Time Team S06E08 ReedhamMarshes,. Norfolk
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- In February 1944, two American 'Flying Fortresses' crashed into each other only a few miles from their home base, on their way back from a bombing raid over Germany.
One of the aircraft tumbled into in a marsh at Reedham in Norfolk - killing all 10 of the crew - and gradually became buried in the peat. The incident was forgotten until a group of aviation enthusiasts attempted to raise the 30-ton plane in the 1970s.
Three decades later, their leader contacted Time Team who, on their arrival, were faced with excavation techniques that were like nothing they had experienced before.
From the cold open to the closing credits, the tone of this episode is entirely different from that of other episodes. The Team recognized that close relatives of the deceased pilots and crews are still around, so their usual light-hearted banter would be completely out of order. I think the Team is to be congratulated on their tact and empathy.
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That lady that painted the nose art is a treasure! She painted what the men wanted. Not what her own sensibilities told her.
Mr Spangler is a wonder that he can remember all those parts encrusted with mud after so much time has passed. Amazing the ingenuity of humanity that just 30 years before we were flying in balsa wood constructions. As a USAF vet my heart squeezes at the terror these fellow young airmen must have experienced. We'll never forget. Thanks for this posting.
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Was NOT expecting this, but so glad that THIS dig was important enough for Time Team to do, to honor the ones that died on this day. Great Job! Like most, My father served in WW2, and Both of my husband's Parents served in ww2 as well. God bless all that served and gave their lives..seeing the remains of personal effects, made me cry..thinking he was SO close to coming home... So close. I Love all the other dig, but THIS One, stays close to my heart.
Again, the greatest generation ❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼
This was an exceptionally well made episode, with actual uniform parachute, the actual plane, museum visit, the old repair dude Mr Bob, and even the decal painting lady. Well done.
My dad worked on the cargo planes and the big fortress planes during World War II and Korea. Thank you so much for serving mates! Cheers!
Tragic. Spatial disorientation in IFR conditions has actually remained a classic cause of aircraft accidents to this day. It happens quite easily, as your sense of equilibrium isn't terribly reliable and there is quite a number of flight paths that _feel_ like they're straight and level yet are anything but. One turn of the head may do. If you are accelerating you would think you're going up and have a tendency to push the nose down - and that may well have been how it all started, accelerating after securing the engine trying to catch back up. Did I mention that _get-there-itis_ is another classic?
Flight instruments have much improved since then but it's no use if the pilot thinks he knows better. If you are flying blind, you have to blindly trust the instruments. Those used to flying by visual cues can have a hard time accepting that, more so in a stressful situation where the basic instincts kick in.
These brave men (American, British and Commonwealth) are the reason we are here today. Can you imagine what it must have been like though, 18/19/20 years old and fighting for your life. It must have been so scary. I for one am extremely proud of all of them and will be for as long as I live. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart
The greatest generation 🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️
Thank you Time Team for the respectful way you presented your interpretation of the evidence of this tragic event. These men not only sacrificed their lives for their country, but a common cause.
The way they altered the music at the closing credits was quite respectful.
My great Uncle Jack, Lt. John E Epps, was a bomber on the other plane piloted by Capt Hutchison. He is in the picture on the far left at 8:32. I am thankful to find this video. And very interested in the research that was done previously on the other plane (Capt Hutchison's plane) and mentioned in the beginning of this video.
I am so sorry. My great uncle Earl was shot at Normandy...were lucky enough to get him back.
PS-he was a great looking guy...they were soooo close too!
This whole video, and that photograph must be precious to your whole family.
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This episode was so sad. All those poor boys almost home. I will be praying for them tonight, even though they have probably been in Heaven for a long time now. thanks All of Time Team for a very respectful episode.
Jeez...this one got me..a real heart-squeezer..
My father was a navigator/ pilot from 1039-1945. He flew with the RAF, night raids.A young man casting himself the jaws hell. He claimed he only had nightmares for 17 years but I think the nightmares till the day he died. RIP William.
