B.T.C. PART 4. PLEASE CONTINUE TO DEEP DIVE ON ANY SUBJECT RELATED TO RELOADING. U ARE ADDRESSING SO MANY PROBLEMS I AM HAVING SINCE I STARTED THIS ACTIVITY 2 YRS AGO. U GIVE FAR AND AWAY MORE INFO THAN ANYBODY ON UTUBE THAT THE ALGORITHUM TAKES ME TO. THANKYOU FOR ALL U DO.
At 19 minutes in you’re talking about me. Lol. I likely will never be consumed by the accuracy desire this series is educating us to. However, it’s exciting knowledge to learn and put in the bank in case I do decide to go that route. It’s also cool to know I’m not crazy for noting in my own experiences when the Ram is harder or softer when sizing and/or seating. Thanks for all the knowledge you’re willing to share so freely and helping me grow.
This series has been very informative and the detail and quality of explanations is top notch . Really appreciate the effort you put into these videos.
Awesome series. It's good to know that I'm not the only person who will totally nerd out on something to make it as good as it can be. Half of your toybox is totally out of my budget for the time being, but the knowledge is still really good to have . It's also a good thing you don't worry too much about the TH-cam ratings, because this appears to be a channel for people who want to understand the entire body of information . And I can see how this level of detail might overload some people. But as for me, I really enjoy it.
I have been reloading for years and I just now got serious about it. I have retooled most of my gear due to wear and or just of better quality. I have learned quite a bit from your videos and I love the content and how up front and honest you are. Thanknyou
Greg your approach and outlook is very refreshing, the world will be a better place with more people like you......thank you for your honesty and brilliant content....keep it up please....
I’m over here trimming with my Lyman xpress and just got my first set of mitutoyos banging away on my Rockchucker happy with groups of 1 Moa and taking pics of touching groups from my hunting rifles and this video is a goldmine of info. Thanks. Subbing now
I agree with your analysis on the Henderson trimmer. I don't own one because I have a Giraud, but if the Giraud wasn't available I would be owning a Henderson at this point in time. Most important thing, for me, is to remember I never get anywhere putting others down. It's far better to lift those up around you, and by so doing you get to grow too. This type of thinking Greg comes from a belief in Christ I think, and that's possibly why some may miss it. One good thing about it though, it's still an opportunity to help others grow; maybe, even more than their shooting abilities.
Part 4 was an excellent wrap up to this series. I would like to thank you for the reminder about ethics. It is far to common to hear the demonization of fine products in an attempt to curry favor. Well said!
This has been a great Case Trimming series. I have learned things that I never knew about or considered in the past. Ignore the ignorant doubters and haters, they will always be ignorant doubters and haters that know very little about most things that you talk about.
A great series and very well said about trimmers. I happen to own a Henderson trimmer and for me that works. People get their panties in an uproar over nothing. It the sign of the times with polarization all around us. Thanks
Greg, I love the discussion in how you explain the category of shooters and their equipment. I myself am a slightly more than a casual shooter, but I prefer apex equipment for all the right reasons. I really enjoy learning from your vast knowledge and experience of what matters and how I can better myself in my discipline. Keep doing what you're doing, some people just don't understand.
Another great video. And yes, you're right on about all the Debbie Downers of the shooting community. There's a group of them I call Pricision Rifle Snobs. I don't give them the time of day.
Thank you!!! For your honesty on this subject. Being a professional hunting an fishing guide for 32 years I have seen so much more bad then good. When you can tell who or what your dealing with by there first group before a hunt or there first cast you learn these thing's if you have the mind set like yourself that "one you get out of what time you put into it" an "you get what you pay for" this can only accurately be acknowledged if practiced. Hearing this from you from a guy that only shoots about 3000 rounds a year but demands accuracy makes me feel that the extra money I spend on reloading equipment is worth it. Your primer tool next. Thank you.
Thank you for your honesty , you are obviously experienced in what you share . I will never be happy with my accuracy. Thanks again for sharing you knowledge.
Thank you for this great content Greg,you are a wealth of knowledge. I was just admiring your stacks of berger bullets🤩. Dang thats purdy!! I love berger.
Just watched Eric Cortina's interview with Jack Neary about brass trimming. They echoed a lot of your comments and also described as you did the multiple variables involved in brass trimming. When testing multiple variables such as involved in brass trimming, I have learned over a 30 year career in looking at geophysical date to CHANGE ONLY ONE varuable at a time! The lure of saving time and expense is real but don;t fall for it. When things (in this case -accuracy) goes south, the doubts created by testing multiple variables at once will come flooding back and you will have to go back and test the vriables again - this time individually...
