You forgot the faction of “why yes, I would love to start a new fantasy army. However, I am already $32,000 in debt and can no longer afford to pay for my own food and shelter.”
I'm SO happy to see the AoS content starting to come out! I can't wait to see where you go from here with future videos!!! I started in 2019 when I got a bunch of Goblins for Christmas that year. So I can attest, I was one of those people who didn't play Fantasy. But I LOVE AoS! I love the elevated setting, I love how interesting and unique all of the factions are. And you better believe I *love* the models. I own about 9 different AoS armies, all of which are over 2000 points, one of which is my (give or take) 10,000 points of Stormcast Eternals. I wouldn't have gone so deep if I didn't enjoy not just the hobby, but everything else around it, and it's for all of these reasons that I love AoS as much as I do. Now I can agree with most of your points on AoS, except for one aspect of 3rd edition. Battle Tactics, they're simply not fun, and I hope GW doesn't keep them going into 4th edition. So once again, thank you Arthur, thank you for brining some much needed attention to this wonderful game that doesn't get the attention or love I think it deserves.
I got into age of sigmar like a year after 40k 8th editon dropped. The slaves to darkness chaos warriors looked spectacular, and that got me in the door.
I wanna point out the mechanic that is the cornerstone for why I quite playing 9th ed and kept playing AoS: the priority roll. On one hand it acts like a stop-gap compromise because GW refuses to join modern game design and introduce alternating activations. On the other hand, because it decides entire turn order at the start of every battle round, it becomes in practice a unique mechanic of its own. Every two turns in a game of AoS the prio roll is the fulcrum on which the battle's momentum can change wildly most notably in the form of the double turn. It adds an entire dimension of strategy. At its basic level it forces players to constantly assess how far to push things during their turn or how cagey they should play to protect themselves from getting wiped out by a double turn. At the highest levels it becomes an additional medium through which a player can game their opponent. At all levels it's an exciting moment that eliminates those IGOUGO situations at the tail end of 9th where a game could be talked through after only the first or second turn because straight IGOUGO only has 1 turn order per game whereas the prio roll creates 32 possible permutations of turn order over a full 5 round game. Before anyone complains about randomness - getting double turned is something you can and should plan for. It is routinely the same group of elite players winning major GTs and ranking the highest in the world. Accounting for the priority roll in your strategy is clearly possible, and it's clearly possible to be very good at it. Also, the competitive AoS scene is healthy and thriving. Check out TheHonestWargamer and Woehammer for stats and meta analysis. This will also be the 10th year for the AoS World Team Championships (not the GW championships) - an event that's entirely community run and organized. iirc it will be held in Amsterdam this summer.
PLEASE do AoS content alongside your usual 40k content, there frankly aren't enough creators on this platform that cover AoS and I'd be more than happy to your takes on that side of the Warhammer Pond
I think aos is that good blend of flavorful rules and armies that are still tight enough yet not as crunchy as to deter a larger audience. Not as crunchy as whfb but definitely not as basic as Warhammer 10th edition. A game with mechanics surface level enough to where you can enjoy doing goofy tactics and strategies but deep enough to real dig into the minutiae of the gameplay like the priority roll.
This is largely my sentiment. I prefer Fantasy, but if I want to turn my brain off and still be able to do some fun and interesting things, then AoS is a good game for that. I think my biggest problem with AoS is just how God awful the setting is.
@@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass It's definitely gotten better, in some respects - at least, but it's still a far cry from what I'd call good. The crux of the problem is that the entire setting is dependent upon the End Times - some of the worst fiction the BL has ever publish - and conveniently regurgitating concepts and characters from Fantasy for brand recognition. This problem is sort of amplified by the weightlessness and lack of place locations seem to have in relation to each other. When taken for it disparate elements, I think there is some good stuff in AoS. The Gloomspite Gitz, for example, are an interesting and logical extension of Fantasy's night goblins. As rough as parts in the book "Gloomspite" are, I think it does a pretty good job of illustrating just how nightmarish the badmoon is. The Kharadron Overlords are another example, but I think they need some more refining. But for every decent concept AoS puts forward, it has two or three that just drag it down. Why is Sigmar just the Fantasy version of 40k's Emperor of man? Why is Morathi just able to crawl out of Slaanesh? Why is Nagash an absolute jobber at every possible opportunity? Why does the Cities of Sigmar faction not actually play into the fact that it's supposed to be a patchwork of cultures and races from both the old and new settings? Just a lot of missed opportunities or questionable decisions going on.
I'm loving AoS, I've been creating an army using each of the Death Factions but its been hard to learn about the lore without reading a ton of books about the lore so I'm happy there'll be someone to watch while painting
I love how you make this video as I'm moving away from 40k with how boring, broken, and the elimination of almost ALL my special units from 9th and EARLY 10th. The deathwing command squad is now the latest thing that got axed, and I built my whole army around it. I'm just thankful I can move to aos with the deepkin.
I miss fantasy as the Gotrek and Felix books are some of my favorite fiction and I pray that we get loads of books in that 20-year interim because of the Storm of Chaos
@TheReuleaux its not like they forget about, Felix, he is mentioned quite frequently. Although, none of the new allies Gotrek makes are quite the same and he does meet many great characters. I went into the books feeling the same way, but they're great! I enjoy them thoroughly and I think everyone should give them a shot if they're getting into AOS The unfortunate bit is that the novels aren't put in order despite having one, but if you would like to try them out here is the order I found them to be in: 1.) Realmslayer 2.) Ghoulslayer 3.) Gitslayer 4.) Soulslayer 5.) Blightslayer
I decided to start AoS just BC I wanted a different thing to play for a while BC I been playing 40k for so many years. I fell in love with Daughters of Khaine and have had so much fun playing them and the models are so cool looking. I started playing Hedonites of Slaanesh recently and they are just so unique and interesting to run. 40k is great and still fun, but AoS was a great change of pace for me. I love running Morathi with a bunch of Bow Snake Ladies and firing arrows on enemies twice in a turn.
AoS is great. If it wasn't launched I wouldn't be in the hobby at all. I just couldn't dedicate the attention needed for Fantasy. I wouldn't be able to convince friends and family to play it with me. Sales seem to suggest that I'm not the only one. But now the more hardcore Fantasy fans have a game of their own, so I wish we could stop shittalking each other now.
So something else of note is look at some of the factions beyond stormcast and you can see them nailing a good mix of low and high fantasy best example I can think of right now is the new group unit just announced that looks like a DND party and it's amazing
Probably my favourite part of AoS is how much work they have put on Sub factions and how much modification in terms of goals and character you can give them
Honestly, I love AoS as much as 40K. But AoS deserves some love, so I'm glad you're starting to cover it. I'f you're down i'd love some AoS lore. I know its a lot to branch the content and audience like that, but seriously I'd love to hear you cover Kruleboyz!
Playing AOS is the only way to play Shaven ATM cuz they aren't a playable faction in the old worlds which sucks cuz they are a major player in fantasy. Love my rats
@@ghostofalltime4934this is what im saying. like why are people pretending legacy races are completely banned and unplayable. Its ONLY gw tournaments where they arent allowed. Who cares about tournaments anyway
started playing AOS when the Seraphon (lizardmen) models finally got new sculpts last summer. I really enjoy the game, it is a lot of fun. The best way I can describe the rules for it is this: if 40K has weak faction rules but strong datasheets, AOS has VERY strong faction rules but weak datasheets. In the end it balances out in a similar way, but ends up having more interesting and thematic armies both visually and in playstyle. A direct example of this is I just played my first game vs. a Hedonites of Slaanesh army. They can, once per enemy unit per phase, up to 6 times in a turn, offer your opponent the ability to turn a dice roll into a 6. If your opponent accepts, you get D6 points that you can use for summoning or collect to gain buffs. If your opponent refuses, their unit takes D3 mortal wounds. The mechanic is incredibly fun and flavourful for both players, it's super cool.
