@@CaramelChristian True! She's tryna do the same in the west too but it will not last long enough for her to have a stable career. She'll slowly disappear.
Honestly as a super Lisa fan I have to agree with the ciritsim she's getting, if she wants to migrate into the west and if she really wants to make it then lip syncing should not be associated with her, I won't say she is or not because I genuinely don't know. But the fact that she has lip syncing attached to her name now it's really not good and she really doesn't help her own case, this should be her chance if she can't handle singing live I think maybe doing vocals that are within range you know, I'm really routing for her and I just hope things are better with her Victoria secret performance but idk man like I get why people are frustrated
@@FIERYSWEET let’s face it a lot of Kpop stans don’t know how to give genuine constructive criticism some people are just straight up mean most of the time hence why it gets lost with the hate, people just can’t be critical in a productive way and that’s the problem and then they blame it not getting through on Stan culture ( both can be true Stan culture is a massive problem I won’t even go there ) but also the internet is genuinely filled with hatful and miserable people who love taking that out on celebrities and Kpop idols and then slapping the word “criticism”on it
@im_a_messy_kid yea it is never more of constructive criticism when k-pop stans do it. however I agree with you too. Lisa really needs to improve and I hope she does it in the Victoria secret show.
@@WinningBlink I don’t think she will honestly speaking, like I think this is just the quality we will be getting, I do hope I am proven wrong, but after the Citizens festival I just think this is it, she can’t sing live and we can’t deny that anymore, and that won’t cut it in the west, like this is sloppy sorry to say, some of the advice even that she’s getting is to get a vocal coach unless she has one and singing is just not a fit.
I don’t think i have ever heard of Lisa’s live vocals before, can she even sing? I always saw her as a dancer. Can anyone recommend me a video of her vocals? Because if not, think her new songs after rockstar are totally out of her vocal range, and i do not think she can sing any of those songs live. Her genius interview where most artists sing their lyrics, she just read them, which came across like she knew she could not sing her own song live. Or not confident of singing it.
@@User-6661-o9y she is an okay vocalist thats why she focuses on her dance and whole performance more than singing she admitted before that she was thankful to teddy coz he gave her opportunity to sing more when she knows she cant sing really well (something like that i saw it on their vlog)
@@User-6661-o9y she sings normal but she doesn't have a unique sound like it is not special, her rap style is above average and her dance is gooooooood
Blackpink take one and half year breaks,if she really wanted to sing she should have taken vocal classes. All those breaks and not doing anything to improve
sometime artists should actually listen to the criticism, coz the lip sync, low energy dance, songs that are above her capacity and generic songs that are flopping... nthng is there to look.
@@lilbloomingdaisy9643what is wrong with any of that? thats still valid criticism and objectively true. she cant sing good enough for a song like new woman, hence why she doesn't sing live and TALKS in the genius interview. she needs more training, thats all. thats not crazy, thats criticism and true for anyone who doesn't deny reality. calling a performance low energy is the most tame criticism you can get, so what about any of this is crazy to you? 💀💀 im genuinely wondering.
@@lilbloomingdaisy9643 its the zero effort and not even trying to hide that she's lip syncing, n still not dancing for shit. lmao. being fans and defending laziness to the real crazy shit. that whole performance gave me 2nd hand embarrassment fr! all for entitlement and still bad perfomances
@@ajlee2168 n if she is not singing live the least she could do is dance good, but her lazy ass didn't do that either. there was nthng to look in the performance.
@@elen_kpop1 even after u n me, her collabs and her current teasers r so diverse and interesting. She has made the most progress in that field no doubt
hmm yes I would agree with you. Jennie has been constantly showing versatility with her songs. however, Lisa also has been trying to show some versatility with the shift of rockstar to new woman to moonlit floor. I am genuinely so proud of both of them for how far they came ❤❤❤
01. She's not gonna make it in the west! Sorry to break your bubble she's trying hard to get that "pop voice" but always fails! She can't sing live! And western ppl specially pop fans are not gonna give a chance to someone who can't sing live they're searching for natural pop stars not a dancer and performer who's trying hard to be a pop star!
As someone who lives in the west she already is. Billboard mentions her at least twice a month and she’s one of the most trending Asian artists here what r u talking about 😊
As someone who lives in the west she's not making it with this vocals. They clown her every performance. She better show something new w/ her Victoria Secret performance
Lisa's dancing and performing are as bad as her singing (she can't even sing, to be honest) just because she is being worship by her cultist Lillies stan, she think Western audiences are like her brainwashed Lillies stan who will love her terrible singing, dancing, and performing no matter what.
@Dalgomismine1 Sorry to brust your k pop bubble, but, Yeah, Lisa is trending here in the west, alright, all in the wrong way 😂... so stop being in denial and start living in reality. ❤
lisa needs to realise that the west doesn’t work like kpop if she wants to be a part of that industry, you can’t give lacklustre performances, rely on backup dancers to make you look good, do random poses to look pretty, walk around the stage, lip sync and sing like 4 words throughout the whole song and then expect to be praised
1. there are people who try new things and still do better , LISA is not doing so . we have right to call her out as fans . 2. LISA will need to sing better if she really want to go to west . she only screams some lyrics in tours too . her dancing impressed people because she was better than other girls in the group , so she stood out . but her solo stages are bland and boring compared to other soloists (from small agencies) who sing and dance at the same time .
@@RekhaSharma-hh1sv she's definitely trying new things Sing better? She just needs some vocal teacher for her to learn how to perform that is sing and dance at the same time for a long time
1/2: I have no issues with her trying out different genres of music, but even if we aren't surprised with her lip-syncing, she needs to stop it because right now, it causes more hate than hype or support. You can tell Lisa is done with pleasing or catering to the K-pop audience and wants to steer to the western side. But if she is doing this, THEN THE LIP-SYNCING NEEDS TO GOOOO. Right now, she is proving that she is untalented in singing.
Lisa is ditching the manufactured K-idol formula to follow the manufactured Western artist formula. Her music is generic, nothing new or different from what other Western artists are doing. I kinda understand why some people say she is a Western wannabe
Lisa's definitely talented dancer. Clean isolations, keen attention to detail, very graceful and great stage presence. However, I do think there's no greatness in anything that she has danced or performed so far.
Exactly people like exaggerate her talent ALOT. I know that Lisa is an amazing dancer, but she’s not best in her generation or of whole of Kpop. Blinks saying she gets the title of “best female dancer of Kpop” is a bit hypocritical when there’s other dancers like momo, seulgi, yooA, chungha around . And in no way does she deserve the “best dancer of Kpop” when there’s dancers like Taemin, jhope, Kai in the same industry as her. She is amazing, but the best or greatest? No.
I know ppl are gonna start mentioning her dancing and everything but honestly she absolutely CAN dance she’s just inconsistent for whatever her excuse is and since she’s doing her own thing she can’t pull that inconsistent dance behavior whenever she performs but it’s not an everytime thing so I have faith in her‼️ I can’t have my bias getting dragged some more, she’s already being dragged and her song isn’t even out yet 😭
1. Showing versatility doesn't equal to bad quality which is where she is going even if we leave the songs isn't she a dancer but even on stage we can't see anything new about her just CAUSE you're good as a group doesn't mean it's the same as a solo artist.
@@elesyeen idk about my understanding..but it was quite hard to understand your comment, but still i agree, lisa shined on stage way more in group performances
Actually in my opinion Rockstar was better than new woman because rockstar was much cooler and had a kpop vibe but new woman was ver western like and not really my type of music
The thing with Lisa is that after 8 years in the music industry she still doesn’t know what direction to take. Is not good to say “what do you want from her “ when she supposed to know already her style. If she wanted for a long time to be solo she should have her own personality musically. Her producers don’t know where to put her bc she is not a singer or a real rapper. She get away with a lot in Korea like pretending to rap or singing fast. That’s not going to cut it in US. In US ppl want to know if you are talented or not . Is risky for her to go around and say “I’m an kpop rapper “ bc ppl are going to laugh at her if they hear how she raps.
I mean.. thats a reason right why YG appointed her as main dancer and rap only. and she always got rap line in every BP songs. And I'm sorry, with all the money, wealth, fame that she got she surely can afford one great vocal coach, right. and dont forget more than 8 years experience as an idol and maybe 5 years as YG trainee.