That was such a sweet and caring thing to do to have Miss Gordon paint the Memorial for the crews. It was sad but a noble thing for these brave young men.
Id love it if they started their digs again. We have finally reached a point that people want to know where we came from, who we are, our backgrounds. If they did it worldwide, that would be something !
@FESERFACE That comment tells me your intelligence level isnt.
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Your comment suggests that yours isn't either, hence the question. Your response made as much sense as your OP = 0. Archaeologists and historians have been piecing our global history together for centuries. Who we are and where we come from isn't a mystery unless you're still a clueless kid struggling to make it through grade school...or you're suggesting something 'otherworldly' like descendants of aliens. In which case, I would suggest not quite so much wake and bake and no more History channel.
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Also Time Team members and the producer have been buying up and posting the episodes under their own site in HD so people can watch them freely and in order on either site. It's nice to have them labelled by season so you can watch not only the changing of time with the experts and others involved but also how archaeological information and methods have changed over the two decades it aired.
th-cam.com/channels/vmEISc6e4tLwn8TyS14ncw.html
They have even began taking donations to do other digs with the added benefit of more time to dig and accurately convey information about the site. So far they have funding for two digs and have one ready to go soon.
th-cam.com/channels/vmEISc6e4tLwn8TyS14ncw.html
th-cam.com/channels/DvcavTI2xgfXZdF9MaPKIQ.html
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What a wonderful artist lady!
John Gaiter's geo-phys printouts would make great modernist paintings.
Great and fitting memorial. Thanks, Brits.
I suddenly had something in my eye when they brought in the artist to recreate the picture on the plane. That was wonderful.
No, thank you and thank you too your fellow countrymen for their supreme sacrifice.
17:33 I inherited my grandpa’s harmonica that he took to England with him as was a radioman on a B-17. He only ever talked about his service in very vague terms, but I know he was traumatized so badly by his experiences, what we now call PTSD, that for months, the military had him take care of horses when he came home. With a 50% chance of not coming home, he saw heavy fighting and I’m sure lost many, many friends.
It’s weird, but it seems like that might be him...but I can’t tell for certain.
And “60 liters a second” makes me think of my other grandpa at the pub. ;)
🍻🇺🇸 🇮🇪 for my grandpas...
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Horses and dogs can do wonders for folks with PTSD.
Thank-you for the wonderful music accompanying this episode...very appropriate.
Enjoying this series so much. Thank you for posting it!
this one makes me cry, Dad was a pilot, in WWII, Mom lost her first husband, he was army,her brother was airman lost in Holland.
22:0 -- I'm touched at how the guys asked Annie Gordon to paint things on their planes -- and that they were kind not to ask for anything too racy or extreme. The thoughtfulness of that is sweet. ❤ Despite Tony's comment that she was "a painter of naked women," she appears not to have done very much of that in fact thanks to the thoughtfulness of the flyers.
I have such a contact with this episode my uncle was a RAF bomber pilot and celebrated his 100 birthday this year. So many young men did not survive but we need o remember their sacrifice.
What a wonderful memorial.
A great episode!
I wish I had known about this program from the begining. I wonder who the 21st man was . . . a photographer documenting the 25th mission possibly ?
Archaeologist here. I'm envious at the way the late Prof. Mick Aston handled these good-for-nothing looters. I have not such patience for these types. Phil knows what he's doing and they asked for the help of an archaeological team, not heavy equipment operators. Bunch of dishonest wankers. Plus, these plane parts may still very well belong to the US Government and not legal to own - US Navy vessels remain under the ownership of the US until they are officially de-commissioned, no matter where in the world they are located. What this archaeological site isn't is a free source of WW2 plane parts for looting collectors who want a piece for their mantels - or to sell on eBay or auction off the the highest bidder at an aviation show. What an embarrassment, and "Aviation Historian" Ian McLachlan needs to find something else to do with his time - he's a putz.
