Imagine a constant narrative about whether or not to cut a QB who had 50 TD and 20 INT over the past two seasons, with a 67% completion percentage, who's on a bargain contract.
I got mocked for calling him a prime player at a prime position on a prime contract yesterday and daring to suggest he was worth more than a 4th for all that
Hes also up and down with good weapons. Hes fine. The contract is ok. He will probably be here at least one more year but Seattle is probably looking at a younger qb.
It honestly is crazy how much hate he gets from the Seattle fan base. He’s played pretty good since becoming the starter and they shit on him every chance they can.
Geno has been on the upper half of the league in terms of qb play these last two seasons. Our defense was atrocious, and a lot of those losses were on them. Great bridge qb, and he will be a good mentor to develop a youngin when we draft one.
We literally lost our two tackles week one. Some of his decision making could’ve been better under pressure but it’s injury and coaching the reason we were in those positions (talking outside of injuries). Full off season, new offense to Scheme with our weapons after the draft etc.
@@pascho1057the o-like was either struggling through injuries or struggling because of skill. The play calling was predictable and multiple games was just horrible. The defense couldn’t stop anything and almost never set the offense up in good positions. Geno struggled yes, but who wouldn’t when all those problems were on your team
@@pascho1057for what he could do he was great. Lack of creative playcalls, lack of a healthy oline, we’re all contributing to his slight decreae in production
Geno was on a bottom 7 leaky bad offense line, yet hat a top 12 passing effectiveness rating. His buy time and pocket maneuver escapeability is elite. If the OL had not been so weak last year, he would be making his 40 mil, Hawks would have been in the playoffs, and Pete would still have a job.
yeah, geno can still sling it. Dude had some dimes these last two season. He's just the easiest target to blame when they didn't have success. Even though our defense was terrible against the run for much of the season, and our oline was shaky.
@@cyrustorgeson9047what does that even mean bruve😂 you just saying words without knowing whether they true or not. I guess you just ignore circumstances on the team. Terrible o-line? Qbs fault Terrible play calling? Qbs fault Terrible defense that could never set the offense up in good positions? Qbs fault. Makes sense makes sense.
Seattle has its share of problems but a big problem isn’t Geno Smith. Geno only works with what he has. If Seattle’s offensive line and coaching gets better, Geno, will get better. And for a Pro Bowl QB in which his teammates love him, Geno, is a steal of a price! Seattle will get better and Geno will put up better numbers especially with this new coaching staff!
I never get how some people don’t understand how great geno’s contract is. Outside rookie contracts and a few prove it deals like mayfield, geno has one of the most team friendly deals in the league. You have people saying the $45 mil russ is getting is gonna be a cheap contract in a couple years, geno Is making just over half of that all while out performing him. You’ll have a hard time finding a player doing as well as geno who is gonna be even close to a cheap in FA
Tells me that if the Seahawks don't trade him, makes them more likely to draft a QB that is a year or two away. Not every QB should be thrown right into the fire. Hope it's Penix. Especially with Grubb as the new OC.
Keep in mind that Geno missed 4 games due to injury. That is 4 less games than last year. His numbers weren’t that far off from last season. Go look at total passing yards for the team compared to last season.
This was **awesome** news to this Seahawk lifer. First and foremost, Geno Smith had by-God EARNED that bonus. Paying the man was simply the right thing to do, and that's pretty rare in this era of 'analytics über alles'. There is no analytical metric for toughness, will, patience, and professionalism, but I know it when I see it. With new coach Mike McDonald, none of us are gonna know what the Seahawks have until the second week of September anyway, so all the Saturday morning GMs out there are just gonna have to wait it out like the rest of us. Last thing, the Seahawks have got to find a way to get out from under Jamarcus Adams' contract. He's been injured every single season he's played for us and hasn't appeared in the half the games he was eligible to play in. What's more, he's never been available to play in the playoffs for anybody. Dude's getting starting QB money for just going to rehab. It's past time to cut that bait.
Eat at Geno's didn't regress. The O line play regressed, if he was given more time he would had a better year, he also missed a couple of games in comparison to year before, also because of protection issues. He had four or five comeback wins, which showed his poise and presence. And remember the defense was horrible, bottom third of the league. If the defense was just a little bit better, Geno would have got a few more wins, probably more and they would have made the playoffs.