Fans can critisize yg but thats the one and only reason why they are top gg. Yg song have a formula that the crowd vibe sings together, hence bigbang, psy, 2ne1, blackpink have that. BP music, popularity member popularity and after that starting as soloist. Criticism will always be there but its nice she trying different genre and playing with it till finds her color. The new song even if its nice the sample is so popular it dosen't give it a new song vibe unlike other 2. But keep going and explore
I think Lisa has not direction and maybe had lackluster stages but it is because she is looking for her own style in all senses: music, stages, style and even vocaly. So I do not take to hearth that she is all over the place but I surelly tought she will be smarter and more ready than she is showing. To be true, they selled themselves like the best girl group and always were compared with BTS so I was expecting a solo debut in pair with J-Hope or Jimin (both are amazing dancers but not so reliable for huge vocals live, J-Hope because he is a rapper and Jimin because he is not always consistent), I was not expecting her to be so lost in what she wanted to present musical and stage wise.
4: Yeah, it totally makes sense why idols keep their cosmetic work on the down-low. The industry is all about image, and the whole "natural beauty" thing is really pushed in K-pop. Fans want to believe their faves just *woke up* looking flawless, so admitting to getting work done might break that illusion. Plus, there's still some stigma around plastic surgery, even though it's super common in the entertainment world. Idols are under enough pressure as it is, and revealing they’ve had cosmetic enhancements could open them up to even more judgment. So, keeping it private seems like the logical move. At the end of the day, it’s their business, and if they don’t wanna talk about it, that’s fair.
I honestly have no problem with her music. In fact, i liked them all! New Woman on top ofc. BUT ITS THE PERFORMANCES MAN. Fine, she doesn't wanna dance & sing too much. Moonlit Floor is literally just her standing WITH A MIC. Just sing girl!😭😭 at this point, im embarrased... If she dont wanna sing, can we get some more showmanship?😔 be legit entertaining or do skits or just something more. She wanna break out of kpop but still followed it's standard, Lisa pls😭
I don't think it is right to compare Lisa to Beyonce, Harry or Camilla cause Insta followers does not make her the most successful solo act in the group especially when Jennie and Rosie are coming. We should wait how all solo stuff will do to make a conclusion. For example, fans thought that Zayn will be the most successful when left the group and released Pillowtalk, etc, but look what happened some years later. Harry totally overtook him
Zayn is and was pretty big, his first album mind of mine was a way bigger hit than Harry's first album and his songs like dusk till dawn, I don't wanna live forever, let me were all hits after hits. Harry styles second album is what blew him up followed by the success of As it was. While Harry styles is more commercially successful as of now, Zayn's music remains to be the most critically acclaimed one of the group.
@@stargazing2628 I am Zayn and Niall biased so I prefer Zayn's work ofc but I just say how the first to go on their own may not be the most successful at the end
@@musicinterest-dibbut it's not the end tho, and commercial success is also not the be all and end all success. Zayn is extremely successful, as is Harry styles. While Harry styles is more commercially successful, Zayn has more critical acclaim, that doesn't mean Zayn doesn't have commercial success or Harry doesn't have critical acclaim. Not to mention, it's not a competition, they're all very different artists with very different music. Zayn is more rnb pop while Harry is more mainstream pop, and the same goes for the other members of the group as well, they're all doing their own stuff. And I am not even a fan, of one direction of the members as soloists but I do check out their music.
Wasnt it a given that harry would overtake him? from what I remember, he was the most loved member with zayn second in popularity. And then of course I think he was more consistent in putting out music and good music at that.
1. yes i agree with you so much like bro rockstar got hate for being too YG formula but new woman was too experimental like what do you want her to do😭 2. yes as much as ppl dont want to admit it, her dance has been toned down A LOT. idk whether she was lip syncing or not cuz it seems that the fancams show it more clearer. but anyways it would help if lisa give more charisma and literally lower down that godforsaken backtrack like that was too loud
@FIERYSWEET hmm yes YG clearly never rlly showcased Lisa when it came to vocals so maybe she just needs to train more... she definitely has been trying to give us songs with more vocals being showcased too so she just rlly needs to practice a lot. whatever it is she needs to do I'm just happy she came this far and hope she continues to improve what she needs to improve on
I don't know but i am not really a fan of lisa new style vocal songs. Like she is not picking good songs . And tbh no matter how much people hate lalisa , money , rockstar. But these are really the songs that stands out her and live up to hype and energy she has. But new woman and moonlit floor are very bland songs. For me lisa is meant for hip hop rap style music . She ain't really meant for new woman and moonlit floor type music. Like they are good songs but not that crazy and or giving a wow moment to it.
@@ritisharma3024 hmm yea I would be lying if I said I prefer new woman or moonlit floor. they all are good but the hype with the other songs was just next level. i actually want a song that has the vibe of rockstar( aka hip hop like you said) and the uniqueness of new woman. that would be a great combo imo. props to Lisa for trying different styles tho!
@@ritisharma3024 I love how she has branched out because of stans like you who would later complain that my sweetheart doesn't have a wide discography. Like bruh she got new fans after those songs
3. and loook at BoA right now. she is unhappy and it shows on her face. she doesn't even smile the way she did on stage anymore. she used to be super passionate about being on stage and enjoyed doing, but not anymore. she had to devote ALL of her happiest and prime time to the idol industry. she isonly in her 30s and u can tell how tired she is already. this is going to happen to all the minors debuting today.
Here's the thing. If she wants to keep lip syncing that's fine because she has a dedicated fan base that will stay with her no matter what and will be satisfied with a concert without live singing. However, if she wants to generate new fans not everyone is going to be willing to pay for a performance where you don't sing. The problem becomes that vocal training takes time, and she may not be at a level that will satisfy new listeners right now.
3: Yeah, it's been a thing for ages in K-pop, debuting minors. It’s not exactly new, but it still feels off seeing idols that young in the industry. Like, we’ve all kind of accepted it because it’s just how things are done, but it doesn’t make it any less concerning. These kids are training for years, and then they’re thrown into this world of nonstop schedules, public scrutiny, and insane expectations. We know some idols who debuted as teenagers went on to have successful careers, but it makes you wonder how much of their childhood they sacrificed for it. There's always been this debate about how young is too young, but nothing really changes. The industry thrives on that fresh-faced energy, but at what cost, right? I just hope they’re getting the support they need behind the scenes because that level of pressure at such a young age can’t be easy to handle.
Lisa is just disappointing and shameless with lip syncing and skipping lines in international stages. She just proved her bashers are right that she is NOTHING with BP. She is really going down but at least she has a billionaire bf that will give her hard french kisses. So kiss me hahaha
I LOVEDD new woman. Hands down, her best solo song! And i completely agree about her performances. Its kinda baffling that she is the best performer in bp and this is what she gives.
Yess exactly that's my point too ...lisa needs to stick to one thing,, dance or live vocal btw i have been following her for a longtime and she can sing live well , there are so many times she proved it but old Times doesn't count anymore...she needa to push herself more in performance..her songs are good 👍...i Think it needs time ...she will grow and improve with time ...she is always been in group suddenly becoming solo and giving 100 percentage with no flaw it's not easy task
We can talk about underage idols all we want but honestly? It’s never going to happen because we keep tuning in, keep buying, and keep talking about it. If you actually want to stop it then you have to quit supporting these groups cold turkey repeatedly. And no one’s going to do that. As fans we’re also part of the “industry” that you’re always talking about in these videos.
And although the industry is well documented and exposed every other year parents continue to sign their kids into these contracts and drop them off at these agencies soooooo..... it won't stop.
lowkey felt the same abt birthday like it didnt really capture my attention the way say my name or hala hala did. idk i feel like ateez always have more things to show but then kinda stop in the middle for example not gviing yeo enough lines or always giving jongho high notes that could really damage his vocal cords. theyre a great group but fail to see their potential outside of what they are familiar with.
I always thought how fast idols heal after nose job. It usually take two months for the swelling to goes away completely. Maybe Korean medicine has something to do with it but it is a huge thing when doing a rhinoplasty
I'm not sure about the Korean plastic surgery, but in Brazil, there are specialized aesthetician that work with plastic surgeons on reducing the patient's swelling post-surgery. My mother is one of those aesthetician. She had an older patient who had pretty much a full-body plastic surgery and after 3 weeks when I saw her she had very minimal to no swelling. If korean cosmetic surgery world has anything similar, which I don't doubt considering idol plastic surgery culture, then a rhinoplasty is a walk in the park in terms of swelling.
Because they want instant money, because easy money in Kpop even though its very hard. Its their choices not the company. Their families want to be get out for poor environment.
