When I was growing up in the ‘60’s, this was considered “science fiction”! Today, it’s “ science facts”! I honestly believe they’ve been doing this, far longer than this book! Great read and, narration!
I'm the same boat. Not only this but so much of the science fiction from the 60s seem to have come to fruition in the modern era. Generally not for the good. I hope you live a long and healthy life.
Reading books from back then I always have to say, “ Wait a min, hold up what year was this printed?” Are we going through a wheel of time perhaps? Is this Atlantis .
@@eazypeazy33 they just use the same methods of social manipulation so you keep seeing those patterns back. we dont realize due eto the information control, or rather misinformation.
They predicted we’d work less hours (3-4 in this book) because of technology, which is a logical conclusion, but unfortunately people are working more hours and harder than ever. I don’t think futurists in the 1950’s and 60’s accounted enough for some people’s greed, and how many yachts or private islands billionaires like Bezos or Zuckerberg would need in the year 2020 lol.
Same here all of a sudden FREE uninterrupted by adverts, science fiction (my favourite) stories! Why? Replacement for my ranting on YT of the mess the Oligarchs have put us in, perhaps? Or the opposite, someone wants us to have something for free as a gift, I’m not sure which. The algorithms are strong! It doesn’t stop me from fighting the crap through!
A "what if" story. And the author submerges you right in it. Great stuff. Crowds, being uncomfortable all of the time, keeping one's sanity, all good story telling.
I wish other "publishers" would take note of the information provided about this book and the way it is done. How hard can it be, I applaud "New Thinkable" for their format of providing basic info on the books. Thank you.
I prefer Chillly Sunshine’s information, which gives the names of those who originally read the parts. I like to find out all I can about those who gave the best performances, then I can find other works they were involved with.
Yea, I don't know. For some reason stories like this one do not seem to have aged well, and do not seem to be as relevant today. Its like watching something from 1950s/60s TV and I don't mean something cool like the Twilight Zone or Star Trek.
It aged poorly especially given North American birth rates were already falling even before the advent of the birth control pill ca. 1964/65. I'm perplexed why post-WWII mainstream science fiction authors never considered that humans (and in particular, women) would voluntarily decide to limit the number of children and their birth spacing. Perhaps birth control was too taboo a topic for editors to countenance such stories. However, the Malthusian vibes here help me understand the context that produced Ehrlich's _The Population Bomb_ or the film _Soylent Green_.
Only six billion people eh? It's kinda funny listening to this old sci-fi talking about completely running out of living space around 6,000,000,000 people... a number we passed over 10 years ago. still lots of open space.
+ReddmanDGZ Writers and artists help us conceive of a possible future, but they generally know how to predict an exact time for it. But we should consider that the earth is a closed system and the rate of consumption and population growth warrant serious concerns about limited resources sometime in the future.
Indeed, and I agree. I hate to get into it so much, but I'm of the opinion that population control is somewhat important, especially considering we need genetic modification of food crops to feed about 1/3 of the world at this point. I do not like to get into it so much because of the implications of eugenics.
I don't suppose most areas were flooded by the sea or irradiated by atomic bombs? We have more sprawl and gridlock than ever, and yet we still dismiss public transportation, underfunded, reduced, and underutilized. Texas is the worst, with some of the largest cities in the USA relying on bus systems, or at the very most, light rail.
I think the premise is good we need less people .... we have a couple of cultures outta control .... the dude talking about hundreds of miles of unpopulated land .... thank you we need more than that for our air and food ... and its becoming not enough
I've read that we could actually fit the entire population of earth in the state of Florida, and everyone would still have like 100 sq ft or so of space. In contrast to the whole earth, we have plenty of space to even double our population. Provided we manage it efficiently and we switch to greener fuels, etc etc.
I´m reading this book right now...problem we are facing is not space, but resources, when resources are gone we´ll gonna starve to death. No problem with that, I think it´s fair, we should be not so stupid to the point of overpopulate the single planet we have Only problem is, we are going to destro everything else during this process.
