Absolute insanity, I can't tell if I'm reading this right or not (I think I am), and this is insane. Can't even come up with the words other than thank you. I'm in shock
For those new to bounce, hit monkey and Sage are super key for it. You can play stuff like bishop or werewolf (which actually is sometimes better than HM or Sage), but Sage and HM together are your win conditions. Using Agent Venom doesnt mean you need to find a way to shove iron man into your deck, turn 5 is a super key turn for bounce where its your last chance to get that bounce. Playing iron man leaves your vulnerable to killmomger as you cant throw priority by bouncing on turn 5. I also think if you play sage and toxin on a lane that already has cards, or even nico, rocket and beast will result in more power than iron man. You have to be really careful about spreading power as bounce is easy to stack power super high in one lane (youll be surprised but its true). Theres a lot of maths involved in bounce which not everyone can be assed to do, so you may missplay some cards by not expecting their final power output, it happens and its normal for new players to bounce. For those that want to run werewolf, you're diving into the deepend and I reccomend it. It does make spreading power significantly harder due to bounce being primarily on reveal and you can end up having wolf jump to an already stacked lane (again, sounds easy to avoid, but it happens a lot for new players), thats why its beneficial to save a one cost like hood, nico, iceman, pig to get your 20 power wolf to where you need it while playing your hit monkey/Sage first so you know thats going to be alone. I wish everyone the best of luck playing bounce if you arent familiar with it, its a super fun archeotype that can have a load of versatility with the cards you pick for it. Have fun and enjoy bouncing!
@Mydogatemycomment Where am I saying spend money? The cards I mentioned have been out for months, easily attainable for free to play players. You don't have to use Agent Venom either, throw Bast in if you don't have him and want a substitute. I'd say a solid free to play deck (so excluding cards that have come out this month) is: Hood Hawkeye Rocket Nico Iceman/Korg/Spider ham Collector/Black Swan Falcon Bishop Hit monkey/werewolf Sage/the other one that gets power that's 3-1 ... can't remember her name Beast Iron man if you don't have toxin That's a solid 12 off the top of my head for Bounce. A key part of bounce is have 3 scalers, in this case I listed 4 in collector, Bishop, sage, hit monkey, so feel free to throw other cards you like in. The problem with 4 scalers is 1/3 of your deck are power generators and rely on 2/3 of your deck to get them that power, so you can get less consistency with drawing the 1 drops you need, considering in the 2/3s there's also beast, Iron man/Toxin and Falcon so it's even less. I try to have 3 scalers for each lane as a general rule, but obviously being able to bounce means you can decide on turn 6 how you want your board to look as a whole.
@@Pinhead___Larry oh i was just making a broad statement about how the game is pay to win i only did it because CCG players are so easy to troll, hence the long response anyway i was jk it was a shitpost dont take it too seriously marvel snap is a skill game everyone knows that
@@dark3176 No, you’ll have a chance at pulling the Zabu variant too. This is why people don’t want to pull this week cause a lot of people have Zabu and Elsa already, and the variants don’t seem that good either personally.
Congrats on the milestones and relationship you and Cozy have created. Yalls videos have shaped my Marvel Snap experience for a long time now and I appreciate that.
Honestly i feel like he's more versatile then scorn. With that said i definitely feel like hes a must get because honestly he's probably going to be the only new bounce card we get in ages and for future proofing I feel like he's important.
In the second gsme, you can literally hear the silent screams of that Black Panther player when his BP was shrunk to -1 by that swarm of Silver Sables 😂
Really feels like with a name like Toxin it should be reducing cards' power. But you are very right, bounce takes some practice and experience, but between Sable, the Swan revamp, Agent Venom, and now this, the incentive to put in the work and get familiar with how this deck type works is so much stronger now. FWIW I used tokens this time around. Got a couple of double-card weeks incoming that I will want to have the keys for.
PSA: If you are unused to Bounce and worried about risking your cubes, just go do a Proving Ground. There's nothing to lose, and you can try out your deck against others who are probably doing the same.
@@AllahIsTheOneAndOnlyUnity No, but for real tho. I challenged myself some days ago to use a deck only made of pool-2 cards. Most decks kinda sucked, but a plain storm deck was actually really viable. Zoo is also decent. Ongoing can work. At the end of the day, you have two options: Play like poker and win big when it counts. Or just Snap every game and win more than you lose. And both ways will get you to infinite rather quickly.
Why is Iceman the first card you guys always cut in Bounce, i cant never understand that. Iceman gives you a chance in match ups that otherwise you have almost no chance to win it, like average Hela draws, Tribunal, Sera Tech, Cosmo decks... And can be the key card in mirrors. So valuable!
