@@riptide534 remember last month I came to your house and held you at gun point until you said it was 100% canon, those were good times. Sorry about that btw
I think it's the Dragons. I've been advocating for a "divine terraforming" theory for a while now. Look at the paths of the Dragons. Dinraal is forming that outside border, she Lowers her area. Naydra is making mountains she is raising up her area. And Farosh is making fresh water.
10000s of years have passed since the previous games of every timeline. 10000s of years we know nothing about on every timeline. Just because a flood happened in the adult timeline at a time we know of, it does not mean that a flood did not happen in other timelines at a time we don't know of.
More than 10000 actually, 10000 years ago is simply the first appearance of the Divine beast and Guardians that helped that version of link and zelda fight Calamity Ganon. But events that lead up to that moment are still unknown. We don't actually know how big the gap in time is between the previous game and the creation of the divine beast.
5h0ckblock That’s what I tried explaining to people. That Link is one of the “unknown Link’s” in the series. Anything could have happened in the span of 10,000 years.
exactly, when you think about it, nintendo was actually very smart to put the events of the Great Calamity 10,000 years before the events of the game, because it's not even stated that that was the first appearance of the calamity. by 10,000 years ago, the name ganondorf and the person he is wasn't even acknowledged, instead his influence was perceived as this apocalyptic force of nature, calamity ganon. because of this, we can infer that the closest game chronologically to botw is likely THOUSANDS of years BEFORE that great battle with the calamity, hence why the distinction of the 3 timelines is negligible. so basically this means the flood theory doesn't place the game solidly in the adult timeline. SO MUCH can happen in 10000+++ years. I mean 10000+++ years ago on earth humans were still making the transition from hunting-gathering to farming. a huge flood and subsequent draining in the span of time before calamity 10000 years ago isn't that unlikely.
Legit, all timeliness are connected. Thats the whole point of breath of the wild. It takes place so far after after all other timelines, that they have somehow merged back into a single timeline. Now wouldn't THAT be a great prequel premise.
I think there's a theory somewhere that actually, Hyrule warriors 1 is Canon and takes place before the events of botw. The map is very identical in both games and there's more similarities.
Exactly. I never understood why there was confusion about this, if there are elements of each timeline in the game then it takes place in all 3, or rather the single timeline that resulted after they were rejoined.
No one seems to notice that breath of the wild isn't 10,000 years after the last games-it's actually much further. By the time the events of 10,000 years ago took place, the current castle had replaced the old one on the great plateau, which had been moved up at some point, the sheikah had gone from a tiny group of people to an upper class of scientists, and, if my own theories are correct, the champions replaced the sages over time and evolution of the hylian religion. I'd say that's even more centuries, to the point that it's ridiculous any of the ruins from the older games are anything more than dust.
"It got me thinking how much fun water is" *Remembers* *the* *hours* *spent* *trying* *to* *complete* *the* *water* *and* *Great* *Bay* *Temple* . Yeah, real fun. Real fun. Also, you know we want you to take us down the rabbit hole of Breath of the Wild Timeline placement theories.
@@PikiPoke It has actually been confirmed that BotW happened at the end of all three timelines, creating a new timeline of the three others joined into one
If you look at the broken parts of the ruins in the Tabantha reaction, the texture looks a lot like limestone. Limestone is mined near the sea (I'm pretty sure the ancient Greeks used it to build temples on islands). If they had enough limestone to build whatever structures the ruins used to be, then at the very least there used to be a lot more water in or around hyrule than there is now
My timeline placement theory is during SS, Ghirahim travels through the gates of time, creating a new timeline. I think that that timeline is similar to the other splits (having it's own WW, oot, tp, you get the point) and at the end of it is BotW.
That's sort of something that Arlo mentioned in the following video: th-cam.com/video/DgIdymgu0yo/w-d-xo.html I really recommend watching the whole video.
On a similar note, way back before we ever got Hyrule Historia or a semblance of an official timeline, I briefly toyed with the idea that the original Hyrule Fantasy and Adventure of Link took place in the Adult Timeline, Hyrule Fantasy's Hyrule being a drained Hyrule of The Wind Waker and Adventure of Link being the New Hyrule of Spirit Tracks. Didn't consider it for very long, but a content creator called Lancun and I kind of backed-and-forthed for a bit, intrigued with the possibility.
you can actually find the Hyrule of the first game as a tiny portion of the Adventures of Link map. it's not super obvious but a ton of features lined up perfectly.
MY TIME HAS COME. Wall of text warning, you have been warned. So, Breath of the Wild exists, from what I hear according to the devs, at the end of the "inevitable" timeline. If anyone here is familiar with Steins Gate, I won't get too deep into it, there is a concept that some events, no matter the events that precede them, are inevitable. Let's put a pin in that. We also know that Nintendo has toyed with the idea of time periods converging due to some kind of rift event. Way way back in 2012, I had the idea for a Zelda story set in the future, except it existed in a timeline where an entity ripped open space and time to converge with itself and destroy all timelines, but in doing so allowed heroes from multiple timelines to meet the converged entity with even more opposition. Furthermore, the effects of this entity's meddling with time were irreparable, meaning that all of the pasts of the different timelines happened simultaneously and were all factual in this new convergent timeline. In 2013/2014, Hyrule Warriors was announced for the Wii U. I saw parallels with my own fan story in its construction, so I went on Miiverse to predict the plot of the game. Come September, it turned out I was *mostly* right. So, fast forward to 2017. Breath of the Wild is released. We find rock salt, koroks, lynels, yellow stripes, mentions of Twilight and other events from all across the series and all timelines. Everyone is scrambling, "Where is it placed?" I know the truth. Which timeline is it in? The answer is D: all of the above. Breath of the Wild is the inevitable point for all points in the timelines. As such, certain events must have occurred at points in the other timelines which forced them to come back to the convergent point, meaning that a flood occurred after the adult and fallen timelines, the Sheikah at some point became the most technologically advanced people in the world in all timelines - which we already see evidence of as early as Ocarina of Time with the windmill and many moving contraptions in the Shadow Temple, and the Zora became a civilized people in the Downfall timeline, something we actually see evidence of in A Link Between Worlds.
Finally someone who shares my theory! At least for a significant part. I've commented on this video with said theory, so please give it a read if you'd like.
Now now MNB, we all know this is undeniably another symptom of the inevitable timeline merge placement. Just kidding(kinda), good video! I know someday we'll figure out BotW.
We can always go the Rick and Morty route and assume every TLOZ takes place in a different universe than the rest. I'm pretty sure that is how Nintendo see things anyway.
I still believe it's a unified timeline, at some point all the timelines converged. Or it's somehow a new timeline and everything else in it is easter eggs to previous titles. *shrug*
I don't think a unified timeline is even possible. It's just too confusing since this unified timeline would have 3 different histories, and 3 Triforces. 3 Triforces would be an overabundance of power that would destroy the world.
@@elitegamer9310 Yeah, I agree. I think it's just the "some events will eventually happen again (or in this case, another timeline)" situation. Somehow, Rito came to be in another timeline, or since the Great Sea might have resided, the goddesses saw no reason to bound the Rito to the air any longer, so split them into the Rito AND Zora. Also, the Temple of Tiem could have been remade, and Lynels are creations of Ganon, like the Bokoblins. You can tell by the eyes and the silver enemies, which are specifically stated to be creations of Ganon.
I agree with this, but it's literally like the only thing I can think about the Timeline. But another timeline also fits in some regards, considering all the Time Traveling in Skyward Sword, you'd think there is another split way earlier in the Timeline. Who knows and I suspect Nintendo isn't going to tell us squat for a long time. Look how long it took to get the 'official' timeline Lol.
Yeah, I agree the previous commenters; a "unified timeline" is pretty much impossible, on a whole bunch of different levels. I think BotW is essentially a reboot to the Zelda timelines, taking place SOOO far ahead of any existing "Legends of Zelda" that all the stories from those timelines have become just that: stories, legends, myths. It's actually a pretty clever way of nodding back to previous content without being restricted by it (which...they could have avoided by just not publishing "official" timelines in the first place...).
@@elitegamer9310 It's perfectly possible. Ever read Worldbinder by David Farland? In it the protagonist is tricked into binding his world with one where humanity is almost extinct because of a race called the Wyrmlings. They are different worlds with different histories, yet it works in that story. Anyone who exist in both worlds are merged with their counterparts, so there wouldn't even have to be three Triforces. That does have some unforeseen consequences, as some of the Wyrmlings start to develop a conscience. As for the different histories, let me ask you a rhetorical question. How many versions of the King Arthur legend exists?
Having gotten into content creation recently I've noticed your editing is top notch man. Like it's so amazingly put together, all the little zooms or transitions with such tiny and subtle but so important noises to make it come across naturally must take a lot of thought. Good video~
“Expose Hyrule to the sun”... it... actually kinda makes sense. I just am annoyed with how Ganondorf is “killed” in WW and TP yet still exists in the BotW 2 reality... there’s gonna be new info revealed (or just completely retconned lol) so it’s not impossible, it just is annoying sometimes XD
Though Ganon more than Zelda and Link has appeared in the same incarnation numerous times, the Spirit of Demise can reincarnate into new similar forms, as is seen in Four Swords Adventures when a new Ganondorf is born into the Gerudo tribe.
in windwaker he is't killed but sealed forever due to the master sword being left in his head to keep him contained knowing that the sword can weaken without having sages or prayers to the goddesses its possible that over time the sword would lose its power and ganondorf would return. In TP his body is killed but not destroyed and we know from other zelda games that his body can be revived with dark magic and even his soul could be restored as well per the witches twin rova which could be something that happens down the road in that timeline.
It takes place at the end of all timeliness. I feel like in future games there's going to be events linking certain timeliness together. I mean they kinda did it in hyrule warriors (yes i know its not canon). Think of it as a spider web, though it may branch out it still has a strong start(skyward) and a anchor end peice where multiple threads come together(BoTW) . As for what fills in the middle and how big the web is, that all just depends on the limitations of the spider.
You get salt all over the map because over a geological timescale pretty much everywhere is covered in ocean at some point. They come and go as do mountains. It doesn't need to be all at once to deposit salt.
It's the MOON. Ganondorf's first action was to send his malice to the moon, drawing it closer like Skullkid had done. Its gravity caused the land to rise. This is the most physically natural and plausible explanation. Think about it. Seas can't drain. By definition, they occupy basins. They are the lowest point already. The only way for submerged land to dry, is for the land to RISE.
@@maichu6584 Look, I just want BoTW2 to go to the moon. XD Halo 2 promised us we'd have missions defending Earth from moon bases, and they ended up not developing them. I've been salty and wanting ever since!
Yeah... Just a slight problem with that. Any changes to the moon would cause the SEA to rise not the land. In fact it happens all the time and we call it the tide. Now in theory you could have a situation where the moon becomes 'tidaly locked' and causes permanent high tides on one side of the planet and low tides on the other. The problem is, the side with the low tides would never see the moon. We see the moon all the time in BOTW so that is out.