You should definitely make a video about how baby monster fans are fed up with YG peak of laziness, announcing the baby full album because an American retail store did a better job of it than YG did
Idk why lisa isnt showcasing her rapping skills her new solos dosen't have strong raps and if she is really a best dancer in kpop acc to blinks then atleast should showcase her strong dancing skills lip syncing, eye roll being savage on stage wouldn't make her stand out at all i didn't expect much from jennie either but atleast she is showcasing her rapping skills properly
coz is the west they can diss you into retiring if you claim to be a rapper when you dont even write your own lyrics, remember iggy azalea her pop-rap didnt do well even if some of her songs became hits... some people already accusing lisa of blaccent on her previous rap verses its safe to just be a performer
Bro, Lisa, CAN'T rap for shhht.. 😂 western audience don't wanna see or hear a bunch of random BS words put in sentences that rhyme and NOT making one lick of sense.
Lisa didn’t write her own raps. Her and Jennie displayed clear ignorance on rap history and had difficulty naming their favorite rappers. I believe Lisa raps because she doesn’t want to sing. Lisa likes to dance to different genres and styles of music and performing, but she is not a rapper or singer. I don’t think Lisa even cares about the music. The truth is Lisa is the best dancer in black pink but not in kpop or the world. So when she comes to America or really the kpop industry, she doesn’t hold a flame to other female dancing and signing acts like Ciara, Normani, BOA, Kahi, Beyoncé, etc who are known for singing and dancing iconic choreographies and songs that have influenced their culture.
You also have to consider that if Lisa did market herself as a dancing rapper, her direct competition would be Meghan the Stallion, Latto, even Nicki Minaj. Meghan writes her own raps, prolific hiphop history and has amazing breath work. Meghan can dance rap with no backtrack and no backup dancers. So I think I was a strategic move that Lisa did not market herself as such.
The plastic surgery one is an ethical dilemma. For me, i don't appreciate it when celebs sell you a pipe dream of weight loss or flawless skin when they have gotten work done to achieve it. It's false advertising and it creates this unattainable goal for consumers. So I'm not saying that every celeb must disclose their plastic surgery but if they are selling products to the masses they should disclose that they have gotten work done.
I'm actually pretty excited because it's a full album with 12 songs that will be dropped in December so we could be expecting some Christmas tunes ❄️☃️😚
Now that they are solo, we tear them apart... it will happen to Jennie too, mark my words. I can already see the hate train for both Jennie and Rose. Jennie got so much hate for the latest PFW for a blonde wig and a "special" outfit... the second she starts to express herself, people just bark. And even if Rose co-wrote and co-produced the entire album, they will find something to hate her for... like maybe "too boring". Jisoo will be hated as an actress, people will comment "she can't act" and when she will release music, they will say "she is not shining", blabla. And God I wish they would give Lisa a break. She's doing her best. Her music is nice, her shows are wow, she's experimenting, she works a lot... Let's give her some time to improve and to get used to this new solo setup where she is the central point of attention for a longer period of time than in BP. I think it's time to accept that our girls will receive a lot of hate for nothing and the only thing we can do as fans is to keep supporting them. They are feeding us in a year more than YG did in 7 years... .
LMFAO. Ya'll live in a denial K-pop fantasy LA LA land. Here in the States, we don't like FAKE artists. Who can't sing, dance, or perform. Wake up and drink some cup of REALITY.
I have no proof, but there is no doubt that what you say will happen, although we know it but it is still difficult that truth that girls will always have to pass as if it were judgment for everything they want todo
Timestamps: 0:01 1. What do y'all want from LISA? 1:23 2. LISA doesn't wanna be an idol anymore. 4:06 3. Let's talk about "Seungjoo" from "Say My Name". 6:10 4. Idols keeping their cosmetic work under wraps is pretty much a no-brainer. 7:25 5. Let's review YUTA's solo debut "Off The Mask". 8:25 6. Let's review ATEEZ's japanese cb "Birthday".
idols have always had to get stuff done bc nowadays they look so similar that sometimes u cant always tell which member is which especially if they wear masks and hats at airports for example. but these days i dont really care for visuals of groups as well its not really a thing to have talent for same for it boy or girl.
People who yap that Lisa isn’t a kpop artist are the same ones mentioning her in kpop discussions. People who don’t like Lisa try to throw her out of kpop which she has basically done but then when she does and promotes in the west people get mad that she’s becoming to western. Like you kicked her out of kpop and now want to mention her??
Lip syincing ok that issue is going on only but more shocking is that her recent performances has been really boring. I mean like what happened to her ? She is not dancing good in it nor she is having any stage presence. These things missing in lisa is shocking. And i think she shouldn't have rushed her solo era that fast. She should have released one song and then gave a album and then after some time she should've performed. Cause its just feels so forced right now. Like i get it she is free from yg late releasing songs formula but it really looks like someone is forcing her to rush for performances and songs. She should take a little pause and see whats happening. Cause right now its just messy. She should have gone with jennie and rosè formula of releasing songs and all. That would have been much better for her.
TAYLOR SWIFT HAS AN AMAZING VOICE!!! SABRINA WAS NEVER SLAMMED FOR LIP SYNCING COS SHE SINGS LIVE!!! SABRINA'S COLAB WITH CHRISTINA AGUILERA PROVES IT!!! YOU SHOULD CHECK OT OUT!!! LISA WILL NOT MAKE IT HERE COS SHE CAN'T SING LIVE!!!
I agree with point no 1. Personally i despise Rockstar, but like New Woman. I think Rockstar is cheap product, and new woman has the growth, atleast a sincere attempt in art. I agree that her live performance are so far from what peoples expexted so far.
I could have sworn this was a hate video but yea I 100% agree, as a fan of her I never expected new woman and then kiss me something soft and cheery had me swinging my hair. Her 2024 career definitely was not my prediction. I thought stuff like LALISA would continue to follow but no she did something what she always did, then something new and finally a practical confirmation that she’s dating. ❤
Lisa needs to shake up the choreography. I was more interested in watching her backup dancers than her since they had the energy & power she lacked. Her songs are only being played by blinks and her solo fandom. She's not pulling in new fans, and non kpop fans certainly aren't intrigued by her. She's not the best singer, her rapping will immediately be compared to other female rappers in the west & that's not going to go in her favor at all. She needs to dance her butt off. If she's really a top tier dancer then people need to see it.
I don’t mind about ppl doing ps. What bothers me is the denying and pretending is not a problem in SK. SK is very hypocritical country, they make you to drink with your boss but if someone drinks in other settings is the end of the world. They go hard to punish ppl that use drugs but don’t attack their biggest drug of plastic surgery . They have a problem.
@@sanyk-t6c Yes, it is. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US is nowhere near South Korea when it comes to the scale of plastic surgery. Around 24% of Americans have had plastic surgery, while an estimated 1 in 3 people in SK have had it.
@@LiOH-H2SO4 в США родители делают операции по смене пола своим детям. Детям, которые полностью за себя не отвечают, которые зависят от мнения и желаний родителей. В Корее пластические операции делают совершеннолетним. Тем кто за себя отвечает. Это несравнимо.
IF LISA WANTS TO BE A DANCER SHE CAN DANCE FOR MANY PEOPLE!!! WE WILL NOT WATCH HER IF SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SINGING LIVE WHILE LIP SYNCING!!! EVERYONE YOU MENTIONED SINGS LIVE!! BEYONCE AND MADONNA SING LIVE AND RELY ON THEIR BACK UP DANCERS, THOU THEY DO DANCE SOME TOO.
I'm hoping that Ateez can either switch up their formula some because it's starting to sound the same. Birthday sounds like she's trying to be Work, but ends up sounding like a generalization of what they've put out before (of title tracks). Whatever's been released after Work's album till now, sounds similar. That underlying formula is still there and won't budge or barely at all. For example: Jongho is always gonna be pulling off a high note on the bridge or towards the end or something. And I think the reason for that would be because his voice obviously brings more power/elevation to a song, especially because of the voice that he has but I'd like to hear songs where different members vocals are the focus or shining more. Or having Jongho or other members try new things with their vocals. Maybe I'm not remembering if they done it, but regardless, I was hoping that by now, we would step into a new era. We but after work it feels like they went backwards. I feel like you could get more interesting tracks that way. I'm so sure they could pull something like this off because it's them. I've been rooting for them since those KQ Fellaz dance practice videos dropped, and I want them to continue to be one my top groups.
As much as i like Lisa and hold her in high regard as a dancer, I just don't like her music? Like it doesn't matter if its the same old YG stuff or new stuff, I still haven't listened to a song I like. The genre isn't for me but besides that, I find that the quality of the songs is really low. Especailly lyric-wise. But as a performer I expected her to do really well. So far from what I've seen, I think she can do even better bc she has done better. Shes a dancer, so she should especially strive for better choreographies.
I personally think you’re wrong about the plastic surgery point, the issue isn’t that idols are blamed for getting plastic surgery. It’s that they’ve built generations of standards that most people can’t achieve, have impressionable young audiences, and act as if they’re natural when they aren’t isn’t fair or right. Normal fans just want more honesty, which would also help lower Asias intense standards by relieving pressures to look perfect.
