I would absolutely love to see you explode things up more, really diving into fixing the city! I could see that becoming even a longer series, 10-20 episodes of goodness to see your fixing process. And no, it's not realistic, but neither was the original city, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.
yeah I second this thought. I would love to see you bring this city (probably kicking and screaming bang up to date with all the new content and everything you have learned in the past) its always more of a challenge to "fix" something rather than just do it right the first time!! maybe make it up to the poor abused terrain and environment with a really beautiful and respectful nature preserve up on some of those precipitous mountain heights??
32:16 yes it does drive me crazy! I love seeing you sledgehammer all the ugly stuff, it is super satisfying. This series is definitely set up to be my favorite because I make a lot of these mistakes in my games and seeing how you fix them gives me some great ideas for my cities!
I visited one of my old cities last week, immediately closed that save, and started a new one. And I have to say: My new city looks and functions much better. 😃
Can definitely relate. I could never go back to an older city. Each iteration of city building gives me more knowledge for the future...and more cringe for the past.
I abandoned one of my cities because it had 5mil in the bank and 1mil in debt. Everytime I open the save it only lasts for a few minutes. My second one was just ugly. I created a new map today with lots of challenging mountain terrain and wide rivers based on my home country. I think it'll be fun being forced to be more creative with the terrain
I still love the fact that CPP hasn't spotted that, last episode, he spend a bunch of time on a cargo facility by a big industrial area... then deleted the industrial area. Now he's firing all his truck traffic from the train station and warehouses.... right through a suburban residential development. Should probably put that area back to industry and remove some of the *other* hodge-podge areas.
Everytime you said sledge hammer, I just thought of the Peter Gabriel song. Really like watching how you come back and unpick historic decisions rather than just building new all the time
Swing that hammer. A great thing about this is that I can recognize how the city got that way, as it was built small scale in segments as it expanded over the map, which is how we all do it in vanilla at first. This is helping us to visualize for the later stages better. It's actually a good feature of the game, that reminds me of Civ a bit, when you start the distances between the first cities and explore seem huge, but as you grow everything gets smaller. So easy to tip over into master planning
Absolutely love these videos. Not just this series; I find them so relaxing in general. Your videos are the perfect videos to watch as soon as I get home from work and put my feet up, or to watch while I lay in bed on the weekend. Really enjoying this series too though 🔥
This series is the first cities skylines I've watched in a long tim. I cannot stress enough the pain of seeing residential zoned directly on a 4 lane road (next to the tunnel) that will have to be crossed everytime if they want to go anywhere. Pedestrian safety nightmare.
Really like the tunnels and bringing rationality to the spaghetti. However, the issue with traffic isn't the road network, roundabouts, or timed traffic lights -- it's volume. The road traffic, especially the industrial traffic, needs to move off the roads and into the rails. This city cries out for a cargo rail hub and internal rail network.
Specially do you not have bus service, tram service, rail service, ferry service, aso. So many people's use the car. Possible do you should repairing some parts of this city first and then looks and wonder over this traffic.
Hey Phil, regarding the bad traffic in the industrial area, I think the major problem is funneling! Look at all the destinations of these little disconnected zones, they all must flow over the same roads and then back again. Roundabouts are for medium traffic max, so they just choked on you. And while the traffic lights would have worked better with dedicated turning lanes and lane connectors, they couldnt have coped with the funneling. That are needs more alternative road connections, so traffic has a chance to disperse! This series is great fun, thanks Phil!
Love this renovation build! I hope after the highways and road network is fixed you focus on the different neighborhoods and inject some character with all of the expansions and added assets. Lake Valley Forever!
I love this series! I really like that you're going through your old stuff with fresh eyes and a much better understanding of the game. And on that note, I think that whatever you feel is necessary to make the city better is worthwhile. Especially copious imminent domain.
I think it would be good to do this as 2 parts where you fix the city then beautify it. Like get it to a point where it’s growing and working correctly then go through and make more aesthetic oriented decisions afterwards
For the giant culdesac area at the trumpet interchange: you could delete the latest roundabout and build one on the trumpet interchange instead and reconnect those dead ends bumping on to it. The artery road is probably better off as a viaduct so that those 2 neighborhoods can be reconnected again. Also, the buss station I believe is better off being connected straight to the roundabout in the back.
I like this concept of review. I have a Urban Planning degree and now working at an Engineering firm and the level of revision I have to make on a daily basis really does improve design. We are currently working on a 2 level revision system before sending finished work out and I think its a good amount without over thinking things.
I laughed so much this episode, with Frank's Fish Stick Factory and the Box Factory in those spherical tanks, the hot dog truck wobbling on the road, and the last screenshot in the city tour of that parking lot 😂Love your content CPP! ❤
Honestly, as long as the city feels the same, I don’t mind how much it changes. Plus, bits like what you pointed out definitely do drive me crazy. The other bits would be zigzagging toads between two outer roads with triangular zones. But I also really enjoy the fact that you’re adding more direct roads, even if it means bulldozing, since people can get around easier than having to move on a grid all the time.
I feel like a decent way to fix the roundabout/industrial area is to create a connection on to the 6 lane bridge for the left hand side. And probably rezone a bit of the culdesack area. I normally never have a bad word for a roundabout, but I don't see it working in that space, there's just too much traffic. I'd say go back to the one roundabout and separate the junctions so theres only two connections on that primary road in and very little crossover. Alternatively you could put a roundabout at the very edge of the intersection and have three spouts coming off for each direction.
