Top 4 table tennis glues comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2024
- In this video I will do a review and comparison of glues for table tennis rubbers. I have chosen 4 glues that are known as the best in the table tennis community and I will do some tests with them.
- Butterfly Free Chack Pro II
- Nittaku Finezip
- REvolution No.3 Medium Odourless
- DHS No.15
PDF document with data and ratings:
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How to remove a rubber from blade and put a new rubber + tips&tricks: • How to remove a rubber... - กีฬา
This is honestly one of the best TT review channels. Not just some anecdotal fluff but actually backed by proper analysis and data.
Thanks for the nice words. I appreciate it and I'm glad you like it.
Although seemingly not such an important topic, there is no good table tennis without gluing good and high-quality glue. Professionals do not have to think about how, when and with what to stick the rubber on the blade, that is done for them by a special person in charge, but for amateurs it is a very important topic. And it's not just about which glue we'll use when gluing, but it's more important which glue comes off quickly and efficiently and doesn't damage the surface of the racket. Thanks to Dario for this professional presentation 👍
Nenad, thanks to you too for your comment and shared opinion.
Very in-depth review as always. Your videos are very valuable to the table tennis community and the effort you put into your videos really shows. I would be interested in seeing you review/ compare more hybrid rubbers such as Andro Rasanter C53, Joola Dynayrz ZGX, Tibhar Hybrid K3, etc. Thank you again for your amazing content.
Thank you for such nice compliments. I'm glad I can help.
As for the mentioned hybrid rubbers, there will definitely be something, but I can't promise when and which ones.
Excelente video amigo, sin duda uno de los mejores canales de tenis de mesa :)
muchas gracias. Me alegro de que te guste :)
Thank you Dario, I'm using DHS 15, I'm happy. You are correct thst you used for the test the Chinese rubbers. If you take softer rubbers, you won't be able to remove it at all. I have trubles to remove only 2 layers of glue from the rubber... it usually goes with sponge dummage... So, if the sponge is not hard better don't remove 2 layers from the rubber... wait until 4 or more glue layers are on the rubber. I damaged a couple of my rubbers before I realized that. If i don't use DHS 15, i would need to wait even more layers than 4 to remove it safe. If you use DHS wait 40-60 minutes to get it dry, even longer 60 if you are not sure.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Finally a good video comparing different types of glue. Awesome! 👍🏻
I'm really surprised that removing R3 proved to be so tedious. After all, they market it as being easy to remove.
thanks for the compliments. yes, I was also very surprised by R3
Zanimljiva tema Dario, svaka čast.
Odličan video, kao i uvijek👍
hvala ti
Hi , Dario. Thank you for the detailed review. Talking about the Revolution No.3 Normal (the least viscous), and not "improved" w/out ammonia. The first few times I used it was painfully difficult to remove from the sponge. Nevertheless after sealing very well my blades, the 2 layers of glue from the blade were left on the rubber which added up to 4 layers of glue. Then it was as easy as the commercials were stating. Maybe there's the science of releasing the glue easily from both the blade and the rubber.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm not really a fan of blade sealing. I don't want to change the blade properties and the DHS #15 does a good job so I'll continue to use it for now.
The best review. Thank you very much!
Thnx. I'm glad you like it.
I have tried free chack, free chack 2, dhs no 15 and tear mender. Tear mender is great for ease of removal from blade and sponge but the glue bonding strength is weak. Free chack bonding is strong but glue is hard to remove from sponge if you want to reglue frequently on other blades to try out different combinations . The best glue is dhs no 15. It spreads so easily and even 1 thin layer on blade and sponge is good enough for a strong bond. The glue is also easy to remove and reglue
thanks for sharing your experience
DHS 15 anyday lol. The free chak ii pro damage my butterfly sponge a lot.
I like this very much. You are a serious table tennis expert!
Thank you. I'm glad you like it.
Thank you, very well done! 👍
Thank you too!