@@patrickb8134 You've hit exactly on why it IS INDEED possible. For a period of time, there would be monstrous tides. Hyrule would re-surface, only to be repeatedly swallowed by tides. The thing is, the land would not relax afterwards - it's stone, not water. Magma solidifies, but the seas do not. If the moon's orbit changed again afterwards, the land would remain raised. The tides, however, would go back to normal. In fact, this could possibly be accomplished by making the moon's orbit much more eccentric. Each pass could raise the land significantly, but the tides would go back to small and stay that way for a while. After that, a circularization of its orbit would put things back to normal - but the land would remain.
I have had this theory for a while now, not because of the salt but because of the great plateau, I am most likely incorrect but I have had a feeling that the great plateau was actually new hyrule, this video only makes me feel more strongly about this.
I love these adult timeline-placed theories. They make so much more sense than anything else, especially when you add the Zora monuments into the equation
"They make the most sense" the gerudo are all dead, Hyrule doesnt exist, the master sword is lost at the bottom of an ocean, most people live in a new hyrule, the zora are extinct, the goron are on the verge of extinction, botw has more lins to the child and downfall timelines but yeah it makes the most sense
@@ontos8914 Nobody knows what happened to the Gerudo, Zora, and Gorons. Just because they aren't present in Wind Waker, doesn't mean they didn't survive somehow. And with a gap in time of well over 10,000 years, it's entirely possible the Master Sword could have been recovered in some way. Meanwhile the existence of the Rito is dependent on a circumstance that only happened in the Adult Timeline. There's no evidence that suggests they could or would evolve the same way 10k+ years later in the Child Timeline, and their evolutionary path is already different in the Downfall Timeline, as evidenced by the River Zora. Any "links to the Child and Downfall Timelines" go about as far as: Lynels are in the game, and Zelda said the word Twilight.
Wind Waker literally had a sidequest for this... watering the withered Deku Trees... In Ocarina Of Time, there is no highland in or around Kokiri Forest high enough to be above Wind Waker's Great Sea... So clearly, The Great Deku Tree used his power to raise the Forest Haven up high enough to be above the water... ...imagine what 9 Great Deku Trees spread evenly throughout Hyrule could do...
@@tjtribble. sure, not if they're just regular non-talking non-earth-spirit trees, but like I said, there was no land high enough around Kokiri Forest to be above the Great Sea, the only explanation is the Deku Tree raised the land above the sea. If 1 Great Deku Tree can raise all the islands of the Forest Haven, what can 9 evenly spread throughout Hyrule do?
It was already explained that botw wasn't necessarily a "timeline reunification", but that the events that took place were an eventuality within reach respective timeline
It boggles me how theorists pointed out Nintendo saying it was the inevitable timeline, meaning all three branches end up with the same events but in different order, but still try to place BotW in a single timeline. The evidence for any of the three is going to be there because of this fact. Also, with a giant flood and 10,000+ years in the way, it's pretty likely that the old structures in the game were newer versions of the castle, ranch and such. It's only "old" to us because of, well, 10,000 years.
Has anyone talked about plate tectonics? The earth's continents has taken different shapes over the course of millions of years. What about an ice age that literally moved entire land masses. Especially since Gannon has not been seen for 10,000 years. So with the obvious tectonic activity with the volcano it could be possible that Hyrule just naturally shifted
The Earth is at most 10,000 years old. And I'm talking about our Earth. Scientists have zero idea on how to settle on a specific aging method for fossils and minerals. The Bible is technically the most accurate description of the world. There are many scientists who, after actually opening their eyes to the fact that evolution is the most foolish theory ever conceived, believe the Bible from a scientifically standpoint, not necessarily faith-wise.
Brayden TheDestinedShield so you’re saying the very fictional sounding tales of the Bible are true? Like what all aspects of the Bible do scientists believe to be true ?
Why do so many people spell it as "Gannon"? That's not his name! It's just a mistranslation in the original game, his real name is "Ganon". [Over-exaggerated, obviously ;-)]
My personal head canon for the breath of the wild timeline placement is that the timelines merged sometime before the beginning of the series There’s enough evidence to support this as items and creatures from all three timelines show up in breath of the wild
I believe breath of the wild takes place in a new timeline that I'm going to call the "Inevitable Timeline". In other words, no matter which timeline you follow, after sooooo many years have passed inevitable events transpire that not only eventually lead up to BOTW, but other games as well. For example...say your following the windwaker timeline, and a few thousand years after spirit tracks the water levels of hyrule is for whatever reason lowered. Maybe it was wished back to normal, maybe Ganondorf woke up and used magic, or maybe even a water dragon controlled the flow who know. Or hell maybe hyrule itself was moved somewhere else. The people who are descendants of the people from spirit tracks are still exploring new lands and eventually find their way back to og hyrule. After settling in events transpire to create a scenario SIMILAR to twilight princess. Its different from how we the player knows these events but there's enough similarities to this alternate story that the main key elements still happen such as the mirror breaking and Ganondorfs defeat. This begins a chain of events that continues to recreate alternative versions of each legend until eventually the time reaches BOTW as we know it. On the flip side if you follow Twilight Princess timeline, perhaps Ganondorf didn't actually die there either and everyone just assumed he died. Eventually he wakes up and either Link and Zelda are too old and frail to stop him or they haven't been born yet etc. This leads to there being no one left to stop him and this leads to events that are either similar to downfall or similar to adult. and once again creates an inevitability where the time eventually becomes what we know to be BOTW. This theory is further supported by the fact that Ganon in BOTW is meant to be seen as a force of nature. As we all know when it comes to actual forces of nature its never a question of IF they will happen....its a question of WHEN. Disasters always happen EVENTUALLY.
I think the funniest part of all this is that if BOTW is truly the inevitable Nexus of the three timelines, Age of Calamity (which is canon) creates a new alternative timeline right away lol
You dont really need an explanation for Ganonforf surviving on the Twilight Princess timeline as he has the power of reincarnation as Link and Zelda anyway so him dying means nothing actually
@@XXXKaruXXX Actually, unlike Link and Zelda, every Ganondorf (prior to tears of the kingdom) had been literally the same Ganondorf/Ganon. For one reason or another, whether its from being sealed or just being in possession of the triforce, something keeps him from aging. There hasn't been a single instance of him actually reincarnating. Not that it matters since tears changes literally everything.
People are still talking about Botws timeline placement and it really confuses me. Wasn't it already confirmed ages ago that it happens at the end of all three timelines? Why are people stilling going on like "Its in the Child Timeline!" "No! It's in the Adult Timeline" "Actually, it's in the Fallen Timeline!" when we already know it's in ALL TIMELINES and not just one? Just really confused about that.
I think the Great Plateau is essentially Castle Town from OoT (temple of time is there, the area leading up to the castle is there, surrounded by walls) and the location of the the new castle is New Castle Town from Spirit Tracks. They used to be separated by the sea, but the sea dried up. There are still references to people and places from other timelines because these things still exist in the adult timeline. There still is an Arbiters Ground even around the time of OoT. Darmani still was born in every timeline even if he only meets the Hero of Time in the child timeline.
I hold fast to two major theories: * 1: There is no "The Hero Lost" timeline (which would actually be an alternate reality/universe, not a different timeline, as the timelines require Link to have lived). Rather, there are three timelines: the Child Timeline (where Link was sent back to and was able to divert the future path by revealing Ganon's plans); the Adult Timeline (where Ganon took over the world but was then beaten by Link); and the Abandoned Timeline (the intervening period that continued along its own path where Link hadn't awakened and was stuck within the Sacred Realm). The first two timelines are obvious, but the third is more hidden, as it takes place in the intervening years between Link's back-n-forth time travel, which a time which Link never showed up in and thus was never around to affect. It is the timeline between the two others. * 2: Hyrule Warriors is cannon and serves as the merging of the three timelines, which is why creatures and events from all the timelines are known in Breath of the Wild (as, by the theory, Breath of the Wild takes place after the Hyrule Warriors game[s]).
@@Borgdrohne13 * 1st Theory: The Fallen Timeline is the "The Hero Lost" timeline that Nintendo made up (which can be called such because it can't be a separate timeline if it requires Link's death; that would invalidate the Child & Adult timelines unless the Fallen/Hero Lost timeline is its own separate universe/reality). Ultimately, one could say it's a semantic issue, as the games within the timeline remain unchanged regardless of what you call it - only difference between the "Abandoned Timeline" and "Fallen Timeline" is whether or not it can exist as a separate timeline from the Child & Adult timelines (Abandoned timeline can be a separate timeline from the Child/Adult timelines, the Fallen timeline can't). * 2nd Theory: Given my above explanation about the timeline issue Nintendo created, as well as how they also claimed a few years back that the original Legend of Zelda games were non-canon before recanting not long after, I don't give their voice any weight when it comes to which "legends" are canon or not-canon. Especially when something they claim isn't canon fits perfectly into the canon without contradicting anything (as the original Hyrule Warriors does - no contradictions, and the time sorceress that serves as the main bad guy is also the perfect explanation for how & why the timelines seem to have merged at some point).
Haha, I felt that NOPE at that shot of the water. I once played a game where you could be an orca or shark in the ocean and oh my god the open expanse of NOTHING until it's Right There is terrifying. From what I understood in WW, the Great Sea was a DEAD sea. It had people that adapted to it, but it was fishless, and almost too calm and serene on a nice day. It was as if the Great Sea's nature of being created by the gods to bury Hyrule left it in a frozen stasis to serve the sold purpose of keeping the people on the islands away from the danger still lurking in the kingdom. I can see the full flooding of the kingdom at the end of WW 'freeing' the sea from this very stasis, allowing it to ebb and flow with proper currents, storms, and eventually dry up if it did remain too still and calm. I like to think the 'Dunno' ending choice in Spirit Tracks has Link go on a pilgrimage and eventually rediscover old Hyrule in some fashion and trigger an eventual return to the true kingdom.
nintendo actually just separated it altogether iirc so that all the old games take place in the vague "era of myth" where it is unclear which ones happened and which ones didnt in relation to the new games for which they literally drew a line and placed separately
There is a picture online that syncs up the botw map with zelda 2's overworld map. It also explains why spectacle rock is where it is. The ancient sea could be the same sea in zelda 2 that you take the raft/boat across, but dried up due to the new death mountain. Its actually pretty interesting.
The salt can be from multiple smaller areas, that some time in the past was underwater, but no longer is. It does not have to be at the same time all at once; yes the description sais an ancient sea, but that can be a smaller local ancient sea.
The odds of there being individual seas all over hyrule that all drained up is astronomically small, even over 10000+ years. While land on earth moves around over time, most of the land that’s above the water usually stays above the water. It is possible in the Zelda universe, but it couldn’t have been caused naturally. And imo it’s much more likely that it was just The Great Sea, rather than different people manipulating the land to create seas in every location at different periods of time.
