I'm only 20 minutes in, and already Evan Lepler seems allergic to the pronouns "they, them, theirs" even though he loves talking about Jack Verzuh. The number of times he has said "she" and backtracked to say "Verzuh", or simply omitted pronouns altogether when talking about them comes off as rude and thoughtless, especially compared to fellow commentator Megan Tourmey. Jack's preferred pronouns are not a secret, so they shouldn't be a tripping point for any ultimate commentator -- regardless of opinions or habits, it is literally a commentator's job to refer to athletes, their actions, and their achievements accurately.
I also noticed that he was having a hard time, but I don't think it's for lack of trying, especially since he's been referring to them as "she/her" for most of their career.
@@flyingdics1 I think it is a lack of trying -- at least a little bit, and maybe unconsciously --because he rarely if ever corrects himself to say "they, them, theirs". Instead, he glosses over his misgendering of Jack, or switches to saying their name every 8 seconds -- which, while technically correct, is awkward and attention-grabbing in a negative way. In contrast, Megan Tourmey chooses her words more deliberately, and is very successful. I admit I noticed it a lot because I, too, am unused to hearing and using Jack's pronouns. But the only way I can "update/fix myself", so to speak, is to listen to accurate commentary, read ultimate news articles featuring everyone's correct pronouns, and make a consistent effort when talking about (admiring, fangirl-ing over, etc) ultimate players with others.
@@natureloverDawn I hear Megan using "Jack" and "Jack's" more than is usual, along with some other dodges of the "they/them" pronouns, but she is accurately using those pronouns occasionally, where Evan only has once or twice in the parts that I have watched. It's true that he has some significant work to do, but I think he is trying and is not betraying some allergy or other animus to Jack's identity or that of other people that prefer those pronouns. As you said, it takes some time to update oneself, and most of us do that without having our extemporaneous speech recorded for hours at a time and posted for thousands of people to scrutinize.
Respecting other people's pronouns does take a lot of work, especially if they are not cis-heteronormative (which is unfortunate in itself). It's very difficult -- although probably more so for the people whose identities are being butchered. The difference between me and every other viewer or fan, and Evan Lepler? It is literally. his. job. to get it right. I don't think he is intentionally biased, or bigoted, or trying to be negative -- but it's coming out that way, and he IS being paid to do all of the athletes justice.
@@natureloverDawn That's fair, though Megan's not doing much better. When I see people struggling with a part of their job, especially a very new part of it, I usually try to empathize with them. I work with a lot of people that are non-binary or of other trans experience and I suppose it is also literally. my. job. to use their preferred pronouns. I guess I'm lucky that when I mess up or use clunky dodges, people politely correct me if I don't correct myself first (I usually do), and don't post long public admonishments about how bad I am at my job. Like I said, I'm lucky, and I hope you are, too.
I don't care what pronoun Jack wants to use. Obviously a great player and team. But mb Dartmouth should have payed more attention to the game than than flamboyant celebration in the end zone. Back when I played there was something called sotg that didn't involve running over people and spiking the disc in their face. Seemed like the crowd was rooting for ucsd as well
Writing " I don't care what pronouns they use" is dismissive and disrespectful to Jack's skill and their gender identity. You could have left that bigoted comment out. It was a heated game and a close game so spikes etc happen. UCSD didn't seem bothered and neither did the observers. Not one blue card. Not one TMF. Both teams played with grit and respect. Womxns attitude are always held to more scrutiny. We cant just play hard we are expected to smile.
@@redwallace I can see how "I don't care what pronouns they use" can be seen as disrespectful of Jack's gender identity but OP obviously believes them to be a talented and skilled player.
1:43:25 One of the great finishes I've ever seen. Long, chilly sequence capped off by some fantastic bids to keep it going. 1:45:36
The game was so great, had to watch it again!
Incredible game!!!!!!!!
Dena, player of the game!
Great game!
I am so tired of hearing Evan L talk about Jack Verzuh! Dartmouth is full of talented players - and it’s a team sport!! Enough already!
