I like the touch that John didn't relax after burying the T-800 in molten metal. He knew it was not dead and started backing away, getting ready to continue fighting it. It shows how he clearly learned from experience.
@@TheSiNnEr734 As a tween he saw a T-800 jump into molten metal and still be able to perform farewell gestures so I'd say he remembered full well it wasn't something to guarantee an instant kill.
Best T800 representation till now. Flawless endoskeleton, he actually really try to kill, he uses tricks like voice imitation, almost unstoppable, scary as hell, and really realistic because of combination of practical effects and cgi .
@@Waterbug1591 well kyle resee hit the t800 with a metal bar in teh head and is tossed witha bitch slap... In T2 the bar fight witha pool cane to the head,and t800 launch a biker to the kitchen... t2 a pescadero female guard hit arnie in the head and arnie simply tossed her away.. t3 the tx is hitted in the head,,tossed arnold across bathrooms. t4,,the same with the t800 in the head a lot of times its somekind of bug..or somekind of anger reaction
@@FULANODETAL 1. Kyle Reese was mortally wounded after that slap. 2. He was the protagonist, they did that to position him as the good guy. What's the excuse these guys have? 3. By the time they were in Pescadero, terminator is directly forbidden to kill by John Connor. 4. TX is incredibly durable, T800 (or 850, whatever) is merely trying to stall TX, allowing the party to escape. 5. I don't know what you mean. Once it gets hold of you, a superhuman murder machine would never let you go until you are f'cking dead. There is nothing to justify what we are seeing in this film.
@@Waterbug1591 I agree but there right in the first movie he does throw people around to but in the rated r of this movie script the director wanted to have a couple of guys around to have the terminator kill before he gets to John to show how menacing the t600 and t800 were
I love how indestructible, yet physical the T800 was in this movie. Nailed all the points, even that extra spark of murder must that’s very untypical for a machine.
That's what made it so scary in the first movie. The more damaged it became, the more psychopathic it seemed to be. Almost like the thing wasn't just a machine. It was almost like there was something evil there which the red eyes helped with
@@Johnny_Serenity ye it was being logical, due to it being so heavily damaged and now exposed at that time it knew it only had a limited time before it was completely figured out and a lot more than just police showed up to take it down. As such, it was rushing more and more to get the job done and being less careless. It's like impatience, but on the logical side of things.
The problem for me is the earlier part of the fight and chase where the T-800, for nothing more than plot convenience, throws John around instead of crushing his skull or digging his heart out. The rest of the sequence is pretty chilling and well done - it's just the practicality of the fight that annoys me quite a lot. In the 1984 original the T-800 was much more dangerous up close.
@@Ripa-MorameeIn the tech noir shootout, why did it not pick up it's uzi instead of chasing sarah and reese on foot? Why did it feel the need to execute it's victims in the loudest way possible instead of killing them off silently so as not to alert the real sarah (in case the one it killed wasn't the right one)? Why did the t800 not wait for a better opportunity or get into the police station some other way instead of just massacring everyone? Why did it run away after the car crash instead of getting sarah then and there? Why did it feel the need to make one-liners like "wrong" or "i'll be back"? It's pretty obvious that the t800 in the first movie is not that logical, and it seems to almost have an ego, as if it's getting frustrated at failing to kill it's target.We also have to remember that skynet itself does have a personality of some kind, and since the t800 is made to fit in with humanity (atleast somewhat) it makes sense that skynet would either intentionally or unknowingly impart human traits into it's programming.
It's sad to know that after Dark Fate, people admit this is a good Terminator movie. It has its flaws, but keeps the essence of the T-800: menacing and really difficult to destroy.
It's still not a good movie, Dark Fate/Genysis being terrible films doesn't make Salvation a good film. Does it help Salvation's image? Sure, but let's not get carried away. Salvation is still a massively flawed film, just not as flawed as Genysis/Dark Fate
I've never thought Salvation was a bad film. Especially with how demanding the fan base is for another perfect terminator film. Was salvation perfect? Hell no. Was it enjoyable as a terminator film with really good replay value despite it only being PG-13? Without a doubt. This was the only film since T2 where the terminators were properly portrayed as intimidating killing machines.
@@rahulranjan6168 Metal is killed with Force... Liquid is killed with Fire... T-800 is unstoppable if he is in close distance with you ... Atleast T-1000 can be slowed down...
I 100% agree, its fast and powerful not slow and ponderous, I like its HUD too, it's a nice modern take on the old one without that 80s dated look we still get from today's movies, they should of kept that HUD for the new movies, I hate the way the new terminators easily rip off the T800s arm off in the last two movies(Genysis arm&Dark Fate hand)
@@properduction2586 right i think thats the best way, find a 18 wheeler and try your best to crush and run it over. maybe if you were able to get a grenade. i dono if a grenade would harm a terminator
PIXEL It took the best leader of the resistance, a half human cyborg, cryogenic freeze and molten steel to take down a single t-800 prototype... let that sink in..
Providing the origin story for how John got the scar on his face is peak world building. Such a badass way to get a scar. If Halycon had not become bankrupt and allowed to finish the planned trilogy then I think we would be putting the Terminator franchise up there with Marvel and Star Wars. The direction they were going in this movie had real substance and meaning behind it
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 That’s cause Terminator fans are one of the most nostalgia-based fandoms out there. I’m not gonna lie, Genesys was mid and Dark Fate was ass, but people hated this one and T3 just for going off the formula a bit. They’re gonna make more terminator movies no matter how much we don’t want them, I blame the fans for being far too blinded by nostalgia to see the good potential of this film when it came out, and bringing us to where we are today
@@neroidius6915 I think the idea of killing off JC is what didn't set well, which even the comic of this goes into. Also the fact it was the throw-i-nator while it still had the flesh covering, like it was a gimmick wrestling match is another complaint But I agree this had more potential even than its predecessor. I just wish it had more plasma and lasers. Maybe a few things that were supposed to be in the script instead of the giant transformer-esque harvesting machine. I'm no puritan for nostalgia, but some criticism is valid. Unfortunately.
@@neroidius6915 T3 brought nothing new to the series and was generally awful. Salvation was maybe the most forgettable one out of all of them. Anything beyond that was actually just embarrassing. The Terminator franchise really didn't need to continue at all. It's not about nostalgia. If it was about nostalgia everybody would be pissing their pants over the endless Come with me if you want to live/I'll be back/Arnold awkwardly smiling references that get stuffed into every single movie since the second one. We're just sick of it being milked at this point because there hasn't been anything new or interested brought to the table since 1991.
In contrast in Terminator Dark Fate, where Dani is able to take on a Rev 9 in hand to hand combat, this film just shows how powerful the T800 machine is.
@@TheAJ2501 if you remember, Sarah Connor in the original movie was scare as hell when half of T-800 was crawling to kill her in the end. And why the hell Dani didn't scare? This is the goddamn robot-killer from the cruel future. Why do I must believe, that the REV-9 is the REAL motherfucker TERMINATOR, if Dani can just fight with this thing without any problems?
Salvation has a lot of potential, it's the only Terminator movie with different plot, all the others are " a terminater is sent back to kill someone and another is also sent back for protection" What I want is a Full on war movie with MAchine
He tried to burn and then freeze the T-800 because he remembered the final showdown from T2 when he was a boy. This movie actually had some pretty good writing and respect to the original movies. Can't say that about the reboots
I love the sound the machines and the terminators in this movie make when they move . It makes it feel so unique compared to the rest of the terminator films and differentiates in the movie from the rest with its own artistic flair.
Molten steel when exposed to cold air (for example being spilled from its container) is significantly less hot than molten steel inside of its container (like we saw in T2). Considering the T-800 in T2 was still functional for some time when it was fully submerged, it could even give that thumbs up, I think T-800 surviving molten metal being spilled over it in this scene is not bad or illogical but completely fair and the molten metal did weaken its endoskeleton enough that Marcus was able to rip T-800's head off.
The fact alone that the setting is for one different and you get to see the future war with skynet puts it higher on the list compared to the new movies.
Wow! They are actually respecting the mythology of the Terminator!! -He was mimicking Kyle Reese just like T-800 did in T1 (Mimicking Sarah's Mom) and T2 (Mimicking John Connor) -John tried to kill the terminator from hot liquid steel (Just like T-1000 died in the Hot liquid Steel) - At 2:52 Terminator was rising in a T-1000 manner. - At 3:14 John cools down the Terminator temporarily (Just like T-1000 got Frozen temporarily) - At 4:30 Terminator stabs John (Terminator likes stabbing people, in T1 he stabs a guy with a punch, in T2 T-1000 stabs multiple people like that foster father, that security guard even T-800 in the final fight) This movie is so Underrated!!
@@deferguard7748 Factually in T2 he got the scars in a different way, as that was the normal timeline where Judgment Day happened on August 29, 1997. In Salvation's universe, judgment day happened later on July 25, 2004.
All superficial little easter eggs. These things are supposed to be the cherry on top, little winks at fans while the whole movie around them works. Not the only things that work.
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But the story isn't about John because the story is about Kyle Reese and his crazy survival adventure that created John to fight Skyrim, I mean Skynet. John is the solution to the end, and Kyle Reese is the beginning and the middle.
The cut he gets at 3:20 is brilliant because if you watch the 1st terminator, you’ll see a old John Connor from the future with a scar on his face just like that .well done for that
So what? Do we REALLY need to see how characters got scars? Like, that was the only bad part about "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade." Edit: Lmao @CactusMalone, trying to justify terrible writing/direction 😂
The only positive about Terminator: Dark Fate - people are finally realizing and admitting that for all its' many flaws, Terminator Salvation at least had some original ideas and some real high points. Not a great film. But by far the best T2 follow-up.
