Most people in non-COVID times are able to collect documents within 6 months. Some less. It depends on what you need and the offices you have to deal with. Hiring individual pieces out that are difficult to obtain is usually much more cost-effective and faster than hiring everything out. Most US vital records, for example, can be ordered online and received within weeks. Italian offices vary and it sometimes makes sense to hire someone to obtain Italian records.
@@brianf4682 I was a 1948 case so I needed more stuff. But the document collection was still long even for the "normal" stuff. It took a few months alone to get my grandfather's birth certificate from the commune.
I've been in process for over 2 years now and the NYC Consulate recently updated requirements. You now have to have all translations of legal documents Apostilled.
RE: Renunciation: Thank you gentlemen; very helpful information! My question is about my great-grandfather (my Jure Sanguinis ancestor) who started the first step in the U.S. naturalization process but never followed-through to Steps 2 & 3. He filed two Declarations of Intention (DOI) - both of which presumably expired before he took the next required steps; the census records confirm he never went beyond filing initial papers. Both of these DOI's contain a signed oath "forgoing all allegiance to foreign powers including the King of Italy..,", etc. Will this oath on a DOI present a problem? Marco previously indicated that the only thing that matters is the oath taken at the time of the final certificate of naturalization (Step 3). One other question if I may - I obtained the USCIS search certification for him of "no record found," and certified census records from the time of the birth of his son - my grand-father (next in line), until his death that show no evidence of a final certificate of naturalization. With these records, will I still need to obtain a certified letter from the state archives stating no search evidence exists at the state level beyond the two Declaration of Intent records residing there? THANK YOU for any direction/ clarification on this - and buon Natale!
After the pandemic, I want to apply in Italy. In the upcoming episode, can you get into if you need the same documents as a consulate application? Is it still necessary to get apostilles and translations? All the guides I see are for consulates. Also, what is the range of how long it takes in Italy, and what is most common? I heard you must live there while they process the application.
The documents are, for the most part, the same. How you present them will be different. For example, everything not in Italian will need certified translations and all foreign documents need apostilles. The time for recognition cannot be predetermined. Even for towns that are prepared to handle recognition applications (most aren't because it is expected that you will apply through the consulate where you live), there are variables outside their control that can swing processing times by months. 3 months is an aggressive minimum. Most, lately, are in the 6-12+ month range. See here for details of applying in Italy and keep in mind that if you are hiring someone to help facilitate it for you, they cannot legally skip steps. (If they claim they can, run the other way.) dualusitalian.com/applying-in-italy/
Good information on taxation. You mentioned we can earn up to a certain amount of income in Italy as a US and Italian citizen. What is that amount up to?
Thanks for this informative video. If the name discrepancy is just the translation of the name, say from Giovanni to Joao (in Portuguese) on the record, is an amendment required?
It varies by consulate, but generally this is not an issue. Feel free to join this volunteer support group to discuss particulars: facebook.com/groups/dualusitaliancitizenship/
Thank you Marco & Rafael for the very helpful video series. I look forward to each and every installment as you've provided me with a wealth of information and instruction. I have a question for Marco as it pertains to the Consolato Generale d'Italia Los Angeles. I understand that I will need to complete Form 3 as part of my document packet since my father, through whom I'm seeking Jure Sanguinis, is still alive. The issue is that he is very elderly, in poor health and unable to travel. My appointment at the LA Consulate isn't until Spring of 2023, and in the unfortunate event my father is no longer with us at that time, can I get Form 3 notarized with his signature NOW in preparation for my scheduled appointment in 2+ yrs? Does the Los Angeles Consulate have a statute of limitation for this particular document ?
I think you could have it signed and notarized now while he is in good health. But if something did happen and he should pass before your appointment, then you would not submit Form 3 for him anyway (since that is for a living acendant). In this case, you would treat him as a deceased ancestor, provide a death certificate and fill out Form 4 for him.
@@christopherboczkus989 Marco's Office WILL be Representing My Family Members and I with our 1948 Case in the Court in Rome, so the answer to your Question is YES!
Is this true about the 1912 rule? "The rule of loss of Italian Citizenship because of 1912 Rule do not apply on children born on a Ius Soli Country, like US for example. If a child was born in US from Italian parents, it means that he was, immediately because of birth, US Citizen. And, because of ius sanguinis, Italian Citizen. If the father, later, naturalized US Citizen, the minor children didn’t lose his/her italian citizenship."