3. As a 14 year old turning 15. This fact is DISTURBING. I know VERY well that the music industry, especially the idol industry, has grown people stressed out. Seeing that someone who can be my classmate will get chewed up by this is honestly sad. Us teens are slowly realizing that the idol industry is a beast. So i wish her luck, but im a bit skeptical 😅
2. If u are gonna sing in a song then u should sing in perfomances too I wouldn't have cared if she only rapped in her songs but she sings too so she has to sing in her live perfomances too she needs to sing and give us better perfomances making music isn't the only thing out there
I feel like with celebrities and plastic surgery, we should atleast be informed that they’ve done it by trusted sources. We’re not asking for their medical history. We don’t want teenage girls and boys looking up at these unacheivable beauty standards.
In the past,lisa have a great image as a blackpink member. everyone see her as talented member in blackpink.When she try to become a western artist her image(talented member of blackpink)start broken.Because there's no agency (yg) to hide lisa weakness.Lisa is mid dancer,mid rapper and can't write rap,can't sing,her vocal is very very weak to become global artist and her visual is average.
I think lisa is going down. She is getting boring in her performances nothing new. She is just lipsyncing & skipping lines. Her dancing is just boring.
Lisa is not talented enough to go solo. Yeah she can rap and dance but she's focusing on singing mostly. I'm also suspecting that she thought she would be way more successful than what she is. Moonlit floor was terrible and embarrassing
@@madkmadk6809Bam's fandom isnt that strong outside Thailand and korea Meanwhile lisa is one of the most popular outside korea... koreans dont even like her being so popular....idk wht idiot expected her to sing in korean
Just wait for victoria secret she will deliver a banger🎉 and also when they return with Yg as Blackpink they will become more popular and rule the west.Mark my words
Someone uploaded Rockstar AI version....and I like it better than the original one like y'all sue me that sht was good! that actual rock edge is what Lisa is missing
i hope jennie and rose save themself from the lisa mess and unplanned sh1t that showed nothing but a diff type of melody , not forgetting the mess about the zionist french boy , its embarrassing .
@inioluwaoluwemimo7826 Lmao "hate". If I wanted to hate on Lisa, I would've said you're entirely wrong, and she's a talentless hack who wouldn't know art if it slapped her in the face. I said maybe she's more talented than half the industry. But it's still not a high bar.
I Love and respect LISA so much. ik i don't have any right to demand anything from her, but as a genuine lillie i wished for her first release ROCKSTAR to be FULL of amazing RAP and phenomenal DANCE. I was absolutely let down 😅 New Woman too , i was waiting and another mediocre, generic music, but still i streamed it to my best. Today's Release was so sweet but the RAP part made me feel like WAIT that rap... I've heard it before and the first person that came to my mind was DOJA CAT.😅 Lisa must be tired because her performances are Little Boring...just dazzling with Back-up dancers and Loudassss backtracks....lipsyncing !!! I'm so happy for her but i feel bored rn
I'm saying this as a BIG LISA SOLO STAN: I think she was so excited to show her new music that she forgot she has to performed it live. I think she wasn't prepared to comeback to the stages, specially as a soloist, that can overwhelmed and she didn't think about that. She has such pretty vocals but is afraid to sing live and that's not her fault, YG never helped her in that area, she was rapping for years so it's normal that her voice isn't used to sing that much. I don't think she can't sing, I think she's limiting herself, you can clearly see that she is trying, she worked with a vocal teacher and she wants to do it, but she rushed her comeback. I would rather prefer that she waits and practice her live performances so when she came back we have the whole combo. She is an amazing performer and you can clearly see that she loves the stage, she's trying new things and reinventing herself, I honestly believe she can do it if she stops limiting herself. Also, about the performances, I think is because she changed her choreographer to match the western style, but it would be amazing if she keeps working with someone like Kiel Tutin who knows her vibe and insert that kind of choreographies in her solo project because no one in the western does that and it would be very fresh to watch in a performance, she would kill that concept. I'm pretty sure she's going to improve her live singing, but I'm afraid we have to wait until her next comeback for that.
Everyone is different if a minor want's to debut then I don't see the problem when I was a younger I wanted to be a singer and I knew what that meant with getting hate,love,etc. My mom always encouraged me to do what I wanted no matter what age I was. These idols are in the new age people bring up something idols from a long time not realizing that it's a new time and sure there will be companies who exploit idols but its up to the parents to check out everything before signing a contract.
The point is children have no place in a potentially dangerous work environment. If it's really your dream, then you can debut when you're an adult and mature enough to make informed decisions. There have been situations in the past with child stars being forced into the entertainment industry and abused by both their parents and their agency. Children cannot protect themselves physically or legally, adults can. Why do you think the overwhelming majority of child stars grow up to be seriously mentally troubled? You're extremely ignorant if you think exploitation is a thing of the past because, in fact, it only gets worse with time. This is capitalism we're talking about-idols aren't people to their agencies, they're products. That goes for all companies, regardless of whether they explicitly and illegally mistreat their idols. You want a child in that situation?
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The fact that Lisa was not even trying to hide that she's lip syncing made her performance more awkward to watch..
@@Bloom_Jiya It's good cause I expect her to get the message and just get a Some voice training
I think it’s because she knows her fans are bots and sheep who’ll love anything she does so why put in effort
Well don’t watch it
@@CaramelChristian True! She's tryna do the same in the west too but it will not last long enough for her to have a stable career. She'll slowly disappear.
@@naegabyeonnhae Why do we even think she cares at all after bagging that billionaire's son??
Honestly as a super Lisa fan I have to agree with the ciritsim she's getting, if she wants to migrate into the west and if she really wants to make it then lip syncing should not be associated with her, I won't say she is or not because I genuinely don't know. But the fact that she has lip syncing attached to her name now it's really not good and she really doesn't help her own case, this should be her chance if she can't handle singing live I think maybe doing vocals that are within range you know, I'm really routing for her and I just hope things are better with her Victoria secret performance but idk man like I get why people are frustrated
@@im_a_messy_kid it's supposed to be constructive criticism not just criticism
@@FIERYSWEET let’s face it a lot of Kpop stans don’t know how to give genuine constructive criticism some people are just straight up mean most of the time hence why it gets lost with the hate, people just can’t be critical in a productive way and that’s the problem and then they blame it not getting through on Stan culture ( both can be true Stan culture is a massive problem I won’t even go there ) but also the internet is genuinely filled with hatful and miserable people who love taking that out on celebrities and Kpop idols and then slapping the word “criticism”on it
@im_a_messy_kid yea it is never more of constructive criticism when k-pop stans do it. however I agree with you too. Lisa really needs to improve and I hope she does it in the Victoria secret show.
@@WinningBlink I don’t think she will honestly speaking, like I think this is just the quality we will be getting, I do hope I am proven wrong, but after the Citizens festival I just think this is it, she can’t sing live and we can’t deny that anymore, and that won’t cut it in the west, like this is sloppy sorry to say, some of the advice even that she’s getting is to get a vocal coach unless she has one and singing is just not a fit.
@@im_a_messy_kid yea sadly I agree. we will see soon in the victoria secret show and let's just hope she improves
I don’t think i have ever heard of Lisa’s live vocals before, can she even sing? I always saw her as a dancer. Can anyone recommend me a video of her vocals?
Because if not, think her new songs after rockstar are totally out of her vocal range, and i do not think she can sing any of those songs live. Her genius interview where most artists sing their lyrics, she just read them, which came across like she knew she could not sing her own song live. Or not confident of singing it.
Correct, and i think people are mad about her not singing live.
Sure thing in jyp show the happiest girl
@@User-6661-o9y she is an okay vocalist thats why she focuses on her dance and whole performance more than singing she admitted before that she was thankful to teddy coz he gave her opportunity to sing more when she knows she cant sing really well (something like that i saw it on their vlog)
@@User-6661-o9y she sings normal but she doesn't have a unique sound like it is not special, her rap style is above average and her dance is gooooooood
Yes she can sing
2. Lisa needs to learn how to sing live if she wants to succeed in the West.
Yes
The west is gonna eat her lunch with the Kiss Me bc they know that song.The lip-syncing just insures that she'll flop here.
She also need to drop the "rapper" label if she can't freestyle.
@@thegriffin_8 really I don't think so
@@Nobody2060-lg2kl right
Blackpink take one and half year breaks,if she really wanted to sing she should have taken vocal classes. All those breaks and not doing anything to improve
sometime artists should actually listen to the criticism, coz the lip sync, low energy dance, songs that are above her capacity and generic songs that are flopping... nthng is there to look.