Agree wholeheartedly on the "enthusiasts" - is it any surprise archaeologists don't want to work with them. There they were trying to tell Mick and Phil how to do the job when they had already looted the site 20 years earlier; they knew two propellers had been taken, and knew where they were taken from - that would have been helpful on day one, instead of letting time team go at the site blindly. These "enthusiasts" and their dishonesty cost two days worth of digging. I would bet Phil, Mick and Tony had some choice words for them off camera.
@@petertoney8963 At least the propellers were put in a museum not sold on or hung over someones mantle piece. 20 years ago they probably thought that if they didn't shift them out of that bog someone else would.
I am American. I love Time Team. I’m not as hard on the guy that dug up the propellers as others here. He didn’t keep them to decorate his den. He took them to a museum where other people could see them and learn their history. He may not have known the Time Team was specifically looking for propellers, as they would have talked among themselves, but not discussed what they were looking for with the enthusiasts.
Patti Messenger Same here. It seems like they knew they had limited resources and wanted to utilize Time Team as efficiently as possible. And at only 80 years ago, it wasn’t as if they were digging up a Roman villa in Yorkshire or an early Bronze Age village in the Hebrides.
Agreed, Ian and friends should have been told to bugger off in no uncertain terms.
Really interesting -- nice to see inside one of these huge airplanes.
Dawn Albright they are tight
Interesting that they said an artifact came from Inglewood, California. My grandfather was in the aviation industry all his adult life and my grandmother worked during world war II testing flight canopies for fighter planes. They were from Inglewood, I wonder if the bomber was one of theirs...
Inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi Raaji'oon. 'To God we belong and to Him is our return.' May God be pleased with them and comfort their family.
Always a good idea to have a trench on your blob, Tony! Excellent episode!
Dad was a tail gunner on the B 17s.
It's horrifying and painfully unbelievable how those unfortunate two planes and their crews ended up drawing the shortest straw out of a haystack of all possible circumstances. To survive the war and return from all their missions in good health, and then die like this, on the way home, it's just so unfair.
The greatest generation ❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼
I had an uncle who was comming home from the war on foot and a tree fell on him killing him 50 km from home
The problem with traditional archeology on a site like this is there is no question on what will be found. It is a crashed airplane and just a crashed airplane and the time and date of the crash is known. Slowly digging a site with a trowel is working on the unknown to figure it out and get chronological stages within hundreds of years or more. Not needed for a site that is chronologically seconds and is known. Then the whole wreckage of the plane was shifted about and dug through to remove the bodies so the whole site cannot be reconstructed in chronological order. In a case like this just going fast and getting the parts out is more beneficial than going slow because going slow won't find any new insights.
Is it just me or did these "enthusiasts" just recruit TT to aid their ghoulish trophy hunting expedition? They suddenly remember on day 3 that they'd already taken the propellers??? I bet Mick & Co. regretted getting roped into this.
My Father was a B-17 pilot in England during WWII...he loved the plane but said they could be horrifying.
Note: An unchambered round, if set off, will not "shoot" the bullet. But, rather, will just explode out the side of the case. Not super dangerous... merely slightly dangerous.
Absolutely correct...pity some people get spooked over nothing at all.
A .50 caliber round is a large round, with a fair amount of gunpowder inside it. If it were to detonate in someone's hand or within a foot or so of someone, it could potentially turn the round and casing into shrapnel and cause fairly serious injury. Basically, it would be a small bomb. If you were holding it, they could even take a hand. Imagine holding an M80 firecracker when it explodes. Then imagine that M80 being encased in metal. It would not be a good day for you.
You're correct that the projectile would not have the same power or velocity as it would if fired from the barrel of a gun. But don't be fooled into thinking that they couldn't cause severe injury, ultimately disfiguring or even killing a person.
Warren Pease? Warren Pease... Warren... Pease...
Huh. Rings a bell...
Great episode, would have loved to see if the machine guns still fire.
Not if they turn them over to the military...
+Chubachus Or return them to the US military.
Very similar here in the Netherlands, from the swampy ground to the wreckage.
