I like the fact that the dad actually cares about his future and where he’s going to go in life, while the mother looked as though she was trying to hold him back of what he wants to do.
george knows what its like to have things ripped away from u, by another person, he also understands responsibility. he had a job offer to coach at the college level. mary then turned the family against him doing it, which is funny because not long after hes fired as the highschool coach.
And every parent knows (or should know) that you never ask girls about boys or boys about girls. And a question like "How are things at school?" only gets an answer like "Fine." Whether or not she's a good mother, she doesn't try to figure out how to talk to her kids.
This is why a boy should be graduated to young-man-in-training at about age 9 and the father be primary decider in their development from that point forward. Moms... no matter how well intentioned... will always treat them as little boys which hinders this development.
I can't believe Mary doesn't realize how in the wrong she is. They both have poor and excellent qualities, but I believe firmly that George is a better parent overall than Mary.
Overprotective parents almost never admit when they are wrong even when they know they are. The only thing that matters to them is "kid is safe, doesn't matter how many wrongs I committed to make them safe".
She basically told George how little she cares for him. She told him he could go as far away as he wished and it was okay with her. Mary thinks she is in charge of the whole family. I think that in reality, she thinks she could have married better than George but was pregnant when they married and ended up stuck with a high school football coach. Then, when he had the opportunity to go coach at the college level, she turned the whole family against him so he wouldn't go. He wanted what was best for the family. She wants what is best for her.
Goerge wasnt upset that Mary didnt want Shelson to go to Caltech. He was upset because Mary disnt discuss this with him. He is Sheldons dad. He has every right to be part of the decision makings for Sheldons life as much as Mary
George was definitely a better parent than Mary. He's not afraid to discipline Sheldon when he's in the wrong and unlike Mary he isn't negligence towards Georgie or Missy. Grown up Georgie said it best in the episode of TBBT "I know that life has been tough on you but doesn't mean it has been easier on the rest of us."
To be fair? Some of us saw that flip Sheldon had about Sr coming before he found that video of Sr's halftime speech. We knew, because it was Sheldon, there was a good chance he read the Mom was the good guy Dad was the bad guy wrong.
Says a lot about a kid’s parents when his late dad who died before his son left for a college like CalTech has a healthier, more balanced, and better relationship with all three of his children than the kid’s mother he married and had them with does…
This was a huge deal; Mary obviously doesn’t realise how much she could hurt his chances - not reacting to such a letter is extremely bad for an applic
@@killrkiddx007 the closest experience to this that I had was when my parents prevented me from going to my university of choice in favor of sending me to the community college my brother went to even though I passed the entrance for the university. I wasn't able to fulfill my dream of playing college softball because of that and I'm honestly so salty about it that I still remind them of that every chance I get 🤣
My mother did something similar. She started whining when I chose mathematics over biology just because she wanted me to become a doctor like her. I wanted to become an engineer which I did but I had to study maths as an additional subject (because biology was the 'passing required' subject) which took time away from maths which affected my engineering studies eventually ruining my whole career. That butterfly effect is real 😢
This just cements the fact for me that Mary, although mostly kind, nurturing and hard working mother, is a selfish and manipultive parent and wife. Yes, I can get she is worried about Sheldon and wants to protect him, but she doesnt even give him a chance to explore the opportunities of Caltec. Further more she hides it from George too. She is seen constantly manipulating the narrative through the whole series. Even in TBBT Mary shows the same attitude and babies Sheldon. She has a very 'Do as I say, Not as I do' attitude to her family which makes her a massive hypocrite.
George is the great father who really seek the future for his kids. Mary uhhh she always cared for the people she don't even know but when her family needed help, she totally helpless
Her type never actually care. It's an act to make people like them. My mom is the same. Goes out of her way to "help" others but never belps her own family. She only helps to look good or get favors. It's a form of narcissism.
It's funny how in the Big Bang Theory, Sheldon and the rest of the Coopers rarely talk positively about their father/husband. In reality he was easily the best of them. He might mess up every now and again, and doesn't understand his son (something that he knows and has accepted) but he's always in their corner. I don't know if he's Uncle Phil level of tv father, but he's up there.
In the TBBT timeline George eventually cheated on his wife, a betrayal like that will taint any memories about him(it won’t happen in YS though, because George is too popular a character to destroy like that)
I wouldn’t go quite that far but I agree of the two George seems to have been the better parent. Mary might have been well meaning but boy she’s got an ego on her that really stopped her from seeing the forest for the trees. As for the affair, maybe this kind of constant behavior from her is what eventually drove George to cheat. (That doesn’t excuse him for it, but the shows doing great in contextualizing what eventually became an ugly separation)
Tbbt says George started cheating and probably ignoring the family , probably something big happened. Sheldon himself, never speaks too much ill of George though.
I could easily see George hitting the roof on this one. The hiding of the letter from George is just disrespectful. He does have a right to be involved. And, since he is the breadwinner, that should be more than enough to earn him respect. Mary may be right in Sheldon not going to CalTech at this time, but she does need to think about it and talk with both George and Sheldon. There is a day coming, and we viewers know it, when Sheldon does go. Mostly, this is Mary using her fears to justify her misdeeds. She should be sleeping on the couch for a while.
I agree. While I can see the logic in Mary not allowing Sheldon to go to CalTech, she should've included her husband George in the discussion and the decision instead of not telling even him about it as George is just as much of a parent to Sheldon as Mary is. After all, George is the breadwinner of the house and has a paid job to pay food on the table and to pay off all the bills so that gives him just as much influence in the household as Mary. She also came across as being a paranoid tyrant to Sheldon and even George when she should've openly expressed her concerns in a worried and upset way. All she's achieving with her stubborn attitude and unwillingness to discuss things with Sheldon and even George is pushing them away from her.
"To the PARENTS of Sheldon Cooper!" Not "To the Mother/Parent of Sheldon Cooper!" Mary seriously pisses me off sometimes.. George made a PERFECT argument!!
@@MsJubjubbird I think, with enough time and some bold decisions, the writers would've allowed her to hunker down and actually start reaming the hell out of him. At this age, Missy was more socially stable, and thus more socially dangerous, while Georgie was more 'dad's problem'. Mary thought Sheldon needed babying because he found normal life so difficult, and is a very common thing, and likely relied on George to be the firmer hand. With his death, she had to start taking on all roles, and likely started realizing all three of them were incredibly intelligent in their own ways. The real error was refusing to make Sheldon autistic while coding him autistic in TBBT, or refusing to throw up middle fingers at all the stuff in TBBT that coded him as autistic and allow this Sheldon to grow in emotional and social intelligence.
And definitely a batter parent then Mary, who, IIRC, chose trying to get back into the good graces of their church over standing up for her family. The Mandy baby debacle comes to mind. Religion is a mentality. And that mentality means diddly squat when your family CLEARLY needs you more than a bunch people that realistically don’t matter to you the way family seemingly does.
This is more like a script problem, rather than a ''I hate my own characters" problems. When the series Young Sheldon had no intentions of existing, one of the strongest things they used to re enforce Sheldon's personality is how distant he felt from his parents, also that explained why since the early childhood he preffered to be alone. So in order to make emphasys into that, they described George cooper as a drinking irresponsible dumb man with no similarities at all to Sheldon. If they had spoken about him nicely, simply sheldon's personality would not have been built as propperly as it was. Some years later, in 2017 when Young sheldon premieres, they needed to portrait a good man, otherwise the series could have been cancelled or at least highly criticized.
In 2021 the acceptance rate for the California Institute of Technology was 3.9%. The idea that Sheldon could get accepted there is nothing short of incredible.