Criticizing her is one thing but for ""low energy"" dance, songs apparently "above her capacity" is crazy man
@@lilbloomingdaisy9643what is wrong with any of that? thats still valid criticism and objectively true. she cant sing good enough for a song like new woman, hence why she doesn't sing live and TALKS in the genius interview. she needs more training, thats all. thats not crazy, thats criticism and true for anyone who doesn't deny reality. calling a performance low energy is the most tame criticism you can get, so what about any of this is crazy to you? 💀💀 im genuinely wondering.
@@lilbloomingdaisy9643 its the zero effort and not even trying to hide that she's lip syncing, n still not dancing for shit. lmao. being fans and defending laziness to the real crazy shit. that whole performance gave me 2nd hand embarrassment fr! all for entitlement and still bad perfomances
@@ajlee2168 n if she is not singing live the least she could do is dance good, but her lazy ass didn't do that either. there was nthng to look in the performance.
Her songs are objectively not flopping tho
1. In my opinion, Jennie has shown much more versatility in her solo projects than lisa till now, hence i anticipate her comebacks the most.
Solo and you and me are really really catchy
Money is the only good song by Lisa
Yes, girly jennie has few songs and all of them are a world of distance, its so versatile
@@elen_kpop1 even after u n me, her collabs and her current teasers r so diverse and interesting. She has made the most progress in that field no doubt
im also excited with rose full length album
hmm yes I would agree with you. Jennie has been constantly showing versatility with her songs. however, Lisa also has been trying to show some versatility with the shift of rockstar to new woman to moonlit floor. I am genuinely so proud of both of them for how far they came ❤❤❤
Man i dont think she will last long in the west with her not singing 😅
01. She's not gonna make it in the west! Sorry to break your bubble she's trying hard to get that "pop voice" but always fails! She can't sing live! And western ppl specially pop fans are not gonna give a chance to someone who can't sing live they're searching for natural pop stars not a dancer and performer who's trying hard to be a pop star!
As someone who lives in the west she already is. Billboard mentions her at least twice a month and she’s one of the most trending Asian artists here what r u talking about 😊
But she’s making tho😂 is also rumored to be at Coachella next year
As someone who lives in the west she's not making it with this vocals. They clown her every performance. She better show something new w/ her Victoria Secret performance
Lisa's dancing and performing are as bad as her singing (she can't even sing, to be honest) just because she is being worship by her cultist Lillies stan, she think Western audiences are like her brainwashed Lillies stan who will love her terrible singing, dancing, and performing no matter what.
@Dalgomismine1 Sorry to brust your k pop bubble, but, Yeah, Lisa is trending here in the west, alright, all in the wrong way 😂... so stop being in denial and start living in reality. ❤
lisa needs to realise that the west doesn’t work like kpop if she wants to be a part of that industry, you can’t give lacklustre performances, rely on backup dancers to make you look good, do random poses to look pretty, walk around the stage, lip sync and sing like 4 words throughout the whole song and then expect to be praised
1. there are people who try new things and still do better , LISA is not doing so . we have right to call her out as fans .
2. LISA will need to sing better if she really want to go to west . she only screams some lyrics in tours too . her dancing impressed people because she was better than other girls in the group , so she stood out . but her solo stages are bland and boring compared to other soloists (from small agencies) who sing and dance at the same time .
There's difference between criticism and hate you guys literally bullie her
1- you are not even her fan
2- never understand why Stans act like west really care about vocals.
@user-cj5tm3te7c they cares soo much
@@RekhaSharma-hh1sv she's definitely trying new things
Sing better? She just needs some vocal teacher for her to learn how to perform that is sing and dance at the same time for a long time
@@user-cj5tm3te7c I'm a fan , I like money but their is no shame in calling her live performances out
1/2: I have no issues with her trying out different genres of music, but even if we aren't surprised with her lip-syncing, she needs to stop it because right now, it causes more hate than hype or support. You can tell Lisa is done with pleasing or catering to the K-pop audience and wants to steer to the western side. But if she is doing this, THEN THE LIP-SYNCING NEEDS TO GOOOO. Right now, she is proving that she is untalented in singing.
Lisa is ditching the manufactured K-idol formula to follow the manufactured Western artist formula. Her music is generic, nothing new or different from what other Western artists are doing. I kinda understand why some people say she is a Western wannabe
Ngl I don’t think Lisa is or was ever a great dancer. She was just better than the other bp members and fans hyped her up too much
That’s the thing with blinks🤷🏾 they will defend anything even if it’s trash
Exactly 😂😂
She's a perfect example of pretty privilege. Manufactured pretty privilege that is.
Lisa's definitely talented dancer. Clean isolations, keen attention to detail, very graceful and great stage presence.
However, I do think there's no greatness in anything that she has danced or performed so far.
Exactly people like exaggerate her talent ALOT. I know that Lisa is an amazing dancer, but she’s not best in her generation or of whole of Kpop. Blinks saying she gets the title of “best female dancer of Kpop” is a bit hypocritical when there’s other dancers like momo, seulgi, yooA, chungha around . And in no way does she deserve the “best dancer of Kpop” when there’s dancers like Taemin, jhope, Kai in the same industry as her. She is amazing, but the best or greatest? No.
Tbh I like Jennie most as a soloist. She brings so much more to the palate and versatile too. Let's hope she does well on her performances too
I think she will, have you seen her you and me performance on lee hyori´s show was full live and it has really good
@@LeonorIsabel yeah if she keeps up with her current pace I think she has a bright future as a soloist
🤣🤣🤣 sorry I just had to
Im not her fan but i agree too
I know ppl are gonna start mentioning her dancing and everything but honestly she absolutely CAN dance she’s just inconsistent for whatever her excuse is and since she’s doing her own thing she can’t pull that inconsistent dance behavior whenever she performs but it’s not an everytime thing so I have faith in her‼️ I can’t have my bias getting dragged some more, she’s already being dragged and her song isn’t even out yet 😭
1. Showing versatility doesn't equal to bad quality which is where she is going even if we leave the songs isn't she a dancer but even on stage we can't see anything new about her just CAUSE you're good as a group doesn't mean it's the same as a solo artist.
U could use up some punctuation ngl😱
@@Gojo-ki-poookie I’d use more punctuation, but I didn’t think your understanding could handle it anyway☺️🫶🏻
This pookie guy can't come up with any logical defense, only using ignorant attacks @elesyeen..
@@XG_Ah-Wo0-wOo-WoO pookie guy😂👌🏻
@@elesyeen idk about my understanding..but it was quite hard to understand your comment, but still i agree, lisa shined on stage way more in group performances
I love her rebrand and versatility. I love New woman but I don’t like her performances she can do better
Actually in my opinion Rockstar was better than new woman because rockstar was much cooler and had a kpop vibe but new woman was ver western like and not really my type of music
Same here
The thing with Lisa is that after 8 years in the music industry she still doesn’t know what direction to take. Is not good to say “what do you want from her “ when she supposed to know already her style. If she wanted for a long time to be solo she should have her own personality musically. Her producers don’t know where to put her bc she is not a singer or a real rapper. She get away with a lot in Korea like pretending to rap or singing fast. That’s not going to cut it in US. In US ppl want to know if you are talented or not . Is risky for her to go around and say “I’m an kpop rapper “ bc ppl are going to laugh at her if they hear how she raps.
I mean.. thats a reason right why YG appointed her as main dancer and rap only. and she always got rap line in every BP songs.
And I'm sorry, with all the money, wealth, fame that she got she surely can afford one great vocal coach, right.
and dont forget more than 8 years experience as an idol and maybe 5 years as YG trainee.
Fans can critisize yg but thats the one and only reason why they are top gg.
Yg song have a formula that the crowd vibe sings together, hence bigbang, psy, 2ne1, blackpink have that.
BP music, popularity member popularity and after that starting as soloist.
Criticism will always be there but its nice she trying different genre and playing with it till finds her color.
The new song even if its nice the sample is so popular it dosen't give it a new song vibe unlike other 2. But keep going and explore
I think Lisa has not direction and maybe had lackluster stages but it is because she is looking for her own style in all senses: music, stages, style and even vocaly. So I do not take to hearth that she is all over the place but I surelly tought she will be smarter and more ready than she is showing.
To be true, they selled themselves like the best girl group and always were compared with BTS so I was expecting a solo debut in pair with J-Hope or Jimin (both are amazing dancers but not so reliable for huge vocals live, J-Hope because he is a rapper and Jimin because he is not always consistent), I was not expecting her to be so lost in what she wanted to present musical and stage wise.