Thanks for making this video, i was searching a while back some type of comparison but couldn't find. I only use one of the glues you tried and it's revolution no 3, but my experience with this glue is very good. It will help if you are spreading an even amount of glue and use 2 layers on the blade and 2-3 on the rubber sponge, but it will add weight so be aware. If you use 1 layer on the blade and 2 on the rubber sponge then the glue will come of much harder because it is overall a thin layer. I also had this issue when i glued like that and was confused, much like yourself, seeing the old presentation video of the Revolution no 3 glue and how easy should the removal process ought to be. If you only apply 1 layer of glue on the blade and 2 on the rubber sponge, for removing the glue you have to apply another 1 or 2 layers of glue, let it dry and then try to remove, or do the same as in the beggining (1 on the blade and 2 on the rubber sponge, this way you have a thick layer of glue on the rubber) and then try to remove. Glue viscosity may affect removal process but i have not tested all three variants. The odourless variant is so much better to use because the smell of the original revolution no 3 is pretty bad.
Thanks for sharing your experience and information. I assumed that with more layers the results would be better, but I don't want to add more layers, because my racket is already too heavy. In addition to the weight problem, the price also becomes an issue. It is no longer the cheapest glue in the test, because it is needed twice as much as the others. Of course, then you need to spend more time to apply so many layers. Basically, more weight, more cost, more time... just NO in my opinion.
@@DarioGrd How is the glue from DHS with regards to smell? I'm considering to buy some, to try out.
@@stefandragomirescu4777 It's ok, there's a slight smell, but nothing terrible.
Have you ever tried DHS No.15 on a racket without any type of treatment (lacquer, varnish, etc.)?
In general, "pure" rackets have more grippy wood. For stronger glues this can be a big problem, causing the racket to shed fuzz, but since DHS No.15 is weaker, I think it would suddenly be adhesive enough with untreated racket, while not would cause damage to the blade.
If you haven't tried it, here's my suggestion for testing it.
I would be particularly interested in this one, I'm about to receive a Stiga Allround Classic that leaves the factory without treatment, and I was looking for a glue that wouldn't damage it when changing rubbers, as this would avoid the extra headache of having to seal the blade.
These 4 Butterfly blades from the test were not additionally treated, but I don't know what exactly was done with them in the factory.
I tried DHS #15 on some other blades that are varnished and as expected, it holds even less than on this Viscaria from the test.
@@DarioGrd Perfect Dario. Thank you very much for your attention.
I have the same experience as you with DHS glue and with Revolution 3. Even though I use only one layer.... Also I don't even bother removing revolution, but instead of removing, it I keep old layer and glue with it.
Yes, it is possible to do it once or twice, but it is very easy to get unevenly distributed glue and then problems arise, and this is then also visible on the topsheet.
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Haifu White Glue is the one I play best with on FH.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Definitely an interesting glue, should try it 🙂
Hi Dario, first of all thanks for a great video again! Can you tell us the name of that thingy you used to remove the glue and where to buy it?
Hi. Thnx. Of course I can. It will probably be easiest if I just put the link and I think everything will be clear 🙂en.butterfly.tt/remover.html
Bravo Dario, super video. Baš sam nedavno kupio Revolution no. 3 radi lakog skidanja ljepila sa spužve, kad ono.....
da 😟 koju verziju REvolutiona si kupio? isto je ova odourless?
@@DarioGrd da, isto ta odourless, samo viskoznost normal. Nisam još skidao gume, ali vjerojatno me čeka isto....
@@filippavlovic4931 ufff... nadam se da ćeš proći bolje, ali svakako javi kako je prošlo
@@DarioGrd hehe, nadam se, ali teško. Javim. lp
Thanks for the video. In France, some players use "Sader Couture" which is latex glue for textile from Bostik. It's cheap and much easier to remove from rubber than Rev 3 and Free Chack. I guess the right name in English is "fabric glue" or "textile glue" and is used as an alternative to sewing. Is it the same in Croatia?
Thanks for sharing this information. I've heard about it before, but I've never tried it myself, I've always used only table tennis glues. I also don't know if anyone in Croatia uses that or some other latex fabric glue.