@@tjtribble. bruh the Earth is literly "eating" itself (tectonic plates get pushed under other ones and slowly "sink" deeper into the mantle) and you say land can't sink underwater. Also ever heard about the sea rising, and saltwater lakes drying up? Mini-ice ages? Global warming? And the fact that the opposite (global cooling) also is a common event? If you've ever seen a "timelapse of the Earth" video, especially one with a prediction of the future, you'd say otherwise. (Sorry if I came over rude, didn't mean to.)
@@tjtribble. well considering the geography of hyrule shifts like every 100 years and the zelda timeline takes place over about 100,000 years its say its fairly possible
4:23 Well technically the Twilight incident with the banished tribe is a “constant” in the background of every timeline. As for whether or not they still hold influence later on varies. One could argue that the “ninjas” who plague Ikhana Valley in Termina are an alternate world’s version of the tribe who had succeeded, whereas the Twili had failed and were banished. Even Zant, the usurper, has a fighting style which almost mirrors the tribe leader’s dual scimitar fighting style. We do know the presence of other worlds linked together is canon.
I always thought botw unified all three timelines ending the split. And through whatever method unified explains why references are found from all three timelines
Maybe some sorth of time travel united the three timelines? I commented that a long time ago I saw in an event of gacha movile game who two timelines were created an existed at the same time, and the protagonist of that event felt how thoes timelines were constantly overlaping with each other. At the end of that day (those timelines existed only for a day) both ended up merging togehter for some reason, and it was revealed that one of the protagonist friend's accidentally created an alternative timeline (with some sorth of time powers)to prevent a catastrophe, but somehow the different stories that happen in both timelines ended up happening, just as if there were only one timeline, maybe because of the powers of the protagonist's friend who caused those timelines to exist.
Hyrule Warriors is what ended the split (remember that the antagonist of that game is a time wizard who messes with the timeline specifically to try and get with Link).
@@DBArtsCreators but for what we now Hyrule Warriors is not canon. I'm hoping at least Age of Calamity (who is canon) could make something like HW and explain or get some lore about the timelines.
@@davids4719 Considering how Nintendo doesn't have a working explanation and has also said half the games in the abandoned timeline are also non-canon at various times (then retracted the statements), I'm willing to ignore the technicality since the game itself doesn't actually contradict anything in any of the games.
I think the hole the Gerudo Tower is sitting in has something to do with the drainage of Hyrule, and the massive chasm is where Hyrule was cut from the main land and sunk beneath the waves. I mean, look how high up the land surrounding Hyrule sits. If Ganon was responsible, I believe the massive loss of ocean was what gave him his title of CALAMATY Ganon.
Show of hands, people, for those who have played ANY version of the Wind Waker, who here, even once, has held their breath during the cutscene where Toon Link is sinking below the waves to Hyrule? ✋…Every time I play it, too.
Well, Tetra and Link did find somewhere according to Spirit Tracks. It's possible it slowly drained as years went by, then they moved back. Edit: I wrote this in the beginning.
Don’t remember where it was, but I remember seeing a theory that someone for some reason wished on the Triforce to merge the timelines together. How this person knew in the first place there were separate timelines I’m not sure of... What do you think?
This video confirms my personal theory. It's wind waker ganon that we are dealing with. I had this battle with people in the comments between mnb and zeltiks comment sections.
What if the reason Hyrule was drained was because someone got all the pieces of the triforce and made a wish to bring it back. Really unlikely, but just a thought.
I mean, the Triforce is present still, so it shouldn't be IMPOSSIBLE that someone just brought it back, for what reason we don't know, but it's a possible answer as to how a flooded Hyrule is well above the surface.
If it came to the triforce it would not even need to be deliberately risen it could be something along the lines of wishing for the treasures at the bottom of the sea and that brings the land back as the land itself could be considered a treasure or any other of the dangers with things grating wishes with no way to judge the outcome
I really like this theory, and i never really thought about the massive chasm around Hyrule that way until you mentioned it. My only objection to this that (As far as we know based on information that has been given to us) Ganondorf from WW *died* died. I say this because Malladus is obviously a spawn of Demises Curse of Hatred, and as far as we know, there can only be one spawn at a time. HOWEVER That is just a theory based on things we know as players. DOUBLE HOWEVER We don't know if the Curse can resurrect an old vessil
Gotta disagree entirely. Hyrule is a volcanic continent. Those rise from the sea, therefore everywhere from Death Mountain down can have rock salt. You're making a logical error in thinking what we only see in one branch can't exist in another. There's no reason all timelines can't have Lynels, Koroks, Rito and intelligent Zora. What defines BotW's placement is it's recorded history. Finally, and most damningly, King Daphnes wished to erase Hyrule and Ganondorf. Neither are coming back in the AT. BotW doesn't follow all timelines, it can fit on one just fine.
This is such an intelligent argument. Honestly, I'm rooting for child timeline just because I love twilight princess but I still think it's the adult cause ruto is mentioned
@@andresbarquin Cheers! I'm personally fine with CT or DT, but lean DT based on HH narrative. If we use it for the timeline, we kind of need to accept its explanations.
@@stuffz1757 That's actually such another good point and I have no idea why I didn't think about that before lols. Honestly then, it would have to be child timeline. How else would ganondorf be there? He turned into beast ganon at the end of the downfall and stayed that way all the way through downfall. Perhaps child link became a historian and included information from what he did as the hero for when he helped ruto become a sage. OR because he was forgotten actually. TP Link kept visiting the heros shade and passed on his legacy that way.
Oh. My. Goddess. You missed the ancient sea that’s present in all 3 timelines: the LANAYRU SAND SEA!THATS how there can be rock salt all over Hyrule! Edit: that doesn’t explain why rock salt can b found literally everywhere.
Andreas Hyrule’s geography is notoriously wonky. Plus, I’d believe it if someone deliberately moved the rock salt all over Hyrule for no reason, but that’s wierd even by Zelda standards. Remember, it’s been 10,000 since any previous Zelda game, plenty of time for the rock salt to be moved around by choice or by commerce or by weird pseudo-geological forces. But you’re right, making it an Adult Timeline game would fix that, but it would still have to be able to exist in any timeline.
Jack Walker we’ve got to come up with an explanation for rock salt that works for all 3 timelines. Maybe BOTW is in the Adult Timeline. I wanted to make it work in the other timelines. You’re absolutely right, the rock salts being everywhere makes no sense, but it’s clearly the same Hyrule as non-WW games. Hyrule Castle, Lon Lon Ranch, the Temple of Time, none of them could’ve survived centuries at Davy Jones’ Locker (WW’s Castle was very different from Botw’s, and it was reclaimed by the sea anyway at the end of WW). It’s clear from the everything about it that BOTW is a return to fun-first, story-whatever game design that inspired Zelda 1, so what does it really matter? But you’re still right about the rock salt.
I mean, Nintendo wasn't vague about making it such a far removed entity that it's universe existed so long that it had a flood- but not the wind waker flood- that there was a hero of time, but probably not -that- hero of time, and so on. It's a weak answer, but it's not really their fault that they got harassed into trying to cram a bunch of disconnected stories together.
To be clear, I enjoy theory crafting- I enjoy it a lot. I don't want to give the impression I don't, but trying to wedge BotW into places it blatantly doesn't belong isn't really going to get anyone where, because there's always going to be a "yeah, but.."
Hyrule Warriors already serves as an easy explanation of how the timelines' unique characters and events are all showing up and getting referenced in BotW.
At first I would have rebutted by saying, "Well, can you explain why cacti are in an "Arabian/Egyptian" sand-filled desert? Cacti are only found in North American rocky deserts with thin layers of sand." But the text clearly says "Ancient Sea," and the ridge against Death Mountain does make it more believable. Good job, I never noticed or picked up on this.
To me botw can ONLY be placed in the adult timeline. People saying "what about the mention of the twilight" arnt thinking it through, remember the twilight realm exists in ALL timelines, but just the events of zants invasion only happened in the child timeline. Ganondorf was captured before his attack in oot and thrown into the twilight realm, meaning the mirror of twilight existed DURING oot and the royal family almost certainly knew about this. Just cus zelda mentions the twilight realm, doesnt mean it MUST be in the child line, it also exists in the adult line and infact all timelines as it existed during oot Similarly i dont buy the whole "these monsters show up which are only from the downfall line" either. Just cus you dont fight a particular monster in another game, doesnt mean that species doesnt exist somewhere, you just dont happen to encounter them. You dont even fight bokoblins or chuchu's in ocarina of time, does that mean they dont exist at all during that time? No ofcourse not. Honestly trying to say lynels and hinox's are proof its the downfall timeline is fairly poor reasoning to me with little foothold to speak of Only the adult timeline has solid evidence which puts it into ONLY this timeline. The mention of the ancient sea and the salt it left over is obviously the biggest piece of evidence, the flood and great sea only ever happened in 1 timeline. Further more the existence of the rito and koroks are further evidence which lock it into just the adult line, as these species only came to be after evolving due to life after the great flood I really dont get why people keep saying its in all timelines when the evidence is pretty clear. Sure it references things from other games in other timelines, but said things also exist in all timelines. Its only the adult line which shows evidence unique to 1 timeline
Here's a theory for you what if Ganon had found out about the existence of all three timelines and use the Triforce of Power to merge them back into one timeline combining himself from all three timelines giving him the malleus to become Calamity Ganon
While I understand your line of thought there's one simple thing that makes this just not work. The fact that the ruins of structures from Ocarina of Time still exist (castle town and lon lon ranch). After being under for that long of a period of time they should be gone entirely. You could say that they were rebuilt but how could they be rebuilt in the exact same way without a reference. As for the Rito and Koroks. The Great Deku Tree just turned the Kokiri into Koroks in the adult timeline, what says this can't happen in other timelines. The Rito in Breath of the Wild look very different from those in the Wind Waker making me think they may have different origins. But even if they have the same origin of evolving from Zora what says this couldn't happen in another timeline where they end up coexisting. Also, the Gerudo only show up in the child timeline and the Zora do not appear in the adult timeline making this a sort of hypocritical point. As for salt idk that ones still a mystery to me.
The Zora not turning up in the Adult Timeline could be that they are a fresh water species and couldn't survive in salt water. Forcing the evolutionary change to birds for the ones trapped on top dragons roost surrounded by salt water oceans.
@@MrMartin27 I have never liked the Rito from The Wind Waker! My main point of contention is with the fact that whoever or whatever they are, they are regular humanoids until they received a gift of a scale from a dragon spirit/deity. Shouldn't they have been transformed into something more akin to the dragon creature!?!
personally, i think that hyrule warriors brings together all the time lines because you can’t have both the lobster tee and majoras mask in the same timeline
Didn't the land Spirit Tracks have get called "New Hyrule" The fact Tetra named the kingdom that ment that The king's wish got countered. If theres a "New" Hyrule.. what happened to the old one? It failed to be forgotten forever
@@anotterwithaphone3077 his wish wasn't really countered. He just wish for hyrule to be fully washed away as in completely flood the place. Even if old hyrule wasn't forgotten about the land along with the master sword are permanently under an ocean
@@AstralComposition Maybe not permanently. The master sword maybe had a diver find it exploring old Hyrule. Just spitballing really.. honestly I think it's either the child timeline.. Or.. an inevitable timeline. I personally like to think Hyrule Warriors was Cannon and Cia and Leia's (was that her name) actions resulted in a convergence event of all three timelines resulting In Breath of the Wild.