HarpoTheVillain Yes, and at least it follows the original story with original characters. Genisys screwed up big time and Dark Fate are just a mess. I feel bad Linda had to be a part of it.
Oh yeah. Salvation made the t800 scary again. It let us see the future, let us see what humanity was dealing with closer to the turning of the tide, when we started making a comeback.
A real T2 sequel would show us the future war. Remember the scenes from the first two movies of the future? That's what the entire third movie should look like. It should show the resistances victory against the machines, the discovery of the time machine, and John Connor sending Kyle Reese and the first reprogrammed terminator back in time to the events of the first two movies, finally bringing the story full circle and giving a proper ending. Salvation at least tried to show the future war with the machines, which is a lot better than whatever Genisys tried to do and definitely better than just killing John and negating the entire thing the way they did in dark fate
As much as I love this movie, one thing that gets overlooked is the sound design. This film nailed it. The robotic sounds are terrifying, the hits deep and impactful. Score could have been better but for some reason studios no longer have the balls to go with the experimental soundscape industrial style of T1 and T2.
I could not disagree more, this is one of the main issues with the movies after the first two, it's the sound design. The sound design in the first two is just so distinctive and enhances the films atmosphere so fantastically well. The later films have a generic Hollywood score, sounds like every other action film. This film is no different. Why would the film director be content with this? it's like they never understood why the first two were so amazing.
@@TheLunarnotes While I thank you for the comment, you may probably want to re-read my comment as I go to special lengths to separate the score from the sound design which are two entirely different things, I even call the musical score of the later films "generic" and am only talking of the sound design, not the music. I am a sound engineer and musician so it comes with the territory and as such I am well aware of the history and difference of the musical score of the first two movies being primarily synth driven atmospheric sounds rather than classical orchestral pieces, but for whatever reason they stopped doing that post T2 and to my mind this was a dumb decisions by studios that actually cost them more money to implement a more classical orchestral sound track. And the problem with that for any movie now is you have Hanz Zimmer in the world and if he is not working on your movie then chances are your orchestral pieces will = shit by comparison of whatever he would have done. As for why be content with this if you made such a movie?... I don't think they get much choice. The corporations make most of the key decisions and they are informed on how to make them by marketing departments. "If you are in marketing. kill yourself" - Bill Hicks, 1991.
@@Nine-Signs Honestly I think the score is really good, with my only problem is that musical continuity isn't really maintained that well here as only the five notes that's in every Terminator film (in T3, it's only in the end credits) return. Personally, I like orchestral music more but if this was the more synth type score, I think it would have been really good, but the way the war looks here, I think the score being orchestral works more, but that's just me.
@@SpideyFan2002Honestly, I feel the biggest reason this film left such a bad taste in people's mouths by the end is because the end credits music is not the classic theme but a repeat of the intro theme. It indeed does make it feel less satisfying and gives the feeling that you just watched a B movie without even realizing why. Some of the acting needed to be better and some plot points could have been a bit better or more thought out, however overall it was a solid movie that was rough around the edges.
@@jeezed2950 The part of the classic theme that the film does maintain appears right after the "There is no fate but what we make" scene. Does that count as the end credits or was it something different?
*Salvation:* Marcus and John Connor struggle to defeat a somewhat indestructible Terminator *Dark Fate:* A skinny 5 ft 1 Mexican girl tackles a Terminator to the ground Edit: I realise the Rev-9 was weakened at the end of Dark Fate, but for a machine whose only job is to kill you at all costs, even if it was at only 1% health, getting within proximity to it, let alone tackling it, wouldn’t be the smartest strategy. Even the T-800 at end of T1, after getting blown apart and it crawling around on the ground, was still scary AF and Sarah Connor was intuitive enough to get away from it rather than wrestling it or trying to put it in a chokehold
I don't remember the mexican girl tackling any terminators to the ground in Dark Fate. She hardly did any fighting at all, and the woman who did was more machine than woman, just like Marcus here. Stop being such fucking incels already.
Wanderer 246 exactly 👍 this is the end of the original movie continuity terminator timeline that we first got 1984 to 2009 RIP and RIP terminator franchise as a whole
There is a comic book continuation called Terminator Salvation: Final Battle that not only continues the events of Salvation, but ties it with the events of T1 and T2 and ends the story.
It is more physical than a T-1000, but has more vulnerabilities because it has an endoskeleton. The T-1000 is not as physical but is much harder to kill because it always comes back to shape unless you can melt it down or freeze it.
@@jasonleetaiwan even T1000 not kill easy an t800 and you know they got hyperalloy (yes the strong metal in world), liquid or not is like dps vs a tank
one of the most underrated movies of all time..atleast salvation tried to have an orginal terminator story, not the same ol go back in time BS that we seen so many times.
I assume that after the failure of 'Dark Fate', this movie will get the recognition that it deserves. I always considered it the real T3. Not perfect, but cool anyway.
Leonardo Alaimo yup totally agree I never hated salvation and I was never into terminator genshits aka fake 5/castration of the terminator unverise lore or had any hope for terminator the dark NPC aka fake 3/the 3 minutes castration of John balls I was waiting for a logical continuation a continuity continuation of this movie timeline the build up I have been waiting for since the 1984 the terminator all the way to this movies sequel but never happened funny how everyone was first like bashing the fuck out of salvation aka the sequel/prequel to the first trilogy MIND YOU!!! and now after they all got fucked by NPC dark fate they are now waking up to the bullshit they now are sucking up to salvation WHAT THE FUCK 🤨 GOSH DAMN IT TO ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS who don’t know what’s good for you FUCK YOU 🖕🤨🖕
@@leonardo_alaimo I hope it will be revised somehow, genysis,dark shit and the second half of t3 made fatal wounds on the terminator saga. The tv series was acceptable despite of its weak episodes. T1 and 2, salvation and one ending part showing the future war would be a good storytelling forgetting the others.
After so many years this film finally gets its well deserved recognition. Best Timeline T1,T2,T3, T Salvation... Let's just ignore "Genesis" and "Dark Fart"
@@Shadowkaden In setting and music, but Terminator 3 was the last movie where Arnold played his great role as Terminator without looking like an idiot, plus the TX was a great performance. It is difficult to say which was better because the scenes of action in salvation are phenomenal, but it has very big holes in the plot. In any case, these 2 movies are much better than the last 2 despite their flaws.
@@C-F98Yeah. This guy was a criminal, a thief and a murderer. It seems he even had some form military training but probably was discharged and instead of finding an honest living he went rogue with his brother and they certainly had some brains to pull off a number of bank heists and know how to kill people. Marcus in the end still killed his own brother though and some cops before he was arrested and trialed and placed on death row. This guy has experience. Pity he only learn to take a second shot at humanity only after his death and awakening as something else. But he still redeemed himself saving the leader of the last of humankind remnants and protector. I was really hoping if they were to continue this franchise they could explore more on Marcus and bring him back in future films alongside John connor as his right hand man. Oh well.
3:20 the scars on his face in Terminator 2 when we saw him at the war looking through the binoculars, there were the scars on his face from this scene where he was scraped. Gotta love the movie details.
Actually they didn't, this model of a T800 is similar to original but although it isn't the same, the original models of T1 & T2 had a smaler chest and and a bit smaller endosceleton in general, this one too wide
yes, the tx was terrifying and here the most ashy terminators like hydrobots were ruthless. In the last 2 pairsen stormtrooper from star wars, nothing intimidating.
this scene is out of the context because the t800 in the first movie explode with a bomb or dinamite in here scene the T800 are invencible well Good dont canon movie thanks for god
@@shadowbluezeroex If I am not wrong, the T800 of the first movie kept going even after the dynamite and the second movie it was already heavily damaged. Here, they are fighting a freshly built version and without suitable weapons, so I'd say this scene makes sense.
I've always liked Salvation. It's understandable the amount of emotional investment put into the franchise, watching a Terminator movie for the first time without Arnold must have done some people's heads in. Well. Most. Only years later do they realize that it is actually a great movie.
I liked it too...it was the biggest ALMOST out of the ones after T2 in that it was a v good concept, had the right cast amd also was set during the aftermath which we hadnt properly seen. Just always had the feeling if they got a few more things right this cpuld have been a REALLY good installment
The only bad part was the ending in my opinion. That pipe trough the heart stuff was just silly. Without it would be much better... Imagine a sequel with John and Marcus and of course plasma rifles... but now we got genisys and dark fate...
Didn't help that the SPFX are horrible too. In both movie the flesh is burned off the Terminator; here it looks so real and scary as hell, but in Genysis it's so fake looking. The Terminator looks like perfectly polished chrome which wouldn't be the case.
while this movie might not have been the best, the way they portrayed the T-800 was absolutely amazing and the use of the voice modulator to trick John into exposing his location was something that needs to be used more often
this movie is like the revenge of the sith a first people didn’t like it but with the new more terrible movies this one looks so much better (i always liked this one)
Samuel Hewson I know right out of the sequels this was the only logical route to go any logical fucking person with brain knows that from a continuity stand point but unfortunately the world has become more stupidly dumb so then 😒 Iam so glad I stuck with japan entertainment now and with there anime games and merchandise is now ghost in the shell patlaber Gundam black lagoon Star blazer gurren lagann and many other USA iam so done with ya. Anyway 1984 to 2009 terminator RIP franchise
this new one was really good why do yall complain bout it? Cus it was an almost full woman cast? It was packed with action from the start, good story but kinda wanky at times
I like this movie how it actually shows us what happened after the war and how hard it was for the resistance to take down terminators before they had plasma weapons
I remember, even before entering the theater opening weekend, I already loved the vibe and story with this, especially when they added an Alice in Chains song
It's like with the Star Wars prequels. It took some really shitty sequels in Genisys and Dark Fate to make people realize the effort put forth in Salvation was at least somewhat respectable, if incredibly flawed. Just like Disney made the SW prequels look better after the sequel trilogy completely blew as a story.