The best thing about this dig is the sense of shock and grief that the TT crew all exhibit. Anyone notice at 10:58 Carenza offering to help the RAF guy out of the trench (Lol just like a mom)? Is the digger driver at 12:30 our first view of the Ian who was in so many digs, usually wearing a starched white shirt? I agree that the "enthusiasts" did a lot of disservice to the cause of truth.
I don't even know why Carenza was at this site other than taking it upon herself to constantly interrupt professionals while they were trying to explain something...she's only interested in the sound of her own voice and having the camera on centered on her.
@@OUigot The more you post, the more ignorant and stupid you come across.
This is so extremely sad. RIP, men.
Nice memorial R.I.P.
We call them the greatest generation for a reason. Some young men, my father in law included, lied about their age just so they could go fight! 💪🏼
My late father spent most of his war duty at an air base in England. He was a teletype operator, and apparently sent in reports to headquarters. He had volunteered the day after Pearl Harbor to fight the Japanese, but ended up in quite a safe assignment. He told me that he saw many bombers get back to the base after a bombing run, and then crash at the runway, killing all aboard. He had a friend who had to stay in a small shed near the runway on cold, wet nights, and he wasn't home for many years before he died from the exposure. I wish I knew where the base was - I don't think he ever told me.
Idk about any of the European countries, but here in the states, you could easily find out what base he was at. It's all a matter of public record. I won't lie and say that I know what the proper channels would be. Howevet, you could find the proper channels and departments to contact to get access to said information. You could fairly easily obtain a copy of his entire military record, if you so choose. Getting started would be as simple as a Google search to learn who to contact or possibly just contact your local recruiting office. I would imagine they could tell you who to contact.
This resonatos with the WWII plane crashes within a couple of kilometers from our home in Wevelgem, Belgium.
I have great respect for Mick and Phill. However, I think they can see that this particular dig isn't like their normal digs.
Excellent.
R.I.P fellas. Sad.
My dad was probably on base when this happened. He was with the army air corps with the Allied Forces during WWII and Korea.
Very sad. Especially this Veterans Day 2018.
This was the saddest episode of Time Team that I've ever seen...
They tried to find the plane for 3 days, and only on the last day, this „enthusiast“ came clean and said he already dug out the propellers? Seriously?!
Love this one
Seems the "airplane fan-boys" only wanted Time Team's "free" mechanical labor so they could SALVAGE aircraft parts and pieces for their collections. It appears the "aircraft enthusiasts" had no real interest in the archeology and only feigned interest as to the cause of the accident for a chance to salvage FREE bits and pieces. Over glorified self absorbed scrap monkeys..@ 15:20 "I'm a bit concerned about the speed" Well you had 50 years to rip it out of the ground yourselves. I like and respect all the members of Time Team, so I'll refrain from expressing my harsh opinion of those ungrateful aircraft scrap mongers in the manner I think would be considered more truthful...But if I'd been Phil or Mick I would have told the scrap monkeys to piss off..
+CompetitiveAudio First of all, under no circumstances could this be called typical archaeology. If they had gone at it with trowels, they would have found nothing but ammunition in the 3 days they were there. Nor is there any reason whatsoever to go at it in that slow way -- it's not like they are trying to preserve strata or look for bits of pot to date the age of the crash.
I would actually turn what you said around: the research before the dig seems uncharacteristically sloppy. How is it that they were looking for the propellers until day 3, when it turns out two of the propellers are in a local museum? I would have expected a few well-placed phone calls to have uncovered this BEFORE they arrived on site. Such late discoveries may add to the drama, but they can waste precious time and resources.
+christosvoskresye If you were paying attention, you would have known the 'fan boys' KNEW the props were missing as THEY had removed them previously or at least had that information but neglected to mention that fact as they wanted FREE resources, manpower and equipment provided by Time Team. The fact they were less than forthcoming with that bit of information speaks volumes..
CompetitiveAudio They knew from the beginning that much of the plane had been removed already. There is no evidence that any of this information was "withheld" -- that comes from your imagination. Have fun adding all the make-believe details you want.