I love your work man! Your builds are a big motivator to save up for a PC; I didn’t know how good a city could look when you’re not stuck with the vanilla console version. Happy heart day brother.
Absolutely love this series! It's both fun and painful when you focus in on an area to fix...and the layout looks so, so familiar. It's learning, right? That's a good thing. 🙂
The main problem at 37:45 to me seems like it’s the original roundabout. There’s way too much traffic heading into it than it can handle, I don’t know if it’s already optimized with the lane manager tool or not. If not, I would start with that and if it is, the whole area needs to be rebuilt. I chose that time specifically because you can clearly see why the roundabout is the bottleneck: The highway exit serves: 1. The industrial district right next to it 2. The industrial districts on the second exit of the roundabout 3. The district across the river 4. The huge residential/commercial district on the first exit across the other river And the last point seems to be where a lot of people are heading to, which creates the other issues. My suggestion is thus to build a flowing interchange in place of that roundabout, which prioritizes movement to from the highway to the right into area 4. Or to build a separate highway connection serving only that area, which could connect into the two rightmost streets, by turning them into oneway streets.
For inspiration for the highway extension along the mountainside, I'd love to see something like I-70 through Glenwood Canyon with the sides of the highway stacked in places. This is also commonly seen in mountainous cities like Pittsburgh.
Phil, I LOVE this series. I hope we have several more episodes of it. Can you please use/create street and district names to enhance the sense of place
I love how you tell stories from your personal experience. It’s comforting to hear that I’m not the only person in those scenarios. Sledgehammering the walls of my home especially 😅
The issue with the roundabouts is that they're simply beyond capacity, and so was the light. I guess that's why roundabouts are considered a mid-level traffic solution, not a truly heavy traffic solution. The solution there is to identify the through traffic that isn't part of the industrial traffic and give that traffic its own completely separate path to the highway. Alas, all the crazy mountains constraining the build is why you probably didn't have that thought yourself, which is how real cities end up with problems like that which never get truly solved. It worked okay in 1868 when this was a small mining community, but now it's a metropolis and the mountains ain't movin'.
In VB, can you make all the transit in Palma Del Fuego be Trolleybuses. I think It would make sense because The island is so hilly, and the people there would probably want a quieter, greener form of transit. you should put the depot on the road that leads to the Park maintenance depot.
Hi Phil, thanks for the video! At 15mins, you point out how sloping the roads leaves buildings way up on blocks (and, sometimes, buried in pots, lol). There's a way to get them all back to road height: After sloping, use the Soften Terrain tool all the way along the road you've sloped. Then go to MoveIt and, setting it to buildings only, select all the buildings along the sloped road. Then click the ellipsis button in MoveIt, and one of its options is "Set to terrain height." Et voilà, all the buildings are now back at road height.
In the industrial area with the two roundabouts, I would go back to the previous intersection, get dedicated lanes going and than make a bridge beetween the two halfs of the area to provide local connectivity that works independant of the arterial. And maybe have a look if all the appropriate settings for the roundabout are used, like entering a blocked junction being enabled on the roundabout and not when entering (although it is your build Biffafy it just a smidge). And also maybe add a second small connection to the highway multiple small junctions are better than one big junction where you just funnel all traffic (Lee Hawkins said that in one of his videos). I love your builds and have been watching since week two of Bluffside Crossing. Thank you for the time you put in to all of them, you are amazeing. And for Valentine’s day emoji 😈
I find it really satisfying seeing you demolished old areas that don't make sense and fixing them. I vote for you to fix anything and everything you want in the city.
This has been all so interesting so far!! I wish I kept my old saves to do the same here. Would be pretty interesting checking out my first city. I dont even remember how it looked.
Ehi CCP, I don't know if this message will ever be read. One thing that I noticed when enlarging nodes (like you did in the last roundabout) is that at a certain point you have the opposite result getting more vehicles stopping instead of continuously flowing out. You can notice this at 38:15 the traffic coming from the right into the roundabout that flows and after enlarging the node they all start stopping
Loving this new concept. Love to see how much better you can do things with all the new mods and with more knowledge over time. I don't care much about the sledghammering, I just really want to see how that city would look and function had you built it today.
Good progress. Sledge hammer it all. Still need to sort out having your traffic from the rail cargo areas take the long way round to eithier the warehouses and freeways. Need a flyover or under that large roundabout next to the new one you built in the industrial district.
Sir? I think, as long as you retain the bones of the build, the structure of it? You really ought to take a sledgehammer to whatever is keeping the city from truly thriving. This is probably my favourite of your series, because it shows how things can go wrong without proper planning or knowledge, but even so! ...it can be fixed. Please keep doing these restorations ✌🏼♥️
The added roundabout near the highway exit, the one you upgraded to 4 lane, YUMBL has a TM:PE "fix" where the two right lanes exit, and then at each junction lane 3 moves to lane 2 and lane 4 moves to lane 3, the result being that vehicles will not endlessly circle because they will be forced to exit at some point
Learned a lot in this video how to fix my current city. Too much traffic, no matter how much improvement is made, traffic always builds up. So I feel your pain fixing this old build. That analyses tool for traffic helped a bunch.
