I have a Navy Good Conduct Medal to a man who served on Inflexible throughout most of WW1 including the Falklands and Jutland, it was modestly priced because he served on Inflexible rather than Invincible but I value it just as highly.
You did it again! That picture of Indomitable going up during the battle of Jutland is an incredible shot! It’s so rare to see a picture of a detonation of a ship during this time, but that makes them all the more impactful as momentos of war. I didn’t realize there was a third detonation of a Royal Navy warship at Jutland apart from Indefatigable and Queen Mary. I’m curious if she has the same mortality rate as the two former casualties (someone help me out with that info) Thank you again for another awesome video about a ship that I didn’t know much about prior! Can’t wait for what’s next!
yes indeed! the sight of her tripod mast and a couple of well placed salvoes was enough to discourage Von Spee from the Falklands. And an ominous sign of his doom
@@BjarneLinetsky Actually, Canopus had pole masts. It was the tripods on the battlecruisers that convinced von Spee that he was in trouble. Mind you, the 12" ranging shots by Canopus from inside Port Stanley probably put the wind up him as well.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 One of those shots skipped on the water and bits hit one of the German cruisers superstructure. This was only Canopus' second salvo. It convinced von Spee to reverse course. Canopus was actually ground deliberately on a mudbank with her hull heeled over to give her guns extra range. The trick worked.
I always wonder why the german 21 cm did so much poorer at Falklands than at Coronel. The side armor of HMS Good Hope and Invincible was equal in thickness yet the former blew up while the latter shrugged off all hits. What changed? Greater Range?
Range and fire control, the battlecruisers main battery was able to devastate the German cruisers before they could get into effective range for the 21cms.
I always found it strange that the Admiralty initially thought it would be a good idea to send HMS Queen Elizabeth to Gallipoli but to send a lightly armored battlecruiser in HMS Inflexible, well that is just folly.
Why? I suspect you are looking at this with hindsight. Inflexible was on station already and QE was used so she could complete working up and get some gunnery practice. At least Inflexible survived her mine explosion, unlike Bouvet. You don't not send warships on campaigns in case they are damaged or lost. You send what you have and are able to.
@@ShizukuSeiji Of course you're right in assuming that I'm looking at this scenario in hindsight but I still think this was a job better suited for Monitors and Pre-Dreadnoughts and not a job for the latest greatest Super-Dreadnought and lightest armored (both above and below the waterline) Battlecruiser in the fleet.
Finally some one who stated exactly what Admiral Fisher intended this type of ship to be used for. Why Beatty put his ships in the main battle line at Jutland just proves how stupid he was (stupid is as stupid does). Good men paid for that stupidity with their lives.
Correct! In some of the German raids on the east coast, these powerful ships when properly deployed would have been decisive. "speed is armor" is really "a need for speed"
Its easy for you to make comments with hindsight, but the BC was only a viable weapon if the other side did not have them. Once German built BCs then a clash between like ships was very likely. Each would be used as a scouting or recon force with a strong likelihood of the opposing BCs meeting in combat. This wasn't stupidity by anyone, least of all Beatty whose BCF was sanctioned and ordered to do this by Jellicoe. This was simply how the naval race came to its conclusion.
@@ShizukuSeiji While Beatty did use his squadron effectively at the outset of the main encounter at Jutland, i question his judgement in having them stand in a battleline where they would inevitably be subject to hits.....Beatty's pugnacious character overrode his tactical judgement and was responsible for the terrible loss...."....there seems to be something wrong with our ships...." "...two points closer..."
@ yes it is easy to comment with hindsight but if you had studied the battle of Jutland, Beaty made three monumental stuff ups. One, not giving clear instruction to the fifth battle squadron (the four queen Elizabeth’s) on the run south. Secondly not using his range advantage in the opening moments letting the Germans hit first leading to the sinking of queen Mary and Indomitable due to dangerous ammunition handling which Beaty sanctioned. Thirdly putting his battlecruisers in the grand fleets battle line exchanging fire with the high sea fleet leading too the loss of Invincible. Finally what Beaty did after the war when he was first sea lord, ordering changes to the records to cover his stuff ups. I’m sorry but that is pure stupidity.
Innovative they may have been but you go under the skin and they have far more relation ship to Warrior with 12 inch guns and turbine propulsion and anything new.
"Warrior with 12 inch guns and turbine propulsion" Exactly. Those WERE the new and innovative features. A ship with the speed of a cruiser and the guns of a battleship. The speed and armament made Warrior and all ships of her type obsolete.
The algorithm gifted me your channel. Really enjoying it. Now I can listen to you and Drach. 🎉
I have a Navy Good Conduct Medal to a man who served on Inflexible throughout most of WW1 including the Falklands and Jutland, it was modestly priced because he served on Inflexible rather than Invincible but I value it just as highly.
That’s flexible pricing!
I have a WW1 iron cross second class of Rudolf Hess
Bought it in Munich in 1992
Including his original playbook
She may have not seen a lot of action but she was always ready when the bell rang.
Honestly an incredible career just looking at the map of her battles.
Thank you for this video, found it very interesting thank 👍🇬🇧
another great video, to the point and very good research
Interesting video, beautiful pics... thank you.
very informative 👍
You did it again! That picture of Indomitable going up during the battle of Jutland is an incredible shot! It’s so rare to see a picture of a detonation of a ship during this time, but that makes them all the more impactful as momentos of war.