I was one of those people that didnt want to get into AoS because of the Old World going boom. But now, I am content with it and actually enjoying it. I have FyreSlayers and Hedonites of Slaanesh. While my brother has Stormcast and Skaven. I do hope AoS succeeds now.
It's secretly better than 40K, but not by such a margin that you should play it over 40K if you prefer 40K's setting. The models are awesome and generally quite varied, as opposed to "more space marines, but we made them red this time (but you're painting them purple anyway)." The combat is more focused on melee, meaning you'll generally have more to do during your opponent's turn. It also means your positioning is simultaneously easier to manage and harder to perfect. Apparently, that's a theme as well, as AoS is an easier setting to understand rules-wise. You may argue that these points don't outweigh 40K's benefits, like being the older brother with the larger d- community, but then again, I never said the game was superior in every way, I just said it's low-key more fun by a slight margin. They're both Warhammer, pick space psychic fantasy or medieval magic fantasy and have a blast while your wallet is rolling in its grave.
I personally love the aesthetic of the game. No interest in playing it whatsoever. I just really like how the models look. I do want to buy a lot of them for D&D models at some point.
I moved more over to aos after 10th editions dropped, as I find 10th is completely devoid of fun rules. Aos is like commander compared to standard in mtg, if that makes any sense
I love the AOS models Cities of Sigmar, Nighthaunt, Gloomspite Gitz, Orruk Warclans, Ogot MawTribes, and Sons of Behemat are each my favorite Factions and I love how quirky the lore is. I just miss Brettonia like faction but maybe in the Future. Edit I also love the Slaves to Chaos, Idoneth Deepkin and the Flesh Eater Courts
I have had a blades of khorne army for a while and am now actually getting motivated to paint them for armys on parade due to the enjoyment i have gotten from playing the game casually at my local game store. I have been a long time 40k player (4th ed) and i think it is a fresh take on a fantasy game i would definitely say get a starter box and give it a try
GW needs to get the best writers they can afford to pour out as much AoS lore as they can. The setting is starting to become interesting, but I have yet to hear about very gripping storylines that get me to be invested in the setting.
I kind of like AoS, and there's a lot it actually has over 40k, like not focusing on Stormcasts to the same extent as Space Marines which overshadows pretty much every other faction combined, there's a lot of flavorful rules, and spellcasting is a lot more interesting than it is in 40k especially with the advent of 10th edition. There are a few issues that prevent me from getting fully into it though, like the wounding system being a flat roll, meaning a little crossbow is just as lethal to a peasant soldier as it is to Nagash, supreme lord of death. I also am not a fan of fixed squad sizes, but that's an issue 10th edition also has now.
Fantasy did not have a lower player count. It's a pretty common misconception. Fantasy rarely got any significant rules updates, and by the time it was killed it still had many models that were 15+ years old. No new rules mean no reason to make new units/models. No new models means no reason for anyone to buy the old stuff again when they already have a collection. "Terrible sales and no players" is purely corporate optics, divorced from someone within the community. It's alot more complex than just that, it's an issue with GW being historically out of touch for the past twenty years.
@@TheReuleauxFinally someone who gets it. The fantasy community was pretty big, especially in Poland. The popularity of fantasy in Poland was insane - it was even more popular than 40k at the time
Aos in total is an interesting game. It certainly has some balance issues (internal once even more) but that’s more something that will never be removed. Something I personally have a problem with aos is probably more around the lore. I mean while the lore of aos in total is getting spread more and more, many armies just don’t get mentioned, aren’t a thread even if they should be and are just considered a joke. So for example if I’m somebody who plays skaven or for example beasts of chaos it’s incredible hard to get any feeling for the aos lore of those armies as they don’t really get mentioned And when they do they get mentioned so shortly or are just a joke that gets beaten down that nobody really cares. And for that reason I personally belief is probably why so many players still prefer old world lore at least right now over that of aos.
I’ve really found Aos to be pretty cool ngl. I’m a 40k fan first and foremost but really enjoy aos quite a bit. I like Warhammer fantasy, 40k, and aos. Don’t see why you couldn’t like all 3 or only 2 of the settings or 1 if that’s your cup of tea. But I mean come on you gotta love Ol’ Gardus Steel Soul
I think AoS is a fun tabletop game to play for sure, I recently got Lumineth as my first Sigmar army and keen to give it a go. I do like how flavourful a lot of armies seem to be, much nicer than current 10th of 40K. From a lore standpoint? I think Age of Sigmar is in a bad spot like when Marvel started getting into multiverse stuff, Sigmar has too much extra mythical fantasy shit that it really can take you out of the setting. Also I feel like you really undersold how badly GW botched Fantasy’s death. Shit is just… Depressing. The unceremonious way iconic characters got killed ‘off-screen’. I still feel bad about everything Balthazar went through and then how he went out. RIP my golden Chad.
It's been my only hang up with AoS. Love the models and heard the lore is great but I just can't connect to any of the armies or locations like I can with WHFB. I'll probably eventually get an AoS army but want to work on finishing up my Eldar army first with building and painting.
@@zoso279 Best thing I can say is watch some people explain them in a more entertaining way. Most lore can be dry as fuck, especially the two dwarf factions, but a good TH-camr having fun with a lore vid can help bridge the gap.
@@castigar0525 Can't recall his name but mostly does 40k things. Really enjoyed his Idoneth Deep-kin video and if I got AoS it would be them as my first pick or Lumeneth with Skaven as a third choice.
@@zoso279 you'll be happy to hear that lore trend has been changing with third edition. We've been getting maps of major locations in different books, and lots of locations and characters are being revisited across storylines. It's turning out more like 40ks lore ethos of a bunch of static locations and important characters that keep showing up but also plenty of room for one off locations and characters as a story requires it.
@@tylergoodyear9797 That's certainly good to hear. Wasn't a huge WHFB lore buff but had some characters like Ikit Claw, Tretch Craven-tail, Marcus Wulfheart, and Eltharion the Grim who I really liked and got attached to their respective locations. Been a lot of fun thinking of lore for my Eldar so having more set locations for AoS would help with creating such things.
I'm having a lot of fun with AoS. It's a much more experimental version of Warhammer than 40k is. There's more variety in mission types, some of the factions have more interesting mechanics, and interestingly, only a few subfactions are head and shoulders above or below the rest of the list of factions which sit at 45-55% win rates. If anything AoS frustrates my ability to enjoy 40k because I know GW can do better, because it does better in AoS. I like 40k, but I prefer AoS, and it's not close.
I absolutely prefer the FB setting and lore, while i never liked the rules of it. AoS seems to be better as a game and definitely has wonderful-looking miniatures. For me the lore is the main part of the whole hobby though, i am not very much into actually playing (and i still have 6 armies for different GW games 😅)
True story - I got an AoS starter for Xmas this year and had just put together the Stormcast when TOW arrived at our LGS. The Sigmarines look cool, but my money is going towards skelly boys - too much nostalgia in the Tomb Kings.
I agree, I won’t get into the old world as I just brought an Ossiarch bone reaper army but boy am I tempted. Tomb king and brettonia are my fav factions so I’m biting my nails to resist buying the Brettonia one but I can at least pretend I’m playing the Tomb kings with Ossiarch bone reapers (they are basically tomb kings even Katacros is an allegory for Settra. TOW models are still old sculpts which is putting me off and I have a Seraphon army so if I ever decide I can jsut play a legacy game
Still at "the end times happened and it's all manfred's fault!" bit :P Models look good (nighthaunt, bonereapers and to an extent the sea elves), if a bit too over the top at times, stormcast, while cool on paper, look waaaay too much like space marines(not even starting on stupid names). I would be interested in the lore tho.
