the risk of a life ruining false accusation high , the only way to win is not to play. As such it is exactly as Gerhard says, fails the cost benefit analysis .
Long term, well the effects are going to be interesting , college women will effectively be sterilized as they can't find mates and as noted won't marry less educated men, the quality of education will decline as seats are filled for ideological reasons and the competitiveness of the West will decline in high tech arenas.
Most people weren't going to college and blue collar /working class men and women will keep on keeping on. However I must disagree with our hosts, the guys that do get into college other than on athletics scholarships won't be the type of guys actually attractive to women being selected for traits that do not lend themselves to mating and dating.
I went to school to learn not be called a rapist/racist.
@@simonacerton3478 I recently watched a YT video on Yale students berating the Dean of their college for some Halloween Costume email which his wife had written. I have never before seen such a flagrant display of disrespect since Germany invaded the Sudetenland in the 1930s.
100% agree. Went to college have a STEM degree complete waste of my time. I would of been just as well off learning a trade.
Simple as
I'm a male with two Master's degrees and 3 bachelor's degrees and I'm here to tell you, sooner or later women have to recognize that educational acheivement doesn't determine the worth of the man nor whether he'll be good to you. I have friends that are working class males that are good to their families and on almost every standard a better human than I am. They don't teach Better Human 101 in colleges.
European? Only way to afford all those gajillion degrees, not to mention most employers would view that many degrees as a red flag.
And in Europe, I don't think having a degree is the status symbol it is in the US, not to mention most European countries pay quite a bit less for most degreed positions.
Oh but they do. It’s called DEI! 😂
@@MajesticFerret I had two Bachelor's and the better part of a Master's by the time I retired out of the military. Tuition Assistance covers all undergraduate courses.
My first question is why? It's not a criticism, I did an engineering degree, did very well and work as an engineer. But the idea of having done a degree and then another, and another?
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy learning and there are not too many days when I don't learn something useful. But I also forget all the stuff I'm not using too - and you really can't use all the knowledge you've gained directly - only indirectly in as much as it allows you to take the next step.
@@grahamjacob97 He got them while serving in the military since he can get military financial assistance to pay for all the classes - and not have mountains of student loan debt later.
2024 viewer here.
It is funny how colleges don't see why young men are leaving. #1 It is too expensive. #2 You aren't guaranteed a job out of college any longer. #3 Bachelor Degrees are too common, you need a Masters Degree now to stand out from the rest of the field during the hiring process. #4 The Education system sucks regardless. #5 You have to pay the first 2 years of college learning nothing that pertains to the degree you are working towards, which proves that High School is corrupt as it stand as you had to take core classes back then without an idea of what you wanted to do most of the time. #6 Most young people don't know what the hell to do with themselves after High School and a good sum of those either don't go to college immediately and delay it, attend and then drop out midway or just don't go altogether. #7 Male discrimination. #8 Woke teachers. #9 No courses worth taking at a college instead trade school have actual courses that will lead to immediate work after finishing.
I worked the same job, same rank, same paycheck with college graduates at a warehouse. The social and economic value of a college degree dropped significantly in the last 5 years.
I work in a University in the UK where 64% of the students/graduates are women. Despite this there are University-wide programmes to get more women into STEM, engineering bursaries for women only, and a pervasive narrative that women are still fighting for 'equality'. In subjects where the cohort is approximately 80% women (Primary education for example), there are no comparable incentives to get more men to pursue these degrees (at least not in my University). This is not an accident. It's a by-product of institutional capture.
Its not a surprise. At no point in history, ever, have men been, or needed to be, pushed or incentivised to do anything. Even in the extreme case of warfare with a draft men aren't "encouraged", they're commanded or demonised for NOT doing it where they've even had a choice.
What we're seeing these days is the first instances of men being outright demonised at a societal level spurred on by the feminist lie that men were ever held up by and large. So no wonder men are just refusing to do anything other than the bare minimum to survive in society, and we'll all suffer for it sadly.
Exactly the same here in New Zealand universities, students and staff are 60% women but still there new programs for promoting women. In a recent report on the wage gap it was stated the reason the physiology department had a 80% women staff was because of personal preferences but in another part of the same report 75% men staff in the engineering school was due historical discrimination. It's a psychosis that can't even be broken by facts.
