The Outsiders Create Headaches For WWE *and* WCW | War Stories
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- War Stories - Episode 2: In February 1996, just one day after filming a vignette (that never aired) in which he challenged Goldust to a Miami Street Fight at WrestleMania 12, Scott Hall did something much more pointed - he faxed a letter to Vince McMahon, informing his boss of four years that he was giving his notice. Kevin Nash would soon follow, as both men made their way to WCW as The Outsiders...
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Scott Hall was 37 when he jumped back to WCW?!
Also, this was very well put together and a joy to watch!
Yea, back then wrestlers really didn’t get pushed til they were usually well into their 30s....bret, Shawn, razor, diesel, macho man, perfect, dibiase, honestly the list could go on and on, but basically what I’m saying is their really weren’t any 20somethings that had any real success in the business back then.
It was around 1984, when the wwf went national on cable, wrestlers would spend years wrestling in the many wrestling territories around North America. Plus you would tour Japan and Mexico. Big stars spent years trying to get to the wwf and wcw.
Yeah. I always thought it was funny that they portrayed Hall and Nash as the new young guys on the scene. How the hell can you be the new young guys on the scene when you’re pushing 40?
@@412StepUp at 42 myself I could probably only be called young against people like rick flair now. But back then harley race etc were the sort of age of established wrestler as back then you had to go thru years of wrestling to get recognised..
Only 20 something's in the 90s who won the WWE WCW title The Rock, Goldberg ,Paul wight the giant@@jeyDsixx18
It’s an often told story but Sam just brings back to life with his passion and knowledgeable commentary. Love this series.
I just started this channel I used to watch/hate a bit of what coulture wrestling which was fucking bad but this one seems much better.
Whatcultre who?
It’s gonna be great to see and hear the one they do for AEW in a few years. I’d say 2 maybe 3 years.
Gotta admit bro. As a teen in the 90s I have follwed this story 1 million times over. But you somehow someway made me feel like I was watching this story unfold for the 1st time. Amazing job. And btw I just farted.
Did you get touched as a kid? I was. I loved it.
Yuuuuup. I agree with you 💯%
By the way you are a hilarious, legend! My ribs are aching with the laughter😄
Came back to watch this after learning the news they were going to take Hall off of life support. A true game changer of the business and an inspiration in real life. Too sweet to you Mr. Hall.
This guy has the perfect documentary voice. His pitch, pacing, and cadence are all top notch. These War Stories are excellent!
Great format, i'm very intriged by "the philly indy war" episode, hopefully coming out soon, i've never heard of it
Same
Yeh me too can't wait for that one.
Ok so what it was back in 2002 after the tragic Death of ECW a vacuum was opened and many companies popped up and tried to fill the void the main three companies where COMBAT ZONE WRESTLING,XPW and ROH many failed and just faded away into the sunset only CZW and Ring of Honor survived the bloodbath
@@kyleshiflet9952 ok i knew that many companies popped up at that time, but i personally would not call it a "war"
@@grimbelfix2648 oh it was some companies tried sabatoge the compition it was messy paying wrestlers to no show events running shoes on the same day
May 27 Scott Hall Invades WCW
June 23 Austin 3:16 promo
July 7 Hogan turns heel
Three of the most important moments of wrestling came from a short timespan in 1996
‘96 was certainly an interesting time for wrestling. WWF is in that strange transitional period between New Generation and Attitude Era, Bret Hart was still kicking with Vince and Stone Cold had just turned heel and won King of the Ring, Vader was in the WWF, The NWO formed, and ECW was in full swing as well.
Greatest year in wrestling history
Those are really important, there’s another series of events that happened within a short period of time as well;
November 9, 1997-Montreal
December 28 1997-Starrcade Hogan-Sting with the fucked finish and Bret Hart debut as referee.
May 17 1998- Outsiders split
This series of events shows wcw’s inability to see the big picture or ever give the fans what they want.