4: Yeah, it totally makes sense why idols keep their cosmetic work on the down-low. The industry is all about image, and the whole "natural beauty" thing is really pushed in K-pop. Fans want to believe their faves just *woke up* looking flawless, so admitting to getting work done might break that illusion. Plus, there's still some stigma around plastic surgery, even though it's super common in the entertainment world.
Idols are under enough pressure as it is, and revealing they’ve had cosmetic enhancements could open them up to even more judgment. So, keeping it private seems like the logical move. At the end of the day, it’s their business, and if they don’t wanna talk about it, that’s fair.
I honestly have no problem with her music. In fact, i liked them all! New Woman on top ofc. BUT ITS THE PERFORMANCES MAN. Fine, she doesn't wanna dance & sing too much.
Moonlit Floor is literally just her standing WITH A MIC. Just sing girl!😭😭 at this point, im embarrased...
If she dont wanna sing, can we get some more showmanship?😔 be legit entertaining or do skits or just something more. She wanna break out of kpop but still followed it's standard, Lisa pls😭
I agree so much. I think people's hate towards her songs is forced but her lipsyncing really has to go, global citizen was disappointing.
I don't think it is right to compare Lisa to Beyonce, Harry or Camilla cause Insta followers does not make her the most successful solo act in the group especially when Jennie and Rosie are coming. We should wait how all solo stuff will do to make a conclusion. For example, fans thought that Zayn will be the most successful when left the group and released Pillowtalk, etc, but look what happened some years later. Harry totally overtook him
Zayn is and was pretty big, his first album mind of mine was a way bigger hit than Harry's first album and his songs like dusk till dawn, I don't wanna live forever, let me were all hits after hits. Harry styles second album is what blew him up followed by the success of As it was. While Harry styles is more commercially successful as of now, Zayn's music remains to be the most critically acclaimed one of the group.
@@stargazing2628 I am Zayn and Niall biased so I prefer Zayn's work ofc but I just say how the first to go on their own may not be the most successful at the end
@@musicinterest-dibbut it's not the end tho, and commercial success is also not the be all and end all success. Zayn is extremely successful, as is Harry styles. While Harry styles is more commercially successful, Zayn has more critical acclaim, that doesn't mean Zayn doesn't have commercial success or Harry doesn't have critical acclaim. Not to mention, it's not a competition, they're all very different artists with very different music. Zayn is more rnb pop while Harry is more mainstream pop, and the same goes for the other members of the group as well, they're all doing their own stuff. And I am not even a fan, of one direction of the members as soloists but I do check out their music.
@@stargazing2628 yes
Wasnt it a given that harry would overtake him? from what I remember, he was the most loved member with zayn second in popularity. And then of course I think he was more consistent in putting out music and good music at that.
1. yes i agree with you so much like bro rockstar got hate for being too YG formula but new woman was too experimental like what do you want her to do😭
2. yes as much as ppl dont want to admit it, her dance has been toned down A LOT. idk whether she was lip syncing or not cuz it seems that the fancams show it more clearer. but anyways it would help if lisa give more charisma and literally lower down that godforsaken backtrack like that was too loud
@@WinningBlink she needs some vocal training like she should hire a good vocal teacher and learn how to sing or rap while performing
@FIERYSWEET hmm yes YG clearly never rlly showcased Lisa when it came to vocals so maybe she just needs to train more... she definitely has been trying to give us songs with more vocals being showcased too so she just rlly needs to practice a lot. whatever it is she needs to do I'm just happy she came this far and hope she continues to improve what she needs to improve on
I don't know but i am not really a fan of lisa new style vocal songs. Like she is not picking good songs . And tbh no matter how much people hate lalisa , money , rockstar. But these are really the songs that stands out her and live up to hype and energy she has. But new woman and moonlit floor are very bland songs. For me lisa is meant for hip hop rap style music . She ain't really meant for new woman and moonlit floor type music. Like they are good songs but not that crazy and or giving a wow moment to it.
@@ritisharma3024 hmm yea I would be lying if I said I prefer new woman or moonlit floor. they all are good but the hype with the other songs was just next level. i actually want a song that has the vibe of rockstar( aka hip hop like you said) and the uniqueness of new woman. that would be a great combo imo. props to Lisa for trying different styles tho!
@@ritisharma3024 I love how she has branched out because of stans like you who would later complain that my sweetheart doesn't have a wide discography. Like bruh she got new fans after those songs
3. and loook at BoA right now. she is unhappy and it shows on her face. she doesn't even smile the way she did on stage anymore. she used to be super passionate about being on stage and enjoyed doing, but not anymore. she had to devote ALL of her happiest and prime time to the idol industry. she isonly in her 30s and u can tell how tired she is already. this is going to happen to all the minors debuting today.
It’s sad because she’s been getting non stop hate since her debut, I just hope she finds her peace
Here's the thing. If she wants to keep lip syncing that's fine because she has a dedicated fan base that will stay with her no matter what and will be satisfied with a concert without live singing. However, if she wants to generate new fans not everyone is going to be willing to pay for a performance where you don't sing. The problem becomes that vocal training takes time, and she may not be at a level that will satisfy new listeners right now.
3: Yeah, it's been a thing for ages in K-pop, debuting minors. It’s not exactly new, but it still feels off seeing idols that young in the industry. Like, we’ve all kind of accepted it because it’s just how things are done, but it doesn’t make it any less concerning. These kids are training for years, and then they’re thrown into this world of nonstop schedules, public scrutiny, and insane expectations.
We know some idols who debuted as teenagers went on to have successful careers, but it makes you wonder how much of their childhood they sacrificed for it. There's always been this debate about how young is too young, but nothing really changes. The industry thrives on that fresh-faced energy, but at what cost, right? I just hope they’re getting the support they need behind the scenes because that level of pressure at such a young age can’t be easy to handle.
The point about western fans being less receptive to lip syncing is reeeeeal
The thing is she is not innovating anything either, she is doing something that has been done before generic Sabrina Carpenter
Lisa is just disappointing and shameless with lip syncing and skipping lines in international stages. She just proved her bashers are right that she is NOTHING with BP. She is really going down but at least she has a billionaire bf that will give her hard french kisses. So kiss me hahaha
😂😂 true
I LOVEDD new woman. Hands down, her best solo song! And i completely agree about her performances. Its kinda baffling that she is the best performer in bp and this is what she gives.
😂😂😂 lisa is just lucky
Yess exactly that's my point too ...lisa needs to stick to one thing,, dance or live vocal btw i have been following her for a longtime and she can sing live well , there are so many times she proved it but old Times doesn't count anymore...she needa to push herself more in performance..her songs are good 👍...i Think it needs time ...she will grow and improve with time ...she is always been in group suddenly becoming solo and giving 100 percentage with no flaw it's not easy task
We can talk about underage idols all we want but honestly? It’s never going to happen because we keep tuning in, keep buying, and keep talking about it. If you actually want to stop it then you have to quit supporting these groups cold turkey repeatedly. And no one’s going to do that. As fans we’re also part of the “industry” that you’re always talking about in these videos.
And although the industry is well documented and exposed every other year parents continue to sign their kids into these contracts and drop them off at these agencies soooooo..... it won't stop.
lowkey felt the same abt birthday like it didnt really capture my attention the way say my name or hala hala did. idk i feel like ateez always have more things to show but then kinda stop in the middle for example not gviing yeo enough lines or always giving jongho high notes that could really damage his vocal cords. theyre a great group but fail to see their potential outside of what they are familiar with.
I loved Yuta's Off the Mask but SM should promote it more...
I always thought how fast idols heal after nose job. It usually take two months for the swelling to goes away completely. Maybe Korean medicine has something to do with it but it is a huge thing when doing a rhinoplasty
I'm not sure about the Korean plastic surgery, but in Brazil, there are specialized aesthetician that work with plastic surgeons on reducing the patient's swelling post-surgery. My mother is one of those aesthetician. She had an older patient who had pretty much a full-body plastic surgery and after 3 weeks when I saw her she had very minimal to no swelling.
If korean cosmetic surgery world has anything similar, which I don't doubt considering idol plastic surgery culture, then a rhinoplasty is a walk in the park in terms of swelling.
Her nose pre-debut was really big so who can blame her
lisa should just dance who is still giving her a mic if she can't even rap
Because they want instant money, because easy money in Kpop even though its very hard. Its their choices not the company. Their families want to be get out for poor environment.