Anyone have any tips/luck with securing an appointment at the San Francisco consulate? I have been trying for months and even when an appointment appears open once that daily "magic time" comes around, by the time I enter the Captcha on Prenota, the page errors out and the appointment is no longer available. I've tried this on my laptop as well as phone. Very frustrating! The system gets so slow and bogged down once 6 PM EST hits...only one day opens at a time, 2 years out. It doesn't seem like other consulates function this way as I see others who have secured 2023 appointments. Thank you!
I have also given up trying because I can't even type the captcha code before all the appointments get taken. I suspect maybe there are less appointments due to the pandemic. I think after we get out of this pandemic and normal appointments resume, they may have more slots and appointment cancellations you can grab. At this rate, however, I will look into using a family member's address to apply at a different consulate or will do it in Italy.
@@RachelDavis705 Thanks Racel! I have the same feelings - hoping to apply in Italy once we're allowed to travel again. I've read you can also pay a 3rd party to book what should be a free appt, but I really don't want to support these individuals/companies who are blocking the system from us. Very sad....Auguri! I hope you find success in some way.
@@beemara2868 I don't think that's true and seems like a scam - third parties would have to go through the same system as all of us, and there's no way to jump ahead in line. The reason consulates make you wait so long is simply that they are underfunded and understaffed for all the requests they get - it's not as if they are saving appointments for third parties. From what I've read, before the pandemic you could get slots from cancelled appointments in NY quite easily, and for some of the consulates, like Detroit, the wait wasn't nearly as long as NY or SF. I am just going to continue gathering my paperwork and worry about getting an appointment once consulate operations return to normal.
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Even with a service, it took me 2 years to get all of the documents. I can't imagine how long it would have been if I had to do it on my own.
Most people in non-COVID times are able to collect documents within 6 months. Some less. It depends on what you need and the offices you have to deal with. Hiring individual pieces out that are difficult to obtain is usually much more cost-effective and faster than hiring everything out. Most US vital records, for example, can be ordered online and received within weeks. Italian offices vary and it sometimes makes sense to hire someone to obtain Italian records.
@@brianf4682 I was a 1948 case so I needed more stuff. But the document collection was still long even for the "normal" stuff. It took a few months alone to get my grandfather's birth certificate from the commune.
@@brianf4682 Right, you can do it yourself
If your ancestors rather family settled in Omaha to begin with so far the have been extremely helpful, otherwise you are possibly infor it?
In Brazil it takes about 10 years to get the italian citizenship if you go through the consulate.
Thank you guys, very informative
Great show gentlemen, you are amazing at helping us out...I live in Canada, does Marco have any offices in Canada.
I've been in process for over 2 years now and the NYC Consulate recently updated requirements. You now have to have all translations of legal documents Apostilled.
Thanks Marco. Thanks Rafi D. Always very informative. A video on application in Italy will be really interesting.
If possible, can you touch on what happens to the spouse of an applicant when applying in Italy? For eg. will she also get a permission to stay?
RE: Renunciation: Thank you gentlemen; very helpful information! My question is about my great-grandfather (my Jure Sanguinis ancestor) who started the first step in the U.S. naturalization process but never followed-through to Steps 2 & 3. He filed two Declarations of Intention (DOI) - both of which presumably expired before he took the next required steps; the census records confirm he never went beyond filing initial papers. Both of these DOI's contain a signed oath "forgoing all allegiance to foreign powers including the King of Italy..,", etc. Will this oath on a DOI present a problem? Marco previously indicated that the only thing that matters is the oath taken at the time of the final certificate of naturalization (Step 3).
One other question if I may - I obtained the USCIS search certification for him of "no record found," and certified census records from the time of the birth of his son - my grand-father (next in line), until his death that show no evidence of a final certificate of naturalization. With these records, will I still need to obtain a certified letter from the state archives stating no search evidence exists at the state level beyond the two Declaration of Intent records residing there?
THANK YOU for any direction/ clarification on this - and buon Natale!
After the pandemic, I want to apply in Italy. In the upcoming episode, can you get into if you need the same documents as a consulate application? Is it still necessary to get apostilles and translations? All the guides I see are for consulates. Also, what is the range of how long it takes in Italy, and what is most common? I heard you must live there while they process the application.
The documents are, for the most part, the same. How you present them will be different. For example, everything not in Italian will need certified translations and all foreign documents need apostilles.
The time for recognition cannot be predetermined. Even for towns that are prepared to handle recognition applications (most aren't because it is expected that you will apply through the consulate where you live), there are variables outside their control that can swing processing times by months. 3 months is an aggressive minimum. Most, lately, are in the 6-12+ month range.