38:10 should've put the second round-a-bout at the highway (creating a dog bone) and either backed those cul-de-sacs off some more or connected them. Then you could reconnect all 5 roads back in if you wish between the two round-a-bouts. After you have all of your connections, use TM:PE to ban any traffic from making any kind of crossing movement at every intersection. if anyone wants to go from one side to the other, they can right turn onto the main road, use the round-a-bout to go back the other way and then right turn again into the area they were headed to. If they're coming from the highway and wanting to go left, they can go to the second round-a-bout, use that to turn around and make a right turn into the area. Lastly you could use intersection marking tool to add median's back in the intersections on the main road since no one will be crossing over. You also will not need any traffic lights since there are no movement conflicts so extra benefit there, and with 5 connecting roads if you reconnect all of them, you're not cul-de-sac'd anymore.
i love when you do the road stuff with fill cause i pre see what you're gonna do and while you're doing it I imagine my self doing it in real life lol, love the content
It could be cool to add a trailhead or natural area park where that old industrial culdesac was! Use the old road and downgrade it to a gravel pedestrian path 😁
In the UK you can see where roads have been upgraded to collectors. They don’t bulldoze the side streets, instead they block them off with concrete bollards. An alternative is to make them one way so you only have half as many entries and exits. 16:49 I have recreated this by bulldozing the connections and drawing them back but not quite connecting them. If you get them close enough the footpaths connect but not the roads.
I'd say that the point is to fix and renovate. Hard to do that without destroying stuff. I think coming to it after all these years is enough of an excuse to do what you want with it. Better than deleting the city and moving on.
I gotta say I’m stoked I found this channel. The music selection for background mood setting and in general the consistency of how your videos flow and progress. There are some bits where you cut out but that could just be a microphone issue or not adding enough delay. I’ve had that issue and it is annoying. But if that’s the only thing I can think of that could potentially be an issue you should be growing a lot more soon. Can’t wait to watch more this gets me through he work day with how long they are.
I doubt you'll ever see this, considering this is an old video, but thank you for being a positive role model for me. Even if you are just playing a city building game on the internet, it still means the world.
35:30 I think the timed traffic light would have worked better if the vehicles from the right side weren’t all being forced through the roundabout. Both lanes have right turn only. Also. Love the sledgehammer. Really enjoying these videos!! My dad builds cities like this and then asks me to fix them, you’re giving me some great ideas!
Keep the sledge hammer out. The changes you’re making are making this city so much better. I’d highly recommend watching YUMBL’s videos on timed traffic lights and roundabouts. I think there’s some room to relieve congestion in the interchanges.
This episode has me wondering if your last name is "Haussmann", though I sincerely thank you for putting Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" in my head for the rest of the day! I'll be looping that jam for a while. Loving the revisit of abandoned cities - all of my old cities have long been deleted for disk space, always nice to see some of your past work! And as a general rule of thumb, if something like a wonky road drives you crazy, it'll be driving me absolutely bananas.
Hey there, console player here and enjoy watching your insight to city builds. Im so excited for the “remaster” coming tomorrow 🎉 we finally get access to 25 tile builds! No more gimped 9 tile builds
The large collector going to downtown needs to be treated as an arterial, since there is no highway going there. Less intersections, local bridges or tunnels, maybe a couplet to avoid lane crossing. Right what is essentially functioning as an inner city highway stops at every local intersection. I dont think you need to bring a highway downtown. That would only ruin the cityscape and make it inaccessible to pedestrians. You just need proper roadway hierarchy.
Understanding its just a game, Railroad grades shouldn't exceed 0.5% IRL because of the fact that they are metal on metal. Keep that in mind in the future because for realism, you have to bend the topography to your will and make IT respect YOU. Cheers and I love the videos
I would much rather watch your videos as YOU see things rather than doing what your viewers want or think you need or should do. It's your city and it's far more interesting to discover YOUR perspective and vision as that is why I'm here! :D
I think when utilizing timed traffic lights it's also important to utilize lane assignments and turning signals. In not sure that ultimately would have fixed your industrial zone but the results I believe would have been more favorable.
I’m loving this series as my cities always start messing up sooner or later. So seeing you do the same and fixing some of your old problems give mine hope lol
For 39:15 you need a normal junction with traffic lights. The industrial zones need 4 lane asymetrical road with 3 lanes towards the junction. For the turning lanes: two lefts and one right should be enough. If more traffic goes in the other direction, switch the middle one. For the phase, 3 should be enough. One phase for straight and right on the main road, 1one phase for the lefts on the main road and one phase for the side streets.
Sledge hammer.... oh god that was a good feeling. I'm remodeling my mom's house, and although it wasn't a full "remodel", there were things that had to come out to make room for the new stuff. Smashing it down was gratifying. If any of you don't know, go to your local hardware store, buy what you need to make a small closet/shed, then smash it, seriously... or just go to a smash room, lol. At 24:33 I feel it would look nice if less streets and have them terraced, on the hillside up from the hwy. Make it like a high income spot, high density. And now (at the end) is perfect time for public transport.
Hey CPP, I noticed that you're "elimination" of the highway double-back issue (8:30) would be removed after you added that new intersection (around 22:00) - they could do the 180 there! Keep up the great content!
Absolutely loving this series so far. One request, I feel like the spaghetti interchange should be kept. I live pretty close to Birmingham in the UK and it has a famous (some would argue infamous) spaghetti junction from the 60s (I think). It is both beloved and bemoaned in the same breath, and it had its 50th anniversary celebrated by Heinz. Bracket it in amongst all the other bits that make the soul of the city.