@@anotterwithaphone3077 yeah I feel like Nintendo will either say child timeline or an inevitable one as well. I feel like it would be pretty interesting if hyrule warriors was canon if Nintendo could make it work it'd be pretty... well interesting lol
so the theory is that hyrule warriors was what brought all the timelines together because the whole universe crossing going on in that game, so that explains why it has things from all timelines
Two ideas: 1) Maybe the timeline split was just a really long Dragon Break and BotW is in the Hyrule that came to be after all the contradictory events reconciled. 2) A cool idea for a future Zelda game would be moving between the timelines (a la ALttP and ALBW) and reunifying them at the end.
For some reason, when I first played Twilight Princess, I somehow convinced myself that the events of that story was leading up to the great flood. So, you can imagine the feeling of dread I experienced when it started raining during the endgame. It’s a ridiculous notion, I know, but still. It’s just something that happened back when I first played it. Also, I think making Hyrule Warriors canon would totally solve the BotW timeline issue because it would just mean that this new Hyrule is on a new converged timeline. 😋👍🏻
In Windwaker, the Koroks mission was to unite all the islands again by expanding the forests on each one. After a few milenium Old Hyrule became fused once more and then the timelines did the same.
The Goddesses flooded Hyrule and a barrier was placed over the top creating a sort of artificial ocean floor. So Hyrule wasn't permanently flooded it was mostly preserved under a magic barrier which the king in Windwaker removed, the ocean water was then basically just dropped onto Hyrule along with all of the salt and various other materials the had gathered on top of the barrier. It probably only would've taken a few centuries for the water covering Hyrule to evaporate, be soaked up by the Gerudo Desert, or fall through under caves and catacombs that would've opened from Earthquakes/sinkholes/the water initially crashing down/creation of the sheikah's underground hero training
I figure it's at the end of all time lines because of the Zora, Rito, Lynels, Gold Band hat, Linebeck and Mercay Islands, and somewhere out in the sea there is an island called New Hyrule brimming with train tracks.
I have a wild theory that follows this logic. I think there will be time travel to the original ancient legend using the Temple of Time/Skyward Sword technology and will have two entire maps like past games. I would rather go to Holodrum but hey. WW Ganondorf was humbled in his defeat and seeing this eternal struggle tried to cast off Ganon, and sealed himself. He actually became a hero to Hyrule, forgotten by time. This version of Ganondorf is a shady ally, but his future self is lost to corruption.
I've been wondering why no one had talked about the massive gorge around the western and northern borders of Hyrule. I keep trying to explore bits of it, but there's only so much you can do without plummeting to your death.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING OUT THE CANYON AND THE LAND BRIDGE. For ages I thought I was the only one who'd spotted that. My current theory is that Hyrule is pulling away from the main continent, but it's a delight to see those brought up in a theory vid!
I came to the same conclusion that BotW is in the Adult Timeline. Mostly because of a few things. 1. Rito. These guys only are found out in one other game, wind Waker. Even though there are both Rito and Zora in BotW, there can be another explanation for that. Remember your old theory of MM just being a different part of the world? Well, Zora from there could have traveled to the old Hyrule. 2. Rock salt. As stated, there is salt EVERYWHERE, so it must have been covered by a lot of saltwater. That can’t just disappear, it needs to evaporate. Perhaps over the course of thousands of years it may have drained, or been restored by the goddesses. The carving of the “moats” is also a feasible option. 3. Lurelin village looks almost exactly like outset island. The difference is practically nonexistent, so there is either a huge Easter egg, or it is canon. 4. New Hyrule. There is a chance that over the years, the hylians may have gone back to the place where new Hyrule was. They could have dived down, grabbed a bunch of artifacts(Including the master sword), and remade old buildings in New Hyrule. Thousands of years pass between games, so this is quite possible. 5. The Zonai. (Last one, I promise) The Zonai are said to have come over the sea thousands of years before the time of BotW. These people could have been New Hyrulians, and could have remade Old Hyrule. Also, if they were working with the sheikah, they could have used teleport technology(see the switch theory) to raise up old Hyrule, or to teleport a new landmass there. Thank you for listening, and have a great day.
The Rito exist in the child timeline. In Twilight Princess there is the wall design that shows Hylians interacting with other races, one of which is the Rito. It was even shown in the vid
Arctic Dino That may have been a good point, if the 3D designer for that carving had kept canon. He just slapped together whatever he thought was cool. Check out one of Nintblks older videos.
Woah I was just explaining the great flood of wind waker to my friend then I see this video! You and Zeltik have to be my all time favorite zelda theorists. Both of you have very soothing voices!
What if before the 10,000 years, there was some kind of event that brought all the timelines together? All of the worlds combine into one. I don't know if it's plausible but I think it'd be a pretty sick game. lol
It's not hard to figure out which timeline BotW takes place in, the answer is all of them. BotW is so far in OoT's future that all 3 timelines converged.
Obviously, it was the adult timeline, with a new hyrule with King Rauru. And the Triforce is gone (unless it's Zelda's hand), which it disappeared in Wind Waker. Wonderful video!!! 👍👍👍👍👏👏😁
Child timeline seems to be the most likely one, koroks can be explained due to evolution and many wars that happend against deku tree from ganon. Rito can be similar explained: half of zoras wanted to seperate themselves from normal zoras, but due to things they evolved
People really underestimate the power of nature and time. 10,000 years is talked about in the game like its only 500. Us humans have only about 5,000 years worth of recorded history and so much in our world changes in the span of only a few years. Just compare the world now from 100 years ago. It's not unlikely that the sea just evaporated, or there was an ice age or something else. Besides its only been 10,000 years since the last Calamity Ganon was sealed, that means all kinds of civilisation was thriving before then anyway and who knows for how long. It could have easily been at least 30,000 years since Hyrule was under the sea.
After you beat the forbidden woods level in The Wind Waker, the great deku tree says “Forests hold great power, they can change one tiny island into a much larger land, soon, a day will come when all the islands are one, connected by earth and grove.” Maybe what he said came true and the ocean didn’t disappear..
I firmly believe that Breath of the Wild is set so far in the future, that none of the events of the different timelines apply anymore. The world has had so many iterations of the cycle that it has experienced all the events in one way or another. That explains why there is so many references to the other timelines. Rock Salt shows BoTW Hyrule was all underwater at one point. (Adult Era) Spectacle Rock's inclusion (Hero is Defeated) Arbiter's Grounds (Child Era) It feels like a soft-reboot in a way. When they made the Zelda timeline, it wasn't really concise and felt cobble together, as it was. My theory is that all new games going forward will be set after the events of Breath of the Wild, not necessarily in order of when they happen. That way stories can be built off of a previous titles without it feeling unnatural.
This is like the billionth video talking about the rock salt. The only new point brought to the table is that the canyon looks like a moat. But that moat is too small to drain the entire ocean, so that hardly has any bearing on anything.
HYPE QUESTION: which one are you more excited for, Breath of the Wild 2 or Age of Calamity?
I cannot choose
Botw 2 ofc more theory material
Don’t make me choose I’m excited for both 😭
Botw2 by far
Botw 2
Badlands Chugs drank it
I accept this.
I spoke to miyamoto and he said it’s canon good job dude
Yeah lmao
@@kyethepie1 when was this? I am miyamoto and I never remember that
@@riptide534 remember last month I came to your house and held you at gun point until you said it was 100% canon, those were good times. Sorry about that btw
I think it's the Dragons. I've been advocating for a "divine terraforming" theory for a while now. Look at the paths of the Dragons. Dinraal is forming that outside border, she Lowers her area. Naydra is making mountains she is raising up her area. And Farosh is making fresh water.
10000s of years have passed since the previous games of every timeline. 10000s of years we know nothing about on every timeline. Just because a flood happened in the adult timeline at a time we know of, it does not mean that a flood did not happen in other timelines at a time we don't know of.
More than 10000 actually, 10000 years ago is simply the first appearance of the Divine beast and Guardians that helped that version of link and zelda fight Calamity Ganon. But events that lead up to that moment are still unknown. We don't actually know how big the gap in time is between the previous game and the creation of the divine beast.
@@5h0ckblock Notice the "s" behind the number? That typically signifies multiple.
5h0ckblock That’s what I tried explaining to people. That Link is one of the “unknown Link’s” in the series. Anything could have happened in the span of 10,000 years.
exactly, when you think about it, nintendo was actually very smart to put the events of the Great Calamity 10,000 years before the events of the game, because it's not even stated that that was the first appearance of the calamity. by 10,000 years ago, the name ganondorf and the person he is wasn't even acknowledged, instead his influence was perceived as this apocalyptic force of nature, calamity ganon. because of this, we can infer that the closest game chronologically to botw is likely THOUSANDS of years BEFORE that great battle with the calamity, hence why the distinction of the 3 timelines is negligible. so basically this means the flood theory doesn't place the game solidly in the adult timeline. SO MUCH can happen in 10000+++ years. I mean 10000+++ years ago on earth humans were still making the transition from hunting-gathering to farming. a huge flood and subsequent draining in the span of time before calamity 10000 years ago isn't that unlikely.
notalexus Why are you placing thing 10k+ years and not within the 10k years?
Legit, all timeliness are connected. Thats the whole point of breath of the wild. It takes place so far after after all other timelines, that they have somehow merged back into a single timeline. Now wouldn't THAT be a great prequel premise.
I think there's a theory somewhere that actually, Hyrule warriors 1 is Canon and takes place before the events of botw. The map is very identical in both games and there's more similarities.
@@-breakdancepopcorn-498 that's actually a Game Theory Video
Exactly. I never understood why there was confusion about this, if there are elements of each timeline in the game then it takes place in all 3, or rather the single timeline that resulted after they were rejoined.
@@Aeyrgran doesn't really make sense
No one seems to notice that breath of the wild isn't 10,000 years after the last games-it's actually much further. By the time the events of 10,000 years ago took place, the current castle had replaced the old one on the great plateau, which had been moved up at some point, the sheikah had gone from a tiny group of people to an upper class of scientists, and, if my own theories are correct, the champions replaced the sages over time and evolution of the hylian religion. I'd say that's even more centuries, to the point that it's ridiculous any of the ruins from the older games are anything more than dust.
"It got me thinking how much fun water is"
*Remembers* *the* *hours* *spent* *trying* *to* *complete* *the* *water* *and* *Great* *Bay* *Temple* . Yeah, real fun. Real fun.
Also, you know we want you to take us down the rabbit hole of Breath of the Wild Timeline placement theories.
great bay temple has to be the most annoying in the series
It’s been confirmed that it takes place in all timelines, it doesn’t unite them though, just happens in all timelines
@@PikiPoke It has actually been confirmed that BotW happened at the end of all three timelines, creating a new timeline of the three others joined into one
Sci-fi Gamer link?