And to think that the Lemmings are smarter than us. When they overpopulate to the point where there's not gonna be enough to eat ....They commit suicide! And they're just rodents.
Resources won't run out they just change , trees regrow , gases collect and are stored in plants , soil , water , rocks etc over time resources get absorbed back into the earth and the earth churns out new resources . Certain species may disappear , even humans but the earth will go on and so will life for a very long time. Eventually we'll get absorbed by the sun or smashed to pieces in a collision with Andromeda.
The new jab going to solve all these problems ...wait until China releases the real virus . The one that the " vaccine" made people unable to fight off.
If it is any consolation, some population projections predict that _global_ population will shrink by the end of the 21st century. Most industrialized countries are already at that stage. And with a few exceptions (e.g., Afghanistan), birth rates have been falling for a few decades in most countries.
I struggled with this book , in every generation it was the weak back milk toast beta men who drove society & the human race into the ground , about half way through I realized the parable of what's taking place on the streets & in university all over america , the weakest scream the loudest , the most incapable demand a free easy life , the strong provide for all , yet the weak & incapable betas demand " their share " , the true way to solve these issues would have been for the strong to lead & weak to be made to grow strong of bone as well as mind .
Michael Ledford I'm going to use software terms to explain why your ubermensch bullshit will be a primitive way of thinking in 150 years.like it or not our society runs on what I will call an "operating system" . we are in civilization OS 1.9 .OS 1.9 is the final stage of the civilization we have had for at least since the Romans. civilization 2.0 is coming soon under what we call technocracy. the technocracy feature of civilization 2.0 will begin to nullify full human interdependence. in civilization 2.0. robotics will begin to phase out manual labor. under this civilization OS, currency,taxation,poverty,corruption and eventually scarcity and all of its symptoms will be eradicated. now, the divide that you call strong/weak, will be eradicated as well in the later versions of civilization. I reckon that we will be free of social Darwinism by version 2.7. currency will be replaced by what we technocrats call "energy credits" meaning that for what little work is required for the gears of society to turn, will be paid with electricity to your home/distribution center (shop) (if you choose to have one) in 500 years if all goes as planned, "weakness" will be the norm, we will have eliminated "survival of the fittest" style thinking. the only jobs that will exist are"political engineer" or politician/scientist combination, robotics repair, robotics design or "person who makes new robots to do new things", religious leader (pastor,priest,rabbi, ect), and the assorted phycology based jobs.
Liam M My "ubermensch " bullshit wtf ? Nice social justice warrior lead in on your post,I comment on proven facts of western intelligence going down hill,an absolute indisputable fact,and you reply using Nazi parables lol Laughable at best,pathetic in reality . When the weak & ignorant breed more than the strong & inventive a species devolves,you can't dispute the millennial brain having less mass than the baby boomer brain ,your also unable to dispute millennials IQ to be an average -7 points lower that previous generations,your also unable to dispute the proven fact of millennials attention spans being in the 6-30 second range,as evidence of what I say how many times have you seen idiots post this . TLDR Your post as well as my posts are always too long for the millennial generation to read,cites up the ass from Harvard,Yale & Stanford back up the millennial generation devolving so disprove their study findings for me .
Michael Ledford I wasn't really saying ubermensch in Nazi terms but in Nietzschean terms. Nietzsche talked about the strong and the weak, using the term "ubermensch" as a term for the strong. 1.i was in no way calling you a nazi 2. I am not an sjw. I fucking hate sjw,s
If people in the world would be happy to live in a population density of New York City the whole population of earth could live in the state the size of one medium sized state. They would give the rest of the planet to support the human life and other species. Humans wouldn’t live in NYC, I wouldn’t.
@@truthbusteryeah5166 yeah why dont u STFU. i have already closed the tab and stopped listening after i made the comment. u made me come back to tell u to STFU u dumbass
When I was growing up in the ‘60’s, this was considered “science fiction”! Today, it’s “ science facts”! I honestly believe they’ve been doing this, far longer than this book! Great read and, narration!