It’s such a shame this movie didn’t get as much love as it should have. I think it will be looked back upon as one of the better sequels since T2. - it was different from the usual travel back in time to kill someone. - you got to see the war of the future and what a wasteland it is. You survive nuclear fire only to be faced with being shepherded to death camps & exterminated by cyborg Nazis. That’s a terrifying proposition. - Kyle Reese as a boy with John knowing that it is his father. A father that he would fatefully send to his death or it will mean his own death if he doesn’t send him. A sequel could have established that he essentially becomes the father figure to his own son! Which would create really intriguing relationship & drama dynamics. - the idea of a terminator with an actual human mind and heart is an interesting concept. - the T800 is once again terrifying and near unstoppable with conventional weapons. - John knows the certain details of the future, but he cannot understand and foresee how they fit into his present or future and neither is the future set, which makes the ‘predicted’ become unpredictable. I really wished they had a sequel to Salvation rather than the T2 plot rehashed 3 times now - T3, Genisys & Dark Fate.
@Masster Gunnz Indeed it's all relative. Now that we have tasted the later Terminator films, it does seem a lot better than it did at the time. Kinda like the Star Wars prequels and Moffat's Doctor Who.
I guessed many people didn't like film because Arnold is not in it, Christian Bale is miscast as John Connor, no liquid metal Terminator, and and no time travel plot involved.
@@nicoledreamcr4666 That what you think the Terminator franchise is about? Funny I always thought it was about John Connor becoming the leader of the Human Resistance and leading the human race to victory over skynet and the machines. That's why I think this movie is a great Terminator movie. Because it moves the story forward to next chapter. John Connor is an adult, the war between humans and skynet is full swing. I finally got to see the future war that the first two movies teased at.
I always liked the small attention to detail when the T800 briefly raises its head and scans for a weakness on Markus at 0:58, it's small but I think it's cool seeing the Terminator... Learn? It's enemy.
There's lots of tiny details. Like when Marcus hits the T800 with it uses the same sound effects from the original movie. This part were john hits it with molten metal and liquid nitrogen are also defences to T2
I don't understand why people hated this movie. They should have carried on after this movie and have us a God damn future war. But no they had to make a shity prequel
The t800 in this looked unbelievable compared to the one in genisys. Why couldn't they used this model for the other films. The noise of the terminators too really added to the effect. This film really showed how tough the t800's really are.
when the shots is viewed through the eyes of the T 800 you can see all those white dots scattered around the environment, those dots are the same common techniques visual effect artist use to track a 3 dimensional space in a 2 dimensional image, it makes sense for a robot needing it to have a better environmental awareness. cool detail.
ur on the band wagon of all the people saying it was good,,,,how on earth was it good,,,it was just as dumb as genis made zero fucking sense. Look we all like girl power like everyone else but really 3 female leads in this,,,like them destroying the entire john conner story was stupid,,,they could of just added this chick and say like * you are very important role in johns life,,,with out you he won't win!! That alone would be 10x better cause then it even shows john needs help from another person who is a women which isn't a problem. But they just destroy john for the sake of * it has to be about a women this time! That aside it was just a shit fest movie.
Terminator Salvation is the best Terminator after Terminator 2. Terminator Salvation's "universe" is the one to be explored, not this going back in time rehash stuff. Christian Bale is a fantastic John Connor. Common was good as well.
Upon rewatch, this movies actually a perfectly good Terminator film. It’s wonderfully paced, great action, the effects are killer for the time, and hold up quite well, the performances are great, especially Bale and Yelchin. I don’t think it really deserves the hate it gets
I enjoyed this film. I liked the change of direction and actors for this Terminator too. Its so much better that some of the others I think. Underrated film
This film deserves a lot more credit than it gets. Love seeing the post Judgement Day world and the ware against the Terminators like this. The Marcus character was fascinating as unlike any other Terminator he was a true cyborg with both biological and machine components. The T-800 basically an android or robot.
I concur. Salvation is my favourite movie cause we get to see the actual resistance and not just Sarah and John or Kate and John being protected by Arnold from a better killing machine. That's exactly why I won't watch Dark Fate. Just the same crap from T-1 to T-3 all over again. I wish we could have seen Connor's story continue.😭😭
I love how, at the beginning, the soundtrack (Final Confrontation) sounds oddly familiar to the original Terminator movie but very orchestrail and unique in its own way. This movie deserves more love.
Why does the CGI in this film look better than the PS2 looking terminators in Genesis and in Dark Fate??? I mean just look how crisp it looks at 4:114:37 and 0:23 amazing
This movie is better than dark date, and the ending where Marcus saved john’s life by giving way his life to be order to save John that scene was so sad but very impressive movie to watch
loool this whole situation is so much like Alien franchise. When Prometheus came out, everyone hated it. But after few years they made Alien: Covenant and people hated it so much that they started to appreciate Prometheus more with fresh ideas
dont get me wrong, I really liked prometheus and the ideas ridley tried to convey....but boy, some stuff was just pure idiocy (vagina snake, helmets, getting lost etc pp)
2:00 *Hears Kyle calling for help* "Don't do it, John. You known that terminator is trying to trick you..." *Does it anyway and come face-to-face with the T-RIP* "I knew it!"
Back in the day i didn`t like the movie that much, but after Genesys and Dark Fate i am starting to appreciate it - And by the way, the CGI in Salvation is much much MUCH better than in Dark Fate.
@@julianzabala9010 I personally liked Dark Fate as in watching it in theathers. But I definitely liked Salvation and appreciated more of it's concept than the whole entire offering of Dark Fate.
Dark Fate had good action scenes but everything else was quite lackluster. The visuals and acting was good but everything else, especially the story/plot, falls apart when you think about it. I enjoyed what I could out of the film but it ultimately failed to really do anything special.
@@RevoltingRudi FYI, in the original script, John was supposed to die & his face was grafted onto Marcus' face & he would fight the war, because the Idea of John Connor was more important than him being alive.
@@Lyoko42o thats the shit scares me of salvation , i love the movie but if the original ending wasnt leaked then that shit of Jhon Connor dead would make T1 and T2 pointless and is a worst twist than Dark Fakes killing boy John Conner. jesus we dodged that bullet...
@@viralslayer8287 Oh you wanna hear the OTHER alternate ending to this? Same as the other one, John dies but Marcus swaps faces with him. Only THIS time he suddenly turns evil for no damn reason and kills EVERYONE in the tent! Including Kate and Reese!!! And that's it
@@zillafire101 because it was cringe af! Just watch terminator 1 when it was blown to shit and you will see the difference. There was far more fear and weight behind the movie and the female character was far more believable and likeable. Not some preachy tiresome narrative of empowerment.
@@no1guinness Genisys also what all over the originals, probably even more so. And I just watched the movie. Other then one or two scenes, not really that preachy.
The t-800 endoskeleton is much heavier than the one of rev-9 but it is still ridiculous to easily tackle a terminator like that for such a short and skinny girl !!!
I agree but in he genisis and dark fate the t800 was old and obsolete. Skynet was self aware that humans could re program t800 so they manufactured terminators that were in destructable to t800 and could easily defeat the t800.
@Scuddy2.0 Scuddy2.0 let me write it out. Salvation is greater then T3 is greater then T6 is greater then T5. Of those 4 movies Slavation is the "greatest". Where did you go to school?
This was a damn fun movie. Great cgi and effects, fantastic action sequences, but most importantly: it not only fits perfectly into the canon of the series but also makes sense and has a fun premise. Something the writers for the new terminator films didn't really seem to grasp the concept of.
To be fair, I don’t really think they would be afraid of the terminators after seeing and battling them after a few years. Still afraid of dying....the sight of a terminator not so much probably.
@@legitme7572 you think they wouldn't still be afraid of the latest in the line of the most effective killing machine ever made? Seems unlikely to me 😅 Also they're trying to show off that he's not quite human, but heart rate isn't just a fear response it's also necessary to supply blood flow during exercise so they've missed the mark entirely
3:15 so that's how John got his scars , I remember seeing the adult John in the opening of T2 and seeing his scars I always wondered what happened I never realized u til now that's how he got his scars
This movie at least keeps with the relentlessness of the T-800. In T1, it was still trying to finish it's assignment, even as it was being crushed by a Hydraulic Press. In T2, it was still trying to protect John, even after having an arm destroyed along with many other structural compromises, to the point where it was literally dragging itself across the ground to continue against a much stronger opponent. In T3, it continues after the T-X after being mostly destroyed. And in this one, even as it's slowly being encased in molten metal, it's trying to push through. That relentlessness is what makes the T-800 so scary as a movie monster, but also so respectable as a Hero.
Salvation was one of the best movie in the franchise post Terminator 2. The only thing it suffered was a clunky dual-narrative. That said, Bale and Worthington carried the movie.
I love how obvious the difference is between Marcus and the T-800. And I don’t mean superficial differences like one has skin and the other doesn’t, or physical differences like one’s a robot and the other’s a cyborg. I mean the difference in how they fight and advantages one has over the other. Marcus is just as strong as the T-800, but the T-800 has an advantage over Marcus. The T-800 is a machine, plain and simple. It doesn’t feel pain and it doesn’t get distracted by the damage it’s taking. Marcus on the other hand is arguably still human. He feels pain, his mind gets easily distracted by said pain. The T-800 was being pounded by Marcus, but as it isn’t distracted by such things, it was able to strategize and stop Marcus from hitting it. After which Marcus suddenly got fearful and didn’t start hitting it with his other hand right away like the T-800 no doubt would have if their roles were reversed. Marcus has all the strengths of his opponent, but his weakness in this case is his human factor.