I'm only 20 minutes in, and already Evan Lepler seems allergic to the pronouns "they, them, theirs" even though he loves talking about Jack Verzuh. The number of times he has said "she" and backtracked to say "Verzuh", or simply omitted pronouns altogether when talking about them comes off as rude and thoughtless, especially compared to fellow commentator Megan Tourmey. Jack's preferred pronouns are not a secret, so they shouldn't be a tripping point for any ultimate commentator -- regardless of opinions or habits, it is literally a commentator's job to refer to athletes, their actions, and their achievements accurately.
I also noticed that he was having a hard time, but I don't think it's for lack of trying, especially since he's been referring to them as "she/her" for most of their career.
@@flyingdics1 I think it is a lack of trying -- at least a little bit, and maybe unconsciously --because he rarely if ever corrects himself to say "they, them, theirs".
Instead, he glosses over his misgendering of Jack, or switches to saying their name every 8 seconds -- which, while technically correct, is awkward and attention-grabbing in a negative way. In contrast, Megan Tourmey chooses her words more deliberately, and is very successful. I admit I noticed it a lot because I, too, am unused to hearing and using Jack's pronouns. But the only way I can "update/fix myself", so to speak, is to listen to accurate commentary, read ultimate news articles featuring everyone's correct pronouns, and make a consistent effort when talking about (admiring, fangirl-ing over, etc) ultimate players with others.
@@natureloverDawn I hear Megan using "Jack" and "Jack's" more than is usual, along with some other dodges of the "they/them" pronouns, but she is accurately using those pronouns occasionally, where Evan only has once or twice in the parts that I have watched. It's true that he has some significant work to do, but I think he is trying and is not betraying some allergy or other animus to Jack's identity or that of other people that prefer those pronouns. As you said, it takes some time to update oneself, and most of us do that without having our extemporaneous speech recorded for hours at a time and posted for thousands of people to scrutinize.
Respecting other people's pronouns does take a lot of work, especially if they are not cis-heteronormative (which is unfortunate in itself). It's very difficult -- although probably more so for the people whose identities are being butchered. The difference between me and every other viewer or fan, and Evan Lepler? It is literally. his. job. to get it right. I don't think he is intentionally biased, or bigoted, or trying to be negative -- but it's coming out that way, and he IS being paid to do all of the athletes justice.
@@natureloverDawn That's fair, though Megan's not doing much better. When I see people struggling with a part of their job, especially a very new part of it, I usually try to empathize with them. I work with a lot of people that are non-binary or of other trans experience and I suppose it is also literally. my. job. to use their preferred pronouns. I guess I'm lucky that when I mess up or use clunky dodges, people politely correct me if I don't correct myself first (I usually do), and don't post long public admonishments about how bad I am at my job. Like I said, I'm lucky, and I hope you are, too.
I don't care what pronoun Jack wants to use. Obviously a great player and team. But mb Dartmouth should have payed more attention to the game than than flamboyant celebration in the end zone. Back when I played there was something called sotg that didn't involve running over people and spiking the disc in their face. Seemed like the crowd was rooting for ucsd as well
Not to mention just sending the sloppiest possible transition hucks instead of putting in the effort to earn breaks and upwinders.
Writing " I don't care what pronouns they use" is dismissive and disrespectful to Jack's skill and their gender identity. You could have left that bigoted comment out. It was a heated game and a close game so spikes etc happen. UCSD didn't seem bothered and neither did the observers. Not one blue card. Not one TMF. Both teams played with grit and respect. Womxns attitude are always held to more scrutiny. We cant just play hard we are expected to smile.
@@redwallace I can see how "I don't care what pronouns they use" can be seen as disrespectful of Jack's gender identity but OP obviously believes them to be a talented and skilled player.
Imagine being a dude and playing against girls LMFAooooOOoo
Lol... please tell me this is not a varsity sport.
IMP3TIGO college, professional, varsity you name it pal!