Zdravo. Da podelim moje iskustvo... Koristim sigurno bar 6-7-8 godina iskljucivo Rev 3 ... i normal i medium, ali uvek onaj sa mirisom amonijaka. Obzirom da vecinom kod mene zavrse sve te intervencije oko guma i drva za ceo klub, prosecno potrosim bar 700-800 ml svakih 10-12 meseci. I mogu da kazem da nikada ovakav problem nisam imao. Da opisem proces najcesceg lepljenja ... 2 x daska, 2 x guma, susenje mlakim fenom na 40-50cm. Recimo da ovako odokativno, stavljam bar 20-30% manje po sloju nego sto ste Vi stavili. Znaci manje.
Proces skidanja ...Posle recimo nedelju dana na 90% reketa, kada se skida guma, 95% celokupnog lepka bude na gumi. Fakticki na gumi su 4 sloja. Hoce da bude vise lepka po ostecenim, izgrebanim drvima. Malo zahvatim po obodu granulicu lepka i bukvalno za najvise 1 min skinem sve 100%. Uvek idem u krug - sa oboda gume prema centru. Kod tvrdjih sundjera >=45 bude jedna finalna "loptica". Kod meksih hoce ponekad da se prekine i pukne, te budu dve, tri. Ali, kazem, retko mi treba vise od 1min. Na tvrdjim sundjerima bude bukvalno za 20-30s. Bitno je kod skidanja da prsti budu sto blize gumi, i da se povlaci minimalno da lepak ne bi pucao. Sa meksih sundjera moze ponekada da podje po zlu, ali to je stvarno stvarno retko. Tada obicno stavim jos 2 tanka sloja, osusim fenom, sacekam 30 min, i skine se bez problema. Recimo da pocesto lepim joola energy x-tra i na njoj sa normalom nemam problema.
E sad .. kod lakiranih drva bolje je koristiti medium (mozda cak i high). Ako se koristi normal, hoce da bude problem posle nekoliko treninga, te da guma popusti. Skoro sam imao problem sa Matadorom, i to sa povrsinom koja nije kao staklo, znaci ona gde ne ide materijal nego glatka guma. MX-P nije izdrzao ni 2 treninga, te sam morao da tu stranu vrlo blago prodjem brusnim papirom 600 i onda je sve bilo ok.
U pricipu, vise volim da radim sa normal, bolje se i lepse razmaze, bolje i ujednacenije moze da se nanese 3-4 sloja na gumu, jer neki igraci za svoje kombinacije tako traze. Mozda cak 3 sloja normala, naprave i bolji film iste debljine kao 2 x medium, pa se kasnije lakse skine (ali ovo je samo pretpostavka, nisam detaljno istrazio).
Kada malo bolje razmislim, zaboravio sam kako se koristi neki drugi lepak. :). Mnogo flasa proslo, najvise normala. Jos jedna stvar .. ovaj lepak treba kupovati namenski i planski sto se tice kolicine. Primetio sam da lepak u tubi otvorenoj pre recimo, hmmm 10-11 meseci nije vise isti, pocinje da se zgrudvava. Mozda bi se sa takvim lepkom i desavalo i lose lepljenje i jos gore skidanje. Doduse uvek sam imao novopristiglu tubu, takav stari nikada nisam ni koristio. Ta mala kolicina se baci.
U svakom slucaju mnogo mi je znacilo sto ste prikazali kako funkcionise DHS No.15. Svidja mi se. U prvom trenutku sam pomislio da ste mozda pomesali tubu koju snimate uz gumu gde se lepak tako jednostavno skida. Mozda probamo i njega uskoro. Pozdrav
Puno ti hvala na dijeljenju svog iskustva i detaljnom objašnjenju procesa. Sigurno će ovo pomoći dosta ljudi.
Nisam uspio napraviti ponovni test sa starom verzijom Rev 3 koja ima miris amonijaka. Još uvijek mislim da je tu bio problem s Rev3.
Što se tiče DHS No.15, da, meni se definitivno pokazao kao najbolji i koristim ga cijelo vrijeme, ali ako nemaš problema sa skidanjem ostataka Rev3 ljepila s gume i dobro ti drži nemoj mijenjati, jer DHS No.15 se lako skida s gume, ali nije dovoljno snažan i ne drži gumu tako čvrsto. Ako nemaš zaštitnu trakicu po rubu reketa i udariš s gumom po stolu dosta je velika vjerojatnost da će se guma lagano na tom mjestu odljepiti.
