PiG, I appreciate your casts like this and explaining everything going on. If I were to just watch Serral's video, I'd be so lost from the insane APM he's able to achieve and constantly changing spots on the map. Thank you.
Im a masters zerg and its just mind boggling what they both do, but particularly for me since i play zerg, what serral does. It does not seem human what they do.
Serral's infestors seem really hard to deal with. You can see Clem is looking for them, scanning around his army, but serral hides them in the sickest of places like behind Clem's army.
@@nooonanoonung6237 I haven't played sc in a while, but I dont understand why terrans dont just use ravens more. It seems to be based on pure laziness, or an overreliance of scans (because it's easy), to not have at least a few ravens in your army at all times, especially lategame.
@@seag1492 Raven is slow, clunky, really hard to control, takes precedent in control group, needs starport + techlab. Terran has gas starvation until 4th base vs need to hit tight bio upgrade timings.
@@nooonanoonung6237 coincidentally, 4th base is about when you begin to see infestors if sufficient pressure has been applied to the zerg. Basically, as soon as the terran starts spamming CC's, they have no excuse not to have a tech lab starport.
@@N1rOx I suspect the micro is the real problem. The speed mismatch and lack of an auto-attack means adding a Raven to an army also adds a whole new layer of control, and what they're doing already is absolutely insane. However, I wonder if it would be reasonable for pros to use Ravens separately, in a kind of vision squad. If they put a Raven and a Banshee or two on another control group, they could use them to patrol behind the lines for burrowed units and maybe dive occasionally to clear Creep, keeping them away from the fighting and only having to micro them between engagements. It wouldn't completely replace scans, and it would be another thing they'd have to track, but it would make sharking around with Infestors a lot riskier and at least they wouldn't have to worry about pulling Ravens back while dodging Banelings with Marines. However, I'm the furthest thing from a pro at _SC2,_ so that might be even worse (it's basically trading increased APM for additional multitasking), and the new patch might make it a moot discussion, anyway.
2:10 Minimalistic is just Finnish homes in general. Yle Kioski (Finnish national broadcast company) did an interview on his setup when he won his world championship and he doesn't seem to need much. th-cam.com/video/mt6F3aoenGs/w-d-xo.html
Maybe Terrans do need to build raven(s). Yes, it hampers Terran's momentum by needing a starport with a tech lab + a couple -300 investments into a unit solely for detection, but unless the burrowed infestors start playing a role earlier, the game has probably progressed to the point where the Terran has already slowed down and is teching to a ghost ball (unless they're Clem and still doing non stop split pushes). Once corruptors are out to deal with libs as well, then the ravens might becomes a free -300 but then we just need to wait for the next patch to buff raven speed to be greater than corruptors :P Besides, Protoss would argue that a free -300 isn't as bad as a free -600. So not spotting burrowed infestors is just a skill issue. And Serral is a GOAT cause he's Vergil motivated.
Then give it an auto attack with a siege mode (like overseers and observers), buff their speed and lower their spell cast priority as if you select them in your army they take priority over other units abilities like steam/siege and ghosts, they are impossible to play right now.
People who say to build Ravens in TvZ = People who have never tried building Ravens in TvZ. The Venn diagram is literally a circle. Its unplayable, theyre so slow, too high attack priority, no auto attack, no siege mode, so expensive, etc
to get GM you need like around 30 games minimum for the season played so he probably just hasnt laddered as much, and also alot of Pros say they play 3 to 5 games a day and then just analyse themselves so serral is probably just below to game limit
If you dont know what youre talking about I would just not comment. These 2 players are the absolute best at their races. They are the 1% of the 1%. Serral potentially being the greatest player of all time. They both know if they mess up and lose any amount of edge in the start of the game they will just flat out lose the game. They are both so good they will exploit any amount of failure.
Clem is a beast, but Serral has no equal. I just watched a hilarious video from Artosis with him trying to argue the GOAT status of the GOAT with some completely bs logic and mental gymnastics. He is so butthurt that the Koreans are nowhere even close to the GOAT, and he still thinks that it's 2012-2016 and that GSL is relevant at this point...
Serval can't be the GOAT Hé never won any GSL, imagine in tennis never playing at wimbledon or something this is silly. I think he is the best plqyer SC2 ever had but it doesn't matter. Can't be the GOAT if you doesn't even have the best Palmarès that's what matter
Whenever I play random and I'm Zerg vs. Terran my morale goes to shits. It's a rly tough and stressful match but I'm shit in comparison to these guys. TvT isn't fun also. Rest is fun, even PvP.