@@craignicholls167 more like marcus body has more weaknesses and is less durable then the T-800. There is a pressure point there and it seems like the T-800 used that to its advantage.
Terminator 3 is also salvageable. It was the last movie where Arnold played the Terminator without looking stupid. He also connects the susesos between t-2 and t-4 and explains how he took command and meets skynet through his wife, his kate.
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I like the touch that John didn't relax after burying the T-800 in molten metal. He knew it was not dead and started backing away, getting ready to continue fighting it. It shows how he clearly learned from experience.
Actually it was his first encounter with a t800 in this scene. Nonetheless he was well aware that it is unstoppable so I'd better stay away
@@TheSiNnEr734 As a tween he saw a T-800 jump into molten metal and still be able to perform farewell gestures so I'd say he remembered full well it wasn't something to guarantee an instant kill.
Side note but related. At 2:52 that I swear is the Grim Reaper remade in molten steel and hate-filled machinery.
@@szklanylabirynt151 Jump, lol. Watch the scene again.
@@patrickbliss9264 * be lowered into it. Yep. That checks out. Sorry about that.
Best T800 representation till now. Flawless endoskeleton, he actually really try to kill, he uses tricks like voice imitation, almost unstoppable, scary as hell, and really realistic because of combination of practical effects and cgi .
only thing I hate about salvation is the terminators throwing people around when they could just terminate them with a fist to the skull.
@T-800 There's not a single time the protagonists would let themselves get close to a killer terminator in T1 and T2. Where did you get that?
@@Waterbug1591 well kyle resee hit the t800 with a metal bar in teh head and is tossed witha bitch slap...
In T2 the bar fight witha pool cane to the head,and t800 launch a biker to the kitchen...
t2 a pescadero female guard hit arnie in the head and arnie simply tossed her away..
t3 the tx is hitted in the head,,tossed arnold across bathrooms.
t4,,the same with the t800 in the head a lot of times
its somekind of bug..or somekind of anger reaction
@@FULANODETAL 1. Kyle Reese was mortally wounded after that slap.
2. He was the protagonist, they did that to position him as the good guy. What's the excuse these guys have?
3. By the time they were in Pescadero, terminator is directly forbidden to kill by John Connor.
4. TX is incredibly durable, T800 (or 850, whatever) is merely trying to stall TX, allowing the party to escape.
5. I don't know what you mean.
Once it gets hold of you, a superhuman murder machine would never let you go until you are f'cking dead. There is nothing to justify what we are seeing in this film.
@@Waterbug1591 I agree but there right in the first movie he does throw people around to but in the rated r of this movie script the director wanted to have a couple of guys around to have the terminator kill before he gets to John to show how menacing the t600 and t800 were
*When the T-800 rises up from the molten metal and wears it like a cloak...total Grim Reaper moment.*
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Well terminaters are vessels of death.
It reminds me of Dr. Doom
3:25 he looks like Megatron in 1 part of transformers.
I love how indestructible, yet physical the T800 was in this movie. Nailed all the points, even that extra spark of murder must that’s very untypical for a machine.
That's what made it so scary in the first movie. The more damaged it became, the more psychopathic it seemed to be. Almost like the thing wasn't just a machine. It was almost like there was something evil there which the red eyes helped with
@@aaronkenyon7112 The T-800 in the first time was already severely damaged by the third act which is why it’s acting more ravenous
@@Johnny_Serenity ye it was being logical, due to it being so heavily damaged and now exposed at that time it knew it only had a limited time before it was completely figured out and a lot more than just police showed up to take it down. As such, it was rushing more and more to get the job done and being less careless. It's like impatience, but on the logical side of things.
The problem for me is the earlier part of the fight and chase where the T-800, for nothing more than plot convenience, throws John around instead of crushing his skull or digging his heart out. The rest of the sequence is pretty chilling and well done - it's just the practicality of the fight that annoys me quite a lot. In the 1984 original the T-800 was much more dangerous up close.
@@Ripa-MorameeIn the tech noir shootout, why did it not pick up it's uzi instead of chasing sarah and reese on foot? Why did it feel the need to execute it's victims in the loudest way possible instead of killing them off silently so as not to alert the real sarah (in case the one it killed wasn't the right one)? Why did the t800 not wait for a better opportunity or get into the police station some other way instead of just massacring everyone? Why did it run away after the car crash instead of getting sarah then and there? Why did it feel the need to make one-liners like "wrong" or "i'll be back"?
It's pretty obvious that the t800 in the first movie is not that logical, and it seems to almost have an ego, as if it's getting frustrated at failing to kill it's target.We also have to remember that skynet itself does have a personality of some kind, and since the t800 is made to fit in with humanity (atleast somewhat) it makes sense that skynet would either intentionally or unknowingly impart human traits into it's programming.
It's sad to know that after Dark Fate, people admit this is a good Terminator movie. It has its flaws, but keeps the essence of the T-800: menacing and really difficult to destroy.
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@@HolyShitItsHim1 no
It's sad because this was never a bad terminator film. Yet it always got lumped together with those other garbage sequels/reboots/whatever.
It's still not a good movie, Dark Fate/Genysis being terrible films doesn't make Salvation a good film. Does it help Salvation's image? Sure, but let's not get carried away. Salvation is still a massively flawed film, just not as flawed as Genysis/Dark Fate
I've never thought Salvation was a bad film. Especially with how demanding the fan base is for another perfect terminator film. Was salvation perfect? Hell no. Was it enjoyable as a terminator film with really good replay value despite it only being PG-13? Without a doubt. This was the only film since T2 where the terminators were properly portrayed as intimidating killing machines.
Even by today’s standards the CGI in this film is fantastic
That’s what happens when you have a $200+ million dollar budget
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No CGI today can match this.
@@lordtark6736 facts
thats what happens when you use practical effects animatronics
i feel the portrayal of T800 in this movieis as it is supposed to be....lethal, menacing and indestructible killing machine....
This scene really shows how powerful the classic T800 is.
They Need either advanced plasma weapons or other strong and/or unorthodox methods to kill them.
And those are the foot soldiers.
All they need is either a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range or a oozie nien milliemeteur
@@rahulranjan6168
Metal is killed with Force...
Liquid is killed with Fire...
T-800 is unstoppable if he is in close distance with you ... Atleast T-1000 can be slowed down...
I 100% agree, its fast and powerful not slow and ponderous, I like its HUD too, it's a nice modern take on the old one without that 80s dated look we still get from today's movies, they should of kept that HUD for the new movies, I hate the way the new terminators easily rip off the T800s arm off in the last two movies(Genysis arm&Dark Fate hand)
2:54 I honestly love this shot, it looks like the grim reaper.
Well T800 is like a metal embodiment of death itself. Because a literal killing machine.
This just really shows how f**king hard it is to take down a single terminator
you basically can't, unless you trick *it* with extreme cold/hot conditions or crushing machinery (and of course futuristic weapons)
Its probably just best to run away or get in a car and drive away. How fast can a terminator t-800 run again? lol they are pretty much indestructible.
@@properduction2586 right i think thats the best way, find a 18 wheeler and try your best to crush and run it over. maybe if you were able to get a grenade. i dono if a grenade would harm a terminator
@@jessejames863 A grenade probably would if you shove the bitch inside it's chest.
PIXEL
It took the best leader of the resistance, a half human cyborg, cryogenic freeze and molten steel to take down a single t-800 prototype... let that sink in..
Providing the origin story for how John got the scar on his face is peak world building. Such a badass way to get a scar. If Halycon had not become bankrupt and allowed to finish the planned trilogy then I think we would be putting the Terminator franchise up there with Marvel and Star Wars. The direction they were going in this movie had real substance and meaning behind it
The "trilogy" would never have gotten made this movie was a bomb and people hated it
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 That’s cause Terminator fans are one of the most nostalgia-based fandoms out there. I’m not gonna lie, Genesys was mid and Dark Fate was ass, but people hated this one and T3 just for going off the formula a bit. They’re gonna make more terminator movies no matter how much we don’t want them, I blame the fans for being far too blinded by nostalgia to see the good potential of this film when it came out, and bringing us to where we are today
@@neroidius6915 I think the idea of killing off JC is what didn't set well, which even the comic of this goes into. Also the fact it was the throw-i-nator while it still had the flesh covering, like it was a gimmick wrestling match is another complaint
But I agree this had more potential even than its predecessor. I just wish it had more plasma and lasers. Maybe a few things that were supposed to be in the script instead of the giant transformer-esque harvesting machine.
I'm no puritan for nostalgia, but some criticism is valid. Unfortunately.
@@neroidius6915 T3 brought nothing new to the series and was generally awful. Salvation was maybe the most forgettable one out of all of them. Anything beyond that was actually just embarrassing.
The Terminator franchise really didn't need to continue at all. It's not about nostalgia. If it was about nostalgia everybody would be pissing their pants over the endless Come with me if you want to live/I'll be back/Arnold awkwardly smiling references that get stuffed into every single movie since the second one. We're just sick of it being milked at this point because there hasn't been anything new or interested brought to the table since 1991.
Instead, we’re putting the Terminator franchise down there with Marvel and Star Wars.
In contrast in Terminator Dark Fate, where Dani is able to take on a Rev 9 in hand to hand combat, this film just shows how powerful the T800 machine is.
I'm sorry......what?!
She can fight......A TERMINATOR?!
Actually, Rev-9 went inside a [REDACTED] and was badly damaged. So it was a "fair fight" to her against Rev-9, with a lot of help.