I’ve always wanted to check out AOS. As a fantasy player I stayed away from it since AOS killed the fantasy setting I fell in love with as a young teen. But as time goes on….it’s grown on me. The models are fantastic, and it was a nice break into a new thing. I’ve thought about maybe getting into gloomspite gitz! Time will tell. In the end, I find the models/armies much more unique than many 40k ones. Especially when 30% of models in 40k are some variation of space marine. Thanks for the video!
i'd actually like to start aos with everything ive heard about 10th edition (i dont play anything yet, just paint, read, watch 40k). i like many many people, love skaven. are skaven players so common that every other match has some, or does it seem like people play the other factions enough?
from my experience aos has a pretty good spread of players across the factions. there are some that are played more, like the stormcast sigmarines, cause they're the poster boys. but other than that i dont come across as much meta chasing as in 40k.
I’m so grateful for this video haha… I’ve collected age of sigmar and 40k now for the past year and massed quite a haul and just never have been able to see why they hate eachother so much but not I at least know kinda why 😅
My main reasons for going 40K instead of aos is ease of finding fellow players and that in most cases the painting of space marines is generally easier that a lot of aos models
Commenting for the algorithm, because I would love to see more Age of Sigmar content on your channel! Seriously, I think your take on the lore would be amazing, but don’t be afraid to make a singing channel for it. If you’re worried it’s going to impact the algorithm.
When GW invented Age of Sigmar, they were confident that the Mortal Realms world would be quick and intuitive for all fantasy players. Because at the core is the lores about the Winds of Magic and the Realm of Chaos - the most unique features of Warhammer. But they were cruelly mistaken: for most fantasy fans, the entire metaphysics of Warhammer World is an empty phrase. Proof: ask your fantasy friend to name from memory the names and characters of all the Winds of Magic, and I’m sure only 1 out of 10 can name them without wikipedia. Resume: Age of Sigmar is not understood only because the knowledge of the majority does not go beyond memes and clishes.
Hot take: Warhammer the Old World is the real frankenstein's monster wearing Fantasy's skin. It is nothing short of a soulless cashgrab of a setting that GW clearly does not care about anymore. Now before you crucify me, i just want to say that I like Warhammer fantasy, it's just that with the Old World: I'm not impressed.
Grew up playing WHFB and absolutely despised AoS for YEARS after it came out, refused to even acknowledge it, but at the start of the pandemic a friend convinced me to try the game out at his place and i've been hooked since haha. The lore is harder to get into but it's well worth it once you do!
I just got into AoS about a month ago, picked up a Dominion box cheap and decided to go with the Kruleboyz (Wonderful choice on my part) and I haven't regretted it at all. I was of the party when i first got into the hobby to begin with by reading the books of WH Fantasy, and I disliked the idea of all of it just getting tossed to the side for AoS and actively avoided it like the plague. Now that i'm in, I'm trying to get others to have the realization of what I had, that it isn't terrible, it's quite wonderful.
I'm one of those reflexive no's on playing AoS. I started playing warhammer specifically for the Tomb Kings. Unless they come back free of Nagash's control I can't see myself trying that system. I'm hoping Old World is successful enough to get a timeline fork and continue on past the defeat of Archaon. AoS can just continue being a timeline where he won. I don't want AoS players to have to go through having their game discontinued like WFB was.
@@parsath_2584Thanks for that. Now that Old World is out I've been playing it a lot and enjoying it quite a bit. Its far better balanced than 8E was, and the Tomb Kings are on par with other factions for the first time A lot of the stuff has been consistently sold out so it may in fact be a successful launch. Hopefully this means GW will consider it worth supporting.
As a kid 20+ years ago i always marveled at the fantasy models. And i loved the english medieval undertone. Now as a fat 30 plusser that finally decided that warhammer should stop plaguing the back of my mind i finally decided to take the leap. Went to a gamestore a few cities over and ended up with tyranids cus i just found out the dream minis of my youth with square bases had become obsolete. Dont get me wrong i love me some 40k. But i still remember being around 10, walking in a store that said gameworkshop just to be disapointed they did not sell ps1 games. And yet spending my whole day there without spending money.
AoS is mixed for me, a lot of models in their range are great and as a chaos player, I like the fact (most) my demon models can be played in both 40k and AoS. The lore is probably the main point of contention for me and Im sure many others. On one hand I like how much they’ve expanded on the nature of chaos, its forms of worship among mortals and more major plots that actually change something about them. On the other hand, Warhammer fantasy for me has an innate appeal for having an actual planet map in old world. This becomes more apparent when playing something like TWW3, map whoring is fun and really gives a sense of the factions in play, something that innately has an appeal that can separate from 40k. The fantasy style realm orb things in AoS take that away from me even if I learned to like them.
I started wargames with Warhammer Fantasy and loved it and pushed back when it first came out. However, after playing in a campaign with friends, its become my fav war game, both for setting and rules.
Never been a big old world or AoS fan however i did always like the models and have grabbed bits and pieces over the years. set the lore aside completely and pick up Warcry, its the best and slickest system they have done in years, very much like Killteam only much more streamlined and fast to pick up. another plus side is the models seem to be a higher level of detail than the 40k stuff. I still prefer the 40k universe over AoS but warcry is very much worth a look as its a bloody good game, red harvest is a great starting box and still about in hobby shops.
I’m just now really getting into AOS, with 10th edition 40K it feels like there’s no real narrative or fun rules and anymore, most data sheet abilities just seem like the same 5-6 abilities worded differently. AOS seems a lot more fun and complex, but still really easy to understand, at least to me.
Weird. I happen to be in both groups: I played WHFB as Tomb Kings and hated that my army got squatted. I sold my stuff, and never looked back. Except recently when I did. Found a few factions I like, started enjoying the Lore, and the mechanics are SUPER good and fun. I almost, ALMOST prefer it over 10th Ed 40k. And from a competitive standpoint, the game seems to be way more balanced than something like 40k. Just look at the Top 8 of the recent LVO. Such a large diversity of armies represented. That's always a good sign.
I think what ultimately draws me to AoS over the other two is the lack of grimdark. The "the world/galaxy is totally doomed, lets commit war crimes" attitude of 40k especially got really exhausting after a while. If the lore says everything is awful and nothing matters, why then should I care? AoS is still a dark and brutal setting, but it has hope. There is a possibility of actually beating Choas instead of just pushing off the inevitable. A better future is possible and is worth fighting for. That I feel is a way more compelling tone for a setting over the grimderp we so often get in 40k.
That’s honestly what makes fantasy so good. Despite being dark it never feels as hopeless as 40k books pretend anything without space marines is. The scale means the smaller stories matter and it also means a victory is more of a victory than just a blip on a billionth of a billionth world. Of course AOS also told us that it never actually mattered in the end but whatever
I agree! I was actually super disappointed reading the Cities of Sigmar tome, cause it seems like they're taking the setting in the direction of 40K. Basically it has a theme throughout of "It's all basically pointless, Sigmar knows it, but these peasant humans don't, so just keep chugging them into the blender". Some people love Warhammer for that, but I prefer to actually feel like my heroes have a chance.
@staalforsfh GW overcorrecting because a subset of fans can't get into the setting without everyone being ultra racist is definitely an issue. I did not get the hopeless read from the cities list tho. Maybe I misread it but I thought hope for a better future was the main theme there, even if the cost in resources was becoming untenable.
Took me a while to warm up to the different aesthetics of AoS models compared to the Warhammer Fantasy stuff. But now I think they are great....for conversions of 40k stuff. I don't have room in my brain for more than 1 game and 40k already lives there rent free
Been playing Warhammer for 23 years. Played 40k once Fantasy died. I hated AOS for taking over fantasy. 10th 40k dropped. I have opened my mind to AOS, and I can say that this game is damn good. Bummed I didn’t give it a chance years ago. I will never go back to 40k, unless AOS 4th is as bad as 40k 10th
I do think the hate bonner for aos has long sence passed in all but the most bitter. I just hope with the old world returning they integrate some of the new army's. I've long siad that things light the night hunt can work in old hammer if they are a sup faction of a larger race. And that each faction tends to feel more like a sub faction anyway
Did you just complain about a lack of interesting and cool things when you like the Bretonnians? The most cookie cutter faction in Warhammer? Literally medieval knights with Arthurian flavor faction?