@@N0noy1989 I was thinking about this question too and collected some data when lying sick in bed. And tbh the one coming close is Rogue, with Maru and Inno following closely. But there is undeniably no doubt, that Serral is the GOAT... his statistics are absolutely ridiculous.
If you like Point of View/ First Person videos, here's a whole playlist of them! th-cam.com/play/PLFUDU8AOevUfDTpAj-EDvihxLLkXPAE9E.html
"Serral what would you do if you were born one hundred years ago?"
Serral: "I would probably be a pig farmer. I like pigs :D"
Clem is a nutter, man chases down speed banes with marines, and the banes run for their lives.
Reminds me of Rorschach from the Watchmen, "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me"
@@bacon-SG Yeah! exactly.
PiG, I appreciate your casts like this and explaining everything going on. If I were to just watch Serral's video, I'd be so lost from the insane APM he's able to achieve and constantly changing spots on the map.
Thank you.
^ what this guy said for real
This is peak ZvT in sc2 history. It’s just non stop action with multiple simultaneous fights. I’m masters level and this play still blows my mind.
Im a masters zerg and its just mind boggling what they both do, but particularly for me since i play zerg, what serral does. It does not seem human what they do.
@@Intensi0ns And I feel like the higher skill you are, like Masters or GM, you can appreciate this level of skill even more. Just insane talent
@@____GoMeZ____ it's not talent. It's dedication and work. Word talent takes away from what they actually to do achieve it.
@@KulaGGin yea, but u need both, talent and hard work, to achieve this.
"This is so many units non stop...what the hell" 😂
Why is Clem zerging me!
Serral's infestors seem really hard to deal with. You can see Clem is looking for them, scanning around his army, but serral hides them in the sickest of places like behind Clem's army.
Probs need Raven, scanning and turrets aren't reliable enough
@@nooonanoonung6237 I haven't played sc in a while, but I dont understand why terrans dont just use ravens more. It seems to be based on pure laziness, or an overreliance of scans (because it's easy), to not have at least a few ravens in your army at all times, especially lategame.
@@seag1492 Raven is slow, clunky, really hard to control, takes precedent in control group, needs starport + techlab. Terran has gas starvation until 4th base vs need to hit tight bio upgrade timings.
@@nooonanoonung6237 coincidentally, 4th base is about when you begin to see infestors if sufficient pressure has been applied to the zerg. Basically, as soon as the terran starts spamming CC's, they have no excuse not to have a tech lab starport.
@@N1rOx I suspect the micro is the real problem. The speed mismatch and lack of an auto-attack means adding a Raven to an army also adds a whole new layer of control, and what they're doing already is absolutely insane.
However, I wonder if it would be reasonable for pros to use Ravens separately, in a kind of vision squad. If they put a Raven and a Banshee or two on another control group, they could use them to patrol behind the lines for burrowed units and maybe dive occasionally to clear Creep, keeping them away from the fighting and only having to micro them between engagements. It wouldn't completely replace scans, and it would be another thing they'd have to track, but it would make sharking around with Infestors a lot riskier and at least they wouldn't have to worry about pulling Ravens back while dodging Banelings with Marines.
However, I'm the furthest thing from a pro at _SC2,_ so that might be even worse (it's basically trading increased APM for additional multitasking), and the new patch might make it a moot discussion, anyway.
PiG, thanks for another great cast. Insane how you can follow so much going on and how fast Serral moves around and shifts the screen. Impressive.
Time for round 3, he met clem again at 21:48 @PiG
i like the informative narration you do in this game, so we have more refine knowledge on why the choose some actions.
Thank God I could see this. Now I can finally shut down my own brain about being a pro player. I couldn't even follow wtf was going on ❤😂
it’s oatmeal porridge for breakfast, and not all Finns’ minds are Serral’s ^_^
Seeeeeeeeeeerral 🐐
Serral is the Nadal of sc2
Very fun game, insane multitasking!
You ddirchy Youchubah, jokes aside thanks for a great content, really love ur casts
At that level, of course you'll re-match the same guy lol
Next patch coming guys - mine nerf, lib range nerf and infestor range buff - imagine beating serral tvz after that
I should have commented this on Friday, mutta hyvää syntymäpäivää ukkelille :)
On the the comment on Serrals background -- totally agree its a nice aesthetic. However, I do think Solar is the GOAT of backgrounds lol.
What is Solar's background?
ahhh, the bait form yesterday, sweet :)
would you cast some of his games vs heromarine?