Iceman ceiling is waaaay lower than other cards such as rocket which can end up in 10+ power. You also play to lose priority in the last turn so iceman is bad in turn6
iceman's effect is one-sided. you don't know how much he affected the gameplay so it doesn't have that feedback. whenever I am against Iceman, most times i am clenching my fist, but I can never know if my opponent did the same when I played iceman. so spiderman ham feels a lot better to use. but bounce doesn't use spiderham and there are other 1 drops that can easily occupy iceman's slot.
i wish there was a effect to see when they play the iced cards out to know ah this card was hit rn i am in no iceman camp just because i can't easily grasp how much he carried while others tend to at least have a visible effect that satifies
Toxin seems cool but honestly I'm not super encouraged to play bounce right now lacking cards such as Black Swan and Agent Venom, the meta is at a point where if you don't have one of those cards don't even bother trying playing bounce because you'll be destroyed in mirror matches.
Agent venom will 100% get nerfed after the season pass is over, it's just a question of how long after and how many cards catch strays before they touch agent venom directly
He will probably be a 2/3 that makes everything 3 power. 2/4 has always been super premium, especially since he has a positive ability. Plus some synergy with Bast setting everything to 3 power as well.
saved my tokens for this week since what even is that zabu variant? but then i couldn’t resist to roll for the pandart toxin & got it first try. never punished
Same. Way better overall caches next month too. Specifically the first 2 weeks. First week: Frigga, Red Guardian, Copycat Second week: Malekith, Athena, Valentina I only have Valentina and Copycat so my keys will have more worth there. Pretty much every week has at least 2 cards that I don't own yet.
Since you haven't figured out the decks yet, if you're not playing Elsa, you're just pissing into the wind. She makes sage better, toxin WAY better, beast better, etc. You have a lot of cards you want to be the 4th card in a lane, and she will hit lots of cards multiple times
where is elsa mediocre i can't fit here in any decks i guess i need thena with her, dang 4 keys and didn't get elsas variant ugh but toxins is ok ( i don't get the blue lines) and that embarassingly bad zabu variant. I didn't hear your opinion on the variants but i know you are aiming for the supergiant variant well i started to like nakayama and want this variant
It probably won't cause most people don't like playing it even though it's good. If it gets out of control every deck will have Shadow king, killmonger and Cosmo.
Bounce will continue to be the thing I look from afar. I enjoy it, just don't have the energy to play it so I appreciate the week I'm keeping my resources.
Bounce is too much of a mental energy drain and just tiring to play. I know this card is insane but my lack of desire to play bounce and the horrible spotlight cache week makes it an easy skip for me. I would have to choose between Toxin or Fenris wolf for my use of tokens since I don't want to use keys on either week and Fenris is more my kind of card where it has high roll potential without having to do math every game with Bounce decks. I prefer high roll decks and anti-meta decks.
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I'm definitely questioning the inclusion of Kate B. in my bouncey castles deck. I'm thinking she could be swapped out for were wolf, Nico or Hawkeye.
Thanks!
Thanks to you bro!
Absolute insanity, I can't tell if I'm reading this right or not (I think I am), and this is insane. Can't even come up with the words other than thank you. I'm in shock
@@AlexanderCocciathat’s enough for just one bundle 😂
@@AlexanderCoccia That might be enough to fix your camera! @bad_boomer - what a snapbruh! nice!
Duuuude you’re crazy
For those new to bounce, hit monkey and Sage are super key for it. You can play stuff like bishop or werewolf (which actually is sometimes better than HM or Sage), but Sage and HM together are your win conditions. Using Agent Venom doesnt mean you need to find a way to shove iron man into your deck, turn 5 is a super key turn for bounce where its your last chance to get that bounce. Playing iron man leaves your vulnerable to killmomger as you cant throw priority by bouncing on turn 5. I also think if you play sage and toxin on a lane that already has cards, or even nico, rocket and beast will result in more power than iron man. You have to be really careful about spreading power as bounce is easy to stack power super high in one lane (youll be surprised but its true). Theres a lot of maths involved in bounce which not everyone can be assed to do, so you may missplay some cards by not expecting their final power output, it happens and its normal for new players to bounce.
For those that want to run werewolf, you're diving into the deepend and I reccomend it. It does make spreading power significantly harder due to bounce being primarily on reveal and you can end up having wolf jump to an already stacked lane (again, sounds easy to avoid, but it happens a lot for new players), thats why its beneficial to save a one cost like hood, nico, iceman, pig to get your 20 power wolf to where you need it while playing your hit monkey/Sage first so you know thats going to be alone.