Honestly being in a law degree even have more women than men. There is me and two more dudes in a seminar of 12. 9 chicks and only 3 or 2 guys in a group. Tf has the world gone. 😂
There's never been a patriarchy in recent history, it's ALWAYS been a matriarchy. It's the only thing that explains the immense bias women have in our world. Every single thing caters to women and often at the expense of Men. Think marriage, alimony, child custody, only Men get drafted to fight wars, then think of all the societal etiquette when you're out and about; Be a gentleman and give up your bus seat for the lady, Men must always pay for dinner, Men must always pay for any date, Men must slave work 50 hours a week to support a women who watches TV most of the day, Men's issues are laughed at and the Man is mocked whereas Women's issues are fervently looked after. There's 100 more examples but you get the point, we live in a female bias world OBVIOUSLY. So we live in a Matriarchal society.
@@adammada511 The hand that rocks the cradle trains the world.
As a guy in college I’ve realized something. My peers who are male and not in college are already employed and doing well for themselves, not in debt. I’m grateful to not be in debt because I work a lot but I’ve realized that many men don’t want to go through that bull just to get a degree for a job that pays less than a job without a degree requirement. Some of my friends went to mechanic schools, welding, real estate and are already making six figures at 22. Most college degrees are completely worthless in the grand scheme of things.
Okay... so if you don't know what you want to do... Get your generals outta the way at a community college. Then, go to trade school, earn the buckos, and then , if you want later on down the road, go back and get a degree (if you want) in a field that you desire to expand your learning in (or just sign up for the Massive Online Open-enrollment Courses or MOOCs that are offered from Stanford, Cornell, SCU , and the like). I agree one should not just head into a university if they have zero idea of what they want to do , unless they have a plan for how to get out of that debt in 5 to 7 years.
Weeb
Going to start a welding training course in like two weeks, literally smartest choice I've ever made.
Congrats, those are the outliers
Lol I'm 22 and real estate agent in the bay area. My mom has been in the business for 20 years and I got my license at 19. I was super shy and it took me 3 years to finally understand how to talk to people but once it clicked I turned into a phenom (key is to not care what others think about you). Made 6 figures this year and plan on touring Europe next summer if covid nots a thing. I also go to community college and transfer to my local state school next year for a mis degree. I'm also learning python and I'm really interested in Ai and how I incorporate it into real estate.
......but if a man gets a Master's and applies for a job, the (usually female) gatekeeper will say that he's "overqualified".
Most Masters degrees are a minimum of two years and usually requires prior real life experience where you have to show how you can apply the knowledge from your Bachelor’s, however these days so many universities are so desperate for students that they will just accept you for your fees. It usually an “honours” or “cum laude” that is the extra year on top of your bachelors, but it’s still not equivalent to a masters degree.
Men are dropping out of college, and women are most affected. Says a lot about society and how men IMO are treated like second-class citizens.
“Women are most affected by war” was roughly the basis of a quote by Hillary Clinton.
If there are no men at college half the women will lose their entire reason for being there, which is to get their Mrs degree.
University is just Kindergarten for adults at this point.
Bruh someone will 100% steal your comment and put it as the title of their video xD
Imagine thinking that education is bad.
@@meijiishin5650 well, I don't know if its bad or not, but its surely looking like a business being run by incompetent managers.
@@prachetasnayse9709 Tell me you're 17 without telling me you're 17.
@@meijiishin5650 I am 27 though...
I’m gonna take a stab in the dark before watching the video and say they don’t want men to completely abandon universities so they have someone to blame for their problems.
If the goverment(s) will not take men problems seriously and encourage men to be more productive / responsible, everyone will be down bad.
Women can talk big all they want, but they will never be able to maintain infructructure and basic utilities. Never.
I attended university for a couple years in my mid-twenties. Being a few years older allowed me to have a better perspective. The whole thing felt like adult daycare. Every class was an exercise in infantilization, where the standards were equivalent to freshman year in high school. So OF COURSE I dropped out!
As a student veteran currently attending Ohio University in Athens OH, not only do men face significant negative stigma from the institution itself, but the classes we're forced to take are borderline worthless. If I need an IT degree, why do I need to learn "Black history this, womens' studies that" Its pointless. We're isolated, the women are impossible to talk to, and dropping out is looking better and better each day.
It's kind of great to get out of college and be able to read what you want eventually. I hope you stick it out though. The military is a lot kinder on people with a degree. There are some BS classes, but others will make you more well rounded.
I'm sure the institution is well aware that the vast majority of college graduates don't even work in their field.
I just finished a degree that has a practical application and I found that my abilities to do my job were limited by the constant return to social justice throughout every course. I could have used more practical knowledge to complete my work. It’s frustrating but now that I’m finished, I’ve had to teach myself as I go. Waste of money in many ways but I got the qualifications on paper so I can legally do my job.