I didn’t realize there was a third detonation of a Royal Navy warship at Jutland apart from Indefatigable and Queen Mary. I’m curious if she has the same mortality rate as the two former casualties (someone help me out with that info)
Thank you again for another awesome video about a ship that I didn’t know much about prior! Can’t wait for what’s next!
It was Invincible that exploded, not Idomitable. Admiral Hood died in the sinking hence why an HMS Hood was built in the 1920s.
@@ShizukuSeiji Cheers for the correction. Did not know that fact about the naming of HMS Hood
Quite the interesting tale, I must say I've not heard it explained of a ship(s) being towed backward for repair.
HMS Canopus was a real hero in WW1
yes indeed! the sight of her tripod mast and a couple of well placed salvoes was enough to discourage Von Spee from the Falklands. And an ominous sign of his doom
@@BjarneLinetsky Actually, Canopus had pole masts. It was the tripods on the battlecruisers that convinced von Spee that he was in trouble.
Mind you, the 12" ranging shots by Canopus from inside Port Stanley probably put the wind up him as well.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 One of those shots skipped on the water and bits hit one of the German cruisers superstructure. This was only Canopus' second salvo. It convinced von Spee to reverse course. Canopus was actually ground deliberately on a mudbank with her hull heeled over to give her guns extra range. The trick worked.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 i stand corrected, Sir!
Mixing first generation, when exposed to similar weaponry, on more armoured counterparts. A rum do.
Really how different were these ships all that different from the original hms Dreadnought?
HMS Very Rigid was already taken?
Replaced by HMS Unbendy
Could call her HMS Stiff. We all sound like science teachers teaching about properties of materials to kids
I always wonder why the german 21 cm did so much poorer at Falklands than at Coronel. The side armor of HMS Good Hope and Invincible was equal in thickness yet the former blew up while the latter shrugged off all hits. What changed? Greater Range?
Range and fire control, the battlecruisers main battery was able to devastate the German cruisers before they could get into effective range for the 21cms.
A battered cruiser
I always found it strange that the Admiralty initially thought it would be a good idea to send HMS Queen Elizabeth to Gallipoli but to send a lightly armored battlecruiser in HMS Inflexible, well that is just folly.
Why? I suspect you are looking at this with hindsight. Inflexible was on station already and QE was used so she could complete working up and get some gunnery practice. At least Inflexible survived her mine explosion, unlike Bouvet. You don't not send warships on campaigns in case they are damaged or lost. You send what you have and are able to.
@@ShizukuSeiji Of course you're right in assuming that I'm looking at this scenario in hindsight but I still think this was a job better suited for Monitors and Pre-Dreadnoughts and not a job for the latest greatest Super-Dreadnought and lightest armored (both above and below the waterline) Battlecruiser in the fleet.
Finally some one who stated exactly what Admiral Fisher intended this type of ship to be used for. Why Beatty put his ships in the main battle line at Jutland just proves how stupid he was (stupid is as stupid does). Good men paid for that stupidity with their lives.
Correct! In some of the German raids on the east coast, these powerful ships when properly deployed would have been decisive. "speed is armor" is really "a need for speed"
Its easy for you to make comments with hindsight, but the BC was only a viable weapon if the other side did not have them. Once German built BCs then a clash between like ships was very likely. Each would be used as a scouting or recon force with a strong likelihood of the opposing BCs meeting in combat.
This wasn't stupidity by anyone, least of all Beatty whose BCF was sanctioned and ordered to do this by Jellicoe. This was simply how the naval race came to its conclusion.
@@ShizukuSeiji While Beatty did use his squadron effectively at the outset of the main encounter at Jutland, i question his judgement in having them stand in a battleline where they would inevitably be subject to hits.....Beatty's pugnacious character overrode his tactical judgement and was responsible for the terrible loss...."....there seems to be something wrong with our ships...." "...two points closer..."
@ yes it is easy to comment with hindsight but if you had studied the battle of Jutland, Beaty made three monumental stuff ups. One, not giving clear instruction to the fifth battle squadron (the four queen Elizabeth’s) on the run south. Secondly not using his range advantage in the opening moments letting the Germans hit first leading to the sinking of queen Mary and Indomitable due to dangerous ammunition handling which Beaty sanctioned. Thirdly putting his battlecruisers in the grand fleets battle line exchanging fire with the high sea fleet leading too the loss of Invincible. Finally what Beaty did after the war when he was first sea lord, ordering changes to the records to cover his stuff ups. I’m sorry but that is pure stupidity.
Hello!
Is it correct, that the video is complete in German?Don't take it personally, but the German AI-voice makes lots of translation mistakes.
I have no control over the auto-dubbing that TH-cam does. Nor do I speak German, so I couldn’t check for mistakes if I did.
@@skyneahistory2306 Thank You for Your explanation.
Innovative they may have been but you go under the skin and they have far more relation ship to Warrior with 12 inch guns and turbine propulsion and anything new.
"Warrior with 12 inch guns and turbine propulsion"
Exactly. Those WERE the new and innovative features. A ship with the speed of a cruiser and the guns of a battleship. The speed and armament made Warrior and all ships of her type obsolete.
3 bladed props? Ewwwwww!!
First!!!