@@SYDAirlineEnthusiastthey dont care about that mate, you are this level of genius then they get fundings because of you, u can be a terrible human as long as u get them funding u are all good
@@TheRoronoa_Zoro SHeldon would have gotten his own dorm room. Not roommates. It baffles me how people think the interview goes like the "Fresh Prince" Princton interview scene. Where they CARE about your "Personality", what clubs you will join.
@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast George just wants to see his children happy Mary doesn't care about Georgie or Missy, she only cares about Sheldon and she's too overprotective of him
@@KyairEnnis547Exactly, when he got a better opportunity in Oklahoma Mary had to get her way… Ik moving is a big deal but even Sheldon wasn’t to upset at it
@@andria8279 Exactly! That's as if saying if Georgie or Missy found where they belong in the world and what they want to do with their lives, Mary would look for a way to get them to abandon it
@@KyairEnnis547she only cares about herself if she cares about Sheldon she won't stop him to go to college, Caltech and she did make him return to Texas from Germany
George's argument with Mary gets a lot of points clear, Mary selfishly controls her family the way she wants it to be, and no one has a say in it. Her selfishness intensifies when she gets defensive and tries to shift blame on George for Sheldon not being his son at times when that is irrelevant at the moment and Mary is the wrong person in this situation.
Mary claims she is all about family, but then refuses to let her husband in on a life-changing decision about his son. George was not even arguing that Sheldon should go but was just requesting to be told about this kind of information. Man, this makes me despise Mary more and more.
This isn't the grand all be all, but in my experiences in life I've seen this be the case with many of the zealous/semi-religious types like mary. To the public they are the "perfect family person who is graceful and accepting" but behind closed doors they're the most insufferable and shittiest person you can know personally because they do a complete 180 on their attitude and become absolutely hypocritical. Not the standard, but certainly not the exception to the rule.
@@darkman30200I’ve spent all eighteen years of my life in and around Baptist culture. I myself am Baptist. With that being said you are absolutely correct. I have seen many people including members of my own family completely switch up their attitudes once they are within the confines of their own home. This can go as far as twisting the Bible for manipulation and fear. It is way more common than it should be.
I use to think Mary was a great mom. But after watching young sheldon for 6 seasons. She is not the best parent, George was. Sheldon became the way he is partly by Mary babying him and neglected georgie and Missy. She almost prevented him from success. George was right when opportunities come, you need to jump on it because the opportunity may never come again. Also, calling georgie and Missy dumb as soup isn't accurate. Georgie isn't dumb. He became very successful in selling tires. As fair as I can say, George is 1000% better parent. Mary wants to hold Sheldon back.
And yet, in TBBT Sheldon speaks about his father with total disdain and hatred, which is not how George deserves to be remembered. Why doesn't Sheldon admit that if not for his father, he wouldn't have gone to college as early as he did?
That is often the difference between male and female ways of thinking. They certainly compliment however they are tweaked differently. Mary instinctive decision was ensuring the family remains together and a complete unit meanwhile George's decision was to go for the opportunities. This is an evolutionary tactic where the hunter gather knows they have to travel and strike at the first opportunity otherwise they could starve. This is why it is ABSOLUTE IMPORTANT that the letter was addressed to the parents and not to the mother or father as both needs to be in the equation.
@@rocketmom60 I think because Sheldon was young when his father died. Given that in much of his life to that point, mom was the good guy on most things giving him what he wanted and giving in to his demands, while dad was the "bad" buy who had to say "no" at times. Even though dad was the one who supported him big things, like taking him to see the shuttle and to visit Caltech, at that age Sheldon would be remembering that mom made hot dogs and spaghetti comforted hs booboos while dad probably said "rub some dirt on it." Plus, after he left for Caltech, all his contact and information came through Mary who only told him what she wanted him to hear. Essentially through most of his early life, he only got one point of view. It was only after maturing and having kids of his own did his perspective about dad really change. I suspect if you ask most dads out there now, they'll agree that their view of dad changed when they became one.
@Christopher Bingham I'm so over Mary and her obsessively religious helicopter mom character. She coddled Sheldon for years and therefore messed him up for many more to come by giving him Golden Child Syndrome. She ruined his chances at getting into CalTech simply because she couldn't bear to let go and let him live his life, and she really is just not a good mother if you think about it. Being "nice" does not make you a good person.
While Mary coddled him more, she stood in his way and held him back more than George did. Yet, Sheldon, as an adult, continued to worship his mother and had nothing but disdain for his father.
@rocketmom60 George encouraged integrity and curiosity and letting the kids explore their strengths and weaknesses. Mary coddled everyone and used religion and self absortion as an excuse for her actions. Reminds me alot about my grandparents who raised me. Especially my grandmother. Even tho I appreciate alot of what she did now that I'm older, I could've gotten alot farther in life if I had listened to my dad more when he became more involved in my life, rather than hate him based on ideology my grandparents fed me about him. Which also relates me to sheldon having resentment on his mom in early episodes of BBT. If I had listened to my dad, I could've had a strong military career and would've already been in for 11yrs and probably an e6 staff serg by now. But instead, I decided to listen to my grandmother and take on debt and go to college which hadn't been very beneficial
@@matthewaldrich6455No Mary only coddled SHELDON. Missy and Georgie were both treated as second picks by her. We even see that near the end when she only talks to Missy when Sheldon isn’t in the picture.
In Mary's defense, Sheldon is too emotionally immature to go to college right then. However, that doesn't justify her not telling Sheldon, George, or anyone for that matter. Also, when George offered to go with him, that really shows how selfless he is so kudos to him. Marry just loves her children but that sometimes turns into being a controlling narcissist.
He is too emotionally immature for it and letting go to Cal tech would make him realise this and this is why George is the better parent imo, he saw Sheldons potential and wanted him to grow which he would've done but thanks to Mary's coddling he became emotionally stunted, I can almost guarantee sheldon might've been a much different person when we see him grown up had his father was making these decisions, he also would've had a better relationship with his did because of it.
Mary's coddling made Sheldon into a worthless narcissistic asshole. It wasn't until Leonard became his caretaker that me started to get better. Leonard is a better parental figure than Mary ever was. She held him back for her vanity, he was special and made her special. If he left nobody in her small town would give a shit about her and she'd be a nobody again. This happens all the time in real life with parents of "geniuses".
Healthy relationships do make you live longer and younger and healthier. I guess that was a time and place when people and science in that place haven't grown to that level yet. BTW bad relationships is toxic to health hence no wonder he died young.
If Georgie and Missy found where they belong in the world and George and Meemaw told them to be happy and pursue their dreams, Mary would say "They are not going anywhere! Their place is at home with their family!" Mary's always looking for a way to keep people from being what they want to be
Mary: “You’re making a big deal out of nothing” George. “This could be a huge opportunity for him. I should at least be told about it.” I love the fact that George was willing to move to California so that Sheldon could go to college. That shows he really did care about his future. As for Mary…I understand her being concerned about him living on his own in California but she should have at least talked to George about it so they could have seen if they could have worked something out. I understand not telling Sheldon right away, but not even talking to George about it? If you had talked to George first so you could at least talk to him first then OK
I am glad to see a "change" where the father is more concerned about its son's future, when is normally the mother, also, George has the right to be angry, not only because he wishes the best for Sheldon but of the fact that Mary hide the letter
Mary did more to stunt the emotional and mental health of Sheldon than his genius ever did. Adult Sheldon is such a nightmare to deal with because he's had an entire life of being literally babied.
George is the better parent for the mere fact that he looks at his kids through the eyes of both a parent and person, Mary only sees through her rose colored mama bird glasses. Her treatment of the kids was not fair to any of them, especially since Sheldon's siblings would grow up with hostility towards him because of Mary giving him all the attention Sheldon wanted.