@@PikiPoke I don't remember what or where, as it was a long time ago, but if I find it I'll post the link in here
If you look at the broken parts of the ruins in the Tabantha reaction, the texture looks a lot like limestone. Limestone is mined near the sea (I'm pretty sure the ancient Greeks used it to build temples on islands). If they had enough limestone to build whatever structures the ruins used to be, then at the very least there used to be a lot more water in or around hyrule than there is now
My timeline placement theory is during SS, Ghirahim travels through the gates of time, creating a new timeline. I think that that timeline is similar to the other splits (having it's own WW, oot, tp, you get the point) and at the end of it is BotW.
This without a doubt exists
That's sort of something that Arlo mentioned in the following video: th-cam.com/video/DgIdymgu0yo/w-d-xo.html
I really recommend watching the whole video.
Don't forget Hyrule Warriors, just for funsies
On a similar note, way back before we ever got Hyrule Historia or a semblance of an official timeline, I briefly toyed with the idea that the original Hyrule Fantasy and Adventure of Link took place in the Adult Timeline, Hyrule Fantasy's Hyrule being a drained Hyrule of The Wind Waker and Adventure of Link being the New Hyrule of Spirit Tracks. Didn't consider it for very long, but a content creator called Lancun and I kind of backed-and-forthed for a bit, intrigued with the possibility.
I remember Lancun! I used to finish his timeline theories like 12 years ago. That's what got me interested in the timeline.
@@CZsWorld Nice! He was such a great dude! Haven't heard from him in years; last I heard from him was when he enlisted for the US military.
you can actually find the Hyrule of the first game as a tiny portion of the Adventures of Link map. it's not super obvious but a ton of features lined up perfectly.
MY TIME HAS COME.
Wall of text warning, you have been warned.
So, Breath of the Wild exists, from what I hear according to the devs, at the end of the "inevitable" timeline. If anyone here is familiar with Steins Gate, I won't get too deep into it, there is a concept that some events, no matter the events that precede them, are inevitable. Let's put a pin in that.
We also know that Nintendo has toyed with the idea of time periods converging due to some kind of rift event.
Way way back in 2012, I had the idea for a Zelda story set in the future, except it existed in a timeline where an entity ripped open space and time to converge with itself and destroy all timelines, but in doing so allowed heroes from multiple timelines to meet the converged entity with even more opposition. Furthermore, the effects of this entity's meddling with time were irreparable, meaning that all of the pasts of the different timelines happened simultaneously and were all factual in this new convergent timeline.
In 2013/2014, Hyrule Warriors was announced for the Wii U. I saw parallels with my own fan story in its construction, so I went on Miiverse to predict the plot of the game. Come September, it turned out I was *mostly* right.
So, fast forward to 2017. Breath of the Wild is released. We find rock salt, koroks, lynels, yellow stripes, mentions of Twilight and other events from all across the series and all timelines. Everyone is scrambling, "Where is it placed?" I know the truth. Which timeline is it in? The answer is D: all of the above. Breath of the Wild is the inevitable point for all points in the timelines. As such, certain events must have occurred at points in the other timelines which forced them to come back to the convergent point, meaning that a flood occurred after the adult and fallen timelines, the Sheikah at some point became the most technologically advanced people in the world in all timelines - which we already see evidence of as early as Ocarina of Time with the windmill and many moving contraptions in the Shadow Temple, and the Zora became a civilized people in the Downfall timeline, something we actually see evidence of in A Link Between Worlds.
Genius. I like you.
i agree with this 100%
I too believe in a re unified time line theory i think it makes the most sense
Finally someone who shares my theory! At least for a significant part. I've commented on this video with said theory, so please give it a read if you'd like.
Man this dude got big brain thoughts
Now now MNB, we all know this is undeniably another symptom of the inevitable timeline merge placement. Just kidding(kinda), good video! I know someday we'll figure out BotW.
We can always go the Rick and Morty route and assume every TLOZ takes place in a different universe than the rest. I'm pretty sure that is how Nintendo see things anyway.
I still believe it's a unified timeline, at some point all the timelines converged. Or it's somehow a new timeline and everything else in it is easter eggs to previous titles. *shrug*
I don't think a unified timeline is even possible. It's just too confusing since this unified timeline would have 3 different histories, and 3 Triforces. 3 Triforces would be an overabundance of power that would destroy the world.
@@elitegamer9310 Yeah, I agree. I think it's just the "some events will eventually happen again (or in this case, another timeline)" situation. Somehow, Rito came to be in another timeline, or since the Great Sea might have resided, the goddesses saw no reason to bound the Rito to the air any longer, so split them into the Rito AND Zora. Also, the Temple of Tiem could have been remade, and Lynels are creations of Ganon, like the Bokoblins. You can tell by the eyes and the silver enemies, which are specifically stated to be creations of Ganon.
I agree with this, but it's literally like the only thing I can think about the Timeline. But another timeline also fits in some regards, considering all the Time Traveling in Skyward Sword, you'd think there is another split way earlier in the Timeline. Who knows and I suspect Nintendo isn't going to tell us squat for a long time. Look how long it took to get the 'official' timeline Lol.
Yeah, I agree the previous commenters; a "unified timeline" is pretty much impossible, on a whole bunch of different levels. I think BotW is essentially a reboot to the Zelda timelines, taking place SOOO far ahead of any existing "Legends of Zelda" that all the stories from those timelines have become just that: stories, legends, myths. It's actually a pretty clever way of nodding back to previous content without being restricted by it (which...they could have avoided by just not publishing "official" timelines in the first place...).
@@elitegamer9310 It's perfectly possible. Ever read Worldbinder by David Farland? In it the protagonist is tricked into binding his world with one where humanity is almost extinct because of a race called the Wyrmlings. They are different worlds with different histories, yet it works in that story. Anyone who exist in both worlds are merged with their counterparts, so there wouldn't even have to be three Triforces. That does have some unforeseen consequences, as some of the Wyrmlings start to develop a conscience. As for the different histories, let me ask you a rhetorical question. How many versions of the King Arthur legend exists?
Having gotten into content creation recently I've noticed your editing is top notch man. Like it's so amazingly put together, all the little zooms or transitions with such tiny and subtle but so important noises to make it come across naturally must take a lot of thought. Good video~
The gods forgot why they flooded Hyrule and decided to deflood it
They forgot the water bill and now the toilet doesn't work!
“Expose Hyrule to the sun”... it... actually kinda makes sense. I just am annoyed with how Ganondorf is “killed” in WW and TP yet still exists in the BotW 2 reality... there’s gonna be new info revealed (or just completely retconned lol) so it’s not impossible, it just is annoying sometimes XD
Actually where the hand is pressed against him, is the stab wound.
Though Ganon more than Zelda and Link has appeared in the same incarnation numerous times, the Spirit of Demise can reincarnate into new similar forms, as is seen in Four Swords Adventures when a new Ganondorf is born into the Gerudo tribe.
in windwaker he is't killed but sealed forever due to the master sword being left in his head to keep him contained knowing that the sword can weaken without having sages or prayers to the goddesses its possible that over time the sword would lose its power and ganondorf would return. In TP his body is killed but not destroyed and we know from other zelda games that his body can be revived with dark magic and even his soul could be restored as well per the witches twin rova which could be something that happens down the road in that timeline.
Due to demise's curse ganon will return always
He could’ve been revived, something other ganons fail to do *cough cough* downfall timeline Zelda two ganon.
It takes place at the end of all timeliness. I feel like in future games there's going to be events linking certain timeliness together. I mean they kinda did it in hyrule warriors (yes i know its not canon). Think of it as a spider web, though it may branch out it still has a strong start(skyward) and a anchor end peice where multiple threads come together(BoTW) .
As for what fills in the middle and how big the web is, that all just depends on the limitations of the spider.
The easiest explaination in my mind for the placement is, what The Elder Scrolls calls, a Dragon Break with some event reunifying the timelines.
Well how would that work since the child and adult timelines are pretty different and the downfall is an alternative reality
You get salt all over the map because over a geological timescale pretty much everywhere is covered in ocean at some point. They come and go as do mountains. It doesn't need to be all at once to deposit salt.
It's the MOON. Ganondorf's first action was to send his malice to the moon, drawing it closer like Skullkid had done. Its gravity caused the land to rise. This is the most physically natural and plausible explanation.
Think about it. Seas can't drain. By definition, they occupy basins. They are the lowest point already. The only way for submerged land to dry, is for the land to RISE.
Thats a wild yet extremely plausible and epic explanation
@@maichu6584 Look, I just want BoTW2 to go to the moon. XD
Halo 2 promised us we'd have missions defending Earth from moon bases, and they ended up not developing them. I've been salty and wanting ever since!
It would be epic of there was a moon dungeon where you got to fight a weaker, yet creepeir Majora
Yeah... Just a slight problem with that. Any changes to the moon would cause the SEA to rise not the land. In fact it happens all the time and we call it the tide. Now in theory you could have a situation where the moon becomes 'tidaly locked' and causes permanent high tides on one side of the planet and low tides on the other. The problem is, the side with the low tides would never see the moon. We see the moon all the time in BOTW so that is out.
@@patrickb8134 You've hit exactly on why it IS INDEED possible. For a period of time, there would be monstrous tides. Hyrule would re-surface, only to be repeatedly swallowed by tides. The thing is, the land would not relax afterwards - it's stone, not water. Magma solidifies, but the seas do not. If the moon's orbit changed again afterwards, the land would remain raised. The tides, however, would go back to normal.
In fact, this could possibly be accomplished by making the moon's orbit much more eccentric. Each pass could raise the land significantly, but the tides would go back to small and stay that way for a while. After that, a circularization of its orbit would put things back to normal - but the land would remain.
I have had this theory for a while now, not because of the salt but because of the great plateau, I am most likely incorrect but I have had a feeling that the great plateau was actually new hyrule, this video only makes me feel more strongly about this.
I had that idea too in this video! The majority of hills and mountains are pretty far away from the great platau. It could work
That’s an interesting theory
and is it just me, or does the event described in the opening of wind waker sound exactly like the calamity?
The first calamity? Imo not really since thats the one the devine beasts were originally built and used for, before being buried.
@@MegaVirus700 not the first calamity from 10000 years before BOTW, no. a calamity that hyrule was totally unprepared for
The sea described in Breath of the Wild could also be the ancient sea from Skyward Sword in the Lanayru region.
Doesn't it need a timeshift stone for it to work?
*That theory has always seemed off to me since sea salt can be found all over the map, not just the Lanayru region--
@@Y1kers No it does not, the Lanayru sea exists without timeshift stones just not in the time of skyward sword
@@field5758 if that's the case then wouldn't the rock salt be only in me Lanaryu Region?
Exactly, it's a volcanic continent. Therefore it rises from the ocean.
1:14 Does anybody else see "NOPE" at the bottom of that?
I saw it too!