They are glaring highlights from a pile of shit 96 was
@@robbiesilverwolf 1996 was what i would call extremely uneven. There are some GREAT moments by the guys at the top of the card. But the industry was going through a bit of an independent and international revolution at the time. WCW had changed itself completely within 2 months of the NWO forming at Bash at the Beach. WWF was a lot slower to change, but going into 1997 wwf had significantly increased it’s quality as well. So while you’re not wrong that there was a ton of awful bullshit in 1996 there was also a lot of really good and interesting developments happening that set the stage for both big brands to put out the collective best year in wrestling ever in 1997.
thats the first time id ever heard "the bad guy and axel"
Me too, and I’ve listened to just about every shoot interview done by the main players.
the nWno
I love the fact Scott Hall allegedly called Rick Bogner and offered to sell him some of his old Razor Ramon Outfits 😆
Like the seriousness and matter of factness of presentation without the typical snark and quips/jokes of other videos
Oh okay! I thought the titles that came out in the intro were the only videos that are gonna be uploaded but the fact that those appearing in the intro are not the only ones has be excited! Absolutely this series already!
That unintended long-term strategy just bled the WCW long term, love it. I still miss the Monday night wars though
You never want to mess with wwe lawyers lol, they don't always win but they do bleed you dry.
@@pooldead7712 You make them sound like vampires.
Scott hall jumping the guard rail was epic one of the best times in professional wrestling
My new favorite wrestling series!
Great work Sam!
❤
@J Pennington That one is a true masterpiece
Your my favourite Mary 😘
I second that emotion
Having Sam do these was a great idea! He has the perfect voice for it
Look at the adjective!
I'm really glad that Sam got a series where he can shine. This really fits him, the voice, the calm and slow presentation, hit the nail on the head.
There was so much more to it though! AOL and Time Warner did not want to have anything more to do with pro wrestling even though it became a huge part of NWA/WCW and recent years TNT!
Blame the changing management when Time Warner bought Turner Broadcasting in 1996. Things were changing and not in a good way.
The way you guys are telling these war stories are captivating and raw. Sam bang up job 👌🏽
Easily the best series on this channel.everything is perfect. Please, do not change a thing
Loving this new series, learning so much. Sam is great as a narrator, Awesome!
I dont think Hall and Nash were sent by Vince to kill WCW, however, I am sure both men had some kind of deep seated loyalty to Vince and didn't care much for WCW as a whole. They were there and took whatever they could most likely knowing WCW would falter. So maybe indirectly yes, they went there to kill it, but not on Vince's call.
Looking back on the nWo promo's, man they would bury WcW HARD, I look back and Im like man I kinda believe they were sent there to destroy.
No surprise given the bad gimmicks they had in their first WCW runs.
That clause in the settlement insisted on by WWE was some serious long term vision that they really benefitted from. Not just in terms of buying their competition, but the with the WCW library in their hands it set WWE off in a buying spree of old libraries from other promotions effectively making them the owners of Professional Wrestling's history. Now these libraries are a big part of their WWE Network.
That's some great foresight on WWE's part.
Wwe bought what many people saw as worthless junk and turned them into a literal gold mine that they still make a lot of money from to this very day.
Loved this video. Very well put together and the music was the cherry on top. Can't wait to see other " War Stories"
That sad song in the bg on loop is making me depressed lol. Other than that I absolutely loved this video. Liking this new series.
I they're going for a MoneyBall type feel. Its working tho , gripping stuff.
The new graphics/stock footage throw me off when used in lists (because my brain has been conditioned over the years to expect slide shows), but they are used to great effect on these videos. Kudos to Sam and the editing team.
The first 2 years of the nWo were incredible they had gotten so cool with hall, nash, and syxx having so much swagger. The hip hop element they had in their style was so over. Some crowds refused to boo them. Hogan kept them hated enough they stayed heels until the Nash broke away and formed nWo wolfpac. Scotts debute followed by nash had me glued to nitro wondering who the 3rd man was, and then at bash at the beach hogan turns and trash was thrown and i was shocked
Scott is forever the Bad Guy. You will be missed you legend.