2:10 Minimalistic is just Finnish homes in general. Yle Kioski (Finnish national broadcast company) did an interview on his setup when he won his world championship and he doesn't seem to need much.
th-cam.com/video/mt6F3aoenGs/w-d-xo.html
OK Heres the re-match. Just finished the original from yesterday so i didnt have to wait. Sucks to be yall.
* koff * Ravens * koff *
More seriously though, those infestor plays are sick ._.
Maybe Terrans do need to build raven(s). Yes, it hampers Terran's momentum by needing a starport with a tech lab + a couple -300 investments into a unit solely for detection, but unless the burrowed infestors start playing a role earlier, the game has probably progressed to the point where the Terran has already slowed down and is teching to a ghost ball (unless they're Clem and still doing non stop split pushes). Once corruptors are out to deal with libs as well, then the ravens might becomes a free -300 but then we just need to wait for the next patch to buff raven speed to be greater than corruptors :P Besides, Protoss would argue that a free -300 isn't as bad as a free -600.
So not spotting burrowed infestors is just a skill issue. And Serral is a GOAT cause he's Vergil motivated.
Then give it an auto attack with a siege mode (like overseers and observers), buff their speed and lower their spell cast priority as if you select them in your army they take priority over other units abilities like steam/siege and ghosts, they are impossible to play right now.
have you ever tried ravens vs zerg on late game?
don't answer if you are below master league please
Clem…playing marine medivac…again…
People who say to build Ravens in TvZ = People who have never tried building Ravens in TvZ. The Venn diagram is literally a circle. Its unplayable, theyre so slow, too high attack priority, no auto attack, no siege mode, so expensive, etc
Fastest like in the West
G.O.A.T
so what you are saying is, if you want your comeback, get it from dark.
Wait for neft marine n medivec, n ghost😂, let see how far clem can go
Build Ravens. Yes it's a TH-cam comment and yes it is correct, as usual.
what Iw ant to know is ... if Serral is rank 55.... who TF are the 54 ahead of him ?
Yeah pig serral is right beat to clem is hard
Im a bronze and i dont understand anything from this fight lol😆
Why is Serral at Master 1 with 7k MMR? Is the ladder still completely bugged?
to get GM you need like around 30 games minimum for the season played so he probably just hasnt laddered as much, and also alot of Pros say they play 3 to 5 games a day and then just analyse themselves so serral is probably just below to game limit
@@idreesnagassar7895 Ah, didn't know that, thanks.
you can also leave league@@idreesnagassar7895
Ой нет, только не клем
its terran that is ridiculous
All I c is tvz all the time..
Sc2 is not looking good. Going up to 5 base having hardly interacted with the opponent.
If you dont know what youre talking about I would just not comment. These 2 players are the absolute best at their races. They are the 1% of the 1%. Serral potentially being the greatest player of all time. They both know if they mess up and lose any amount of edge in the start of the game they will just flat out lose the game. They are both so good they will exploit any amount of failure.
Clem is a beast, but Serral has no equal.
I just watched a hilarious video from Artosis with him trying to argue the GOAT status of the GOAT with some completely bs logic and mental gymnastics.
He is so butthurt that the Koreans are nowhere even close to the GOAT, and he still thinks that it's 2012-2016 and that GSL is relevant at this point...
too scared to go to Korea and win a GSL but hes the GOAT, i get it
i found all the sexual idioms quite distracting/weird - i'm here for SC
you must be new here
SC and sexual idioms go hand in hand, my guy.
Clearly, you've never had a nydus in your main. 🗿
You're complaining about sexual idioms from a caster named "PiG"? My guy...
Serval can't be the GOAT Hé never won any GSL, imagine in tennis never playing at wimbledon or something this is silly.
I think he is the best plqyer SC2 ever had but it doesn't matter. Can't be the GOAT if you doesn't even have the best Palmarès that's what matter
honestly ZvT sucks ass
Whenever I play random and I'm Zerg vs. Terran my morale goes to shits. It's a rly tough and stressful match but I'm shit in comparison to these guys. TvT isn't fun also. Rest is fun, even PvP.
He is very good but not the GOAT
Then who is?
@@marcelbenner993Artosis is talkling about Rogue
Oh yeah? Who is better than him in SC2 history? None. Maru? Serral eats him alive even years back.
@@N0noy1989
I was thinking about this question too and collected some data when lying sick in bed. And tbh the one coming close is Rogue, with Maru and Inno following closely.
But there is undeniably no doubt, that Serral is the GOAT... his statistics are absolutely ridiculous.