How do you feel about the hornady case trimmer. That would uniformly trim the cases better than the Lyman case prep center or most other prep stations.?. I've watched all 4 trimming videos and last one #3, midway or towards the end or this video lmao Idk doesn't matter, you talked about "annealing". I'm sure I'll be learning a long time and I pay close attention to detail and I'm a hands on, visual learner. I learn fast and am precise about my work. Do you have a video that shows exactly, step by step, the process you take that you mentioned at 8.41min in this video; fire, annealing, resizing, tumbling, trimming? I'm just getting started, I bought the hornady lnl progressive press. I know it may be a lot to start off with, I'm not worried, I just trying to soak up as much knowledge. Thank you for putting together the trimming and other knowledgeable videos. I'm probably going to rewatch them a few times. Don't want to miss anything. What's the apprenticeship about? Do you use a concentricity tool? I researched a lot or them but felt hornady's was the most useful. Even though you can't measure different parts of the case. I never realized there were so many measurements.
Love your series!! I appreciate the indepth knowledge process you shared in this series. Do you have any advise on how short or long you trim brass for best results?
I think the goal of trimming should be a constant length of bullet to case neck contact. If your chamber is cut correctly, the bullet shouldn’t be seated past the neck shoulder junction. That means that if you trim based off the shoulder location you’ll get constant neck length. If you have a variance in shoulder location though you’ll get an inconsistent length of bullet brass contact. Bullets are seated base off the distance from the base of the case, not where the shoulder is. If you trim for case OAL you may get variation in neck length but the length that the bullet will be in contact with the case neck will be the same every time no matter how the should is bumped. I hope this makes sense. It’s easier to draw this on paper but TH-cam won’t let us upload pictures.
My goals are very different from other people. I love to punch paper . But my goal is always to shoot a groundhog in the eyeball@ 300 yds. With every rifle that I own, from 22 LR up to 45 /70.
Too bad you won't be posting in the forums anymore. Though, I hear ya on laying off the shooting/hunting forums. I cringe every time I hit "post"! I know that I'll be sorting through dozens of comments to get 3 good answers. The rest are either completely irrelevant, off-the-mark, off the topic, downright idiotic, or (a lot) are just plain belligerent! I take the few good answers, make fun of a few idiots (easy targets) for inconveniencing me (to get them angry typing), then unfollow the thread. Enjoying your content! Thank you for the hard work and valuable information!
Question, when it comes to trimming we understand Saami Spec has an over all length for a cartridge in production. But not all custom chambers are made equal and that may go for common factory chambers as well. So in a rifle chamber where we have the case body and neck cut out from a reamer, followed by a throat or freebore space before the actual rifling. We know the case neck will stop at the start of the freebore. But is there a rule of thumb or a specific distance as to how close we should or should not get to the freebore/throat??? Because a case gets longer along with the neck during fire forming and we talk about trimming, okay but just how long can we let a neck go, as long its not pushing into the throat? Or do we always trim to saami spec regardless???
@@primalrights Excellent okay that's fare enough, .007 to just before the actual stop point at the start of the throat / freebore. I was curious because I have found over time that the chambers vary b/w rifles and makers And many times you can have a longer neck than Saami and yet still have safe distance before the freebore.
Well... no more range pickups for me damnit. You ruined a favorite pass time for me. It was like treasure hunting. But if I can get 1 moa loads to .5 moa loads it will be worth it. Thank you!
Do you anel everytime? You said you don't set the shoulder measure till you've fired several times so I'm curious about your preferred method on aneeling.
as long as the necks aren’t incredibly tight I have no contact in the necks with the henderson. i feel like there has to be a fix to complete fool proof it though (maybe delrin pilots?)
@@samimanninen1417 How is a nylon brush suppose to be fitted to the henderson trimmer, and how is it suppose to keep the neck uniformly trimmed if it's not able to hold the case perfectly centered... considering that is the entire purpose of a pilot in the first place?
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B.T.C. PART 4. PLEASE CONTINUE TO DEEP DIVE ON ANY SUBJECT RELATED TO RELOADING. U ARE ADDRESSING SO MANY PROBLEMS I AM HAVING SINCE I STARTED THIS ACTIVITY 2 YRS AGO. U GIVE FAR AND AWAY MORE INFO THAN ANYBODY ON UTUBE THAT THE ALGORITHUM TAKES ME TO. THANKYOU FOR ALL U DO.
At 19 minutes in you’re talking about me. Lol. I likely will never be consumed by the accuracy desire this series is educating us to. However, it’s exciting knowledge to learn and put in the bank in case I do decide to go that route.
It’s also cool to know I’m not crazy for noting in my own experiences when the Ram is harder or softer when sizing and/or seating.