I got an Engineering degree and didn't have to take or deal with any woke BS.
Math is math. No opinions and discussing opinions outside of math is unprofessional.
@@Cocoisagordonsetter I've since transferred to a University closer to home, it's more of a commuter college and isn't as isolated and I can already tell it is far more professional than Ohio University. I still have to take some B.S classes, but at least I'm not stuck to the university and seeing it every day.
Guys just aren't built up the same way as girls are. I don't remember a single encouraging word from a parent or elder, never mind encouraging toward post secondary. Just got thrown to the wolves in a 'figure it out, bud' type of manner, while simultaneously being jobless, on welfare and having incredibly low self esteem/thoughts of suicide. Just my own experience but some of my friends have had a similar upbringing and experience. I can't even remember the last time someone gave me any kind of compliment or encouragement, and you can't even think about higher ed when its like that. I didn't even have time to think about post secondary, frankly.
Hence the term "burden of performance," which is something women don't have to experience nearly to the same extent as men.
“Thrown to the wolves, it’s all on you bud.” That’s how we are treated true but is made me stronger. Not saying it’s right.
I was very active discouraged from studying computers by my parents - to the point of actual prohibition. And even by my hs guidance counselor. This was in the 80's before they were the cool thing. In fact, I don't think computers were very accepted by society until maybe myspace came along or around that time.
I agree that this is usually the case with men. It's assumed that men are 'independent', 'driven' and that society is set up for them to succeed. The reality is that men are churned out into the world without guidance in most cases and have to figure things out on the move.
The reason that men historically have succeeded more than women is largely because there is no other choice. No man has ever had the option to 'settle down and have a family' as a career choice as women have. As a man you have to go out into the world and make things happen - not just for a few years, but for your entire life. I don't resent this but this path does require guidance and preparation which I believe is currently lacking.
Same experience, different life. Yet we are demonised and told we have "privilege"
It's worse than the 60-40 distribution would suggest. The more elite the set of schools the bigger that gap is. Dropping SAT and focusing only on GPA at competitive schools is making it worse still.
I’m an administrator at a top 25 world university so I know what I’m talking about. Unless you are getting a STEM degree, university is a waste of time. And investing that amount of money so you can get a date is a nonstarter.
My twin brother refused to go to college, and rightfully so. He said he felt like “a pilgrim in an unholy land” and that “being forced to go to school by law until age 18 was bad enough”. Schools are just anti-male gulags, and the whole education/academic system is also anti male, so they avoid that viper’s nest.
"A pilgrim in a unholy land." Awesome, this explain perfectly what is being a man in a gynocentric society.
"My boy, we are pilgrims in an unholy land." -Henry Jones Sr.
Same here, going to college was a nightmare, and a huge waste of time/money.
They're NPC factories and indoctrination centers.
Managed to find one that focuses on skills.
Yay.
You and your twin brother are both correct.
The worse part is....
Many women feel empowered by these useless degrees that they are crushing in debt but look down their nose at blue collar men. The man could be making six figures while she's in six figures debt but she somehow thinks she's better than him. And refuses to "date down"
o so now that women can get them they are useless but before when women couldn't get an education they were necessary... try again man
and the debt thing... anyone that go in college in america regardless of their sex is probably going to be in dept .
it's not the 1 revers u think it is
@@sofypi7493 No he’s right, college degrees in general are completely useless except for a few STEM ones, and except for nursing, women always go for the useless ones like humanities and liberal arts, that’s why y’all are still stuck with 100k debt years after graduation lol
@@daboss6614 And that's why they also demand that the state should pay them the tuition fees. The state? No, the blue collar man should pay them with his taxes for their senseless and man-hostile gender studies, so that they later insult the men with their ideological unscientific gender and critical-sth. crap
The sad thing is the snobs don’t realize the blue collar jobs are WAY WAY more important than any white collar job. Take away white collar with a snap of your fingers people would go where did they go then keep moving. Blue collar society would collapse in half year. No government officials, no CEOs vs No construction workers, electricians, plumbers, farmers, ranchers, fishermen, lumberjacks.
@@sofypi7493 Majority of women take useless degrees buried in debt and can get a job there ine worki g at Starbucks as barista masters degree in gender studied hahahaha best of luck in your endeavour and even those taking stem most of them drop out i don't know why
There was a bias against men in college back in the mid to late 1970's when I attended university.
Especially in any class where women outnumbered the men.
The professors and TAs also started joining in and piling on was noticeable.
You guys nailed it. Subscribed I am!!