Playing city builders for so long, the best thing I've learned is that the demolishing tool is the best you have in your toolbelt. Sometimes you really try to put a square peg in a circular hole and you just need a sledgehammer to fix the whole situation.
This a great series! We’re with you in the headaches and trying to figure out what on earth you did! But then we’re here to feel the great feeling of seeing it fixed!
I really want to know what he thinks about the slopes from Seattle to Tacoma 😂 Some of them you are just 📈📉 my backyard is a hill too so whoever built Washington did not respect the topography
The cliffs in this city are crazy - you can’t convince me that it’s safe for all those houses and industry to be based right next to a murderous cliff. I think a lot of the landscaping needs fixing. The water levels seem off too - such huge drops and cliffs that make the water levels seem too low. I love seeing drastic demolitions so please keep using the bulldozer 🤣🛠️
For the cul-de-sac'd industrial area towards the end caused by the double roundabouts: consider adding right-in/right-out intersections rather than truncating all access. It'll help relieve traffic pressure on the roundabouts, fix the cul-de-sac issue, and should minimally conflict with existing traffic since there would be no throughs or lefts. Just make sure they're stop or give way and not signalized. Also consider add/drop lanes to give turning drivers someplace to turn onto or from.
Would it be a good idea, there where you now have two round-abouts, to basically make one big oval-about stretching from the highway offramps to the bigger round-about?
I feel like the high rise downtown is in the wrong location. It would feel way better near the river. And you could get some nice beachfront properties that require less circulation near the water. Or parks, parks would be cool
38:41 this is a classic mistake I always make when I futz with problem spots too long, breaking connectivity to eliminate a high traffic intersection and then in turn that lack of connectivity makes it worse for the next intersection over. It looks like the main problem here is that the arterial road serving the industrial area is also the main way to get to the residential/commercial area on the other side of the bridge. If there was an arterial bypassing that industrial area going directly from the freeway to the neighborhood on the other side of the river, that first arterial wouldn't be so jammed up.
I’m late as always but I love that you’re redoing/fixing your old cities, such a great idea! 😊 But sometimes I question some of your decisions, it’s like you’re just staring too much at the problem that you don’t see the solution.. 😅 For instance all last episode of this series I was like “turn the cargo station around, just turn it around.!!” 😂🥴 Same in this episode when you created a viaduct to stop the despawning of cargo vehicles 😂😂😂😅 Just turn it around Phil, please! You’re driving me insane over here 😮💨 (I know it’s been eight months since you uploaded this & I’ll probably continue being bothered by it) 😂
32:36 you would HATE the street I grew up on - I’m not sure how they do it out west, but I grew up on a half mile long dead end in New England - that has 3 major hills! It ends in a very very steep hill and a little turn around - always a fun time for the school bus driver, I’m sure. You should look at some NE cities! I love the way that they’re formed around the landscape and traditional routes, with very little planning for the future. Everything is odd and fun and there’s always a stone wall in the way.
Where you tried the signal and then a roundabout, a second freeway interchange with a parallel route would help (beside the neighborhood, across the river, and to the mountains). Alternatives let traffic spread out instead instead of concentrate. I also had problems with traffic leaving the freeway, going through town, and back onto the freeway instead of staying on the freeway through the trumpet interchange. I guess the AI thought routing on local roads was a short cut. I had to make a disconnect, to keep through traffic on the freeway. Fun series! Thank you!
The height of realism, this city was about to collapse and on the brink of destruction anyway. Drastic measures had to be taken to get it to survive and thrive. Bring that hammer in. Love the videos. Put that firestation somewhere useful as usually you don't have enough, there must be another zone in the city where it is needed as fires seem to follow you, Phil.
I would absolutely love to see you explode things up more, really diving into fixing the city! I could see that becoming even a longer series, 10-20 episodes of goodness to see your fixing process. And no, it's not realistic, but neither was the original city, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.
yeah I second this thought. I would love to see you bring this city (probably kicking and screaming bang up to date with all the new content and everything you have learned in the past) its always more of a challenge to "fix" something rather than just do it right the first time!! maybe make it up to the poor abused terrain and environment with a really beautiful and respectful nature preserve up on some of those precipitous mountain heights??
Sometimes you just need to destroy everything for the best, and considering state of this city, you need a whole demolition crew here.
I agree
Nah, you need an entire demolition company.
@GearWar Demolitia?
Sledgehammer stonks taking off
Honestly! Who is mad about the destruction?! Hes taking this build from a 1/10 to something much better just by reimagining areas...
32:16 yes it does drive me crazy! I love seeing you sledgehammer all the ugly stuff, it is super satisfying. This series is definitely set up to be my favorite because I make a lot of these mistakes in my games and seeing how you fix them gives me some great ideas for my cities!
I visited one of my old cities last week, immediately closed that save, and started a new one. And I have to say: My new city looks and functions much better. 😃
Can definitely relate. I could never go back to an older city. Each iteration of city building gives me more knowledge for the future...and more cringe for the past.
Exactly!!
I abandoned one of my cities because it had 5mil in the bank and 1mil in debt. Everytime I open the save it only lasts for a few minutes.
My second one was just ugly.