Honestly it depends from situation to situation. Obviously in Young Sheldon, George is a great dad and much more attentive to Georgie and Missy than Mary. So I don’t agree with her here. But from my personal experience, my mom was more of a parent to the four children than my dad because even though he went out and worked to bring in money and my mom stayed at home (he didn’t let her work), she cared more for us and knew more about us than he did (he never managed to guess my age correctly in all the time I knew him). He was also abusive too, so it was hard for him to be the better parent out the two.
@@christopherbingham5092 While i agree with your sentiments, just to factually correct you, the church job does pay her money, you can check out the episode where she first got that job she refers to the fact that it would be nice extra income for the family
@@christopherbingham5092 Well, we don't really know what Mary does with her paycheck. Remember how she secretly had money stashed away when Sheldon wanted a computer. George said they couldn't afford one, but she wanted to be the good parent in Sheldon's eyes and used the money for him only....nothing for the rest of the family. So it is very possible George was telling the truth when he said that.
This is why I could never be a stay at home mom because comments like these remind me the man will generally think his work is above wtv Id do in the house 😂 no way he could play that 'I bring the money home' card like you're doing!
Earning money doesn't make you a good parent, though. My dad earned money when he was with my mom, but was he a good dad? Not at all. I was afraid of him until I was like 19 years old. That's enough to tell you the kind of parent he was. And a stay-at-home mom obviously parents her children more than her working husband, for clear reasons. I'm not saying George is a bad father. Just that earning money doesn't make you a good parent.
The fact that Mary is yelling at Sheldon and making him stay in his room when he didn’t even do anything wrong is baffling to me, like why is she like this
She was absolutely wrong for not telling the dad. He deserved to know and they should have decided what to do together. I don't think it's a bad call keeping Sheldon from going, but she should have told her husband.
The Big Bang Theory presents Sheldon's dad as a constant drunk and failure of a father, and Mary as the victim in a bad marriage who still managed to raise three kids. Young Sheldon paints a very different picture. Mary is a toxic and overbearing mother, as well as an ungrateful and domineering wife. Not saying George was a stellar father or husband, but Mary treats him like dirt. When Sheldon wanted a computer, not only did she reveal to George she had money he didn't know about, but that she can do whatever she likes with it, while when George earns money it has to go to provide for the family. This letter situation shows she does not value George's opinion at all, or anyones other than her own. There are numerous other examples of Mary making decision, big or small, unilaterally that George has a right to be involved in. Mary Cooper is a bad wife and mother.
So far in 6 seasons of YS, George has never been portrayed as drunk. Yes, he likes beer and drinks a lot of it, however, he's never drunk, which is not true for either Mary or Meemaw. Both have been portrayed as drunk on different occasions. And in TBBT, Sheldon tells many other lies about his father. You would think that he would appreciate George taking up for him about the college attendance, yet adult Sheldon doesn't ever give George credit for any of this.
they are different characters on different shows. The two already have many continuity errors. But TBBT Mary doesn't baby Sheldon. She accommodates is weirdness and accepts he has shortcomings and can be a very motherly figure when an of the characters are a bit down. But she wants him to spread his wings and she kicks his ass when he reverts to toddlerhood and tantrums. She's also quite crude, whether she means to be or not and loves her kids equally- like not going to Sheldon's wedding if George won't come. YS Mary treats Sheldon like a baby bird. His weirdness is to be encouraged and protected and when he reverts back to early childhood behaviour, she pacifies him. Thing is in TBBT the parents and family are both background characters. Here they have to be more fleshed out, and that might mean giving the characters more likeable traits or plots where we are sympathetic to them and also personal growth. The show was also written more than ten years ago. The values of the audience have changed- both in that it is ten years later and that this show seems to be more for young adults and teens, than the original audience. Like original Mary's crudeness or naivety would not work.
@MsJubjubbird they may be on different shows but they are not different characters. The developers of YS routinely stress that the show takes place in the same timeline as TBBT, and that everything that happens in YS is canon for TBBT.
@@magnum1118 @magnum1118 officially they are the same character. But the actual reality is that they outcome is that they are written as very different people with minimal continuity, other than being religious, the accent and being motherly. Even then, TBBT Mary uses religion differently to YS Mary and is a different and more equal mother hen. Missy is also very different on TBBT than on the YS, right down to the accent. Even Sheldon is a different character. On YS he's obnoxious and socially unaware but he's not weird and on TBBT he says he's become an uncle for the first time. One of the problems, other than different writers, is they're writing more than ten years after the original was conceived for a period that occurred twenty years before the original show. Huge clash of values that don't make sense.
She can literally look at her greatest achievement every single day with the most deserving pride... And she deliberately choses to deny him the progress he needs...
It's understandable that Mary doesn't want Sheldon to go off to CalTech, but she goes about it in the worst way possible. Not telling Sheldon is fine, if a bit rough, but trying to bury the letter without consulting George is extremely underhanded. It says that she only would have told George if she was certain he would agree to keep Sheldon at home, but she wasn't so she didn't. A real 'My way or the highway' mindset, which is very unhealthy to have in any relationship, between parents/kids or spouses. It's a truly nasty thing to do something like this to anybody, but to double-down when called on it is even worse.
Mary definitely is not the best parent, she coddles Sheldon, stunts his emotional growth. He is afraid of everything because of her. She is an abusive mother for wanting to keep Sheldon tied to her apron strings. Doesn't spend that much time with her other kids😊
Remember the episode when Sheldon lost his job and Leonard called Mary to come talk some sense into him? When Sheldon said he wasn’t coming out of his room for dinner, I would’ve kicked down the door, dragged his ass to the living room, and said ‘SIT DOWN AND EAT!!! You don’t have to converse with anyone but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let you throw a tantrum and hide away like a 4-year-old!!!!!!’
It’s understandable that as his mother she wants to protect him…HOWEVER, she can’t do that forever (every kid has to face the real world sooner or later)and she had no right to do that to him ( this recruitment letter could be a great opportunity for him to become something great in the future, no parent has the right to take that away from their kids),most parents would be supportive of their kids getting an opportunity to become successful (whatever it is)she’s just trying to keep him down
Watching only a few clips of this show (& bbt) I'm pretty sure Missy recognized that her mom was only paying attention to her because nobody else was available. (& Sheldon wasn't talking to their mom) George sr is back at the bar, Georgie "wasn’t hungry", and memaw was prob'ly out gambling or drinking. Poor missy; her mom's last choice.
George cares about Sheldon's future but Mary wants Sheldon to stay with the family rather than moving away from his hometown which is kinda weird. I feel like most parents are happy when their kids have the chance to search huge opportunities. That's why George is a great father
A girl I went to high school with got a free ride to some out of state college she was 17 at the time. Her mother always treated her like she was 9 years old from what I heard. She got the letter and her mother said nope you're not going there. She said I'm going and you can't stop me, over the summer she turned 18 and on her 18th birthday she left. I saw her on facebook one night so we started talking, she told me what happened. I asked if her mother still treats her like a kid, she said I don't know I haven't spoken to her since the day she left home about 13 years ago.
Very true. Mary is a stay-at-home mother. And I'm not trying to rag on them, stay at home parents have some of the hardest jobs on the planet. But she chose to be a stay at home parent and push all financial responsibility onto George. That means longer hours for him to make ends meet. So he CAN'T be there for Sheldon when he's sick. Especially since Mary already volunteered for that position by choosing to stay at home.
I mean it’s not even that she hid it from Sheldon because he is still young and it is still his parents decision but she made the decision without his dad and that’s the real issue. That is absolutely something that they need to be deciding together.