I started college to get a degree in computer programming. After I realized that nearly 90% of the classes they made you take had nothing to do with actual programming I left school behind. Fast forward to today, with no degree, I make well over $100k per year developing software. Meanwhile, I have "friends" who have masters degrees that try to shame me for not having a degree. This person tried to actually ridicule me for not having a degree, until I said, ok, you show me your paycheck and what you have in savings and I'll show you mine and we'll see who is doing better to test your theory that you need a degree to be successful.
This comment section is just a bunch of men slagging of women and bragging to each other… it’s like a gay bar in here.
@@hollisticbomber2660 and here you are.
In fact, you are ridiculing your 'friend' as well, because your measuring success purely from a monetary standard. If your friend has a masters degree, they had to complete a dissertation. They had to do countless research into a new (or further into an existing) topic of study. What your friend could have done, is devised a numerous number of improvements that you are either implementing yourself or using yourself. Success should not be valued by money alone. Of course, you can assume you are successful using your own social metrics, but if we are looking for a bigger picture, your friend may have added more value to the entire field of programming, than you have. I don't know either of you, so I won't assume, however I don't think shaming each other and ridiculing each other (exactly what you both are doing) is good for your 'friendship'.
@@negativebeast7685 no not ridiculing. Just responding to his asinine statement that somewhere you’re better because you stayed in school longer.
@@freedomring3022 So now your disregarding his success? And assuming your success is the only valid one in regards to your friendship? And indeed, he may be better than you in many regards, he may understand more complex ideas better than you, he may be able to develop software dedicated to providing specific solutions from equations. A defense system programmer cannot be swapped out for a html programmer. Especially because most computer courses require good mathematical and arithmetic knowledge, as well as further strengthen this - your friend may be more useful to mathematicians or scientists as he would be more able to implement more complex ideas etc. Of course, I don't know your background and your former comment only says "developing software' which doesn't tell me much.
Overall, you are right, the fact your friend stayed in school longer can indeed make him better in different areas. Take Penrose v Plumber. Penrose is a genius, spent many years in academy, devised many important theories. A plumber does not need school, does not need a degree, and he knows how water systems work etc without having to go through fluid mechanics equations. But does that mean that the plumber is better than Penrose or vise versa? Not necessarily, but in my example any reasonable person would suggest Penrose would be a 'better' person in regards to all his degrees, but maybe just an amateur plumber. But it doesn't change the fact he has extensive knowledge of a lot more subjects, ideas and topics than a plumber.
And, many of these women, when they get into the workforce, are disillusioned and unhappy with the grind and are quitting the jobs they were told they should want by feminists.
Rita Sicari- yes! Because the feminists have been lying to us from day one. Alas!
I’m surrounded by bitter women at work.
Jobs in and of themselves are unfulfilling to the psychological makeup of females. Yes, we enjoy working, but we also have other societal pieces of the pie that should be nurtured to be well-rounded, successful, peaceful individuals.
@Lisa Bell I think trades are a bit different. There is a satisfaction that comes from making/fixing/completing something that you don't get working an office/retail, etc. type job. There is usually a tangible result to a trade job, unlike many other jobs that just seem like a never ending grind.
I’m sure just as many men feel disillusioned and unhappy by what they were sold as being the masculine role of breadwinner too. Daily grind is daily grind.
Very interesting discussion. I like how you intelligently address the different facets of this topic. Subscribed!
3:34 to 3:55 this is *so* accurate to me haha! ADHD af, went nuts in college. Did well but hated it. Couldn’t wait to get out and work.
As the mother of 3 sons, I can attest to the fact that exalting girls over boys in the government schools has been the norm for 15 years now.
It happens in the middle east too. Is the middle east too woke now ?
@@selenophile5256 The middle east exalts girls over boys? Really?
@@annademo no, just that girls perform better than boys in middle school, due to earlier puberty
@@selenophile5256 middle school or middle east?
@@JohnSmith-sj2dk That's the "equality" that has been created.
I just graduated with a Law degree and it was a complete waste of 4 years. Learnt absolutely nothing and every single person was an insane political/woke/feminist tyrant.
Why don’t you pass the bar, and open up a practice to help men in a legal profession? You can help them not get savaged in divorce.
@@ganthc Too many more interesting things to pursue, but that's a good shout!
Studying IT and we doing more theory than practical smh
How you didn't learn a thing ?
@@ang3l1018 Because I very rarely turned up. Everything just ended up in my short-term memory purely for exams. I genuinely don't remember a thing now that I'm done!
I think a big part of this is men can find alternative careers, particularly in trades that allow them to have good-paying jobs without the burden of extreme educational debt. The avenue of trades-based jobs are pathways that most women are not willing to follow so they are stuck on this cycle of universities and debt.