I've always been a fan of Hall and Nash. Hall especially could talk and have great matches. I wish the later part of his career had gone better
One of my favourite series right now, Good job Sam!
10:39 WCW, represented by attorney Mick Foley and co-counsel Fold N. Chair..."
WTF?!!!
And it looked like the opposition was represented by deep pan vader and co- counsel dom in os. Vader was an awesome talent, especially for someone of his size..
you guys are worth out of that one of the best wrestling channels I'm still shocked to see that you guys still haven't hit that one meal yet keep it up you guys will definitely get there you guys are by far if not the best definitely one of them you deserve more credit
They tend not to favour a show that's why.
Uhh so this settlement... Bischoff didn't know about it when he tried to revive WCW did he
WWF made an initial bid to buy WCW before Bischoff but it didn't go anywhere. McMahon basically wanted Nitro's TBS slot and Spike, who broadcast Raw, said no and threatened to sue over exclusivity for WWF product in the Monday timeslot.
@@MantisCFS Nitro was on TNT. Thunder was on TBS
I think because Bischoff planned his revival before the "liquidation" it didn't matter. WCW would have taken a mini break before coming back but because the douche cancelled it outright causing Bischoff's backers to pull out, the liquidation then happened
To answer the question at the end: yes, we can certain that hall and nash werent sent to wcw by vince to kill it. Because, to put in the simplest of terms, wwf lost so much during those 2 years, shareholders would never allow that, and it would have come out by now.
However the argument can be made for vince sending russo to wcw to kill it, that makes more sense
0:25 at first glance I really thought whats Hornswoggle doing there?
hey sam keep this series going, it's amazing so far!
This stuff was the talk of school Tuesday mornings. Professional wrestling became cool for everyone.
Love the music. Great video, Sam!
Incredible work, Sam!
You should do a video investigating the conspiracy that WWF sent Vince Russo to sabotage WCW.
Vince McMahon: "Dude you fucking suck. Go ruin WCW."
Vince Russo: "Okay, bro."
@@zanon__ Sounds about right. XD
Vince Russo came to WCW in 1999, at a time when WCW'S fortunes were already failing, and proceeded to put out one stupid idea after another...which eventually killed WCW. To this day, I'm still of the belief that Vince Russo was a hired hand, sent straight from Vince McMahon, to kill off WCW. I'm also thinking that Hall & Nash had something to do with it too, but, if they did, they'll probably take their secret to the grave with them. Who knows? I wonder if Hogan was involved in all of this? There seems to be a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing.
@@ronaldshank7589 I seriously doubt that Hall, Nash, and Hogan were inside jobs, especially with the paychecks they were getting from Billionaire Ted. Also, let's not forget how much Hogan hated Russo to the point when he sued WCW for defamation after the pinfall incident with Jeff Jarrett.
@@areasevenpro Hogan and Russo...I don't know which one's telling the truth about what happened, concerning Hogan's departure from WCW. One says one thing, the other says something else. There's definitely some ambiguity there.
Who could’ve known that this move would give WCW an unprecedented 83 week winning run, but would ultimately end WCW, and lead to Vince buying them. Eric had the golden goose, then he went too far and killed it.
Hope ye do one on Terry Taylor. He went back and forth between companies many times during the 90s/early 00s
I love this new series
Who told Kevin Nash that wearing a baseball cap for his first appearances on Nitro would look cool? 😂
MORE OF THIS PLEASE
There needs to be a film based on the Monday night wars...
A legit Hollywood film about those years would make SO MUCH damn money, and probably win an award or two, IF done right,
WCW should have walked into the court with footage of Scott Hall doing his diamond stud gimmick and then demanded WWF pay them for all the money they made off Razor Ramon
Even as a child, when Hall jumped the guardrail and they gave him a microphone instead of tackling him, I knew he was working for WCW.
I mean any child would have lol its tv not real life.
You shoukd do videos on the Territories. Your videos are really good. And I like these older ones a lot of people do. And miss old wrestling. From the 90s and under
Bravo. Great video put together. I've always felt the same way in my gut Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were sent to do that
Bischoff in WCW:
Sour grapes for not getting hired by WWE after the infamous broom promo/screen test.