It's about options, John knew what he was doing when he signed Geno and I would say it has worked out pretty well for us. We can keep Geno and he is not expensive for what he offers, we can trade him if we find a partner and maybe get our 2cnd round pick back from Leonard Williams. The real odd thing is the way the new coaches talk about Drew Lock, who isn't even on the team yet for next season. They might see him as a cheaper version of a bridge QB or maybe even a better version of Geno, who knows, but it is weird how Grubb and even Macdonald both talk about Geno as if he is just going to be here next year. Personally, I think if they find a trade partner John trades Geno and rolls with Lock. That give's us more draft capital, free's up cap space and allows us to have more options in the draft if we want a QB. If none of those things happen though, I think they are prepared to roll with Geno another year.
Most of our RBs are on rookie deals so they’ll probably go with the 5th year option if they like how they play, most RB don’t get paid that much so it’ll probably be way cheaper than that
& I BROUGHT UP HOW OFTEN HE WAS PRESSURED BECAUSE WHEN YOUR PRESSURED SO OFTEN IMMEDIATLEY AFTER THE SNAP MESSES WITH THE ABILITY TO FOCUS ON HIS READS AN MAKING GREAT PASSES. 1ST THING HE HAS TO DO IS LOCATE WHERE PRESSURE COMING FROM
This makes Geno a tradeable asset. They even said it, that contract is cheap for a serviceable starting QB. Seattle wouldn't have saved enough salary cap to make cutting Geno make sense, but absorbing his contract allows them to offer Geno for a 2nd or a 3rd & 5th.
I’m so happy! I like watching geno sling it to our stud receivers! Seems like Grubb will embrace the passing game even more! And if you trade geno for great value, that’s cool too! But I would let him take one more shot with DK and JSN if it were my choice- feels like Geno vs the Lions is what he’s capable of. I think we can help him get to that this year consistently if that defense comes to life
Hey, Mike, love Pro Football Talk! I just have one suggestion. Could you please not put your eyes down on your screen and keyboard as soon as your counterpart starts talking? It's extremely off-putting and just plain rude to your guest as well as your viewers. Maybe you don't realize you're doing it, but you might want to think about trying to break yourself of the habit. It's my only problem with the show. You and Chris and Myles are great! I will remain a loyal viewer.
I think Geno set a recoed with 5 game winning drives last year? For not starting all those years to come on like he has im fine wirh Geno again this yr. Idk wht our future at qb is beyond these next 1/2 szns... I want to see what Geno wll do under Grubb and not having incompetent play calling anymore.
Keeping Geno is the right move. All of the focus this off seadon needs to be on fixing the problems on defense. And for God's sake, no more talk of wasting a pick on Penix Jr.
keeping Geno for this season was an easy choice. He's still providing value at the position. he's not being paid as a topflight QB. There isn't an upgrade available through FA this season or a QB ready day 1 next season at the #16 overall pick in draft.
I't's smart to keep Geno. I don't think he was there issue this year overall. One mock i saw had Seattle grabbing Bo Nix. He could sit and learn under a very smart veteran.
& HE ALSO MISSED 3 GAMES DUE TO INJURY & WAS PRESSURED 80% OF PLAYS. I MEAN IT WAS RIDICULOUS HOW OFTEN HE WAS IMMEDIATELY PRESSURED ON DAM MANORITY OF PLAYS
Geno is a good QB. But, I would say, that if the situation arises, and he is available, we should draft Penix in the 1st or 2nd round...that boy can ball! Plus, his former UW OC is now the Hawks' OC. What more could you ask for ?! GO HAWKS!!🏉💙💚
We don't have the trade up potential to get him ! Every team out there that needs a quarter back and has high first round pick are going to take him first ! I'd love to have him here but the prospect and odds aren't in our favor !
Geno is a good bargain at what his cap number is but he has hit his ceiling. Outside of the usual offensive line issues the Seahawks have had for a decade or so that offense is stacked with talent. If the Hawks hope to get ahead of the Rams and 49ers in their division they will need to make an upgrade at QB in the very near future. Hawks have few players under contract past 2025 so resetting that QB cap number with a good young player to keep talent in house has been a good recipe for success for teams in the past.
Penix? This Miles guy is an awful judge of NFL talent. He thought Bryce Young was the clear #1 last year. Penix will bust almost as fast as Bryce Young.
No disrespect but u can throw a rock &hit a better quarterback is the definition of disrespect but funny. Mason has looked better than Pickett &is a deep ball thrower on a team w/ receivers that get deep. Might be a better fit but if the Steelers are gonna trade for a QB I think they'd go for top of the market not average or slightly above average which is what Geno is
The Seahawks fleeced my Broncos for Wilson no doubt about it. One good thing you miss here is the emergence of Geno Smith distracted the birds from getting a franchise QB in the draft these last couple years on our dime. Now after the smoke has cleared Geno coming back down to mediocrity and it hurts a little less for us….kind of 😊
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Imagine a constant narrative about whether or not to cut a QB who had 50 TD and 20 INT over the past two seasons, with a 67% completion percentage, who's on a bargain contract.