I'm the same boat. Not only this but so much of the science fiction from the 60s seem to have come to fruition in the modern era. Generally not for the good. I hope you live a long and healthy life.
Im... very curious. What in this is now science fact?
Reading books from back then I always have to say, “ Wait a min, hold up what year was this printed?”
Are we going through a wheel of time perhaps? Is this Atlantis .
@@eazypeazy33 they just use the same methods of social manipulation so you keep seeing those patterns back. we dont realize due eto the information control, or rather misinformation.
They predicted we’d work less hours (3-4 in this book) because of technology, which is a logical conclusion, but unfortunately people are working more hours and harder than ever.
I don’t think futurists in the 1950’s and 60’s accounted enough for some people’s greed, and how many yachts or private islands billionaires like Bezos or Zuckerberg would need in the year 2020 lol.
Man these are great stories. Why I Am just seeing this Channel? Thanks. Great Bedtime listening, instead of those horror news stories.
Same here all of a sudden FREE uninterrupted by adverts, science fiction (my favourite) stories!
Why?
Replacement for my ranting on YT of the mess the Oligarchs have put us in, perhaps?
Or the opposite, someone wants us to have something for free as a gift, I’m not sure which.
The algorithms are strong!
It doesn’t stop me from fighting the crap through!
An amazingly great visionary story. We are well on the way to this condition.
200 million people in Brazil?! Madness!
I love past predictions of the future
As someone with social anxiety, this is the most relatable story I’ve ever experienced.
stunning
A "what if" story. And the author submerges you right in it. Great stuff. Crowds, being uncomfortable all of the time, keeping one's sanity, all good story telling.
I almot stopped listening. I'm glad I didn't.
I wish other "publishers" would take note of the information provided about this book and the way it is done. How hard can it be, I applaud "New Thinkable" for their format of providing basic info on the books. Thank you.
I prefer Chillly Sunshine’s information, which gives the names of those who originally read the parts. I like to find out all I can about those who gave the best performances, then I can find other works they were involved with.
From the writer of psycho, what a superbly written story .
I enjoyed it in audio immensely .
Wow you really wash the 1
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Wow you really wash the 1
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Bloch wrote what was probably the best episode of _Star Trek Tos._
Freaking GREAT! I love Bloch...only a genius in his field could pen both this epic novel AND Psycho. Bravo! Thx for posting this 😀
"All of these performers seemed very much alike in that they were vigorous forthright inspiring champions of... the status quo."
This is a synopsis of why governments, pharma, and "medicines " are not always what they seem ... great book!
We have plenty resources and plenty space, we just don’t manage it well!
Yea, I don't know. For some reason stories like this one do not seem to have aged well, and do not seem to be as relevant today. Its like watching something from 1950s/60s TV and I don't mean something cool like the Twilight Zone or Star Trek.
I would suggest another listen to this story and endeavor to find the meaning the author is telling us. Of course, this is just my observation.
It aged poorly especially given North American birth rates were already falling even before the advent of the birth control pill ca. 1964/65.
I'm perplexed why post-WWII mainstream science fiction authors never considered that humans (and in particular, women) would voluntarily decide to limit the number of children and their birth spacing. Perhaps birth control was too taboo a topic for editors to countenance such stories.
However, the Malthusian vibes here help me understand the context that produced Ehrlich's _The Population Bomb_ or the film _Soylent Green_.
"But the day of the rugged individualist was departed. Only the flabby individual remained."
I guess they predicted the post-industrial obesity epidemic.
@@kaministquiamahackamack336 no he was talking about his present time. You need to learn people never change!
@@vincentconti3633 you need to learn... it's been well publicised that the rate of obesity has skyrocketed just in the last couple of decades.
@@kaministquiamahackamack336 Supermarkets and frozen meals were becoming more popular in 1969. He saw the writing on the wall,
Pandemic shot ... ???