It's harder for women to break into trades, so they avoid it entirely
@@wyleecoyotee4252 I think the reason women do not have more prevalent participation in trades is that even jobs like electricians and plumbers have elements of the job that involve physically demanding labour. I think they have equal opportunity and the potential to have equal skills but are disadvantaged in the physical aspects.
@obelisk21
They have equal opportunity for training but women aren't generally accepted in the trades. It is more physically demanding but so is nursing lifting and moving patients.
I know of female electricians but it's not the norm.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 I hear what you are saying but your example is for an environment where there are other nurses, orderlies, and even doctors who are available to assist with physically demanding tasks. HVAC techs may need to carry a furnace down steps to a basement, electricians need to carry reels of copper cable up and down steps, and plumbers may need to dig an 8 foot hole to get to a pipe leaking under a foundation of a house. These tasks are usually assigned to the apprentices and do not have much if any assistance in completing the task. The reason females aren't generally accepted in the trades in some cases, is that they require more assistance to perform these types of tasks making everyone's job more difficult. With my furnace example you could send two men to be able to change out a faulty furnace in someone's house, if one of the two people is a woman you may need to send a third person simply to carry the new furnace in and the old furnace out.
This was very very interesting.
Men dropping out of college just tells me that they are not going into debt with student loans. My dad was working class and he made more that a lot of college graduates I knew. And he had very little debt. He was also able to raise a family of six on one income because he had no debts.
That’s so true, hello 👋
Agree
Educated women do not want to date blue collar men though
@@done1961 then don’t date educated women.
Jessica Miller hello dear
Fourty years ago when I went to college, we were told you go to college to learn how to learn. Employers hired people with liberal arts degrees because these people were SMART. They read books and could learn new things. Colleges today don't mold critical thinkers, but indoctrinate their students into the professors beliefs which they reward with grades and degrees. Employers who hire these students have a difficult time training them in their jobs. You might as well hire someone off the street with no college and are eager to learn.
unfortunately, Griggs vs Duke Power (1971) screwed over employers. it should be reversed.
That sounds like a pretty weak sweeping generalization. In fact, most employers prefer people who have a a degree, outside of blue collar jobs.
which generation is doing most of this again?
@@palmereldritch_6669 Unfortunately true. I wish I could just do an apprenticeship like the old days and work under a programmer or network engineer and just learn on the job, but NOPE. Got to get that degree. Seriously though. The degree that isn't really as good as a certificate, but now companies are essentially indoctrinated to think that a degree is valuable in that regard. But then again, I'm conflicted on that even, as I see the pros and cons, but unfortunately I feel there's more cons than pros.
@@spoonman9584 That is only true for technical degrees. Liberal arts degrees have no value
Nailed it.
My plumber told he decided to learn a trade after he left the US Army. He went into a 2 year apprentiship and is now earing close to 6 figures with a long career ahead of him. He has no debt except a new car and he just goty married and has a child. He is happy and he is one heck of a plumber!
I quit college at year 3 on a 4 year. Best thing college did for me was expose the scam of education. Went back to welding work for myself.
Nice rationalization, Bro.
Unless you're doing an eng degree or plan to go to a professional school (med, law) afterwards, college is shit.
@@_Cartographer_ I mean women can use it to ride off high earning(or potentially high earning) men.
If only skilled assembly work pays well where I live.
@@_Cartographer_ theres plenty of other useful degrees that you didnt care to list.
The response of “if it is 2:1 - all you have to do is get in” proves he wasn’t listening to the previous things Chris said. Being in college isn’t enough for those women. A 5’5” guy in college doesn’t have to “just get in” and then get a choice between two women. They still ignore him
yep. It only increases the ridiculous standard of women.
All those girls are swiping on tinder looking for the dudes over 6 feet tall
Agreed, the lack of any attention to physical attraction which if anything is far more important to women at that age is considerably naïve. It also ignores the fact that it is very easy for a woman to simply date a guy from another college with a better male/female ratio. Or date a guy who already graduated.
Yet it's only men who care about looks. lol
Word!
They just want men with money for "someone to PAY FOR ME". Not worth it. Never help, never approach, never never marry.
College wasn't hostile towards men when I attended (06-10). College was sort of fun and I learned some things that made me a more well-rounded person, but a liberal arts degree was already worthless back then.
I ended up starting a business post college which has now grown pretty large. I learned the real value of hard work and way more practical business knowledge than a degree (although I do wish I majored in business). For years I've felt college is a racket and you are perfectly capable of buying and reading books, watching videos, or just trying to learn through practical experience.