Mary is actually a horrible mom. First, she spoils Sheldon and turns him into a selfish brat who treats others very poorly, but then she ruins opportunities like this for him. It's a very unhealthy codependent relationship.
I mean he's like 9 so I understand why Mary wouldn't want her "baby boy" to go to college yet. But at the same time. He's a genius. Let him go somewhere he will be challenged and learn. Good for George for standing up for Sheldon and his future.
It’s interesting how Sheldon so strongly favored his mother in the way he spoke in TBBT, but his father appears to be the one who allowed Sheldon to have the first major opportunity that led to his career.
Normally I agree with Mary and think she is doing what is best for her kids even when most people are against her but in this situation she is completely wrong. I understand being scared about your baby going far away but you need to be able to voice that to your husband and he needs to be there for you. I think he would been, he is usually pretty good at talking to her and hearing her out. If she really is a traditional Christian mother she would know how important it is to make decisions together and have him lead that. I know she works so hard to take care of the family and most people don't realize how hard it is to take care of kids and a household but she needs to understand he works hard too and should be just as involved in the kids lives.
Gonna be honest George was the better parent in everything regarding Sheldon, he didn’t take the Texas university job or Oklahoma because she didn’t want him to
I can`t believe she would do something like that. She wants Sheldon to settle and not achieve. I think George is the better parent when it come to handling the kids.
It lets you know where a couples marriage is when they don’t want to send the child away but the mother says to the father you can go as far as you want. I haven’t even seen the show and I was waiting for someone to bring up divorce!
I think George dies before any divorce situation would have occurred, but there was also George's infidelity, likely spurred on by years of this kind of behavior by Mary...
if this takes place during the Cold War, I don't think they ever would have considered divorce. it was a topic that was frowned upon in those days. I can infer based on 9-5 and Mad Men that divorce must not have been something that was often considered as an option. those who were divorced from husbands were given looks of pity. this all leads me to think, even if George and Mary were having a failing marriage they wouldn't have thought to get divorce. I also think Mary wouldn't consider divorce because she is so religious, I can see her taking her view of til death do we part really seriously.
Mary was totally in the wrong! All she did was coddle and baby Sheldon. Everything had to be her way or the highway. For her not to even include George in this, George was right to get upset with her. Missy on the other hand blaming Sheldon for the arguing and then calling him a “freak”, hated her! Missy was such a little brat and she made Sheldon feel worse. Mary was being selfish, George was right. Glad Sheldon asked for his dad and didn’t go to Mary when George opened the door.
I like the fact that the dad actually cares about his future and where he’s going to go in life, while the mother looked as though she was trying to hold him back of what he wants to do.
Yes. In my opinion, when it came to Sheldon's future, George was his biggest supporter in doing what was best for Sheldon
george knows what its like to have things ripped away from u, by another person, he also understands responsibility. he had a job offer to coach at the college level. mary then turned the family against him doing it, which is funny because not long after hes fired as the highschool coach.
Mary knew she fucked up, and I almost dislike her almost as much as Sheldon himself.
And every parent knows (or should know) that you never ask girls about boys or boys about girls. And a question like "How are things at school?" only gets an answer like "Fine."
Whether or not she's a good mother, she doesn't try to figure out how to talk to her kids.
This is why a boy should be graduated to young-man-in-training at about age 9 and the father be primary decider in their development from that point forward. Moms... no matter how well intentioned... will always treat them as little boys which hinders this development.
I can't believe Mary doesn't realize how in the wrong she is. They both have poor and excellent qualities, but I believe firmly that George is a better parent overall than Mary.
yea i agree mary pampers sheldon too much neglecting the rest
Overprotective parents almost never admit when they are wrong even when they know they are. The only thing that matters to them is "kid is safe, doesn't matter how many wrongs I committed to make them safe".
Its how the movie is
Absolutely he is the better parent.
Mary is controlling. She believes the only opinion in the house is hers.
the mere fact that Mary and George lasted this long is nothing short of a miracle ....
She basically told George how little she cares for him. She told him he could go as far away as he wished and it was okay with her. Mary thinks she is in charge of the whole family. I think that in reality, she thinks she could have married better than George but was pregnant when they married and ended up stuck with a high school football coach. Then, when he had the opportunity to go coach at the college level, she turned the whole family against him so he wouldn't go. He wanted what was best for the family. She wants what is best for her.
@@rocketmom60 she discusts me.
Mary couldn’t do better than George but he could do much better then her
You’ve never been a parent have you?
Mary's devout nature would never permit her to get a divorce.
Goerge wasnt upset that Mary didnt want Shelson to go to Caltech. He was upset because Mary disnt discuss this with him. He is Sheldons dad. He has every right to be part of the decision makings for Sheldons life as much as Mary
I agree 👈
☝️ he agrees
👆He pointed out that he agrees.
That's the point.
He can not remain a child forever.
George was definitely a better parent than Mary. He's not afraid to discipline Sheldon when he's in the wrong and unlike Mary he isn't negligence towards Georgie or Missy. Grown up Georgie said it best in the episode of TBBT "I know that life has been tough on you but doesn't mean it has been easier on the rest of us."
To be fair? Some of us saw that flip Sheldon had about Sr coming before he found that video of Sr's halftime speech. We knew, because it was Sheldon, there was a good chance he read the Mom was the good guy Dad was the bad guy wrong.
Ok
Says a lot about a kid’s parents when his late dad who died before his son left for a college like CalTech has a healthier, more balanced, and better relationship with all three of his children than the kid’s mother he married and had them with does…
This was a huge deal; Mary obviously doesn’t realise how much she could hurt his chances - not reacting to such a letter is extremely bad for an applic
This! Even if it’s a no. Ignoring it could get him in trouble with other schools for the future
Yeah I mean Caltech is one of the Greatest and Hardest School in the world to get in that is a big deal
Do not evade the question Mary. George does have. Responsibility’s to his children.
@@nevillepatrick1325this is a once in a millennia opportunity for anyone
@@corabarnes6004 why would that make him in trouble with other schools? Surely they want someone that was accepted to such a good school
Man if my mother hid something like this from me, I would NEVER forgive her for stealing such an opportunity.
Mine did and I haven’t even spoken to her since
@@killrkiddx007 the closest experience to this that I had was when my parents prevented me from going to my university of choice in favor of sending me to the community college my brother went to even though I passed the entrance for the university. I wasn't able to fulfill my dream of playing college softball because of that and I'm honestly so salty about it that I still remind them of that every chance I get 🤣
@@MsRedfield97 I WANT TO DIE TOO. SOON PLEASE
My mother did something similar. She started whining when I chose mathematics over biology just because she wanted me to become a doctor like her. I wanted to become an engineer which I did but I had to study maths as an additional subject (because biology was the 'passing required' subject) which took time away from maths which affected my engineering studies eventually ruining my whole career. That butterfly effect is real 😢
She’s too wrapped up in religion and control.
This just cements the fact for me that Mary, although mostly kind, nurturing and hard working mother, is a selfish and manipultive parent and wife. Yes, I can get she is worried about Sheldon and wants to protect him, but she doesnt even give him a chance to explore the opportunities of Caltec. Further more she hides it from George too. She is seen constantly manipulating the narrative through the whole series. Even in TBBT Mary shows the same attitude and babies Sheldon. She has a very 'Do as I say, Not as I do' attitude to her family which makes her a massive hypocrite.
Honestly, I can't believe that Georgie and Missy still talk to Mary when they're adults.
The other thing is when she sends the kids to their room it's to cover her own mistakes
I don't see her as kind, nurturing or hard working. She is a liar and manipulative! She does things to hold them over other people's heads.