Ikr🤦♂️
@@TheAJ2501 if you remember, Sarah Connor in the original movie was scare as hell when half of T-800 was crawling to kill her in the end. And why the hell Dani didn't scare? This is the goddamn robot-killer
from the cruel future. Why do I must believe, that the REV-9 is the REAL motherfucker TERMINATOR, if Dani can just fight with this thing without any problems?
Salvation has a lot of potential, it's the only Terminator movie with different plot, all the others are " a terminater is sent back to kill someone and another is also sent back for protection" What I want is a Full on war movie with MAchine
He tried to burn and then freeze the T-800 because he remembered the final showdown from T2 when he was a boy. This movie actually had some pretty good writing and respect to the original movies. Can't say that about the reboots
I love the sound the machines and the terminators in this movie make when they move . It makes it feel so unique compared to the rest of the terminator films and differentiates in the movie from the rest with its own artistic flair.
I also like the musical score written by Danny Elfman.
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the metallic grinding is so fucking badass and terrifying
Sounds like transformers to me. I’d rather have the mechanic piston sounds from T1 that sounds like true stalker horror.
@@robertusher5612 T1's T-800 sounded like this because of the explosion damage :v
The Harvester sounded like it was manufactured and imported directly from hell. I fucking love it!
Molten steel when exposed to cold air (for example being spilled from its container) is significantly less hot than molten steel inside of its container (like we saw in T2). Considering the T-800 in T2 was still functional for some time when it was fully submerged, it could even give that thumbs up, I think T-800 surviving molten metal being spilled over it in this scene is not bad or illogical but completely fair and the molten metal did weaken its endoskeleton enough that Marcus was able to rip T-800's head off.
Fun fact:they later upgraded the T-800 by changing I endo skeleton from titanium to Colton which can withstand even hotter tempatures
@@randommoron9892 Yes, true.
@@mystictomato9466 yea also the T-850 the terminator in T-3 should have this upgrade and can withstand plasma
@@randommoron9892 True but thats only for the T-850 which was alot tougher than the T-800 and even the T-1000.
@@Ritiwayra yep
2:11 I nearly forgot that a terminator can do that. Changing voice or whatever you call it.
creeps me out
Because it stopped doing that for some reason past T2
Mimic
A Robot Model forgetting it's purpose. Iron Giant headass.
How did you, you are the T- 800
This movie didn’t deserve the hate it got...
I personally consider it one of my favourite Terminator movies.
The fact alone that the setting is for one different and you get to see the future war with skynet puts it higher on the list compared to the new movies.
I agree. This movie is very underrated.
LMAO!!!!!
@@alansilvero I agree, especially now with modern effects I want to see more of the future war.
Imo we got Terminator, T2, and Terminator: Salvation. The rest are horrible.
Wow! They are actually respecting the mythology of the Terminator!!
-He was mimicking Kyle Reese just like T-800 did in T1 (Mimicking Sarah's Mom) and T2 (Mimicking John Connor)
-John tried to kill the terminator from hot liquid steel (Just like T-1000 died in the Hot liquid Steel)
- At 2:52 Terminator was rising in a T-1000 manner.
- At 3:14 John cools down the Terminator temporarily (Just like T-1000 got Frozen temporarily)
- At 4:30 Terminator stabs John (Terminator likes stabbing people, in T1 he stabs a guy with a punch, in T2 T-1000 stabs multiple people like that foster father, that security guard even T-800 in the final fight)
This movie is so Underrated!!
Also T-800 giving John Connor scars. (We saw them on John Connor in the beginning scene of T2)
Movies atleast a 5.5/10,likely 6.25/10,maybe even 6.5/10
@@utoresa5193 But still higher than Genesis and Dark Fate which is like 0.5/10
@@deferguard7748 Factually in T2 he got the scars in a different way, as that was the normal timeline where Judgment Day happened on August 29, 1997. In Salvation's universe, judgment day happened later on July 25, 2004.
All superficial little easter eggs. These things are supposed to be the cherry on top, little winks at fans while the whole movie around them works. Not the only things that work.
At least this movie is about John Connor, I really enjoy it.
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@The R. Your are right, but it's still a John conner in this movie😂
@@adamson5779 definitely i like this one then the new one😅
But the story isn't about John because the story is about Kyle Reese and his crazy survival adventure that created John to fight Skyrim, I mean Skynet. John is the solution to the end, and Kyle Reese is the beginning and the middle.
Alex Capra, I get it 😂
Imagine this machine having a family in the countryside and working as a decorator to earn his living
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If the terminator got a divorce, would he pay alimony and child support?
Wondering what it’s like terminator having erection
But can it run crysis ?
That sounds like total craziness and fan fiction to me.
Still to this day, I can't believe Marcus was the prototype for the T-800. Pretty cool to think how far Skynet came with infiltration units.
I think Marcus was more and T700 infiltration , their are more light to become more humans
Well a hybrid, known as Project ‘Angel’, something like that
The cut he gets at 3:20 is brilliant because if you watch the 1st terminator, you’ll see a old John Connor from the future with a scar on his face just like that .well done for that
That's T2.
Just realized after re-watching this, nice little detail added.
@@mikespearwood3914 you are 100% correct for some reason I thought It was the 1st
T2 and T3 😁
So what? Do we REALLY need to see how characters got scars? Like, that was the only bad part about "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade."
Edit: Lmao @CactusMalone, trying to justify terrible writing/direction 😂
They should have just continue the story and showed us how the resistance get plasma weapons..
Prob from dead terminators
Naxion DustKeeper That was the plan. It was going to be a trilogy
Jus take the first 5 minutes of Genisys and consider it a small sequel to this movie😂
@Tony Campuzzano Genysis is its own timeline.
Well if you look it up kyle Reese(the terminator version) later on steals them from a skynet weapons depot and they use them against the t800 and HK's
The only positive about Terminator: Dark Fate - people are finally realizing and admitting that for all its' many flaws, Terminator Salvation at least had some original ideas and some real high points.
Not a great film. But by far the best T2 follow-up.
HarpoTheVillain Yes, and at least it follows the original story with original characters. Genisys screwed up big time and Dark Fate are just a mess. I feel bad Linda had to be a part of it.
I wish they stuck with the original planned ending for Salvation, Have Connor get Marcus' heart & he kills the whole resistance.
Well. We always know that 1 & 2 are always the best. Like nothing will beat Judgement Day
Oh yeah. Salvation made the t800 scary again. It let us see the future, let us see what humanity was dealing with closer to the turning of the tide, when we started making a comeback.
A real T2 sequel would show us the future war. Remember the scenes from the first two movies of the future? That's what the entire third movie should look like. It should show the resistances victory against the machines, the discovery of the time machine, and John Connor sending Kyle Reese and the first reprogrammed terminator back in time to the events of the first two movies, finally bringing the story full circle and giving a proper ending. Salvation at least tried to show the future war with the machines, which is a lot better than whatever Genisys tried to do and definitely better than just killing John and negating the entire thing the way they did in dark fate
As much as I love this movie, one thing that gets overlooked is the sound design. This film nailed it. The robotic sounds are terrifying, the hits deep and impactful. Score could have been better but for some reason studios no longer have the balls to go with the experimental soundscape industrial style of T1 and T2.
I could not disagree more, this is one of the main issues with the movies after the first two, it's the sound design. The sound design in the first two is just so distinctive and enhances the films atmosphere so fantastically well. The later films have a generic Hollywood score, sounds like every other action film. This film is no different. Why would the film director be content with this? it's like they never understood why the first two were so amazing.
@@TheLunarnotes While I thank you for the comment, you may probably want to re-read my comment as I go to special lengths to separate the score from the sound design which are two entirely different things, I even call the musical score of the later films "generic" and am only talking of the sound design, not the music.
I am a sound engineer and musician so it comes with the territory and as such I am well aware of the history and difference of the musical score of the first two movies being primarily synth driven atmospheric sounds rather than classical orchestral pieces, but for whatever reason they stopped doing that post T2 and to my mind this was a dumb decisions by studios that actually cost them more money to implement a more classical orchestral sound track.
And the problem with that for any movie now is you have Hanz Zimmer in the world and if he is not working on your movie then chances are your orchestral pieces will = shit by comparison of whatever he would have done.
As for why be content with this if you made such a movie?... I don't think they get much choice. The corporations make most of the key decisions and they are informed on how to make them by marketing departments.
"If you are in marketing. kill yourself"
- Bill Hicks, 1991.
@@Nine-Signs
Honestly I think the score is really good, with my only problem is that musical continuity isn't really maintained that well here as only the five notes that's in every Terminator film (in T3, it's only in the end credits) return. Personally, I like orchestral music more but if this was the more synth type score, I think it would have been really good, but the way the war looks here, I think the score being orchestral works more, but that's just me.
@@SpideyFan2002Honestly, I feel the biggest reason this film left such a bad taste in people's mouths by the end is because the end credits music is not the classic theme but a repeat of the intro theme. It indeed does make it feel less satisfying and gives the feeling that you just watched a B movie without even realizing why. Some of the acting needed to be better and some plot points could have been a bit better or more thought out, however overall it was a solid movie that was rough around the edges.
@@jeezed2950
The part of the classic theme that the film does maintain appears right after the "There is no fate but what we make" scene. Does that count as the end credits or was it something different?