I've met a lot of people with good, high paying jobs with security. My single largest investor is an electrician. If you feel college is appropriate, go for it. It really just depends on what job you're seeking. It's what you do post-college that counts.
I'm a mother of a daughter and a son. My husband and I discouraged our son from going to college (he had the brain for it, but not the temperament) and encouraged our daughter to go - but only as far as it was free for her. Even back then we knew that tens of thousands of dollars in student loans would hamper her ability to mother her children as she saw fit. We had set aside the means for both of them, but we had to be realistic. Our daughter's a female. She doesn't have the brawn to earn a decent living with labor. But our son was an athlete with the mind of an engineer.
Sure enough, the week after he graduated he had a job starting at $25 an hour as a machinist apprentice. A year later he'd found his bliss as a tower climber with a pay of $45 an hour plus overtime and a career path.
Our daughter could NEVER have had such an easy time in the trades. Her only potential was with an education. Happily, she found her bliss as a SAHM and a part time realtor to supplement her husband's income - and she didn't bring debt with her into the marriage.
And there it is. Our son could NEVER have married well and lived off his mate's salary while he maintained the home fires.
I don't think it's that men are being driven away from colleges as much as they're finding better opportunities elsewhere. The reality is that men and women are different and they have different talents to offer society.
If there really is a feminist panic about men not going to school it's only because this puts men out of reach of the emotional manipulation and brainwashing.
Your daughter didn't go into the right field. Nursing pays 100k, medicine, IT.
I'm a woman made 75k.
There's no feminist panic. We really don't care.
Your points about reasonably considering different paths to careers for your son and daughter are very good
@@wyleecoyotee4252yeah but are you married with children?
Or are you late 30s 40s on your own?
@@1simo93521
I've worked my entire life. Before marriage, during marriage , and after divorce. Now I'm retired with a nice work pension.
And we need more ppl in the trades, and realistically as you said this is going to be men. Too many ppl were going to college "just because", wasting 4-5 years of their life AND getting in debt when they could have made money and been that many years along in their career.
I had this moment a few years ago where I remember checking out the notice board for activities going on. I saw scholarship offers exclusively for women, celebrate women in stem, women's only activity groups (various), support women's bball etc., and safe spaces for women to talk to other women. There was not a single general activity on the board (at that time), and nothing for men. It really made me feel out of place. I only wish I had taken a picture of that board that I saw that day.
When I was at the University of Houston I saw posters for a communist organization on campus with Che Guevara on the cover of the posters, I suspect the club was real and serious.
Have it ever occurs to you that it was a woman who cared enough to start it. You could have started a bball for men too siting you don't see one for boys and would like to.
@@salometipsandtricks2786 No, men only events get taken down for discrimination. They make a big deal out of title 9 when it comes to that. This is largely true for most college campuses.
Justin Wright, sometimes I think its a plot to keep young women so busy that they don't have time to think, or to listen to their hearts. When they think a d listen to their hearts they are inclined to want to marry real capable men,, make a home for their husband, make babies with him, and stay home to raise their own family instead of putting them in government daycare. Universities seem to work really hard at trying to keep women from dropping out. I think it's a control thing.
@@salometipsandtricks2786 Any time men start something that's strictly for other men, women inevitably demand that they be included or else they'll cry "discrimination"
I grew up at a daycare where we watched ALL of the disney movies, as a young boy i saw a stong morally just male protagonist who saved the princess. But turns out the girls in daycare werent in awe of the morally just prince. They were in awe of the fuckin castle and attention.
I saw affirmative action, I saw how I was never promoted in school, everyone treated me like crap, I was medicated out of my mind and didn't want to be, I barely survived. I instinctively knew that no corporate office would ever touch me. I wasn't economically viable for corporate bureaucracy. So I didn't bother to try hard. It isn't what you know, it's who you know and no one wants to know me.
“The only guys who wins are high performing men.” If by win you mean get married, then I’d rather not win.
@Gwapa snuna To emphasize that getting married is not necessarily winning? At least 66 guys agrees with me.
They're winning in terms of sex. I doubt many of the desirable men will settle down since they have so many options.
True, winning by sex, but all the laws are still stacked against them. The game can stop real quick with a single careless misstep. It's Russian roulette.
@Gwapa snuna what's the point of getting married?
I concur!
I think it is worth divorcing the concept of “higher education” from University. People can (& should) continue learning throughout their lives. They do not need University for that. In fact, the University lecture format is one of the least effective methods of education.