I wish everyone the best of luck playing bounce if you arent familiar with it, its a super fun archeotype that can have a load of versatility with the cards you pick for it. Have fun and enjoy bouncing!
This is a nice way of saying spend money and then copy paste a decklist
@Mydogatemycomment Where am I saying spend money? The cards I mentioned have been out for months, easily attainable for free to play players. You don't have to use Agent Venom either, throw Bast in if you don't have him and want a substitute. I'd say a solid free to play deck (so excluding cards that have come out this month) is:
Hood
Hawkeye
Rocket
Nico
Iceman/Korg/Spider ham
Collector/Black Swan
Falcon
Bishop
Hit monkey/werewolf
Sage/the other one that gets power that's 3-1 ... can't remember her name
Beast
Iron man if you don't have toxin
That's a solid 12 off the top of my head for Bounce. A key part of bounce is have 3 scalers, in this case I listed 4 in collector, Bishop, sage, hit monkey, so feel free to throw other cards you like in. The problem with 4 scalers is 1/3 of your deck are power generators and rely on 2/3 of your deck to get them that power, so you can get less consistency with drawing the 1 drops you need, considering in the 2/3s there's also beast, Iron man/Toxin and Falcon so it's even less. I try to have 3 scalers for each lane as a general rule, but obviously being able to bounce means you can decide on turn 6 how you want your board to look as a whole.
@@Pinhead___Larry oh i was just making a broad statement about how the game is pay to win
i only did it because CCG players are so easy to troll, hence the long response
anyway i was jk it was a shitpost dont take it too seriously marvel snap is a skill game everyone knows that
I regret not getting sliver stable
Same, I skipped her spotlight but had to scoop her up with tokens.
The only reason I got Sable was because i knew it was gonna be broken eventually.
Especially now that White widow got nerfed
Same because I was dumb and thought I wouldn’t have enough keys then I didn’t take into account I would get more later on
Why did you skip her? It was clear that she is a pretty good 1 drop even just statwise. Did you not have enough keys for a coming spotlight?
@@dark3176 listen man we all make mistakes, i was scorned by trying for Ajax just for him to collect dust. learned my lesson
That Black Panther doubling his negative power was wild, that has to be an extremely low chance of happening. No wonder he Miss Marvel thumbs up.
With the other cards in the cache, I got extremely lucky pulling Toxin in 1.
Still reluctant to take the plunge because of the Zabu on offer. Grats on your one-shot!
@@RickReasonnz happy about it cause September all the cards took me 3-4 keys to get. Feels good to finally get that 1 pull.
I have Zabu. I don't have the other 2. Will I pull the other 2 before Zabu variant?
@@dark3176 No, you’ll have a chance at pulling the Zabu variant too. This is why people don’t want to pull this week cause a lot of people have Zabu and Elsa already, and the variants don’t seem that good either personally.
Same
I think he's really fun and makes Bounce stronger (as if it needed it, lol). Him and Scorn are definitely the best cards of the season imo right now.
Agent Venom?
the agent venom in question that was in 6 of the top 10 decks a week ago
Congrats on the milestones and relationship you and Cozy have created. Yalls videos have shaped my Marvel Snap experience for a long time now and I appreciate that.
I’m happy black Swan has found a place in the game, very cool card
Honestly i feel like he's more versatile then scorn. With that said i definitely feel like hes a must get because honestly he's probably going to be the only new bounce card we get in ages and for future proofing I feel like he's important.
Until the devs decide to GUT bounce in half assed effort to nerf Agent Venom without touching Agent Venom ...
@@soulance8342 honestly I'm kinda expecting them to nerf iron man because of agent venom
Hes basically like Madame Web. Has a very strong home in a specific deck but is versatile enough to be used elsewhere.
In the second gsme, you can literally hear the silent screams of that Black Panther player when his BP was shrunk to -1 by that swarm of Silver Sables 😂
😂😂 nasty work
RnG is not in my favor 3 keys to try for Scorn last week and still missed. This week, I used one and got Zabu 😭
Bad Boomer singlehandly paying Alex's familys Costco bills for the next months
Really feels like with a name like Toxin it should be reducing cards' power.
But you are very right, bounce takes some practice and experience, but between Sable, the Swan revamp, Agent Venom, and now this, the incentive to put in the work and get familiar with how this deck type works is so much stronger now.
FWIW I used tokens this time around. Got a couple of double-card weeks incoming that I will want to have the keys for.
Thanks for the video, the information, and the decks.