No sour grapes, as Eric made VASTLY more money in WCW.
So... WCW tried to run an invasion angle years before the WWE...
If there's a part 2 of a video, can you please include a link to part 1 in the description? Thank you.
i love this playlist. Hope you make more episodes in the future.
Geez, I never realized Hall was 37 in 1996. Wow, he's 61 years old this year..
To that last question about Vince sending Hall and Nash to Atlanta to kill WCW, I say no. Both brands were not doing well. Vince had the better product but they weren’t getting paid well enough. The ratings between RAW and Nitro in early 1996 were almost a wash and didn’t go in WCW’s favor until Hall and Nash jumped ship.
When a wrestler left though Vince always told them to say he offered so much to get a better deal from wcw though, he had a plan that's for sure.
Another amazing video, keep up the great work dudes
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING NEW SERIES! Thanks guys. Keep up the great work.
Love these shows!
THIS SERIES IS GREAT!!!
I can't wait for the next.
Now I don't have to watch wrestling doco's on that shit Wrestlelamia channel anymore.
Keep it up!!!
John Wigmore+ I could tell you not a fan of wrestlelamia
This was fascinating
Holy shit! Imagine a STING x UNDERTAKER match in mid 90’s
Amazing video!!
Nice to get the background story to this
Sam, do you have a schedule as to when these videos would debut? Love the work you put it! I could binge watch it. Lol Looking forward to episode 3.
10:00 is that the Wrestlemania 23 music!
You left out that when WWE finally used the nWo after owning the trademark, that Vince alluded to them going to WCW under his command.
Glen Jacobs as Big Daddy Cool and the other clown as Razor Ramon was ridiculous at best.
Since Vince couldnt keep up, he decided to open the curtain and expose the entire business killing the mystique, the tradition and destroy the entire pro wrestling business.
The business been exposed it was exposed in the 60s all the way to the eighties
Good stuff, more like this!
I remember watching Nitro Live as a teenager and it was kinda lame until I saw Hall come down the stairs through the crowd and I had a WTF??! moment before WTF was even a thing. It was so fricken unexpected my eyes were glued to Monday Nitro every week because I didn't know what to expect.
Not quite as solid as the Luger episode. Perhaps because I knew most of the backstory with this situation. But keep these coming, love the format.
These are so good. 👍
Can't help but respect Hall and Nash, they were just going where the money was and ended up revolutionizing the business as a result. It's up for debate how much credit they deserve, but they were right in the middle of it and were just raking in the cash.
Matt Hydra respect my ass they effectively killed a wrestling company and put guys out of work, which led to Vince monopolizing the industry and the downfall of the mainstream appeal of pro wrestling
I didn’t know about Steve Corino... Was I the only one?
Thanks Sam, great episode. I subscribed just for this series.
I started watching the Monday Night Wars, (just got WWE Network) they literally reiterate this part in every episode, I don’t even mind hearing it again, Sam’s voice is encapsulating
What’s said is anyone under 25 really has no clue how popular wrestling was at one point.
If true , that's a hell of a long term planning by Vince
Vince also told the wrestlers that left to tell qcq he offered so much so they get more money in wcw, I do think vince had some sort of plan.
The "WE" must of been over my head because I always thought that he meant the Royal "WE"....
Is it really considered "poaching" if they're just buying assets from a company that's gone bankrupt and is liquidising...? Isn't that just..... "purchasing" at that point?
Love this
Fantastic series Sam. I'm really enjoying this a lot.
Love this series
Despite all of this, what ultimately was WCW's fall was the merger between Time Warner and AOL. The one who kept WCW alive was Ted Turner.
No lie just started watching this and i enjoy it goes into detail about it and not speaking on bs just facts thsr u can look up for oneself
The WWF was being petty with their lawsuit
Right. Anything WWE claimed as intellectual property, pertaining to Scott Hall was totally bogus. Everything about Razor Ramone, was actually the intellectual property of Hall, and an extension of his personality and the former Diamond Stud persona. The trademark hair, toothpick and swagger- all Hall/Page. WWE didn't have a leg to stand on with their frivolous lawsuit against Turner/TBS/WCW.