You should definitely make a video about how baby monster fans are fed up with YG peak of laziness, announcing the baby full album because an American retail store did a better job of it than YG did
Idk why lisa isnt showcasing her rapping skills her new solos dosen't have strong raps and if she is really a best dancer in kpop acc to blinks then atleast should showcase her strong dancing skills lip syncing, eye roll being savage on stage wouldn't make her stand out at all i didn't expect much from jennie either but atleast she is showcasing her rapping skills properly
coz is the west they can diss you into retiring if you claim to be a rapper when you dont even write your own lyrics, remember iggy azalea her pop-rap didnt do well even if some of her songs became hits... some people already accusing lisa of blaccent on her previous rap verses its safe to just be a performer
Bro, Lisa, CAN'T rap for shhht.. 😂 western audience don't wanna see or hear a bunch of random BS words put in sentences that rhyme and NOT making one lick of sense.
@@playamelodythateverybodyknows can't agree more though but after jennie i used to like her tone and flow but now it seems so bland
Lisa didn’t write her own raps. Her and Jennie displayed clear ignorance on rap history and had difficulty naming their favorite rappers. I believe Lisa raps because she doesn’t want to sing. Lisa likes to dance to different genres and styles of music and performing, but she is not a rapper or singer. I don’t think Lisa even cares about the music.
The truth is Lisa is the best dancer in black pink but not in kpop or the world. So when she comes to America or really the kpop industry, she doesn’t hold a flame to other female dancing and signing acts like Ciara, Normani, BOA, Kahi, Beyoncé, etc who are known for singing and dancing iconic choreographies and songs that have influenced their culture.
You also have to consider that if Lisa did market herself as a dancing rapper, her direct competition would be Meghan the Stallion, Latto, even Nicki Minaj. Meghan writes her own raps, prolific hiphop history and has amazing breath work. Meghan can dance rap with no backtrack and no backup dancers.
So I think I was a strategic move that Lisa did not market herself as such.
The plastic surgery one is an ethical dilemma. For me, i don't appreciate it when celebs sell you a pipe dream of weight loss or flawless skin when they have gotten work done to achieve it. It's false advertising and it creates this unattainable goal for consumers. So I'm not saying that every celeb must disclose their plastic surgery but if they are selling products to the masses they should disclose that they have gotten work done.
What do you think about Rosé's solo album announcement?
It will be a BANGER🎉
I'm actually pretty excited because it's a full album with 12 songs that will be dropped in December so we could be expecting some Christmas tunes ❄️☃️😚
Now that they are solo, we tear them apart... it will happen to Jennie too, mark my words. I can already see the hate train for both Jennie and Rose. Jennie got so much hate for the latest PFW for a blonde wig and a "special" outfit... the second she starts to express herself, people just bark. And even if Rose co-wrote and co-produced the entire album, they will find something to hate her for... like maybe "too boring". Jisoo will be hated as an actress, people will comment "she can't act" and when she will release music, they will say "she is not shining", blabla. And God I wish they would give Lisa a break. She's doing her best. Her music is nice, her shows are wow, she's experimenting, she works a lot... Let's give her some time to improve and to get used to this new solo setup where she is the central point of attention for a longer period of time than in BP.
I think it's time to accept that our girls will receive a lot of hate for nothing and the only thing we can do as fans is to keep supporting them. They are feeding us in a year more than YG did in 7 years...
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THANK YOU. the complains will never end when it comes to the girls of blackpink
LMFAO. Ya'll live in a denial K-pop fantasy LA LA land. Here in the States, we don't like FAKE artists. Who can't sing, dance, or perform. Wake up and drink some cup of REALITY.
I have no proof, but there is no doubt that what you say will happen, although we know it but it is still difficult that truth that girls will always have to pass as if it were judgment for everything they want todo
Trust me no other female kpop group or idol even has 1% of the expectations people have for these 4 girls
@@MCFCJake wdym?
Timestamps:
0:01 1. What do y'all want from LISA?
1:23 2. LISA doesn't wanna be an idol anymore.
4:06 3. Let's talk about "Seungjoo" from "Say My Name".
6:10 4. Idols keeping their cosmetic work under wraps is pretty much a no-brainer.
7:25 5. Let's review YUTA's solo debut "Off The Mask".
8:25 6. Let's review ATEEZ's japanese cb "Birthday".
idols have always had to get stuff done bc nowadays they look so similar that sometimes u cant always tell which member is which especially if they wear masks and hats at airports for example. but these days i dont really care for visuals of groups as well its not really a thing to have talent for same for it boy or girl.
People who yap that Lisa isn’t a kpop artist are the same ones mentioning her in kpop discussions. People who don’t like Lisa try to throw her out of kpop which she has basically done but then when she does and promotes in the west people get mad that she’s becoming to western. Like you kicked her out of kpop and now want to mention her??
Stop crying 😂
@@XG_Ah-Wo0-wOo-WoOnow ur coming after all my posts after you basically doxed ur self ok girl go home this ain’t it
@@Dalgomismine1just reminding you that there are more to life than living in denial in a k-pop la la land cult. I'm just helping you here. ❤
@@XG_Ah-Wo0-wOo-WoO by doxxing yourself. Yes very smart!
@@Dalgomismine1LMFAO whatever help you sleep at night. Glad I can help. 😂
Lip syincing ok that issue is going on only but more shocking is that her recent performances has been really boring. I mean like what happened to her ? She is not dancing good in it nor she is having any stage presence. These things missing in lisa is shocking. And i think she shouldn't have rushed her solo era that fast. She should have released one song and then gave a album and then after some time she should've performed. Cause its just feels so forced right now. Like i get it she is free from yg late releasing songs formula but it really looks like someone is forcing her to rush for performances and songs. She should take a little pause and see whats happening. Cause right now its just messy. She should have gone with jennie and rosè formula of releasing songs and all. That would have been much better for her.
Exactly!!!
TAYLOR SWIFT HAS AN AMAZING VOICE!!! SABRINA WAS NEVER SLAMMED FOR LIP SYNCING COS SHE SINGS LIVE!!! SABRINA'S COLAB WITH CHRISTINA AGUILERA PROVES IT!!! YOU SHOULD CHECK OT OUT!!! LISA WILL NOT MAKE IT HERE COS SHE CAN'T SING LIVE!!!
I agree with point no 1. Personally i despise Rockstar, but like New Woman. I think Rockstar is cheap product, and new woman has the growth, atleast a sincere attempt in art. I agree that her live performance are so far from what peoples expexted so far.
I could have sworn this was a hate video but yea I 100% agree, as a fan of her I never expected new woman and then kiss me something soft and cheery had me swinging my hair. Her 2024 career definitely was not my prediction. I thought stuff like LALISA would continue to follow but no she did something what she always did, then something new and finally a practical confirmation that she’s dating. ❤
she shines only in bp
This whole video you get whiplash from the narrator trashing and supporting her. Pick a narrative and stick to it.
I still think Yuta sounds like kpop but i love the track. Or like a kpop artist doing krock
Lisa needs to shake up the choreography. I was more interested in watching her backup dancers than her since they had the energy & power she lacked. Her songs are only being played by blinks and her solo fandom. She's not pulling in new fans, and non kpop fans certainly aren't intrigued by her. She's not the best singer, her rapping will immediately be compared to other female rappers in the west & that's not going to go in her favor at all. She needs to dance her butt off. If she's really a top tier dancer then people need to see it.
I don’t mind about ppl doing ps. What bothers me is the denying and pretending is not a problem in SK. SK is very hypocritical country, they make you to drink with your boss but if someone drinks in other settings is the end of the world. They go hard to punish ppl that use drugs but don’t attack their biggest drug of plastic surgery . They have a problem.
По сравнению с современными США, Корея не так уж и плоха.
@@sanyk-t6c Yes, it is. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US is nowhere near South Korea when it comes to the scale of plastic surgery. Around 24% of Americans have had plastic surgery, while an estimated 1 in 3 people in SK have had it.
@@LiOH-H2SO4 в США родители делают операции по смене пола своим детям. Детям, которые полностью за себя не отвечают, которые зависят от мнения и желаний родителей.
В Корее пластические операции делают совершеннолетним. Тем кто за себя отвечает.
Это несравнимо.
IF LISA WANTS TO BE A DANCER SHE CAN DANCE FOR MANY PEOPLE!!! WE WILL NOT WATCH HER IF SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SINGING LIVE WHILE LIP SYNCING!!! EVERYONE YOU MENTIONED SINGS LIVE!! BEYONCE AND MADONNA SING LIVE AND RELY ON THEIR BACK UP DANCERS, THOU THEY DO DANCE SOME TOO.
2-Not to mention, it feels like she’s spending less time in Korea nowadays.