Yeah, Mary’s a piece of work here.
It just makes her another self righteous Christian!
George is the great father who really seek the future for his kids. Mary uhhh she always cared for the people she don't even know but when her family needed help, she totally helpless
Her type never actually care. It's an act to make people like them. My mom is the same. Goes out of her way to "help" others but never belps her own family. She only helps to look good or get favors. It's a form of narcissism.
@@bigbear4120sorta like Sheldon
Yes it is fact @@bigbear4120
It's funny how in the Big Bang Theory, Sheldon and the rest of the Coopers rarely talk positively about their father/husband. In reality he was easily the best of them. He might mess up every now and again, and doesn't understand his son (something that he knows and has accepted) but he's always in their corner. I don't know if he's Uncle Phil level of tv father, but he's up there.
In the TBBT timeline George eventually cheated on his wife, a betrayal like that will taint any memories about him(it won’t happen in YS though, because George is too popular a character to destroy like that)
In their brief appearances in TBBT, Missy and Georgie don't speak bad about their father.
I wouldn’t go quite that far but I agree of the two George seems to have been the better parent. Mary might have been well meaning but boy she’s got an ego on her that really stopped her from seeing the forest for the trees.
As for the affair, maybe this kind of constant behavior from her is what eventually drove George to cheat. (That doesn’t excuse him for it, but the shows doing great in contextualizing what eventually became an ugly separation)
Its because he reincarnated as leonards bully
Tbbt says George started cheating and probably ignoring the family , probably something big happened. Sheldon himself, never speaks too much ill of George though.
I could easily see George hitting the roof on this one. The hiding of the letter from George is just disrespectful. He does have a right to be involved. And, since he is the breadwinner, that should be more than enough to earn him respect.
Mary may be right in Sheldon not going to CalTech at this time, but she does need to think about it and talk with both George and Sheldon. There is a day coming, and we viewers know it, when Sheldon does go.
Mostly, this is Mary using her fears to justify her misdeeds. She should be sleeping on the couch for a while.
plus george was the one who took him to caltech to begin with he should atleast know about the fact his efforts got his son into the bloody school
I agree. While I can see the logic in Mary not allowing Sheldon to go to CalTech, she should've included her husband George in the discussion and the decision instead of not telling even him about it as George is just as much of a parent to Sheldon as Mary is.
After all, George is the breadwinner of the house and has a paid job to pay food on the table and to pay off all the bills so that gives him just as much influence in the household as Mary. She also came across as being a paranoid tyrant to Sheldon and even George when she should've openly expressed her concerns in a worried and upset way. All she's achieving with her stubborn attitude and unwillingness to discuss things with Sheldon and even George is pushing them away from her.
George was being more than reasonable.
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George sr was absolutely right to hit the roof ! I would hit the roof too.
Daddy is standing up to his son's future
He should !!
He finance all there future scholarship or no scholarship !
He got a full scholarship.
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"To the PARENTS of Sheldon Cooper!" Not "To the Mother/Parent of Sheldon Cooper!" Mary seriously pisses me off sometimes.. George made a PERFECT argument!!
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Mary doesn't discipline Sheldon. She over disciplines Missy. She doesn't pay attention to Georgie's comings or goings. Yeah,George is as good parent
continuity error with the original show. Because in the original Sheldon fears his mother and she is not afraid to verbally kick his butt.
@@MsJubjubbird I think, with enough time and some bold decisions, the writers would've allowed her to hunker down and actually start reaming the hell out of him. At this age, Missy was more socially stable, and thus more socially dangerous, while Georgie was more 'dad's problem'. Mary thought Sheldon needed babying because he found normal life so difficult, and is a very common thing, and likely relied on George to be the firmer hand. With his death, she had to start taking on all roles, and likely started realizing all three of them were incredibly intelligent in their own ways. The real error was refusing to make Sheldon autistic while coding him autistic in TBBT, or refusing to throw up middle fingers at all the stuff in TBBT that coded him as autistic and allow this Sheldon to grow in emotional and social intelligence.
The way everyone thinks negatively about George is a disgrace. He wasn't the best, but he genuinely cared about his family and responsibilities.
If they would of gotten a divorce then sure. But families tend to not look favorably at the cheater no matter whatever nuance may have been involved.
And definitely a batter parent then Mary, who, IIRC, chose trying to get back into the good graces of their church over standing up for her family.
The Mandy baby debacle comes to mind.
Religion is a mentality. And that mentality means diddly squat when your family CLEARLY needs you more than a bunch people that realistically don’t matter to you the way family seemingly does.
This is more like a script problem, rather than a ''I hate my own characters" problems. When the series Young Sheldon had no intentions of existing, one of the strongest things they used to re enforce Sheldon's personality is how distant he felt from his parents, also that explained why since the early childhood he preffered to be alone. So in order to make emphasys into that, they described George cooper as a drinking irresponsible dumb man with no similarities at all to Sheldon. If they had spoken about him nicely, simply sheldon's personality would not have been built as propperly as it was. Some years later, in 2017 when Young sheldon premieres, they needed to portrait a good man, otherwise the series could have been cancelled or at least highly criticized.
@@bananadog8018Turned out he didn't cheat
@@bananadog8018he never cheated tho what are you saying?
In 2021 the acceptance rate for the California Institute of Technology was 3.9%. The idea that Sheldon could get accepted there is nothing short of incredible.
It’s more surprising when it is someone who lacks behavioral skills.
@GlobalAirlineEnthusiast Why would they care about behavioral skills?
@@SYDAirlineEnthusiastthey dont care about that mate, you are this level of genius then they get fundings because of you, u can be a terrible human as long as u get them funding u are all good
@@TheRoronoa_Zoro SHeldon would have gotten his own dorm room. Not roommates. It baffles me how people think the interview goes like the "Fresh Prince" Princton interview scene. Where they CARE about your "Personality", what clubs you will join.
yeah when it comes to money they only care about money @@Iansco1
George: how'd you even find me?
Sheldon: it's not like you come home smelling like coffee! 😂
To be fair, Jessica Rabbit is pretty attractive for a cartoon character. Also, I love Mr Gibbons' reaction to Sheldon showing up in the bar.
George: How’d you even find me?
Sheldon: It’s not like you come home smelling like coffee.
I prefer Holly Would from Cool World
@@marckempe2143 Wayne had to stifle a laugh.
Mary is a piece of work.
Still way better than Leonard's mom
@@CountDVB ngl tru Leonard's mom is a bitch for sure
Mary is nosy and overprotective lol
@@frozenllama23 that’s an understatement
I think the words you're looking for are "Mary is a selfish manipulative bitch"
George is a thousand times a better parent to Sheldon than Mary could ever be
In this case, I would have to agree. I mean Mary didn’t even want to send Sheldon off to college early.
@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast George just wants to see his children happy
Mary doesn't care about Georgie or Missy, she only cares about Sheldon and she's too overprotective of him
@@KyairEnnis547Exactly, when he got a better opportunity in Oklahoma Mary had to get her way… Ik moving is a big deal but even Sheldon wasn’t to upset at it
@@andria8279 Exactly! That's as if saying if Georgie or Missy found where they belong in the world and what they want to do with their lives, Mary would look for a way to get them to abandon it
@@KyairEnnis547she only cares about herself if she cares about Sheldon she won't stop him to go to college, Caltech and she did make him return to Texas from Germany
George's argument with Mary gets a lot of points clear, Mary selfishly controls her family the way she wants it to be, and no one has a say in it. Her selfishness intensifies when she gets defensive and tries to shift blame on George for Sheldon not being his son at times when that is irrelevant at the moment and Mary is the wrong person in this situation.