I love these adult timeline-placed theories. They make so much more sense than anything else, especially when you add the Zora monuments into the equation
Same they’re the most interesting theories imo
"They make the most sense" the gerudo are all dead, Hyrule doesnt exist, the master sword is lost at the bottom of an ocean, most people live in a new hyrule, the zora are extinct, the goron are on the verge of extinction, botw has more lins to the child and downfall timelines but yeah it makes the most sense
@@ontos8914 Nobody knows what happened to the Gerudo, Zora, and Gorons. Just because they aren't present in Wind Waker, doesn't mean they didn't survive somehow. And with a gap in time of well over 10,000 years, it's entirely possible the Master Sword could have been recovered in some way.
Meanwhile the existence of the Rito is dependent on a circumstance that only happened in the Adult Timeline. There's no evidence that suggests they could or would evolve the same way 10k+ years later in the Child Timeline, and their evolutionary path is already different in the Downfall Timeline, as evidenced by the River Zora.
Any "links to the Child and Downfall Timelines" go about as far as: Lynels are in the game, and Zelda said the word Twilight.
Wind Waker literally had a sidequest for this...
watering the withered Deku Trees...
In Ocarina Of Time, there is no highland in or around Kokiri Forest high enough to be above Wind Waker's Great Sea...
So clearly, The Great Deku Tree used his power to raise the Forest Haven up high enough to be above the water...
...imagine what 9 Great Deku Trees spread evenly throughout Hyrule could do...
Planting trees wouldn’t raise the land though
@@tjtribble. sure, not if they're just regular non-talking non-earth-spirit trees, but like I said, there was no land high enough around Kokiri Forest to be above the Great Sea, the only explanation is the Deku Tree raised the land above the sea.
If 1 Great Deku Tree can raise all the islands of the Forest Haven, what can 9 evenly spread throughout Hyrule do?
Ancient Skull Kid it could’ve just been a different Deku tree
@@tjtribble. lining up Wind Waker Dragon Roost with Ocarina of Time Death Mountain,
Forest Haven lines up with Kokiri Forest.
It was already explained that botw wasn't necessarily a "timeline reunification", but that the events that took place were an eventuality within reach respective timeline
I think BotW is connected to ALL timelines and something happened that made all of them meet into one.
*Caughs in (sadly not canon) Hyrule Warriors*
Coughs in matpat does not know much about what he talks about
@@markozofarr nahhhh hes an expert
It boggles me how theorists pointed out Nintendo saying it was the inevitable timeline, meaning all three branches end up with the same events but in different order, but still try to place BotW in a single timeline. The evidence for any of the three is going to be there because of this fact. Also, with a giant flood and 10,000+ years in the way, it's pretty likely that the old structures in the game were newer versions of the castle, ranch and such. It's only "old" to us because of, well, 10,000 years.
Has anyone talked about plate tectonics? The earth's continents has taken different shapes over the course of millions of years. What about an ice age that literally moved entire land masses. Especially since Gannon has not been seen for 10,000 years. So with the obvious tectonic activity with the volcano it could be possible that Hyrule just naturally shifted
The Earth is at most 10,000 years old. And I'm talking about our Earth. Scientists have zero idea on how to settle on a specific aging method for fossils and minerals. The Bible is technically the most accurate description of the world. There are many scientists who, after actually opening their eyes to the fact that evolution is the most foolish theory ever conceived, believe the Bible from a scientifically standpoint, not necessarily faith-wise.
@@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143 carbon dating exists...
@@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143 why are you talking BS? Like Kuroto said, carbon dating exists.
Brayden TheDestinedShield so you’re saying the very fictional sounding tales of the Bible are true? Like what all aspects of the Bible do scientists believe to be true ?
Why do so many people spell it as "Gannon"? That's not his name! It's just a mistranslation in the original game, his real name is "Ganon". [Over-exaggerated, obviously ;-)]
My personal head canon for the breath of the wild timeline placement is that the timelines merged sometime before the beginning of the series
There’s enough evidence to support this as items and creatures from all three timelines show up in breath of the wild
I believe breath of the wild takes place in a new timeline that I'm going to call the "Inevitable Timeline". In other words, no matter which timeline you follow, after sooooo many years have passed inevitable events transpire that not only eventually lead up to BOTW, but other games as well. For example...say your following the windwaker timeline, and a few thousand years after spirit tracks the water levels of hyrule is for whatever reason lowered. Maybe it was wished back to normal, maybe Ganondorf woke up and used magic, or maybe even a water dragon controlled the flow who know. Or hell maybe hyrule itself was moved somewhere else. The people who are descendants of the people from spirit tracks are still exploring new lands and eventually find their way back to og hyrule. After settling in events transpire to create a scenario SIMILAR to twilight princess. Its different from how we the player knows these events but there's enough similarities to this alternate story that the main key elements still happen such as the mirror breaking and Ganondorfs defeat. This begins a chain of events that continues to recreate alternative versions of each legend until eventually the time reaches BOTW as we know it.
On the flip side if you follow Twilight Princess timeline, perhaps Ganondorf didn't actually die there either and everyone just assumed he died. Eventually he wakes up and either Link and Zelda are too old and frail to stop him or they haven't been born yet etc. This leads to there being no one left to stop him and this leads to events that are either similar to downfall or similar to adult. and once again creates an inevitability where the time eventually becomes what we know to be BOTW.
This theory is further supported by the fact that Ganon in BOTW is meant to be seen as a force of nature. As we all know when it comes to actual forces of nature its never a question of IF they will happen....its a question of WHEN. Disasters always happen EVENTUALLY.
I think the funniest part of all this is that if BOTW is truly the inevitable Nexus of the three timelines, Age of Calamity (which is canon) creates a new alternative timeline right away lol
You dont really need an explanation for Ganonforf surviving on the Twilight Princess timeline as he has the power of reincarnation as Link and Zelda anyway so him dying means nothing actually
@@XXXKaruXXX Actually, unlike Link and Zelda, every Ganondorf (prior to tears of the kingdom) had been literally the same Ganondorf/Ganon. For one reason or another, whether its from being sealed or just being in possession of the triforce, something keeps him from aging. There hasn't been a single instance of him actually reincarnating. Not that it matters since tears changes literally everything.
@@5h0ckblock 4 swords Ganondorf is a reincarnation..
@@5h0ckblock and the one from tears past is probably too
People are still talking about Botws timeline placement and it really confuses me. Wasn't it already confirmed ages ago that it happens at the end of all three timelines? Why are people stilling going on like "Its in the Child Timeline!" "No! It's in the Adult Timeline" "Actually, it's in the Fallen Timeline!" when we already know it's in ALL TIMELINES and not just one? Just really confused about that.
I think the Great Plateau is essentially Castle Town from OoT (temple of time is there, the area leading up to the castle is there, surrounded by walls) and the location of the the new castle is New Castle Town from Spirit Tracks. They used to be separated by the sea, but the sea dried up.
There are still references to people and places from other timelines because these things still exist in the adult timeline. There still is an Arbiters Ground even around the time of OoT. Darmani still was born in every timeline even if he only meets the Hero of Time in the child timeline.
I hold fast to two major theories:
* 1: There is no "The Hero Lost" timeline (which would actually be an alternate reality/universe, not a different timeline, as the timelines require Link to have lived). Rather, there are three timelines: the Child Timeline (where Link was sent back to and was able to divert the future path by revealing Ganon's plans); the Adult Timeline (where Ganon took over the world but was then beaten by Link); and the Abandoned Timeline (the intervening period that continued along its own path where Link hadn't awakened and was stuck within the Sacred Realm). The first two timelines are obvious, but the third is more hidden, as it takes place in the intervening years between Link's back-n-forth time travel, which a time which Link never showed up in and thus was never around to affect. It is the timeline between the two others.
* 2: Hyrule Warriors is cannon and serves as the merging of the three timelines, which is why creatures and events from all the timelines are known in Breath of the Wild (as, by the theory, Breath of the Wild takes place after the Hyrule Warriors game[s]).
1st Theory: What about the Fallen Timeline?
2nd Theory: Nintendo said, that this HW isn't canon.
@@Borgdrohne13
* 1st Theory: The Fallen Timeline is the "The Hero Lost" timeline that Nintendo made up (which can be called such because it can't be a separate timeline if it requires Link's death; that would invalidate the Child & Adult timelines unless the Fallen/Hero Lost timeline is its own separate universe/reality). Ultimately, one could say it's a semantic issue, as the games within the timeline remain unchanged regardless of what you call it - only difference between the "Abandoned Timeline" and "Fallen Timeline" is whether or not it can exist as a separate timeline from the Child & Adult timelines (Abandoned timeline can be a separate timeline from the Child/Adult timelines, the Fallen timeline can't).
* 2nd Theory: Given my above explanation about the timeline issue Nintendo created, as well as how they also claimed a few years back that the original Legend of Zelda games were non-canon before recanting not long after, I don't give their voice any weight when it comes to which "legends" are canon or not-canon. Especially when something they claim isn't canon fits perfectly into the canon without contradicting anything (as the original Hyrule Warriors does - no contradictions, and the time sorceress that serves as the main bad guy is also the perfect explanation for how & why the timelines seem to have merged at some point).
Could the flood have hidden the leviathans seen in breath of the wild. And when the water receded they became stuck then passed away?
I need a prequel dlc where hyrule (botw) is flooded with these leviathan.
I mean, the adult timeline is the only other with high technology with the trains in spirit tracks.
Haha, I felt that NOPE at that shot of the water. I once played a game where you could be an orca or shark in the ocean and oh my god the open expanse of NOTHING until it's Right There is terrifying.
From what I understood in WW, the Great Sea was a DEAD sea. It had people that adapted to it, but it was fishless, and almost too calm and serene on a nice day. It was as if the Great Sea's nature of being created by the gods to bury Hyrule left it in a frozen stasis to serve the sold purpose of keeping the people on the islands away from the danger still lurking in the kingdom.
I can see the full flooding of the kingdom at the end of WW 'freeing' the sea from this very stasis, allowing it to ebb and flow with proper currents, storms, and eventually dry up if it did remain too still and calm. I like to think the 'Dunno' ending choice in Spirit Tracks has Link go on a pilgrimage and eventually rediscover old Hyrule in some fashion and trigger an eventual return to the true kingdom.
it's all the small jokes and edits that make your theories great and entertaining
Didn’t Nintendo confirm that breath of the wild is at the end of all time lines?
But how would that work
@@VisorByte It would not, Nintendo just doesn't care.
nintendo actually just separated it altogether iirc so that all the old games take place in the vague "era of myth" where it is unclear which ones happened and which ones didnt in relation to the new games for which they literally drew a line and placed separately
@@Envy_May Era of myth?
@@heinrichvonschnitzel8600 that's how they labelled it
There is a picture online that syncs up the botw map with zelda 2's overworld map. It also explains why spectacle rock is where it is. The ancient sea could be the same sea in zelda 2 that you take the raft/boat across, but dried up due to the new death mountain. Its actually pretty interesting.
The salt can be from multiple smaller areas, that some time in the past was underwater, but no longer is. It does not have to be at the same time all at once; yes the description sais an ancient sea, but that can be a smaller local ancient sea.