@@stephenjenkins7971 perhaps that means that I find grounded high medieval knights with holy blessings and chivalric honor cool and interesting whereas big pauldron world of Warcraft meatheads aren’t really my style.
@@rellek4053 High medieval knights is the most cookie cutter generic slop in fantasy, my guy. If your issue was it not being grounded, then fair; but you complained about a "lack of interesting and cool things" when you like the most generic basic crap. So that made no sense. Also, Bretonnians are far bigger meatheads than Stormcast; the former do nothing but charge at monsters, the latter actually have hobbies beyond fighting. So you didn't even get that bit right. Also, you can't cry about World of Warcraft style when you look at Bretonnian helmets...they make WoW look kinda grounded sometimes
@@stephenjenkins7971 pro tip, if a fantasy fan unironicly uses the words, world of warcraft, high fantasy, or sigmarines, in there criticism you should just ignore them. They no nothing about AoS and know next to nothing about fantasy. Their just repeating words they found in some online AoS hatejerk.
About Thunderstrike armor - armor itself isn't less bulky in lore, just old sculps and new ones have different design philosophy behind them. In newer arts old redeemers are also less bulky.
My one comment is that in starting "now" is buy based on the look of the army and don't buy books. 4E is right around the corner and we have no idea what GW is going to do with it. So be aware when making the investment. (I'm personally optimistic about 4E though.)
I MAY acquire some AoS minis to proxy for other fantasy models, or to go into the Bitz Box, but I'll be very careful about how I get them and where my money goes to. Honestly, the introduction of The Old World has only made me *saltier* about what happened with Fantasy Battles.. I really don't mean to be petty, that's my last intention, but for me the well has been poisoned; GW showed themselves to hold my investment in their properties in contempt and made it quite clear that we're all just wallets on legs as far as they're concerned, so why would I spare them ANY respect or grace in return?
I don't have an issue with AOS, the only thing is the lore really seems like a Saturday Morning Cartoon; like nothing has an impact on anything, so it just seems like an episode of Heman. X goes to place, defeats badguys, goes away from place and everyone is back where they started.
I was planning on getting into Fantasy when it was releaded. So i was miffed and the lore didn't take me. Now after things have taken time to settle i am far more interested.
I’m going to say one thing to all people looking at age of sigmar from lore perspective First, read Gloomspite by Andy Clark it’s a horror novel about well Gloomspite Gitz but it’s from POV of normal people (the ones you keep mentioning never existing in AoS) and is quite frankly amazing on all fronts Second, read any of the soulbound books and supplements ttrpgs are an easy ways for settings to make some fluff and flavour for their games and as Warhammer fantasy trrpg did it for FB, Soulbound does the same for age of sigmar. There are many more books available so don’t go telling that the world is shallow when you never read any of the lore that is being written
I'm just getting back into the table top miniature wargaming hobby and recently thought I'd play some 40k. After not having played since 3rd edition I thought I would pick up my beloved Eldar (Aeldari) again and start with a simple combat patrol box and an Autarch. When researching paint schemes (looking for the rule of cool) I stumbled across a video tutorial on painting Lumineth Realm-Lords. I thought that clean fantasy color would look great on the Eldar whos miniatures are really starting to look dated. Now, Its got me looking at AoS and I'm debating if I even want to get back into 40k. Its like that 'Distracted Boyfriend' meme. I'm walking with Yvraine but looking at a Scinari Enlightener.
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Great, just started collecting Skaven, mostly due to PancreasNoWork simping for them :-)
The actual table top game aspect was never my problem it was really the lack of an army i could get invested in due to the less than 0 amount of lore and real story around it.
Love my golden boys and their story But for me as someone who was born in 2000 is it nice to have Warhammer universe which I can watch grove from beginning
I hope that a lot of the people that hated AoS because of the stigma of it killing off Fantasy will now cool their heads now that Old World is out. And not hold AoS as some sort of morons Fantasy where the rules aren't as in depth like they were in Fantasy and how it's for normies and not true fans of the hobby (this is an opinion that I have seen from some people)
I guess for me the reason I wasn’t into AOS was the fact I was introduced to fantasy like many others through total war and I got hooked immediately to all the lore and characters. So I considered getting into the hobby and then I found out it was just killed as soon as I got into it😂. So I admit I was hard on AOS. But it has always caught my eye mostly with the models. I’m still a little iffy on the lore like with the different realms and everything but I think I’m open to try it. Plus since the return of old world I can finally dive into the old world like I always wanted to lol.
You forgot the faction of “why yes, I would love to start a new fantasy army. However, I am already $32,000 in debt and can no longer afford to pay for my own food and shelter.”
a valid faction for any Games Workshop wargamer... especially if they own a horde army like guard and refuse to proxy
Play Daemons, 2 army’s in one
@@milkydoesstuff1828 with old world, Daemons are available in 3 games as their own faction, and are soupable into all chaos factions in AoS and 40k.
Cities of sigmar madeof just old models is something you could get away with I understand correctly.
That’s when you buy a ton of xpoxy putty and create your own fraction to play with your neighbor! 🎉🎉🎉
I'm SO happy to see the AoS content starting to come out! I can't wait to see where you go from here with future videos!!! I started in 2019 when I got a bunch of Goblins for Christmas that year. So I can attest, I was one of those people who didn't play Fantasy. But I LOVE AoS! I love the elevated setting, I love how interesting and unique all of the factions are. And you better believe I *love* the models. I own about 9 different AoS armies, all of which are over 2000 points, one of which is my (give or take) 10,000 points of Stormcast Eternals. I wouldn't have gone so deep if I didn't enjoy not just the hobby, but everything else around it, and it's for all of these reasons that I love AoS as much as I do.
Now I can agree with most of your points on AoS, except for one aspect of 3rd edition. Battle Tactics, they're simply not fun, and I hope GW doesn't keep them going into 4th edition.
So once again, thank you Arthur, thank you for brining some much needed attention to this wonderful game that doesn't get the attention or love I think it deserves.
I got into age of sigmar like a year after 40k 8th editon dropped. The slaves to darkness chaos warriors looked spectacular, and that got me in the door.
I wanna point out the mechanic that is the cornerstone for why I quite playing 9th ed and kept playing AoS: the priority roll. On one hand it acts like a stop-gap compromise because GW refuses to join modern game design and introduce alternating activations. On the other hand, because it decides entire turn order at the start of every battle round, it becomes in practice a unique mechanic of its own. Every two turns in a game of AoS the prio roll is the fulcrum on which the battle's momentum can change wildly most notably in the form of the double turn. It adds an entire dimension of strategy. At its basic level it forces players to constantly assess how far to push things during their turn or how cagey they should play to protect themselves from getting wiped out by a double turn. At the highest levels it becomes an additional medium through which a player can game their opponent. At all levels it's an exciting moment that eliminates those IGOUGO situations at the tail end of 9th where a game could be talked through after only the first or second turn because straight IGOUGO only has 1 turn order per game whereas the prio roll creates 32 possible permutations of turn order over a full 5 round game. Before anyone complains about randomness - getting double turned is something you can and should plan for. It is routinely the same group of elite players winning major GTs and ranking the highest in the world. Accounting for the priority roll in your strategy is clearly possible, and it's clearly possible to be very good at it. Also, the competitive AoS scene is healthy and thriving. Check out TheHonestWargamer and Woehammer for stats and meta analysis. This will also be the 10th year for the AoS World Team Championships (not the GW championships) - an event that's entirely community run and organized. iirc it will be held in Amsterdam this summer.