I created a new map today with lots of challenging mountain terrain and wide rivers based on my home country. I think it'll be fun being forced to be more creative with the terrain
I’m fixing one of my older cities rn, so this series came at just the right time
Same lol
I still love the fact that CPP hasn't spotted that, last episode, he spend a bunch of time on a cargo facility by a big industrial area... then deleted the industrial area. Now he's firing all his truck traffic from the train station and warehouses.... right through a suburban residential development. Should probably put that area back to industry and remove some of the *other* hodge-podge areas.
Everytime you said sledge hammer, I just thought of the Peter Gabriel song. Really like watching how you come back and unpick historic decisions rather than just building new all the time
I was waiting for this upload! The concept for this series is just too good, can't wait to see you fix your own city.
Swing that hammer. A great thing about this is that I can recognize how the city got that way, as it was built small scale in segments as it expanded over the map, which is how we all do it in vanilla at first. This is helping us to visualize for the later stages better. It's actually a good feature of the game, that reminds me of Civ a bit, when you start the distances between the first cities and explore seem huge, but as you grow everything gets smaller. So easy to tip over into master planning
I would love to see ab episode where you analyse and improve the public transport within the city
What public transport? He deleted all of the buses in the first episode.
@@elijaha773 Needs a new metro system then :D
Absolutely love these videos. Not just this series; I find them so relaxing in general. Your videos are the perfect videos to watch as soon as I get home from work and put my feet up, or to watch while I lay in bed on the weekend. Really enjoying this series too though 🔥
The carpark in the flythrough at the end almost made me spit out my coffee. Loving this series so much!
This series is the first cities skylines I've watched in a long tim. I cannot stress enough the pain of seeing residential zoned directly on a 4 lane road (next to the tunnel) that will have to be crossed everytime if they want to go anywhere. Pedestrian safety nightmare.
This series has inspired me to return to one of my old cities. Thanks, CPP!
Really like the tunnels and bringing rationality to the spaghetti.
However, the issue with traffic isn't the road network, roundabouts, or timed traffic lights -- it's volume. The road traffic, especially the industrial traffic, needs to move off the roads and into the rails.
This city cries out for a cargo rail hub and internal rail network.
Plus a metro network
Specially do you not have bus service, tram service, rail service, ferry service, aso. So many people's use the car. Possible do you should repairing some parts of this city first and then looks and wonder over this traffic.
Hey Phil, regarding the bad traffic in the industrial area, I think the major problem is funneling! Look at all the destinations of these little disconnected zones, they all must flow over the same roads and then back again.
Roundabouts are for medium traffic max, so they just choked on you. And while the traffic lights would have worked better with dedicated turning lanes and lane connectors, they couldnt have coped with the funneling.
That are needs more alternative road connections, so traffic has a chance to disperse!
This series is great fun, thanks Phil!
Love this renovation build! I hope after the highways and road network is fixed you focus on the different neighborhoods and inject some character with all of the expansions and added assets. Lake Valley Forever!
I love this series! I really like that you're going through your old stuff with fresh eyes and a much better understanding of the game. And on that note, I think that whatever you feel is necessary to make the city better is worthwhile. Especially copious imminent domain.
I think it would be good to do this as 2 parts where you fix the city then beautify it. Like get it to a point where it’s growing and working correctly then go through and make more aesthetic oriented decisions afterwards
For the giant culdesac area at the trumpet interchange: you could delete the latest roundabout and build one on the trumpet interchange instead and reconnect those dead ends bumping on to it. The artery road is probably better off as a viaduct so that those 2 neighborhoods can be reconnected again. Also, the buss station I believe is better off being connected straight to the roundabout in the back.
I like this concept of review. I have a Urban Planning degree and now working at an Engineering firm and the level of revision I have to make on a daily basis really does improve design. We are currently working on a 2 level revision system before sending finished work out and I think its a good amount without over thinking things.
I never know where is a good point to begin with your series, so this new one makes me so happy that I can actually be caught up
I laughed so much this episode, with Frank's Fish Stick Factory and the Box Factory in those spherical tanks, the hot dog truck wobbling on the road, and the last screenshot in the city tour of that parking lot 😂Love your content CPP! ❤
Honestly, as long as the city feels the same, I don’t mind how much it changes. Plus, bits like what you pointed out definitely do drive me crazy. The other bits would be zigzagging toads between two outer roads with triangular zones. But I also really enjoy the fact that you’re adding more direct roads, even if it means bulldozing, since people can get around easier than having to move on a grid all the time.
I feel like a decent way to fix the roundabout/industrial area is to create a connection on to the 6 lane bridge for the left hand side. And probably rezone a bit of the culdesack area. I normally never have a bad word for a roundabout, but I don't see it working in that space, there's just too much traffic. I'd say go back to the one roundabout and separate the junctions so theres only two connections on that primary road in and very little crossover. Alternatively you could put a roundabout at the very edge of the intersection and have three spouts coming off for each direction.
I love your work man! Your builds are a big motivator to save up for a PC; I didn’t know how good a city could look when you’re not stuck with the vanilla console version. Happy heart day brother.
LOVE these ghost town videos! Keep them coming!