@@DarioGrd Ovaj bez mirisa amonijaka nikada nisam probao, ali gledajuci ovaj tvoj snimak - sigurno ga necemo uzimati. Bez obzira o cemu se radilo. U sustini Rev 3 se vise trosi nego recimo Joola Lex (sa kojim takodje imam od ranije iskustva, odlicno lepi i drzi, ali je skidanje haos :( :)). Sto se tice trajnosti, tj "svezine reketa" i odbijanja loptice, takodje mogu da kazem da je moje misljenje da prilicno dugo reket ne gubi prvobitnu brzinu. Ako bas treba da kazem neki vremenski rok, neka to bude bar 3-4 meseca, posle treba prelepiti .. ako je lepljen 2+2 sloja. U svaom slucaju mnogo je dobro sto si uradio ovakav test. Sa zadovoljstvom sam gledao i neke druge tvoje video snimke. Pozdrav
@@ttennis7988 hvala ti. Budem isprobao još neka druga ljepila pa možda ponovno napravim novi test :)
Thank you. Short question: why 2 layers of glue? From an amateur only view shops gluing with hair driers. Does it help to get a stronger skin to peel off in the end?
the more layers of glue you apply, the easier it is to remove the glue from the blade and rubber later, and it also gains a little speed
Did you had the chance to test falco optimum glue ? it's says its good for boosted rubber because it give back some hardness lost with the boosting.
I haven't had a chance to try it, but it sounds interesting.
Do you know of any glue that stays very sticky after drying? Donic Vario Clean was like that, but the last time I bought it - was not sticky after drying, just like normal TT glues... So I am looking for an alternative. Which glue stays very sticky after drying?
Sorry, I'm not familiar with that kind of glue. Have you maybe tried Donic Blue Contact? I've heard it's sticky, but I've never tried it.
If you would have applied another layer on the rubbers after removing them, you could have taken them off as easily as with the dhs..
Completely clear, but the purpose of this video is not that, but to show exactly how difficult or easy it is to remove glues that were tested under the same conditions.
Before this video, I recorded a video in which I demonstrate how to remove the glue and I mention exactly this, that if the old glue is difficult to remove, it is necessary to add another slightly thicker layer. But that doesn't make sense for this video, all the glues had the same conditions, three layers of glue and then compare how each one comes off.
Compare with Andro Pro Glue, what the different bro ?
I haven't tried Andro Pro Glue, so I can't comment
Hello brother please make your videos in english i know you have subtitles but it will be easy for us to understand properly
Thanks for the suggestion, but my goal was to promote table tennis and to help players in my country, Croatia. Where there is almost no table tennis content online. That's why I started the channel, but since a lot of people outside of Croatia liked the content of the channel, then I decided to add English subtitles and an introduction in English, but I would still like to stay consistent with my initial intention. It would probably be much easier for me if everything was in English, because creating subtitles for each video takes an extremely long time.
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I would rather use the brush part of the butterfly remover to remove excess glue from the rubber. I tried it with the yellow part and it destroyed my rubber.
As I said in the video this is a hard dense sponge. With soft and porous sponges, you should always use common sense.
As for the brush, I use it to clean up bits of leftover glue that are no longer holding tight.
Maybe you could have included on sealed blades, and boosted rubbers.
Good idea. For another test, I could also include sealed blade to see the difference.
All 4 rubbers that were tested were boosted, some more, some less. That's why I had a little trouble applying the glue because the rubbers were bent.
@dario grd: The Revolution no.3 is made in Romania, not in China! Also, to peel of easily the glue , you must have at least 4 or 5 layers, not only 3, and it will come off as advertised!
Thanks for the correction. I thought it was made in China because I found information that it is a Chinese company.
As for additional layers... I assumed that with more layers the results would be better, but I don't want to add more layers, because my racket is already too heavy. In addition to the weight problem, the price also becomes an issue. It is no longer the cheapest glue in the test, because it is needed twice as much as the others. Of course, then you need to spend more time to apply so many layers. Basically, more weight, more cost, more time...