I got mocked for calling him a prime player at a prime position on a prime contract yesterday and daring to suggest he was worth more than a 4th for all that
Hes also up and down with good weapons. Hes fine. The contract is ok. He will probably be here at least one more year but Seattle is probably looking at a younger qb.
@@MordecaiandMonroe Imagine the Steelers with Geno. I think John has a deal in the works. And I think a 2nd round pick is definitely possible.
@@Richard-il6wcyou think theres a deal because???
It honestly is crazy how much hate he gets from the Seattle fan base. He’s played pretty good since becoming the starter and they shit on him every chance they can.
He can't throw and pass and block for himself. He's earned it!
Geno has been on the upper half of the league in terms of qb play these last two seasons. Our defense was atrocious, and a lot of those losses were on them. Great bridge qb, and he will be a good mentor to develop a youngin when we draft one.
We literally lost our two tackles week one. Some of his decision making could’ve been better under pressure but it’s injury and coaching the reason we were in those positions (talking outside of injuries). Full off season, new offense to Scheme with our weapons after the draft etc.
Anyone blaming Geno Smith for the Seahawks inability to make the playoffs last year either don’t understand football or don’t watch it.
He wasn’t good either tho
“I’m right and anybody who disagrees with me is a big dummy head my mommy said so”
@@pascho1057the o-like was either struggling through injuries or struggling because of skill. The play calling was predictable and multiple games was just horrible. The defense couldn’t stop anything and almost never set the offense up in good positions.
Geno struggled yes, but who wouldn’t when all those problems were on your team
@@pascho1057for what he could do he was great. Lack of creative playcalls, lack of a healthy oline, we’re all contributing to his slight decreae in production
@@pascho1057he played fine enough to make it. There were two games where the defense let them down. They win ONE of those two they make the playoffs.
Geno was on a bottom 7 leaky bad offense line, yet hat a top 12 passing effectiveness rating. His buy time and pocket maneuver escapeability is elite. If the OL had not been so weak last year, he would be making his 40 mil, Hawks would have been in the playoffs, and Pete would still have a job.
yeah, geno can still sling it. Dude had some dimes these last two season. He's just the easiest target to blame when they didn't have success. Even though our defense was terrible against the run for much of the season, and our oline was shaky.
Geno is a crybaby diva, and is not good, he needed a third of all the nfls starting qbs to be injured and to be a “top ten qb”
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@@cyrustorgeson9047what does that even mean bruve😂 you just saying words without knowing whether they true or not.
I guess you just ignore circumstances on the team.
Terrible o-line? Qbs fault
Terrible play calling? Qbs fault
Terrible defense that could never set the offense up in good positions? Qbs fault.
Makes sense makes sense.
There isn't a good offensive line in the NFL when you're defensive can't tackle anyone.
Seattle has its share of problems but a big problem isn’t Geno Smith. Geno only works with what he has. If Seattle’s offensive line and coaching gets better, Geno, will get better. And for a Pro Bowl QB in which his teammates love him, Geno, is a steal of a price! Seattle will get better and Geno will put up better numbers especially with this new coaching staff!
LOL he sucked in the pro bowl too
I never get how some people don’t understand how great geno’s contract is.
Outside rookie contracts and a few prove it deals like mayfield, geno has one of the most team friendly deals in the league. You have people saying the $45 mil russ is getting is gonna be a cheap contract in a couple years, geno Is making just over half of that all while out performing him.
You’ll have a hard time finding a player doing as well as geno who is gonna be even close to a cheap in FA
Wow yeah this is great perspective. He’s about to be just over half the cost of the potential contracts of Baker and Cousins. That’s fantastic
All I know is that Geno played his heart 💙 out against my Lions. They need to take care of the man.
They did. They just dropped 12 million in his lap even though they're planning on trading him.
Geno is a good QB sacked at one of the lowest rates while being pressured at one of the highest rates
Literally had an injured O line all season. He managed pretty good
Tells me that if the Seahawks don't trade him, makes them more likely to draft a QB that is a year or two away. Not every QB should be thrown right into the fire. Hope it's Penix. Especially with Grubb as the new OC.
Geno did his job kept that team competitive
I rather have Geno Smith than Russell Wilson right now
Mike Florio sounds more and more like Chris Simms in words , tone and pace
Geno will be even better next year, the o line upgrade will be amazing
Geno's the man. Get over it.