Please more content 🙏
"Blinded by a spectacular display of blindnes, misdirected by self indulgences!"
This makes me think of the COVID vaccination. But our government would never do anything like that, would they?
Absolutely.. umm..not?
Stand on Zanzibar I think by John Brunner?? I read long ago.movie Soylent green? But not this one.another👍👍👍👍👏 One ☯️☮️😉🤝
Boy,this guy called it. Dead on.
Only six billion people eh? It's kinda funny listening to this old sci-fi talking about completely running out of living space around 6,000,000,000 people... a number we passed over 10 years ago. still lots of open space.
+ReddmanDGZ
Writers and artists help us conceive of a possible future, but they generally know how to predict an exact time for it. But we should consider that the earth is a closed system and the rate of consumption and population growth warrant serious concerns about limited resources sometime in the future.
Indeed, and I agree. I hate to get into it so much, but I'm of the opinion that population control is somewhat important, especially considering we need genetic modification of food crops to feed about 1/3 of the world at this point. I do not like to get into it so much because of the implications of eugenics.
I don't suppose most areas were flooded by the sea or irradiated by atomic bombs? We have more sprawl and gridlock than ever, and yet we still dismiss public transportation, underfunded, reduced, and underutilized. Texas is the worst, with some of the largest cities in the USA relying on bus systems, or at the very most, light rail.
I guess he forgot to add another zero.
Kaministquia Mahackamack
So empty trains stopping every thousand feet is better?
If this was made into a live action movie, I could imagine Henry Rollins cast in the role of Arnold Richie.
6 billion people, and the world is going down. how much today?
mr. bloch would not believe it......
One day we will all start again. Just for the few.
Yikes. Bilderberg.
@@manxx25
Looks like it! 😩
How wud u weed the garden if u had to?
I think the premise is good we need less people .... we have a couple of cultures outta control .... the dude talking about hundreds of miles of unpopulated land .... thank you we need more than that for our air and food ... and its becoming not enough
I've read that we could actually fit the entire population of earth in the state of Florida, and everyone would still have like 100 sq ft or so of space. In contrast to the whole earth, we have plenty of space to even double our population. Provided we manage it efficiently and we switch to greener fuels, etc etc.
@@darkhorse5232 green fuels are a grift.
@@darkhorse5232 yep.. first greener fuels .. then reduce oil use ... instead of not producing tires because electric flying cars are coming soon!
Wow! So good!
Complete
The 'yardstick' is one of my enduring memes.
I´m reading this book right now...problem we are facing is not space, but resources, when resources are gone we´ll gonna starve to death.
No problem with that, I think it´s fair, we should be not so stupid to the point of overpopulate the single planet we have
Only problem is, we are going to destro everything else during this process.
And to think that the Lemmings are smarter than us. When they overpopulate to the point where there's not gonna be enough to eat ....They commit suicide! And they're just rodents.
Resources won't run out they just change , trees regrow , gases collect and are stored in plants , soil , water , rocks etc over time resources get absorbed back into the earth and the earth churns out new resources . Certain species may disappear , even humans but the earth will go on and so will life for a very long time. Eventually we'll get absorbed by the sun or smashed to pieces in a collision with Andromeda.
The new jab going to solve all these problems ...wait until China releases the real virus . The one that the
" vaccine" made people unable to fight off.
If it is any consolation, some population projections predict that _global_ population will shrink by the end of the 21st century. Most industrialized countries are already at that stage. And with a few exceptions (e.g., Afghanistan), birth rates have been falling for a few decades in most countries.
Good reader, but the audio quality is odd. Is this an amateur recording?
Chapter 7 01:56:41
Wasn't untill th summer had past till he even thought of the Serpent
I've climed into the toilet .... goodbye cruel world! ... oh crap.. would someone please pull the handle and flush me? .......wooooosh... blub blub ......gurgle gurgle .......silence ....