The odds of there being individual seas all over hyrule that all drained up is astronomically small, even over 10000+ years. While land on earth moves around over time, most of the land that’s above the water usually stays above the water. It is possible in the Zelda universe, but it couldn’t have been caused naturally. And imo it’s much more likely that it was just The Great Sea, rather than different people manipulating the land to create seas in every location at different periods of time.
@@tjtribble. bruh the Earth is literly "eating" itself (tectonic plates get pushed under other ones and slowly "sink" deeper into the mantle) and you say land can't sink underwater. Also ever heard about the sea rising, and saltwater lakes drying up? Mini-ice ages? Global warming? And the fact that the opposite (global cooling) also is a common event? If you've ever seen a "timelapse of the Earth" video, especially one with a prediction of the future, you'd say otherwise. (Sorry if I came over rude, didn't mean to.)
@@tjtribble. well considering the geography of hyrule shifts like every 100 years and the zelda timeline takes place over about 100,000 years its say its fairly possible
There's also the existence of Leviathan remains which are very clearly aquatic animals, existing on land.
4:23 Well technically the Twilight incident with the banished tribe is a “constant” in the background of every timeline. As for whether or not they still hold influence later on varies. One could argue that the “ninjas” who plague Ikhana Valley in Termina are an alternate world’s version of the tribe who had succeeded, whereas the Twili had failed and were banished. Even Zant, the usurper, has a fighting style which almost mirrors the tribe leader’s dual scimitar fighting style. We do know the presence of other worlds linked together is canon.
Unless Hyrule is in a very deep vale, it actually flooded the WHOLEWORLD to get a sea that high...
I always thought botw unified all three timelines ending the split. And through whatever method unified explains why references are found from all three timelines
Maybe some sorth of time travel united the three timelines? I commented that a long time ago I saw in an event of gacha movile game who two timelines were created an existed at the same time, and the protagonist of that event felt how thoes timelines were constantly overlaping with each other. At the end of that day (those timelines existed only for a day) both ended up merging togehter for some reason, and it was revealed that one of the protagonist friend's accidentally created an alternative timeline (with some sorth of time powers)to prevent a catastrophe, but somehow the different stories that happen in both timelines ended up happening, just as if there were only one timeline, maybe because of the powers of the protagonist's friend who caused those timelines to exist.
Hyrule Warriors is what ended the split (remember that the antagonist of that game is a time wizard who messes with the timeline specifically to try and get with Link).
@@DBArtsCreators but for what we now Hyrule Warriors is not canon. I'm hoping at least Age of Calamity (who is canon) could make something like HW and explain or get some lore about the timelines.
DBArtsCreators isn’t warriors technically non canon?
@@davids4719
Considering how Nintendo doesn't have a working explanation and has also said half the games in the abandoned timeline are also non-canon at various times (then retracted the statements), I'm willing to ignore the technicality since the game itself doesn't actually contradict anything in any of the games.
I think the hole the Gerudo Tower is sitting in has something to do with the drainage of Hyrule, and the massive chasm is where Hyrule was cut from the main land and sunk beneath the waves. I mean, look how high up the land surrounding Hyrule sits. If Ganon was responsible, I believe the massive loss of ocean was what gave him his title of CALAMATY Ganon.
Show of hands, people, for those who have played ANY version of the Wind Waker, who here, even once, has held their breath during the cutscene where Toon Link is sinking below the waves to Hyrule?
✋…Every time I play it, too.
Literally every time
I've tried playing an emulator version a couple of times, but have never gotten that far... the problem with using a laptop for these things @~@
Well, Tetra and Link did find somewhere according to Spirit Tracks. It's possible it slowly drained as years went by, then they moved back.
Edit: I wrote this in the beginning.
Don’t remember where it was, but I remember seeing a theory that someone for some reason wished on the Triforce to merge the timelines together. How this person knew in the first place there were separate timelines I’m not sure of...
What do you think?
This video confirms my personal theory. It's wind waker ganon that we are dealing with. I had this battle with people in the comments between mnb and zeltiks comment sections.
What if the reason Hyrule was drained was because someone got all the pieces of the triforce and made a wish to bring it back. Really unlikely, but just a thought.
I mean, the Triforce is present still, so it shouldn't be IMPOSSIBLE that someone just brought it back, for what reason we don't know, but it's a possible answer as to how a flooded Hyrule is well above the surface.
@@juanluis21monsanto98 divers maybe saw ruins of castle town or something. Possible reasoning
If it came to the triforce it would not even need to be deliberately risen it could be something along the lines of wishing for the treasures at the bottom of the sea and that brings the land back as the land itself could be considered a treasure or any other of the dangers with things grating wishes with no way to judge the outcome
@@kretisme true
I really like this theory, and i never really thought about the massive chasm around Hyrule that way until you mentioned it. My only objection to this that (As far as we know based on information that has been given to us) Ganondorf from WW *died* died. I say this because Malladus is obviously a spawn of Demises Curse of Hatred, and as far as we know, there can only be one spawn at a time.
HOWEVER That is just a theory based on things we know as players.
DOUBLE HOWEVER We don't know if the Curse can resurrect an old vessil
Gotta disagree entirely. Hyrule is a volcanic continent. Those rise from the sea, therefore everywhere from Death Mountain down can have rock salt.
You're making a logical error in thinking what we only see in one branch can't exist in another. There's no reason all timelines can't have Lynels, Koroks, Rito and intelligent Zora. What defines BotW's placement is it's recorded history.
Finally, and most damningly, King Daphnes wished to erase Hyrule and Ganondorf. Neither are coming back in the AT. BotW doesn't follow all timelines, it can fit on one just fine.
A lot of people tend to conveniently "forget" that.
I am SO HAPPY to be seeing someone else say this, I thought I was alone lol
This is such an intelligent argument. Honestly, I'm rooting for child timeline just because I love twilight princess but I still think it's the adult cause ruto is mentioned
@@andresbarquin Cheers! I'm personally fine with CT or DT, but lean DT based on HH narrative. If we use it for the timeline, we kind of need to accept its explanations.
@@stuffz1757 That's actually such another good point and I have no idea why I didn't think about that before lols. Honestly then, it would have to be child timeline. How else would ganondorf be there? He turned into beast ganon at the end of the downfall and stayed that way all the way through downfall. Perhaps child link became a historian and included information from what he did as the hero for when he helped ruto become a sage. OR because he was forgotten actually. TP Link kept visiting the heros shade and passed on his legacy that way.
I like how ganondorf is taking a swim in the thumbnail
Oh. My. Goddess. You missed the ancient sea that’s present in all 3 timelines: the LANAYRU SAND SEA!THATS how there can be rock salt all over Hyrule!
Edit: that doesn’t explain why rock salt can b found literally everywhere.
That was only in the Lanayru/Gerudo region and wouldn't explain the salt found on mountain tops, MNB even mentions it in the video at 4:50.
Andreas Hyrule’s geography is notoriously wonky. Plus, I’d believe it if someone deliberately moved the rock salt all over Hyrule for no reason, but that’s wierd even by Zelda standards. Remember, it’s been 10,000 since any previous Zelda game, plenty of time for the rock salt to be moved around by choice or by commerce or by weird pseudo-geological forces. But you’re right, making it an Adult Timeline game would fix that, but it would still have to be able to exist in any timeline.
How could a bunch of sand leave salt everywhere?
@@jackwalker6236 It used to be water, as seen with the timeshift stones, but that still doesn't explain all the salt in other areas of Hyrule.
Jack Walker we’ve got to come up with an explanation for rock salt that works for all 3 timelines. Maybe BOTW is in the Adult Timeline. I wanted to make it work in the other timelines. You’re absolutely right, the rock salts being everywhere makes no sense, but it’s clearly the same Hyrule as non-WW games. Hyrule Castle, Lon Lon Ranch, the Temple of Time, none of them could’ve survived centuries at Davy Jones’ Locker (WW’s Castle was very different from Botw’s, and it was reclaimed by the sea anyway at the end of WW). It’s clear from the everything about it that BOTW is a return to fun-first, story-whatever game design that inspired Zelda 1, so what does it really matter? But you’re still right about the rock salt.
The only reason I understood your joke “ de-Nial” is because I’m learning about the Nile river
Under 10 minute video? Bro
Respect, but also, do you know how yt algorithms work? Lol
The algorithms have changed to allow for 8 minute videos I believe, Alpharad tweeted about it
youtube actually did something beneficial for once so now you can get midrolls and algorithm recognition if it’s over 8 minutes long.
Everybody forgets that in adventure of Link, there was also an enormous ocean.
I mean, Nintendo wasn't vague about making it such a far removed entity that it's universe existed so long that it had a flood- but not the wind waker flood- that there was a hero of time, but probably not -that- hero of time, and so on.
It's a weak answer, but it's not really their fault that they got harassed into trying to cram a bunch of disconnected stories together.
To be clear, I enjoy theory crafting- I enjoy it a lot. I don't want to give the impression I don't, but trying to wedge BotW into places it blatantly doesn't belong isn't really going to get anyone where, because there's always going to be a "yeah, but.."
Hyrule Warriors already serves as an easy explanation of how the timelines' unique characters and events are all showing up and getting referenced in BotW.
@@DBArtsCreators I hadn't considered that, but you arent wrong.
At first I would have rebutted by saying, "Well, can you explain why cacti are in an "Arabian/Egyptian" sand-filled desert? Cacti are only found in North American rocky deserts with thin layers of sand." But the text clearly says "Ancient Sea," and the ridge against Death Mountain does make it more believable. Good job, I never noticed or picked up on this.
If you consider Hyrule Warriors canon (which Nintendo claims isn’t canon), it actually explains how so many timelines can be mixed together.
How? Wasn't everything reverses after the campaign?
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To me botw can ONLY be placed in the adult timeline. People saying "what about the mention of the twilight" arnt thinking it through, remember the twilight realm exists in ALL timelines, but just the events of zants invasion only happened in the child timeline. Ganondorf was captured before his attack in oot and thrown into the twilight realm, meaning the mirror of twilight existed DURING oot and the royal family almost certainly knew about this. Just cus zelda mentions the twilight realm, doesnt mean it MUST be in the child line, it also exists in the adult line and infact all timelines as it existed during oot
Similarly i dont buy the whole "these monsters show up which are only from the downfall line" either. Just cus you dont fight a particular monster in another game, doesnt mean that species doesnt exist somewhere, you just dont happen to encounter them. You dont even fight bokoblins or chuchu's in ocarina of time, does that mean they dont exist at all during that time? No ofcourse not. Honestly trying to say lynels and hinox's are proof its the downfall timeline is fairly poor reasoning to me with little foothold to speak of
Only the adult timeline has solid evidence which puts it into ONLY this timeline. The mention of the ancient sea and the salt it left over is obviously the biggest piece of evidence, the flood and great sea only ever happened in 1 timeline. Further more the existence of the rito and koroks are further evidence which lock it into just the adult line, as these species only came to be after evolving due to life after the great flood
I really dont get why people keep saying its in all timelines when the evidence is pretty clear. Sure it references things from other games in other timelines, but said things also exist in all timelines. Its only the adult line which shows evidence unique to 1 timeline
So why did the Rito and Zora co-exist then? I thought Rito evolved from Zora.