*Salvation:* Marcus and John Connor struggle to defeat a somewhat indestructible Terminator
*Dark Fate:* A skinny 5 ft 1 Mexican girl tackles a Terminator to the ground
Edit: I realise the Rev-9 was weakened at the end of Dark Fate, but for a machine whose only job is to kill you at all costs, even if it was at only 1% health, getting within proximity to it, let alone tackling it, wouldn’t be the smartest strategy. Even the T-800 at end of T1, after getting blown apart and it crawling around on the ground, was still scary AF and Sarah Connor was intuitive enough to get away from it rather than wrestling it or trying to put it in a chokehold
@@kanuh AGREED
@@kanuh now yall can't see what I said so you can stop crying
Any 5ft girl tackling a Terminator is ridiculous regardless of where she's from
And remember that Marcus its a Terminator Hibrid
So that kinda....wow
I don't remember the mexican girl tackling any terminators to the ground in Dark Fate. She hardly did any fighting at all, and the woman who did was more machine than woman, just like Marcus here.
Stop being such fucking incels already.
Salvation is da perfect continuity. T1: Reese protect Sarah
T2: Terminator protect John
Tsalvation: John protect Reese
Khairul Jay That’s a good way of putting it. It’s a nice full circle (leaving out Rise of the Machines, of course lol).
Khairul Jay
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Reese protects sarah
Sarah protects John (with help of t-800)
John protects reese (with help of marcus)
T3 we don’t talk about or dark fate or t5
Not only that, but they gave Connor his infamous scar. They had all the groundwork in place for a sequel.
T3 being the sequel to T2
This terminator timeline is still the best one to me because it goes:
T1 > T2 >T3 >Tsalvation
I just wished they continued this one
Wanderer 246 exactly 👍 this is the end of the original movie continuity terminator timeline that we first got 1984 to 2009 RIP and RIP terminator franchise as a whole
There is a comic book continuation called Terminator Salvation: Final Battle that not only continues the events of Salvation, but ties it with the events of T1 and T2 and ends the story.
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso Sauce me bro, can I read it online?
@@Andriej69 Yes. Go to readcomiconline.to and search for Terminator Salvation: Final Battle.
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso Damn, I think it's the same site I've read "Crossed" and "The Thing" comics on, but that was a whhhiiiile ago...
Many thanks!
The T-800 looks the most intimidating out of all the Terminators despite not being the most powerful.
It is more physical than a T-1000, but has more vulnerabilities because it has an endoskeleton. The T-1000 is not as physical but is much harder to kill because it always comes back to shape unless you can melt it down or freeze it.
@@jasonleetaiwan even T1000 not kill easy an t800 and you know they got hyperalloy (yes the strong metal in world), liquid or not is like dps vs a tank
one of the most underrated movies of all time..atleast salvation tried to have an orginal terminator story, not the same ol go back in time BS that we seen so many times.
This movie almost hit the original standards of t1 and t2, no shitty jokes and unnecessary fun parts at least
I assume that after the failure of 'Dark Fate', this movie will get the recognition that it deserves. I always considered it the real T3. Not perfect, but cool anyway.
Leonardo Alaimo yup totally agree I never hated salvation and I was never into terminator genshits aka fake 5/castration of the terminator unverise lore or had any hope for terminator the dark NPC aka fake 3/the 3 minutes castration of John balls I was waiting for a logical continuation a continuity continuation of this movie timeline the build up I have been waiting for since the 1984 the terminator all the way to this movies sequel but never happened
funny how everyone was first like bashing the fuck out of salvation aka the sequel/prequel to the first trilogy MIND YOU!!! and now after they all got fucked by NPC dark fate they are now waking up to the bullshit they now are sucking up to salvation WHAT THE FUCK 🤨 GOSH DAMN IT TO ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS who don’t know what’s good for you FUCK YOU
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@@leonardo_alaimo I hope it will be revised somehow, genysis,dark shit and the second half of t3 made fatal wounds on the terminator saga. The tv series was acceptable despite of its weak episodes. T1 and 2, salvation and one ending part showing the future war would be a good storytelling forgetting the others.
Agreed, but NO one cared whenever I championed this film. So we got no sequel. Thank the TH-cam morons for that.
This fight scene and this film are both severely underrated
After so many years this film finally gets its well deserved recognition.
Best Timeline T1,T2,T3, T Salvation... Let's just ignore "Genesis" and "Dark Fart"
Yes!
Yeah killing John connor is the worst thing to do in a terminator movie
Salvation is better than T3
And T3, you complete mad man.
@@Shadowkaden In setting and music, but Terminator 3 was the last movie where Arnold played his great role as Terminator without looking like an idiot, plus the TX was a great performance. It is difficult to say which was better because the scenes of action in salvation are phenomenal, but it has very big holes in the plot. In any case, these 2 movies are much better than the last 2 despite their flaws.
4:30 i liked that attention to detail, marcus knew not to pull the object out of connors body even while in rage so as not to bleed connor out.
Probably from both his criminal past and his programming.
@@C-F98 he's being sarcastic I think
But he had been pulled it out.
@hiepdang6201 He didn't. He snapped the end off
@@C-F98Yeah. This guy was a criminal, a thief and a murderer. It seems he even had some form military training but probably was discharged and instead of finding an honest living he went rogue with his brother and they certainly had some brains to pull off a number of bank heists and know how to kill people. Marcus in the end still killed his own brother though and some cops before he was arrested and trialed and placed on death row. This guy has experience. Pity he only learn to take a second shot at humanity only after his death and awakening as something else. But he still redeemed himself saving the leader of the last of humankind remnants and protector. I was really hoping if they were to continue this franchise they could explore more on Marcus and bring him back in future films alongside John connor as his right hand man. Oh well.
2:53
That badass grim reaper shot is tight.
it's the Reaperdyne Death D-800
Well terminaters are metal vessels of death.
T800 in here looks way more menacing than the Genisys version of it. Love this portrayal of T800
This is the T-rip the protoype of the T-800
@@futuregohan9662 that T-rip was a trip man, i tell ya!
This is what batman was doing between events of Dark Knight and Rises
Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol
Explains the limping
3:20 the scars on his face in Terminator 2 when we saw him at the war looking through the binoculars, there were the scars on his face from this scene where he was scraped. Gotta love the movie details.
Last Terminator movie to feature the classic endo design.
Cullys Charle I noticed that too.
Of at least a good design of it, unlike Genisys
that's why I like this movie they kept the same design.
Actually they didn't, this model of a T800 is similar to original but although it isn't the same, the original models of T1 & T2 had a smaler chest and and a bit smaller endosceleton in general, this one too wide
Внук Чужого This model is actually called the “T-RIP” which was technically just a T-800 prototype but their appearances are really similar.
Back when the Terminator was still terrifying.. :c
yes, the tx was terrifying and here the most ashy terminators like hydrobots were ruthless. In the last 2 pairsen stormtrooper from star wars, nothing intimidating.
Meanwhile the T-3000 and Rev 9 suck and seem like average Hollywood villians
The most underrated terminator movie of all time..
yup ive always liked this movie more than 3 and the other terrible sequels.
No its not
I thought all of em were good
@@Qrocket68 bless your heart child
T4
I do like that this movie explains how John got his face scars.
We didn’t deserve this terminator. We weren’t ready for it.
This t-800 is unstoppable but it's head was ripped off by marcus wright but john connor survived he had a heart transplant
Just a movie thats all
This one is ok, but worse than 1 and 2. The T800 had many chances to kill John and after final hit by giant metal thing John would momentally die.
I always like Salvation and even Terminator 3!! Those were the last good Terminator movies to me
I love this movie
T800 coming out of lava and be frozen, like the reverse of T1000 in the climax of T2.
That is why John tried that.
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this scene is out of the context because the t800 in the first movie explode with a bomb or dinamite in here scene the T800 are invencible well Good dont canon movie thanks for god
@@shadowbluezeroex i couldn't understand a single word you said...
@@shadowbluezeroex If I am not wrong, the T800 of the first movie kept going even after the dynamite and the second movie it was already heavily damaged. Here, they are fighting a freshly built version and without suitable weapons, so I'd say this scene makes sense.
It’s amazing how even though the terminator design was made in 1984 it looks modern in this film, it’s timeless!
I've always liked Salvation. It's understandable the amount of emotional investment put into the franchise, watching a Terminator movie for the first time without Arnold must have done some people's heads in. Well. Most. Only years later do they realize that it is actually a great movie.
I get pretty emotionally invested even in movies that arent that good, but Salvation made me feel nothing except HOLLOW DISAPOINTMENT.
I actually liked this film.
I liked it too...it was the biggest ALMOST out of the ones after T2 in that it was a v good concept, had the right cast amd also was set during the aftermath which we hadnt properly seen. Just always had the feeling if they got a few more things right this cpuld have been a REALLY good installment
Same
The only bad part was the ending in my opinion. That pipe trough the heart stuff was just silly. Without it would be much better...
Imagine a sequel with John and Marcus and of course plasma rifles... but now we got genisys and dark fate...
Dark fate is good go see it. Ima see it twice.
You are not alone
Awesome how he knew he was destined to get the scar and welcomed it
You wanna know how I got these scars?
@@Nicholas_Chen_
Lol
@Raider 2747 one day...he comes home crazier than usual...
@@vinniefabian6816 Mommy gets the knife to defend herself... He doesn't like that. Not. One. Bit.
Excalibur 4249 So... Me watching, he takes the knife to her... Laughing while he does it.
Termination Salvation actually made me fear the terminators. Genisis and Dark fate makes them lok like toys.
Didn't help that the SPFX are horrible too. In both movie the flesh is burned off the Terminator; here it looks so real and scary as hell, but in Genysis it's so fake looking. The Terminator looks like perfectly polished chrome which wouldn't be the case.