Allegoric nonfiction is today's code phrase..
2:44 Ch 10 Harry Collins 2032
1:30 thanks
52:58
nice! thanks for this - have reposted to my new blog, thespeculativebookshop, hope that's not a prob!
Almost as if the writer saw an agenda!
1:55
Politics has no boundary. Good story though. :)
alive ?
Solina dam 🤔
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I struggled with this book , in every generation it was the weak back milk toast beta men who drove society & the human race into the ground , about half way through I realized the parable of what's taking place on the streets & in university all over america , the weakest scream the loudest , the most incapable demand a free easy life , the strong provide for all , yet the weak & incapable betas demand " their share " , the true way to solve these issues would have been for the strong to lead & weak to be made to grow strong of bone as well as mind .
Michael Ledford I'm going to use software terms to explain why your ubermensch bullshit will be a primitive way of thinking in 150 years.like it or not our society runs on what I will call an "operating system" . we are in civilization OS 1.9 .OS 1.9 is the final stage of the civilization we have had for at least since the Romans. civilization 2.0 is coming soon under what we call technocracy. the technocracy feature of civilization 2.0 will begin to nullify full human interdependence. in civilization 2.0. robotics will begin to phase out manual labor. under this civilization OS, currency,taxation,poverty,corruption and eventually scarcity and all of its symptoms will be eradicated. now, the divide that you call strong/weak, will be eradicated as well in the later versions of civilization. I reckon that we will be free of social Darwinism by version 2.7. currency will be replaced by what we technocrats call "energy credits" meaning that for what little work is required for the gears of society to turn, will be paid with electricity to your home/distribution center (shop) (if you choose to have one)
in 500 years if all goes as planned, "weakness" will be the norm, we will have eliminated "survival of the fittest" style thinking. the only jobs that will exist are"political engineer" or politician/scientist combination, robotics repair, robotics design or "person who makes new robots to do new things", religious leader (pastor,priest,rabbi, ect), and the assorted phycology based jobs.
Liam M My "ubermensch " bullshit wtf ?
Nice social justice warrior lead in on your post,I comment on proven facts of western intelligence going down hill,an absolute indisputable fact,and you reply using Nazi parables lol
Laughable at best,pathetic in reality .
When the weak & ignorant breed more than the strong & inventive a species devolves,you can't dispute the millennial brain having less mass than the baby boomer brain ,your also unable to dispute millennials IQ to be an average -7 points lower that previous generations,your also unable to dispute the proven fact of millennials attention spans being in the 6-30 second range,as evidence of what I say how many times have you seen idiots post this .
TLDR
Your post as well as my posts are always too long for the millennial generation to read,cites up the ass from Harvard,Yale & Stanford back up the millennial generation devolving so disprove their study findings for me .
Michael Ledford I wasn't really saying ubermensch in Nazi terms but in Nietzschean terms.
Nietzsche talked about the strong and the weak, using the term "ubermensch" as a term for the strong.
1.i was in no way calling you a nazi
2. I am not an sjw. I fucking hate sjw,s
"the weakest scream the loudest" he screamed.
Michael Ledford.you got it right !
Too depressing!
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If people in the world would be happy to live in a population density of New York City the whole population of earth could live in the state the size of one medium sized state. They would give the rest of the planet to support the human life and other species. Humans wouldn’t live in NYC, I wouldn’t.
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Pandemic shot
L like
narrators voice snd tone is too boring and dry
re-do it yourself then if you can do better..otherwise nut up or shut up
@@truthbusteryeah5166 yeah why dont u STFU. i have already closed the tab and stopped listening after i made the comment. u made me come back to tell u to STFU u dumbass
and yes a very rude personal message INVISI6Le shows the real reason..you havent got the brains have you?...Grow up little child
@@truthbusteryeah5166 yes im rude and retarded ;_; i should be spanked
@@invisi6l339 I had to laugh at that :)
Wow! So good!
Wow! So good!
Wow! So good!
Wow! So good!