@@1993Southparkfan we could say it happens before the flood.
Here's a theory for you what if Ganon had found out about the existence of all three timelines and use the Triforce of Power to merge them back into one timeline combining himself from all three timelines giving him the malleus to become Calamity Ganon
While I understand your line of thought there's one simple thing that makes this just not work. The fact that the ruins of structures from Ocarina of Time still exist (castle town and lon lon ranch). After being under for that long of a period of time they should be gone entirely. You could say that they were rebuilt but how could they be rebuilt in the exact same way without a reference.
As for the Rito and Koroks. The Great Deku Tree just turned the Kokiri into Koroks in the adult timeline, what says this can't happen in other timelines. The Rito in Breath of the Wild look very different from those in the Wind Waker making me think they may have different origins. But even if they have the same origin of evolving from Zora what says this couldn't happen in another timeline where they end up coexisting. Also, the Gerudo only show up in the child timeline and the Zora do not appear in the adult timeline making this a sort of hypocritical point.
As for salt idk that ones still a mystery to me.
The Zora not turning up in the Adult Timeline could be that they are a fresh water species and couldn't survive in salt water. Forcing the evolutionary change to birds for the ones trapped on top dragons roost surrounded by salt water oceans.
@@MrMartin27 I have never liked the Rito from The Wind Waker! My main point of contention is with the fact that whoever or whatever they are, they are regular humanoids until they received a gift of a scale from a dragon spirit/deity. Shouldn't they have been transformed into something more akin to the dragon creature!?!
@@Rodimus75 does link turn into a fish man after getting the silver scale in OoT?
personally, i think that hyrule warriors brings together all the time lines because you can’t have both the lobster tee and majoras mask in the same timeline
I mean, Majora's Mask technically predates even OoT... it was simply uncovered around that time, leading to the events of MM in the child timeline.
The way wind waker ended actually makes the adult timeline the least likely place for botw to be placed imo
Didn't the land Spirit Tracks have get called "New Hyrule"
The fact Tetra named the kingdom that ment that The king's wish got countered.
If theres a "New" Hyrule.. what happened to the old one?
It failed to be forgotten forever
@@anotterwithaphone3077 his wish wasn't really countered. He just wish for hyrule to be fully washed away as in completely flood the place. Even if old hyrule wasn't forgotten about the land along with the master sword are permanently under an ocean
@@AstralComposition
Maybe not permanently.
The master sword maybe had a diver find it exploring old Hyrule.
Just spitballing really.. honestly I think it's either the child timeline..
Or.. an inevitable timeline.
I personally like to think Hyrule Warriors was Cannon and Cia and Leia's (was that her name) actions resulted in a convergence event of all three timelines resulting In Breath of the Wild.
@@anotterwithaphone3077 yeah I feel like Nintendo will either say child timeline or an inevitable one as well. I feel like it would be pretty interesting if hyrule warriors was canon if Nintendo could make it work it'd be pretty... well interesting lol
so the theory is that hyrule warriors was what brought all the timelines together because the whole universe crossing going on in that game, so that explains why it has things from all timelines
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Theory: another timeline split, but this time Ganondorf succeeds in draining Hyrule in the wind waker leading to the Wild timeline branch.
Two ideas: 1) Maybe the timeline split was just a really long Dragon Break and BotW is in the Hyrule that came to be after all the contradictory events reconciled. 2) A cool idea for a future Zelda game would be moving between the timelines (a la ALttP and ALBW) and reunifying them at the end.
For some reason, when I first played Twilight Princess, I somehow convinced myself that the events of that story was leading up to the great flood.
So, you can imagine the feeling of dread I experienced when it started raining during the endgame.
It’s a ridiculous notion, I know, but still. It’s just something that happened back when I first played it.
Also, I think making Hyrule Warriors canon would totally solve the BotW timeline issue because it would just mean that this new Hyrule is on a new converged timeline. 😋👍🏻
In Windwaker, the Koroks mission was to unite all the islands again by expanding the forests on each one. After a few milenium Old Hyrule became fused once more and then the timelines did the same.
In terms of timeline my belief is that it takes place so far down the timeline that the events of all three have all happened in whichever one it is
7:09 Can this be climbed?
The Goddesses flooded Hyrule and a barrier was placed over the top creating a sort of artificial ocean floor. So Hyrule wasn't permanently flooded it was mostly preserved under a magic barrier which the king in Windwaker removed, the ocean water was then basically just dropped onto Hyrule along with all of the salt and various other materials the had gathered on top of the barrier. It probably only would've taken a few centuries for the water covering Hyrule to evaporate, be soaked up by the Gerudo Desert, or fall through under caves and catacombs that would've opened from Earthquakes/sinkholes/the water initially crashing down/creation of the sheikah's underground hero training
I figure it's at the end of all time lines because of the Zora, Rito, Lynels, Gold Band hat, Linebeck and Mercay Islands, and somewhere out in the sea there is an island called New Hyrule brimming with train tracks.
I have a wild theory that follows this logic. I think there will be time travel to the original ancient legend using the Temple of Time/Skyward Sword technology and will have two entire maps like past games. I would rather go to Holodrum but hey. WW Ganondorf was humbled in his defeat and seeing this eternal struggle tried to cast off Ganon, and sealed himself. He actually became a hero to Hyrule, forgotten by time. This version of Ganondorf is a shady ally, but his future self is lost to corruption.
I always theorized that botw is what happens when Ganon’s wish comes true in ww, since there’s every tribe and there’s still salt everywhere
I've been wondering why no one had talked about the massive gorge around the western and northern borders of Hyrule. I keep trying to explore bits of it, but there's only so much you can do without plummeting to your death.
Indeed it is very mysterious and it almost feels like it holds a lot of secrets that would explain things from the past.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING OUT THE CANYON AND THE LAND BRIDGE. For ages I thought I was the only one who'd spotted that. My current theory is that Hyrule is pulling away from the main continent, but it's a delight to see those brought up in a theory vid!
I came to the same conclusion that BotW is in the Adult Timeline. Mostly because of a few things. 1. Rito. These guys only are found out in one other game, wind Waker. Even though there are both Rito and Zora in BotW, there can be another explanation for that. Remember your old theory of MM just being a different part of the world? Well, Zora from there could have traveled to the old Hyrule. 2. Rock salt. As stated, there is salt EVERYWHERE, so it must have been covered by a lot of saltwater. That can’t just disappear, it needs to evaporate. Perhaps over the course of thousands of years it may have drained, or been restored by the goddesses. The carving of the “moats” is also a feasible option. 3. Lurelin village looks almost exactly like outset island. The difference is practically nonexistent, so there is either a huge Easter egg, or it is canon. 4. New Hyrule. There is a chance that over the years, the hylians may have gone back to the place where new Hyrule was. They could have dived down, grabbed a bunch of artifacts(Including the master sword), and remade old buildings in New Hyrule. Thousands of years pass between games, so this is quite possible. 5. The Zonai. (Last one, I promise) The Zonai are said to have come over the sea thousands of years before the time of BotW. These people could have been New Hyrulians, and could have remade Old Hyrule. Also, if they were working with the sheikah, they could have used teleport technology(see the switch theory) to raise up old Hyrule, or to teleport a new landmass there. Thank you for listening, and have a great day.
The Rito exist in the child timeline. In Twilight Princess there is the wall design that shows Hylians interacting with other races, one of which is the Rito. It was even shown in the vid
Arctic Dino That may have been a good point, if the 3D designer for that carving had kept canon. He just slapped together whatever he thought was cool. Check out one of Nintblks older videos.
Arctic Dino actually, scratch that, is was a Zeltic video
With the amount of rain in botw, the great sea maybe just... Dried, to explore the sky now as clouds
Woah I was just explaining the great flood of wind waker to my friend then I see this video! You and Zeltik have to be my all time favorite zelda theorists. Both of you have very soothing voices!
What if before the 10,000 years, there was some kind of event that brought all the timelines together? All of the worlds combine into one. I don't know if it's plausible but I think it'd be a pretty sick game. lol
It's not hard to figure out which timeline BotW takes place in, the answer is all of them. BotW is so far in OoT's future that all 3 timelines converged.
Maybe the evil forces at work hollowed out the land beneath Hyrule and they're living in a hollow earth style, ocean drained into the void situation 😆
Wow, this theory is amazing! I renewed my membership because it was so cool. Please theorize the timeline placement.
Obviously, it was the adult timeline, with a new hyrule with King Rauru. And the Triforce is gone (unless it's Zelda's hand), which it disappeared in Wind Waker. Wonderful video!!! 👍👍👍👍👏👏😁
Child timeline seems to be the most likely one, koroks can be explained due to evolution and many wars that happend against deku tree from ganon.
Rito can be similar explained: half of zoras wanted to seperate themselves from normal zoras, but due to things they evolved
You'd have to explain how Ganon got free of, oh you know, the Master Sword in his forehead making him solid rock.
People really underestimate the power of nature and time. 10,000 years is talked about in the game like its only 500. Us humans have only about 5,000 years worth of recorded history and so much in our world changes in the span of only a few years. Just compare the world now from 100 years ago. It's not unlikely that the sea just evaporated, or there was an ice age or something else. Besides its only been 10,000 years since the last Calamity Ganon was sealed, that means all kinds of civilisation was thriving before then anyway and who knows for how long. It could have easily been at least 30,000 years since Hyrule was under the sea.
After you beat the forbidden woods level in The Wind Waker, the great deku tree says “Forests hold great power, they can change one tiny island into a much larger land, soon, a day will come when all the islands are one, connected by earth and grove.” Maybe what he said came true and the ocean didn’t disappear..
Your videos are always so well made! My favorite zelda channel by far.
Love the comedy in this video, keep up the great work!
I firmly believe that Breath of the Wild is set so far in the future, that none of the events of the different timelines apply anymore. The world has had so many iterations of the cycle that it has experienced all the events in one way or another. That explains why there is so many references to the other timelines.
Rock Salt shows BoTW Hyrule was all underwater at one point. (Adult Era)
Spectacle Rock's inclusion (Hero is Defeated)
Arbiter's Grounds (Child Era)
It feels like a soft-reboot in a way. When they made the Zelda timeline, it wasn't really concise and felt cobble together, as it was.
My theory is that all new games going forward will be set after the events of Breath of the Wild, not necessarily in order of when they happen. That way stories can be built off of a previous titles without it feeling unnatural.
This is like the billionth video talking about the rock salt. The only new point brought to the table is that the canyon looks like a moat. But that moat is too small to drain the entire ocean, so that hardly has any bearing on anything.
The Rito could be a branch of Zora that evolved into the Rito in the Child Timeline and the Koroks are just another form of the Kokiri.
I always liked the idea of Warriors being part of the timeline leading up to Breath of the Wild
Someone complained about how your video has less than 10 min, BUT
A flood of good 10 content is better than a Hyrule flood.