I've never really played the Bounce archetype before, but Toxin does look like fun.
PSA: If you are unused to Bounce and worried about risking your cubes, just go do a Proving Ground. There's nothing to lose, and you can try out your deck against others who are probably doing the same.
Once you hit infinite, there’s nothing to lose ever.
@@LFanimes333 Not everyone goes to infinite.
@@RickReasonnz
Then learn how to do it. You can fully do it even with zero pool-5 cards.
@@LFanimes333damn that’s my attitude
@@AllahIsTheOneAndOnlyUnity
No, but for real tho.
I challenged myself some days ago to use a deck only made of pool-2 cards. Most decks kinda sucked, but a plain storm deck was actually really viable. Zoo is also decent. Ongoing can work.
At the end of the day, you have two options: Play like poker and win big when it counts. Or just Snap every game and win more than you lose.
And both ways will get you to infinite rather quickly.
Why is Iceman the first card you guys always cut in Bounce, i cant never understand that. Iceman gives you a chance in match ups that otherwise you have almost no chance to win it, like average Hela draws, Tribunal, Sera Tech, Cosmo decks... And can be the key card in mirrors. So valuable!
Iceman ceiling is waaaay lower than other cards such as rocket which can end up in 10+ power. You also play to lose priority in the last turn so iceman is bad in turn6
iceman's effect is one-sided. you don't know how much he affected the gameplay so it doesn't have that feedback. whenever I am against Iceman, most times i am clenching my fist, but I can never know if my opponent did the same when I played iceman. so spiderman ham feels a lot better to use. but bounce doesn't use spiderham and there are other 1 drops that can easily occupy iceman's slot.
i wish there was a effect to see when they play the iced cards out to know ah this card was hit rn i am in no iceman camp just because i can't easily grasp how much he carried while others tend to at least have a visible effect that satifies
Used my only 2 Caches and got Elsa and Zabu. So disappointed.
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Sounds like my luck last week with scorn.
took me 4. Toxin will age like fine wine cope.
Same bro, really tragic
Does it feel bad to have destroyed your account progression for several months?
Wasn't interested in Scorn, but as a bounce enjoyer I LOVE Toxin. Didn't have Elsa so gambled on keys.
I’ve been stuck at rank 90 since the season started. I pickeup up toxin and climbed to infinity in less than 1.5 hours. Definitely a 10/10 card
Toxin seems cool but honestly I'm not super encouraged to play bounce right now lacking cards such as Black Swan and Agent Venom, the meta is at a point where if you don't have one of those cards don't even bother trying playing bounce because you'll be destroyed in mirror matches.
I love playing bounce that's why I'm getting him. Also I kind of like the current SL variants and I have tons of keys so I opened for him.
I can win with Elsa Bloodstone, and now I have the variant of all Elsa variants!
I will say I’m enjoying the new angles and quality of your face cam
Interesting that alex didn't try Collector, angela or werewolf in any of his decks! These were the first cards i added in my bounce build.
Played 2 bounce decks Tuesday night, both ended up retreating. You can tell lots of people are trying to learn the deck archetype.
I've got pretty much this deck but I like werewolf by night instead of iron man. Iron man is probably better but I just like the way werewolf plays
Alex’s webcam reminds me of the girl in Charlie and the chocolate factory who eats and blueberry and turns blue
16:50 that also works with Deadpool.
You warned the people about sable but they did not listen
Sable was obvious that she was good. Even without Bounce she is fine in most scenarios. Were there any people who actually thought she sucked?
What would you replace Black Swan with? I didn't get her when she was in a spotlight cashe, because everyone was saying she is really bad 😓
Huh.... What happens when you like bounce a Mysterio clone?
Can it even be played?
Unless you are me and always get the worst locations for bounce
Good job! Get yourself some timbits! And a double double eh!?
15:32 such a great play. Do you think agent vemon will get nerfed in a couple of weeks? Strength & frequency feels similar to pre-nerf white widow.
Agent venom will 100% get nerfed after the season pass is over, it's just a question of how long after and how many cards catch strays before they touch agent venom directly
They might go for Mysterio first, since he's seeing a lot of play rn and is Series 3
@@khdo12346 that sounds like a second dinner approach for sure
THe only way to adjust would be to raise his cost or lower his power. SD approach is either one by 1 point, so I wouldn't worry.