Bro. Homemade Salisbury steak is the shit!
Geno is a top 10 QB last two years
Keep in mind that Geno missed 4 games due to injury. That is 4 less games than last year. His numbers weren’t that far off from last season. Go look at total passing yards for the team compared to last season.
Geno is like Brad Johnson. You give him top line weapons and a top 10 D, he can do it.
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Good on the Hawks for keeping Geno. He's far more dangerous than he gets credit for. Put him behind a decent O-Line and watch him pick defenses apart.
This was **awesome** news to this Seahawk lifer.
First and foremost, Geno Smith had by-God EARNED that bonus. Paying the man was simply the right thing to do, and that's pretty rare in this era of 'analytics über alles'. There is no analytical metric for toughness, will, patience, and professionalism, but I know it when I see it.
With new coach Mike McDonald, none of us are gonna know what the Seahawks have until the second week of September anyway, so all the Saturday morning GMs out there are just gonna have to wait it out like the rest of us.
Last thing, the Seahawks have got to find a way to get out from under Jamarcus Adams' contract. He's been injured every single season he's played for us and hasn't appeared in the half the games he was eligible to play in. What's more, he's never been available to play in the playoffs for anybody. Dude's getting starting QB money for just going to rehab. It's past time to cut that bait.
Best football talk show. No BS like SAS or mad dog. Facts.
I MEAN EVEN THO HE WASNT AS GOOD LAST YEAR AS 2022 BUT HE STILL SHOWED HES DANGEROUSLY ACCURATE AN HAD LIKE 4 GAME WINNING DRIVES
We weren't upgrading on Geno this offseason...
GENO DESERVES TO START AGAIN THIS YEAR! & IF SEAHAWKS FIX THERE O LINE ISSUES, GENO WILL HAVE BEST YEAR OF CAREER IN 2024. MOST ACCURATE QB IN NFL
Eat at Geno's didn't regress. The O line play regressed, if he was given more time he would had a better year, he also missed a couple of games in comparison to year before, also because of protection issues. He had four or five comeback wins, which showed his poise and presence. And remember the defense was horrible, bottom third of the league. If the defense was just a little bit better, Geno would have got a few more wins, probably more and they would have made the playoffs.
It's about options, John knew what he was doing when he signed Geno and I would say it has worked out pretty well for us. We can keep Geno and he is not expensive for what he offers, we can trade him if we find a partner and maybe get our 2cnd round pick back from Leonard Williams. The real odd thing is the way the new coaches talk about Drew Lock, who isn't even on the team yet for next season. They might see him as a cheaper version of a bridge QB or maybe even a better version of Geno, who knows, but it is weird how Grubb and even Macdonald both talk about Geno as if he is just going to be here next year. Personally, I think if they find a trade partner John trades Geno and rolls with Lock. That give's us more draft capital, free's up cap space and allows us to have more options in the draft if we want a QB. If none of those things happen though, I think they are prepared to roll with Geno another year.
Kenny out here catching strays🤣🤣
Bro Kenny isn’t good enough. His fanbase is so annoying lmao
Geno Smith is a top ten QB
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Finally a smart move…….
And he deserves every penny of it.
They should structure running back contracts like this. 3 years 30 mil. If you play well it can be 50. But the team can cut ties each year
Most of our RBs are on rookie deals so they’ll probably go with the 5th year option if they like how they play, most RB don’t get paid that much so it’ll probably be way cheaper than that
@@burgbudz4203only first rounders have fifth year options. Kenneth is going to get a big extension soon
& I BROUGHT UP HOW OFTEN HE WAS PRESSURED BECAUSE WHEN YOUR PRESSURED SO OFTEN IMMEDIATLEY AFTER THE SNAP MESSES WITH THE ABILITY TO FOCUS ON HIS READS AN MAKING GREAT PASSES. 1ST THING HE HAS TO DO IS LOCATE WHERE PRESSURE COMING FROM
This makes Geno a tradeable asset. They even said it, that contract is cheap for a serviceable starting QB. Seattle wouldn't have saved enough salary cap to make cutting Geno make sense, but absorbing his contract allows them to offer Geno for a 2nd or a 3rd & 5th.
Geno in Minnesota?
@@biozio186 absolutely
I’m so happy! I like watching geno sling it to our stud receivers! Seems like Grubb will embrace the passing game even more! And if you trade geno for great value, that’s cool too! But I would let him take one more shot with DK and JSN if it were my choice- feels like Geno vs the Lions is what he’s capable of. I think we can help him get to that this year consistently if that defense comes to life
Geesh Mike...tell us how you feel about Pickett. I agree though. Appreciated.