0:15 The same exact HUH by Kyle Reese in the first movie when he tries to beat the Terminator with a metal rod.
while this movie might not have been the best, the way they portrayed the T-800 was absolutely amazing and the use of the voice modulator to trick John into exposing his location was something that needs to be used more often
this movie is like the revenge of the sith a first people didn’t like it but with the new more terrible movies this one looks so much better (i always liked this one)
Same feelings. I'm glad to read this comment section. After a decade, this movie is getting the respect that it should have always had.
Except both films still have people that don’t like them today and aren’t great movies
WinterKaijuG14 id disagree i find this was actually a good movie
@@SaurianStudios1207 I accuse you of Treason against the galactic Senate
This movie wasn’t bad just aight but at least this scene was awesome. Rots was always a mainly good movie imo
This movie is finally getting some love after two awful reboots.
Samuel Hewson I know right out of the sequels this was the only logical route to go any logical fucking person with brain knows that from a continuity stand point but unfortunately the world has become more stupidly dumb so then 😒 Iam so glad I stuck with japan entertainment now and with there anime games and merchandise is now ghost in the shell patlaber Gundam black lagoon Star blazer gurren lagann and many other USA iam so done with ya.
Anyway 1984 to 2009 terminator RIP franchise
Amen
this new one was really good why do yall complain bout it? Cus it was an almost full woman cast? It was packed with action from the start, good story but kinda wanky at times
@@spicynoodles1260 It was another rehash of T2 with some really stupid plot elements, that's why. It's okay at best.
Just like the Star Wars Prequels we needed a bad (very very bad) new movie to finally realize that thoose are good.
I think this movie knows how to describe heartless machine more eeire than ever. The sound everytime t800 makes are just giveaways.
Ah thats how John Connor got his scars.
Ye i was wondering When I watch Genisys
He actually showed the scar on his face in terminator 2 intro.
@@Anomalous602 Yes that was they were implying in their comments, genius.
Played by Christian Bale, ironically.
"Want to know how I got these scars?
Damien Blaze actually the first one
I like this movie how it actually shows us what happened after the war and how hard it was for the resistance to take down terminators before they had plasma weapons
It's nice to see people are finally jumping on the terminator: salvation bandwagon...after ten years lol
I remember, even before entering the theater opening weekend, I already loved the vibe and story with this, especially when they added an Alice in Chains song
It's amazing how people's opinions have changed in ten years.
Dark Fate makes this look like a masterpiece(not that i think this one is bad,I would say it's ok)
It's like with the Star Wars prequels. It took some really shitty sequels in Genisys and Dark Fate to make people realize the effort put forth in Salvation was at least somewhat respectable, if incredibly flawed. Just like Disney made the SW prequels look better after the sequel trilogy completely blew as a story.
IKR?
Marcus: *Starts smacking T-RIP with a metal rod*
T-RIP: *grabs his wrist* “Imma need you to stop.”
It’s such a shame this movie didn’t get as much love as it should have. I think it will be looked back upon as one of the better sequels since T2.
- it was different from the usual travel back in time to kill someone.
- you got to see the war of the future and what a wasteland it is. You survive nuclear fire only to be faced with being shepherded to death camps & exterminated by cyborg Nazis. That’s a terrifying proposition.
- Kyle Reese as a boy with John knowing that it is his father. A father that he would fatefully send to his death or it will mean his own death if he doesn’t send him. A sequel could have established that he essentially becomes the father figure to his own son! Which would create really intriguing relationship & drama dynamics.
- the idea of a terminator with an actual human mind and heart is an interesting concept.
- the T800 is once again terrifying and near unstoppable with conventional weapons.
- John knows the certain details of the future, but he cannot understand and foresee how they fit into his present or future and neither is the future set, which makes the ‘predicted’ become unpredictable.
I really wished they had a sequel to Salvation rather than the T2 plot rehashed 3 times now - T3, Genisys & Dark Fate.
Underrated comment
Unfortunately, the fans were too dumb to appreciate the film. Instead, they spat poison and made claims to the film in varying degrees of stupidity.
I wish McG could find investors to fund the next sequel but it appears this movie lack of appreciation despite the plot was too decent.
Oui mais ce qui est surtout dommage de T4 c’est qu’il n’a pas Arnold... l’acteur du bon terminator dans le 2
I liked some of the concepts of Genesis but the execution was awful
I don't care what critics say it was a good post-apocalyptic terminator movie.
Nicoledreamcr yeah I agree , no where near as bad as many said it was .
It just wasn't typical T movie where the unstoppable bad guy is chasing the good guys for the most of the film.
@Masster Gunnz Indeed it's all relative. Now that we have tasted the later Terminator films, it does seem a lot better than it did at the time. Kinda like the Star Wars prequels and Moffat's Doctor Who.
I guessed many people didn't like film because Arnold is not in it, Christian Bale is miscast as John Connor, no liquid metal Terminator, and and no time travel plot involved.
@@nicoledreamcr4666 That what you think the Terminator franchise is about? Funny I always thought it was about John Connor becoming the leader of the Human Resistance and leading the human race to victory over skynet and the machines. That's why I think this movie is a great Terminator movie. Because it moves the story forward to next chapter. John Connor is an adult, the war between humans and skynet is full swing. I finally got to see the future war that the first two movies teased at.
I always liked the small attention to detail when the T800 briefly raises its head and scans for a weakness on Markus at 0:58, it's small but I think it's cool seeing the Terminator... Learn? It's enemy.
There's lots of tiny details. Like when Marcus hits the T800 with it uses the same sound effects from the original movie. This part were john hits it with molten metal and liquid nitrogen are also defences to T2
It's the perfect killing machine! And it looks scary! That's what you get when you reduce the CGI. The action feels more real.
Cyborg VS Robot
One of the most badass fight scenes in all of sci fi.
I don't understand why people hated this movie. They should have carried on after this movie and have us a God damn future war. But no they had to make a shity prequel
Yeah instead we got terminator dog fate
SALFATION is the best
Real Future of Skynet and Real war with the best Actore
@@windri1862 nice Bugatti Chiron pfp
Because it followed T3 that changed the whole reason of thehe movies even happening
@@Ihavethetouch I remember enjoying T3 when it came out, I watched it several times even. I was in high school, mind you.
THE CGI is just beautiful, prefer salvation over dark fate
MaximusPrime XY and that’s why it worked so well in the movie!
MaximusPrime XY still statuettes in a lot of cgi but it looks way better than dark fate
@MaximusPrime XY No, in this film they used animatronic for
T-600, T-800 was full of cgi
This win is too obvious. :)
The t800 in this looked unbelievable compared to the one in genisys. Why couldn't they used this model for the other films. The noise of the terminators too really added to the effect. This film really showed how tough the t800's really are.
People in other terminator movies “why does it only throw people around” so you see how hard the T-800 was throwing Marcus around
How the T-800 throw marcus or John should instanly kill a normal human being
Hayan M. Now that wouldn’t be any fun would it
stan broniszewski have you seen genisys?
More than that, it does more, it punches, backhands, strangles, and impales.
the T-800 pushed Marcus just one time to get a weapon. Next time it was just sheer force of it's attack, that launched Marcus.
2:09 I love how T-800 used his friend's voice to bait him.
A t-800 without flesh, speaking looks more terrifying, because we’re so used to the t-800 Arnold
Glad to see people finally realizing how good this movie actually was despite the minor flaws.
Genisys and Dark Fate made T3 and Salvation look like a masterpiece.
They did not go to the expectation with the first 2, but they have many redeemable things. Not like the last 2 that went straight to the trash.
This film got so much unnecessary hate. This film did try to be a good sequel
태선우TaeSunWoo yup 👍 a sequel/prequel that is you know because time travel
That mute kid though.
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Hi again by the way lol
it's still mostly popcorn flick compared to T1 and T2
After the first terminator this is the only movie that showed how scary T800s are and powerful
when the shots is viewed through the eyes of the T 800 you can see all those white dots scattered around the environment, those dots are the same common techniques visual effect artist use to track a 3 dimensional space in a 2 dimensional image, it makes sense for a robot needing it to have a better environmental awareness. cool detail.
Dark Fate made salvation look like a masterpiece.
And t3 too
Because it was already close to being one
@@Blitzwing989 yea it was so fucking amazing that Cameron throw Dark Fate under the bus, LMFAO
ur on the band wagon of all the people saying it was good,,,,how on earth was it good,,,it was just as dumb as genis made zero fucking sense. Look we all like girl power like everyone else but really 3 female leads in this,,,like them destroying the entire john conner story was stupid,,,they could of just added this chick and say like * you are very important role in johns life,,,with out you he won't win!! That alone would be 10x better cause then it even shows john needs help from another person who is a women which isn't a problem. But they just destroy john for the sake of * it has to be about a women this time! That aside it was just a shit fest movie.
TheeLightBearer dark fate was trash that’s why it bombed! Lmao
Terminator Salvation is the best Terminator after Terminator 2. Terminator Salvation's "universe" is the one to be explored, not this going back in time rehash stuff. Christian Bale is a fantastic John Connor. Common was good as well.
Upon rewatch, this movies actually a perfectly good Terminator film. It’s wonderfully paced, great action, the effects are killer for the time, and hold up quite well, the performances are great, especially Bale and Yelchin. I don’t think it really deserves the hate it gets
After all the crap, this was the best of the rest. after 1 and 2. If there will be a new terminator then after Salvation please
Yeah I actually did find Terminator 3 and 4 to be alright. 3 had a nice ending and 4th had a great idea
2:50... The T800 rising from the molten looks like a depiction of The Grim Reaper
True!
I enjoyed this film. I liked the change of direction and actors for this Terminator too. Its so much better that some of the others I think. Underrated film
This film deserves a lot more credit than it gets. Love seeing the post Judgement Day world and the ware against the Terminators like this. The Marcus character was fascinating as unlike any other Terminator he was a true cyborg with both biological and machine components. The T-800 basically an android or robot.