I'm hoping that Ateez can either switch up their formula some because it's starting to sound the same. Birthday sounds like she's trying to be Work, but ends up sounding like a generalization of what they've put out before (of title tracks). Whatever's been released after Work's album till now, sounds similar. That underlying formula is still there and won't budge or barely at all. For example: Jongho is always gonna be pulling off a high note on the bridge or towards the end or something. And I think the reason for that would be because his voice obviously brings more power/elevation to a song, especially because of the voice that he has but I'd like to hear songs where different members vocals are the focus or shining more. Or having Jongho or other members try new things with their vocals. Maybe I'm not remembering if they done it, but regardless, I was hoping that by now, we would step into a new era. We but after work it feels like they went backwards. I feel like you could get more interesting tracks that way. I'm so sure they could pull something like this off because it's them. I've been rooting for them since those KQ Fellaz dance practice videos dropped, and I want them to continue to be one my top groups.
As much as i like Lisa and hold her in high regard as a dancer, I just don't like her music? Like it doesn't matter if its the same old YG stuff or new stuff, I still haven't listened to a song I like. The genre isn't for me but besides that, I find that the quality of the songs is really low. Especailly lyric-wise. But as a performer I expected her to do really well. So far from what I've seen, I think she can do even better bc she has done better. Shes a dancer, so she should especially strive for better choreographies.
Lisa can't sing. Her rap is average compared to any rapper in the west.
I personally think you’re wrong about the plastic surgery point, the issue isn’t that idols are blamed for getting plastic surgery. It’s that they’ve built generations of standards that most people can’t achieve, have impressionable young audiences, and act as if they’re natural when they aren’t isn’t fair or right. Normal fans just want more honesty, which would also help lower Asias intense standards by relieving pressures to look perfect.
Dis you see pre-debut pics ?
3. As a 14 year old turning 15. This fact is DISTURBING. I know VERY well that the music industry, especially the idol industry, has grown people stressed out. Seeing that someone who can be my classmate will get chewed up by this is honestly sad. Us teens are slowly realizing that the idol industry is a beast. So i wish her luck, but im a bit skeptical 😅
The other artiest was better in new women
2. If u are gonna sing in a song then u should sing in perfomances too I wouldn't have cared if she only rapped in her songs but she sings too so she has to sing in her live perfomances too she needs to sing and give us better perfomances making music isn't the only thing out there
I feel like with celebrities and plastic surgery,
we should atleast be informed that they’ve done it by trusted sources.
We’re not asking for their medical history.
We don’t want teenage girls and boys looking up at these unacheivable beauty standards.
I think she will sing live in the vs show she has to coz its a runway you cant do a full on dance perfomance there
In the past,lisa have a great image as a blackpink member. everyone see her as talented member in blackpink.When she try to become a western artist her image(talented member of blackpink)start broken.Because there's no agency (yg) to hide lisa weakness.Lisa is mid dancer,mid rapper and can't write rap,can't sing,her vocal is very very weak to become global artist and her visual is average.
Lisa is not able to sing live, so there is no Normani type performance in her future, and you should know that.
I think lisa is going down. She is getting boring in her performances nothing new. She is just lipsyncing & skipping lines. Her dancing is just boring.
If you ever find ur self useless, just remember that this channel ist made only for critics and u wont find something posite 😊
Lisa’s career is a mess, she is making millions sit there😂
What is ur opinion about Rosé first solo album rosie out on December 6th.?????
Rose will do so much better as she can sing live
@@tarotreading3008 yes
yuta's solo debut was everything i needed
Lisa is not talented enough to go solo. Yeah she can rap and dance but she's focusing on singing mostly. I'm also suspecting that she thought she would be way more successful than what she is. Moonlit floor was terrible and embarrassing
I CLICKED SO FAST BRO
2. Honestly, she is Thai, did people really believe that she was gonna stick singing in Korean even in her solo career?
I mean BamBam did still sing in korean even tho he's thai so I guess some people expected it
@@madkmadk6809Bam's fandom isnt that strong outside Thailand and korea
Meanwhile lisa is one of the most popular outside korea... koreans dont even like her being so popular....idk wht idiot expected her to sing in korean
Yet BLACKPINK is still the standard, lol
Just wait for victoria secret she will deliver a banger🎉 and also when they return with Yg as Blackpink they will become more popular and rule the west.Mark my words
Idk if Sabrina got slammed. She addressed the foolery in the petty cute way.
Yuta really did well❤
Review on KIOF pre-release track "R.E.M" & Lisa's song?
Sooooo good, our girls don't miss
An absolute SLAYYY😩🤌🏻
She needs to learn how to sing and rap
4:38 girl I agree!! 😭😭
Someone uploaded Rockstar AI version....and I like it better than the original one like y'all sue me that sht was good! that actual rock edge is what Lisa is missing
Her 'deliberate move' can still be BS.
Preach on 1-3!
The Attractiveness of Imperfection
i hope jennie and rose save themself from the lisa mess and unplanned sh1t that showed nothing but a diff type of melody , not forgetting the mess about the zionist french boy , its embarrassing .
Yes I think rosé and Jennie will become hit in the west ..
All four of them will rule west🎉
@@nishathaprosa7151 four like Jisoo really 😂😂
@@nishathaprosa7151 isn't that too much live in reality not in dreams 😮💨
No one in Kpop I saw another BTS. BTS FOR ME IS THE ONLY KPOP GROUP I WILL SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUE IDOLS AND ARRISTS...
Lisa will be fine don't worry about her in the west cause she still more talented
More talented than who though?
@@LiOH-H2SO4 than half the people in the industry
@inioluwaoluwemimo7826 Eh, maybe. That's not a high bar to pass, though.
@@LiOH-H2SO4 just leave my girl alone cause all your hate keep pushing her to the top
@inioluwaoluwemimo7826 Lmao "hate". If I wanted to hate on Lisa, I would've said you're entirely wrong, and she's a talentless hack who wouldn't know art if it slapped her in the face. I said maybe she's more talented than half the industry. But it's still not a high bar.
I think ur only worth 2 cent, not $3
I Love and respect LISA so much. ik i don't have any right to demand anything from her, but as a genuine lillie i wished for her first release ROCKSTAR to be FULL of amazing RAP and phenomenal DANCE.
I was absolutely let down 😅
New Woman too , i was waiting and another mediocre, generic music, but still i streamed it to my best.
Today's Release was so sweet but the RAP part made me feel like WAIT that rap... I've heard it before and the first person that came to my mind was DOJA CAT.😅
Lisa must be tired because her performances are Little Boring...just dazzling with Back-up dancers and Loudassss backtracks....lipsyncing !!!
I'm so happy for her but i feel bored rn
5 Yuta ate💚
I'm saying this as a BIG LISA SOLO STAN: I think she was so excited to show her new music that she forgot she has to performed it live. I think she wasn't prepared to comeback to the stages, specially as a soloist, that can overwhelmed and she didn't think about that. She has such pretty vocals but is afraid to sing live and that's not her fault, YG never helped her in that area, she was rapping for years so it's normal that her voice isn't used to sing that much. I don't think she can't sing, I think she's limiting herself, you can clearly see that she is trying, she worked with a vocal teacher and she wants to do it, but she rushed her comeback. I would rather prefer that she waits and practice her live performances so when she came back we have the whole combo. She is an amazing performer and you can clearly see that she loves the stage, she's trying new things and reinventing herself, I honestly believe she can do it if she stops limiting herself. Also, about the performances, I think is because she changed her choreographer to match the western style, but it would be amazing if she keeps working with someone like Kiel Tutin who knows her vibe and insert that kind of choreographies in her solo project because no one in the western does that and it would be very fresh to watch in a performance, she would kill that concept. I'm pretty sure she's going to improve her live singing, but I'm afraid we have to wait until her next comeback for that.
I think you are judging others too early . Wait for Jennie and Rosé comeback and then talk.
BLINKs will worship their trash idols no matter how TRASHY they are. It's a CULT.
I know blinks gonna come for me ... But hear me out ok blackpink is overrated specially Lisa!!!
Everyone is different if a minor want's to debut then I don't see the problem when I was a younger I wanted to be a singer and I knew what that meant with getting hate,love,etc. My mom always encouraged me to do what I wanted no matter what age I was. These idols are in the new age people bring up something idols from a long time not realizing that it's a new time and sure there will be companies who exploit idols but its up to the parents to check out everything before signing a contract.
The point is children have no place in a potentially dangerous work environment. If it's really your dream, then you can debut when you're an adult and mature enough to make informed decisions. There have been situations in the past with child stars being forced into the entertainment industry and abused by both their parents and their agency. Children cannot protect themselves physically or legally, adults can. Why do you think the overwhelming majority of child stars grow up to be seriously mentally troubled? You're extremely ignorant if you think exploitation is a thing of the past because, in fact, it only gets worse with time. This is capitalism we're talking about-idols aren't people to their agencies, they're products. That goes for all companies, regardless of whether they explicitly and illegally mistreat their idols. You want a child in that situation?
Stay triggered haters