Hey, Mike, love Pro Football Talk! I just have one suggestion. Could you please not put your eyes down on your screen and keyboard as soon as your counterpart starts talking? It's extremely off-putting and just plain rude to your guest as well as your viewers. Maybe you don't realize you're doing it, but you might want to think about trying to break yourself of the habit. It's my only problem with the show. You and Chris and Myles are great! I will remain a loyal viewer.
Geno has a top 5 arm talent. Too bad he has a bottom 5 o line, bottom 10 run game.
I think Geno set a recoed with 5 game winning drives last year? For not starting all those years to come on like he has im fine wirh Geno again this yr. Idk wht our future at qb is beyond these next 1/2 szns... I want to see what Geno wll do under Grubb and not having incompetent play calling anymore.
I don't think him making it through to this next season was a shock to anyone...Getting through to 2025 and resigned... TOTALLY different story.
My mans got hurt and it's called regression
Go Florio! Tell the truth! Go Steelers!
Keeping Geno is the right move. All of the focus this off seadon needs to be on fixing the problems on defense.
And for God's sake, no more talk of wasting a pick on Penix Jr.
The only way Geno Smith is getting to a Superbowl is buying a ticket.
That's why they said bridge qb
keeping Geno for this season was an easy choice. He's still providing value at the position. he's not being paid as a topflight QB. There isn't an upgrade available through FA this season or a QB ready day 1 next season at the #16 overall pick in draft.
We drafting penix
I't's smart to keep Geno. I don't think he was there issue this year overall. One mock i saw had Seattle grabbing Bo Nix. He could sit and learn under a very smart veteran.
Every time I read "Bo Nix" my brain says "Bo Callahan" heh
Watson had DHOP, without him he is QB2
& HE ALSO MISSED 3 GAMES DUE TO INJURY & WAS PRESSURED 80% OF PLAYS. I MEAN IT WAS RIDICULOUS HOW OFTEN HE WAS IMMEDIATELY PRESSURED ON DAM MANORITY OF PLAYS
7th best QB
Florio bodied Pickett, bro 😂😂😂😂😂
Those qbs are like tv dinner Meat and potatoes😅😅
Why would you get rid of Pete and then hire a defensive coach…..My Hawks my tears…..
So you want more the same we've been getting the last three years? Pete had to go. His coaching is old school and it's not working.
I think the coach change we needed was a shift to an offensive minded coach.
Geno will win MVP next year. Watch
Geno is a good QB. But, I would say, that if the situation arises, and he is available, we should draft Penix in the 1st or 2nd round...that boy can ball! Plus, his former UW OC is now the Hawks' OC. What more could you ask for ?! GO HAWKS!!🏉💙💚
We don't have the trade up potential to get him ! Every team out there that needs a quarter back and has high first round pick are going to take him first ! I'd love to have him here but the prospect and odds aren't in our favor !
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Geno is a good bargain at what his cap number is but he has hit his ceiling. Outside of the usual offensive line issues the Seahawks have had for a decade or so that offense is stacked with talent. If the Hawks hope to get ahead of the Rams and 49ers in their division they will need to make an upgrade at QB in the very near future. Hawks have few players under contract past 2025 so resetting that QB cap number with a good young player to keep talent in house has been a good recipe for success for teams in the past.
Aren't you married to a Steelers fan???
Mike Florio is such a hack. Geno would be 10x better with a good o line. How about you talk about that
Penix? This Miles guy is an awful judge of NFL talent. He thought Bryce Young was the clear #1 last year. Penix will bust almost as fast as Bryce Young.
Geno aint going nowhere so stop writting about it you know he ain't gone right back anyway!!!
I think Myles has narcolepsy.
Geno is a really 3:58 good QB. One of the worst defense in football along with a terrible O-line....
All the build up… mostly to say some new coach looks like someone else?… are you drunk!? Haha! Good work fellas 🤡😂
As a seahawks fan we are delusional. He's alright at best. He does some good things really well. He's far from elite.
No disrespect but u can throw a rock &hit a better quarterback is the definition of disrespect but funny. Mason has looked better than Pickett &is a deep ball thrower on a team w/ receivers that get deep. Might be a better fit but if the Steelers are gonna trade for a QB I think they'd go for top of the market not average or slightly above average which is what Geno is
The Seahawks fleeced my Broncos for Wilson no doubt about it. One good thing you miss here is the emergence of Geno Smith distracted the birds from getting a franchise QB in the draft these last couple years on our dime. Now after the smoke has cleared Geno coming back down to mediocrity and it hurts a little less for us….kind of 😊