True. Education can be received from peers, mentors, the library, and during job training. Higher education is not limited to just the college lecture hall.
Totally! I got interested in 17th century history. I've been able to read obscure theses, books published in 1650, personal records, diaries, etc all without any professor telling me what to read. I'm practically an expert on the Era now.
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@Yeshua Is Lord If you study only to get a degree to show your education, it's not worth it. So many degrees are useless. Students pick courses that are easy, where the teacher gives no work, read the bare minimum required, mostly Coles notes or watch the movie then never open a book in their life...this is the majority of Arts and Humanities students. Then they brag about how "educated " they are. I agree that most sciences degrees require guidance as these are job related so you need to master these subjects. Today men are dropping out bc they realize that it's no longer the way to learn. They don't care that some uni gives them a piece of paper to get a crummy job in an office.
Young men are not going to college like they used to, but that does not by any means mean men are falling behind. They are simply entering trade schools and other places where they can gain marketable skills. A skilled tradesman will always outperform a college graduate with a worthless degree.
As a CPA and tax preparer, I've seen blue-collar tradesmen make more than doctors. It happens all the time.
"...oppressive patriarchal construct..."
"Are people still on that?"
2 years later: The Barbie movie makes 1.4 billion dollars.
Ok , but question still stands , why would I invest myself in a society that hates me ?
We don’t hate you. We’re just extremely confused and somehow quite uppity about it.
Victim mentality 👌👌👌 what would you push your son to do, then do that for yourself 👌
jus leave earth then
judging your profile , kinda funny a terminally online tells me that
But, it is very victim-y to say that. Look at the Asian community. They weren't exactly loved when they arrived, but now they're doing incredibly well. They got their heads down and worked. Now, they can hold up their middle finger at the country, yet they seem to remain detached from the emotion, somewhat humble and business like. Complaining that everyone hates you won't hurt those that hate you. Neither will dropping out. If will hurt yourself.
i think once the general population found out that you cant wipe away student loans through bankruptcy is when alot of people started thinking about college differently.
Combine that with the fact that federal loans keep doling out money like candy when universities ask. You create degrees worth far too much than the jobs they are meant for.
And add the fact that if you are an white male you have toxic oppression in you. Sorry but you must be mad to take a loan to suffer this oppression each day.
the increasing complexity of the financial rules/system and total lack of financial education in grades 1 to 12
is creating massive incentive distortions
the whole system has slowly become a scam
@@0doublezero0 suddenly all those liberal arts degrees have far less meaning. Sorry folks, I’m glad I dropped out. I’m sad I went.
@@therearenoshortcuts9868 The most useful course I ever took in High School was a financial literacy course. It was taught by a teacher who worked part-time as an account and it was offered as an ELECTIVE.
hello Chris, where do you find all those articles and studies you are reading? thanks a lot :D
Interesting conversation. I am over 60 and female. When I went to college (decades ago), it was "clear" that having a degree was going to give me an advantage. HOWEVER, the cost for my college education was...FREE. At that time, in NYC, the City Colleges were free for men and women. There was no concern about having an enormous debt at the time of graduation. In other areas of the country, the cost was significant, but nothing like it has become. Colleges these days, as you have noted, are no longer in the business of education. I won't be surprised if, over time, numbers start to decline for women as well.
It also cost you 4 years at a critical juncture in your life, ok if you got good training and advice at low cost, its debateable if modern education does this.
A good point Cynthia.
Damn hard to see college being free in NYC, a place that is shitton expensive
@@morpheus9137 Agreed.
When I went to college, the total price for one year came out to being roughly equal to the total cost my parents paid for their entire postsecondary education. That isn't inflation; that's highway robbery
Women getting most degrees, pushing out men from society.
Women most affected.
In 2006-09 my degree cost £25k in the UK, and it was still overpriced, since most of what I learned was from widely available books anyway.
Honestly, if you look at the stats, there is still a pretty big gap in earnings between college educated vs high-school graduates even to this day, even controlling for age.
Go to a local community college that has a great track record and a transfer program to a good local 4 year school. Ace your 2 years in CC and get done with most of your general credits then transfer to a good in-state school and finish up your bachelors degree with as little fuss as possible. Have a plan, stick to it, actually work for your stuff and learn to save money. Make connections during your time and make the most of the experience.
Graduating debt-free or with as little debt as possible is probably the smartest, least risky move, especially since socializing for young people outside of college is really difficult right now.
People never understood why I was against college so much, until what I said came true:
"Would you rather be poor and in debt, or just poor???"
Debt is over rated, rack it up, declare bankruptcy, wow, debt gone
@@elias_xp95 but you can’t declare bankruptcy over college debt...