Absolutely love this series! It's both fun and painful when you focus in on an area to fix...and the layout looks so, so familiar. It's learning, right? That's a good thing. 🙂
The main problem at 37:45 to me seems like it’s the original roundabout. There’s way too much traffic heading into it than it can handle, I don’t know if it’s already optimized with the lane manager tool or not. If not, I would start with that and if it is, the whole area needs to be rebuilt. I chose that time specifically because you can clearly see why the roundabout is the bottleneck: The highway exit serves:
1. The industrial district right next to it
2. The industrial districts on the second exit of the roundabout
3. The district across the river
4. The huge residential/commercial district on the first exit across the other river
And the last point seems to be where a lot of people are heading to, which creates the other issues. My suggestion is thus to build a flowing interchange in place of that roundabout, which prioritizes movement to from the highway to the right into area 4. Or to build a separate highway connection serving only that area, which could connect into the two rightmost streets, by turning them into oneway streets.
For inspiration for the highway extension along the mountainside, I'd love to see something like I-70 through Glenwood Canyon with the sides of the highway stacked in places. This is also commonly seen in mountainous cities like Pittsburgh.
such a beautiful drive through as well. I went cross country recently and that was my favorite segment.
Phil, I LOVE this series. I hope we have several more episodes of it. Can you please use/create street and district names to enhance the sense of place
At 18:44 I noticed the tunnel road was called Birdsong Street. Since it's going underground, Canary Drive could be a pretty fitting name
I love how you tell stories from your personal experience. It’s comforting to hear that I’m not the only person in those scenarios. Sledgehammering the walls of my home especially 😅
I would absolutely LOVE to see a build on a snow map!!!
I super like this series, fixing a old town seeing all the improvement you can make. Super satisfying, Love it!
The issue with the roundabouts is that they're simply beyond capacity, and so was the light. I guess that's why roundabouts are considered a mid-level traffic solution, not a truly heavy traffic solution. The solution there is to identify the through traffic that isn't part of the industrial traffic and give that traffic its own completely separate path to the highway. Alas, all the crazy mountains constraining the build is why you probably didn't have that thought yourself, which is how real cities end up with problems like that which never get truly solved. It worked okay in 1868 when this was a small mining community, but now it's a metropolis and the mountains ain't movin'.
In VB, can you make all the transit in Palma Del Fuego be Trolleybuses. I think It would make sense because The island is so hilly, and the people there would probably want a quieter, greener form of transit. you should put the depot on the road that leads to the Park maintenance depot.
It's always lovely to fix older cities like this.
Loving the series. That yellow hot dog truck hitting two wheels is hilarious. Those hot dogs WILL be there on time. 😀
Honestly, I really like when you take out the sledgehammer.
Sure is nice seeing a pro fix one traffic problem and mess up another, showing it isn’t just a noob only problem. 😂
Hi Phil, thanks for the video!
At 15mins, you point out how sloping the roads leaves buildings way up on blocks (and, sometimes, buried in pots, lol). There's a way to get them all back to road height:
After sloping, use the Soften Terrain tool all the way along the road you've sloped. Then go to MoveIt and, setting it to buildings only, select all the buildings along the sloped road. Then click the ellipsis button in MoveIt, and one of its options is "Set to terrain height." Et voilà, all the buildings are now back at road height.
Just finished the first video, then lo and behold, a new episode. Wonderful timing! Cannot wait to see what you get done with this one.
In the industrial area with the two roundabouts, I would go back to the previous intersection, get dedicated lanes going and than make a bridge beetween the two halfs of the area to provide local connectivity that works independant of the arterial. And maybe have a look if all the appropriate settings for the roundabout are used, like entering a blocked junction being enabled on the roundabout and not when entering (although it is your build Biffafy it just a smidge). And also maybe add a second small connection to the highway multiple small junctions are better than one big junction where you just funnel all traffic (Lee Hawkins said that in one of his videos).
I love your builds and have been watching since week two of Bluffside Crossing. Thank you for the time you put in to all of them, you are amazeing.
And for Valentine’s day emoji 😈
I find it really satisfying seeing you demolished old areas that don't make sense and fixing them. I vote for you to fix anything and everything you want in the city.
This has been all so interesting so far!! I wish I kept my old saves to do the same here. Would be pretty interesting checking out my first city. I dont even remember how it looked.
Ehi CCP, I don't know if this message will ever be read. One thing that I noticed when enlarging nodes (like you did in the last roundabout) is that at a certain point you have the opposite result getting more vehicles stopping instead of continuously flowing out. You can notice this at 38:15 the traffic coming from the right into the roundabout that flows and after enlarging the node they all start stopping
I'll take a look. Thanks for the timestamp!
Loving this new concept. Love to see how much better you can do things with all the new mods and with more knowledge over time. I don't care much about the sledghammering, I just really want to see how that city would look and function had you built it today.
Good progress. Sledge hammer it all.
Still need to sort out having your traffic from the rail cargo areas take the long way round to eithier the warehouses and freeways. Need a flyover or under that large roundabout next to the new one you built in the industrial district.
I'm really enjoying this series! Thank you for all the time you spend on these!😊
I love the sledgehammering! So much satisfaction watching you erase the mistakes of the past and work your magic!
This is really cool and different! Going back and reworking an older build! Also shows you've come a long way from when you first started!
It would be cool if the tunnel had an underground mall or something, rather than just a mile of tunneled sidewalk.