Also providing for his family at the same time. She acts like he doesnt pay the bills.
Mary claims she is all about family, but then refuses to let her husband in on a life-changing decision about his son. George was not even arguing that Sheldon should go but was just requesting to be told about this kind of information. Man, this makes me despise Mary more and more.
Mary prevented George from taking a better job offer at some university in Oklahoma.
This isn't the grand all be all, but in my experiences in life I've seen this be the case with many of the zealous/semi-religious types like mary. To the public they are the "perfect family person who is graceful and accepting" but behind closed doors they're the most insufferable and shittiest person you can know personally because they do a complete 180 on their attitude and become absolutely hypocritical. Not the standard, but certainly not the exception to the rule.
@@darkman30200I’ve spent all eighteen years of my life in and around Baptist culture. I myself am Baptist. With that being said you are absolutely correct. I have seen many people including members of my own family completely switch up their attitudes once they are within the confines of their own home. This can go as far as twisting the Bible for manipulation and fear. It is way more common than it should be.
I use to think Mary was a great mom. But after watching young sheldon for 6 seasons. She is not the best parent, George was. Sheldon became the way he is partly by Mary babying him and neglected georgie and Missy. She almost prevented him from success. George was right when opportunities come, you need to jump on it because the opportunity may never come again. Also, calling georgie and Missy dumb as soup isn't accurate. Georgie isn't dumb. He became very successful in selling tires. As fair as I can say, George is 1000% better parent. Mary wants to hold Sheldon back.
And yet, in TBBT Sheldon speaks about his father with total disdain and hatred, which is not how George deserves to be remembered. Why doesn't Sheldon admit that if not for his father, he wouldn't have gone to college as early as he did?
That is often the difference between male and female ways of thinking. They certainly compliment however they are tweaked differently. Mary instinctive decision was ensuring the family remains together and a complete unit meanwhile George's decision was to go for the opportunities. This is an evolutionary tactic where the hunter gather knows they have to travel and strike at the first opportunity otherwise they could starve. This is why it is ABSOLUTE IMPORTANT that the letter was addressed to the parents and not to the mother or father as both needs to be in the equation.
@@rocketmom60 Perhaps because George "abandoned" them by dying?
@@rocketmom60 I think because Sheldon was young when his father died. Given that in much of his life to that point, mom was the good guy on most things giving him what he wanted and giving in to his demands, while dad was the "bad" buy who had to say "no" at times. Even though dad was the one who supported him big things, like taking him to see the shuttle and to visit Caltech, at that age Sheldon would be remembering that mom made hot dogs and spaghetti comforted hs booboos while dad probably said "rub some dirt on it." Plus, after he left for Caltech, all his contact and information came through Mary who only told him what she wanted him to hear.
Essentially through most of his early life, he only got one point of view. It was only after maturing and having kids of his own did his perspective about dad really change. I suspect if you ask most dads out there now, they'll agree that their view of dad changed when they became one.
Mary : "You are making a big deal out of nothing.
Also Mary : "Katherine Dempsey?!"
George Sr: "I WAS FIFTEEN!"
“You’re pretty cranky for a princess rodeo clown.”
“MISSY!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
George was being fairly reasonable here.and supportive.
This is easily one of the sh*ttiest things Mary Cooper has ever done. It's a wonder Sheldon ever talked to her after this.
@Christopher Bingham I'm so over Mary and her obsessively religious helicopter mom character. She coddled Sheldon for years and therefore messed him up for many more to come by giving him Golden Child Syndrome. She ruined his chances at getting into CalTech simply because she couldn't bear to let go and let him live his life, and she really is just not a good mother if you think about it. Being "nice" does not make you a good person.
While Mary coddled him more, she stood in his way and held him back more than George did. Yet, Sheldon, as an adult, continued to worship his mother and had nothing but disdain for his father.
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@rocketmom60 George encouraged integrity and curiosity and letting the kids explore their strengths and weaknesses. Mary coddled everyone and used religion and self absortion as an excuse for her actions. Reminds me alot about my grandparents who raised me. Especially my grandmother. Even tho I appreciate alot of what she did now that I'm older, I could've gotten alot farther in life if I had listened to my dad more when he became more involved in my life, rather than hate him based on ideology my grandparents fed me about him. Which also relates me to sheldon having resentment on his mom in early episodes of BBT. If I had listened to my dad, I could've had a strong military career and would've already been in for 11yrs and probably an e6 staff serg by now. But instead, I decided to listen to my grandmother and take on debt and go to college which hadn't been very beneficial
@@matthewaldrich6455No Mary only coddled SHELDON. Missy and Georgie were both treated as second picks by her. We even see that near the end when she only talks to Missy when Sheldon isn’t in the picture.
“She told me to go tk my room she didn’t say stay there.., boy howdy do I love a loophole” Sheldon is too precious 😁😁
"And this time, stay there."
"Aww."
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In Mary's defense, Sheldon is too emotionally immature to go to college right then. However, that doesn't justify her not telling Sheldon, George, or anyone for that matter. Also, when George offered to go with him, that really shows how selfless he is so kudos to him. Marry just loves her children but that sometimes turns into being a controlling narcissist.
He is too emotionally immature for it and letting go to Cal tech would make him realise this and this is why George is the better parent imo, he saw Sheldons potential and wanted him to grow which he would've done but thanks to Mary's coddling he became emotionally stunted, I can almost guarantee sheldon might've been a much different person when we see him grown up had his father was making these decisions, he also would've had a better relationship with his did because of it.
@@adamc_vp77 facts
@@adamc_vp77 Exactly! 💯💯💯💯 Mary babied Sheldon so much that he was basically a grown-up baby, and at the same time, neglected Missy and Georgie..
Mary's coddling made Sheldon into a worthless narcissistic asshole. It wasn't until Leonard became his caretaker that me started to get better. Leonard is a better parental figure than Mary ever was. She held him back for her vanity, he was special and made her special. If he left nobody in her small town would give a shit about her and she'd be a nobody again. This happens all the time in real life with parents of "geniuses".
Healthy relationships do make you live longer and younger and healthier. I guess that was a time and place when people and science in that place haven't grown to that level yet.
BTW bad relationships is toxic to health hence no wonder he died young.
I’m so proud of these comment sections calling out Mary on her bs and seeing George as a good father, despite what the shows seem to try to tell us
Mary was wrong on this one she was problematic at times.. good on George for standing up for Sheldon.
women are wrong 90 percent of the time. well, most women are .
4:01 Georgie come baaack 😂😂😂
One more example of Mary putting her wants over what is best for some...
Yup. Sums it up.
If Georgie and Missy found where they belong in the world and George and Meemaw told them to be happy and pursue their dreams, Mary would say "They are not going anywhere! Their place is at home with their family!" Mary's always looking for a way to keep people from being what they want to be
Sheldon’s offscreen “aww” at 1:59 is the funniest thing in this video
Mary: “You’re making a big deal out of nothing”
George. “This could be a huge opportunity for him. I should at least be told about it.”
I love the fact that George was willing to move to California so that Sheldon could go to college. That shows he really did care about his future.
As for Mary…I understand her being concerned about him living on his own in California but she should have at least talked to George about it so they could have seen if they could have worked something out. I understand not telling Sheldon right away, but not even talking to George about it? If you had talked to George first so you could at least talk to him first then OK
1:46 best part
I am glad to see a "change" where the father is more concerned about its son's future, when is normally the mother, also, George has the right to be angry, not only because he wishes the best for Sheldon but of the fact that Mary hide the letter
Well said! 💯
Did you just refer to a father as an "it?"