@@DarioGrd Yes, regarding the peel off criteria, it's all about the viscosity of the glue. The No5 and FineZip being more thick, the layer of latex (glue) that result after drying is more consistent, and it peel off easily. If 4 or 5 layers of revolution nr.3 layers of glue is applied, it will result an layer of glue as thick as the No5 or FineZip, at the same weight (Rev. No3 being less dense). So, only downside is the time used to glue the rubber and more glue used, decreasing the advantage of price/ml that Rev No.3 has, keeping the same weight as the others.
Or, just buy the high viscosity version Revolution No. 3 that has the same as DHS No5, at the same price, keeping the price and time advantage unchanged.
@@claudiucalarasi as I said in the video, I will most likely try the high viscosity version. Hope that solves all problems.
Do you know if there is any difference between the odourless version and the normal old version in terms of ease of removal?
@@DarioGrd Yes, the odor version is just better than the odorless version. I had the the following versions: odor high and medium viscosity and odorless medium viscosity. The odorless is not as elastic as the odor version.
Poz. Treba mi savjet. Igram stolni tenis i htjeo bi da kupim dobar reket. Jedan upgrade, buđjet nije ograničen.Ṣ̌to se tiče igre tu sam negdje advanced. Mislio sam kupiti isti Butterfly Fan Z ALC kao u videu. Dali je to previṣ̌e dobar reket za mene? Ako je ok, jeli možeṣ̌ preporučiti forehand i bachand gume? Stil mi je napadač, dominiram mnogo forehand i serviram 90% sa forehand strane. Može i neka druga preporuka za reket umjesto Fan Z ALC ali mi je taj pao na oko😂Hvala
Pozdrav. Ako si advanced kao što si napisao i napadač, onda je FZD ALC drvo dobar odabir. Što se tiče guma, teško je preporučiti ako ne napišeš nešto više o stilu igre i što ti od guma odgovara. Mekše, tvrđe, tensor, hibridne, kineske... Da li više igraš na stolu, od stola... Više igraš s rotacijskim spinom, brzim topspinom, ravnim udarcima... itd. itd.
Najlakše je preporučiti nekom ako vidim kako igra, ovako je ipak malo teže... Zato sve moje recenzije imaju po segmentima ocjene... Tako da si svako može vidjeti u kojem segmentu je guma dobra, a u kojem loša. Ni jedna nije dobra u svemu.
@@DarioGrd rotacijski spin i brzi top spin koristim najviše. Igram blizu stola ili sasvim malo udaljeno. Volim tvrde gume sa ljepljivom površinom na forehand. Za backhand volim malo sa bounce( kao na primjer Tibhar MX-P)
@@vreth22 na temelju toga ti mogu preporučiti ono isto što i ja koristim i jako sam zadovoljan 🙂 Na FH DHS H3 Neo, a na BH Victas V > 22 Double Extra. Meni je ta kombinacija sa nekim malo bržim karbonskim drvom vrhunska.
@@DarioGrd hvala. Dobili ste novog pratioca. Gledao sam par videa...baš ste realni. Super ste. Posebno mi se svidio video kada upoređujete Viscaria sa Fan reket. Stvarno isto drvo.. I ja isto tako razmisljam kao sto si rekao...ako ti se toliko vise svida izgled ond kupi inace se ne isplati dato 50 eura vise. Znači 💯👌👌👌
@@vreth22 hvala ti 🙂
completely wrong on the free chack II. absolutely awful glue. It tacks up way too quickly, you can't even spread it on the bat properly before it starts balling up. And then it doesn't stick the rubbers at all. Every rubber I've glued with it comes off in days. I called the seller (Tees sport) to complain, and they agreed it's a bit rubbish (!). So why sell it????
I would disagree with you, and I think it is clear in the video how Free Chack Pro II behaves. You can see that it is easy to apply without any problems, and as for how firmly it holds, I used 500 ml of it and not a single rubber has ever come off even after a long time, let alone after a few days.
Maybe you got a version with which something was wrong, and maybe we're not talking about the same glue in general. Because I used Free Chack PRO II in the video, and if you used Free Chack II, it's a different glue.
Maybe there are inconsistent batches 😊
@@richyp7126 yes, anything is possible. but as you can see I had no problems with mine.