Sir? I think, as long as you retain the bones of the build, the structure of it? You really ought to take a sledgehammer to whatever is keeping the city from truly thriving. This is probably my favourite of your series, because it shows how things can go wrong without proper planning or knowledge, but even so! ...it can be fixed. Please keep doing these restorations ✌🏼♥️
The added roundabout near the highway exit, the one you upgraded to 4 lane, YUMBL has a TM:PE "fix" where the two right lanes exit, and then at each junction lane 3 moves to lane 2 and lane 4 moves to lane 3, the result being that vehicles will not endlessly circle because they will be forced to exit at some point
Learned a lot in this video how to fix my current city. Too much traffic, no matter how much improvement is made, traffic always builds up. So I feel your pain fixing this old build. That analyses tool for traffic helped a bunch.
38:10 should've put the second round-a-bout at the highway (creating a dog bone) and either backed those cul-de-sacs off some more or connected them. Then you could reconnect all 5 roads back in if you wish between the two round-a-bouts. After you have all of your connections, use TM:PE to ban any traffic from making any kind of crossing movement at every intersection. if anyone wants to go from one side to the other, they can right turn onto the main road, use the round-a-bout to go back the other way and then right turn again into the area they were headed to. If they're coming from the highway and wanting to go left, they can go to the second round-a-bout, use that to turn around and make a right turn into the area. Lastly you could use intersection marking tool to add median's back in the intersections on the main road since no one will be crossing over. You also will not need any traffic lights since there are no movement conflicts so extra benefit there, and with 5 connecting roads if you reconnect all of them, you're not cul-de-sac'd anymore.
This series is so good! Please, keep updating! Congratulations
i love when you do the road stuff with fill cause i pre see what you're gonna do and while you're doing it I imagine my self doing it in real life lol, love the content
It could be cool to add a trailhead or natural area park where that old industrial culdesac was! Use the old road and downgrade it to a gravel pedestrian path 😁
In the UK you can see where roads have been upgraded to collectors. They don’t bulldoze the side streets, instead they block them off with concrete bollards. An alternative is to make them one way so you only have half as many entries and exits. 16:49 I have recreated this by bulldozing the connections and drawing them back but not quite connecting them. If you get them close enough the footpaths connect but not the roads.
I'd say that the point is to fix and renovate. Hard to do that without destroying stuff. I think coming to it after all these years is enough of an excuse to do what you want with it. Better than deleting the city and moving on.
This might be my favorite series. Every time you zoom in, there's something new to make me laugh 😆
Same!!!
I gotta say I’m stoked I found this channel. The music selection for background mood setting and in general the consistency of how your videos flow and progress. There are some bits where you cut out but that could just be a microphone issue or not adding enough delay. I’ve had that issue and it is annoying. But if that’s the only thing I can think of that could potentially be an issue you should be growing a lot more soon. Can’t wait to watch more this gets me through he work day with how long they are.
I doubt you'll ever see this, considering this is an old video, but thank you for being a positive role model for me. Even if you are just playing a city building game on the internet, it still means the world.
35:30 I think the timed traffic light would have worked better if the vehicles from the right side weren’t all being forced through the roundabout. Both lanes have right turn only.
Also. Love the sledgehammer. Really enjoying these videos!! My dad builds cities like this and then asks me to fix them, you’re giving me some great ideas!
This might be my new favourite series honestly
Keep the sledge hammer out. The changes you’re making are making this city so much better. I’d highly recommend watching YUMBL’s videos on timed traffic lights and roundabouts. I think there’s some room to relieve congestion in the interchanges.
This episode has me wondering if your last name is "Haussmann", though I sincerely thank you for putting Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" in my head for the rest of the day! I'll be looping that jam for a while. Loving the revisit of abandoned cities - all of my old cities have long been deleted for disk space, always nice to see some of your past work! And as a general rule of thumb, if something like a wonky road drives you crazy, it'll be driving me absolutely bananas.
Hey there, console player here and enjoy watching your insight to city builds. Im so excited for the “remaster” coming tomorrow 🎉 we finally get access to 25 tile builds! No more gimped 9 tile builds
The large collector going to downtown needs to be treated as an arterial, since there is no highway going there. Less intersections, local bridges or tunnels, maybe a couplet to avoid lane crossing. Right what is essentially functioning as an inner city highway stops at every local intersection.
I dont think you need to bring a highway downtown. That would only ruin the cityscape and make it inaccessible to pedestrians. You just need proper roadway hierarchy.
Understanding its just a game, Railroad grades shouldn't exceed 0.5% IRL because of the fact that they are metal on metal. Keep that in mind in the future because for realism, you have to bend the topography to your will and make IT respect YOU. Cheers and I love the videos
I would much rather watch your videos as YOU see things rather than doing what your viewers want or think you need or should do. It's your city and it's far more interesting to discover YOUR perspective and vision as that is why I'm here! :D
I think when utilizing timed traffic lights it's also important to utilize lane assignments and turning signals. In not sure that ultimately would have fixed your industrial zone but the results I believe would have been more favorable.
I haven’t played since Christmas and this series has got me playing again. Thanks for the inspiration.
YES! Take a sledgehammer to that industrial zone, get some nice clean roads in there!
I’m loving this series as my cities always start messing up sooner or later. So seeing you do the same and fixing some of your old problems give mine hope lol
For 39:15 you need a normal junction with traffic lights. The industrial zones need 4 lane asymetrical road with 3 lanes towards the junction. For the turning lanes: two lefts and one right should be enough. If more traffic goes in the other direction, switch the middle one. For the phase, 3 should be enough. One phase for straight and right on the main road, 1one phase for the lefts on the main road and one phase for the side streets.