@@tivednagol9127 English is not my native language so I tend to write those mistakes, sorry :)
@@JudaiMaverick86 ahhhhhh, okay. It’s cool :)
Mary did more to stunt the emotional and mental health of Sheldon than his genius ever did. Adult Sheldon is such a nightmare to deal with because he's had an entire life of being literally babied.
"And this time, stay there."
"Aww."
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George is the better parent for the mere fact that he looks at his kids through the eyes of both a parent and person, Mary only sees through her rose colored mama bird glasses. Her treatment of the kids was not fair to any of them, especially since Sheldon's siblings would grow up with hostility towards him because of Mary giving him all the attention Sheldon wanted.
1:45 the coach's face 😂😂😂
That is Sheldon's Science Teacher
He litraly earns money for a family of 5 and she has the gall to say she is more a parent cus she is a stay at home mom?
Honestly it depends from situation to situation. Obviously in Young Sheldon, George is a great dad and much more attentive to Georgie and Missy than Mary. So I don’t agree with her here. But from my personal experience, my mom was more of a parent to the four children than my dad because even though he went out and worked to bring in money and my mom stayed at home (he didn’t let her work), she cared more for us and knew more about us than he did (he never managed to guess my age correctly in all the time I knew him). He was also abusive too, so it was hard for him to be the better parent out the two.
@@christopherbingham5092 While i agree with your sentiments, just to factually correct you, the church job does pay her money, you can check out the episode where she first got that job she refers to the fact that it would be nice extra income for the family
@@christopherbingham5092 Well, we don't really know what Mary does with her paycheck. Remember how she secretly had money stashed away when Sheldon wanted a computer. George said they couldn't afford one, but she wanted to be the good parent in Sheldon's eyes and used the money for him only....nothing for the rest of the family. So it is very possible George was telling the truth when he said that.
This is why I could never be a stay at home mom because comments like these remind me the man will generally think his work is above wtv Id do in the house 😂 no way he could play that 'I bring the money home' card like you're doing!
Earning money doesn't make you a good parent, though. My dad earned money when he was with my mom, but was he a good dad? Not at all. I was afraid of him until I was like 19 years old. That's enough to tell you the kind of parent he was. And a stay-at-home mom obviously parents her children more than her working husband, for clear reasons. I'm not saying George is a bad father. Just that earning money doesn't make you a good parent.
The fact that Mary is yelling at Sheldon and making him stay in his room when he didn’t even do anything wrong is baffling to me, like why is she like this
In her eyes, he was "obviously" snooping because how else would he have found the envelope?
In my opinion mary has brainwashed Sheldon and used him for her benefits if you see only Sheldon listen to Mary everyone ignores her
1:30 - 1:34 I love Sheldon's savageness sometimes 😅
Even his friend couldn’t hide his reaction 😅
She was absolutely wrong for not telling the dad. He deserved to know and they should have decided what to do together. I don't think it's a bad call keeping Sheldon from going, but she should have told her husband.
0:02:22 Sheldon definitely told his dad about the "both parents" of Sheldon Cooper addressed on the envelope...👍😁👍
0:08 I feel like Sheldon got so angry, he temporarily reverted to his Texan accent 😂
“Who's out there making the money to buy his lunches?”
“I want to be included in decisions about his future, it that means California maybe I can go with him”
W dad
The Big Bang Theory presents Sheldon's dad as a constant drunk and failure of a father, and Mary as the victim in a bad marriage who still managed to raise three kids.
Young Sheldon paints a very different picture. Mary is a toxic and overbearing mother, as well as an ungrateful and domineering wife. Not saying George was a stellar father or husband, but Mary treats him like dirt.
When Sheldon wanted a computer, not only did she reveal to George she had money he didn't know about, but that she can do whatever she likes with it, while when George earns money it has to go to provide for the family. This letter situation shows she does not value George's opinion at all, or anyones other than her own. There are numerous other examples of Mary making decision, big or small, unilaterally that George has a right to be involved in.
Mary Cooper is a bad wife and mother.
So far in 6 seasons of YS, George has never been portrayed as drunk. Yes, he likes beer and drinks a lot of it, however, he's never drunk, which is not true for either Mary or Meemaw. Both have been portrayed as drunk on different occasions. And in TBBT, Sheldon tells many other lies about his father. You would think that he would appreciate George taking up for him about the college attendance, yet adult Sheldon doesn't ever give George credit for any of this.
they are different characters on different shows. The two already have many continuity errors. But TBBT Mary doesn't baby Sheldon. She accommodates is weirdness and accepts he has shortcomings and can be a very motherly figure when an of the characters are a bit down. But she wants him to spread his wings and she kicks his ass when he reverts to toddlerhood and tantrums. She's also quite crude, whether she means to be or not and loves her kids equally- like not going to Sheldon's wedding if George won't come. YS Mary treats Sheldon like a baby bird. His weirdness is to be encouraged and protected and when he reverts back to early childhood behaviour, she pacifies him. Thing is in TBBT the parents and family are both background characters. Here they have to be more fleshed out, and that might mean giving the characters more likeable traits or plots where we are sympathetic to them and also personal growth. The show was also written more than ten years ago. The values of the audience have changed- both in that it is ten years later and that this show seems to be more for young adults and teens, than the original audience. Like original Mary's crudeness or naivety would not work.
@@rocketmom60 i don't think he's telling lies it's just they've changed the whole premise of the family
@MsJubjubbird they may be on different shows but they are not different characters. The developers of YS routinely stress that the show takes place in the same timeline as TBBT, and that everything that happens in YS is canon for TBBT.
@@magnum1118 @magnum1118 officially they are the same character. But the actual reality is that they outcome is that they are written as very different people with minimal continuity, other than being religious, the accent and being motherly. Even then, TBBT Mary uses religion differently to YS Mary and is a different and more equal mother hen. Missy is also very different on TBBT than on the YS, right down to the accent. Even Sheldon is a different character. On YS he's obnoxious and socially unaware but he's not weird and on TBBT he says he's become an uncle for the first time. One of the problems, other than different writers, is they're writing more than ten years after the original was conceived for a period that occurred twenty years before the original show. Huge clash of values that don't make sense.
George is the unsung hero of this show
Sheldon looks so nice in his princess rodeo costume.
Where Which One?
Mary has no great achievement of her own so I get why she want to prevent everyone around her from having one of they're own
She can literally look at her greatest achievement every single day with the most deserving pride... And she deliberately choses to deny him the progress he needs...
The reason Sheldon is selfish and a social wreck is bc of her
I wish Leonard's mom was here to explain to us why you're right
You’re 100% right
Well selfish yeah but social wreck that is not anyone's fault but Sheldon
It's understandable that Mary doesn't want Sheldon to go off to CalTech, but she goes about it in the worst way possible. Not telling Sheldon is fine, if a bit rough, but trying to bury the letter without consulting George is extremely underhanded. It says that she only would have told George if she was certain he would agree to keep Sheldon at home, but she wasn't so she didn't. A real 'My way or the highway' mindset, which is very unhealthy to have in any relationship, between parents/kids or spouses. It's a truly nasty thing to do something like this to anybody, but to double-down when called on it is even worse.
I love it how whenever parents lose the argument they say "Go to your room!", or "That's none of your business!"
This time Mary really stepped into it.
Love how George is on Sheldon’s side, father-son moment right there, rip George
Mary definitely is not the best parent, she coddles Sheldon, stunts his emotional growth. He is afraid of everything because of her. She is an abusive mother for wanting to keep Sheldon tied to her apron strings. Doesn't spend that much time with her other kids😊
Remember the episode when Sheldon lost his job and Leonard called Mary to come talk some sense into him? When Sheldon said he wasn’t coming out of his room for dinner, I would’ve kicked down the door, dragged his ass to the living room, and said ‘SIT DOWN AND EAT!!! You don’t have to converse with anyone but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let you throw a tantrum and hide away like a 4-year-old!!!!!!’