If anything, Hall could have sued WWE for stealing his intellectual property when they tried to portray Kane as a fake Razor.
Since WCW and ECW went out of business the wrestling world has been suffering TNA and ROH tried but they made too many mistakes as for AEW this is me but they haven't learn from the same mistakes that those past companies have committed
Ecw wouldn't of lasted either way, wcw biggest mistake was going head to head even though it was fun,ROH is suffering because aew took most there talent,impact mistake was going head to head with wwe, aew should be fine along as they don't go head to head with wwe.
@Pooldead+ nah aew ain't perfect bcuz guess what they are repeating the same mistakes that both WCW and tna made they signing WWE rejects their ratings are trash have you seen their ratings
@@georgebrice8329 they been around 2-3 years 🤣, they also cater to a certain type of audience and if tnt are happy with the ratings then like I said they should be fine as long as they done go head to head, ratings don't equal quality as well, wwe have proven that for a long while, aew are doing what any company would do, they also not rejects just because wwe didn't want them or the wrestlers them self decided to leave, both tna and wcw did something that they shouldn't of done and that was hire hogan, aew have learned from there mistakes and never gunna hire him.
Poolhead+ they not fine with it they giving em pity deals if they doing well how come dynamite is on Turner lower rated ratings channel TBS BTW I respect WCW and TNA at least they had balks guess what they whoop WWE ass for 83 weeks WCW did that made WWE step it up became the attitude Era AEW they not alright they talked about WWE constantly yet don't have the balls they are 🐱 they failures so they failures you live in fantasy I live in reality
The Monday Night War go into these in lots more detail, it’s worth the subscription to the Network on its own...these are extremely decent though
Wait steve corino.
Like the steve corino?
Creator of the carino virus?
Lol
You must be a booker for ECW. That's just the kind of finisher name they would have come up with. Love it!
this series is awesome and well done! im glad yous are doing it and not name redacted who would only make sex jokes and half ass it , or say WHY? HERES WHY!
Cool series. I also highly recommend WresteLamia's Behind the Titantron series.
So it looks like im a yr late on here and the 83 weeks series with Eric Bischoff and Conrad & ive seen on Grillin w/Jim Ross a yr ago that he touches on alot of these Monday night War Stories as Ive also started checking out The Jim Cornette Experience & I've heard him touch on ALOT of these issues as well but something about seeing the visuals on here takes me RIGHT back to 5th-8th grade when FOR ME all of this was going on and I didnt even realize from home watching all this stuff happen live what was really going on cuz I was too young to understand and I wasn't 1 of the "dirt sheet" kids or what ever else I hear ppl like Jim Cornette and Chris Jericho call SMARKS etc.. So it's pretty nostalgic and im loving the SHIT out of all these
To me I found this kind of funny, I don’t know why, but Scott Hall and Kevin Nash leaving WWF for WCW made Scott Hall and Kevin Nash made wrestling more popular by just showing up on WCW Nitro, and not even having to steps in the ring for the first two months, and this might be only me, but when it comes to American wrestling storylines are more important than the in ring product if you want the mainstream watching, but that might just be me.
Waiting for the War Stories playlist
Damn Razor was already 37 when he went to WCW damn I thought he was younger
WWE ended up getting the last laugh when WCW went to shit after the turn of the new millennium, which is the irony of this whole tale.
If Vince played his cards right, WWE and WCW could both have made mad money by having an annual WWE/WCW supercard having the biggest stars of WWE going against the best of the WCW. could have been a yearly gig with storylines built to promote 6 months leading up to it. Would have been as big as Wrestlemania is, i'd bet.
Bigger than Wrestlemania*
I fucking love these! Keep them coming!!
Does anyone else think that instead of Sean Waltman, that dibiase and the giant should have been inducted with the nwo? (No disrespect intended to waltman or Eric who some also feel should be also)