See here for details of applying in Italy and keep in mind that if you are hiring someone to help facilitate it for you, they cannot legally skip steps. (If they claim they can, run the other way.) dualusitalian.com/applying-in-italy/
Good information on taxation. You mentioned we can earn up to a certain amount of income in Italy as a US and Italian citizen. What is that amount up to?
Can you make a video on the documents needed when your ancestor never became a US Citizen. You touched on it before, but can you explain more
Great content, Any idea on a service like yours based in the UK. It's so overwhelming, I'd rather hire someone to help me go through it
Thanks for this informative video. If the name discrepancy is just the translation of the name, say from Giovanni to Joao (in Portuguese) on the record, is an amendment required?
It varies by consulate, but generally this is not an issue. Feel free to join this volunteer support group to discuss particulars: facebook.com/groups/dualusitaliancitizenship/
For ancestors who anglicized their Italian names should I try to get them amended or will a sworn affidavit be enough?
Thank you Marco & Rafael for the very helpful video series. I look forward to each and every installment as you've provided me with a wealth of information and instruction. I have a question for Marco as it pertains to the Consolato Generale d'Italia Los Angeles. I understand that I will need to complete Form 3 as part of my document packet since my father, through whom I'm seeking Jure Sanguinis, is still alive. The issue is that he is very elderly, in poor health and unable to travel. My appointment at the LA Consulate isn't until Spring of 2023, and in the unfortunate event my father is no longer with us at that time, can I get Form 3 notarized with his signature NOW in preparation for my scheduled appointment in 2+ yrs? Does the Los Angeles Consulate have a statute of limitation for this particular document ?
I think you could have it signed and notarized now while he is in good health. But if something did happen and he should pass before your appointment, then you would not submit Form 3 for him anyway (since that is for a living acendant). In this case, you would treat him as a deceased ancestor, provide a death certificate and fill out Form 4 for him.
@@IMTooShort2C Thank you for the info. Definitely makes sense. Much appreciated 🙏🏻
If I am born Italy and have Italian descent ( I have been in Australia since I was 3 years old ) can I get an Italian citizenship?
For People with a 1948 Case, Who will notify them about their Confirmation of Recognition since it will Not go through a Consulate?
For a 1948 case, you MUST have a lawyer go before the Judge in Rome. I will assume he will be working on your behalf.
@@christopherboczkus989 Marco's Office WILL be Representing My Family Members and I with our 1948 Case in the Court in Rome, so the answer to your Question is YES!
@@mr.dsproductreviewchannel I assume your lawyer will notify you about Confirmation of Recognition.
Is this true about the 1912 rule?
"The rule of loss of Italian Citizenship because of 1912 Rule do not apply on children born on a Ius Soli Country, like US for example. If a child was born in US from Italian parents, it means that he was, immediately because of birth, US Citizen. And, because of ius sanguinis, Italian Citizen. If the father, later, naturalized US Citizen, the minor children didn’t lose his/her italian citizenship."
That is what the law says.
Anyone have any tips/luck with securing an appointment at the San Francisco consulate? I have been trying for months and even when an appointment appears open once that daily "magic time" comes around, by the time I enter the Captcha on Prenota, the page errors out and the appointment is no longer available. I've tried this on my laptop as well as phone. Very frustrating! The system gets so slow and bogged down once 6 PM EST hits...only one day opens at a time, 2 years out. It doesn't seem like other consulates function this way as I see others who have secured 2023 appointments. Thank you!
I have also given up trying because I can't even type the captcha code before all the appointments get taken. I suspect maybe there are less appointments due to the pandemic. I think after we get out of this pandemic and normal appointments resume, they may have more slots and appointment cancellations you can grab. At this rate, however, I will look into using a family member's address to apply at a different consulate or will do it in Italy.
@@RachelDavis705 Thanks Racel! I have the same feelings - hoping to apply in Italy once we're allowed to travel again. I've read you can also pay a 3rd party to book what should be a free appt, but I really don't want to support these individuals/companies who are blocking the system from us. Very sad....Auguri! I hope you find success in some way.
@@beemara2868 I don't think that's true and seems like a scam - third parties would have to go through the same system as all of us, and there's no way to jump ahead in line. The reason consulates make you wait so long is simply that they are underfunded and understaffed for all the requests they get - it's not as if they are saving appointments for third parties.
From what I've read, before the pandemic you could get slots from cancelled appointments in NY quite easily, and for some of the consulates, like Detroit, the wait wasn't nearly as long as NY or SF. I am just going to continue gathering my paperwork and worry about getting an appointment once consulate operations return to normal.