He will probably be a 2/3 that makes everything 3 power. 2/4 has always been super premium, especially since he has a positive ability. Plus some synergy with Bast setting everything to 3 power as well.
saved my tokens for this week since what even is that zabu variant? but then i couldn’t resist to roll for the pandart toxin & got it first try. never punished
Had to grab with tokens. Save my keys for a better cache.
did you get a new camera already? you are looking very crisp now it seems.
he didn't see this has kinda bad colors which could also be because of his settings but it isn't that good
I have one key even though i play bounce a lot i won't be getting toxin , bcoz not only i already have zabu and elsa but also their variant sucks
The Elsa variant has 2 big reasons to get her
@@hashimdixon3580 😶🌫️
Toxin and scorn both on first key😎
Had to use all 4 keys to get toxin, but hope it'll be worth it :')
Let me just say that master mold is so annoying when playing bounce lol
can totally ruin your hand especially with hood i had it in my testing if i like bounce and all the guys plaid that junk i hope it goes away soon
"We got some quick toxin gameplay"
Cuts to next match
"We got some ninja gameplay"
Lmao
16:34 Silver Sable? More like Silver Disable... 😮
2:45 I hate it when I get double doody on my hand. 🙁
Just have to use token to get, this toxin spotlight cache suck, not to waste my key😂
Same. Way better overall caches next month too. Specifically the first 2 weeks.
First week: Frigga, Red Guardian, Copycat
Second week: Malekith, Athena, Valentina
I only have Valentina and Copycat so my keys will have more worth there. Pretty much every week has at least 2 cards that I don't own yet.
This guy never misses
Wonder if he'd be viable in a mill deck
As well as the Darkhawk/Black widow deck
not really, in these mill ,beast would bring more value because oftentimes you don't bounce that many cards with toxin to boost him in mill i presume
Since you haven't figured out the decks yet, if you're not playing Elsa, you're just pissing into the wind. She makes sage better, toxin WAY better, beast better, etc. You have a lot of cards you want to be the 4th card in a lane, and she will hit lots of cards multiple times
What kind of list have you been testing with her?
Your Elsa my friend....is pissin innnn the wind......just pissing in the wind. -WebDylan
This is what i was thinkin! All this talk of bouncing toxin when elsa is essentially an extra proc for him!
got toxin trying to finally get Zabu, pretty pissed.
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where is elsa mediocre i can't fit here in any decks i guess i need thena with her, dang 4 keys and didn't get elsas variant ugh but toxins is ok ( i don't get the blue lines) and that embarassingly bad zabu variant. I didn't hear your opinion on the variants but i know you are aiming for the supergiant variant well i started to like nakayama and want this variant
Why do I have a feeling that bounce is gonna get nerfed to hell.
It probably won't cause most people don't like playing it even though it's good. If it gets out of control every deck will have Shadow king, killmonger and Cosmo.
Bounce will continue to be the thing I look from afar. I enjoy it, just don't have the energy to play it so I appreciate the week I'm keeping my resources.
So without agent venom this card is usless?
Agent Venom makes the deck stronger. You can play without it.
I don't have agent venom. You just need to get power elsewhere, so I've been playing a bounce move deck and a bounce deck with Sasquatch and Werewolf.
@@nathh9744 Never considered werewolf. Will have to try that out thanks!
Spent 4 keys on scorn god damnit 😤
4 keys...I'm gutted lol
Same man. Got Zabu variant first, then tokens on the second. What a bummer
I faced these decks on infinite ladder today. Thanks for the cubes, I guess.
Let's nerf Sandman and release a bunch of good bounce cards. What can go wrong?
That zabu spotlight variant is an abomination. Absolute joke.
Elsa is not a bounce card ;)
🤣😂@the negative BP and Retreat.... Must be crap when you on the receiving end of that(all the while he basically "mocked you for bar sinister play" GG
2 ego matches in a row with toxin … goodbye 16 cubes
guess sandman is coming back then? oh they changed sandman, they might have to revert him back.
Not brutal so I guess we know the answer
Nice one❗
Please let us refund white widow
Why is he purple?
It's the new Thanos Filter
Silver sable simply isnt worth 6k tokens. Id like to see her go to 1-0 and become series 4
She is worth it tho…
She's the strongest 1-cost card beside spider-ham
of course she is worth it easily top 5, 1 cost card . I just hope she doesn't get nerfed because of her playrate she fits in many decks
No views in 1 min. Man fell off lol
Bounce is too much of a mental energy drain and just tiring to play. I know this card is insane but my lack of desire to play bounce and the horrible spotlight cache week makes it an easy skip for me. I would have to choose between Toxin or Fenris wolf for my use of tokens since I don't want to use keys on either week and Fenris is more my kind of card where it has high roll potential without having to do math every game with Bounce decks. I prefer high roll decks and anti-meta decks.