PLEASE do AoS content alongside your usual 40k content, there frankly aren't enough creators on this platform that cover AoS and I'd be more than happy to your takes on that side of the Warhammer Pond
This
I think aos is that good blend of flavorful rules and armies that are still tight enough yet not as crunchy as to deter a larger audience. Not as crunchy as whfb but definitely not as basic as Warhammer 10th edition. A game with mechanics surface level enough to where you can enjoy doing goofy tactics and strategies but deep enough to real dig into the minutiae of the gameplay like the priority roll.
This is largely my sentiment.
I prefer Fantasy, but if I want to turn my brain off and still be able to do some fun and interesting things, then AoS is a good game for that. I think my biggest problem with AoS is just how God awful the setting is.
@@spnked9516 "just how God awful the setting is." yawn
@spnked9516 Lore people seem to think the story has gotten better. What about the setting makes you say it's terrible?
@@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass It's definitely gotten better, in some respects - at least, but it's still a far cry from what I'd call good. The crux of the problem is that the entire setting is dependent upon the End Times - some of the worst fiction the BL has ever publish - and conveniently regurgitating concepts and characters from Fantasy for brand recognition. This problem is sort of amplified by the weightlessness and lack of place locations seem to have in relation to each other.
When taken for it disparate elements, I think there is some good stuff in AoS. The Gloomspite Gitz, for example, are an interesting and logical extension of Fantasy's night goblins. As rough as parts in the book "Gloomspite" are, I think it does a pretty good job of illustrating just how nightmarish the badmoon is. The Kharadron Overlords are another example, but I think they need some more refining.
But for every decent concept AoS puts forward, it has two or three that just drag it down. Why is Sigmar just the Fantasy version of 40k's Emperor of man? Why is Morathi just able to crawl out of Slaanesh? Why is Nagash an absolute jobber at every possible opportunity? Why does the Cities of Sigmar faction not actually play into the fact that it's supposed to be a patchwork of cultures and races from both the old and new settings? Just a lot of missed opportunities or questionable decisions going on.
@@spnked9516 tbf at least imo Nagash has always been an absolute jobber
I'm loving AoS, I've been creating an army using each of the Death Factions but its been hard to learn about the lore without reading a ton of books about the lore so I'm happy there'll be someone to watch while painting
1+ tough is the go to lore man for AOS
its honestly too bad that the entire death faction used to just be one army.
I love how you make this video as I'm moving away from 40k with how boring, broken, and the elimination of almost ALL my special units from 9th and EARLY 10th. The deathwing command squad is now the latest thing that got axed, and I built my whole army around it. I'm just thankful I can move to aos with the deepkin.
10th will be remember as the « store cleaning » edition
Fuck 10th I hate gw
I miss fantasy as the Gotrek and Felix books are some of my favorite fiction and I pray that we get loads of books in that 20-year interim because of the Storm of Chaos
Check out gotrek aos novels
@@augustocarnevale1900 You can't just take apart a dynamic, iconic duo and expect it to stay even remotely the same.
@@TheReuleaux its not the same, things change, thats life
@TheReuleaux its not like they forget about, Felix, he is mentioned quite frequently. Although, none of the new allies Gotrek makes are quite the same and he does meet many great characters. I went into the books feeling the same way, but they're great! I enjoy them thoroughly and I think everyone should give them a shot if they're getting into AOS
The unfortunate bit is that the novels aren't put in order despite having one, but if you would like to try them out here is the order I found them to be in:
1.) Realmslayer
2.) Ghoulslayer
3.) Gitslayer
4.) Soulslayer
5.) Blightslayer
@@augustocarnevale1900 The fact that Gotrek is now in a universe of flying space ship dwarves, shark people and sigmarines kind of kills it.
You make what content you like, I come for your enthusiasm on the hobby. (Plus AoS has Squigs galore so we know its an awesome game)
I believe I will like Age of Sigmar as well. Bought an Ironjawz box like 16 months ago but haven’t gotten around to even open the box yet 😄
I decided to start AoS just BC I wanted a different thing to play for a while BC I been playing 40k for so many years. I fell in love with Daughters of Khaine and have had so much fun playing them and the models are so cool looking. I started playing Hedonites of Slaanesh recently and they are just so unique and interesting to run.
40k is great and still fun, but AoS was a great change of pace for me. I love running Morathi with a bunch of Bow Snake Ladies and firing arrows on enemies twice in a turn.
AoS is great. If it wasn't launched I wouldn't be in the hobby at all. I just couldn't dedicate the attention needed for Fantasy. I wouldn't be able to convince friends and family to play it with me. Sales seem to suggest that I'm not the only one. But now the more hardcore Fantasy fans have a game of their own, so I wish we could stop shittalking each other now.
So something else of note is look at some of the factions beyond stormcast and you can see them nailing a good mix of low and high fantasy best example I can think of right now is the new group unit just announced that looks like a DND party and it's amazing
Probably my favourite part of AoS is how much work they have put on Sub factions and how much modification in terms of goals and character you can give them
WHEN RED CORSAIRS?!
When skaven?
After
But rat bois
Never
Red corsairs before ratmen
Honestly, I love AoS as much as 40K. But AoS deserves some love, so I'm glad you're starting to cover it. I'f you're down i'd love some AoS lore. I know its a lot to branch the content and audience like that, but seriously I'd love to hear you cover Kruleboyz!
Playing AOS is the only way to play Shaven ATM cuz they aren't a playable faction in the old worlds which sucks cuz they are a major player in fantasy. Love my rats
Ah, yes-yes another Skaven player
All hail The Great Horned Rat!! 🐁
They are a playable faction in Old World. They have a full set of rules. You just cant play them at tournaments.
@@insurancefraud4594 Well official GW tournaments, all others are allowing the legacy races.
@@ghostofalltime4934this is what im saying. like why are people pretending legacy races are completely banned and unplayable. Its ONLY gw tournaments where they arent allowed. Who cares about tournaments anyway
started playing AOS when the Seraphon (lizardmen) models finally got new sculpts last summer. I really enjoy the game, it is a lot of fun. The best way I can describe the rules for it is this: if 40K has weak faction rules but strong datasheets, AOS has VERY strong faction rules but weak datasheets. In the end it balances out in a similar way, but ends up having more interesting and thematic armies both visually and in playstyle. A direct example of this is I just played my first game vs. a Hedonites of Slaanesh army. They can, once per enemy unit per phase, up to 6 times in a turn, offer your opponent the ability to turn a dice roll into a 6. If your opponent accepts, you get D6 points that you can use for summoning or collect to gain buffs. If your opponent refuses, their unit takes D3 mortal wounds. The mechanic is incredibly fun and flavourful for both players, it's super cool.
“I’m gonna give you an offer you can’t refuse” 😈
I was one of those people that didnt want to get into AoS because of the Old World going boom. But now, I am content with it and actually enjoying it. I have FyreSlayers and Hedonites of Slaanesh. While my brother has Stormcast and Skaven. I do hope AoS succeeds now.
It's secretly better than 40K, but not by such a margin that you should play it over 40K if you prefer 40K's setting.
The models are awesome and generally quite varied, as opposed to "more space marines, but we made them red this time (but you're painting them purple anyway)."
The combat is more focused on melee, meaning you'll generally have more to do during your opponent's turn. It also means your positioning is simultaneously easier to manage and harder to perfect. Apparently, that's a theme as well, as AoS is an easier setting to understand rules-wise.
You may argue that these points don't outweigh 40K's benefits, like being the older brother with the larger d- community, but then again, I never said the game was superior in every way, I just said it's low-key more fun by a slight margin. They're both Warhammer, pick space psychic fantasy or medieval magic fantasy and have a blast while your wallet is rolling in its grave.
Woo hoo! Tanking engagement is ON! Let’s go baby!
Those Sigmarines are a kitbasher's wet dream for us Blood Angel players!
Some of them make good custodes too.
I personally love the aesthetic of the game. No interest in playing it whatsoever. I just really like how the models look. I do want to buy a lot of them for D&D models at some point.