@@josephcassano6296 US? lol sucks to be you. In the UK you don't pay anything back until you earn over 21k a year and even then it's only 6% of your salary.
@@elias_xp95 Yep. That’s the United States for you. Europe is superior in many ways, you guys get a much more specialized education and many European nations even have free education.
@@elias_xp95 and to be quite honest, if I got a degree in Europe and grew up there, I wouldn’t quite care about the transferability of degrees and credentials from Europe to the United States because I simply would never leave Europe.
The trouble with college today is that they've convinced everyone that nearly every career requires a degree. It used to be that people only went to a university for a high-level discipline, i.e. attorney, doctor, engineer etc. Now there are so many degree programs out there that are at best unnecessary and at worst utterly useless. I think men are just wising up to this fact, and are opting to avoid taking on a massive amount of debt just so they can get an entry level job that doesn't pay very much.
Indeed! We go there to study not fk. Anyways
Education creep. Back when a high school diploma was worth something, that was sufficient for most except for the learned professions.
a long time ago, companies would hire you right out of high school and TRAIN YOU for the job as long as you were reasonably intelligent and willing to work. And over time, you usually rose up in the company. Now, almost no company will hire you without at least a Bachelor's Degree, even if you are an idiot, and they expect you to have 5 years of experience to boot. Men are tired of the corporate rat race and the woke politics involved. Trade jobs cannot be easily offshored like so many white collar jobs...
@@bikerrich1200 A long time ago you could fix a car with a monkey wrench and ductape. Now you need to be an electrician and programmer.
@@moosehead482 No, but trades can be easily automated.
When i was choosing if i wanted to go into college or university, the debt i saw people being stuck in was really scary. Like i would be stupid to think I am the main character that gets through university absorbs everything there (even though the professors dont teach, just show) and find job to pay off all that debt. Seen to many people take on all that debt to get a piece of paper that no employer actually cares about. So i chose college that also had a coop program to get experience in the field.
It's harder to be a victim when you're priviledged in almost every way.
"If you want to get laid go to college, if you want an education go to the library."
-- Frank Zappa
if you want to get laid at a college, most men will get tossed out for SA allegations 'cause it ain't like it was in Frank Zappa's freewheelin' days.
Colleges aren't even good places to get laid anymore either. The women all go for the top 10% of the men at the colleges and universities.
@@offthedeepend3996 yep it’s how it is today.
Lol 😂
Useless classes waste of money and woke liberal agenda!
Colleges are hostile to young men and the subjects that interest them. I went to college in my mid twenties andI was shocked how dumb college was.
I did the higher education thing and yes it has helped me due to the fact it was an engineering degree but i purposely went to a university that has no liberal arts and sociology aspect to the course. Now for my son Im strongly of the mind set to send him to a technical colleague and after a few years of his career we will see if he need higher education to help boost his career path.
Prestige is earned! Not affirmative action or quota filling exercise .
It's time for everyone - male and female - to reconsider college if it's going to put you in debt for decades and hamper your financial ability to buy a home and start a family. The system is screwing us.
some people think that its college or your destitute still.
College-educated people make 2x plus as non-college.
@@SamSung-nf6tr Many high earners DONT feel or live what they are supposed to be affording--That loan DEBT is EATING away their income. Also, those people you are referring to are OLDER people in the workforce who have years of experience are (thus experienced based promotions or job upgrades when moving) AND from the PAST when college was not as expensive as it is today.
Useless classes waste of money and woke liberal agenda!
Has anyone attended to trade schools?
When I was in medical school not long ago it was 60% female. 90% of the female medical students were single and 90% of the male medical students were married.
The male students had a wife looking after them.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Definitely makes school more bearable.
I’m a school drop out. I made trade school then become a electrician traveld the world and now I’m overseas in real estate at the end of my 20th and earning a really really good amount
My skill set has always been art related. No collage can teach you how to get better except yourself. Not to mention the collage I went to crammed all these unwanted subjects down my throat like I was still in highschool. It’s only a matter of time before I reveal what I can do with my art as where most people waste their time thinking they are getting smarter. All you really need is a bit of common sense and it can take you on a road you never thought possible. And since art is such a wide variety of things it can take me anywhere. Video gaming, comic illustration, movie animation, book writing is even a form of art, even spray painting vehicles. The numbers just go on and on as I lay down knowing I can hit it big with little to no effort 😂
Most men think this way and that’s why we are opting out. The amount of time spent at collage are years lost that you could be earning your spot and making something out of yourself 🤣