+christosvoskresye Sorry you are butt-hurt over this. Enjoy your angst..
+CompetitiveAudio Not all salvagers are as greedy as these, TT should have agreed to help if only everything they found went to a museum. Those wrecks are valuable for both british and american history and shouldnt be just auctioned off.
I'm wondering if the Captain Pease in this video is the man for whom Pease Air Force Base in New Hampshire is named.
Utterly shocked that they didn't invite the people who do this for a living!
i think i liked the part with the woman painting best
Nick's through sound about right and wouldn't the military it's self do its own investigation too amd take parts to do that ?
Single gun M2? Why not waist Gunner? No mount?
Greatest generation. Kids nowadays are nothing like those courageous young men. ='[.]'=
@FESERFACE Says the guy with a playlist on TH-cam with every video removed for hate speech violations. Nice. =^[.]^=
well that's a bit silly isnt' it - to have to reconstruct the scenario? what about the crew of the third plane that survived - surely someone made a statement about what actually happened?
Well they did. Did you watch the whole video? They interviewed 2 of the crew members from the 3rd aircraft by phone.
ah okay thanks - i must have missed that bit (on the phone perhaps?)
The third plane was shot down two days later? One man killed and the rest captured. That was in this episode.
This was an absolutely excellent series. And what the hell is a loit?
TPHVICTIMS I think it’s Phil-speak for ‘light’. 👍🏻
So, they destroyed the Diepolz Aircraft depot.
Greetings from Diepholz, today!
How's the depot today? 😉
@@franksmith7247 It was rebuild and has an aircraft and helicopter service facility.
Was here in October 31 2019
If anyone was ever in doubt - 'aircraft enthusiasts' is code for 'wankers'.
I wish half these ppl weren't so damned pushy and pompass would make this more enjoyable.
2:33 those online players and His A Y S U M maneuvers
16.10 buzzards waiting for the victim ,plane, to die.
i think those - enthusiasts - in their -greed - to find something, or to NOT come forward right away that they had found the one propeller, did, while maybe not intentionally, a lot of unnecessary hold up and not needed digging and searching. Time Team is not some -black digger outfit-, out for glamour and glory and parts to sell on the black market. i think ony and the team have proven that over and over . and for sure they were not looking for ratings and clicks and likes and looks...sad that some people back then did not understand that.
32:21 Is that a bird nonchalantly chilling as the digger scoops away the patch of ground it's on? 😅😂
Horrible scavengers the lot of those "enthusiasts "
maybe the pilot had a heart attack and the co pilot struggled to regain control. unsuccessfully.
Unlikely that a man in his 20s who passed a physical to be a combat pilot would have a heart attack.
@@zarasbazaar But not really impossible. Some (pro) sportsman get a physical test, nothing gets found and while training or playing a game they suddenly collapsed and died, because of an heart attack.
And some healthy people are in a stressful situation, lots of adrenaline in their body and when come to relax they suddenly get it. And have flown over enemy-territory, done your mission and then after so close to base being relaxed, well, I'm not sure...
Crying, crying, crying....
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At 17:50 or something like that what does Tony say it sounds to me like cricket bitches ?
Cricket *pitch*
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Definitely not a dig for traditional archaeology! Someone should have shut Phil and Mick up much earlier!
A bomber pilt called 'Warren Peas'... Nominitive determinism anyone?
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OMG! You would have to hit that primer with something harder than anything they are using. You Brits are funny.
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What's with all the attraction to Americanism? I don't get it. Sad.
Hey Tony? "Your planes" didn't go down, American planes went down and killed American crew members. We're allies and worked together but on this crash site, it's American planes.
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I'm glad they were able to solve the tragedy...God rest their souls.🪖
Space Lemur's New English Dictionary: WWII airplane enthusiast
/ɪnˈθjuːzɪast,ɛnˈθjuːzɪast/
noun
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a plunderer; a person morbidly obsessed with momentos of death, an an insatiable urge to touch them.