I would say yes AoS is worth playing RN it's a pretty easy game well Warhammer wise to pick up they're models are kind of more cheaper to collect too
I moved more over to aos after 10th editions dropped, as I find 10th is completely devoid of fun rules. Aos is like commander compared to standard in mtg, if that makes any sense
I love the AOS models Cities of Sigmar, Nighthaunt, Gloomspite Gitz, Orruk Warclans, Ogot MawTribes, and Sons of Behemat are each my favorite Factions and I love how quirky the lore is. I just miss Brettonia like faction but maybe in the Future.
Edit I also love the Slaves to Chaos, Idoneth Deepkin and the Flesh Eater Courts
Age of Sigmar is amazing. Play it every weekend with my buddy now.
I have had a blades of khorne army for a while and am now actually getting motivated to paint them for armys on parade due to the enjoyment i have gotten from playing the game casually at my local game store. I have been a long time 40k player (4th ed) and i think it is a fresh take on a fantasy game i would definitely say get a starter box and give it a try
GW needs to get the best writers they can afford to pour out as much AoS lore as they can. The setting is starting to become interesting, but I have yet to hear about very gripping storylines that get me to be invested in the setting.
There’s a Flesh Eater Courts character who isn’t insane and is fully aware of just how shit his situation is.
They would need to change the wholes setting. Currently its like light beer 40k
There’s a lot of awesome ideas afloat in AoS that would be great to expand upon in a book series for all the factions
I kind of like AoS, and there's a lot it actually has over 40k, like not focusing on Stormcasts to the same extent as Space Marines which overshadows pretty much every other faction combined, there's a lot of flavorful rules, and spellcasting is a lot more interesting than it is in 40k especially with the advent of 10th edition. There are a few issues that prevent me from getting fully into it though, like the wounding system being a flat roll, meaning a little crossbow is just as lethal to a peasant soldier as it is to Nagash, supreme lord of death. I also am not a fan of fixed squad sizes, but that's an issue 10th edition also has now.
Age of Sigmar didn’t kill WH: Fantasy, terrible sales and low player count killed it.
Fantasy did not have a lower player count. It's a pretty common misconception.
Fantasy rarely got any significant rules updates, and by the time it was killed it still had many models that were 15+ years old. No new rules mean no reason to make new units/models. No new models means no reason for anyone to buy the old stuff again when they already have a collection.
"Terrible sales and no players" is purely corporate optics, divorced from someone within the community. It's alot more complex than just that, it's an issue with GW being historically out of touch for the past twenty years.
@@TheReuleauxFinally someone who gets it. The fantasy community was pretty big, especially in Poland. The popularity of fantasy in Poland was insane - it was even more popular than 40k at the time
@@TheReuleaux yeah it did. It failed to gain enough new players as veteran players exited. At the end of the day it's about model sales.
@@mogwaiman6048 Why invest money in a game that is so blatantly obviously out of date in its sculpts and rules?
@@Philtopy WHFB had the same model quality as 40k. As for the rules, 40k has gone through bad editions as well.
Aos in total is an interesting game. It certainly has some balance issues (internal once even more) but that’s more something that will never be removed.
Something I personally have a problem with aos is probably more around the lore.
I mean while the lore of aos in total is getting spread more and more, many armies just don’t get mentioned, aren’t a thread even if they should be and are just considered a joke.
So for example if I’m somebody who plays skaven or for example beasts of chaos it’s incredible hard to get any feeling for the aos lore of those armies as they don’t really get mentioned
And when they do they get mentioned so shortly or are just a joke that gets beaten down that nobody really cares.
And for that reason I personally belief is probably why so many players still prefer old world lore at least right now over that of aos.
Finally, some well deserved Aos love from the 40k community. Thank you!!
I’ve really found Aos to be pretty cool ngl. I’m a 40k fan first and foremost but really enjoy aos quite a bit. I like Warhammer fantasy, 40k, and aos. Don’t see why you couldn’t like all 3 or only 2 of the settings or 1 if that’s your cup of tea. But I mean come on you gotta love Ol’ Gardus Steel Soul
I think AoS is a fun tabletop game to play for sure, I recently got Lumineth as my first Sigmar army and keen to give it a go. I do like how flavourful a lot of armies seem to be, much nicer than current 10th of 40K.
From a lore standpoint? I think Age of Sigmar is in a bad spot like when Marvel started getting into multiverse stuff, Sigmar has too much extra mythical fantasy shit that it really can take you out of the setting.
Also I feel like you really undersold how badly GW botched Fantasy’s death. Shit is just… Depressing. The unceremonious way iconic characters got killed ‘off-screen’. I still feel bad about everything Balthazar went through and then how he went out. RIP my golden Chad.
It's been my only hang up with AoS. Love the models and heard the lore is great but I just can't connect to any of the armies or locations like I can with WHFB. I'll probably eventually get an AoS army but want to work on finishing up my Eldar army first with building and painting.
@@zoso279 Best thing I can say is watch some people explain them in a more entertaining way. Most lore can be dry as fuck, especially the two dwarf factions, but a good TH-camr having fun with a lore vid can help bridge the gap.
@@castigar0525 Can't recall his name but mostly does 40k things. Really enjoyed his Idoneth Deep-kin video and if I got AoS it would be them as my first pick or Lumeneth with Skaven as a third choice.
@@zoso279 you'll be happy to hear that lore trend has been changing with third edition. We've been getting maps of major locations in different books, and lots of locations and characters are being revisited across storylines. It's turning out more like 40ks lore ethos of a bunch of static locations and important characters that keep showing up but also plenty of room for one off locations and characters as a story requires it.
@@tylergoodyear9797 That's certainly good to hear. Wasn't a huge WHFB lore buff but had some characters like Ikit Claw, Tretch Craven-tail, Marcus Wulfheart, and Eltharion the Grim who I really liked and got attached to their respective locations. Been a lot of fun thinking of lore for my Eldar so having more set locations for AoS would help with creating such things.
Come to the dad game tables. We have beer.
I'm having a lot of fun with AoS. It's a much more experimental version of Warhammer than 40k is. There's more variety in mission types, some of the factions have more interesting mechanics, and interestingly, only a few subfactions are head and shoulders above or below the rest of the list of factions which sit at 45-55% win rates. If anything AoS frustrates my ability to enjoy 40k because I know GW can do better, because it does better in AoS.
I like 40k, but I prefer AoS, and it's not close.
I absolutely prefer the FB setting and lore, while i never liked the rules of it. AoS seems to be better as a game and definitely has wonderful-looking miniatures.
For me the lore is the main part of the whole hobby though, i am not very much into actually playing (and i still have 6 armies for different GW games 😅)
I'm just waiting for the Skaven refresh to jump into the setting. If we don't get any this year, then I will try with the Seraphon.
True story - I got an AoS starter for Xmas this year and had just put together the Stormcast when TOW arrived at our LGS.
The Sigmarines look cool, but my money is going towards skelly boys - too much nostalgia in the Tomb Kings.
I agree, I won’t get into the old world as I just brought an Ossiarch bone reaper army but boy am I tempted. Tomb king and brettonia are my fav factions so I’m biting my nails to resist buying the Brettonia one but I can at least pretend I’m playing the Tomb kings with Ossiarch bone reapers (they are basically tomb kings even Katacros is an allegory for Settra. TOW models are still old sculpts which is putting me off and I have a Seraphon army so if I ever decide I can jsut play a legacy game
Come over to AoS, we have armoured orcs riding big pigs. Enough said.
short answer: yes
long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeees
As someone who entered their first AoS tournament this week in Australia it's more competitive but a whole lot less sweaty than 40k Comp
I'm here for AOS as well as 40k. I'll do my best to engage as much as I can
Would love more aos and whfb content. Keep it up
Still at "the end times happened and it's all manfred's fault!" bit :P Models look good (nighthaunt, bonereapers and to an extent the sea elves), if a bit too over the top at times, stormcast, while cool on paper, look waaaay too much like space marines(not even starting on stupid names).