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I concur. Salvation is my favourite movie cause we get to see the actual resistance and not just Sarah and John or Kate and John being protected by Arnold from a better killing machine. That's exactly why I won't watch Dark Fate. Just the same crap from T-1 to T-3 all over again. I wish we could have seen Connor's story continue.😭😭
I love how, at the beginning, the soundtrack (Final Confrontation) sounds oddly familiar to the original Terminator movie but very orchestrail and unique in its own way. This movie deserves more love.
"Tip the cap, respect the fanbase, give back a little."
- Director of the movie, McG. 2009.
Why does the CGI in this film look better than the PS2 looking terminators in Genesis and in Dark Fate???
I mean just look how crisp it looks at 4:11 4:37 and 0:23 amazing
Less CGI, more realism. This T-800 does really look like a machine!
Animatronics and practical effects were mixed with cgi instead of pure cgi
And also it’s 2009. Idk man if you think about it almost every movie that came in 2009 had some crazy ass cgi. Just look at Avatar.
@@leonardo_alaimo not entirely true most cgi are impressive enough that it looks real.
@@alexistoxqui6984 right💯
This movie is better than dark date, and the ending where Marcus saved john’s life by giving way his life to be order to save John that scene was so sad but very impressive movie to watch
You mean fate?
It's better then Genisys too. Terminator sequels just suck man.
Marcus didn't die
@@Skips10 At the end of the movie, Marcus donates his heart to John.
@@Skips10 😂😂😂 tf
loool this whole situation is so much like Alien franchise. When Prometheus came out, everyone hated it. But after few years they made Alien: Covenant and people hated it so much that they started to appreciate Prometheus more with fresh ideas
dont get me wrong, I really liked prometheus and the ideas ridley tried to convey....but boy, some stuff was just pure idiocy (vagina snake, helmets, getting lost etc pp)
It was actually not a bad movie despite its flaws in the plot. At least they didn't turn her into charly's angels as dark fate terminator.
I’ve actually have idea what is wrong with covenant I quite liked it along with Prometheus
2:00
*Hears Kyle calling for help*
"Don't do it, John. You known that terminator is trying to trick you..."
*Does it anyway and come face-to-face with the T-RIP*
"I knew it!"
Back in the day i didn`t like the movie that much, but after Genesys and Dark Fate i am starting to appreciate it - And by the way, the CGI in Salvation is much much MUCH better than in Dark Fate.
Geez was it really THAT Bad? It looked promising.
@@julianzabala9010 I personally liked Dark Fate as in watching it in theathers. But I definitely liked Salvation and appreciated more of it's concept than the whole entire offering of Dark Fate.
The DOOM Slayer Dark fate shat on T-2 and it’s characters sucked imo, but I’m glad someone was able to enjoy it
Dark Fate had good action scenes but everything else was quite lackluster. The visuals and acting was good but everything else, especially the story/plot, falls apart when you think about it. I enjoyed what I could out of the film but it ultimately failed to really do anything special.
Yep it's animatronics, not CGI
4:39 Thor: I went for the head.
The movie wasn't perfect by any means, but this third act really shows its quality. From the moment CG Arnold shows up, you know you're in for a ride.
i liked salvation too. to bad they spoiled what marcus is in the trailers. and those whobbly hand cameras in quiet scenes botherd me a lot.
@@RevoltingRudi FYI, in the original script, John was supposed to die & his face was grafted onto Marcus' face & he would fight the war, because the Idea of John Connor was more important than him being alive.
@@Lyoko42o thats the shit scares me of salvation , i love the movie but if the original ending wasnt leaked then that shit of Jhon Connor dead would make T1 and T2 pointless and is a worst twist than Dark Fakes killing boy John Conner. jesus we dodged that bullet...
@@viralslayer8287 Oh you wanna hear the OTHER alternate ending to this?
Same as the other one, John dies but Marcus swaps faces with him. Only THIS time he suddenly turns evil for no damn reason and kills EVERYONE in the tent! Including Kate and Reese!!! And that's it
0:03, the T-800 is all cool until it then gets yeeted.
Yeet
And now in 2019 a teenage girl tackled one of these things over....
Lol.
After it was torn to shit. Why do you people ignore that the rev9 was literally missing limbs and most of it's mass, and Carl had to finish it off.
@@zillafire101 because it was cringe af! Just watch terminator 1 when it was blown to shit and you will see the difference. There was far more fear and weight behind the movie and the female character was far more believable and likeable. Not some preachy tiresome narrative of empowerment.
@@no1guinness Genisys also what all over the originals, probably even more so. And I just watched the movie. Other then one or two scenes, not really that preachy.
The t-800 endoskeleton is much heavier than the one of rev-9 but it is still ridiculous to easily tackle a terminator like that for such a short and skinny girl !!!
Remember when the T800 was lethal and unstoppable?, well those days are gone
I agree but in he genisis and dark fate the t800 was old and obsolete. Skynet was self aware that humans could re program t800 so they manufactured terminators that were in destructable to t800 and could easily defeat the t800.
Salvation > T3 > T6 > T5 :)
Love it! :)
Perfectly balanced, like all things should be.
Scuddy2.0 Scuddy2.0 that’s what he said
@Scuddy2.0 Scuddy2.0 ye
Nah i would say from T1 to Salvation they are all good after that it gets... plot twisted.
@Scuddy2.0 Scuddy2.0 let me write it out. Salvation is greater then T3 is greater then T6 is greater then T5. Of those 4 movies Slavation is the "greatest". Where did you go to school?
This was a damn fun movie. Great cgi and effects, fantastic action sequences, but most importantly: it not only fits perfectly into the canon of the series but also makes sense and has a fun premise. Something the writers for the new terminator films didn't really seem to grasp the concept of.
When it scanned the heart, it said 70bpm. WTF if i was him, my heart wouldve been at 120bpm lmao
I mean, Marcus is not fully human, so.
More like 160-180 tbf
To be fair, I don’t really think they would be afraid of the terminators after seeing and battling them after a few years. Still afraid of dying....the sight of a terminator not so much probably.
@@legitme7572 you think they wouldn't still be afraid of the latest in the line of the most effective killing machine ever made? Seems unlikely to me 😅
Also they're trying to show off that he's not quite human, but heart rate isn't just a fear response it's also necessary to supply blood flow during exercise so they've missed the mark entirely
@@legitme7572 Connor was terrified, he was just using it to fuel anger.
3:15 so that's how John got his scars , I remember seeing the adult John in the opening of T2 and seeing his scars I always wondered what happened I never realized u til now that's how he got his scars
This movie was, and is, great.
This movie at least keeps with the relentlessness of the T-800. In T1, it was still trying to finish it's assignment, even as it was being crushed by a Hydraulic Press. In T2, it was still trying to protect John, even after having an arm destroyed along with many other structural compromises, to the point where it was literally dragging itself across the ground to continue against a much stronger opponent. In T3, it continues after the T-X after being mostly destroyed. And in this one, even as it's slowly being encased in molten metal, it's trying to push through.
That relentlessness is what makes the T-800 so scary as a movie monster, but also so respectable as a Hero.
you know what sucks... it took 2 more terminator films for us to say "this was a decent film"
no your just a fucking cabbage this movie was always great its sheep like you who cant think for themselves
@@SteamedhamsEdnalovescock jezuz crist calm the fuck down ... but youre right. this movie was always great
Well salvation showed what's happening in the future other than the other movies
@@awildscotty2695 oh fuck covid-19 is a virus that works in strange ways
The cinematography in this movie has aged really well
Salvation was one of the best movie in the franchise post Terminator 2. The only thing it suffered was a clunky dual-narrative. That said, Bale and Worthington carried the movie.
Yelchin was the best Reese since Biehn imo. Was such a treat to see one of my favorite fictional characters brought back by a talented young actor.
Yelchin, Sound design and mix of practical effects and CG also had a great hand in carrying it. It's really fucking good.
At least they got that part 100% correct
That is extremely hard to destroy a T 800
T-700
I love how obvious the difference is between Marcus and the T-800. And I don’t mean superficial differences like one has skin and the other doesn’t, or physical differences like one’s a robot and the other’s a cyborg. I mean the difference in how they fight and advantages one has over the other.
Marcus is just as strong as the T-800, but the T-800 has an advantage over Marcus. The T-800 is a machine, plain and simple. It doesn’t feel pain and it doesn’t get distracted by the damage it’s taking. Marcus on the other hand is arguably still human. He feels pain, his mind gets easily distracted by said pain. The T-800 was being pounded by Marcus, but as it isn’t distracted by such things, it was able to strategize and stop Marcus from hitting it. After which Marcus suddenly got fearful and didn’t start hitting it with his other hand right away like the T-800 no doubt would have if their roles were reversed. Marcus has all the strengths of his opponent, but his weakness in this case is his human factor.
Not equal I strength t800 grabbed Marcus arm and he couldn't overpower the t800 with both arms plus it was the upgraded model which is built stronger
@@craignicholls167 more like marcus body has more weaknesses and is less durable then the T-800. There is a pressure point there and it seems like the T-800 used that to its advantage.
@@gtvn2775 get where you coming from bud but the t800 in the movie is a massive upgrade to the rest so got to be stronger really
last good Terminator after first two parts. Salvation is underrated.
Terminator 3 is also salvageable. It was the last movie where Arnold played the Terminator without looking stupid. He also connects the susesos between t-2 and t-4 and explains how he took command and meets skynet through his wife, his kate.
The T800 will always be my favourite.
4:17 i love the desperation in his voice especially considering the fact that he didn't exactly like him before