This series is refreshing for your to channel. I was feeling burnt out from your other series, this series is interesting and different. ❤
Sledge hammer.... oh god that was a good feeling. I'm remodeling my mom's house, and although it wasn't a full "remodel", there were things that had to come out to make room for the new stuff. Smashing it down was gratifying. If any of you don't know, go to your local hardware store, buy what you need to make a small closet/shed, then smash it, seriously... or just go to a smash room, lol.
At 24:33 I feel it would look nice if less streets and have them terraced, on the hillside up from the hwy. Make it like a high income spot, high density.
And now (at the end) is perfect time for public transport.
Hey CPP, I noticed that you're "elimination" of the highway double-back issue (8:30) would be removed after you added that new intersection (around 22:00) - they could do the 180 there! Keep up the great content!
Absolutely loving this series so far. One request, I feel like the spaghetti interchange should be kept. I live pretty close to Birmingham in the UK and it has a famous (some would argue infamous) spaghetti junction from the 60s (I think). It is both beloved and bemoaned in the same breath, and it had its 50th anniversary celebrated by Heinz. Bracket it in amongst all the other bits that make the soul of the city.
Playing city builders for so long, the best thing I've learned is that the demolishing tool is the best you have in your toolbelt. Sometimes you really try to put a square peg in a circular hole and you just need a sledgehammer to fix the whole situation.
This a great series! We’re with you in the headaches and trying to figure out what on earth you did! But then we’re here to feel the great feeling of seeing it fixed!
I really want to know what he thinks about the slopes from Seattle to Tacoma 😂
Some of them you are just 📈📉 my backyard is a hill too so whoever built Washington did not respect the topography
The cliffs in this city are crazy - you can’t convince me that it’s safe for all those houses and industry to be based right next to a murderous cliff. I think a lot of the landscaping needs fixing. The water levels seem off too - such huge drops and cliffs that make the water levels seem too low.
I love seeing drastic demolitions so please keep using the bulldozer 🤣🛠️
For the cul-de-sac'd industrial area towards the end caused by the double roundabouts: consider adding right-in/right-out intersections rather than truncating all access. It'll help relieve traffic pressure on the roundabouts, fix the cul-de-sac issue, and should minimally conflict with existing traffic since there would be no throughs or lefts. Just make sure they're stop or give way and not signalized. Also consider add/drop lanes to give turning drivers someplace to turn onto or from.
THE CITY NEEDS A PURGE
this is my new favorite series on the channel
This is so fun to watch! Thanks, Phil! 😊
Would it be a good idea, there where you now have two round-abouts, to basically make one big oval-about stretching from the highway offramps to the bigger round-about?
I agree, turning those two round a bouts into one may help
I feel like the high rise downtown is in the wrong location. It would feel way better near the river. And you could get some nice beachfront properties that require less circulation near the water. Or parks, parks would be cool
38:41 this is a classic mistake I always make when I futz with problem spots too long, breaking connectivity to eliminate a high traffic intersection and then in turn that lack of connectivity makes it worse for the next intersection over.
It looks like the main problem here is that the arterial road serving the industrial area is also the main way to get to the residential/commercial area on the other side of the bridge. If there was an arterial bypassing that industrial area going directly from the freeway to the neighborhood on the other side of the river, that first arterial wouldn't be so jammed up.
Man, this series is exciting! Can't wait for episode #3!
I’m late as always but I love that you’re redoing/fixing your old cities, such a great idea! 😊
But sometimes I question some of your decisions, it’s like you’re just staring too much at the problem that you don’t see the solution.. 😅
For instance all last episode of this series I was like “turn the cargo station around, just turn it around.!!” 😂🥴
Same in this episode when you created a viaduct to stop the despawning of cargo vehicles 😂😂😂😅
Just turn it around Phil, please! You’re driving me insane over here 😮💨
(I know it’s been eight months since you uploaded this & I’ll probably continue being bothered by it) 😂
It's your city and your audience, I'm sure we're all happy to watch you fix whatever you feel needs fixing.
32:36 you would HATE the street I grew up on - I’m not sure how they do it out west, but I grew up on a half mile long dead end in New England - that has 3 major hills! It ends in a very very steep hill and a little turn around - always a fun time for the school bus driver, I’m sure.
You should look at some NE cities! I love the way that they’re formed around the landscape and traditional routes, with very little planning for the future. Everything is odd and fun and there’s always a stone wall in the way.
Where you tried the signal and then a roundabout, a second freeway interchange with a parallel route would help (beside the neighborhood, across the river, and to the mountains). Alternatives let traffic spread out instead instead of concentrate. I also had problems with traffic leaving the freeway, going through town, and back onto the freeway instead of staying on the freeway through the trumpet interchange. I guess the AI thought routing on local roads was a short cut. I had to make a disconnect, to keep through traffic on the freeway. Fun series! Thank you!
The height of realism, this city was about to collapse and on the brink of destruction anyway. Drastic measures had to be taken to get it to survive and thrive. Bring that hammer in. Love the videos. Put that firestation somewhere useful as usually you don't have enough, there must be another zone in the city where it is needed as fires seem to follow you, Phil.
I am not even playing this game, but it is a lot of fun to watch you making this city better!