I would be interested in the lore tho.
I can't explain why but at this point the "Hi I'm Arthur" just feel so damn calming
I would love sigmar vids , I don’t know anything about it , just 40k
I’ve always wanted to check out AOS. As a fantasy player I stayed away from it since AOS killed the fantasy setting I fell in love with as a young teen.
But as time goes on….it’s grown on me. The models are fantastic, and it was a nice break into a new thing. I’ve thought about maybe getting into gloomspite gitz! Time will tell.
In the end, I find the models/armies much more unique than many 40k ones. Especially when 30% of models in 40k are some variation of space marine.
Thanks for the video!
i'd actually like to start aos with everything ive heard about 10th edition (i dont play anything yet, just paint, read, watch 40k). i like many many people, love skaven. are skaven players so common that every other match has some, or does it seem like people play the other factions enough?
Skaven players are NOT that common. Decently rare. Their current book is quite old and they have a lot of issues. Theyre due a big update soon though.
from my experience aos has a pretty good spread of players across the factions. there are some that are played more, like the stormcast sigmarines, cause they're the poster boys. but other than that i dont come across as much meta chasing as in 40k.
i go to a lot of tournaments in the UK and you almost never see stormcasts. Besides the all-dragons list that was popular a year ago @@RanRayu
I’m so grateful for this video haha… I’ve collected age of sigmar and 40k now for the past year and massed quite a haul and just never have been able to see why they hate eachother so much but not I at least know kinda why 😅
My main reasons for going 40K instead of aos is ease of finding fellow players and that in most cases the painting of space marines is generally easier that a lot of aos models
Commenting for the algorithm, because I would love to see more Age of Sigmar content on your channel!
Seriously, I think your take on the lore would be amazing, but don’t be afraid to make a singing channel for it. If you’re worried it’s going to impact the algorithm.
When GW invented Age of Sigmar, they were confident that the Mortal Realms world would be quick and intuitive for all fantasy players. Because at the core is the lores about the Winds of Magic and the Realm of Chaos - the most unique features of Warhammer.
But they were cruelly mistaken: for most fantasy fans, the entire metaphysics of Warhammer World is an empty phrase.
Proof: ask your fantasy friend to name from memory the names and characters of all the Winds of Magic, and I’m sure only 1 out of 10 can name them without wikipedia.
Resume: Age of Sigmar is not understood only because the knowledge of the majority does not go beyond memes and clishes.
I think now is a good time, the lore is getting interesting and mosy of there armys have own unique premise (looking FEC)
Hot take: Warhammer the Old World is the real frankenstein's monster wearing Fantasy's skin. It is nothing short of a soulless cashgrab of a setting that GW clearly does not care about anymore.
Now before you crucify me, i just want to say that I like Warhammer fantasy, it's just that with the Old World: I'm not impressed.
Love a good Idoneth! Maybe we will get some lore for them in a book where they don't always lose
Grew up playing WHFB and absolutely despised AoS for YEARS after it came out, refused to even acknowledge it, but at the start of the pandemic a friend convinced me to try the game out at his place and i've been hooked since haha. The lore is harder to get into but it's well worth it once you do!
4:30 - “Age of Magmar”? Ok, would a Pokémon-themed tabletop war game even work?
Presumably. Rpgs came from Chainmail, a fantasy war game.
Lt. Surge and his elite 'Murican Raichu unit when?
I just got into AoS about a month ago, picked up a Dominion box cheap and decided to go with the Kruleboyz (Wonderful choice on my part) and I haven't regretted it at all. I was of the party when i first got into the hobby to begin with by reading the books of WH Fantasy, and I disliked the idea of all of it just getting tossed to the side for AoS and actively avoided it like the plague. Now that i'm in, I'm trying to get others to have the realization of what I had, that it isn't terrible, it's quite wonderful.
Awesome, AoS content coming! Subbed my guy
I'm one of those reflexive no's on playing AoS. I started playing warhammer specifically for the Tomb Kings. Unless they come back free of Nagash's control I can't see myself trying that system. I'm hoping Old World is successful enough to get a timeline fork and continue on past the defeat of Archaon. AoS can just continue being a timeline where he won. I don't want AoS players to have to go through having their game discontinued like WFB was.
Solid and reasonable take.
I'd like this for you too.
@@parsath_2584Thanks for that. Now that Old World is out I've been playing it a lot and enjoying it quite a bit. Its far better balanced than 8E was, and the Tomb Kings are on par with other factions for the first time
A lot of the stuff has been consistently sold out so it may in fact be a successful launch. Hopefully this means GW will consider it worth supporting.
As a kid 20+ years ago i always marveled at the fantasy models. And i loved the english medieval undertone. Now as a fat 30 plusser that finally decided that warhammer should stop plaguing the back of my mind i finally decided to take the leap. Went to a gamestore a few cities over and ended up with tyranids cus i just found out the dream minis of my youth with square bases had become obsolete. Dont get me wrong i love me some 40k. But i still remember being around 10, walking in a store that said gameworkshop just to be disapointed they did not sell ps1 games. And yet spending my whole day there without spending money.
AoS is mixed for me, a lot of models in their range are great and as a chaos player, I like the fact (most) my demon models can be played in both 40k and AoS. The lore is probably the main point of contention for me and Im sure many others. On one hand I like how much they’ve expanded on the nature of chaos, its forms of worship among mortals and more major plots that actually change something about them.
On the other hand, Warhammer fantasy for me has an innate appeal for having an actual planet map in old world. This becomes more apparent when playing something like TWW3, map whoring is fun and really gives a sense of the factions in play, something that innately has an appeal that can separate from 40k. The fantasy style realm orb things in AoS take that away from me even if I learned to like them.
Thx for the fun video! Love your content!
Age of Sigmar wasn't so bad. It was just nice to see the 2nd legion get some love finally...
I started wargames with Warhammer Fantasy and loved it and pushed back when it first came out. However, after playing in a campaign with friends, its become my fav war game, both for setting and rules.
Never been a big old world or AoS fan however i did always like the models and have grabbed bits and pieces over the years. set the lore aside completely and pick up Warcry, its the best and slickest system they have done in years, very much like Killteam only much more streamlined and fast to pick up. another plus side is the models seem to be a higher level of detail than the 40k stuff. I still prefer the 40k universe over AoS but warcry is very much worth a look as its a bloody good game, red harvest is a great starting box and still about in hobby shops.
I’m just now really getting into AOS, with 10th edition 40K it feels like there’s no real narrative or fun rules and anymore, most data sheet abilities just seem like the same 5-6 abilities worded differently. AOS seems a lot more fun and complex, but still really easy to understand, at least to me.
Weird. I happen to be in both groups: I played WHFB as Tomb Kings and hated that my army got squatted. I sold my stuff, and never looked back. Except recently when I did. Found a few factions I like, started enjoying the Lore, and the mechanics are SUPER good and fun. I almost, ALMOST prefer it over 10th Ed 40k.
And from a competitive standpoint, the game seems to be way more balanced than something like 40k. Just look at the Top 8 of the recent LVO. Such a large diversity of armies represented. That's always a good sign.
I think what ultimately draws me to AoS over the other two is the lack of grimdark. The "the world/galaxy is totally doomed, lets commit war crimes" attitude of 40k especially got really exhausting after a while. If the lore says everything is awful and nothing matters, why then should I care?
AoS is still a dark and brutal setting, but it has hope. There is a possibility of actually beating Choas instead of just pushing off the inevitable. A better future is possible and is worth fighting for.
That I feel is a way more compelling tone for a setting over the grimderp we so often get in 40k.
That’s honestly what makes fantasy so good. Despite being dark it never feels as hopeless as 40k books pretend anything without space marines is.
The scale means the smaller stories matter and it also means a victory is more of a victory than just a blip on a billionth of a billionth world.