Mary was 100% wrong for not telling George. They should have talked about it and decided together if Sheldon should go or not
It’s understandable that as his mother she wants to protect him…HOWEVER, she can’t do that forever (every kid has to face the real world sooner or later)and she had no right to do that to him ( this recruitment letter could be a great opportunity for him to become something great in the future, no parent has the right to take that away from their kids),most parents would be supportive of their kids getting an opportunity to become successful (whatever it is)she’s just trying to keep him down
would you let your 10 year old go to college by himself 1000 miles away from you?
Yes
@@Mistyshaw29 if it gives them the best shot for having a brighter future then i would do it without hesitation.
Well george could be there he could even probably change job to california@@Mistyshaw29
Watching only a few clips of this show (& bbt) I'm pretty sure Missy recognized that her mom was only paying attention to her because nobody else was available. (& Sheldon wasn't talking to their mom) George sr is back at the bar, Georgie "wasn’t hungry", and memaw was prob'ly out gambling or drinking. Poor missy; her mom's last choice.
George was completely right in this situation.
George cares about Sheldon's future but Mary wants Sheldon to stay with the family rather than moving away from his hometown which is kinda weird. I feel like most parents are happy when their kids have the chance to search huge opportunities. That's why George is a great father
It’s amazing how Mary is protective of Sheldon even to the point of hiding that letter from him
Protective really?? For me it's controlling
A girl I went to high school with got a free ride to some out of state college she was 17 at the time. Her mother always treated her like she was 9 years old from what I heard. She got the letter and her mother said nope you're not going there. She said I'm going and you can't stop me, over the summer she turned 18 and on her 18th birthday she left. I saw her on facebook one night so we started talking, she told me what happened. I asked if her mother still treats her like a kid, she said I don't know I haven't spoken to her since the day she left home about 13 years ago.
Hope she's doing ok
@@elcuentahistorias6781 ... last time we chatted she said she was happy and married to her boyfriend from college.
I just realized this started in 2017, that was after I was out of high school
I can’t get over how old the show is
This comment made me realize that since the show started I had changed more then most characters, that’s insightful.
Mary is fully in the wrong here for hiding the letter.
but religious ppl cant do wrong.....🙄
1:20 "Ones a person, ones a cartoon"
"And you couldn't get either one of em, now answer the question."
😂 underrated line
"You can go as far away as you want!" Bet shes regretting those words to thos day
Mary is a real piece of work.
No parent is perfect...but some are less perfect than others, and Mary is the bigger problem in this relationship.
2:40 well yeah because he was at WORK, making MONEY to SUPPORT THE TWO OF YOU AND YOUR KIDS, which includes YOUR SON
Very true. Mary is a stay-at-home mother. And I'm not trying to rag on them, stay at home parents have some of the hardest jobs on the planet. But she chose to be a stay at home parent and push all financial responsibility onto George. That means longer hours for him to make ends meet. So he CAN'T be there for Sheldon when he's sick. Especially since Mary already volunteered for that position by choosing to stay at home.
I mean it’s not even that she hid it from Sheldon because he is still young and it is still his parents decision but she made the decision without his dad and that’s the real issue. That is absolutely something that they need to be deciding together.
Protecting your young kid is one thing, robbing once in a lifetime offer is another. At least tell him and discuss options.
Mary is actually a horrible mom. First, she spoils Sheldon and turns him into a selfish brat who treats others very poorly, but then she ruins opportunities like this for him. It's a very unhealthy codependent relationship.
She's a terrible wife, too.
She wants control on everything and i think she use Sheldon to control everyone
I mean he's like 9 so I understand why Mary wouldn't want her "baby boy" to go to college yet. But at the same time. He's a genius. Let him go somewhere he will be challenged and learn.
Good for George for standing up for Sheldon and his future.
Crazy enough if George hid something like this from Mary, she'd be with her mother.
Facts bro, Mary is so sensitive and George just has to take it because no one tried to comfort him or tries to even ask if he needs it
1:42 all Right let’s get me Drunk
Sheldon Hi Mr Givins Oh Come on 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love Mr Givens reaction! JAJAJAJAJA... Oh cmon! JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
“You can go away as far as you want” - feels different now :(
It’s interesting how Sheldon so strongly favored his mother in the way he spoke in TBBT, but his father appears to be the one who allowed Sheldon to have the first major opportunity that led to his career.
3:44
Missy’s face 😂
George is the much better parent. Mary is the Crazy Karen.
1:42 😂 This part gets me all the time.
"I'm not taking my son to California, Land of the Heathen!"
- Sheldon's Mom
“I want to be included in decisions about his future”
Imagine all the single mothers who’d KILL to hear that!
Normally I agree with Mary and think she is doing what is best for her kids even when most people are against her but in this situation she is completely wrong. I understand being scared about your baby going far away but you need to be able to voice that to your husband and he needs to be there for you. I think he would been, he is usually pretty good at talking to her and hearing her out. If she really is a traditional Christian mother she would know how important it is to make decisions together and have him lead that. I know she works so hard to take care of the family and most people don't realize how hard it is to take care of kids and a household but she needs to understand he works hard too and should be just as involved in the kids lives.
Yeah, George got angry because he was kept in the dark.
They both actually make good points.
Even without having seen TBBT it's obvious Mary is going to die alone.
She doesn’t die alone in TBBT.
Well, the show ends before she does, so we don't know that for sure. She does have a hook-up later in life...
@@foxbat1766 yeah after the narcissistic birch stands on a street corner near the ruined Branch Division compound for a few hours
Georgie's really touching up that tire lol 🤣🤣
Gonna be honest George was the better parent in everything regarding Sheldon, he didn’t take the Texas university job or Oklahoma because she didn’t want him to
I still maintain that a majority of the Cooper family of characters derive most of their problems from Mary.
I can`t believe she would do something like that. She wants Sheldon to settle and not achieve. I think George is the better parent when it come to handling the kids.
1:42 - 1:44 isn’t that Lynn Loud Sr from The Really Loud House?
It lets you know where a couples marriage is when they don’t want to send the child away but the mother says to the father you can go as far as you want. I haven’t even seen the show and I was waiting for someone to bring up divorce!
I think George dies before any divorce situation would have occurred, but there was also George's infidelity, likely spurred on by years of this kind of behavior by Mary...
if this takes place during the Cold War, I don't think they ever would have considered divorce. it was a topic that was frowned upon in those days. I can infer based on 9-5 and Mad Men that divorce must not have been something that was often considered as an option. those who were divorced from husbands were given looks of pity. this all leads me to think, even if George and Mary were having a failing marriage they wouldn't have thought to get divorce. I also think Mary wouldn't consider divorce because she is so religious, I can see her taking her view of til death do we part really seriously.
George should take Sheldon to calafornia as since Sheldon wants to go, Mary doesn’t have a say
Mary was a failed parent as her kids never wanted to talk to her about anything.
Mary was totally in the wrong! All she did was coddle and baby Sheldon. Everything had to be her way or the highway. For her not to even include George in this, George was right to get upset with her. Missy on the other hand blaming Sheldon for the arguing and then calling him a “freak”, hated her! Missy was such a little brat and she made Sheldon feel worse. Mary was being selfish, George was right. Glad Sheldon asked for his dad and didn’t go to Mary when George opened the door.
Letter aside, I'm reminded of that episode of Dexter's lab, where he went to college but got sent back due to his antics
Maybe geroge sr is the reason why Sheldon is now a physics. If it wouldn't for him Sheldon is still living in texas