Thanks for all the knowledge you’re willing to share so freely and helping me grow.
This series has been very informative and the detail and quality of explanations is top notch . Really appreciate the effort you put into these videos.
Awesome series. It's good to know that I'm not the only person who will totally nerd out on something to make it as good as it can be.
Half of your toybox is totally out of my budget for the time being, but the knowledge is still really good to have .
It's also a good thing you don't worry too much about the TH-cam ratings, because this appears to be a channel for people who want to understand the entire body of information . And I can see how this level of detail might overload some people. But as for me, I really enjoy it.
I have been reloading for years and I just now got serious about it. I have retooled most of my gear due to wear and or just of better quality.
I have learned quite a bit from your videos and I love the content and how up front and honest you are.
Thanknyou
Greg your approach and outlook is very refreshing, the world will be a better place with more people like you......thank you for your honesty and brilliant content....keep it up please....
I’m over here trimming with my Lyman xpress and just got my first set of mitutoyos banging away on my Rockchucker happy with groups of 1 Moa and taking pics of touching groups from my hunting rifles and this video is a goldmine of info. Thanks. Subbing now
I agree with your analysis on the Henderson trimmer. I don't own one because I have a Giraud, but if the Giraud wasn't available I would be owning a Henderson at this point in time.
Most important thing, for me, is to remember I never get anywhere putting others down. It's far better to lift those up around you, and by so doing you get to grow too.
This type of thinking Greg comes from a belief in Christ I think, and that's possibly why some may miss it. One good thing about it though, it's still an opportunity to help others grow; maybe, even more than their shooting abilities.
Part 4 was an excellent wrap up to this series. I would like to thank you for the reminder about ethics. It is far to common to hear the demonization of fine products in an attempt to curry favor. Well said!
This has been a great Case Trimming series. I have learned things that I never knew about or considered in the past. Ignore the ignorant doubters and haters, they will always be ignorant doubters and haters that know very little about most things that you talk about.
A great series and very well said about trimmers. I happen to own a Henderson trimmer and for me that works. People get their panties in an uproar over nothing. It the sign of the times with polarization all around us. Thanks
This series is spot on and by far the best I have seen, and I have seen some :-)
Greg, I love the discussion in how you explain the category of shooters and their equipment. I myself am a slightly more than a casual shooter, but I prefer apex equipment for all the right reasons. I really enjoy learning from your vast knowledge and experience of what matters and how I can better myself in my discipline. Keep doing what you're doing, some people just don't understand.
Another great video. And yes, you're right on about all the Debbie Downers of the shooting community. There's a group of them I call Pricision Rifle Snobs. I don't give them the time of day.
Thank you!!! For your honesty on this subject. Being a professional hunting an fishing guide for 32 years I have seen so much more bad then good. When you can tell who or what your dealing with by there first group before a hunt or there first cast you learn these thing's if you have the mind set like yourself that "one you get out of what time you put into it" an "you get what you pay for" this can only accurately be acknowledged if practiced. Hearing this from you from a guy that only shoots about 3000 rounds a year but demands accuracy makes me feel that the extra money I spend on reloading equipment is worth it. Your primer tool next. Thank you.
Thank you for your honesty , you are obviously experienced in what you share . I will never be happy with my accuracy. Thanks again for sharing you knowledge.
Love this channel and considerations
Thank you for this great content Greg,you are a wealth of knowledge. I was just admiring your stacks of berger bullets🤩. Dang thats purdy!! I love berger.
Very kind! Thank you.
Just watched Eric Cortina's interview with Jack Neary about brass trimming. They echoed a lot of your comments and also described as you did the multiple variables involved in brass trimming. When testing multiple variables such as involved in brass trimming, I have learned over a 30 year career in looking at geophysical date to CHANGE ONLY ONE varuable at a time! The lure of saving time and expense is real but don;t fall for it. When things (in this case -accuracy) goes south, the doubts created by testing multiple variables at once will come flooding back and you will have to go back and test the vriables again - this time individually...
Honesty is priceless.
How do you feel about the hornady case trimmer. That would uniformly trim the cases better than the Lyman case prep center or most other prep stations.?. I've watched all 4 trimming videos and last one #3, midway or towards the end or this video lmao Idk doesn't matter, you talked about "annealing". I'm sure I'll be learning a long time and I pay close attention to detail and I'm a hands on, visual learner. I learn fast and am precise about my work. Do you have a video that shows exactly, step by step, the process you take that you mentioned at 8.41min in this video; fire, annealing, resizing, tumbling, trimming? I'm just getting started, I bought the hornady lnl progressive press. I know it may be a lot to start off with, I'm not worried, I just trying to soak up as much knowledge. Thank you for putting together the trimming and other knowledgeable videos. I'm probably going to rewatch them a few times. Don't want to miss anything. What's the apprenticeship about? Do you use a concentricity tool? I researched a lot or them but felt hornady's was the most useful. Even though you can't measure different parts of the case. I never realized there were so many measurements.