Of course AOS also told us that it never actually mattered in the end but whatever
I agree! I was actually super disappointed reading the Cities of Sigmar tome, cause it seems like they're taking the setting in the direction of 40K. Basically it has a theme throughout of "It's all basically pointless, Sigmar knows it, but these peasant humans don't, so just keep chugging them into the blender". Some people love Warhammer for that, but I prefer to actually feel like my heroes have a chance.
@staalforsfh GW overcorrecting because a subset of fans can't get into the setting without everyone being ultra racist is definitely an issue.
I did not get the hopeless read from the cities list tho. Maybe I misread it but I thought hope for a better future was the main theme there, even if the cost in resources was becoming untenable.
I started because the subscription AOS came to the States and man... I have become a Kruelboyz fan, love painting those guys!
I want to collect AOS only to make a court of vampire knights and a bunch of wolves and roleplay a court of human hunters.
Took me a while to warm up to the different aesthetics of AoS models compared to the Warhammer Fantasy stuff. But now I think they are great....for conversions of 40k stuff. I don't have room in my brain for more than 1 game and 40k already lives there rent free
Me intensely eyeballing cities of sigmar, gloomspire gitz, and orruk ard bois while my battered bank account pleads for mercy.
Yes aos is a great game system. Lore is fine i suppose but the actual game is seriously fantastic
Been playing Warhammer for 23 years. Played 40k once Fantasy died. I hated AOS for taking over fantasy. 10th 40k dropped. I have opened my mind to AOS, and I can say that this game is damn good. Bummed I didn’t give it a chance years ago. I will never go back to 40k, unless AOS 4th is as bad as 40k 10th
I do think the hate bonner for aos has long sence passed in all but the most bitter. I just hope with the old world returning they integrate some of the new army's. I've long siad that things light the night hunt can work in old hammer if they are a sup faction of a larger race. And that each faction tends to feel more like a sub faction anyway
Okay I feel called out for not forgiving James for ruining my Bretonnians
Did you just complain about a lack of interesting and cool things when you like the Bretonnians? The most cookie cutter faction in Warhammer? Literally medieval knights with Arthurian flavor faction?
@@stephenjenkins7971 perhaps that means that I find grounded high medieval knights with holy blessings and chivalric honor cool and interesting whereas big pauldron world of Warcraft meatheads aren’t really my style.
@@rellek4053 High medieval knights is the most cookie cutter generic slop in fantasy, my guy. If your issue was it not being grounded, then fair; but you complained about a "lack of interesting and cool things" when you like the most generic basic crap. So that made no sense.
Also, Bretonnians are far bigger meatheads than Stormcast; the former do nothing but charge at monsters, the latter actually have hobbies beyond fighting. So you didn't even get that bit right. Also, you can't cry about World of Warcraft style when you look at Bretonnian helmets...they make WoW look kinda grounded sometimes
@@stephenjenkins7971 pro tip, if a fantasy fan unironicly uses the words, world of warcraft, high fantasy, or sigmarines, in there criticism you should just ignore them. They no nothing about AoS and know next to nothing about fantasy. Their just repeating words they found in some online AoS hatejerk.
@@stephenjenkins7971what makes Bretonians unique in that regard is that it’s basically all a lie
About Thunderstrike armor - armor itself isn't less bulky in lore, just old sculps and new ones have different design philosophy behind them.
In newer arts old redeemers are also less bulky.
I still like the thiccast even though thunderstrike is a better design
Hey, the models means I get bits for Space Marines. Particularly for my Night Lords.
My one comment is that in starting "now" is buy based on the look of the army and don't buy books.
4E is right around the corner and we have no idea what GW is going to do with it.
So be aware when making the investment. (I'm personally optimistic about 4E though.)
I MAY acquire some AoS minis to proxy for other fantasy models, or to go into the Bitz Box, but I'll be very careful about how I get them and where my money goes to. Honestly, the introduction of The Old World has only made me *saltier* about what happened with Fantasy Battles.. I really don't mean to be petty, that's my last intention, but for me the well has been poisoned; GW showed themselves to hold my investment in their properties in contempt and made it quite clear that we're all just wallets on legs as far as they're concerned, so why would I spare them ANY respect or grace in return?
I'm a fan of the new faction in AoS. Water elves are a neat concept. It'd be nice to see the evil egyptians return, or even the Cathay
I don't have an issue with AOS, the only thing is the lore really seems like a Saturday Morning Cartoon; like nothing has an impact on anything, so it just seems like an episode of Heman.
X goes to place, defeats badguys, goes away from place and everyone is back where they started.
AoS is pretty much the only Warhammer that bothers to change its setting at all. WHFB never did it, and 40k barely does. TOW might though.
Yeah its really shallow and like a really bad fan fiction.
Tell me you‘ve never engaged with AoS lore without telling me…
I can’t find a faction that draws me in, meanwhile 40K has too many good choices
I was planning on getting into Fantasy when it was releaded. So i was miffed and the lore didn't take me. Now after things have taken time to settle i am far more interested.
What do people think about Warcry? Some friends at my lgs have been trying to sell me on it. Even as i walk out with yet more tyranids
I’m going to say one thing to all people looking at age of sigmar from lore perspective
First, read Gloomspite by Andy Clark it’s a horror novel about well Gloomspite Gitz but it’s from POV of normal people (the ones you keep mentioning never existing in AoS) and is quite frankly amazing on all fronts
Second, read any of the soulbound books and supplements ttrpgs are an easy ways for settings to make some fluff and flavour for their games and as Warhammer fantasy trrpg did it for FB, Soulbound does the same for age of sigmar.
There are many more books available so don’t go telling that the world is shallow when you never read any of the lore that is being written
I got into the game for the high quality sculpts that are a lil cheaper than 40k and I needed something to paint real bad so dominion was so good
My indifference mostly stems from making the lizardmen blue. That's a terrible color for a lizardman.
i mean, you can paint them whatever colour you want
I'm just getting back into the table top miniature wargaming hobby and recently thought I'd play some 40k. After not having played since 3rd edition I thought I would pick up my beloved Eldar (Aeldari) again and start with a simple combat patrol box and an Autarch. When researching paint schemes (looking for the rule of cool) I stumbled across a video tutorial on painting Lumineth Realm-Lords. I thought that clean fantasy color would look great on the Eldar whos miniatures are really starting to look dated. Now, Its got me looking at AoS and I'm debating if I even want to get back into 40k. Its like that 'Distracted Boyfriend' meme. I'm walking with Yvraine but looking at a Scinari Enlightener.
Great, just started collecting Skaven, mostly due to PancreasNoWork simping for them :-)
The great horned rat bless-bless you man thing for chosing the right faction yes-yes
I am interested. I just gotta get over the recent depression of thinking I could play beastmen with Kragnos
The actual table top game aspect was never my problem it was really the lack of an army i could get invested in due to the less than 0 amount of lore and real story around it.
Love my golden boys and their story
But for me as someone who was born in 2000 is it nice to have Warhammer universe which I can watch grove from beginning
I hope that a lot of the people that hated AoS because of the stigma of it killing off Fantasy will now cool their heads now that Old World is out.
And not hold AoS as some sort of morons Fantasy where the rules aren't as in depth like they were in Fantasy and how it's for normies and not true fans of the hobby (this is an opinion that I have seen from some people)
I guess for me the reason I wasn’t into AOS was the fact I was introduced to fantasy like many others through total war and I got hooked immediately to all the lore and characters. So I considered getting into the hobby and then I found out it was just killed as soon as I got into it😂. So I admit I was hard on AOS. But it has always caught my eye mostly with the models. I’m still a little iffy on the lore like with the different realms and everything but I think I’m open to try it. Plus since the return of old world I can finally dive into the old world like I always wanted to lol.
Yes-yes play the Rat-kin and murder-kill the no furs ~Not a Skaven