The CPS is by far the best! There is no substitute!
Great help, thanks
I think you doing a great job 👍🙏
Thanks for your video. You are great teachers
Love your series!! I appreciate the indepth knowledge process you shared in this series. Do you have any advise on how short or long you trim brass for best results?
Leave it long, but uniformly to the shortest in the batch… if you don’t know your chamber neck length.
I love how I'm subscribed and not getting notifications! Thanks anti 2a TH-cam
You have all notifications turned on with the little bell icon?
@@primalrights yes sir!
I think the goal of trimming should be a constant length of bullet to case neck contact. If your chamber is cut correctly, the bullet shouldn’t be seated past the neck shoulder junction. That means that if you trim based off the shoulder location you’ll get constant neck length. If you have a variance in shoulder location though you’ll get an inconsistent length of bullet brass contact. Bullets are seated base off the distance from the base of the case, not where the shoulder is.
If you trim for case OAL you may get variation in neck length but the length that the bullet will be in contact with the case neck will be the same every time no matter how the should is bumped.
I hope this makes sense. It’s easier to draw this on paper but TH-cam won’t let us upload pictures.
Sorry, but that’s actually the opposite of what happens.
@@primalrights care to explain?
@@scubaman2288 lol… I literally explain it in a previous episode.
@@primalrights If you can keep an open mind send me your email and i’ll send you a diagram.
Well said brother!
My goals are very different from other people. I love to punch paper . But my goal is always to shoot a groundhog in the eyeball@ 300 yds. With every rifle that I own, from 22 LR up to 45 /70.
Too bad you won't be posting in the forums anymore. Though, I hear ya on laying off the shooting/hunting forums. I cringe every time I hit "post"! I know that I'll be sorting through dozens of comments to get 3 good answers. The rest are either completely irrelevant, off-the-mark, off the topic, downright idiotic, or (a lot) are just plain belligerent! I take the few good answers, make fun of a few idiots (easy targets) for inconveniencing me (to get them angry typing), then unfollow the thread.
Enjoying your content! Thank you for the hard work and valuable information!
One press question - do you use Area 419 Zero?
If you had to use a Henderson trimmer, how would you have it setup is my question?
Awesome content thanks 👍
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Do you cull cases that get dinged mouths, or try to save them?
@@dwil350 depends on severity.
I get it now , i bought a geraurd because im looking for apex
Question, when it comes to trimming we understand Saami Spec has an over all length for a cartridge in production. But not all custom chambers are made equal and that may go for common factory chambers as well. So in a rifle chamber where we have the case body and neck cut out from a reamer, followed by a throat or freebore space before the actual rifling. We know the case neck will stop at the start of the freebore. But is there a rule of thumb or a specific distance as to how close we should or should not get to the freebore/throat??? Because a case gets longer along with the neck during fire forming and we talk about trimming, okay but just how long can we let a neck go, as long its not pushing into the throat? Or do we always trim to saami spec regardless???
You can let it go to within 7 thousandths or so to the end of your chamber.
@@primalrights Excellent okay that's fare enough, .007 to just before the actual stop point at the start of the throat / freebore. I was curious because I have found over time that the chambers vary b/w rifles and makers And many times you can have a longer neck than Saami and yet still have safe distance before the freebore.
Well... no more range pickups for me damnit. You ruined a favorite pass time for me. It was like treasure hunting. But if I can get 1 moa loads to .5 moa loads it will be worth it. Thank you!
Do you anel everytime? You said you don't set the shoulder measure till you've fired several times so I'm curious about your preferred method on aneeling.
Yes, I anneal every firing.
@@primalrights which method do you recommend? I've reloaded for a number of years. But have never aneeled.
as long as the necks aren’t incredibly tight I have no contact in the necks with the henderson.
i feel like there has to be a fix to complete fool proof it though (maybe delrin pilots?)
I can’t think of a material that can rotate inside the neck and not be a bad thing. No easy way to ensure uniformity.
@@primalrights F-Class John test Nylon Brush and if I remember correctly, he liked the result.
@@samimanninen1417 How is a nylon brush suppose to be fitted to the henderson trimmer, and how is it suppose to keep the neck uniformly trimmed if it's not able to hold the case perfectly centered... considering that is the entire purpose of a pilot in the first place?